Paper Mario: Origami King is not worth your time.
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2022
- After three years of putting off this video, I finally sat down and cranked this out. It's raw, it's (mostly) filtered of its salt, it's GoodEnough.png.
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Edit: almost 1,000 views in a 3 day period! Y'all rock. - Ігри
I'm glad you didn't drag Super Paper Mario too bad. It wasn't like its predecessors, sure, but it's a great game in its own right. Sticker Star, meanwhile, was about as far you can fall from grace as one could get, and everything since has been them crawling up, trying to reach anything worth playing.
SPM is an okay game, but nothing more.
Probably the best take on PM that I've heard in a while.
It still has more of a story and rpg elements than those retcons. (The new games)
SPM’s storytelling is so good that it almost got a movie. As a more platform oriented enjoyer I didn’t really have a problem with the mechanics. The only inherent problem that irks me is the lack of depth in the pixel party members as they were given a personality and then proceed to turn into spineless husks the rest of the game
sorry it what???@@wConor
The sheer energy oozing out of this was very entertaining.
It's crazy how people come from nowhere and deliver an amazing video with high quality about a topic I'm interested in, thank you, it was so entertaining, hope to see more videos soon c:
Couldn't have said it better myself.
☝️ i was pleasantly surprised ^^
At this point, we won't even need "Chuggaa Tears Origami King a New One" because of this. ...Even though it would still be nice.
I personally think that SPM and TTYD are the best Paper Mario games. SPM because turn-based combat gets a bit annoying when you fall into a well and get accosted by 6 enemies at the same time, forcing you into back-to-back battles, and when you can fight in real-time it feels smoother. I do like TTYD because it's a good game. Maybe I'm biased because it was the Paper Mario I grew up with (and my first exposure to the PM series as a whole) but I do agree it's a good game.
Though the real-time battles and *very VERY* meaningful story of SPM will always have me praising it
To be fair, Nintendo did approach Square to develop Paper Mario (then known as Super Mario RPG 2) but they were busy with FF7 so they said no and *that's* when Nintendo got IntSys to develop the game.
I love me some Super Paper Mario…
*I wish we got a remake or a remaster.*
Super Paper Mario should have been the only spinoff of the series.
Because it *earned* it's title.
It's not what people wanted...
But it was certainly _good_
I completely agree with you.
I would have wanted that instead of what we got with origami king. I think a platformer paper mario would be better than a puzzle paper mario. I enjoyed Super Paper Mario a lot and would like to see that style again.
That aged well
Bruh I just wish things into existence
becareful with wat u ws
the editing, the writing, the EVERYTHING about this video is so good what the heck?? you're seriously underrated dude this is an amazing analisis of origami king (and the paper mario series as a whole)!!
love the editing here, I think since the mario and luigi series is over, and that was main reason the last three games were the way they were. There could be hope for a more faithful and original paper mario
Honestly I'm baffled that even miyamoto found sticker star boring and the lead dev was apparently devastated at the fact the game was badly received....and yet they still keep trying to force the disposable item battle system and same toad based character filler twice now...at this point I dont think they will ever learn
People want the original and thousand year door back. Those were fantastic.
All of the editing is amazing, and all the love to your friends and family is awesome. Why am I just now getting this gem of a video
This video was needed. People need to accept that "It's not Sticker Star" doesn't mean it's a good game. That's just a lower bar.
There's nothing wrong with people enjoying a game you don't like, nobody needs to "accept" anything. Everyone can have their opinion. I love this game. Hell, I enjoyed Sticker Star fine enough. I'm not _wrong_ for liking these games.
@@FormulaFanboy Can you please elaborate onto where I said you couldn't enjoy this game? You can enjoy the pittiest of games like Sonic Forces and that's a valid posture.
I'm talking on an objective manner, since Origami King usually gets pity in an attempt to overlook its flaws. Yes, the game looks and sounds decent enough, but that doesn't make it automatically good. It just means it has a high production level.
@@victorford5047 Idk man, saying that people 'need to accept' your opinion comes across _a looot_ like you're saying they can't enjoy the game.
@@FormulaFanboy Eh, it's more about Twitter ranting on other games (older Paper Mario or not) glorifying Origami King in the process.
They can put backtracking as the worst thing in the world and then pretend Origami King didn't suffer its own issues related to exploration.
Sorry if it was misinterpreted as some stigmatizing. I personally enjoyed Color Splash.
@@victorford5047 That makes a little more sense, yeah. Honestly, Origami King is the first Paper Mario game I've played extensively, and by far my favourite part is exploring and solving all the little puzzles and whatnot. I'm generally not an RPG guy and I'm not crazy about RPG elements, but the world of TOK is just really cool and I like exploring it.
I had mixed feelings throughout Origami King. There were so many moments I got this giddy little "Okay, origami king, I see what you're doing here" but a lot of it felt meh. Except for Bowser's castle. The cutouts freaked me out, and Mr Scissors actually felt tense. Then the ball dropped and I started getting really upset. I just wanted to end it
I was surprised when I saw that Black Pit clip.
Lotsa energy. I love your edits.
Yeah, let's face it, when the open-world presentation and the story are about the only things going heavily in the game's favor, it's hard to really call it good by a game standpoint. They were so close to getting this right, and if they hadn't stuck to this stubborn mentality that Paper Mario can't be an RPG anymore and maybe the arms thing was the only gimmick they felt like adding and they didn't feel the need to completely revamp the combat, this actually could have been amazing. I was even thinking if they don't want to bring EXP back, maybe have random encounters come with a reward of special red/blue coins that can be exchanged in gyms spread out across the world where Mario can pay to use the machines and increase his stats. Like, one could be for HP, another could be for physical attack, another could be for defense, and if they decide to bring this back, have one for FP. And for each upgrade, the price goes up by a decent amount.
Stumbled across this and wanted to say well done! The quality of this video is on par with some of the big names! Keep producing stuff like this! It was fun, honest, and I loved your opening (and I agree... "how does one discuss origami king?!")
the origami king is like that one annoying yet kind sibling, you cannot hate them but they still are frustrating, I have not played the original two paper mario games but I have seen what people think. yes we have every right to be frustrated by nintendo doing this but they don't really have a choice from what they have said, and the game in like a middle ground to me, like it has a mix of both games in it. the ally system being region tied or story tied is annoying but makes sense, the ring system is annoying yet reminds me of thousand year door mechanics, and the weapons having durability instead of being one time use is close to them being permanently there since you will have enough coins after a while to get a set of the best weapons. it is like nintendo tried making the game an apology but tried to stick to the things modern kids know aswell.
this is really well done I hope this video dose good and you do more!
I'm glad you brought out how much of a drab overworld exploration became in this game AND the previous two. Color Splash constantly had me wanting I could do anything other than hammer and paint things. And the cutout thing, I guess??
Uh oh! You've attracted the Origami King fans!
Good video, impressive editing.
Even though the battle system in Origami King is very mid, this is still my 2nd favorite Paper Mario game (favorite is the Original) I didn't mind the story and the worlds were fun to explore, but what really stole the show, like you said, was the spectacle. The soundtrack is excellent and it's one of the most visually beautiful games I've ever played. I don't find it all too replayable, but when I played it, I had a good time.
It's extremely depressing how Nintendo and IS are holding this series from reaching its full potential. I still like the game, but man what it could have been.
Hey, we encourage different opinions here!
Curious your thoughts on 1000 year door, as I hold that as the series gold standard
@@golferninja i personally loved the origami king and streamed a bit of ttyd I think thats they both have there positives and negatives
And just fyi its its not Nintendo holding the series back its intelligent systems
@@aidenliveandreloaded2522 I'm not even saying Origami King is bad. I'm just saying what i want vs what this game brings to the table are two entirely separate things, don't waste your time on it.
@@golferninja oh i did not watch the video yet, a bunch of shit hit the fan today. I just tapped on the video then had to go
@@golferninja I loved TTYD, as any normal person would. Although I strongly prefer 64 when it comes to replay value as TTYD's chapter pacing isn't its strong point (people like to bring up chapter 4 but the entire game just doesnt have as good pacing as 64 does imo)
Still an easy 10/10 for me. I'd personally rate four of the Paper Marios as a 10. 64 for the best gameplay, TTYD a great mix of fun characters and gameplay, Super with it's great characters/story and fun settings. Origami King for it's presentation. Music slaps in all of them. I thought SS was okay because I grew up with it and I haven't played CS.
If I must be fair, then it should be mentioned that I never really enjoyed battling the less important foes in the original Paper Mario games. Knowing that the bosses give more EXP when you're low level and having Amazy Dayzees be as super fast way to catch up mid-game, I never thought IS was good at designing a RPG battle system outside the boss fights and Pits.
In the case of Super Paper Mario, I like that it's not turn-based. You get through battles faster and can consecutively stomp on bosses if you get good. There's no huge bonus for "timed attacks" except that sometime shaking the remote for its sad EXP bonus can be a good way to help less skilled players such as myself get those consecutive jumps.
You can see with both Paper Mario and Fire Emblem, developed by IS, that there's always a back and forth debate between if there should be more or less story. I'm in the more camp! Having more story doesn't mean that the gameplay has to be sacrificed, we just haven't seen many Nintendo games that get that good gameplay and good story simultaneously.
Great video fast paced editing will definitely be checking back for more
Or #4 you actually like the game and are here to defend it.
Super paper Mario had a fantastic villain. I swear I play just for him. It wasn't all bad.
When you can feel dissatisfied after renting it, you know its shit
The music is great so it was worth it😍
This video came into my recommendation and here's my take on it as a PMOK fan:
I really liked how you were honest about the game and I'm so sorry if people were somewhat toxic toward your opinion. Although I never played the game before, I like it because of its storytelling, design, music, and characters. I feel like this game is going in the right direction for the paper Mario franchise because sticker star and color splash were god-awful. I agree that the battle system is kinda iffy, but I was absolutely shocked that they somewhat had you have partners. Even if they didn't stay that long, at least each of them had their own personality. The only reason why I love this game so much is rather for a sad reason. 2020 was a really bad year for me and the game helped me keep my creativity alive and I used to draw a ton of fanart for the game (cringe ikk but wow the characters kept me sane during that year lmao)
Anyways keep up the good work with your content. Hopefully one day there will be another game like TTYD or even the Mario and Luigi series if they find another rpg company to partner with ^^;
wait, you’re a PMOK fan and you’ve never played it?
@@cowboyluigi5275 Yea, but I often interacted with artist from the community and talked about lore. The only paper mario game I personally played was TTYD as a child, but my dumb younger self was extremely bad at it, so I didn't make it far 😅
I'm glad I got to find your content while your channel is still in its infancy.
Dude, you're good at this. You are really really fucking good at this.
You have a knack for entertaining people, I can tell. You wouldn't have put all this effort into this if you didn't.
And you knocked it out of the park on your (I think) first try.
you've done it. I'm proud of you.
You can make describing paint dry entertaining. I think we Both know that, i'm excited to see what you put out next, maybe another borderlands video, or a video where you rip into sticker star;
or hell you could even talk about books, or movies, or any other art form your interested in.
If you're passionate about this game, i'd love to hear your thoughts on other things you may be passionate about.
Continue this, if you love making this stuff as much as I think if you do you can really take this channel far.
Your name will get the recognition it deserves if you continue. I am fully confident in that.
This is amazing! Awesome video, I hope this does well in the algorithm, by the looks of things, it has been!
Very entertaining video you have a ton of potential especially with the editing style I’m going to subscribe
Honestly great video I may not agree with some of these points but watching this was very entertaining you’ve earned a new subscriber keep up the great work :]
The most memorable thing about this game are the bosses
- incredible music
- decent personalities
- uhh...
- ....
- Oh! The desi- *...oh wait*
I like the writing. There's a lot of funny dialogue. That's where Paper Mario starts and ends for me.
(the music is also goddamn great)
goddamn, this gave me flashbacks to the Sequelitis videos Egoraptor made way back when. You earned my sub
Nintendo really said, "Why have fun RPG battle mechanics when you can do PUZZLES!" Yay.
The most op strategy in sticker star, color splash and origami king is to run away from random encounters
yes origami king has free attacks unlike color splash and sticker star but still only getting coins from fights make it feel worhtless alot
i adore this game but i honestly absolutely agree. it felt so weird that all there really was seemed to just be.. hearts
will add, i absolutely LOVE the Legion of Stationery, they’re absolutely charming and i especially adore Tape his battle is so silly and its always a highlight to see ppl react to himm
underated ahh channel, great vid.
Awesome video keep up the good work i know how hard it is to grown on UA-cam so keep going !!!!
HOW DO YOU HAVE 300 SUBS? This is way too underated
I think I just watched someone lose their mind over a game about paper. Good stuff honestly
Hmm yes
Let the anger flow through you like a boiling river of magma, hot indiscriminate and loud!
On a serious note had a bunch of laughs and enjoyed this video
Surprised you felt anything for the bob omb named bob omb who blows up when every other character in the paper mario universe who was a bob omb just comes back after exploding
Yeah its kinda weird when you rermember bombette
Origami king was fun at first and when i used a couple glitches to bring partners where they aren't supposed to be. Bobby to the yellow streamer and Prof Toad to the green streamer. I think I'll try to 100% complete the game, but the battles and re-visiting previous maps after beating the final boss aren't even fun anymore.
But here's one thing i think everyone can agree with: Paper Mario's music is amazing
AOVRC represent! Smashed it out of the park, DeeJay are you ok, DeeJay! Stay hydrated!
I'd disagree with Thousand Year Door and Super Paper Mario not having deeper stories. Thousand Year Door has TEC-XX who has you contemplating whether or not an AI can be a person, or feel love. You also get a twist in that Grodus, the bad guy you are expecting the whole game ends up being not being the main villain. Having to fight a possessed Peach is something very new. Super Paper Mario covers topics of abuse, prejudice, and fatalism among others.
I know you say you like the spectacle in TOK, but to me while the world is more colorful it has never looked so lifeless and soulless than it does now. The only reason I filled in those holes with confetti is because the world looks even more horrendous if you don't. There is only one scene where I thought "wow that genuinely looks pretty good", and that was when Olivia used the Water Vellumental* power to fill the lake. It also happens to be one of the only parts of the game where they drop the everything is paper obsession for a moment.
There is one point I keep seeing people miss when it comes to criticism of TOK(or as I prefer call it Paper Mario Bored of the Rings), and that is the spite it has towards classic Paper Mario and its fans. The motivation of the main villain is purely him being a mouthpiece that Tanabe can put the words of critics into. Tanabe has now portrayed fans of the classic games as petulant children that also happen to be genocidal maniacs. Ollie's entire argument is that there are "too many Toads", and that "they all look alike". Sticker Star shares some of this in that the only references to classic characters are in a literal garbage dump.
*I know Japan is big on puns, but Tanabe takes it to a whole new level. Vellum is a type of paper made from animal skin, and "turn based combat" seriously?
AAAA JUST GOT IT LMAO
Did I see some Black Pit footage? Love that hack.
I actually agree with you on most of this, I’ve watched the game being played cause I couldn’t be bothered to actually buy it but it suffers hard in a lot of these areas and it makes me realize how all these companies are moving away from rpgs entirely. Square hasn’t had a turned based one since ff13 and dream team was the last true turn based rpg nintendo had besides pokemon. So I’m just saddened that besides nintendo the gaming industry seems to want to leave the rpg turnbased system behind.
Thanks for this video, I'm really tired of people on twitter saying it is good or fun
Says the TTYD Fanboy
@@garfieldthatonecat4824 I am a TTYD fanboy but I prefer the N64 one
@@garfieldthatonecat4824 TTYD is a good game dude
I've always seen paper mario as 3 different series
The original 2
Super paper mario
And the recent 3
In my opinion all of them are at least ok but when you hold them up as a part of the same franchise it's messy
agreed, but like... why label them on the same banner if they're fundamentally different?
Man is going places
Hey c‘mon, Super Paper Mario still had the soul of the old games. Sticker Star tho, there’s no excuse for that
Man, Geno fading out like that hits too hard.
At least the music for TOK still slaps.
(Meh that's just just a series staple at this point)
19:18 I see what you did there, “off the wall” lol nice move.
Color splash is goated tho :)
Yay! I know you've been working on this for a while, and it's fantastic to see it out there! Also, thank you for preventing me from spending my money on this game
It's pretty good for me tho, it really depends on the person
I think Origami King was a HUGE improvement over Sticker Star and Color Splash, its personally my 3rd favorite in the series behind Super and TTYD, like I still prefer the Mario & Luigi series and now its dead so we aren't really getting Mario RPGs anymore unless you count Mario + Rabbids, but great job on the vid, very good editing and commentary, I would love to see more!
you deserve more recognition (also thanks for not shitting too hard on super paper mario since i really love how it sorta innovated a combination between mario platforming and action rpg elements)
I'm here to be supportive 👍
Ay me too, *support*
You can critique the game all you want, but you're gonna verbally attack Olivia? You crossed the line, man.
At least he didn't diss the music
@@nickdearth1663 True.
You have an amazing energy for this shit.
underrated
Gotta disagree on the stories not being deep. Sure, they weren't as deep as your typical jrpg but in terms of mario they were the deepest stories we got out there and it all culminated to one of the best mario stories with super paper mario which showed a tale of love and how it drove someone to the lengths of nearly destroying the world. it's a shame things went downhill from there.
A minute in but I'm gonna share my quick thoughts about this game after playing through it and screensharing my one and only playthrough to a friend of mine that only played SPM but is aware of the series going on a sharp downhill Sticker Star onwards.
Origami King is probably the first game I felt this much mixed feelings towards. There's stuff I liked but also so much I absolutely couldn't stand...
ive not heard anyone get this exact angry tone in their voice since watching sequelitis. anyways good video :) also ty for not ragging on super paper mario too much, that game owns and is super cool and i feel like people give it a hard time more often than it deserves
Although it's not the best paper Mario game, I still really like this one because of its great atmosphere
Kinda feel like how the Marvel Movies are ending up like now, innit?
I wish you talked about the music and the art style/cutscenes/animations
But he did went into the art style?
But, art style and music are supposed to compliment the gameplay and add to it, so if the gameplay isn't enjoyable for him, it's a bit pointless to focus on those two things since they won't salvage it anyway
@Duskool I'm not saying that those things actually save the game or anything it just feels like it sacrifices comprehensiveness to not even briefly acknowledge them
Boy it's satisfying to hear such an unfiltered rant about TOK
It’s because You’re a TTYD Fanboy that rants about every other paper Mario game 💀
@@garfieldthatonecat4824 What's wrong with being a TTYD fan? It's an amazing game. One that has inspired a generation of RPG-fanatics, myself included.
I've been a fan of it since I was a child, where I replayed it, Paper Mario 64, and Super over and over again. I always hoped for a new game that took Super's story, combined it with TTYD's tight combat system and 64's whimsical music and settings to create the ultimate Paper Mario experience.
But I guess now, that will never happen. This series's current direction in game lineup is one reason I have stopped supporting Nintendo.
Is being unsatisfied with a franchise's direction a crime? Do you think that TTYD fans want to hate the current Paper Mario? Because most of them don't, they gave TOK a chance, but are just legitimately sad that a franchise they once held so highly as Nintendo's juggernaut of a console seller is now just a joke-filled Disney fastpass of an "RPG."
@@SuperSiege You’re just one of those Annoying TTYD Stans that Throw a Temper tantrum Over every paper Mario game after that. Like if don’t like a certain game, Then just don’t play it instead of acting like a 10yr old. :/
@@garfieldthatonecat4824 But I like 64 and Super Paper Mario collectively more than TTYD....they're all equally good in my eyes. I even liked some parts of Color Splash, rare as they were. I don't own a switch, so I can't play TOK, but I likely would've enjoyed parts of it too.
It's really the gameplay and reward system I have the most problem. I don't hate the game, more so how you're allowed to play it.
Did you not even read what I said and assumed that because I defended OP that I'm a TTYD elitist or something?
@@garfieldthatonecat4824 Also, I'm sick of the whole, "if you don't like it, don't play it" argument because it totally devalues why we discuss our opinions on media in the first place. A game that is seen as beyond criticism is probably one not worth playing to begin with.
I might as well tell you that if you don't like a comment, then don't reply. Or if you don't like what a person says, then just don't say anything.
Your silence is your choice, but just wanting to have your opinion about something heard is not a crime or immature.
It's just part of being human.
Honestly, on my totem pole, Origami King is 3rd from the bottom. Not as good as the first three (Of which I shall not explain the order), but MUCH better than Color Splash and Sticker Star.
14:57 That's actually a gain of 0.33%. RIP The Math.
How long did you freakin take to caption this entire video OH MY GOD
Too long. Way too #$^%ing long.
I love TTYD to death and I get the criticism Origami King gets, but I can't help it, I still like this game. It's so charming, I had a blast playing it.
Strange, I enjoyed Origami King and thought it was very much worth my time.
I genuinely gasped seeing you only had 273 subscribers. This is the type of video I'd expect out of someone with 20k subscribers at *least.* Good stuff!! Keep up the incredible content!! I had a blast with this video!
Y'know, I really clicked on this video expecting to hear the same ol' "not TTYD or SPM = bad game" argument but wow you actually cooked with this one. Mentioned a lot of personal gripes I have with the game too and explained how fundamentally flawed they are for an RPG game, but honestly, I can't blame Intelligent Systems for how it is these days.
It seems like they're doing their best to create a deep and original plot (with the whole broken family concept and life and death in the paper world) with interesting mechanics (1000F Arms and Vellumentals probably being the modern answer to the curses from TTYD) but simply cannot do so due to Nintendo wanting all non-mainline Mario games as "Mickey Mouse simple and -clean- easy" as possible, thus leaving behind a skeleton of what once was. I just wish that the Big N could have more fun with the greater Mario series nowadays like they did in the 00s. And that doesn't just go for Paper Mario, this extends to other spinoffs like the Mario Party and especially the Sports games too (idk why Mario+Rabbids specifically gets to take creative liberties, but I'm so glad it does). Like I can understand that they want to keep the world and franchise recognisable for newcomers, but the wackiness and unpredictability is what made it so popular in the first place. They should try and make compromises for it every now and then rather than just take it all away outside of the mainline games and one RPG spinoff series.
I think I'm gonna stop typing now because what is essentially 50 seconds worth of my thoughts shouldn't be able to produce a paragraph this big, but you get the idea.
Edit: I never really mentioned the editing or humour in this video, but yeah, you nailed the target. I'd definitely see what else you have in store for this channel.
3:51 Nintendo is like Disney, but a lot more friendly to minorities.
and not because it gives 'em a paycheck.
ALSO Super was never meant to be anything more than just another thing for the Gamecube. don't give it flak for something that was Sticker Star's fault. we got Dimentio from Super, and that was enough.
Well said! And after so many years of good fictional media being produced, sure villains with more intrigue than Dimentio have popped up, but Dimentio will forever be the Mario series' #1 evil genius and one of my fave characters of all time!!!
@@ninjaydes dimentio is so fun!
Yes it is.
I forgot all this great stuff existed because the game doesn't allow you to reset your save
I actually love it
While I enjoy the music and visuals in this game, and I've never had much trouble with battles and input, I do recognize that there are some:
1. It was a terrible decision to kill off both Olivia, and Bobby (who you spend not much time with at all)
2. To have Olly's motivation kind of poke at those who dislike the toad epidemic, I think it probably made a few people upset.
3. The size of the world, and Mario's max walking speed make even going to a museum pipe take a while, not too long, but still kinda bothersome (especially when if I'm remembering correctly, last 2 games let you straight up leave to the map without going to the entrance of the level). I feel like some kind of fast travel item (like a folded up return pipe), or more pipes similar to the one leading from the origami throne room to the castle entrance could've benefitted this game.
4. Vellumental powers can be used in regular battles and basically skips a wave for you if the enemy holding the panel is killed, but it's random and very rare where they appear (I think). This definitely could've been a manually activated ability instead.
5. So if I remember correctly, winning a battle even after cheering gives you some of your money back, a perfect bonus should only be if Mario defeats his foes without getting hit *or cheering.*
6. This whole "we can't change character design" stuff is stupid, what exactly did the development of Sticker Star do to prevent modification of characters? Why didn't Tanabe tell why? Is he intentionally trying to split the PM fandom in half?
7. Xp was apparently considered for this game, but just not implemented for whatever reason.
@@TheOnly3rd This game's been out for like, 3 years how'd you just discover it?
I don’t mean to be “that guy” but the footage you use for 15:54 is not from vanilla Paper Mario 64. But other than that this is a pretty good video.
"Where's my damn steak Nintendo?!"
It's not coming. I've given up hope on them actually making a worthwhile paper mario game and I'm just looking elsewhere now. They just don't want to do it. Unfortunately for them there are developers out there who do want to do it.
That's why it's best to boycott Origami King and buy Bug Fables.
23:00-ish didn't she encouraged professor toad to go his separate way because of Bobby at the end of his chapter tho?
To me, a Paper Mario is the original N64 game, TTYD, SPM, or any number of "Paper Mario-likes" like _Bug Fables_.
fun video, gj
the thing with timed hits is it doesnt matter the numeric value, because all math and numbers are relative. headshots in fps games are a thing people still care about, no matter how big the number, because of the percentage increase. I got that you generally said that but it seemed your bigger point was the numbers were bigger.
You need more subs
I think this video was very very well made. A lot of the edits were pretty funny, and I can see where your coming from with most of your opinions. Hating Olivia however? I don’t even know if I can trust someone who hates her. Like, how?
At least you finished it
I couldn't
I was way to bored
Like the bosses are fun but thats it
Honestly, of the Modern Trilogy (Sticker, Color, Origami), I'd say that TOK is the closest to the OG Trilogy. The writing is good (they're actually _characters_ this time), the humor is unironically chuckle-worthy, and the gameplay is... heading in the right direction. Is it comparable to the OG Trilogy? Sort of. Is it a fun game on its own merits? I personally think so, but everyone is welcome to their own opinions, and you definitely made some valid points about it. Also, Everyone's Still Toads.
I lost this game. I guess it was a blessing in disguise. I found the enemy encounters to be okay, but the bossses were damn near impossible with trying to get near the center. I couldn’t get past the first boss without a guide. I shouldn’t have to do that. Just give me the game, a quick tutorial, and then I will pick up the game easily. The paper Mario the thousand year door for the switch has me on a more positive note 😊
I'm gonna go at my own opinion after 2 completions, nearing 3. So, Lot of this was combat focused, which is true the combat is definitely not as exciting. It didn't feel like a major punishment to screw up a lineup, or you just give in and spam 999 coins to the toads to solve it for you. Which, yeah, blows, but at least it's there. Cause fuck man does it suck ass to not know what to do and waste more time trying to solve it. Still, a problem with a solution added. Hopefully next paper mario does not use a puzzle system. It's unique, but that's it. Unique and nothing else. Anyways that was only an issue to me post-purple streamer, but ofc people differ in puzzle solving skills. I do like the TTYD combat more than origami king, but I can't lie the bosses are still pretty fun (albeit a shame they die so fast. Queue me letting Olly heal so I can go through um you know. Won't say but you know)
As for the weapons, yeah I'm not a fan of hee-hoo you used this too much it borke. But ngl it has never been an issue for me. I didn't even buy a single weapon in my one run until I could buy legendary weapons. But I guess that's based on how much people explore, and how many hidden blocks you find. (Hint for some people, most have a clear indication, an out of place square under it)
The Bosses. So, like I said I enjoy them. Personally unlike the frustrating battles that somehow manage to be more annoying to solve, bosses are usually pretty clear. The arrows just make it really easy to tell where to go, I guess. I've never really struggled with that, and sometimes makes you think should I grab that on panel this turn? Should I get that heart or heal from a shroom? I do this a bit. Personally I'd even go out of my way to avoid high dmg panels just to make the fights last longer (Nintendo please easy mode sucks, stop it) I guess some of them weren't that good but a few of the bosses were a lot of fun (polar bear my beloved)
The partners. Yeah, they definitely could have used some more gameplay in combat, but I feel like you aren't taking in consideration that nintendo has brought several elements back from ttyd, even if they aren't the same. Audience (though increased by saving toads), partners, weapons/accessories are kinda like badges but not quite, it's a step in the right direction. I just don't get why Nintendo is afraid of a leveling system. I mean yeah it's more work and takes more time to like, balance xp and whatnot but at least people will be happy.
I wouldn't pin the world design on the toads. That's just the toad part being unnecessary. It does get very tedious.
The world (actually this time), I highly disagree on this one. Yes the confetti gets old too, but use of the thousand fold arms or vellumentals is about close as we got to the curses from ttyd, but otherwise the exploration is fine, if not better. One thing that I never liked about ttyd was the tiny, very uninteresting areas. The game's still great, but I wish the areas weren't pretty much always flat and like a few footsteps long. I get it's an old game, but it still kinda sucks for what is essentially the last good paper mario game.
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Olivia, I actually again highly disagree with this one. I mean yes the amount of dialogue interruptions for no reason is too high, but imo, her design is far better than sticker star and I uh can't say for color splash cause never played it due to how it turned out. But like compare kersti. She was literally just a bitching nag, hated her design so much. Then she tries to make you feel bad at the end by suiciding, but oops! Mario brought her back with the wish. At least Olivia suicided and didn't come back... feels more impactful. As for getting herself in trouble, that wasn't really her, was it? She got stuck in a wall by Olly, then in the grass by the one crash, crushed by Olly, then captured by the handaconda. None of which was technically her fault, and I mean only 4 times throughout the game isn't that bad. Not 100% needed, but not terrible by any means. Plus, first 2 is ez to deal with, 3rd is just filler, 4th is just temp for the first half of the handaconda fight. So 3rd is about the only shitty one imo.
Remember that I've played the whole game as well, so I'm not going here with no knowledge or anything. Just my opinions on it. In general, it's not perfect, and not close to ttyd, but it's better than what sticker star and color splash did. I mean even King Olly existing at all was nice. The whole "bowsah bad guy" thing gets pretty old. Like in ttyd at least he wasn't the final boss but yes you still fought him. But my god sticker star made me so bored, not to mention some bosses required things to pass. Didn't they do that for color splash too? Idk. Point being: I hope the next game is as good as origami king, but with the better combat, item/badges and more unique characters sprinkled onto it. Then, finally, we can have an awesome paper mario game again.
But this is Nintendo. They probably won't. One can hope...
Imma get some popcorn before scrolling down 😀😃
TBF, they're mostly civil
Honestly, I'd buy the game just for the music
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Honestly, imagine how the bosses would've been if they WIELDED the Things instead of being them
Imagine a commander goomba, with a pencil rocket launcher
Imagine Stapler Chain Chomp
LITERALLY ANYTHING WITH SCISSORS AS A COOL ASS DUELIST.
Literally the only thing wrong about the bosses (other than the battle sistem but that's independent) is the lack of designs.
just wanna say that wouldve been amazing!
i love the objects as i said in another comment, but they’re LITERALLY office supplies hah.
that chain chomp wouldve been so coool
It was freaking hilarious just hearing you lose your mind. XD
*Cry some more.*
No, but I agree. I don't look as much on the combat as I do plot, but what you said still makes sense.
All I want is super mario rpg 2!
15:50 The clip of Stylish in Paper Mario 64 is a bit deceitful. That's a mod.