Why the Indian Challenger will NEVER beat the Harley Road Glide
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This is why I don't think the Indian Challenger stands a chance against the Harley Davidson Road Glide. I still think the Challenger looks like an awesome bike though! Till next time y'all, keep it weird #shadetreearmy - Авто та транспорт
My Harley is liquid cooled as well..with my tears every time I make the payment 😂
LOL 😂😂😢
That's awesome.😁
You win the internet today.
You have to give HD Credit for financing and Insuring anyone who wants a bike..
LMAO
There is only one thing wrong with the Challenger. That one thing is, I don't own one.
J.M.Klipstein , yes the Polaris Challenger seems to be a good bike, so is Suzuki’s Intruder. 😀👍
Or the Kawasaki Vaquero.
I agree my friend
Lmao
@@TheMike0070 That's what everyone is saying.. They say the Challenger is so much better than and HD that it can compete heads up with the Honda , Yamaha , Suzuki and Kawasaki V-Twins in quality handling and performance.. but it may cost more..
But hey is has an American iconic Name .. and mostly made in the USA
I have to say the road glide has been out for years, the challenger is barley out and already has the road glide beat in every aspect but, you have a right to your opinion😃
Did you actually watch the video? He never said it didn’t.
Barely
@@barackblows1942 lol
Both bikes are awesome, no hate coming from here. The only thing is the price tag on both are ridiculous.
You will have to settle for the used hand me downs .. same thing I am considering..
The only reason the general bagger market has the price tags that they do is bcus of what competition charges ......and people still buy them
Agreed with everything you said Shadetree and I do love how you say it. Rode the Challenger at an Indian Demo event last weekend. Damn nice bike, couldn't get over how comfortable it was and let me tell ya it will go. Personally I don't care what Matt Laidlaw has to say about it I think the Challenger fairing looks better than the Road Glide. If I had to pick between the two it'd be Challenger all the way. The biggest compliment I can give it is that it had me wondering just how much they'd give me on trade for my 2018 Street Glide Special.
Lol my Harley friends get pissed when I mention Craig Vetter and fixed fairings. Full disclosure I own 6 Harleys, love them but I like motorcycles more than a "brand"
Doesn't matter to me, I just love motorcycles 😎
Same here, I’ve owned mostly Yamaha’s, but I’ve ridden all kinds of bikes, and while they are not all something I would own, I’ve enjoyed reading every one.
"YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" - BMW and Gandalf
God damned straight
Seems like more and more often, when I hear about some new motorcycle industry news that people think is amazing and ground breaking I find myself saying "Didn't Kawasaki already do that?"
LOL! Dude I love team green... let’s see a new KZ done up police style!
I think its time for a new H2 powered Eliminator.
@@jasongraham3488 That would be fucken awesome! Been wanting a V MAX but I love Kawasaki, if they ever produced the combo you mentioned Id buy it immediately! PEACE!!!!
shadetree surgeon even better another Vulcan 750 (without the stat or issues)
I would love to see an Eliminator H2 but I don't see it happening. My heart can get lost in looking at the z900rs, but I can't justify 4 cylinder insurance and 500 pounds of bike for my use. But I am waiting patiently, if not very hopefully for a z650rs or even a z400rs.
I don't really care what Indian does. I like Harleys I know what I like and that's what I ride I don't worry about the rest. Who cares what anybody else rides about riding.
Exactly.
I agree, I am a harley rider but the Indian challenger got my attention tho.
Who cares??? Apparently most people. Which explains all the hate. A young man who I work with rides an old beat up “bobber” Honda Rebel to work nearly every day. It looks like something out of the Mad Max movie and I love it. It has character and he’s actually RIDING his bike, not posing.
💯 Harley-Davidson all day. Don’t care what’s out there or what people ride.
Fan boys are the worst.
Here's the review I've been waiting for! Hahaha! Well done!
Thanks man!!
I took this clickbait quicker than a Shadetree wipeout on his dirt bike! Awesome comments!!
Thanks man!
Love my harley, for me it's personally down to the aesthetics of the bike, simple as that.
I went from the Kawi 1700 to the challenger. No comparison in quality or performance. Indian, hands down. The only thing close is how the challenger is as nimble as the Kawi is.
Harley's real competition is Rolex, Mercedes and Sunseeker
Nick S, daaaaannnng son. Even managed to throw in the Sunseeker reference to throw off the guys saying; Yeah! Bunch of Rolex bikers!” and “Grrrrrr! Mercedes driving wannabe bikers with their glue-on ponytails hanging out of their half shells!” Stupid Sunsee... Who?”
John H... good shout mentioning Sunseeker. I live in Poole, England... the home of Sunseeker. Beautiful boats... massive investments.
Steve Cotterill, we see a lot of them in Florida.
The fact is you now have choices. If your brand loyal then be the sheep you are and ride. That's all that matters.
@@stevecotterill7981 Far away from being a custom boat, Sunseeker. i would say more a Cigarette or some of the custom sport fish boat builder in Carolina of Florida.
This video format is by far my favorite kind that you do. Your bike rants are unmatched anywhere across the internet.
Well shit, thanks man :)
Agreed
Agreed, as real as they get.
I agree with this alot... I am sub'd but I will be honest and say I don't know the last time I made it through an entire video. This one, I did.
Best bike roasts on the web. His Triumph Bobber slam had me smiling for days.
“It will melt your fucking face off “
Best. Comment. Ever.
There’s a lot of people who want the American Harley but not the low reliability. Bam! American modern bagger arrives. I dig it
The Cherry Bomb , if only that was true. But, it is not. Spend some time on the Indian forums.
Newer Harley's are leaps and bounds more reliable than the AMF stigma that hovers around the name.
Silverbulletzx3 , yes it is amazing how Harley haters perpetuate those claims. Same with American car makers, etc.
Dave I’m a Harley owner, not a hater. But I can admit the poor quality control has reared its ugly head the last 3 years at the MoCo
The Cherry Bomb , quality control and reliability are not necessarily related. I had a couple recalls, but no reliability concerns.
"BMW k1600 will melt your Fn face off " ... lol that was great ..
When you buy a Harley, you are buying more than the motorcycle itself. As a new RG owner, I think the Challenger is a better package. But there is always going to be a better bike that exists compared to the one you own.
I am glad you brought up the fact that Japanese have had liquid cooled twins and V4s since way back that had better performance. Even BMW is a late bloomer!!
I thought black guys only ride Hayabusas?
@@Darkest_Soul_187 Im sure theres a black dude that has logged more miles than you can dream of lol.
The Wild One Never have been a fan of the BUSA culture.....LOL.
D Koresh I own 4 bikes including the 2020 Roadglide, 2008 Concours C14, Honda CBR854RR and a Lifan KPMini 150. I just traded in my VFR800 and a Harley Fatbob114. I do about 30K miles a year.
@phineashenshaw that's awesome man! I'm limited to 1 bike now but would like get a super motor to pair with my HD road king. I just think people online are stupid. Just because you're black you have to ride a busa. Just cause I'm white doesnt mean I love my cousins an hate spicy food. Lol
I own a 2015 Road Glide with a tire shredder - I love this bike. That being said if H-D had added the vrod motor and a 6 speed I would have owned that too!
My man with the unbiased opinion 😤 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thank you. Someone finally mentions the vetter fairing.
Moto Maverick 1988 KZ1300 6 cyl full dress Vetter set up one of the best I’ve ever had
I actually put a Vetter fairing on a HD Dyna and it worked incredible and i loved it but everyone made fun of it and said it looked like Prince's Purple Rain Honda ! hahahaha
and the Vaquero
is this the only vlog you watch?at least 3 other vloggers have comments about the vetter fairing,that ive seen
@@tpo12000 who ?
INCONCEIVABLE!!! lmao I love this video so hard. Knockoffs of Knockoffs of Knockoffs....you are so right. Just get out there and ride damn it. Great video hun.
Thanks!! :)
The Sicilian!
I hear your opinion. I’m still gonna try and convince my wife she needs that challenger.🤘🏾
I don't like baggers......
Think I'll stick with my 05 Dyna which would accelerate from 0 to jail time in about 7 seconds but always starts gets 50mpg and sounds terrific and is completely paid off ......
If I wanted to go fast I'd buy a liter bike or a Hayabusa
0 to 60 mph .....7 seconds... were you pushing the bike?
Yeah, my Dyna is paid off and I don’t have to go into debt up to my eyeballs.
@@tmann0901 I said o to jail time not 60
I loved my Dyna, but my Street Glide is more suited for what I do. I also know a few guys with baggers that will out perform most Dynas in the twisties.
I own a Harley, and love it. I have often asked myself for years why hasn't Kawasaki done more with the Vaquero. I agree with you in that it is a better looking bike than the Challenger or the Road Glide. If it had a bigger engine and an updated radio, Indian wouldn't be challenging Harley, Kawasaki would be challenging both.
Here’s to hopin man!
As a Vaquero owner and enthusiast, I must say they are going to kill off the Vaquero soon. They can not even get MSRP out of them in sales. Still a very good bike though. I think they will come up with a new platform before they up date anything on the Vaqueros. 11 year run so far and not much in any changes.
Dda Ohio I agree. I think the Kawasaki Vaquero is an awesome bike. For the money, you can’t beat it if you’re in the market for a bagger with fairing and radio. Plus, the ABS linked brakes are excellent.
Mike Barr it seems all they do is change the colors every year. Too bad, it’s a great motorcycle.
@@GARamblinMan yup just colors, and now only 1 color per year used to get 2 colors per year. Also think the European exahast for 2022 or so the motor will not pass so Voyager will also disappear. Progress??
I watched a plethora of love fest reviews of the Challenger. What I noticed most was that comparing it with the Road Glide was kind of an apples and oranges comparison. I think the Challenger frame and suspension is more similar to the Softail line. I've had both the Road Glide and the Ultra Glide for long distance highway/ interstate touring, and I loved them for that. I rode the Tail of the Dragon on my Ultra and hated it. I rode it on my wife's Sportster and had a blast. I guess I've never ridden a "performance" tourer, so I guess I should just shut up. "Old Bald Fat Guy w/Cane" keeping it weird!
Oh! And I forgot to say: BEST VIDEO ON CHALLENGER ON UA-cam!!!!
I have a 19 softail deluxe and a 22 Challenger. The Challenger is leaps above my softail, Id compare its performance and ride
More to a gold wing. From a performance and ride perspective, the road glide is plain inferior .
I love how you always shed some sensible reasoning on topics like this.
That engine in a Springfield Dark Horse would be awesome.
Yeah man, I hope they build a whole new midsize bike around it
Awesome, and probably some injuries as a cruiser rider twists the throttle for the first time and isn't ready for what comes out!
Damon Payne the stock Springfield isn’t lacking for power. It also has great brakes and decent handling for its weight. But yeah, I’m sure it would surprise some people!
@@knerdrider Yea I have a '19 Chieftain Dark Horse, still think that 108 in a 500lb bike would be nutty.
Yes I agree offer that engine in all their bikes
At least for a few more years Harley will maintain their market share due to brand recognition. I hope they don't try to keep relying on it though.
Great video! I have ridden both and it is Awesome. Wish it was a Harley! Gotta say a base one is 22k and to get a road glide to this spec would take 42k (as per laidlaws performance bagger build.) and it still wouldn’t have monoshock setup and liquid cooled motor it may find a place in my garage next to my 2 Harleys.
The only place I come for my motorcycle reviews.
Keep it up!
Thanks man!
Tag matt laidlaw! Lol that dude is crying like a little girl!
"Any book that has elves, orcs, and questing is automatically a Tolkien ripoff,"
Well, actually....
Yep, any D&D player can tell you that. Unfortunately the rip-off is the Goldwing.
Lots of awesome stuff right there and good points. Thank you
I test rode the RG 114 a few months back, and I test rode the Challenger last weekend. All I can say is, hands down the RG can’t hold a candle to the Challenger. The power coming out of that 108 was amazing! Not to mention all the tech that comes with the bike.
Surgeon tell the HD dealer in LA to double up on his meds. The engine from Indian is fantastic 👍👍
I'm still trying to figure out why I'd want a bike that has the entire front end of a Civic mounted on it.
When you’re doing 90-100mph down the highway for long periods of time and it’s 40 degrees and freezing cold 🥶 you’ll understand why.
You are no doubt a butt harley douche bag, so just shut the fuck up.
Thanks for another honest review 🤘🏻
Frickin g perfect, love ur vids!!🍺
You’re starting a huge fight I hope you know has no winners 😎
As usual 😂
I'm glad they came out with this bike. I like watching grown men cry and argue about nothing. I'm surprised you didn't bring out the "real biker" character for this one....lol
Lol that woulda been a good one 😂
HELL YEA!!!
I like this dude and seems knowledgeable about these bikes. Thanks for the video!
Hey ShadeTree! Agree with your analysis but this IS a bike I'd buy. My own words:
"The Challenger is a bridge product: those who have some nostalgia, and US home-bias, and want an American V-Twin but not enough to go get an air cooled machine. They also want performance and technology, but not enough to go get a BMW or a GoldWing. They want reliability, not the promise that “If you break down there’s Harley dealers everywhere!”
This motorcycle is a bridge for all those who want technology and dial-tone reliability, gas mileage and turn by turn directions, but who also have to admit that an American muscle machine is just plain cooler than a GoldWing. People who appreciate the engineering of a turbocharged Subaru but who might buy a Dodge Challenger or a Mustang instead for the exhaust sound and the body style."
twowheeledthoughts.com/2019/11/06/i-want-an-indian-challenger/
I have to agree with you, I'm more excited for the engine than the bike
Me too. I don't like fairings at all, but that engine in a slightly smaller stripped down bike...
Finally a UA-camr that gets it. No one buys a Harley because of the spec sheet. For the Indian guys to say the Challenger will put Harley out of business because of the spec sheet is just dumb.
I love being able to work on my Harley (I don’t always love how much that costs me but it is what it is). During the harsh Canadian winter working on my bike is what gets me through until the next riding season. It’s fun to take a bike and make it better than it was when you bought it.
I think a lot of people forget about the guys who love to tinker
I don't know why I only watch your videos off and on (I am a subscriber), and I've gotta say, you're review (view) of the Indian Challenger is probably the best I've seen yet; honest and straight forward. Good job keeping it real. Guess I need to watch you more often.
Best video on the subject that I’ve seen! Made me subscribe too.
My favorite bike is the Harley that I'm on.. my second favorite is my other Harley. My third is the Harley in the shed. My fourth is the Harley leaking in the corner of the garage.
Commitment to mistakes... Honorable. Dumb, but honorable.
@@AmericanOutlaw thanks
K1600 is the best touring bike ever produced on this planet
@D. W. yup I tryed one. And that bike is the best riding bike I've every ridden.
When I saw that photo released I thought, "Come on Indian! You're going to come out with another massive expensive bagger to cater to an ever shrinking market only in North America?" Coming out with small capacity bikes like a 500 CC FTR would have been interesting and most of the world rides smaller bikes if Indian really wants sales volume.
Nah, they seem to want to just nip at HDs heels.
can you buy a new Road Glide for 28K?
@@tomedwards159 no way man. I could afford something like a Rebel. I'm such a peasant.
You know why I truly love your videos. You’ll say your opinions in the best funniest way ever then end it with my favorite line which is “don’t let me tell you what to like and what to buy” a lot of people forget that. Keep on the hard work. Looking forward to meet you boss
Bikes with frame mounted fairings remind me of my old walleyed gym coach. You're going left and the fairing is pointed in another direction. They freak me out. Not a fan.
The advantage is the mirrors are useful while in a turn instead of pointing at the ground and the sky. Once I got a fixed fairing bike I have no interest in going back to handlebar mounted mirrors.
@Mod Zozer That seems stupid. Ehh, yank tanks.
Advantage of a frame mounted fairing is less weight on the front suspension. They corner harder easier. Difference between the cornering ability of a Vic Vision & a Cross Country. The Vision easily out corners it.
@Mod Zozer I stated that that I much prefer frame mounted mirrors and when you said that the challenger and road glide have handlebar mounted mirror i replied that it was a stupid decision to do so. What exactly is confusing you about my position on mirror placement.
Easy. Never go Left.
Honestly I love my harley and the culture not only around motorcycle's but, the culture around the bar and shield also. If I were going to dump that much money into any kind of bagger I'd get the Cadillac of them and purchase a Honda Goldwing but, I love my fxdc and I don't plan on changing anytime soon. Let's face it, I couldn't afford a bike like the Harley Roadglide, Indian Charger or a Honda Goldwing right now anyways so who am I to say anything about those bikes I can only dream about.
Run Tyler Run yeah, but you got an fxdc. so who needs a Road Glide. Keep On Rocking.
GW is a great bike. I've owned 2. Very uncomfortable for the rider(especially as my knees get older) and seems very cramped. Xlnt for the passenger though. Besides, your comparing a horizontally opposed 6 cylinder to a V-Twin. 2 really different rides.
Goldwing is the way to go.
I was wanting a new bike, looked at HD because I always wanted one. (That was a HOLY SHIT moment) Looked at Honda and wound up with a brand new Goldwing F6B for $14,298.00 never looked back.
more happiness brought to you by STS. thanks for putting fun into the afternoon break. I think I'll watch another.
First time viewer...loved the video...keep making I'll keep watching...
Right on, my dude! When I heard people like Laidlaw throwing some high school level shade at the challenger, the first thing I thought of was the Windjammer! I'm glad other people know what's up. Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery, anyway?
I knew there was something about that fairing but just couldn’t place it. Yup, F-150, that’s it!
Vulgaren2012 , yep, which I hate the look of.
Well done! A review that has all the players sitting at the table ! 😃
Haha.... great vlog man!!!!!! Love it! Yeah I think that exiting times are ahead for “us” customers as competition is always good!!! I love the way that Indian is back in the game and can’t wait to see what a Harley will come up with! Greetings from UK!
Baggers are just Honda Civics with the doors taken off {{{soft spitting sound}}} 🤣🤣🤣
If you want wind protection, stay in a car. Bikes are supposed to be out in the open.
Still gonna be here riding my shovelhead. Hope you doctors enjoy em
Harley is doing a really good job at losing business on its own
Good stuff ST!!!
Great video! I'm a Harley rider and I can't believe how people have been losing their minds over the Challenger. I think it's a great motorcycle. If I had the extra cash, it may have a spot in my garage!
I like both of these bikes who ever gives me the best deal I’ll buy it if I had the money
Harley Davidson is an apparel company that sells motorcycles. Polaris is a recreational vehicle company that sells recreational vehicles. Does anyone remember the Harley tax after you purchased the bike? I do,
Harley even has 2 fixed fairing models that predate the road glide if we’re splitting hairs
What I like best about the Challenger is that it shows that Indian is working hard to bring something to the table for everyone. It couldn't be more different from the retro Chieftain platform. The PowerPlus motor was designed and patented by Victory several years back to replace the Freedom motor, which good as it was, did not meet the upcoming EU pollution standards. Victory was always about power coupled with extreme durability so I am more than glad to see Indian moving in that direction, so much so, in fact, that I expect the Challenger to be my next new Victory. Good chat.
Best video so far about the Indian Challenger!
How much does that bagger weigh in the window?
been refreshing this channel waiting ever since the announcement of the bike, i knew he’d have a logical take on this “controversial” bike
Shade Tree!! You absolutely KILLED it with this video!
Shadetree, it's been almost a year since you put this video out. Any chance you're considering a test ride and then a follow up video?
Good Video great points I have a motorcycle Video facebook page we had a huge discussion about this I wish I had this video like 2weeks ago lol. Keep them coming.
Thank you. Very pragmatic and honest. You include non-American motorcycles, well done! Riding is all about emotions, not just horsepowers, blah, blah, blah... HD will always have its place in the motorcycle world, because its positioning and strategy have always been very clear. You know what you buy when you buy a HD and you know that it will retain its value. I've subscribed to your channel.
Great vid,on point!
Oh shit! Awesome seeing you on here, thanks man :)
The Indian will never beat HD, except in power.......and handling......and braking.....and comfort.....
Thank you! The Vaquero is my favorite looking fixed faring bike.
Finally!!! Someone that makes sense! WTG Shadetree!
“A bunch of cam shafts” killed me 😂
Great video. The best part about it is I learned how to pronounce vaquero.
Preach it brother!!!
I don't have any interest in the type of motorcycles your videos are about but I like watching your videos! NO BS, no BIAS, just telling it like it is from someone that has an appreciation and passion for anything and everything in the world of motorcycles, and that is something I can respect. Keep pumping out great videos man!
Liked and subscribed , I just sold a 81 Suzuki GS750L , have 3 Yamaha’s and a Harley ..02 Road ..love it even though probably scoffed at by some ... we are all on 2 wheels ..I love that ANY company comes out with new products for us ! Respect to you for speaking your mind..
I appreciate your video solidfying my decision in getting a challenger or pursuit one of these days .... every reason Harley tries to give actually is not my mindset ... the only advantage I believe Harley has is there are more locations than Indian but i dont want to spend more of my hard earned money for less bike ... Thanks for the shout out for Kawasaki .... I currently own a V2k
Love how you do your vlogs... you are the Macho man Randy savage of Moto vlogging... love it 👍👍👍👍👍
Love the comparisons with model pop-ups. Weird scientist meets modern day pirate persona is entertaining
Harley has a history and cult following not only in the USA but also around the world! I own a Harley and will ride nothing but Harley’s until I can’t ride anymore!
you hit the nail on the head with this vid
I’m interested to see how harley reacts and hope that it forces them to make drastic improvements to all of their bikes to stay competitive.
Nailed it! Shared on the Indian FB group.
They may boot me for posting it lol
😂😂😂
I forgot about the Vetter wind jammer...good find!
I personally love the Challenger’s look and it seems to be an amazing and solid bike. But here where I am... it’s not rocket science: the Challenger costs like 1000USD more than the Road Glide LIMITED and about 1300 more than the Special. And the pluses are not thaaaaaat many.
So far...this is the best explanation review. You makes too much sense!!!
Homework done, Mr Surgeon!
The only thing I miss is a mic drop at the end 😉
I have a 1974 Harley ( fixed fairing) it was called the liberator fairing. I think it was only sold 1 or 2 years
One of the best rants yet!!!!!!
HD should change the name of the Road Glide to the Champion just for giggles.
Great, shade tree personally love all bugs liquid cooling is a big asset