I Put ELDEN RING DLC Bosses In A Tier List!
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Senessax getting an F could be the most deserved F in the history of tierlists. Prod a true one for this.
By the time I got to Bayle I was already fed up with Sax the Third. I was like stfu Igon, just help me kill this thing 🤬😂😅
Senessax literally just lansseax
I cheesed his ass and felt 0 regret, just kept sniping him with radahns bow and moving backwards until he'd reset. then shoot him some more. I hate those fucking dragons and I was NOT gonna fight one in water.
I’m glad everyone else hated him too. Makes me understand I wasn’t just bad or stupid for dying 10 times to him when it should have been 0
I died more to Senessax than to Bayle, I had to lower all of my settings to the lowest possible because I randomly crashed on probably like my 15th attempt.
Little correction on Messmer. He did not betray anyone, Marika ordered him to annihalate the Hornedpeople. That was part of Marikas revenge for them putting her people into the jars.
Yes you can also tell because the only place Messmer didn't burn down was her village
Which was rightfully deserved. The Hornsent didn't just stuff the Miko into jars, they repeatedly tortured, implied SA'd, brutalized, and genocided all of them, on top of inventing the Greatsword of Damnation solely to derive pain from innocents, such as Midra's people. They were downright evil.
little correction, shut up nerd.
@@mistermaxie6487 where do they imply SA?
@@sortasour2964Yes, I second this notion XD
You killed the GOAT Sir Ansbach?! CURSE YOU PROD!!!
I HEREBY VOW YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY
@@Bunkle_Gael BEHOLD, A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR, AND I, IGON
i also sided with Leda all the way on my first playthrough
@@Pps985 YOUR FEARS MADE FLESH! SOLID SOULSTUBER YOU MIGHT BE, FOUL TARNISHED...
Ansbach was basically my fav npc.
Senessax might be the worst boss in the entirety of Elden Ring. I cheesed him on horseback with nothing but rot, poison and bleed arrows. And I do not feel bad at all. He deserves it
It was the most boring fight for me, just run underneath him with torrent hit him once or twice, run past turn rinse and repeat.
The second I saw him, I rode past him on torrent. I tried fighting him once just to do it, and I immediately knew I was gonna despise it.
It was unironically the easiest in the DLC for me. Since we fight how many of the exact sort of ancient dragon in the base game..6 or something? Except his gimmick was “oh he’s in water so watch out when the lightning hits the water”. Forti imo is the worst dragon due to how fast death blight can go. Plus his auto tracking lightning bolts.
u can also use bow cheese and just cheese it out side the arena, it will come towards you and you just kite it until it despawn, repeat.
I didnt even fight, just ran past him
My top 3 are Midra, Bayle (CURSE HIM!) and Messmer.
Beyond the Top 3 it gets a bit more difficult to place them.
CURSE YOU BAYLEEEEE!
I absolutely agree. Although I think number 4 has to be the lion without any doubt.
The only ones that truly matter
Death Knights were not bad. Lion was a little over the top with the multiple elements but felt ok. Rellana grew on me a lot, but loses points just because she's not as cool as pontif despite swiping anims. Putrescent feels weird in some good ways but definitely feels repurposed/changed. The bosses you listed are my favorites too. Everything else was mid or worse.
@@mt2r-music I totally agree BAYLE should be CURSED.
Did Prod just completely miss all of Ansbach’s dialogue and questline? He’s easily my favorite NPC along with Igon. Such an awesome and honorable dude.
yeah I think he sided with Leda and merc'ed him.
What do you expect from a simp
He wanted to side with Ansbach at first but decided to just go with it because he killed Hornsent previously and would go for a "good ending" in the next run
@@ayyvian5488 Ah! Gotcha
about Scadutree, it's always 3 hp bars, doing a critical at the end of one hp bar only reduces the amount of health the next phase has
Definitely a missed opportunity considering all the similarities to not have Gaius yell “MY NAME… IS COMMANDER GAIUS, AND AS I LIVE AND BREATHE, YOU WILL NOT CROSS THIS FIELD” 😂😂
Gyoubu masataka oniwa my beloved
Except Gyoubu was better designed
@@SubiKinubi what’s funny is that in my playthrough I deflected the bastard just like poor gyoubu. That deflecting tear is the best thing they could’ve added
@@SubiKinubi technically it’s more the boss is better designed for sekiro parries, cuz if you add the tear that gives you sekiro parries then he’s a joke 😂
He really did not want you finding his pants and looting those scadutree fragments.
Romina is a bummer because she has amazing design all around, theme, moveset, and overall difficulty, but so much holds her back. Even though she’s a required boss, she has no cutscene. Her health is way too low and her attacks are not scary enough to justify her being that important to the DLC. If she had a cutscene and some buffs (bigger hitboxes on spells, higher health, scarlet rot buildup on hits in phase 2) she would be an easy S tier.
Personally i think both her and rellana should have got cutscenes
Dragonslayer armor kinda required boss
I looked back in the story trailer and she was in it while there's stuff buring around. Her Remembrance says something about a church that was burned or something and so on
In terms of difficulty, I think she is fine as is. Although I do wish we got a small cutscene of her like we did with Quelaag back in DS1.
I think the biggest issue with her when I fought her was that she really struggles to hit you when you get up in her face and you can kinda just spam jump attacks or something and nuke her health.
I think people who spoil stuff deserves to be permabanned from everything, whoever does that just to ruin an experience for someone are the worst kind of people. Sorry you got spoiled prod but at least the final boss is still epic nonetheless
Thing is, some people bear no will, and genuinely just lack any kind of self-awareness.
@@Iseenotix unfortunately true, that or they simply just don’t care enough to respect the opinions or wishes of others. Bonus of not being a content creator is I don’t ever have to worry about that but feels bad for everyone that is
1000% holy shit lol
Apparently, 'scadu' is pronounced 'shadow'. It's just the old spelling for the word, like how 'gaol' is 'jail'.
Schadu actually, but it means shadow. So you were more correct than most people, I still call it them scadoosh fragments though haha
I think everyone knows this by now, we choose to call it a Scadu-tree 😂
@@rileynethercott2577I call em skadookie fragments
Nobody cares Skadoo is way more fun
Scadussy is superior
The skibiditree fragments
Get back to nursery kid.
Nah 😭
NO WAY YOU CALLED SIR ANSBACH A NOBODY
Nono, he killed Ansbach, which replaces his summon sign in the gank fight with some random sanguine noble dude. I think he was referring to that guy
@zhormanganner5531 why did he kill Ansbach 😭
@@peperlake9502 He sided with Leda in her invasions.
Bro you can't imagine how happy I was seeing Ansbach having my name and being such a good NPC
Sanguine Noble Nataan is a nobody you can summon if Sir Ansbach is... unavailable 😁
I did that on my second playthrough of the dlc for Leda's talismans and Ansbach's bow, which I missed on my first run, so it had to be done, for cosplay 🥸
Romina being forgotten is literally perfect. I don’t know how she’s one of three required bosses in this game when she has like 0 buildup, no cutscenes, nothing. I killed her first try and forgot about the fight after not even 2 minutes
She has a bit of buildup through the rot area with the pests right before you get to her but it's not enough to make her memorable. And yeah, she's pretty easy both in terms of moveset and in terms of stats. I went there pretty early on my dex/faith build because I was rushing to get Leda's sword and even at low scadu level she wasn't difficult. Awesome design though and fun fight nonetheless.
She has a lot of bad hitbox issues. She is not perfect.
she was in the trailer, for like 2 seconds, I like her though
@@Eo-ms3kw I think she was the third boss I killed. I liked the ruins area so I just kept going. I didn't realize she was required until much later. I like her a lot though. The visuals of some of her attacks are a breath of fresh air. She's got cool remembrance rewards too. If only they didn't suck cheese bait.
I think the fight is really fun though
I wonder if Prod noticed that the two missing heads of Placidusax are tangled in Bayle’s neck.
Placidusax is missing 3 heads, but only 2 are on Bayle.
@@noah9942. Isn't the third one on Farum Azula? the Godskin room?
@@ereoleonBro that one is gigantic
@@carlosgonzalezfernandez3806 it’s the only head that actually matches Placidusax’s head, and besides, it’s likely that the head just got left at the site or battle.
There's only four heads, two are missing lol
The new dungeons are on another level compared to the base game
They really need to patch the random loot to higher level stuff. Stupid to give low level stones and stuff like that which can be bell bearing purchased.
the problem is there’s nothing they can give you at that point, you can buy any upgrade material except the max ones and the weapons and gear are too few and far between to make all the loot interesting. I think they needed to add a lot more key times, progression items like the blessings, and maybe even some currencies you can trade to make the exploration feel more rewarding. As it is it’s like 90% of the loot is worthless and it takes a lot of the motivation out of exploring.
@@darrenfleming7901I honestly wouldn't have minded if they added bloat weapons. Like a sleep perfume bottle or maybe a sleep greathammer. Or like just extra stuff that's reskinned but with a quick twist or two and a stat change. All sleep sorceries. Would make more sense as Incants but ya know 28 Incants vs 14 sorceries.
i found that it is fine. I still enjoy exploring, it is more about the adventure than loot. Oh kinda annoy about the amount of cook books though, maybe because they are actually useless for me because I never craft.
The Scadutree Avatar only respawns 2 times, the riposte is for extra headstart damage the next phase.
I found the sunflower boss to be hilarious with the way he kept coming back. I didn't have any issue with damage on him, I wasn't doing reduced damage against his body but I did noticed he received a lot more damage on his head, although he was one of the last bosses I fought before the final so I was at Scadu level 17
it was fun to have a boss that feels like you’re at an advantage using ranged spells since so many bosses feel like they invalidate that playstyle.
@@spydorz2084 also, the boss being a flower, like all the other similar bosses, takes insane amount of damage from fire attacks
@@Vengeance_Imyupp, used the blasphemous blade after dying a couple of times and it worked
@@darrenfleming7901 ranged spells don't need to be cast miles away to be good, just casting them while out spacing a boss a couple meters is enough.
@@Ghorda9 yes but a lot of them just dodge everything even if you cast close to them. I’m not complaining about mage builds having it hard there’s plenty of spells that work well against bosses but typically it’s things like adula’s moonblade and not ranged spells, the sunflower is one of the few bosses that felt way more fun to fight with ranged spells than melee because it has long ranged attacks and you have long ranged attacks which makes for an engaging fight.
IMO, Radahn would be so much better/fun if they either:
A. Brought his aggression down just a hair, to allow for more healing and learning time (i.e. Malenia)
B. Reduced his damage and increased his HP (again, to allow for a little more learning time while maintaining the difficulty of the fight)
He was not fun to fight or learn cause it was very hard to get any momentum with him. You start to get in the flow and then die with 9 heals cause he's just so damn aggressive that you never get a turn if he strings his combos together. Flawless phase 1 into barely getting to play phase 2 really tires you out. Especially if you have limited freetime, the constant resets really contributed to the "I'm glad it's over" feeling.
Doing him with the colossal greatsword was probably one of the worst experiences I've had in one of these games, legit ranks up there with bed of chaos. His attack strings in phase 2 have so little downtime between them that I was only able to hit him once every like 1-2 minutes, and the sword recovery animations are so slow that I'd more often still get hit before I could do anything.
Same I switched from colossal swords to dual great katanas though and almost have beaten him after about 5 hours
I got so tired after getting barely any attack opportunities I pulled the great shield poke
You got Messmer all wrong man, he's actually a really tragic figure and overall good guy. Sure, he leads the extermination of the hornsent because of his absolute loyalty to Marika, but outside of that he's actually trying to save the shamans turned into pot, and his followers deeply admire him. Not only that, but before being confined to the Land of Shadow, he was sort of idolized by Radahn and probably Melina.
there are no "good guys" in elden ring, full stop
@@yujin_sumeragi well that's just totally wrong. I can give you at least 5 examples of good guys off the top of my head.
@@kenpachi1989 which means you're missing the point
@@yujin_sumeragi not really, no. Just to name a few, Corhyn, Alexander, Hewg, Roderika, Nepheli Loux, Kenneth Haight, Albus, Latenna, Melina... Tell me for each of these character one evil thing they've done. I'll be waiting.
@@kenpachi1989 first off, one does not have to be evil to not be good. Calling everyone who's not demonstrably evil "good guys" is a massive stretch, but sure, I'll tell you some bad things about them:
- Corhyn is a golden order fanatic, who in his zealotry goes mad and attacks you at the end of his questline. He also contemplates killing Goldmask for heresy 2/3 of the way through his quest.
- Alexander goes around stuffing dead bodies into himself to be better at fighting for the sake of fighting, for no other reason than pride.
- The "Great" Kenneth Haight is a pompous prick, who's only good quality is that he's not under any delusions to try abusing his station.
- Roderika caused the deaths of all her companions, because of her cowardice.
- Nepheli is not bad knowingly, but she was mostly going around killing stuff for Gideon, before potentially being roped into questionable rulership by Kenneth.
- Melina, Hewg, Albus and Latenna barely do anything at all, so while they didn't do anything bad per se, they haven't really done anything good either, so I'd say they're decidedly neutral.
P.S.: Something tells me you're american, correct me if I'm wrong. 😁
Even though Messmer's Spear wasn't very strong, I still found it to be one of the coolest weapons in the game. Strong attacks throw the spear and it explodes and that freaking weapon art man... It makes me feel things. So sexy
Spear weapon art is super powerful if you can get the whole combo
Agreed! 😂
I love the spear it's just infortunate that it doesn't have a regular heavy. The way I would've done it is that one handed heavies throw it and two handed heavies are either a stab or a sweep like with the partisan. this would make it similar to Ornsteins spear from Dark souls, where one handed heavies shoot out a lighting bolt. currently it feels very weird to handle since your used to heavies
It's good, just not the best. Also, it seems like some weapons are meant for traversing the world, and not boss fights. Lame that Messmer's spear is in that category.
Personally, I would've preferred Super-jacked/angry radahn where he just starts flailing earth magic at you, instead he gets calmed by miquella and we get this nigh-anime level of light-beams going everywhere, i would've perferred to have killed miquella as his own boss battle after radahn, maybe even a 3 phase endavour like frieda.
So many people in this comment section complaining about Radahn, meanwhile this guy is asking for an even harder fight, absolute beast.
This would have been a far better endboss for the dlc imho.
Miquella is not a fighter. There is no way to have a miquella boss fight that is just him make any sense at all. His entire character is that he is weak, but can manipulate people. He doesn’t fight. That’s why he had malenia. You know, the BLADE of miquella?
I think if you were to have a third phase with just Miquella it would need to be specifically a story bit. A play on the Gwyndolin hallway where you go after Miquella while he spouts lore and one you finally get to him you 1 shot him. Showing that throughout his attempts at godhood, he was still the fragile child he tried to remove from himself... or you could try to make it like Frieda.
@@thegodofsoapkekcario1970 you don't understand, a harder fight is fine, a fight like radahn 2nd phase is not.
Firstly, yeah I agree with most of what you said. My only "complaint" is that we got nothing for Godwyn or any death related items or spells (except for one cool armor set). Ever since I started playing the base game, I wanted to meet/fight Godwyn. And although I am happy with Radahn, I wish either Godwyn was revived, or I could become Miquella's consort myself (what we have now makes much more lore sense though). As for the fight itself, overall I liked it. But I also think this boss is the most difficult boss they have made because they have full damage multi-hit long range combos, with only a small opening for us to attack - even with spirit ashes and NPC summon help, because most of his attacks hit everywhere around him. But I am overall happy because every other major and minor boss did not give me too much trouble. And this is probably because I use all my available tools - buffs, debuffs, spirit ashes, NPC summons, status effects, consumables, etc. I also loved exploring because the DLC map reminded me a lot of Dark Souls 1's amazing level design, but just scaled up. This also meant that I usually had enough Blessings for myself and my Spirit ashes for bosses. (and apparently way too many people hate exploring, using spirit ashes, consumables, and buffs, so no wonder so many people are getting angry)
For anyone, struggling with the final boss - Lord's Divine Fortification if you are a faith build, or Holyproof Dried/Pickled Liver and you can face tank all the second phase light attacks. Also, having a shield with barricade shield helps a lot. Power of God and Gravity ain't got nothing on a piece of meat and a big plank of wood 😂
I still spent longer trying to acquire Tiche with a mage build than on any boss in the game besides Radahn, and Tiche still came close. 42 attempts at Radahn, and 36 getting Tiche.
We did meet Goldwyn tho that man is DEAD
Right?! I really thought we would see so much more of Godwyn. I really liked his undead face popping up in the 2 catacombs but I was really looking forward to some great revelation regarding his story.
What he mentioned about Messmer is completely wrong no? He was ordered to cleanse the Shadow Lands from the Hornsent by Marika herself, which he faithfully carried out. He even seems loyal to her desires up until he gets fed up with the Tarnished and shatters the seal of Gold that Marika gave him to embrace the abyssal serpent. Even though Marika awarded his successful efforts in his name by banishing him alongside that realm.
Me and my husband suffering the Devine beast at level 80 with no Scadu blessings.... please don't make our mistakes.
Just… why??
@@tehCostHD we "didn't want to make the DLC too easy on accident" like what happened in the base game.
@@kandihustty5610 respect 💪🏻 I wish you all the best in this insane DLC. You got this
Pretty much exactly the same I'd do as a dlc boss teirlist, with the sole exception of knocking Radahn & Miquella down to C. Pretty major, I know, but it mainly has to do with my own experience fighting that boss & some external factors.
-I had a controller wander develop & become known mid-fight on my 5th attempt, which made it harder to fight with any sort of precision starting out. General over-use I think, but I wasn't just going to go buy another one just to beat Radahn.
-Due to semi-recent nerve damage issues my brain to body reaction time is not the best anymore. There's really nothing I can do about it...and this boss definitely stripped past my impaired limits.
-Even though phase 1 is not all that bad, it was mainly having the reaction time to rolling the pull & the other roll catchy attacks I had trouble with, Phase 2 was nigh impossible for me. I did have a few runs where I go so close to downing the boss I could taste it, but that means little when they counted like 5 attempts & I had done 275 in total over 3 days before I gave up & changed my build to poke with a blood antspur behind Moore's shield +9.
By the time I beat it, it's as you've said you heard, there was literally no satisfaction in the doing for me. My original build was a primary faith/vigor build, so the problem wasn't not enough health or using weak elements (I anticipated him being resist to holy, so I was using lightning mostly but changed to bloodflame blade later on in the 275), and although I was learning his mechanics & combos pretty early, that reaction problem is what I surmise had me so...staggered...fighting him, not a lack of knowledge or practice.
bayle is now definitly my favorite boss in all of elden ring.
CURSE YOU BAYLEEE!!!
My top 3 S tier bosses are: Bayle, Messmer and Divine Beast.
F: Hippo
SF: Gaius
Yeah Gaius was the worst IMHO, hippo 2nd worst
@@kevinholt8298 totally, i freaking hate gaius
Can't believe he called Ansbach a nobody
FR IM LIKE HUH??
he killed Ansbach, so he was only able to summon that weird Sanguine Noble guy
@@sortasour2964I feel even more vindicated for leaving a dislike
Ansbach and Thiollier were true gangsters
He didn't call Ansbach a nobody, he said a summon sign was left of a nobody basically a rando - Due to him not having Ansbach available. He called the sanguine dude a nobody.
Radahn phase 2 really is a flash bang meme.
Rhadan's worst move is the clone onslaught, he staggers you with his clones and then just kills you.
Love your videos, Prod. Keep it up brother😎💪🏾
Great video as always, cheers
That little snek in the corner is so cute :)
i really didnt like the last boss in terms of gameplay. his attacks were just so annoying, first phase was very fun and a 10/10 boss but phase 2 was so bad.
Right? Not even that unfair just tedious and annoying. I think a boss being unfun is worse than them being broken. Maybe he’s fun to some people but I just didn’t enjoy the second phase at all.
yea bro i had 20-30 fps in the second phase xD my pc isnt high end but its decent and every other boss worked completely fine.
@@AngstUrnachtI enjoyed it a lot after I got over the fact that I was going to struggle against him lol. The miquella enhanced moveset is actually very fair once you learn it
@@musicarain4702 I have to disagree. I basically no Hit it on my attempt and I still don’t like some second phase moves.
1. Maybe it’s because I was on ps4 and the fight was 20 fps but in his second phase some of his combos can stunlock you because of the AoE second hits which imo is cheap especially considering his fast double sword move.
2. His one teleport forward move makes him invisible to hit. I despise this with bosses when they become immune to damage.
3. Some general jank - I had times when the AoE he spawns on you spawned next to me? And I had moments where his combos would immediately stop or he’d fall out of the sky. Just very odd glitchy occurrences.
@@AngstUrnacht yeah i agree 100%
Radahn taking you 5 hours while Malenia took 7 is lore accurate
Yep Malenia is still the GOAT
@@Vengeance_Im nothing says GOAT like getting abandoned for your step-brother by the one you vowed to protect
So...whos harder, Radanh or Malenia?
@@discipleofdagon8195 It says that she's a genuinely good and tragic character, betrayed by her brother, the case that we rarely see within SoulsBorne bosses. Also, funny that people were claiming Radahn is a good guy and painted Malenia as evil, just for DLC to show that it's actually the opposite
@@JoseViktor4099 Malenia is hard untill u learn waterfall, Radanh is hard until u memorise every attack pattern by his first attacks, coz u'll see nothing on second phase. Reduce visual garbage on Radhan and they are prety on the same level i guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think Messmer has the most balanced difficulty factor, his moves are easy to learn, though punishing for the first few attempts, but his combos aren’t excessively intricate and good punishment windows. I find him a glass cannon kind of fight since he’s rather squishy, and even his second phase with the snakes you can get a good feel of their timings and his punishment windows increase after he lands back. Honestly my favorite fight in all of Elden Ring next to Morgott and BAAAAAYYLLLLE 😁
I absolutely love the dlc, I have watched you and a few others play as well as playing myself and it's so much better than I ever imagined
I had the best rng when fightning Romina, i jump attacked her at the start, and then the entire fight i was stuck in the her tail thing.and got to hit her for free the entire fight 😂
Radahn went from gigachad on horse to Terrachad lol
I love Gaius lore and his fight is interesting where spacing matters, but that god damn charge is soo inconsistent, also its cick and his gravity explosion are so annoying.
it’s just a straight up sloppy hitbox on the charge. So many times you dodge it and still get clipped by the back of the hitbox. For a lot of the bosses it’s small oversights like that that just bring the fight down and gives the impression that some bosses didn’t get the attention and polish they needed.
Lol just dodge straight into him
Heyo Prod~ Just finished the Video. I thankfully was able to watch some of your streams, and had fun!
In regards to my own opinion on a tier list, per say - since you've asked I figured I'd give it a try. This is a bit long. TLDR at the end.
Starting with the Lion, in your order, I like the design of the fight, although some of his animations are rather disjointed - surprisingly I thought the lightning part wasn't as annoying as the frost one. I'd somehow always get hit by the delayed frost attacks like the ghostflame from the dragon stomp. I'd put him maybe around A, nothing Amazing, nothing absolutely terrible or unfair aside from small issues. Took me maybe 5 or 10 trys.
Rellana was much of the same, in the sense of not having anything that I really love, or hate in the design and fight. The best part is definitely the way she transitions into new attacks, but maybe because I beat her in so few trys, I think it was maybe 3? I didn't even see that moon attack, or the sword wave one. I only saw the fire tornado before she died. Within only my playthrough I'd maybe give it a B because I literally didn't get to experience it all, but in seeing others she's a solid A. Wouldn't be an S for me, magic malenia~
Putrescent Knight has some cool lore that I appreciated, but the fight its self is a lot of - aggro non stop push that pedal down, and while some of what he does is visually cool, the obvious frame traps if you time things wrong didn't, to me, feel like a ton of fun. Because of that he definitely drops down to a B. I accept that I just wasn't that good at fighting him, thankfully he's on the squishyer side so it still only took about a dozen attemps.
Now, Mesmer. I agree with you, didn't feel that hard. He's one of the more fair fights where if you die - frankly it's probably an obvious reason or mistake. Not a weird unfair move, frame issues or something else. It feels like a fun fight to get right, and I don't really have much else to say about him which is a good thing. I'd leave him up there as my first S. Great aesthetic, wholeistically fair, with some fun lore. Took about 20 trys I believe.
Gaius. Oooooh Gaius. I hate this boss. I found him accidently when I was exploring, was medium rolling so he rammed me, went back in with a branch trying to get my souls and come back later, lost my 300k. Fuck Gaius. If I could fairly rate him I would but based on my experience of killing him in 3 attempts after that out of pure frustration, used a mimic mind you because I literally hated his existence in that moment and just wanted to never go back to him, easily a fucking C. I'll acknowledge it's not a trash fight if you're light rolling so he isnt' at a D. Beat in 3 "actual trys".
Metyr is one I like the aesthetic of, but there isn't much else for me to really say honestly? I feel like the fight has some really jerky animations that're weird to avoid or impossible - mainly the side crawly hand one, which even if you're Not positioning to her side, she'll sometimes spin and do it anyways. The phase transition lazer I've heard people have issues with but I was fine if I remember correctly. And some of her other hurt box's are just kinda weird. Overall took like 5-10 trys, wasn't that hard, was sort of cool, and has a cool OST/Quest theme. I'd leave her at B though. Wasn't what I'd consider an amazing fight all things considered.
Now - the Best boss in the DLC in almost every way. - Midra. Y'all joking, about, "MIDra" are dumb. Quiet. No but in seriousness, like Mesmer it felt like a fight where it's not dishonest at all. You know why you died, he hits hard, it's really cool aesthetically, the OST is quite literally maybe my 2nd favorite fromsoft OST ever, behind Ludwig. He's the top of my list in S. I think the only thing I am dissapointed about, as I said, "in almost every way" - is that he's, while fair, admittedly not the hardest, and maybe he could have had a bit more in health/move sets. Or hell - just...give us more frenzy questlines and really hype it up instead of the area, while amazing, being a bit empty prior to his dungeon. Beat him in about 10 trys and loved every moment. Still got the OST on repeat.
The Scadutree Avatar. Listen, I was mostly using fire damage greatswords and faith stuff - it was fun. And with this boss man I did crazy headshot damage. But in spite of that even though he was squishy and my build sincerely fucked him up, the phase fake outs was a cool idea introducing more moves, although considering you could reposte after every phase it sort of was obvious it was happening - in either case I think it was fun. I got punished by some of his moves like the dash because it's delayed and then I got the timing down and he died, pretty much. Plus I really like his weapon, oh did I mention? Midra's weapon is dope too. Either way I'd put the Scadutree Avatar up in high B because he's a fun idea, not a bad fight, the actually aesthetic is cool and that's about it. Don't remember how many trys it was, but it wasn't very long.
CURSEEEE YOUUU BAAAAAAYLE - now, I was playing through at the same time as friends, talking about stuff as we came across it in our own games, havin' fun, yknow? When we got to Bayle, I think it's fair to say that 90% of them would pick him as their favorite fight in the DLC, for me as I mentioned that's Midra. In my opinion, Bayle isn't a bad Fight. it's still a dragon fight, the camera gets a bit wonky, but he's definitely the most Cinematic in the dlc and he does look cool, without being bad...like a boss I have yet to talk about. I'd put Bayle up around A, Igon definitely sort of carries him from a B honestly experience wise. Took about 15 ish trys iirc.
The gank fight for me was the same as yours, but I had ansbach because I sided with Hornsent since I was on the fuck leta team from the start, she seemed weird. And she turned out to be. So yeah, Moore since I didn't tell him to go die, Freya since I did all of her and Ansbach's stuff so she wanted to fight, Dane since it's scripted, and Leta. With Ansbach and Thiolier at my side. Didn't take more than one try, was sort of a cool moment but I wouldn't put it past a B. Wasn't really a proper boss at all of course, and in other playthroughs it'll probably be a chore.
Now. as I alluded to earlier - easily the Worst fight in the DLC, for me. I'm happy with difficulty, I like difficulty but if the difficulty is a result of being poorly designed or in my opinion flawed, in many wasy - that's not a fun type of difficulty. At least for me before any patches when I did the fight, the performance during phase 2 was abysmal at many parts. Most of the time I couldn't see what was really happening through all the flashing lights and the way the weirdly distributed terrain would sort of position my camera sometimes. Phase 1 was the only enjoyable part. It didn't help that, leading up to this fight is an, in hindsight, sort of boring forced npc fight, and previous to that the quests point at how he Will be the final boss effectively...maybe this is controversial or polarizing but I sincerely hate the main story plot direction of the DLC, as much as I liked individual npc's a lot. I suppose it's just not for me. I don't really care about Radahn as a plot point. I wasn't excited, if anything that's the biggest dissapointment for me aside from Frenzy getting basically no love despite how big the area is, no quests, nada. Personally, I would have prefered if they went into more about Godwyne, even if we can't get Godwyne himself or if they wrote in a way that we did, that plot line wasn't resolved from the main game and would have been amazing with all the deathblight aesthetics, I can imagine it now. Or even get more into the things revolving around the Gloam Eyed Queen, so we don't have to wait for a sequel for more about Melina and how that all actually goes together. Etc. I could go on, I accept that it just wasn't what I wanted, and that puts him along with the fact that phase 2 is a trash heap, and it's not an enjoyable type of difficulty, he gets a D, at the very bottom. Phase 1 is the only reason I wont say he'd be in F. Took me about an hour or two, however many trys that was.
I realized in writing this I forgot to talk about Remina - very quickly, she's cool, bit disjointed but I killed her in one try so...aside from enjoying the aesthetic I don't have a solid gameplay opinion of her - maybe a B.
TLDR - Despite the biggest dissapointment being the last thing, I thoroughly enjoyed most of the DLC. Midra and Mesmer taking the cake, A lot of others just behind that, and couple that are just okay, and only one really bad one in Radahn
That's it~ Cheers prod. Thanks for the streams.
every video a person watches after they learn its old english and pronounced "Shadow" and not skadoo only makes skadoo funnier and funnier, i feel so bad laughing but its amazing prank from played on us
Well done Prod for finishing the DLC. It was amazing to watch the hours of suffering. Also know you that you beat Radahn on fair terms, by getting gud. His first phase was easy to learn after a couple of tries, but 2nd phase is true terror. He felt like Isshin from playthrough, hours of learning patterns and which ones to avoid till I eventually found the time to hit him.
What's sad about Radahn is that after I beat him and wanted to help others, it's always the same build. Finger shield and poke with bleed. It was so boring to see, but if it works for them then I guess it's fine. My take is that builds like that don't let you show how much you've grown as a player or adapt to learning the moveset.
Anyways, great tierlist. Keep up your amazing streams and videos.
I only fought 3 npcs during the final gank. I wonder what triggers the npcs to either be enemies, allies, or not even appear. For instance I only talked to moore a single time and he was nowhere to be found that fight
Moore kills himself.
you have to exhaust moore's dialogue and tell him to "put it behind him" at the end for him to appear at the gank fight, otherwise his corpse (with all the loot) is found near the church of the crusade, where you originally find a shivering pest
Moore i such a boring character
Those United in Common Cause, even as a gank fight, has earned its place as my second favorite Soulslike encounter right behind Gael. If you go through the story in a certain way, you get a fight that includes each character in that group;
Freyja, Hornsent, Moore, Dane, and Leda vs Tarnished, Thiollier, and Ansbach
The dialogue is heartfelt and the OST is probably the most emotionally evocative piece a composer has ever written for FromSoft
Fromsoft's first good npc gank fight fr.
The second phase of the final boss truly brought it down a lot for me personally, and that notion of "I'm glad it's over" that you mentioned was for sure the feeling I got when I beat him off stream. The light duplicate attacks that are nearly impossible to dodge are by far the moves I hated the most.
Fun fact, they can be avoided by walking to the right. Fair enough if you didnt enjoy it but just letting you know
I learned on my own that just rolling to one side works just fine. The cross slash is the only move that warrants this much annoyance
In regards to the fight with Leda, yes, if you don't kill Ansbac he will join you. I didn't kill him because after the Great Rune shattering, he still just seemed really genuine, and more or less vindicated my skepticism towards Leda.
As for Radahn, I am one of the people that did not get any satisfaction out of winning the fight. I went in at Lv246 with blessing level 18 and the same paired bleed Scavenger Curved Swords I've used since forever, with light equip load. 1st phase is great and never felt really unfair. 2nd phase was one of my least favorite experiences in the entire Souls formula anthology. It just felt like no matter what I did, there was no avoiding most of the attacks (especially the AOEs) and there was no room to get in any damage save for 1 or 2 attacks. I had to beat him using a setup I VERY much do not like, which was tanky armor, Fingerprint Greatshield, and bleed Antspur rapier. All I could really do was cockroach my way though it all and dodge the simp hypnosis grab attack. I eventually did succeed but it felt like such a hollow victory.
I came out of it feeling absolutely robbed of what should have been the best fight in the entire game. Orphan and Gael before him set such a high standard for the closing act, and Radahn fumbles it depressingly hard
Mannnn I did go the shield route too, I upgraded the shield u get from Moore, that one is pretty good
Genuine question: did you use spirit ashes, buffs, or any consumables or Holyproof dried liver?
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There was literally zero time to summon anything. And I didn't really bother with consumables because I would have just ended up burning through all of them. I just used Marika's Braid talisman instead
I did almost same as you. Only I had Occult infusion on Antspur Rapier (Scarlet rot straight up deletes Radahn first phase) and Black Steel Greatshield which has high holy defense. Combined that with Greatshield and Pearl Shield Talisman I could tank most of his hits. Then I poked his ass to oblivion.
But still it was hardest fight of the DLC and only one where I was glad it was over.....
Now i will say something that will haunt you for weeks:
Ascended Promised Consort.
Pretty certain Rellana took you 3-4 hours and not just 2.5 hours, I watched that stream.
I hope From listens to and learns from the backlash.
These bosses, with some exception (Midra, Rot Scorpion, Bayle sort of) were not as approachable as was the case with every other entry in the series.
Long combos, with minimal breathing room, and poor damage scaling. I thibk the Shadowtree fragment scaling is broken. They should have left it as end game scaling.
Searching every nook-and-cranny should not be necessary to beat the DLC, nor should hours-upon-hours of attempts.
A real shame, as I otherwise enjoyed the DLC. The characters, world design, and story was lovely, and I enjoyed those aspects more than the gameplay; which is a real travesty.
I think it really just depends on the individual, and their tastes and abilities. For example, for me I beat Rellana first try, so quickly that I don't remember anything about her. Yet other people find her difficult. In DS3 I struggled so much with Aldrich, but other people seemed to breeze through him. Agreed on the story and world design though. Top, top notch.
Im glad you specified how great of a fight the first phase of radahn is. Its ssoooo gooood. The second phase is alright, it just feel super annoying with the light beams. Too many IMO.
Love these tierlists.
miyazaki also said somewhere he wants future projects to be even more esoteric, and i just... looking at how esoteric ER lore can get already, what did he mean by that???
have you played bloodborne? ER lore is not that esoteric haha
@prod if u look at bayles back u can see 2 of the dragon lords heads on it
Prod cooked with this one
I struggled and manage to beat that hippo pre patch. I knew that grab would get patched too, but I couldn't wait. I wanted to kill him so badly, it was extremely personal for me
you perfectly expressed why i loved the final boss man, for me that first phase that shit gets me goin eveey time
Yall he isn’t calling Ansbach a nobody, if you completely miss out on Ansbach’s quest there is a basic blood noble npc that I don’t believe you see at all other than that point that you can summon.
Love the transition into Bayle. You should make a NPC tier list prod. No doubt Igon will be S tier lmao.
Second phase Radahn is so strong he takes away your ability to see
For me, Gaius and Radahn were the most boring, tedious and unsatifying bosses to beat on the whole DLC. Despite I love Radahn first phase, the second phase is so overwhelming with all of those beams that doesnt let you see anything and it felt for me like artificial dificulty, where the boss is hard not for his health or his damage but for make almost impossible to predict or dodge in almost every attack it makes. And Gaius it was just impossible to dodge for me, so I'm glad I used perfume AoW glich before it got patched to beat him. Seeing the train just to roll over you everytime you enter the boss fight is not very pleasant. But that is patched now too so maybe I give another try on another character. Hope in the meantime any sort of patch for second phase Radahn is done...
Dont get me wrong, I still enjoyed the DLC and I still give it a 10/10
"some random nobody who does bleed"
Yet another streamer who didn't do Ansbach's quest
I honestly loved the Scadutree Avatar for being an endurance test that wasn't incredibly difficult. So long as you fixate on the head, maybe have a ranged attack or two, it becomes an almost elegant dance that left my heart pounding when I toppled it. Further, I just love that Fromsoft, in their infinite creative glory, made me fight a literal flower boss, and at that, made it whoop my butt. Even more miraculous, they basically turned my most hated boss (ulcerated tree spirit) into something amazing and I don't know how. I'd say the Avatar is easily one of my favorite boss fights in all of Elden Ring.
Igons voice actor understood the job!
Prod rulez! lolz
the dancing lion's arena isn't too small, you just need to control the direction of the fight by circling around the center of the arena making it a dance.
hey man great tier list, what about the lamenter?
Love you Prod
Also yeah Senessax big poopy.
On Radahn, I remember one of the biggest things I heard from fans after the main game was how cool it would be to face off against “prime Radahn,” and we got it. It was spoiled for me, too, but I was very impressed and happy still. Very good. Very cool. Whole DLC is very good. Midra is my personal favorite, mostly because of music and looks.
Jori is just Crystal Sage 2: Electric Boogaloo
I loved Radahn aside from the fake out illusions doing damage and stagger, that felt like a bit much. I also could not see wtf was happening on screen so I just had to see the first swing of his combo and try to respond to the rest from pure memory.
the lion is doable even at +0 since the zone is intended for your first major dungeon, my first boss was Rellana and i still managed to beat her at +2
You Animal 😂, i also ran into her before the Lion. But at +3. It was so damn hard
Caught this 59sec after it dropped wtf
My Ranking.
Dancing Lion B, same reasons as Prod slightly dragged down from A by the repeat in Ruah and how frantic the lightning phase is.
Rellana S, she was one of those bosses that just feels perfectly paced for their game kind of like Sir Alonne.
Messmer B, he was pretty fun but I was playing with a summon who was helping me with shadow keep so I can't fully judge the fight.
Romina B, fought her before Messmer so I was a bit underlevelled and the fight was actually a fun challenge although lacking in presentation.
Radahn F, this fight was exactly what I didn't want from the DLC and I could write a hole essay on why. I had sworn off fighting Malenia in my friends playthrough out of frustration at fighting her underlevelled but this fight single handedly changed that.
This is most definitely a hot take but the leda gank was my second favorite fight in the whole dlc I just love the spectacle of just the all out brawl of my allies and hers going against each other.
i had a blast with the dlc.
i expected big dragon fight cuz we had Kalameet and Mirdir in previous dlcs.
Bayle was so awesome, just knowing theirs a big fuck off dragon and scaling this lighting shrouded mountain set a fucking ton.
felt like a dragon hunter.
the damn sound design too holy shit dude, like when he lets off his lasers it sounds impactful.
favorite boss in the dlc for sure
My ranking top is best bottom worst:
S TIER
-Messmer the Impaler
-Bayle the Dread
-Midra Lord of Frenzied Flame
-Radahn, Consort of Miquella
A TIER
-Rellana the Twin Moon Knight
-Divine Beast Dancing Lion
B TIER
-Needle Knight Leda, Dryleaf Dane etc. (EMOTIONAL DAMAGE)
-Romina Saint of the Bud
-Putrescent Knight
-Scadutree Avatar
-Metyr Mother of Fingers
C TIER
-General Gaius
-Golden Hippopotamus
-Jori, Elder Inquisitor
D Tier
-Ancient Dragon Senessax
I wouldn't count the ghostflame dragon because he's not important enough and also I liked him similar to how I liked dungeon bosses so it's hard to rank him. Also everyone in B Tier is pretty close
Hey prod friendly reminder to brush your teeth before bed 🛏️
My list:
Very good: Midra, Bayle, Messmer, Scadutree Avatar, dancing lion, Rellana, Radahn (phase 1)
Good: Metyr
Average: hippo
You are not a boss just a regular enemy: Jori, Senessax
Piece of trash: Gaius
Fun fact bayle has w of the heads still on his body
I wanted Godwyn I even yelled because i thought it was going to be him
Also the npc fight is one of the best fight and best npc fight in souls games. Also the ost is out of this world
It's trash. It's a shame a good song was wasted on that dog food
I jumped up some tombstones and fought the crazy dragon man and then the putrid old one reborn.
Best 3 are messmer, midra, and bayle without a doubt. Radahn and rellana and metyr being that high is a crime
I get Radahn and Metyr but Rellana is a dam near perfect fight
Jerma puts on emote only mode for spoilers!
37:50 Miyazaki's ideal rpg would be a souls game where everyone is barefoot and has kicks
I just found a theory about the Putrescent Knight that blew my mind. If it's true, he may be the discarded body of Radahn, since Miquella only needed his soul :|
Did you know Radahn was nerfed so sadly I won't be able to fight him in his peak
I think my personal biggest issue with the final boss is the big nuke move where if you try and do anyhting but run immedietly you are guaranteed to get hit
I honestly liked the ghost flame dragons, I think the design with all those tearings and stuff made things easier to see
Me watching tierlist videos just to see what everyone else thought, knowing full well i'm gonna be disagreeing with them anyways
The final boss took me TWO DAYS and I don't regret it even a bit
Another Radahn lover. I'm not alone... 😭
I agree with pretty much everything on this tier, except I like the ghostflame dragons a bit more than the usual player
So sorry you had your experience tarnished by backseaters. I was really looking forward to seeing your reaction to all the coolest moments. I'll still enjoy those videos. 8 years later and I'll always find it incredible that you manage to edit so quickly! Especially while sick. We don't deserve you!
Gravity death counter, day 913. 0 Deaths in this video, 120 deaths this year.
messmer was my absolute favourite boss. Maybe even from the entire game, not only the DLC. While fighting him the first time, i had the biggest smile on my face, i died around 130 times, and never raged once, he felt 100% fair, he did a lot of damage but was entirely dodgeable, he had a lot of openings, sometimes even between his hits i could land an attack, in his second phase he received more damage if you hit him in the snake, and overall he's just so cool. I absolutely love it. This needs to be the new standard in fromsoft games, i have high hopes for their new IP. I feel like they were cooking something to prepare for their next game, with the new weapon types and the deflecting tear, i have a feeling we're gonna eat good in a couple of years...
I beat the final boss in about an hour and a half at RL 219, Skadootree level 19, using the Quality Backhand Blade while wearing goat armor, mid-rolling. My biggest problem with the boss was the amount of frame drops I got from all the holy light beams and lightspeed afterimage attacks which made dodging a hell of a lot more difficult than it should've been.
The boss itself was cool as fuck visually, but some of their moves (namely the one-two swipes into the third cross-slash and *maybe* the double-gravity-lightspeed-afterimage attack) are almost impossible to dodge, especially with aforementioned frame drops. The average player will get hit at least once by those attacks, even if they memorize that pattern, every single time. Even without the frame drops, from what I've seen from others, the beams of light that stagger you on pretty much every hit and those two attacks make the difficulty feel almost artificial or cheap.
Enjoyed sir. Recently listened to a creator go on a rant while streaming about how the bosses were horrible and filled with “artificial difficulties” like unrealistic attack delays, hard to tell what is hitting you, too much health, big “anime moves” just to name a few. Went so far as to say they’d never buy another fromsoft again. Interested to hear his points in a well presented video once he cools off and isn’t just steaming his thoughts. Anyway, I’m more in the camp you’re in so far. But I haven’t really gotten very far yet, only beat the lion as of now. I say all that just to note how crazy divisive these bosses/dlc in general has been.
33:40 When I fought Radahn I mostly enjoyed it and I was extremely happy when I finally beat him but at least right now I'm not sure if I really ever want to have a refight with him. It definitely lands on the edge of what I can put up with in terms of difficulty and bs in the second phase but still managed to feel satisfying for the most part.
Bro killed the second most baddass npc in the game 😢