I did too. He openly claimed that if you don't support him on Patrion he would ignore all comments and questions. Only if you throw money at him monthly he will pay attention to what you have to say and answer your questions. Classy!! 🙄
I have liked Dr Grande, but his snobbery came out when he spoke of body language analysis, saying not a science. But I think body language reading is a useful tool. Useful tools don't have to be pure science.
@@jessicamurphy8817 True that body language could be a useful tool. However, it should not be used as the main or only tool. If he said it's not a true science, I'd actually mostly agree on that one. Pretty much all analyses on body language are somewhat flawed, as people can fake everything (including body language). Furthermore there are many meanings/reasons and various interpretations to numerous movements, voice ranges, etc. I've personally seen countless times people incorrectly interpreting body language. To have a more scientific method of analyzing a person's character, it must be coupled with other factors (i.e. persons history, relationships, life experiences [including PTSD, traumatic, good, bad, indifferent...], persons health&wellness, bodily toxic levels, etc.), etc. Although, if just trying to determine whether the person is being honest/genuine/lying, being deceitful.., then it could increase probability for a more accurate assessment.
No, you are absolutely Not being petty. Watching Dr Grande’s videos for entertainment is one thing But seeking to understand the method to Chris Watt’s crimes is another. Thank you for the Clarity.
Thank you so much for calling this out. I used to watch his videos and in a few videos he even claimed to be an expert on personality disorders. I was a Psych student and was watching his videos in the beginning and one day I came across his video on HPD (well, his one of many), having a parent with HPD I thought I would click it. I was appalled by what he said. He claimed that people with HPD dont show anger, mood swings, or rage. He basically described people with the disorder as silly goofs who wear bright colors and tell stories.....to say I unsubbed after that video is an understatement. I was literally in shock as both a Psych student and someone who lived with a parent with the disorder. How someone who claimed to be an expert on personality disorders could get that so wrong was so odd to me. So then, I did some digging, and found out his qualifications or lack thereof are not what he portrays. It really angers me beyond belief.
My son is continuing his education and working on his PhD in Psychology,currently passed the FBI security and was approved for clinicals at Fort Leavenworth prison under the guidance of his professor. He watched one of this so called "Dr Grande's" video and stated "Who is this person? What's his education background, practice blah blah blah ". So my son did his own research and found that Dr Grande isn't even qualified to diagnose any person. According to my son,he feel that Dr Grande's videos are disingenuous. Btw,my son has enjoyed your analysis videos and has much respect for Forensic psychiatrist.
@@El_TraficanteJust google him, his qualifications pop right up :) First thing I did before hitting play because I still fee duped by Dr (education) Grande. His ego is certainly muy grande.
absolutely agree- also - a phd in counsellor education doesn't give anyone the authority to make diagnosis, I have trained as a councillor and had years of counselling. I was not getting better, and knew I wasn't stable enough to ethically practice. I was later diagnosed with BPD and received dialectical behavioural therapy which saved my life. I am now in recovery. Not one therapist in over a decade picked up on the fact that there might be something more complex going on. This isnt to say that counselling cant be helpful in many cases. I do however think that there is a massive blind spot within the profession when it comes to mental illness, particularly if someone is eloquent and presenting well.
Agreed. I was in & out of counseling for decades, never seeing any substantial, lasting improvement (aside from the years I coincidentally adopted a pretty enthusiastic meditation regiment). It took my impulsive & self-destructive behavior landing me in JAIL, & subsequently being evaluated by a qualified PSYCHIATRIST, along the lines of Dr Das here, before I got my BPD diagnosis! And that did not take place until I'd reached the age of 37. The decades of turmoil & all the meaningful relationships left in ruin, it's a shame I didn't understand what was going on with me sooner. Who knows? I might have had a happy & fulfilling life! ✌🏼
Totally agree. He will rarely relent when it's clear he's made a mistake in his surface-level analysis, imo. I used to watch his videos to get a different perspective on situations where I was concerned that my regular sources were overly biased, but his refusal to adapt to the facts in some cases and relying heavily on social norms to shortcut actually researching complex, unconventional cases has me no longer interested in his content.
I agree. I had to quit watching him when he gave some seriously incorrect and dangerous medical advice. Also, his speaking tone and cadence is hard to take.
I agree with you entirely. As for Dr. Grande, I subscribed to him until I started noticing the exact type of mistakes you mentioned. That, coupled with some very inappropriate jokes lead me to unsubscribe.
he was fully in control 1. Murder 2. Make lunch. 3. Drag wife’s body down stairs and clean up her waste after she died. 3. Put your two toddlers in your car and drive for an hour. 4. Haphazardly dig your wife’s shallow grave and throw her in. 5. Make sure to smother youngest in front of the older ( much more aware and timid child) then murder her too but make sure to remember she said “daddy no” or was it “ daddy are you going to do to me what you did to cece” ( Chris let us know he isn’t sure if he answered her or not…) 6. Throw them in oil tanks and “stomp” their bodies through. 7. Text your mistress about songs with ominous meanings, text flowers, blah blah 8. Get caught immediately and throw entire life away plus 4 others. 9. Continually say even more horrific details about your crimes and lie and manipulate anyone who will listen..Good plan Chris. Enjoy the best 50 years.
@Single Shot Freddy he chose where he buried the wife was chosen in connection with the distance to where the kids were .. it wasn't just a random place which means he was of sound mind when he disposed of the bodies ... Also look at the reaction he had when they were looking at the neighbors CCTV .. very worth while watching the real life forensic shows that have the case on them
Thank you for continuing to call him out. Dr. Grande gives legal opinions and frequently acts as judge and jury by saying someone is guilty or ot guilty beyond a reasonable doubt or commenting on the "quality" of the evidence against someone.; he does not have a law degree or police experience, so his comments are more than unhelpful. What he does is grounds for discipline if he is a licensed therapist! His disclaimer he is not diagnosing is BS, as you point out. It troubles me that he has so many followers who believe he knows what he is talking about - and that is dangerous!
Bit harsh ...when you were explaining a psychopath.I thought you were STILL talking about Dr Grande for a minute!❤😂..for what it's worth I agree with you and it's nice to hear someone making sense from an experienced educated perspective..thank you!❤
Thank you for this. I too wondered about his “assessments” (diagnoses). I also assumed he had psychiatric qualifications, but felt he was off base about the characteristics of certain diagnoses.
Agree 100% and I appreciate you coming out and dispelling Grande's videos. I unsubbed from him some time ago as I noticed more and more how black and white his analysis are. He lacks nuance and layers within his explanations. I did honestly think that he was indeed a mental health professional! Thank you Doctor!
I believe he is a mental health professional and a Dr.in the US look it up.I’m not a fan anymore and don’t like his jokes but he is a Dr. of philosophy and a councilor in mental health. Technically.Haha
@@kibby5774 well, I know he has a PHd in education so he probably practices a bit as he addresses humans but I'm not sure how much Psychology he actually schooled for. I will look it up but I'm sure this legit psychiatrist also looked him up before he made this video. Anyone can claim anything now on the webbernet 😉 EDIT: He is a licensed councilor with a PHd in education. He is extremely narrow minded imo and is making bank here on YT. 👌🤔
Just a clarification: Chris Watts didn't have a trial. He pled guilty to avoid one. His remarks about thoughts supposedly being implemented in his mind were made to the two detectives who visited him in prison and who interrogated/interviewed him before he admitted culpability for the brutal murders.
This doctor or so-called Dr. whatever is does not know that Chris Watts case well enough to be talking about it. It just gives him another chance to put Dr. G down
I tend to consider Chris Watts' plea bargain our nation's own "Deal with the Devil." In the legal media system the term "A deal with the Devil" is used to refer to a crime which is extremely heinous and demented in nature and the accused pleads Guilty to the charges against them in exchange for a lighter sentence or pleads Guilty to lesser charges again in exchange for a lighter sentence. This term was first used in Canada during the investigation of Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo; aka the Ken and Barbie killers. Karla pleaded Guilty to two counts of Manslaughter in exchange for a twelve year prison sentence and testifying against Paul. When the police found videotapes showing Karla was more involved than what she told the police; the term of "a deal with the Devil" was coined in the Canadian press and the rest is history. However, I don't believe that Chris was insane or psychotic at the time of the murders because one of the key criteria for an insanity defense (had Chris rejected the plea bargain and instead pleaded Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity) to be accepted by the court system in Colorado is whether or not the accused knew right from wrong at the time of the crime. Chris clearly knew that his actions were wrong; but he did not care about the consequences.
I'm so glad that you do this. After hearing this I have become far more aware that it is important to check the credentials of every UA-camr, specifically in the arena of medical or legal subjects.
@@kibby5774 Still! It’s about integrity. He’s misleading people. Would you be analyzing people? Letting the world know you suspect they had certain mood and personality disorders when you aren’t qualified to diagnose them? I’m guessing probably not. You have to at least acknowledge he doesn’t have the credentials to be diagnosing from the DSM; you’re just dismissing it. He isn’t a psychologist or psychiatrist. I’d respect him so much more if he just said his background; it would be an opportunity to say he’s a professional counselor and how his PhD ties into this. He’s likely hesitant because he’s misled a lot of people by arrogantly acting like he’s able to diagnose. I thought he was a psychologist for a long time. For me it really is about integrity and being forthcoming. That matters.
I understand your resentment. However, I don't think credentials should be the factor to consider. There are many people out there, including ones with corresponding credentials, yet they will overstate their opinion as facts, yet they might include bias in their analyses, yet they won't follow the scientific method. You can be anyone. What matters is your work style, your methodology. It's just that people with higher education tend to know how to apply it.
@@freespiritchristinaMy professors in the Addictions Counseling Master’s teach us how to help clients with various diagnoses, and how to use treatment modalities appropriate for people with various diagnoses, and their characteristics. They explain how to identify people who might have specific disorders. The difference between diagnosing someone or not is the official capacity to do so. If You can’t diagnose someone if you’re not qualified to make that determination. Anyone can discuss psychiatric disorders and speculate. An official diagnosis will follow you through your life. It could be argued that YT discourse can do the same, but it is not a diagnosis, and is unlikely to affect your medical care, ability to purchase a gun, legal decisions, etc. It’s no more damaging for someone highly educated in Counselor Education to discuss psychiatric disorders than the lot of True Crime Karen’s who usually do. While I don’t agree with all of Dr.Grande’s assessments, I don’t think he’s claiming they’re expert assessments, or asking us to. If a professor isn’t an expert anymore, though, what is the state of our attitude toward education in the U.S? It’s common for doctors of philosophy to offer analysis and opinions about many topics. I’d rather hear an educated perspective, including those who have lived experience in the criminal justice system, than most True Crime channels out there, including network channels. Please excuse my messy punctuation…I can’t see what I’m typing or edit on YT, currently.
You are quite right to call this out. It’s like a lawyer attempting to be an oncologist! Personality assessment and forensic psychiatric analysis is incredibly complex and specialised. The Chris Watts case is one of the most horrific in living history (in my opinion). Thank you for sharing your expert insights 👍
Thank you for explaining your theories on this tragedy. I never thought Chris Watts fit the profile of a psychopath, but I do feel that he may have covert narcissism. I found it very interesting watching his mother - she seems to exhibit narcissistic traits herself.
Shannan exhibits more traits of narcissism than Chris or his mother. If you step back and look at all of it with an unbiased view, she was extremely abusive in her videos. Her treatment of the children and Chris was pretty awful and her reaction to the supposed nut incident was a display of histrionic behavior. Retroactive analysis of her behaviors reveals possible MBP and she fits the profile of a female family annihilator more than he did.
I'll admit I did think Dr. Grande was an actual doctor of psychiatry or psychology. I just assumed, based on the context and content of his videos, that he is an actual doctor in this field. I've enjoyed his videos and never once, until now, did I question what he was saying. I'll most likely continue to watch his channel but from now on will not take what he says as fact. I have questioned a few of his videos after watching other experts give their opinions but chalked it up to just different opinions. Thanks so much for bringing this to my attention. I recently found your channel, as a result of the JD vs AH trial, and am now a subscriber and have enjoyed what I've been able to view from your channel so far.
It's surprisingly common to encounter charlatans who pump out misinformation, half-truths and outright blunders. I like what you do, Doc, and always take a great deal from many of your videos. You often, though, provoke lots of questions in my brain. Not all of them are entirely positive 🙃 Thanks for bringing psychiatry and true crime to the masses. All the best, Chris
I do work on the mental health wards as a healthcare assistant would love to have become a qualified psychologist but a bit late in my years now but still extremely interested in what experiences people like yourself to have to teach , it still helps me understand the patients better , I have a great relationship with them and after six years of my job can safely say I love working in mental health . Always wanted to pick the brains of people like yourself so your videos are amazing for me to watch . It’s also a breath of fresh air hearing your concerns about Todd Grande from a professional perspective :)
Dr. Grande's videos are extremely thin on psychoanalysis. I'm not surprised he hasn't had any direct experience working in this field. I figured people were drawn to his channel for his unique monotone voice and dry humor.
It is my understanding it his opinion derived from experience, factual research with no claim that I can recall is qualified expert witness. Keyword opinion. I form opinions well and interestingly from much of his vidios making me more careful to not label an individual as many commenters appear to do. I'll give you one example that really stood out for me. I try very hard to not jump to conclusions, you won't catch me saying I knew from the moment I saw him he was guilty. Listening to the facts I was well aware I was waiting to hear the evidence segment yet failed to notice there was no evidence of this individuals guilt and began to form an opinion. Whoa there Nelly, his presentation caught me making what I believe to be a grievous legal error not taking lack of evidence into consideration.
Good on you Dr Das, this just shows how passionate you are about your profession. I watched Grande a couple of times but got bored and unsubscribed, couldn't work out how he had that many subscribers, but who am I to judge. I totally agree, no growth in yes people.
Because his subscribers increase dramatically when he "diagnosed" Pres. Biden. Of course, it was negative and conservatively biased, so the posse signed on. That's when I unsubscribed. If Grande was heading down the political podcast row, I wasn't going there.
Watched him a few times a while back, heard some inaccuracies. This was a while back, and to be fair don't have much exposure to his analyses, however at the time (if my memory serves me correctly), he also came across as somewhat biased/subjective. Therefore, not subbed to his channel.
In the past I used to watch Dr !! Grande. Until I listened to your previous post on him and once learning that his critics are not of a professional level like yourself, I soon stopped watching him, realizing he’s not medically qualified yet Dr!,Grande made out he was!! I think he is more entertainment value and he should state that.
This may not be the case in the UK, but he is a licensed counselor. Licensed counselors can diagnose and treat severe mental health disorders in the US
I watched a few Dr Grande's videos, but felt he was giving a very simplistic view of the issues. It just felt off, and misleading in places. I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this. Thanks for putting this video out for clarity's sake. Subscribed!
To those interested in the Watts' case, the very best assessment that I've found on UA-cam is on the channel "Live Abuse Free". There are a number of videos on that channel about Watts. A key reason the assessment of Watts on this channel seems so good is that it accounts for Watts' behaviour in the police interviews, and after; and also his behaviour life long, including when meeting Shannan and throughout their marriage. It makes sense of all of Watts' history.
@@valerierodger7700 I think that is how I came across it as well. I'm glad you were impressed by it too. I was especially impressed by how kind Zoe is and how careful.
I have been watching some of Dr Grande's videos for a very long time now and I am sure there were a few where he talked about his PhD in counselling education. I can't be bothered checking, but from the top of my head, there is an old video where he explains the difference between a medical doctor and a PhD doctor, where I think he mentions it. I wouldn't say he has ever been purposefully trying to disguise his real credentials. I have always known he had a psychotherapy background, but he is not a clinical psychologist. And I myself don't always agree with his opinions, but I really enjoy his videos, some make me laugh, some I appreciate because of the thorough factual work and a clear presentation. I have also subscribed to your channel and look forward to further videos.
Thank you! I've been suspicious of Dr. Grande for quite some time. His analysis of certain topics have seemed skewed, in my opinion. I appreciate the call out! Have a wonderful weekend!
He's exceptionally gifted at reading out factual material 😄 Your imitation of Dr Grande is uncanny. Thanks for your professionally qualified opinion and the laughs!
Especially good at reading factual information.. exactly! I never understand why Grande is so popular he spends the majority of video reciting the facts while telling a series of droll dry one liners..
Definitely agree with you. To many people on UA-cam who don't know what their talking about.. Breath of fresh air a professional doctor.. Been watching a lot of your video and I've learned so much.. Especially the grooming video's.. You are helping a lot of vulnerable adults and kids out there.
I rarely watched his videos and really just for entertainment purposes. I tend to take everything with a boulder of salt. Especially on YT. I stopped watching him after his video on him reacting to Dr. Curry. The forensic psychologist that testified to diagnosing AH. After hearing his true credentials I don't think he should be critiquing someone on a way different level than he.
I think it would be really interesting to see you as a guest panelist on the Behavioral Panel with Scott Rouse, Mark Bowden, Chris Hughes and Greg Hartley.
Their analysis is worse than Grande’s!! Total bs. One of them (Mark the Brit) has a background in Theatre for crying out loud! That’s like saying I’m a lawyer because I once beat a speeding ticket. Just my opinion.
@@hugrunj it’d be giving credence to nonsense. Why would that be interesting? Its like people who think tv wrestling WWE is real, and comparing those participants to Olympians. It’s silly.
I appreciate this very much. Dr Grande has been in my feed. I have watched a few of his videos and tried to find his credentials as I felt skeptical. Now I know better.
I agree, Grande is good at the common knowledge in the cases he covers, I watch them if I want a quick rundown in a case that is new to me as it gives a good summary but i don't watch the parts where he goes on about the diagnosis he isn't (lol) putting on people. Maybe the Goldwater rule is what scares him? Thanx for your vids bruh!
You're right. He's not a Doctor of Psychiatry. Period. Passing himself off as. And lay people don't know the difference. Even when told, they don't understand the weight of that. Simple minded people like pretty colours and pretty lights flashy lights.
Thank you for this, because I watched the video Dr Grande did because it’s such a horrendous act and naturally we want to know why would someone do this to his family? I’d rather know why and not be misinformed. I think he honestly believed he get away with it and come out with the sympathy vote and have his new lover by his side. All I can think is a decent human being would leave and use the legal system to get access to his kids. Taking their lives is extremely cruel, evil and selfish. Those poor wee babies and the terror they must have felt, and what their mother and her unborn child went through is just heartbreaking. It’s literally beyond any comprehension!
Thank you so much for educating us with your expertise, clear explanations and analysis. I really like listening to your content. Thank you for calling Dr Grande out, I am glad I stopped listening to him a few months ago.
I enjoy you videos and I learn from you. With Chris Watts I do have some thoughts. I don’t any of the killings were impulsive. I doubt they had sex and she made the comments about the kids. He planned this fully and though his good guy persona, that he cultivated over his lifetime, would keep the police from looking at him. My 2 cents. 😇
I agree, in my opinion he is a covert narcissist and my experience with that is I was married to a man who was a covert narcissist extreme“good guy”façade that fooled everyone me included until he couldn’t do it anymore the rage inside him finally broke and he became a different person in my opinion they are more dangerous than an overt narcissist because they dwell on things and they keep all that resentment inside that’s dangerous. Good comments thanks
This case is unfortunately mesmerizing.... I've spent an inordinate amount of time on it. I also have many thoughts and opinions especially about his moms influence on the murders.....
You really have a hate-on for this guy, and I love it! I don't blame you. There are certain situations where a professional should criticize someone who's only playing at being one, and this is one of them. I think he should put a disclaimer before his videos being very clear about how they are all for entertainment purposes only....especially because he drops stinky jokes more and more often nowadays. I only watch him when he's talking about someone I'm interested in, but I agree with others who have noticed how his earlier videos seem a lot more credible thant he direction he's taken recently.
I enjoy Dr. Grande and Dr. Das as well. I do feel like Dr. Das gives more specific info and education. Sending love from the beautiful Space Coast of FL 😊
It's Saturday midday here, and the first time I laughed out loud...sorry, the cat in the, um..the dr grande impersonation was so funny 😂😂😂 BTW, I'm really glad that you do an assessment of some of his vids, it's a good reminder for people that he is not a qualified Psychiatrist or Psychologist
I enjoy Dr. Grande’s observations. Sometimes I disagree with his analysis, not based on any qualifications but my take on the situation. Happy to have found your video - will subscribe!
I am more interested in your contributions than in the discussion of Dr. Grand. I have had a number of family members with a variety of psychiatric conditions. For example, two family members suffered from schizophrenia and paroia. One of borderderline. One of hallucinations and living in another world. One with Alzheimer's and a few eventually with dementia. People with schizophrenia and paranoid ideas can imagine the strangest things and the conversations are also very strange. Without medication, these patients can be very violent. However, they don't have a preconceived plan. It's in their heads. (I'm not subscribed to dr. Grand.)
And I think you are absolutely spot on about "Dr" Grande. He is so irritating in his delivery as well. I can only tolerate him for a few mins before I need to slap myself to check I am still alive.
What did you do to Dr. Grande's eyes in your artwork for the thumbnail illustration? Did you make his pupils, irises, and sclera completely black in order to convey to your audience that he is demonic? Is he a father of "Black-Eyed Children"?
OK I'm convinced. You make excellent points. If I have one critique your thumbnail doesn't help your case. That altered picture is just not cool. You have amazing information and I love this channel but that just seems like taking a silly pot shot and is unnecessary because you have the CONTENT to back up your point.
Grande attracts the kind of viewers looking for confirmation of their biases, not factual information. It's telling that such videos get so many views while those containing factual information are ignored. It's also a testament to the amount of misinformation there is out there and how many are unwilling to think critically. Trying to educate adults is arguably one of the most difficult things one could attempt.
Unfortunately Dr.Grande has changed,I understand the debate Dr./ not Dr. But His earlier content was helpful to many.when he started he was one of the first mental health channels.Hate the jokes,sometimes insensitive and I feel now he a monotone personality almost robotic.He might be Asperger’s ( or just autistic)the correct term now.I think.There is no way now he could study up on these topics in a meaningful way,as much content as he puts out.Very basic. But it’s not a war it is what it is. Thanks for listening
I disagree, I think he is usually pretty good at recitation of facts, even complex recitations. Admittedly even this has somewhat suffered lately due to his level of output. He becomes more problematic when it comes to analysis and opinion. As for misleading lay people I think being a lay person is not an excuse to be a lazy thinker. If you want to sit at the foot of a guru that's your choice and your responsibility.
@@THE-id1by a guru?! Lmfao you lost any credibility you may have had with that claim... And well done blaming Grande's victims champ. You're coming off as an all around class act...
26 K subscribers, took time but moving forward now well. deservingly so. Been with you from the beginning. Dr Grande was a psychological counsellor, particularly using Rational Emotive Behavioural Therapy. Clearly, - he thought a UA-cam channel might be more lucrative, - if it became successful. Better than seeing all those "annoying" clients!! Which earnings from his channel have seemed to have worked! Got to give him credit for that. Getting facts right is indeed his skill. But all agreed with you here, - fine thinking and reflection, as ever.
I agree. I never thought Chris Watts was a psychopath or a narcissist. Obviously, I didn't weigh up all the factors using forensic psychiactry education or experience. However, my gut just made me strongly doubt that he was a psychopath or a narcissist.
There was a case in new zealand in my home town timaru where a South African mum murdered her 2 children just after they came out of quarantine. Her and her husband were both doctors. So tragic
As someone who's kicked her Grande habit a while ago, I enjoyed this video and the others on the same topic BUT you've made one mistake also made by Grande: the only evidence that the murder of his wife was triggered by her threat that if they separated he'd never see his kids again is from the perpetrator. It may be true or it may be not, but shouldn't be presented as fact.
I really respect your analysis and opinions but I do have an important criticism. I think your professional opinion on Chris Watts would be different if you researched the case better. The entire police discovery files are public along with at least 2 hours of a police/FBI interview that took place months after his conviction while in prison. Chris Watts never spoke to a judge in court. He never spoke in court at all. He didn't discuss his motives until months after he plead guilty. I trust your credentials and opinions but when you tackle someone like Chris Watts you better know the case. So many people know the facts and details inside and out.
@@ams3344He’s performing similarly to Grande, actually. It’s part of the performance piece. Grande never does research, he just reacts to a single video. Ffs he watched the Colleen Ballinger video and sided with her wtf!? An iota of research would show her dark laundry list of deeds. Oh and his Try Guys video? Yeah if I was his wife I’d be suspicious, Grande is majorly projecting when he chooses who he defends..
Great work mate, this has been very eye opening. I was an early subscriber to Dr Grande and have always found his stuff interesting. I didn't realise he wasn't qualified to make the psychological opinions/diagnoses he often gives in his videos. However, I have noticed that he has been giving legal opinions on complex points of law. He clearly is not qualified to give these. You just got yourself a new subscriber.
I actually like Dr Grande but I also like to keep an open mind and listen to other opinions and perspectives. Constructive critique is a good thing and I’m happy to subscribe to you too 🙂
So, what are people who are so enmeshed with a parent (I think a case can be made that Chris was enmeshed with his mother)? What leads to them committing crimes and/or horrific passive aggressive behavior that hurts so many? He seems to have a pattern (if his mother, Shannon and Nicole can be called a pattern) of attaching to stronger personalities and being "influenced" by them. I have a personal interest in this as I think I have known at least 4 men like this and they always behave as if the women in their lives are running their lives and they just have no control or ability to make a decision. Oops, they end up a father, oops, their mother gives a grandchild food they are allergic to, oops, I'm suddenly having an affair, oops, I don't want to be married after all, oops, I killed my wife and kids. What's with these men who are "victims" of the women in their lives?
As a bisexual woman, not all men are like this, we just have to have standards and taste. 🤷🏻 Also, some men truly ARE victims of a woman. I have a male family member who was abused his entire childhood by his mother and it has require decades of therapy to get over. Doesn’t excuse his own actions. Nothing excuses one’s actions, merely explains.
I have a similar educational background to Grande (minus his pHd, which is irrelevant to direct practice for the most part anyway), and the thought of me confidently supposing people's diagnoses/personality factors/treatment needs is SO unimaginable to me. I am not even remotely qualified to put that information out in the world even in a hypothetical, let alone regarding a real person. Everyone defending Grande because he 'doesn't claim' to be a psychologist/psychiatrist (even though he's hoping everyone assumes he is one) is doing so because they don't understand the massive difference in expertise between a 'counsellor' and an actual doctor of psychology or MD. As an analogy, it's like the difference between a masseuse and an orthopaedic surgeon.
I take Dr G with a grain of salt but do find his content mostly informative and entertaining. Generally, he does examine evidence for and against the person being guilty/psychopathic or whatever the subject matter is. I don’t just take one person’s opinion as gospel , but I listen to several content creators and read on these subjects, as well as in this particular case, watched the interrogation videos. Also, credentials do matter, and I know you are a medical doctor/psychiatrist and regularly work with criminals, so your POV definitely carries weight. Family annihilation like this is just unthinkable and it’s hard for me to get my mind around, and I think most people feel this way. All that said, CW did seem generally like a regular, responsible guy who was frustrated at their financial life spinning out of control, another child on the way, and then falling in love with another woman. He was known for being dependable and knowledgeable on his job and had no criminal record. There are other content creators who agree with you about him not being a psychopath, but many say he is/was. I agree that he was more cowardly than a psychopath would be. I’m not victim-blaming either as what he did was horrible and heinous and no one deserves that. Your take makes me think further about this, and your expertise with the checklist and how things are really diagnosed is compelling for sure. Whether he was narcissistic, sociopathic, psychopathic, or just snapped and made this evil plan over some weeks, it’s a Shakespearean-level tragedy that ended four lives, five if you include his life being over as he will never get out of prison.
Dr Grande discussed one of my patients from Forensic Psychiatry in Melb, Aus. He missed out major observations that I believe are very basic for any experienced clinician. I think there are particular difficulties around Personality Disorders often requires clinical experience and judgement to differentiate from other issues. I know that even as an experienced clinician, talking with someone with particular personality traits, I know it is my instincts that kick in a lot of the time, or I get a sense of someone, that then I need to sort through and work out what is going on.
It’s UA-cam; I take everything I see, including Dr. Grande vids and this vid, with a grain of salt or at best, as opinion. On a side note, I’m wondering why you altered Dr. Grande’s appearance for the thumbnail of this vid. As you’re a mental health professional, I find that action interesting.
I TRULY ENJOY YOUR VIDEO'S. YOU EXPLAIN THINGS SO CLEARLY AND OF COURSE IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT VIDEO! I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AREN'T CALLING DR. GRANDE OUT, JUST TRYING TO GET THE CORRECT INFORMATION OUT THERE SO THAT WE THE VIEWER CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND AN ACCURATE PICTURE. I THINK IT'S RATHER SNEAKY OF DR. GRANDE PRESENTING HIMSELF AS SOMEONE MORE QUALIFIED THAN HE ACTUALLY IS. ALTHOUGH HE HASN'T LITERALLY SAID SO IT PAINTS A PICTURE IN THE MINDS OF OTHERS. NO DISRESPECT INTENDED.
Thank you for the explanation about Chris's real state of mind. How much the pressure from his mother who hated Shannan, bankruptcy, mounting medial bills for all three girls and then the final straw.... a way out of all the pressure with fun sex and no responsibilities played into his cold and cruel murders.
Great video! I have previously come across Dr G, he definitely doesn't come across as either genuine or credible. His monotonous voice & condescending manner is very off putting & his analysis just seems to be his opinion rather than a proper diagnosis. Your videos are much better, definitely more professional & I love the injections of humour. Keep up the good work! 😊💕
I absolutely thought Dr Grande was professionally trained- though I did feel uncomfortable with the jabs that sometimes even are directed at victims and on a couple of occasions had happened to know a great deal about a case from my own research and felt that he either did not know or left out pertinent information. I appreciate your viewpoint on this and it’s so interesting to hear your analysis of Watts. What he did to his children in particular haunts me (I feel incredibly sorry for Shannon, and in no way think that was anything but horrific and disgusting, but there’s something gut twisting and skin prickling about the idea of putting his two babies in car seats near their mothers dead body and deliberately smothering each. I hate it so much. ) Anyway I’m a new subscriber! And am looking forward to experiencing more of your content!
Love your channel. I’d be very interested in your comments on the many cases of child abuse and death such as Baby P, Star Hobson, the US cases like Isiah Torres and so on. It’s something a large number of people struggle with understanding. It’s quite topical with the Gabriel Hernandez documentary on Netflix.
I agree that Chris Watts is probably not a psychopath. I also think Dr. Grande is plenty qualified to discuss the topics he does, and is not misrepresenting himself. Counselor Education is offered through Psychology departments, where I study. In Education, it would be an Ed.D, not a Ph.D. Both are advanced degrees, and doctors of philosophy publish research on a wide variety of topics within their field. They discuss many topics outside their specialty with students. My professors have psychology degrees, and have covered various psychiatric disorders, neurobiology, pharmacology, etc., in class. I’m studying to be a licensed therapist, but we still cover material beyond that role as well as current events, such as news cases. The type of discussion on his channel is not unusual in classes, in terms of examining which disorders might be at play in real and mock scenarios. Doctors of philosophy are qualified to analyze and discuss many subjects. Who has the power to diagnose patients is so crucial because it’s a label that will stick with you for the rest of your life, affecting your medical care, legal status, etc. Dr. Grande cannot diagnose someone, and there is no specific danger in his speculating, as a highly educated professional. People with or without a high school diploma are discussing how to identify a narcissist, who is a sociopath, and all of the same topics. I appreciate an educated perspective, whether someone has a Ph.D or lived experience in the criminal justice system, or whatever the topic may be. My professors are called “Doctor.” I don’t think Dr. Grande has misrepresented himself in any way. He has done training videos in my major area, which are on YT. It’s clear, from those, that he is a professor.
Yes I think Dr. Grande missed the mark on this one. Psychosis, sleep deprived, years of unresolved anger and feeling trapped played into it. Did he have a psychotic break I wonder?
Don't you think the thumbnail is a bit much? You can critique away (actuallyI think yoi got a point), but I think it's a bit childish to make him look deranged on the thumbnail (and it males it much harder to take your argument seriously).
So with you! I like to speculate, but I'd never claim to be an expert or that I'm even right about my speculation. I'd far rather have a professional come on (my or any channel) and give solid answers. I feel he's misrepresenting himself/the profession.
As you know I have detailed Grande's increasingly inappropriate and even dangerous diatribes. He is now devolved into unhinged Trump cultist (Reich wing) rants.
Dr Grande's videos should be taken as entertainment and general background on cases, much as my own crime commentary. It doesn't take some special kind of crazy or mental illness to kill. This was - in my opinion - done for one of the oldest reasons one kills their spouse...money! Mounting debt, disagreements about finances, looming spousal and child support if he exited the marriage by divorce...all fueled by the excitement of some new p#ssy. There are no mulligans in life.
This video and you discussing the thought insertion aspect reminds me of something that happened with my former brother in law. He had been diagnosed Schizophrenic when he was around 20 years old. When my ex-husband invited his brother to live with us for awhile, he was 26 I think, so he had had this diagnosis awhile. I did not really think much about it. He seemed for the most part a regular person. I know he had to take medication every day. And that my ex an I would be making sure he did not forget to take it. (Which we thought we were doing.) But after awhile I started noticing odd things (because I was staying at home all day- I had a 6 year old and infant). I started to become uncomfortable. He would start laughing hysterically in his room. And I would hear him talking in there (by himself). He started compulsively reciting the Quran too- even when he had not showered for days. (Muslims, or people who know Islamic customs will know that this is really odd behavior, because you have to be clean to even touch Quran.) His brother would have to fight with him to get into the shower sometimes. A few times I woke up to find him staring at me. Or staring at the baby in the crib. When I would ask what was the matter he just looked blank and would turn around and go back into his room. My ex told me to lock the door whenever I took a nap and keep the kids with me. Because even he thought that was weird behavior. I had a conversation my my brother in law, because it seemed like his medicines were actually not working anymore. I asked him if he is talking on the phone in his room. He started laughing weird and said that he could see Djinn. I was like OMG these medicines are not working at all. He also told me he first started to see Djinn after he saw a witch in the desert. We used to take vacations to Ouarzazate a lot, Near the Sahara. He said he saw a witch or fortune tell there. Maybe he did see someone and it effected him. He had a habit of wandering off into villages and talking to people when we would go places. He said the woman told him to bring her an egg, she opened it on a fire and said some spell and did something to him. After that he could see and speak to Djinn. I told my ex and that is when he explained more about his schizophrenia. And that maybe he should send him back to Morocco to his parents. The last straw was when the smoke alarm started going off in the kitchen when I was napping with my kids in my locked room. I go out there and see him throwing herbs, salt, sugar in the oven... It looked like anything he could find in the kitchen he was adding to it. I was like what are you doing! Stop! He looked at me a said that he had to do it. He had to smoke the Djinn out of the house or they were going to hurt my daughter (the baby). He said other Djinn told him to do this. (Good Djiin. There are good and bad Djiin in Islamic lore.) His brother had to fly back to Morocco with him. (Escort him. And he did not go willingly. He even flushed his passport into the planes toilet and caused and huge problem.) Eventually his brother told him that he was not taking his medication. He thought the medication was making him worse, or not being able to know what the Djiin were up to. Anyway I have never been so freaked out in my life. But everything defied logic or sense, and was random behavior, or spontaneous. Nothing provoked my brother-in-law. we would just be sleeping and in our own rooms and he would hallucinate or have auditory hallucinations. Chris Watts had an agenda. To be free and be with his mistress. It lends to reasonable conclusion that he was not having a psychotic episode when he did what he did.
I think your channel is better than Dr. Grande's channel. And it is different. I think you should keep doing what you are doing. I wish your videos were a bit longer. Only because I listen to UA-cam in the background of doing stuff. I have wifi headphones and listen to content while I work, clean, cook, fold laundry- whatever. Short videos lead to UA-cam picking my next content and taking me to Dr. Grande or random people's videos lol. I love Deep Dives. I like the Deep Dives of Dr. Kirk Honda, but most of his Deep Dives are on Patreon. And he does deep dives with colleagues so it's more like a discussion. I think this format is just nice to listen to. Especially when the two speakers are not 100% eye to eye on everything or they have different expertise.
I don’t like Grande and now I know why. It’s not petty to be irked by someone stealing the valor of your work. You paid your dues. He apparently has not. Thanks for the analysis of Watts.
So, a couple of things, hopefully this won't be too long as I tend to write long comments lol. First, CW's comment about 'being implanted', I agree that it was to take less culpability, but I also think it was a slip up in basically saying that, at least regarding Shan'nan, it WAS premeditated and that it is partly because he ISN'T a skilled criminal, so, it slipped out. I was glad you said what you did, at first, I thought you were going in a different direction regarding that statement. Second, I don't really care for the word 'Bullied' as in CW 'was bullied' into confessing, because I think partly, since he WASN'T of 'criminal mind' so to speak, he was basically outsmarted(as in, instead of 'bullied) by LE, which they do have the upper hand and skilled experience to put that pressure on a suspect, which I guess is a sort of 'Bullying' but in a legit way of knowing how to and taking control. And third, from other vids I've watched on UA-cam and in particular, a channel called Live Abuse Free, who I think is very good and a legit expert in mental health. Anyway, she talked about CW being a Covert Narcissist and the way she explained it, I kind of have to agree, because I believe CW lived a life undercover! Because he didn't have balls as you stated, was weak minded, but tended to be comfortable with strong, outspoken women, like his mom, Shan'nan and NK was also outspoken. I think he needed guidance throughout life and needed(or wanted) to look like the 'good guy' because I think it gave him, as she said on that channel, narcissistic supply'! Which actually made total sense, to me anyway. So I'm wondering, Dr, Das, what is your take on this? Also in regards to his mental status, regarding narcissism, can one be, or in particular CW, be a Suppressed or Repressed psychopath? Where if his narcissism was laying undercover, could psychopathy be an undercover trait as well? I do believe he has some sort of mental diagnosis and I believe he was sneaky undercover, without anyone knowing, therefore was able to keep things, basically, on the down-low and just needed the right circumstances to bring it to the surface. I've obviously thought a lot about this, as I am so interested in psychology(and mainly why I have a fascination with True Crime)and I had planned on studying it once upon a time. So what do you think Dr.? And one more, I love listening to you and I think you're pretty much right on the mark with your vids! Just wanted to say that!(AND your accent is really amazing to listen to also🤗)
Great video. Was wondering if you would be able to do an analysis on different films or programmes which have a mental health component please? For example; 13 Reasons Why. (To me, it's heart is in the right place BUT it has some really dangerous messages around suicidal behaviour especially with not representing truthfully the lethality of certain methods that for young people could be very dangerous). Or Little Miss Sunshine? Or anything with prisons and what the film makers get right or wrong? Sorry, thought it might be interesting having your views on it.
I’ve watched Dr Grande for years and he has never implied or stated he is a psychiatrist -ever. In the US anyone who earns a PHD is entitled to use “Dr”. If I were sitting on a jury I would want to know any experts full credentials but in a you tube video - who gives af. If someone makes assumptions and comes to the wrong conclusion that is on them-this is entertainment.He gives a disclaimer before every podcast stating he is giving his opinion. I enjoy hearing his opinion but would not give it much weight in court. On Bella Grande podcasts he discusses cases with two of his former students so I am well aware he is a teacher. He has discussed cases from his past so I believe he worked clinically at some point in his past. BTW I am a nurse who worked in clinical pharmaceutical research and had to review medical records. More times then not they had 3 or so different diagnosis in their past made by psychiatrists. Not talking personality disorders. Not uncommon to see Bipolar, Schizophrenia and / or Major Depression made by different psychiatrists through the years. Was difficult to put them on studies because all but one of these were exclusionary. So, at least in the US psychiatrists don’t agree with each other so-disagree with Dr G if you want but this constant attack is uncalled for. Maybe analyze your fixation on your chronic barrage of attacks of an entertainment content provider on you tube.
psychiatry is not very scientific...psychiatrists don't strike me as particularly intelligent, either (no where near as intelligent as physicists/philosophers/other academics). And most of these psychiatrists have many issues themselves... just look at this chap, he is pathologically jealous of Grande, needs to prop up his own self esteem by constantly mentioning how qualified he is... somebody send this guy a self-help book!
Sohom said Grande ''passively infers'' that his use of the title ''Dr'' refers to a medical qualification entitling him to make psychiatric diagnoses. make professional assessments etc. Where-as Grande's doctorate is as a PhD. I think it's fair to say he allows that confusion to work in his favour. I'm sure there are lots of PhDs in all all sorts of fields who don't use their Doctorate title as part of their youtube username. It's basically a canny, if not quite ethical imo, marketting ploy which plays on the very different ways of sticking ''Dr'' in front of your name. Also the psychiatric jargon and diagnoses he uses which he isn't actually qualified to use in practice, and even his little intro with the textbooks, are all there to infer he's qualified in his opinions in some authoritative, accredited way. You might argue that someone who is qualified to train counsellors has a lot more insight than someone with a PhD in Geography or something, but still he's definitely trying to clothe himself in a specific type of authority he doesn't actually have. Now he's built a mass audience he doesn't bother so much. I was actually struck by how much time and thought Grande put into this old video compared to his usual leaden wiki type intro followed by laboured jokes and a bit of pop psychology. he pumps out But even after saying he'd worked for weeks on this video, and re-thought his 'analysis', he still made a really basic error.
@@gert8439 in that case all phDs are born to pretend. Every entertainer eventually falls into media trap and UA-camrs are not exemption. It takes time but unfortunately Das arrived at the game late and he’s already succumbed into the media ploy.
If you're consuming the content of any social media personality expecting them to be right about everything or even have the highest degree of expertise, you've already lost. Dr. Grande puts out consistent content that's entertaining and informative. Do I agree with everything he says? Nope. Do i think he's misleading people or misinforming them to a harmful degree? Also no. Most importantly, do I ever have the urge to yell at the screen "STOP ADJUSTING WHATEVER YOU'RE AFJUSTING EVERY FIVE SECONDS!" while watching his conent? No I do not.
Why the nasty “photo” of Dr Grande? What do you think would be the effects on his mental health of seeing such a nasty photo posted by someone who is supposed to be a “doctor”?
I unsubscribed from Dr Grande a while ago because of the bs and the arrogance. Happy to see someone calling him out.
Agreed, although have limited exposure to his analyses, as I've only watched him a few times.
I did too. He openly claimed that if you don't support him on Patrion he would ignore all comments and questions. Only if you throw money at him monthly he will pay attention to what you have to say and answer your questions. Classy!! 🙄
Yeah me too.
I have liked Dr Grande, but his snobbery came out when he spoke of body language analysis, saying not a science. But I think body language reading is a useful tool. Useful tools don't have to be pure science.
@@jessicamurphy8817 True that body language could be a useful tool. However, it should not be used as the main or only tool. If he said it's not a true science, I'd actually mostly agree on that one. Pretty much all analyses on body language are somewhat flawed, as people can fake everything (including body language). Furthermore there are many meanings/reasons and various interpretations to numerous movements, voice ranges, etc. I've personally seen countless times people incorrectly interpreting body language. To have a more scientific method of analyzing a person's character, it must be coupled with other factors (i.e. persons history, relationships, life experiences [including PTSD, traumatic, good, bad, indifferent...], persons health&wellness, bodily toxic levels, etc.), etc. Although, if just trying to determine whether the person is being honest/genuine/lying, being deceitful.., then it could increase probability for a more accurate assessment.
No, you are absolutely Not being petty. Watching Dr Grande’s videos for entertainment is one thing
But seeking to understand the method to Chris Watt’s crimes is another. Thank you for the Clarity.
Thank you so much for calling this out. I used to watch his videos and in a few videos he even claimed to be an expert on personality disorders. I was a Psych student and was watching his videos in the beginning and one day I came across his video on HPD (well, his one of many), having a parent with HPD I thought I would click it. I was appalled by what he said. He claimed that people with HPD dont show anger, mood swings, or rage. He basically described people with the disorder as silly goofs who wear bright colors and tell stories.....to say I unsubbed after that video is an understatement. I was literally in shock as both a Psych student and someone who lived with a parent with the disorder. How someone who claimed to be an expert on personality disorders could get that so wrong was so odd to me. So then, I did some digging, and found out his qualifications or lack thereof are not what he portrays. It really angers me beyond belief.
My son is continuing his education and working on his PhD in Psychology,currently passed the FBI security and was approved for clinicals at Fort Leavenworth prison under the guidance of his professor. He watched one of this so called "Dr Grande's" video and stated "Who is this person? What's his education background, practice blah blah blah ". So my son did his own research and found that Dr Grande isn't even qualified to diagnose any person. According to my son,he feel that Dr Grande's videos are disingenuous. Btw,my son has enjoyed your analysis videos and has much respect for Forensic psychiatrist.
I think your son is right. A healthy scepticism is one of the hallmarks of intelligence and independent thinking. Sounds like he had a good mum!
What is this guy qualifications? Both people did not prove any claim about their respective objective integrity in any way.
Please wish your son well from me and good wishes for his career! Great to hear of another helper in the world.
@@El_TraficanteJust google him, his qualifications pop right up :) First thing I did before hitting play because I still fee duped by Dr (education) Grande. His ego is certainly muy grande.
He doesn't diagnose anyone
absolutely agree- also - a phd in counsellor education doesn't give anyone the authority to make diagnosis, I have trained as a councillor and had years of counselling. I was not getting better, and knew I wasn't stable enough to ethically practice. I was later diagnosed with BPD and received dialectical behavioural therapy which saved my life. I am now in recovery. Not one therapist in over a decade picked up on the fact that there might be something more complex going on. This isnt to say that counselling cant be helpful in many cases. I do however think that there is a massive blind spot within the profession when it comes to mental illness, particularly if someone is eloquent and presenting well.
Agreed. I was in & out of counseling for decades, never seeing any substantial, lasting improvement (aside from the years I coincidentally adopted a pretty enthusiastic meditation regiment). It took my impulsive & self-destructive behavior landing me in JAIL, & subsequently being evaluated by a qualified PSYCHIATRIST, along the lines of Dr Das here, before I got my BPD diagnosis! And that did not take place until I'd reached the age of 37. The decades of turmoil & all the meaningful relationships left in ruin, it's a shame I didn't understand what was going on with me sooner. Who knows? I might have had a happy & fulfilling life! ✌🏼
He's a licensed counselor. In the US anyway, that makes him entirely qualified to diagnose.
Totally agree alot of services are service led and not patient centred at all.
Is anyone supposed to make a diagnosis without ever personally seeing the person? I don't think so.
Totally agree. He will rarely relent when it's clear he's made a mistake in his surface-level analysis, imo. I used to watch his videos to get a different perspective on situations where I was concerned that my regular sources were overly biased, but his refusal to adapt to the facts in some cases and relying heavily on social norms to shortcut actually researching complex, unconventional cases has me no longer interested in his content.
Ding ding ding… always the least interesting that gets all the glory. Ridiculous and people go to him for real legit analysis.
I agree. I had to quit watching him when he gave some seriously incorrect and dangerous medical advice. Also, his speaking tone and cadence is hard to take.
Ditto
I agree with you entirely. As for Dr. Grande, I subscribed to him until I started noticing the exact type of mistakes you mentioned. That, coupled with some very inappropriate jokes lead me to unsubscribe.
Same here
"Don't piss in my pocket and tell me it's raining, Dr. Grande!" Thank you!
I wanted to say, "I can't aim that far." 😂
Someone watches River.
@@StillyreedJudge Judy
The way he buried his wife in a specific place to where the daughters were shows that he had a working mind during it .. IMO
he was fully in control 1. Murder 2. Make lunch. 3. Drag wife’s body down stairs and clean up her waste after she died. 3. Put your two toddlers in your car and drive for an hour. 4. Haphazardly dig your wife’s shallow grave and throw her in. 5. Make sure to smother youngest in front of the older ( much more aware and timid child) then murder her too but make sure to remember she said “daddy no” or was it “ daddy are you going to do to me what you did to cece” ( Chris let us know he isn’t sure if he answered her or not…) 6. Throw them in oil tanks and “stomp” their bodies through. 7. Text your mistress about songs with ominous meanings, text flowers, blah blah 8. Get caught immediately and throw entire life away plus 4 others. 9. Continually say even more horrific details about your crimes and lie and manipulate anyone who will listen..Good plan Chris. Enjoy the best 50 years.
@Single Shot Freddy he chose where he buried the wife was chosen in connection with the distance to where the kids were .. it wasn't just a random place which means he was of sound mind when he disposed of the bodies ... Also look at the reaction he had when they were looking at the neighbors CCTV .. very worth while watching the real life forensic shows that have the case on them
I think it is great you do these videos about Dr Grande, it’s important people put out correct information.
Thank you for continuing to call him out. Dr. Grande gives legal opinions and frequently acts as judge and jury by saying someone is guilty or ot guilty beyond a reasonable doubt or commenting on the "quality" of the evidence against someone.; he does not have a law degree or police experience, so his comments are more than unhelpful. What he does is grounds for discipline if he is a licensed therapist! His disclaimer he is not diagnosing is BS, as you point out. It troubles me that he has so many followers who believe he knows what he is talking about - and that is dangerous!
Ditto!
I concur completely
He straight up says it's his opinion and he's speculating. What more do you want?
Bit harsh ...when you were explaining a psychopath.I thought you were STILL talking about Dr Grande for a minute!❤😂..for what it's worth I agree with you and it's nice to hear someone making sense from an experienced educated perspective..thank you!❤
Thank you for this. I too wondered about his “assessments” (diagnoses). I also assumed he had psychiatric qualifications, but felt he was off base about the characteristics of certain diagnoses.
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Grandes a qualified therapist. A world away. Check his excrutiating psychotherapy examplars on here…🤦♀️
Why is Dr. Grande’s face so distorted in the photo you used for this video?? What was done to the photo/his face is disturbing
Agree 100% and I appreciate you coming out and dispelling Grande's videos. I unsubbed from him some time ago as I noticed more and more how black and white his analysis are. He lacks nuance and layers within his explanations. I did honestly think that he was indeed a mental health professional! Thank you Doctor!
I believe he is a mental health professional and a Dr.in the US look it up.I’m not a fan anymore and don’t like his jokes but he is a Dr. of philosophy and a councilor in mental health. Technically.Haha
@@kibby5774 well, I know he has a PHd in education so he probably practices a bit as he addresses humans but I'm not sure how much Psychology he actually schooled for. I will look it up but I'm sure this legit psychiatrist also looked him up before he made this video. Anyone can claim anything now on the webbernet 😉
EDIT: He is a licensed councilor with a PHd in education. He is extremely narrow minded imo and is making bank here on YT. 👌🤔
@@AliciaM5555Counselor Education is offered through Psychology departments, or it would be an Ed.D.
I watched a few of his videos and had to block him.
I wasn’t getting anything but his ego and misinformation.
Thank you for this Dr.
He does give off an egotistical vibe, the irony that he may be a narc
Just a clarification: Chris Watts didn't have a trial. He pled guilty to avoid one. His remarks about thoughts supposedly being implemented in his mind were made to the two detectives who visited him in prison and who interrogated/interviewed him before he admitted culpability for the brutal murders.
This doctor or so-called Dr. whatever is does not know that Chris Watts case well enough to be talking about it. It just gives him another chance to put Dr. G down
I tend to consider Chris Watts' plea bargain our nation's own "Deal with the Devil." In the legal media system the term "A deal with the Devil" is used to refer to a crime which is extremely heinous and demented in nature and the accused pleads Guilty to the charges against them in exchange for a lighter sentence or pleads Guilty to lesser charges again in exchange for a lighter sentence. This term was first used in Canada during the investigation of Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo; aka the Ken and Barbie killers. Karla pleaded Guilty to two counts of Manslaughter in exchange for a twelve year prison sentence and testifying against Paul. When the police found videotapes showing Karla was more involved than what she told the police; the term of "a deal with the Devil" was coined in the Canadian press and the rest is history. However, I don't believe that Chris was insane or psychotic at the time of the murders because one of the key criteria for an insanity defense (had Chris rejected the plea bargain and instead pleaded Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity) to be accepted by the court system in Colorado is whether or not the accused knew right from wrong at the time of the crime. Chris clearly knew that his actions were wrong; but he did not care about the consequences.
I think that's what it was, is there a research facility close by?
I'm so glad that you do this. After hearing this I have become far more aware that it is important to check the credentials of every UA-camr, specifically in the arena of medical or legal subjects.
He has a PhD in philosophy,Philosophy is an integral part of psychology of the mind…It’s not like he has PhD in Agriculture…Come on ….
@@kibby5774 Still! It’s about integrity. He’s misleading people. Would you be analyzing people? Letting the world know you suspect they had certain mood and personality disorders when you aren’t qualified to diagnose them? I’m guessing probably not. You have to at least acknowledge he doesn’t have the credentials to be diagnosing from the DSM; you’re just dismissing it. He isn’t a psychologist or psychiatrist. I’d respect him so much more if he just said his background; it would be an opportunity to say he’s a professional counselor and how his PhD ties into this. He’s likely hesitant because he’s misled a lot of people by arrogantly acting like he’s able to diagnose. I thought he was a psychologist for a long time. For me it really is about integrity and being forthcoming. That matters.
I understand your resentment. However, I don't think credentials should be the factor to consider. There are many people out there, including ones with corresponding credentials, yet they will overstate their opinion as facts, yet they might include bias in their analyses, yet they won't follow the scientific method. You can be anyone. What matters is your work style, your methodology. It's just that people with higher education tend to know how to apply it.
@@freespiritchristinaMy professors in the Addictions Counseling Master’s teach us how to help clients with various diagnoses, and how to use treatment modalities appropriate for people with various diagnoses, and their characteristics. They explain how to identify people who might have specific disorders. The difference between diagnosing someone or not is the official capacity to do so. If You can’t diagnose someone if you’re not qualified to make that determination. Anyone can discuss psychiatric disorders and speculate. An official diagnosis will follow you through your life. It could be argued that YT discourse can do the same, but it is not a diagnosis, and is unlikely to affect your medical care, ability to purchase a gun, legal decisions, etc. It’s no more damaging for someone highly educated in Counselor Education to discuss psychiatric disorders than the lot of True Crime Karen’s who usually do. While I don’t agree with all of Dr.Grande’s assessments, I don’t think he’s claiming they’re expert assessments, or asking us to. If a professor isn’t an expert anymore, though, what is the state of our attitude toward education in the U.S? It’s common for doctors of philosophy to offer analysis and opinions about many topics. I’d rather hear an educated perspective, including those who have lived experience in the criminal justice system, than most True Crime channels out there, including network channels. Please excuse my messy punctuation…I can’t see what I’m typing or edit on YT, currently.
Thank you for your fascinating and informative analysis (as always). Would you consider doing a video on family annihilators in general?
You are quite right to call this out. It’s like a lawyer attempting to be an oncologist! Personality assessment and forensic psychiatric analysis is incredibly complex and specialised. The Chris Watts case is one of the most horrific in living history (in my opinion). Thank you for sharing your expert insights 👍
Thank you for explaining your theories on this tragedy. I never thought Chris Watts fit the profile of a psychopath, but I do feel that he may have covert narcissism. I found it very interesting watching his mother - she seems to exhibit narcissistic traits herself.
Shannan exhibits more traits of narcissism than Chris or his mother. If you step back and look at all of it with an unbiased view, she was extremely abusive in her videos. Her treatment of the children and Chris was pretty awful and her reaction to the supposed nut incident was a display of histrionic behavior. Retroactive analysis of her behaviors reveals possible MBP and she fits the profile of a female family annihilator more than he did.
I'll admit I did think Dr. Grande was an actual doctor of psychiatry or psychology. I just assumed, based on the context and content of his videos, that he is an actual doctor in this field. I've enjoyed his videos and never once, until now, did I question what he was saying. I'll most likely continue to watch his channel but from now on will not take what he says as fact. I have questioned a few of his videos after watching other experts give their opinions but chalked it up to just different opinions. Thanks so much for bringing this to my attention. I recently found your channel, as a result of the JD vs AH trial, and am now a subscriber and have enjoyed what I've been able to view from your channel so far.
Same
It's surprisingly common to encounter charlatans who pump out misinformation, half-truths and outright blunders.
I like what you do, Doc, and always take a great deal from many of your videos. You often, though, provoke lots of questions in my brain. Not all of them are entirely positive 🙃
Thanks for bringing psychiatry and true crime to the masses.
All the best, Chris
Someone's got a crush...
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@@alyciamarie4163 anyone sane
I do work on the mental health wards as a healthcare assistant would love to have become a qualified psychologist but a bit late in my years now but still extremely interested in what experiences people like yourself to have to teach , it still helps me understand the patients better , I have a great relationship with them and after six years of my job can safely say I love working in mental health . Always wanted to pick the brains of people like yourself so your videos are amazing for me to watch . It’s also a breath of fresh air hearing your concerns about Todd Grande from a professional perspective :)
Dr. Grande's videos are extremely thin on psychoanalysis. I'm not surprised he hasn't had any direct experience working in this field. I figured people were drawn to his channel for his unique monotone voice and dry humor.
Not me nor the silliness of commenters obsessed with his attire.
Sometimes I get basic vibes from Dr Ramani too, like every person with a certain disorder acts the same way, it’s all on a continuum
Since Dr. Grande is merely "speculating about a case like this," why does he directly diagnose the main character in the story he's dissecting?
It's a faux liability disclaimer due to the Goldwater rule.
It is my understanding it his opinion derived from experience, factual research with no claim that I can recall is qualified expert witness. Keyword opinion. I form opinions well and interestingly from much of his vidios making me more careful to not label an individual as many commenters appear to do.
I'll give you one example that really stood out for me.
I try very hard to not jump to conclusions, you won't catch me saying I knew from the moment I saw him he was guilty. Listening to the facts I was well aware I was waiting to hear the evidence segment yet failed to notice there was no evidence of this individuals guilt and began to form an opinion. Whoa there Nelly, his presentation caught me making what I believe to be a grievous legal error not taking lack of evidence into consideration.
Good on you Dr Das, this just shows how passionate you are about your profession. I watched Grande a couple of times but got bored and unsubscribed, couldn't work out how he had that many subscribers, but who am I to judge. I totally agree, no growth in yes people.
Because his subscribers increase dramatically when he "diagnosed" Pres. Biden. Of course, it was negative and conservatively biased, so the posse signed on. That's when I unsubscribed. If Grande was heading down the political podcast row, I wasn't going there.
Dr. Grande is wrong about a lot of things. The guy's a comedian more than anything else.
Watched him a few times a while back, heard some inaccuracies. This was a while back, and to be fair don't have much exposure to his analyses, however at the time (if my memory serves me correctly), he also came across as somewhat biased/subjective. Therefore, not subbed to his channel.
I think he has a strong tendency to be really snarky. Not very professional at all.
@@hollybeatty4493 What do you guys think of his recent video on Hunter Biden?
@@hollybeatty4493 people who watch him love that. I don't it's totally unprofessional but then he is not a professional is he.
He does have a Bob Newhart type of dry sense of humor, that's for sure.
In the past I used to watch Dr !! Grande. Until I listened to your previous post on him and once learning that his critics are not of a professional level like yourself, I soon stopped watching him, realizing he’s not medically qualified yet Dr!,Grande made out he was!! I think he is more entertainment value and he should state that.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! IVE BEEN NOTICING FOR A WHILE THE ISSUES WITH DR. GRANDE
This may not be the case in the UK, but he is a licensed counselor. Licensed counselors can diagnose and treat severe mental health disorders in the US
I watched a few Dr Grande's videos, but felt he was giving a very simplistic view of the issues. It just felt off, and misleading in places. I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this.
Thanks for putting this video out for clarity's sake. Subscribed!
How eye opening! Thank you for posting this.
To those interested in the Watts' case, the very best assessment that I've found on UA-cam is on the channel "Live Abuse Free". There are a number of videos on that channel about Watts. A key reason the assessment of Watts on this channel seems so good is that it accounts for Watts' behaviour in the police interviews, and after; and also his behaviour life long, including when meeting Shannan and throughout their marriage.
It makes sense of all of Watts' history.
Yes, that channel, is brilliant,, and Zoe's analysis of this case is endorsed by Shannan's family.
@@sally4026 Yes, it is typical of Zoe that she is concerned about Shannan's family's feelings.
@@valerierodger7700 I think that is how I came across it as well. I'm glad you were impressed by it too. I was especially impressed by how kind Zoe is and how careful.
I have been watching some of Dr Grande's videos for a very long time now and I am sure there were a few where he talked about his PhD in counselling education. I can't be bothered checking, but from the top of my head, there is an old video where he explains the difference between a medical doctor and a PhD doctor, where I think he mentions it. I wouldn't say he has ever been purposefully trying to disguise his real credentials. I have always known he had a psychotherapy background, but he is not a clinical psychologist. And I myself don't always agree with his opinions, but I really enjoy his videos, some make me laugh, some I appreciate because of the thorough factual work and a clear presentation. I have also subscribed to your channel and look forward to further videos.
Thank you! I've been suspicious of Dr. Grande for quite some time. His analysis of certain topics have seemed skewed, in my opinion. I appreciate the call out! Have a wonderful weekend!
He's exceptionally gifted at reading out factual material 😄 Your imitation of Dr Grande is uncanny. Thanks for your professionally qualified opinion and the laughs!
My pleasure!
Your videos are really interesting and informative, thank you! 👏
Glad you like them!
Especially good at reading factual information.. exactly! I never understand why Grande is so popular he spends the majority of video reciting the facts while telling a series of droll dry one liners..
Grande is awful plus he’s super creepy.
He's hilarious
Definitely agree with you.
To many people on UA-cam who don't know what their talking about..
Breath of fresh air a professional doctor..
Been watching a lot of your video and I've learned so much..
Especially the grooming video's..
You are helping a lot of vulnerable adults and kids out there.
I rarely watched his videos and really just for entertainment purposes. I tend to take everything with a boulder of salt. Especially on YT. I stopped watching him after his video on him reacting to Dr. Curry. The forensic psychologist that testified to diagnosing AH. After hearing his true credentials I don't think he should be critiquing someone on a way different level than he.
Now that’s a good point,he out of control!
I think it would be really interesting to see you as a guest panelist on the Behavioral Panel with Scott Rouse, Mark Bowden, Chris Hughes and Greg Hartley.
Dr Grande has recently been saying there's no truth in body language anakysis etc so yes!
Their analysis is worse than Grande’s!! Total bs. One of them (Mark the Brit) has a background in Theatre for crying out loud!
That’s like saying I’m a lawyer because I once beat a speeding ticket. Just my opinion.
I think it would still be interesting, they wouldn't have to agree on anything 😁
@@hugrunj it’d be giving credence to nonsense. Why would that be interesting? Its like people who think tv wrestling WWE is real, and comparing those participants to Olympians. It’s silly.
@@vettelover695 you never do anything silly for fun?
Dr. Grande has biases that ruin his analysis.
I noticed this
I appreciate this very much. Dr Grande has been in my feed. I have watched a few of his videos and tried to find his credentials as I felt skeptical. Now I know better.
I agree, Grande is good at the common knowledge in the cases he covers, I watch them if I want a quick rundown in a case that is new to me as it gives a good summary but i don't watch the parts where he goes on about the diagnosis he isn't (lol) putting on people. Maybe the Goldwater rule is what scares him? Thanx for your vids bruh!
I watch him in the same way and he has far too often joked about female victims as well it’s a shame as his earlier videos were a lot more authentic
You're right. He's not a Doctor of Psychiatry. Period. Passing himself off as. And lay people don't know the difference. Even when told, they don't understand the weight of that. Simple minded people like pretty colours and pretty lights flashy lights.
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Thank you for this, because I watched the video Dr Grande did because it’s such a horrendous act and naturally we want to know why would someone do this to his family? I’d rather know why and not be misinformed.
I think he honestly believed he get away with it and come out with the sympathy vote and have his new lover by his side. All I can think is a decent human being would leave and use the legal system to get access to his kids. Taking their lives is extremely cruel, evil and selfish.
Those poor wee babies and the terror they must have felt, and what their mother and her unborn child went through is just heartbreaking. It’s literally beyond any comprehension!
Thank you so much for educating us with your expertise, clear explanations and analysis. I really like listening to your content. Thank you for calling Dr Grande out, I am glad I stopped listening to him a few months ago.
I enjoy you videos and I learn from you. With Chris Watts I do have some thoughts. I don’t any of the killings were impulsive. I doubt they had sex and she made the comments about the kids. He planned this fully and though his good guy persona, that he cultivated over his lifetime, would keep the police from looking at him. My 2 cents. 😇
I agree, in my opinion he is a covert narcissist and my experience with that is I was married to a man who was a covert narcissist extreme“good guy”façade that fooled everyone me included until he couldn’t do it anymore the rage inside him finally broke and he became a different person in my opinion they are more dangerous than an overt narcissist because they dwell on things and they keep all that resentment inside that’s dangerous. Good comments thanks
This case is unfortunately mesmerizing.... I've spent an inordinate amount of time on it.
I also have many thoughts and opinions especially about his moms influence on the murders.....
You really have a hate-on for this guy, and I love it! I don't blame you. There are certain situations where a professional should criticize someone who's only playing at being one, and this is one of them. I think he should put a disclaimer before his videos being very clear about how they are all for entertainment purposes only....especially because he drops stinky jokes more and more often nowadays. I only watch him when he's talking about someone I'm interested in, but I agree with others who have noticed how his earlier videos seem a lot more credible thant he direction he's taken recently.
Yeah the odd joke use to be funny but now they seem really distasteful especially when it’s about a murder case !
Absolutely
I enjoy Dr. Grande and Dr. Das as well. I do feel like Dr. Das gives more specific info and education. Sending love from the beautiful Space Coast of FL 😊
It's Saturday midday here, and the first time I laughed out loud...sorry, the cat in the, um..the dr grande impersonation was so funny 😂😂😂
BTW, I'm really glad that you do an assessment of some of his vids, it's a good reminder for people that he is not a qualified Psychiatrist or Psychologist
I enjoy Dr. Grande’s observations. Sometimes I disagree with his analysis, not based on any qualifications but my take on the situation. Happy to have found your video - will subscribe!
Fair enough!
I am more interested in your contributions than in the discussion of Dr. Grand. I have had a number of family members with a variety of psychiatric conditions. For example, two family members suffered from schizophrenia and paroia. One of borderderline. One of hallucinations and living in another world. One with Alzheimer's and a few eventually with dementia. People with schizophrenia and paranoid ideas can imagine the strangest things and the conversations are also very strange. Without medication, these patients can be very violent. However, they don't have a preconceived plan. It's in their heads. (I'm not subscribed to dr. Grand.)
And I think you are absolutely spot on about "Dr" Grande. He is so irritating in his delivery as well. I can only tolerate him for a few mins before I need to slap myself to check I am still alive.
What did you do to Dr. Grande's eyes in your artwork for the thumbnail illustration? Did you make his pupils, irises, and sclera completely black in order to convey to your audience that he is demonic? Is he a father of "Black-Eyed Children"?
Thank you!!! I’m a layman but felt Dr Grande seemed quite biased in his assessments and have avoided his reviews after watching a fair few
OK I'm convinced. You make excellent points. If I have one critique your thumbnail doesn't help your case. That altered picture is just not cool. You have amazing information and I love this channel but that just seems like taking a silly pot shot and is unnecessary because you have the CONTENT to back up your point.
Grande attracts the kind of viewers looking for confirmation of their biases, not factual information. It's telling that such videos get so many views while those containing factual information are ignored. It's also a testament to the amount of misinformation there is out there and how many are unwilling to think critically. Trying to educate adults is arguably one of the most difficult things one could attempt.
Unfortunately Dr.Grande has changed,I understand the debate Dr./ not Dr. But His earlier content was helpful to many.when he started he was one of the first mental health channels.Hate the jokes,sometimes insensitive and I feel now he a monotone personality almost robotic.He might be Asperger’s ( or just autistic)the correct term now.I think.There is no way now he could study up on these topics in a meaningful way,as much content as he puts out.Very basic. But it’s not a war it is what it is. Thanks for listening
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I disagree, I think he is usually pretty good at recitation of facts, even complex recitations. Admittedly even this has somewhat suffered lately due to his level of output. He becomes more problematic when it comes to analysis and opinion. As for misleading lay people I think being a lay person is not an excuse to be a lazy thinker. If you want to sit at the foot of a guru that's your choice and your responsibility.
@@THE-id1by a guru?! Lmfao you lost any credibility you may have had with that claim... And well done blaming Grande's victims champ. You're coming off as an all around class act...
26 K subscribers, took time but moving forward now well. deservingly so. Been with you from the beginning. Dr Grande was a psychological counsellor, particularly using Rational Emotive Behavioural Therapy. Clearly, - he thought a UA-cam channel might be more lucrative, - if it became successful. Better than seeing all those "annoying" clients!! Which earnings from his channel have seemed to have worked! Got to give him credit for that. Getting facts right is indeed his skill. But all agreed with you here, - fine thinking and reflection, as ever.
I agree. I never thought Chris Watts was a psychopath or a narcissist. Obviously, I didn't weigh up all the factors using forensic psychiactry education or experience. However, my gut just made me strongly doubt that he was a psychopath or a narcissist.
I never thought he was either one as well.
He is a covert narcissist.
I am very glad for your perspective. This has really opened my eyes.
There was a case in new zealand in my home town timaru where a South African mum murdered her 2 children just after they came out of quarantine. Her and her husband were both doctors. So tragic
I know the case . They had just arrived in new Zealand . I wonder how the move played into that .....
As someone who's kicked her Grande habit a while ago, I enjoyed this video and the others on the same topic BUT you've made one mistake also made by Grande: the only evidence that the murder of his wife was triggered by her threat that if they separated he'd never see his kids again is from the perpetrator. It may be true or it may be not, but shouldn't be presented as fact.
I really respect your analysis and opinions but I do have an important criticism. I think your professional opinion on Chris Watts would be different if you researched the case better. The entire police discovery files are public along with at least 2 hours of a police/FBI interview that took place months after his conviction while in prison. Chris Watts never spoke to a judge in court. He never spoke in court at all. He didn't discuss his motives until months after he plead guilty. I trust your credentials and opinions but when you tackle someone like Chris Watts you better know the case. So many people know the facts and details inside and out.
He doesn't know his facts on this case he just wants another reason to put Dr. G down
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@@ams3344He’s performing similarly to Grande, actually. It’s part of the performance piece. Grande never does research, he just reacts to a single video. Ffs he watched the Colleen Ballinger video and sided with her wtf!? An iota of research would show her dark laundry list of deeds. Oh and his Try Guys video? Yeah if I was his wife I’d be suspicious, Grande is majorly projecting when he chooses who he defends..
Thank you for keeping your Chris Watts video ON Chris Watts. And thanks for not applying any annoying music or fake backgrounds.
Great work mate, this has been very eye opening. I was an early subscriber to Dr Grande and have always found his stuff interesting. I didn't realise he wasn't qualified to make the psychological opinions/diagnoses he often gives in his videos. However, I have noticed that he has been giving legal opinions on complex points of law. He clearly is not qualified to give these.
You just got yourself a new subscriber.
I actually like Dr Grande but I also like to keep an open mind and listen to other opinions and perspectives. Constructive critique is a good thing and I’m happy to subscribe to you too 🙂
So, what are people who are so enmeshed with a parent (I think a case can be made that Chris was enmeshed with his mother)? What leads to them committing crimes and/or horrific passive aggressive behavior that hurts so many? He seems to have a pattern (if his mother, Shannon and Nicole can be called a pattern) of attaching to stronger personalities and being "influenced" by them. I have a personal interest in this as I think I have known at least 4 men like this and they always behave as if the women in their lives are running their lives and they just have no control or ability to make a decision. Oops, they end up a father, oops, their mother gives a grandchild food they are allergic to, oops, I'm suddenly having an affair, oops, I don't want to be married after all, oops, I killed my wife and kids. What's with these men who are "victims" of the women in their lives?
Narcissists always make out that they are the victims hope you are well away from these type of people now :)
His mother was so unsympathetic and cruel regarding what her son did and her nasty comments towards Shannon were vile.
As a bisexual woman, not all men are like this, we just have to have standards and taste. 🤷🏻 Also, some men truly ARE victims of a woman. I have a male family member who was abused his entire childhood by his mother and it has require decades of therapy to get over. Doesn’t excuse his own actions. Nothing excuses one’s actions, merely explains.
I have a similar educational background to Grande (minus his pHd, which is irrelevant to direct practice for the most part anyway), and the thought of me confidently supposing people's diagnoses/personality factors/treatment needs is SO unimaginable to me. I am not even remotely qualified to put that information out in the world even in a hypothetical, let alone regarding a real person.
Everyone defending Grande because he 'doesn't claim' to be a psychologist/psychiatrist (even though he's hoping everyone assumes he is one) is doing so because they don't understand the massive difference in expertise between a 'counsellor' and an actual doctor of psychology or MD. As an analogy, it's like the difference between a masseuse and an orthopaedic surgeon.
I take Dr G with a grain of salt but do find his content mostly informative and entertaining. Generally, he does examine evidence for and against the person being guilty/psychopathic or whatever the subject matter is. I don’t just take one person’s opinion as gospel , but I listen to several content creators and read on these subjects, as well as in this particular case, watched the interrogation videos. Also, credentials do matter, and I know you are a medical doctor/psychiatrist and regularly work with criminals, so your POV definitely carries weight. Family annihilation like this is just unthinkable and it’s hard for me to get my mind around, and I think most people feel this way.
All that said, CW did seem generally like a regular, responsible guy who was frustrated at their financial life spinning out of control, another child on the way, and then falling in love with another woman. He was known for being dependable and knowledgeable on his job and had no criminal record. There are other content creators who agree with you about him not being a psychopath, but many say he is/was. I agree that he was more cowardly than a psychopath would be. I’m not victim-blaming either as what he did was horrible and heinous and no one deserves that. Your take makes me think further about this, and your expertise with the checklist and how things are really diagnosed is compelling for sure.
Whether he was narcissistic, sociopathic, psychopathic, or just snapped and made this evil plan over some weeks, it’s a Shakespearean-level tragedy that ended four lives, five if you include his life being over as he will never get out of prison.
Dr Grande discussed one of my patients from Forensic Psychiatry in Melb, Aus. He missed out major observations that I believe are very basic for any experienced clinician. I think there are particular difficulties around Personality Disorders often requires clinical experience and judgement to differentiate from other issues. I know that even as an experienced clinician, talking with someone with particular personality traits, I know it is my instincts that kick in a lot of the time, or I get a sense of someone, that then I need to sort through and work out what is going on.
It’s UA-cam; I take everything I see, including Dr. Grande vids and this vid, with a grain of salt or at best, as opinion. On a side note, I’m wondering why you altered Dr. Grande’s appearance for the thumbnail of this vid. As you’re a mental health professional, I find that action interesting.
I TRULY ENJOY YOUR VIDEO'S. YOU EXPLAIN THINGS SO CLEARLY AND OF COURSE IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT VIDEO!
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AREN'T CALLING DR. GRANDE OUT, JUST TRYING TO GET THE CORRECT INFORMATION OUT THERE SO THAT WE THE VIEWER CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND AN ACCURATE PICTURE.
I THINK IT'S RATHER SNEAKY OF DR. GRANDE PRESENTING HIMSELF AS SOMEONE MORE QUALIFIED THAN HE ACTUALLY IS. ALTHOUGH HE HASN'T LITERALLY SAID SO IT PAINTS A PICTURE IN THE MINDS OF OTHERS.
NO DISRESPECT INTENDED.
Thank you!! I thought the same thing. I mean, what do I know 🤷🏻♀️ But I thought he didn’t seem like a psychopath his whole life, just that one day.
unfortunately you cant be a psychopath for one day only.
Yes many of Dr Grande’s case analysis did not make sense….he implies high qualifications too…glad you covered this!
I agree wholeheartedly and I'm trying to share your channel anywhere online. My networking skills suck but I will keep trying!
Thank you for the explanation about Chris's real state of mind.
How much the pressure from his mother who hated Shannan, bankruptcy, mounting medial bills for all three girls and then the final straw.... a way out of all the pressure with fun sex and no responsibilities played into his cold and cruel murders.
*Shannan. Not Amber.
@@sciencenotstigma9534 Thanks!
I followed the Depp Heard case for so long... 😂
Great video! I have previously come across Dr G, he definitely doesn't come across as either genuine or credible. His monotonous voice & condescending manner is very off putting & his analysis just seems to be his opinion rather than a proper diagnosis. Your videos are much better, definitely more professional & I love the injections of humour. Keep up the good work! 😊💕
I absolutely thought Dr Grande was professionally trained- though I did feel uncomfortable with the jabs that sometimes even are directed at victims and on a couple of occasions had happened to know a great deal about a case from my own research and felt that he either did not know or left out pertinent information. I appreciate your viewpoint on this and it’s so interesting to hear your analysis of Watts. What he did to his children in particular haunts me (I feel incredibly sorry for Shannon, and in no way think that was anything but horrific and disgusting, but there’s something gut twisting and skin prickling about the idea of putting his two babies in car seats near their mothers dead body and deliberately smothering each. I hate it so much. )
Anyway I’m a new subscriber! And am looking forward to experiencing more of your content!
Love your channel. I’d be very interested in your comments on the many cases of child abuse and death such as Baby P, Star Hobson, the US cases like Isiah Torres and so on. It’s something a large number of people struggle with understanding. It’s quite topical with the Gabriel Hernandez documentary on Netflix.
Thank you. Grande’s an affront.
I agree that Chris Watts is probably not a psychopath. I also think Dr. Grande is plenty qualified to discuss the topics he does, and is not misrepresenting himself. Counselor Education is offered through Psychology departments, where I study. In Education, it would be an Ed.D, not a Ph.D. Both are advanced degrees, and doctors of philosophy publish research on a wide variety of topics within their field. They discuss many topics outside their specialty with students. My professors have psychology degrees, and have covered various psychiatric disorders, neurobiology, pharmacology, etc., in class. I’m studying to be a licensed therapist, but we still cover material beyond that role as well as current events, such as news cases. The type of discussion on his channel is not unusual in classes, in terms of examining which disorders might be at play in real and mock scenarios. Doctors of philosophy are qualified to analyze and discuss many subjects. Who has the power to diagnose patients is so crucial because it’s a label that will stick with you for the rest of your life, affecting your medical care, legal status, etc. Dr. Grande cannot diagnose someone, and there is no specific danger in his speculating, as a highly educated professional. People with or without a high school diploma are discussing how to identify a narcissist, who is a sociopath, and all of the same topics. I appreciate an educated perspective, whether someone has a Ph.D or lived experience in the criminal justice system, or whatever the topic may be. My professors are called “Doctor.” I don’t think Dr. Grande has misrepresented himself in any way. He has done training videos in my major area, which are on YT. It’s clear, from those, that he is a professor.
Yes I think Dr. Grande missed the mark on this one. Psychosis, sleep deprived, years of unresolved anger and feeling trapped played into it. Did he have a psychotic break I wonder?
For some reason people love to just say psychopath. Some people just do terrible things
Don't you think the thumbnail is a bit much? You can critique away (actuallyI think yoi got a point), but I think it's a bit childish to make him look deranged on the thumbnail (and it males it much harder to take your argument seriously).
So with you! I like to speculate, but I'd never claim to be an expert or that I'm even right about my speculation. I'd far rather have a professional come on (my or any channel) and give solid answers. I feel he's misrepresenting himself/the profession.
As you know I have detailed Grande's increasingly inappropriate and even dangerous diatribes. He is now devolved into unhinged Trump cultist (Reich wing) rants.
Dr Grande's videos should be taken as entertainment and general background on cases, much as my own crime commentary. It doesn't take some special kind of crazy or mental illness to kill. This was - in my opinion - done for one of the oldest reasons one kills their spouse...money! Mounting debt, disagreements about finances, looming spousal and child support if he exited the marriage by divorce...all fueled by the excitement of some new p#ssy. There are no mulligans in life.
This video and you discussing the thought insertion aspect reminds me of something that happened with my former brother in law. He had been diagnosed Schizophrenic when he was around 20 years old.
When my ex-husband invited his brother to live with us for awhile, he was 26 I think, so he had had this diagnosis awhile. I did not really think much about it. He seemed for the most part a regular person. I know he had to take medication every day. And that my ex an I would be making sure he did not forget to take it. (Which we thought we were doing.) But after awhile I started noticing odd things (because I was staying at home all day- I had a 6 year old and infant). I started to become uncomfortable. He would start laughing hysterically in his room. And I would hear him talking in there (by himself). He started compulsively reciting the Quran too- even when he had not showered for days. (Muslims, or people who know Islamic customs will know that this is really odd behavior, because you have to be clean to even touch Quran.) His brother would have to fight with him to get into the shower sometimes.
A few times I woke up to find him staring at me. Or staring at the baby in the crib. When I would ask what was the matter he just looked blank and would turn around and go back into his room. My ex told me to lock the door whenever I took a nap and keep the kids with me. Because even he thought that was weird behavior.
I had a conversation my my brother in law, because it seemed like his medicines were actually not working anymore. I asked him if he is talking on the phone in his room. He started laughing weird and said that he could see Djinn. I was like OMG these medicines are not working at all. He also told me he first started to see Djinn after he saw a witch in the desert. We used to take vacations to Ouarzazate a lot, Near the Sahara. He said he saw a witch or fortune tell there. Maybe he did see someone and it effected him. He had a habit of wandering off into villages and talking to people when we would go places. He said the woman told him to bring her an egg, she opened it on a fire and said some spell and did something to him. After that he could see and speak to Djinn. I told my ex and that is when he explained more about his schizophrenia. And that maybe he should send him back to Morocco to his parents.
The last straw was when the smoke alarm started going off in the kitchen when I was napping with my kids in my locked room. I go out there and see him throwing herbs, salt, sugar in the oven... It looked like anything he could find in the kitchen he was adding to it. I was like what are you doing! Stop! He looked at me a said that he had to do it. He had to smoke the Djinn out of the house or they were going to hurt my daughter (the baby). He said other Djinn told him to do this. (Good Djiin. There are good and bad Djiin in Islamic lore.) His brother had to fly back to Morocco with him. (Escort him. And he did not go willingly. He even flushed his passport into the planes toilet and caused and huge problem.) Eventually his brother told him that he was not taking his medication. He thought the medication was making him worse, or not being able to know what the Djiin were up to. Anyway I have never been so freaked out in my life.
But everything defied logic or sense, and was random behavior, or spontaneous. Nothing provoked my brother-in-law. we would just be sleeping and in our own rooms and he would hallucinate or have auditory hallucinations. Chris Watts had an agenda. To be free and be with his mistress. It lends to reasonable conclusion that he was not having a psychotic episode when he did what he did.
I think your channel is better than Dr. Grande's channel. And it is different. I think you should keep doing what you are doing. I wish your videos were a bit longer. Only because I listen to UA-cam in the background of doing stuff. I have wifi headphones and listen to content while I work, clean, cook, fold laundry- whatever. Short videos lead to UA-cam picking my next content and taking me to Dr. Grande or random people's videos lol. I love Deep Dives. I like the Deep Dives of Dr. Kirk Honda, but most of his Deep Dives are on Patreon. And he does deep dives with colleagues so it's more like a discussion. I think this format is just nice to listen to. Especially when the two speakers are not 100% eye to eye on everything or they have different expertise.
I don’t like Grande and now I know why.
It’s not petty to be irked by someone stealing the valor of your work. You paid your dues. He apparently has not.
Thanks for the analysis of Watts.
Thanks for the video. I am going to have to rewatch it.I spent the whole time distracted by the vase at the very edge of the table.
I wish you would pronounce the victim’s name correctly. She deserves that small respect.
I definitely think if watts was a psychopath he wouldn't have had any problems leaving his wife and kids.
Quality call out!
So, a couple of things, hopefully this won't be too long as I tend to write long comments lol. First, CW's comment about 'being implanted', I agree that it was to take less culpability, but I also think it was a slip up in basically saying that, at least regarding Shan'nan, it WAS premeditated and that it is partly because he ISN'T a skilled criminal, so, it slipped out. I was glad you said what you did, at first, I thought you were going in a different direction regarding that statement. Second, I don't really care for the word 'Bullied' as in CW 'was bullied' into confessing, because I think partly, since he WASN'T of 'criminal mind' so to speak, he was basically outsmarted(as in, instead of 'bullied) by LE, which they do have the upper hand and skilled experience to put that pressure on a suspect, which I guess is a sort of 'Bullying' but in a legit way of knowing how to and taking control. And third, from other vids I've watched on UA-cam and in particular, a channel called Live Abuse Free, who I think is very good and a legit expert in mental health. Anyway, she talked about CW being a Covert Narcissist and the way she explained it, I kind of have to agree, because I believe CW lived a life undercover! Because he didn't have balls as you stated, was weak minded, but tended to be comfortable with strong, outspoken women, like his mom, Shan'nan and NK was also outspoken. I think he needed guidance throughout life and needed(or wanted) to look like the 'good guy' because I think it gave him, as she said on that channel, narcissistic supply'! Which actually made total sense, to me anyway. So I'm wondering, Dr, Das, what is your take on this? Also in regards to his mental status, regarding narcissism, can one be, or in particular CW, be a Suppressed or Repressed psychopath? Where if his narcissism was laying undercover, could psychopathy be an undercover trait as well? I do believe he has some sort of mental diagnosis and I believe he was sneaky undercover, without anyone knowing, therefore was able to keep things, basically, on the down-low and just needed the right circumstances to bring it to the surface. I've obviously thought a lot about this, as I am so interested in psychology(and mainly why I have a fascination with True Crime)and I had planned on studying it once upon a time. So what do you think Dr.? And one more, I love listening to you and I think you're pretty much right on the mark with your vids! Just wanted to say that!(AND your accent is really amazing to listen to also🤗)
Great video. Was wondering if you would be able to do an analysis on different films or programmes which have a mental health component please?
For example; 13 Reasons Why. (To me, it's heart is in the right place BUT it has some really dangerous messages around suicidal behaviour especially with not representing truthfully the lethality of certain methods that for young people could be very dangerous). Or Little Miss Sunshine? Or anything with prisons and what the film makers get right or wrong?
Sorry, thought it might be interesting having your views on it.
I’ve watched Dr Grande for years and he has never implied or stated he is a psychiatrist -ever. In the US anyone who earns a PHD is entitled to use “Dr”. If I were sitting on a jury I would want to know any experts full credentials but in a you tube video - who gives af. If someone makes assumptions and comes to the wrong conclusion that is on them-this is entertainment.He gives a disclaimer before every podcast stating he is giving his opinion. I enjoy hearing his opinion but would not give it much weight in court. On Bella Grande podcasts he discusses cases with two of his former students so I am well aware he is a teacher. He has discussed cases from his past so I believe he worked clinically at some point in his past. BTW I am a nurse who worked in clinical pharmaceutical research and had to review medical records. More times then not they had 3 or so different diagnosis in their past made by psychiatrists. Not talking personality disorders. Not uncommon to see Bipolar, Schizophrenia and / or Major Depression made by different psychiatrists through the years. Was difficult to put them on studies because all but one of these were exclusionary. So, at least in the US psychiatrists don’t agree with each other so-disagree with Dr G if you want but this constant attack is uncalled for. Maybe analyze your fixation on your chronic barrage of attacks of an entertainment content provider on you tube.
Totally agree. Dr. Das is getting derailed.
He’s jealous of him
psychiatry is not very scientific...psychiatrists don't strike me as particularly intelligent, either (no where near as intelligent as physicists/philosophers/other academics). And most of these psychiatrists have many issues themselves... just look at this chap, he is pathologically jealous of Grande, needs to prop up his own self esteem by constantly mentioning how qualified he is... somebody send this guy a self-help book!
Sohom said Grande ''passively infers'' that his use of the title ''Dr'' refers to a medical qualification entitling him to make psychiatric diagnoses. make professional assessments etc. Where-as Grande's doctorate is as a PhD. I think it's fair to say he allows that confusion to work in his favour. I'm sure there are lots of PhDs in all all sorts of fields who don't use their Doctorate title as part of their youtube username. It's basically a canny, if not quite ethical imo, marketting ploy which plays on the very different ways of sticking ''Dr'' in front of your name.
Also the psychiatric jargon and diagnoses he uses which he isn't actually qualified to use in practice, and even his little intro with the textbooks, are all there to infer he's qualified in his opinions in some authoritative, accredited way.
You might argue that someone who is qualified to train counsellors has a lot more insight than someone with a PhD in Geography or something, but still he's definitely trying to clothe himself in a specific type of authority he doesn't actually have.
Now he's built a mass audience he doesn't bother so much. I was actually struck by how much time and thought Grande put into this old video compared to his usual leaden wiki type intro followed by laboured jokes and a bit of pop psychology. he pumps out But even after saying he'd worked for weeks on this video, and re-thought his 'analysis', he still made a really basic error.
@@gert8439 in that case all phDs are born to pretend. Every entertainer eventually falls into media trap and UA-camrs are not exemption. It takes time but unfortunately Das arrived at the game late and he’s already succumbed into the media ploy.
If you're consuming the content of any social media personality expecting them to be right about everything or even have the highest degree of expertise, you've already lost. Dr. Grande puts out consistent content that's entertaining and informative. Do I agree with everything he says? Nope. Do i think he's misleading people or misinforming them to a harmful degree? Also no. Most importantly, do I ever have the urge to yell at the screen "STOP ADJUSTING WHATEVER YOU'RE AFJUSTING EVERY FIVE SECONDS!" while watching his conent? No I do not.
Why the nasty “photo” of Dr Grande? What do you think would be the effects on his mental health of seeing such a nasty photo posted by someone who is supposed to be a “doctor”?
The lauren hill reference was masterful. Touché my man!