GW's promotional photography had some stand out pieces of scratch built terrain. The huge circular landing pad was a standout. But I think the crashed cargo spaceship was the absolute highlight of their stuff.
that was for 2nd and 3rd eds. don't remember the hobby class on RT era...but 1st ed warhammer fantasy was D&D and miniatures.... edit- I know 40k and RT and WHFB are different games. - a gamer of almost 50 years.
It was certainly a more creative time for wargaming / terrain scenery back then. The Terrain Tutor will teach you everything almost you need to know about modern scratch building of terrain peices, although he's having a bit of a rough time right now unfortunately. I'm getting into Warhammer The Old World so I'm modifying terrain to make it look as a sort of half way house between 1990s Fantasy Battle Terrain and modern day Old World building kits bought off the shelf.
I remember trawling through websites like Terragenesis and hivecons back in the late 90s. I really do miss seeing all the scratch built terrain. Everyone using the same game mats, premade kits and 3d printed terrain these days is so bland.
it is still doable my dude. Model train stuff, foam board, glue, cardboard, wood putty, old window screens, sponges, and all that jazz can still be obtained.
@@kirkbrownell1556 I've been out of the hobby for a while...so I probably don't know the current landscape as well as you. I will say it was always my favorite part of white dwarf, and I loved all the articles about turning aquarium plants into jungle terrain, grabbing the wierd styrofoam forms that come with electronics to hold them in place and turning them into fortifications or parts of industrial worlds...Did GW just stop promoting that or did like everyone abandon it in favor of 3D printing? because to me the DIY terrain felt so accessible, like I might have to save to get more minis, but I could just find some junk or spend $10 at the hardware store and have new terrain whenever.
@khw1425 it my opinion it really came about with the hyper focus on balance and competitive play the last 8 to 10 years. Standardized terrain kits and balanced symmetrical tables while treating the table top like an arena.
@@kirkbrownell1556 mmmmm...I mean I guess that makes some sense...but like for just enjoying it kinda sucks...While I did play at official GW stores I never got into tournaments and like most of us were just stoked to be playing at all.
Still got and use all the card warhammer buildings and scratch build houses from 30 years ago and still use the one foot square total terrain system polystyrene boards for my tables in green and sand also the hills proberly nearly 40 years now.
Got back into the hobby after 20 years. Started building my own terrain after the MESBG magazines and books. Love it. The old world mountains are easy and quite nice
Am I imagining things, or is the hill at 3:42 as you mention they are made out of polystyrene foam ironically the rigid plastic Citadel hill that came in the Battle of Five Armies box, alongside being sold separately?
GW used to make a hill that split in half so it could become two hills on the side of the battlefield. Our games workshop in Katy Texas had one back in the late 2000s. Just found your channel and it seems pretty great.
Ahhh, memory's. I had a blast setting up the table top. I played the GM for WHFB 3rd edition. Was present when rolling spells. And Army units deployed on the map. (Ahh, good times to see the expression on the Generals faces as both army's are deployed)
I am from the Rogue trader era and made whole cities hills and trees from various materials. Cardboard and polystyrene led on to foam board and later GW plastic hills. I was discussing laser cut buildings with a GW manager who told me that it's easier for them to let other manufacturers to produce and sell scenery and trees etc to save GW money on production and packaging etc. Plus I don't think they can compete on price. Many historical players still make their own terrain. I personally used to like a river and a bridge!! To fight over.
@@SnakeWorksStudio I think around 20 years. Which isn't necessarily crazy considering GW has plenty of models its been making for over 20 years (some Eldar models are approaching 30!)
I used to make alot of terrain back in the early 2000s...Lichen didn't always want to be glued down, didn't hold up in storage, and would get crumbly after a while...you could just have a pouch of loose lichen and place it as needed. Always glued flock though. Generally you'd clean the surface underneath after the glue was dried and shake it off, try to collect the leftover flock and use it for the next piece or for basing.
Hi Marcel, been watching your videos for 2 years now and just wanted to thank you for all the videos you put out. You really are a pillar of the Oldhammer community!
GW sold hills in big bags under the Citadel label in the 90s In both flocked and unflocked varieties. I have some and it took me forever to find them as they don't come up for sale very often.
When you talked about shopping carts in bogs I thought about all the tentacle bits I got that would make a great addition to a swamp. Dont have any miniature shopping carts tho haha
I scratch build all my terrain... it lets my inner big mek out to play in a non orky project. I just like the look and charm of well made hand crafted terrain...
Shaping polystyrene to round shapes and shoving cocktail sticks in them to make cactus. Also using UHU glue to melt the polystyrene to make cliffs. Good times.
25:00 - сад камней, будет немного интереснее - ведь какие-то камни (стеллы) наблюдатель не видит. Вокруг какого-нибудь алтаря - эти стеллы приобретут какой-нибудь бонус или к ним могут быть прикреплена жертва (принцесса), а цель миссии - спасти эту принцессу.
Weird, confusing, video mate. It would have been great to have seen the first appearance of said scenery in say a white dwarf, the issue etc. Then, shown how influential they were. The pictures of the trees and rivers you are all to often using, are from Battlefront and Flames of war. The FOW guys were indeed, heavily influenced by the GW studios efforts. Moreover, you are showing quite a bit Bolt Action stuff.
23:41 - добавьте вероятность (например, все числа, которые делятся на "3" из кости d20) вылезания монстра из болота (тролля, ктулху, ксеноморфа, разведки врага - что ближе по сеттингу) - и никому не будет казаться, что болото легко пересечь даже на бронетранспортёре 😂
You need to get out more m8. All my Necormunda OGs wouldn't play a game w/o a good ol' pool or river of radioactive goop on the table. The competition to make it even more luminescent got p intense. Eventually someone went full Fools'n'Horses an' found some train sign paint. We all stood around like Cory Hart that day, and much braindance was enjoyed.
Emperor date my growvat monitor! We were so lucky (I think I'm talking about millennials and generation X) that grew up with the naive and honest White Dwarf and Games Workshop! Not only were they still confident to use loads of black and white artwork (printing budget or capabilities had nothing to do with it), but the artwork that was used was still genuinely "grim dark". You really felt bad for the subjects in those scenes as opposed to the art of today (which is still portrayed by the best artists working in their field) that just looks like a very (grim to the extent that marketing would allow) sanitised and carefully permitted by committee, advertising images with compositions and subject matter ensured to offend only the part of the population that had a less than 0.63% potential of becoming an new perpetual customer. It was a different world that cared most about staying true to the grim, dark setting that artists and all types of contributors (to White Dwarf, etc) clearly had an encouraged and enthusiastic freedom from their supervisors in regards to what aspects of the 40k universe they could illustrate.....my first encounter with 40k was WD 179 when I was 9....it really was a special time in GW history
Nothing in this video is specific to Games Workshop or old-Hammer or terrain making "back in the day". Everything here was and still is done today across miniature wargame battlefields everywhere. This is basically a generic terrain primer for people who know nothing about miniature wargaming. Very misleading video.
Ah the old 'Warty Thou' scenery, tis awesome. BTW Marcel did you manage to get your hands on a copy of Waaargh the Orks sourcebook? If not You can have my old copy if you like?
Sorry, but this is very painful to listen to. It's a very interesting video, I love the subject matter. But the way you are speaking is painful to listen to. Rather than reading off one word at a time, try saying a sentence at a time from memory and then editing it together. Or take the time to cut out all the delays between each word so it doesn't sound like every word has a full stop after it.
I swear there is some plagiarism going on in his script. Many of these sentences, nay - paragraphs even sound very similar to things I've read in the past. I agree he needs to internalize the material, he does not have a fluent and conversational manner.
what was the terrain like RT-2.5 ed..... cardboard or your imagination. in other words and no disrespect to the channel here but not worth the time to watch this video in time length to figure it out (if I wasn't a oldhammer type obviously).... it was junk. now it's molded overpriced junk that no one really uses.... so in 40+ years the change? none.
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A million worlds and every battlefield had 27 feet of chain link fence.
That one random super specific weird piece of cardboard packaging, chef's kiss
Love a bit of old packaging!
Chefs don't kiss their food since that's unhygienic, that's a myth originated from a random guy who sucked their fingers
GW's promotional photography had some stand out pieces of scratch built terrain. The huge circular landing pad was a standout. But I think the crashed cargo spaceship was the absolute highlight of their stuff.
No mention of the green styrofoam ball w/red toothpick cacti?
that was for 2nd and 3rd eds. don't remember the hobby class on RT era...but 1st ed warhammer fantasy was D&D and miniatures....
edit- I know 40k and RT and WHFB are different games. - a gamer of almost 50 years.
It was certainly a more creative time for wargaming / terrain scenery back then. The Terrain Tutor will teach you everything almost you need to know about modern scratch building of terrain peices, although he's having a bit of a rough time right now unfortunately. I'm getting into Warhammer The Old World so I'm modifying terrain to make it look as a sort of half way house between 1990s Fantasy Battle Terrain and modern day Old World building kits bought off the shelf.
Nostalgia man, hell of a drug.
I still use coffee cans and old deodorant sticks for scenery
Lazy
GW recently re-released their plastic hills for The Old World.
Was just about to say this.
I remember trawling through websites like Terragenesis and hivecons back in the late 90s. I really do miss seeing all the scratch built terrain. Everyone using the same game mats, premade kits and 3d printed terrain these days is so bland.
it is still doable my dude. Model train stuff, foam board, glue, cardboard, wood putty, old window screens, sponges, and all that jazz can still be obtained.
@khw1425 indeed it is which is why I miss seeing it everywhere. at shops, online, in books, magazines and clubs.
@@kirkbrownell1556 I've been out of the hobby for a while...so I probably don't know the current landscape as well as you. I will say it was always my favorite part of white dwarf, and I loved all the articles about turning aquarium plants into jungle terrain, grabbing the wierd styrofoam forms that come with electronics to hold them in place and turning them into fortifications or parts of industrial worlds...Did GW just stop promoting that or did like everyone abandon it in favor of 3D printing? because to me the DIY terrain felt so accessible, like I might have to save to get more minis, but I could just find some junk or spend $10 at the hardware store and have new terrain whenever.
@khw1425 it my opinion it really came about with the hyper focus on balance and competitive play the last 8 to 10 years. Standardized terrain kits and balanced symmetrical tables while treating the table top like an arena.
@@kirkbrownell1556 mmmmm...I mean I guess that makes some sense...but like for just enjoying it kinda sucks...While I did play at official GW stores I never got into tournaments and like most of us were just stoked to be playing at all.
Still got and use all the card warhammer buildings and scratch build houses from 30 years ago and still use the one foot square total terrain system polystyrene boards for my tables in green and sand also the hills proberly nearly 40 years now.
2 years ago I scratch built enough ruined buildings to play 3rd ed 40k cityfight on a 6x4 board I must share them on the discord some time .
Got back into the hobby after 20 years. Started building my own terrain after the MESBG magazines and books. Love it. The old world mountains are easy and quite nice
Am I imagining things, or is the hill at 3:42 as you mention they are made out of polystyrene foam ironically the rigid plastic Citadel hill that came in the Battle of Five Armies box, alongside being sold separately?
I think you might be right!
I used to have hedges on my 40k boards back in the day, simply because all my terrain as a kid was looted from my dad's model railway scenery.
GW used to make a hill that split in half so it could become two hills on the side of the battlefield. Our games workshop in Katy Texas had one back in the late 2000s. Just found your channel and it seems pretty great.
Ahhh, memory's. I had a blast setting up the table top. I played the GM for WHFB 3rd edition.
Was present when rolling spells. And Army units deployed on the map. (Ahh, good times to see the expression on the Generals faces as both army's are deployed)
I am from the Rogue trader era and made whole cities hills and trees from various materials.
Cardboard and polystyrene led on to foam board and later GW plastic hills.
I was discussing laser cut buildings with a GW manager who told me that it's easier for them to let other manufacturers to produce and sell scenery and trees etc to save GW money on production and packaging etc.
Plus I don't think they can compete on price.
Many historical players still make their own terrain.
I personally used to like a river and a bridge!! To fight over.
26:00 ...mites are on the ground, the ...tit(e)s hang down.
My man, GW sells its old hills (set of 2) from The Old World on its modern website. This is fairly recent, however.
I saw that! I wonder how old those moulds are?
@@SnakeWorksStudio I think around 20 years. Which isn't necessarily crazy considering GW has plenty of models its been making for over 20 years (some Eldar models are approaching 30!)
I used to make alot of terrain back in the early 2000s...Lichen didn't always want to be glued down, didn't hold up in storage, and would get crumbly after a while...you could just have a pouch of loose lichen and place it as needed. Always glued flock though. Generally you'd clean the surface underneath after the glue was dried and shake it off, try to collect the leftover flock and use it for the next piece or for basing.
A stalaGmite sticks up from the Ground, and a stalaCtite hangs down from the Ceiling.
I will get my coat! Classic
Hi Marcel, been watching your videos for 2 years now and just wanted to thank you for all the videos you put out. You really are a pillar of the Oldhammer community!
Hello my man! I’m glad you enjoy it! Plenty more to come!
Hills were made by Ral Partha in Cincinnati. I have a set. They were made in mid 90's for Battle Tech with and or without preprinted hexes.
GW sold hills in big bags under the Citadel label in the 90s In both flocked and unflocked varieties. I have some and it took me forever to find them as they don't come up for sale very often.
Nice use of super r-tyoe factory level music!
As an adult I had to rebuy the how to make terrain book from the 90s. One day I will build the space ship out of a peanut butter jar....One day...
The old scratch built Tau buildings are etched in my brain
Cut up brillo pad with flock glued on, also the dreaded alien cactus made from a Styrofoam ball and toothpicks (many a player was impaled upon these)
I need to make a video about those all cacti! I reckon they will be fun to make. Did you ever make them?
@@SnakeWorksStudio yes. Stuck myself on a them a few times.
When you talked about shopping carts in bogs I thought about all the tentacle bits I got that would make a great addition to a swamp. Dont have any miniature shopping carts tho haha
Yes! they will be like that thing from the trash compactor in Star Wars!
DrSpork makes an excellent printable 3d model of the bastion
Great video. Kleenex boxes, ketchup, salt and pepper shakers….back then.
I scratch build all my terrain... it lets my inner big mek out to play in a non orky project.
I just like the look and charm of well made hand crafted terrain...
Lovely mate!
That was Rouge Trader era stuff, dunno if current lore still has these planets in the lexicon of the 40k universe
Shaping polystyrene to round shapes and shoving cocktail sticks in them to make cactus.
Also using UHU glue to melt the polystyrene to make cliffs. Good times.
25:00 - сад камней, будет немного интереснее - ведь какие-то камни (стеллы) наблюдатель не видит. Вокруг какого-нибудь алтаря - эти стеллы приобретут какой-нибудь бонус или к ним могут быть прикреплена жертва (принцесса), а цель миссии - спасти эту принцессу.
Weird, confusing, video mate. It would have been great to have seen the first appearance of said scenery in say a white dwarf, the issue etc. Then, shown how influential they were. The pictures of the trees and rivers you are all to often using, are from Battlefront and Flames of war. The FOW guys were indeed, heavily influenced by the GW studios efforts. Moreover, you are showing quite a bit Bolt Action stuff.
Hard
The best
StalagMites are from the bottom. Like the spikes from the "M" show up.
If you didn't intercut yourself into the video, I would have thought this was totally written and produced by AI...
Someone thought my voice was AI too! Maybe I’m a robot!
Solid history with some sass. Love it.
23:41 - добавьте вероятность (например, все числа, которые делятся на "3" из кости d20) вылезания монстра из болота (тролля, ктулху, ксеноморфа, разведки врага - что ближе по сеттингу) - и никому не будет казаться, что болото легко пересечь даже на бронетранспортёре 😂
You need to get out more m8. All my Necormunda OGs wouldn't play a game w/o a good ol' pool or river of radioactive goop on the table. The competition to make it even more luminescent got p intense. Eventually someone went full Fools'n'Horses an' found some train sign paint. We all stood around like Cory Hart that day, and much braindance was enjoyed.
I have an Ian as well…he needs to subscribe as well. lol
Emperor date my growvat monitor! We were so lucky (I think I'm talking about millennials and generation X) that grew up with the naive and honest White Dwarf and Games Workshop! Not only were they still confident to use loads of black and white artwork (printing budget or capabilities had nothing to do with it), but the artwork that was used was still genuinely "grim dark". You really felt bad for the subjects in those scenes as opposed to the art of today (which is still portrayed by the best artists working in their field) that just looks like a very (grim to the extent that marketing would allow) sanitised and carefully permitted by committee, advertising images with compositions and subject matter ensured to offend only the part of the population that had a less than 0.63% potential of becoming an new perpetual customer. It was a different world that cared most about staying true to the grim, dark setting that artists and all types of contributors (to White Dwarf, etc) clearly had an encouraged and enthusiastic freedom from their supervisors in regards to what aspects of the 40k universe they could illustrate.....my first encounter with 40k was WD 179 when I was 9....it really was a special time in GW history
Citadel will sell hills again
Nothing in this video is specific to Games Workshop or old-Hammer or terrain making "back in the day". Everything here was and still is done today across miniature wargame battlefields everywhere. This is basically a generic terrain primer for people who know nothing about miniature wargaming. Very misleading video.
What would you like to see instead?
Why has GW not made that awesome fortification in plastic andvsold ot to us for like 200$
It used to be available from Ziterdes.
Excellent video!
Hedges were basically representing worlds where some planets were untouched by technology and the people were feral or medieval era societies
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Ah the old 'Warty Thou' scenery, tis awesome. BTW Marcel did you manage to get your hands on a copy of Waaargh the Orks sourcebook? If not You can have my old copy if you like?
Sorry, but this is very painful to listen to. It's a very interesting video, I love the subject matter. But the way you are speaking is painful to listen to. Rather than reading off one word at a time, try saying a sentence at a time from memory and then editing it together. Or take the time to cut out all the delays between each word so it doesn't sound like every word has a full stop after it.
I swear there is some plagiarism going on in his script. Many of these sentences, nay - paragraphs even sound very similar to things I've read in the past.
I agree he needs to internalize the material, he does not have a fluent and conversational manner.
what was the terrain like RT-2.5 ed..... cardboard or your imagination. in other words and no disrespect to the channel here but not worth the time to watch this video in time length to figure it out (if I wasn't a oldhammer type obviously).... it was junk. now it's molded overpriced junk that no one really uses.... so in 40+ years the change? none.
Back when the game wasn't just shitty L shaped buildings and.. actually fun.
I have to admit ive made a few L shaped buildings in my time!