@icebergslimtv6377 come on its not the same thing... he already won 6 rings and he wanted to prove he could win without Mj. And everyone over 33-34 that haven't one in their prime started chasing rings... it was always the case... when we talk about ring chasing in the modern era is about mvp candidates in their prime team up instead of competing against each other
@@redzoz I’ll agree it’s not apples to apples but watching how he was moving when he had the opportunity to move proved to me he would’ve been no different if he played in this era
Whenever Shaq brags to Charles Barkley about how he has 4 rings and Charles has none he seems to forget that he had to leave Orlando in order to get those rings
Exactly. Chasjng it and still coming up short compared to sticking around the team that drafted you during the hard times and building a dynasty while winning more rings in way less time....this shouldn't be a debate at all
6:16 Haha It’s pretty much Isiah Thomas keeping it alive. I don’t know when that segment of The Last Dance was filmed, but Isiah Thomas saw Michael Jordan the GOAT talk about it on the docu-series, but he started acting as if MJ recently sat down and made the comments on a podcast. Over the last 4-5 years, since The Last Dance was shown on ESPN, Isiah Thomas has been talking about it on every podcast. First, Isiah Thomas demanded an apology from Michael Jordan and Jordan completely ignored him and never responded. And then about a year and half later, Isiah Thomas begged Michael Jordan for an apology - Michael Jordan ignored him again and never responded. And then about a year and a half or so later, Isiah Thomas begged Michael Jordan to do a sit down, like Isiah Thomas did with Magic Johnson, and of course Michael Jordan ignored him once again and never responded. So after being ignored and dismissed for 4 to 5 years, Isiah Thomas does a full 180 by now criticizing LeBron James and the LeBron James Era for ignoring the mid-range jump-shot and load-managing, while praising Michael Jordan for mastering the mid-range jump-shot and never cheating the game like LeBron James and his era does. Michael Jordan has never brought up the subject in real-time or in any other fashion outside of The Last Dance documentary. Even the Queen LeBron-sniffer himself, Shannon Sharpe, begged Isiah Thomas to let it go and to stop talking about it because as Sharpe said, Michael Jordan couldn’t care less to reconcile with Isiah Thomas, just as MJ doesn’t care to ever reconcile with Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen.
Well said here. Yeah i reacted to a IT pod with Mark Jackson and i skipped the section they talked about the no handshake thing because he always goes on an on about it
That got a lil spicy lol. Pippen 100% went disco ball on the GOAT question lol. It's nice to hear him talk reasonably about Basketball and his peers for the most part .
I have a theory of why Scottie Pippen may have an issue with Lebron cause his son (Scottie Pippen) horrible experience with throw under the bus and get trade
or maybe lebron ain’t that damn good and scottie saying how he feel😂 why it always gotta be a theory to u dudes why somebody dnt like lebron when he just told u i watched him and he ain’t that damn good to me
Yea because at one time he was saying LBJ was better than MJ now it seems like he don’t like neither. I get the Jordan beef but I think you may be right when it comes to his son. His son probably told him behind the scene things about LeBron. Idk but it does seem like he’s harder on LeBron than he was in the past.
5:51 Does Scottie Pippen mean that 13 assists is about 30 extra points by the assists alone? Because if my math is correct, a guard who averages 20 and 10 is an average of at least 40 points.
Great point about Dominique not making the Dream Team, he should have at least been there instead of Laettner. Bottom line is, Isiah Thomas was an unsportsmanlike player and the Dream Team was made of true sportsmen and competitors, who valued fair play and respect. When he and his Pistons decided to live up to their bad boys moniker, going out to injure players, walking off without shaking hands, that's when he lost the respect of his peers. Greeting about it makes him look worse.
27:52 Maybe it’s different regionally because nobody in Los Angeles, California was saying that Wilt Chamberlain was the GOAT because people around my age didn’t see Wilt Chamberlain and then in the 1980s and 1990s there were no internet and social media. Even now with the internet and social media, it’s still very difficult to find Chamberlain clips and I’m not sure full games of Wilt and/or Russell are even online. So without the internet, at least people in my age group in the 1990s didn’t really know about Wilt’s numbers or anybody’s numbers, unless you read it in a book or magazine…..which were not readily available for everybody. NBA games could only give you so much information. One of the major reasons why the NBA GOAT debate is such a phenomenon today is because of the readily available information of basketball statistics and information, and the ability to connect with people, share information, and debate with just about any basketball fan in the world. But without this abundance of historical basketball information, we just went off what we saw, and I think that most basketball fans in Los Angeles, California thought that Magic Johnson was the GOAT, which is one of many reasons why the 1991 NBA Finals and Marv Albert’s “Oh, a spectacular move by Michael Jordan” was both pivotal and historic because it was a passing of the GOAT torch in many people’s eyes. Michael Jordan defeated the man who had become the best player on a historic dynasty with Kareem Abdul-Jabar and Michael Jordan defeated the man who bested Larry Bird from college to the pros, and Larry Bird played for the greatest dynasty that also retired the jersey of the man who “dominated” Wilt Chamberlain in route to 11 Championships in only 13 NBA Seasons. It just hit me that even that Skap Attack guy ranks Bill Russell over Wilt Chamberlain in terms of who owned the 1960s. So maybe you guys in your area of the country thought that Wilt Chamberlain was the Goat, but I think that it was Magic Johnson in LA. Magic Johnson’s non-assist stats were not pretty, but he was a 6’9” forward who played point guard for his entire career and he won the Finals MVP playing center in his very first season, Magic Johnson went to nine NBA finals, won 5 out 9 Finals for 5 championships, 3 Finals MVPs, 3 Michael Jordan Regular Season MVPs, 4 Assists Titles, 2 Steals Titles (so 1 more Steals Titles than Scottie Pippen and 1 less than Michael Jordan), and he won the NCAA National Championship, and all of this by the very young AGE of only 29 years old. And then he came back while Michael Jordan was the Undisputed GOAT and Magic Johnson won the NBA Kobe Bryant All-Star MVP (with HIV) back when the All-Star Game was respected as the best versus best all playing almost to their best abilities. So I think that people saw Goat-ness without the crazy stats because of his successful dominant versatility. Maybe others have or heard other pre-Michael Jordan Goats, besides Wilt and Magic, in other areas of the country. But I will say that it appears that the Los Angeles Lakers may be the most popular team in the United States. I think that everybody is used to seeing a bunch of Los Angeles Lakers fans who are not from Los Angeles, California. And everybody loved Magic Johnson as a person and as an ambassador for the game and the NBA, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Magic Johnson was the Goat for a lot of people before Michael Jordan became the undisputed GOAT of professional basketball.
Haha It just hit me that Scottie Pippen is going to call Earvin “Magic” Johnson the GOAT in this interview, maybe even in this segment of the interview. But Scottie Pippen is a horrible flip-flipper because he’s called Wilt Chamberlain the Goat in the past, as well as he’s called both Michael Jordan and LeBron James the Goat, so Scottie Pippen has lost some credibility at this point.
Also Charles Barkley said that the greatest compliment that a basketball player can receive is that he makes his teammates better, and I think that we would all agree that nobody did that better than Magic Johnson, until Michael Jordan appeared.
Interviewer was/is hella irritating. 😂 I honestly feel like Scottie was holding it together in the beginning, then the darkness started looming once he was asked those awkward, point blank questions. At the same time, I feel like Pip knows he said some shit about MJ he can never take back, but still kinda wants to give that respect, if you will, to Jordan. If you really look at the situation between MJ and him, MJ (as far as I know) still hasn't said anything negative about Pippen and still holds him in high regard.
MJ still to this day has said nothing negative about Pippen. The interviewers job is hard here because we all know pippen said MJ was a terrible pkayer, teammate etc and Phil is a racist. Yet, Pippen wont acknowledge it. Thats where this tention is cuz instead of just discussing why he said those things Pippen is evading it at all costs lol
Wasn't Dominique injured at the time of the 1992 Olympics? I think he ruptured his Achilles that season, so while he incredibly recovered for the next season, I doubt he was ready in time for Barcelona.
Grand rising my friend, part 1 surprised me, I taught Scotti would be still hating on MJ, let's see what happened in this part, let the show begin bro.
I like Scottie and I do believe that someone did get in his ear and say something to the effect of, "Michael is calling himself the GOAT in the Last Dance" and Scottie believed them and he is too proud to admit that
My brother and i think so too. During that whole Fallout after the last dance we were trying to figure out why Scottie turned on everyone who helped his achieve greatness. I think his people definitely were in his ear making the last dance seem much worse than it was.
25:30 yeah I think what he meant is the debates I heard when I was a kid was hypothetical and were opinions and in 90s was the first time I heard a consensus in MJ as the greatest... The debate we are having now is 100% created by media
Yeah its completely different. In the 80s everyone older would say "Magic is the best right now but Wilt is the best to ever do it". In the 90s it started changing each ring Jordan won. But it wasn't really a debate. It happened over time
@TheRealMindCrime yeah exactly people would say their opinion end of the story, maybe a bit heated at the barber shop but anyways all in fun.... I never heard someone say negative things about magic to prove bird was the best for example, and it is what irritates me the most in these annoying debates nowadays
Scottie Pippen seems like a nice guy. I can understand him too. It certainly wasn't easy with someone like Michael Jordan and for all his criticism he speaks respectfully of Michael.
@@chaepark8720 It seems that the people who grew up with the 90s Bulls need Michael and Scottie to be friends. That's why Scottie is constantly asked questions about Michael, even though he was a first class basketball player himself.
I never had any issues with scottie until he started bashing MJ and Phil, the 2 guys with him every step of the way during their most successful years.
29:04 by Scottie’s reasoning he has a point. He has multiple All Defensive Teams and All-Star Teams, a MVP candidate, and a 200 steals 100 blocks season.
30:35 I think another uniqueness about basketball is there’s technically no specific roles. I mean it’s grown that way. But there’s nothing specific saying you have guards ans centers. Baseball, pitcher. Hockey, goalie. So many quarterback rules in football, kicker too. So, across positions that’s easier. You’re all just ball players.
I said it before and I'll say it again. If prime Scotty Pippen played in Lebron's era, he'd put up bigger numbers than Lebron and win more chips. He's not lying.
@@TheRealMindCrimethank you it's one thing to say you issues with his MJ take but Bron?? He has more than Bron they don't win six without both and he's right about those who didn't win a title
Interviewer just mined Scottie for controversy, and while I have some empathy for Scottie, that's about it. There's always a different side to every story, we can only call BS if he made a contradictory comment or behaved in a different manner during the instances cited. Scottie is a great two-way player who was a big factor in the team success Jordan achieved. But Jordan took off from the get-go while Scottie began his rise only in his third season. His main problem was mental strength. He was never meant to be the lead guy. As for Jordan off-court I don't buy Scottie's BS that they were never friendly, maybe not close friends but likely the sourness in their relationship resulted from jealousy. Yes, Jordan could be difficult but at least he was straightforward, that even his greatest rivals acknowledge him even though they didn't like him, save for a few hold-outs like Karl Malone, Isiah Thomas, and Bill Laimbeer. Isiah has made a living on being left off the Dream Team, and personally, it's good that he has been left out, because his whining is tantamount to disrespecting the people who were selected. There are only 12 slots and while his Pistons were back-to-back champions, Isiah didn't have a clear performance advantage over Stockton. Other than Laettner, everyone had a strong case to be selected, though I waver between picking Dominique over Pippen, but that became moot because Wilkins was not fully recovered from injury by the time they started playing the Tournament of the Americas qualifiers.
8:27 True, Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen are the greatest dynamic duo in NBA history, but if MJ knew that Scottie was going to snake him 28 years later, then Scottie Pippen would’ve been on the Isiah Thomas/Dominique Wilkins side of history in-regards to the 1992 Dream Team. Isiah Thomas used to disrespect Scottie Pippen over this in the past. Thomas used to essentially say that he could understand Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, or Larry Bird having the power or flex to keep him off The ‘92 Dream Team, but not a Scottie Pippen. However, funny enough, I think Scottie Pippen and Isiah Thomas have a much better shot at reconciling, if they haven’t already, than either man reconciling with Michael Jordan. The GOAT is just too busy to care. 😅
The goat is definitely too busy to care lol. He just takes the high road and enjoys his life. Thats how i know he's a real one. Hes never insecure or unsure about this stuff. He let his actions speak for him
I am finding this interview fascinating. Lebron vs Pip would be a great matchup actually at forward. Im taking Pip all day though. He would make bron look like a padawan
Dude Scottie COOKED LeBum on that comment! That made me so freaking happy. And ya know what? He's 100% right. LeBum couldn't beat Scottie 1v1. Scottie was a better defender than Kobe and look what 34 year old Kobe did to LeBum in the Allstar game. Locked him down,COMPLETELY. As for u cutting these into parts, smart move MinCrime. 45 min to 1 hr is kind of the sweet spot. Even an hr is getting a little long. I'll be honest with u brother, u know I support your channel 100%. But the videos that are super long? I'm not really down with it. Maybe it's an attention span thing? Or maybe I just lose interest in the topic after a certain amount of time? I think this new approach is a great idea
Thanks Reaper! You're an OG here so I take that and hear that. The numbers definitely back you up so I think I'll split up vids whenever they go on too long.
@TheRealMindCrime I wouldn't be here if I didn't love the content. Plus u actually take the time out of your day to respond to us, the people. Without the people u don't really have a channel and alot of people forget about that over time. I always look forward to our interactions whenever I comment as I'm sure others do as well. As a subscriber it makes u feel like you're a part of something. Keep that hook under an hr, keep doing what u been doing. And this channel is gonna be here for as long as u wanna do it my friend
Yeah 100% true, BB God taken apart...Brakley, Stockton&Malone, Kemp&Payton are virtually champion too... and most of all, Reggie. Indeed he and the Pacers were the closest to end the Bulls dinasty !
27:54 I agree with Scottie Pippen, at least when I was younger even in the 1990s, in my area of California and even on television, I don’t remember people making a big deal about who was the greatest of all-time during the 1990s, however, Coach Bobby Knight was only four (4) years younger than Wilt Chamberlain, so I would bet money that Coach Bobby Knight saw Wilt Chamberlain’s entire college and NBA basketball careers, so he was an expert in basketball who actually saw full college and NBA games of Wilt Chamberlain, yet in 1984, eleven (11) years after Wilt Chamberlain retired from the National Basketball Association, the late great Coach Bobby Knight said this about Michael Jeffrey Jordan in 1984 and I quote, “In the categories of competitiveness, ability, skill, and then athletic ability, he's the best athlete, he's one of the best competitors, he's one of the most skilled players. That, to me, makes him the best basketball player I've ever seen play," said the late great Bobby Knight. So unlike Shaquille O’Neal waiting for Kobe Bryant to pass before really elevating Kobe Bryant into Michael Jordan’s GOAT Debate, Bobby Knight said that Michael Jordan was the best that he ever saw, while the late great Wilt Chamberlain was still very well and very alive. Now I will give a disclaimer by saying that best ever is probably different from the greatest ever. Some use the terms interchangeably and others regard them as very distinct. For instance, regarding the best basketball players in world history, most will say it’s Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant, but regarding the greatest basketball players in world history, most will say Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabar. So Michael Jordan fulfills both categories. Similarly, when it comes to individual statistical greatness, most will say Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain, but when it comes to team-championship greatness, most will say Michael Jordan and Bill Russell. So again, Michael Jordan fulfills both categories. Michael Jordan is so easily the GOAT of the game of basketball, that it’s not really much of a thought…..it’s just a reality that you accept and move on to who is #2 All-Time and so forth.
Oh, Scottie. These interviews he is giving me hope that he comes back from the dark side (he is looking and sounding better) and then occasionally he stabs me in the heart again. I'll keep hoping forever that fences get mended, I guess.
7:05 I think there was bad blood between Isaiah and Pippen, Bird, Jordan. Possibly more. (I never paid attention to the other EC playoff series with the pistons). If the bulls hated the “assault and battery on the way to the rim” tactics of the Bad Boys probably others did too. Magic and Thomas were friends off the court, kinda hated each other on. So a huge chunk of the team, where chemistry is an issue. I think MJ gets the blame/credit because he was big enough to cause this to happen. People want a single Big Man pulling the trigger, I think it was a team decision
Oh the Bird Celtics and the Barkley 76ers hated the Pistons too. They were very vocal about it with the media. IT wasn't on the Dream Team cuz none of the other players wanted him there. I knkw he'll never accept it, but thats the truth
I know that damn autograph next to Scotties right shoulder and i can't figure out who it is.... do you know who it is??? LL Cool J was the first person I ever heard use the acronym G.O.A.T. in one of his songs
😂 Scottie was talking in circles about thr GOAT thing. Makes me think a face to face debate between him and Lebron would be comedy gold. Lies versus contradictions
I don't know, but Pip was always a Mike's guy. He finally dropped that Le Pip character in the No bulls tour with Luc. He is defenitely a great defender than Balco and better shooter. He didn't have the post moves of a Mike or Kobe but can held his own.
Thomas showed a lack of respect for the Bulls, the NBA, and the sport. I don't want that guy representing the USA in the Olympics. I can't take the chance that in the VERY unlikely event that Team USA lost a game or he doesn't like a call, that he might just up and walk off the floor. To me, it doesn't matter if Jordan kept him off the team. Thomas had already shown his lack of sportsmanship, and we just can't have that type of representative in the Olympics. Pippen's baseball comparison is hogwash. Basketball and hockey are much more closely related and even in hockey you have one assigned position that doesn't change. The goalie. In basketball, while you have assigned roles, at any point in time a PG might have to guard a center. That doesn't happen in any other sport I can think of except maybe badminton or volleyball. AS far as the Pippen to Jordan GOAT comparison goes, please don't go there Scottie. You lose and you lose badly. Pippen: !st Team All Defense 8 times Jordan: 9 times Pippen Scoring titles ZERO Jordan: 10 Pippen: Steals Leader 1 Jordan: 3 The Wemby/Jordan thing is laughable. Put Wemby in Jordan's era and the Piston's put him in the hospital the first time they play. And I'm a total Spurs geek, but I'm not insane.
33:59 Scottie Pippen won 6 rings in 17 years, Michael Jordan won 6 rings in 15 years (technically 6 in 11 complete seasons), and LeBron James won 4 rings in 22 years. And this qualifies Michael Jordan’s success vs Scottie Pippen’s. In terms of championship-winning percentages, the longevity hurts Scottie Pippen, just as the longevity is actually destroying LeBron James. Going by averages and Michael Jordan playing 15 seasons, Michael Jordan won 2 NBA Championships every 5 years vs LeBron James who won 2 NBA Championships every 11 years.
I think it makes sense for scottie to say there is no goat because it’s a team game but because he played it best as a team game, he’s the goat in the team sense
I used to really root for Scottie. It's just just so sad to see him dodging and backpedalling and contradicting himself and not addressing the question head on like a real man. He will always be lotsa people's top 10 favorite players, recognized across the board as one of the best defenders in league history, and accredited even by Michael himself multiple times for being a major factor in them winning six. How's that for legacy? Isn't that enough for you, Scottie?! Scottie, you played next to the guy! You of all people should know you ain't getting away saying you're the GOAT.
6:10 everybody is tired of hearing it. Notice that none of the people involved go out of their way to talk about it. Isiah Thomas gets asked about it in pretty much every interview even though he's answered the question one million times
I would believe it. It does make sense that if its the first time showcasing NBA players in the Olympics you would want the league star to be showcased on the worlds stage.
I haven't sat down and watch this video yet but I will later today, but in the meantime Oh oh mindcrime, somebody better check up on the commish after that Detroit Lions whooping last night oh boy I'm worried about him😮😂
The fact that no one in the NBA current and past legends consider him in the GOAT convo. And yeah I’d rather pick Pip over LBJ. MJ would make LBJ cry in their practices.
Oh man for sure. MJ would torch Lebron for his lack of defense. Then again, if Lebron could get tough it would help him be better at defense cuz he'd have to guard MJ in practice everyday lol
I think the reason why Dominique Wilkens wasn't on the dream team was because he was injured that year. Hakeem wasn't on that dream team either and he definitely deserved to be on there
There's still some animosity between Jordan and Scottie well more accurately Scottie towards MJ lol. Any way you want to word it Isiah's choices were why he was not on the Dream Team period end of story. I'm 100% choosing Pip over Lebron for the reasons you said he plays both ends of the court at a high level, I know he's gonna get on the court every night. I don't agree with how Scottie handled certain things but I never watched Scottie take entire plays off cause he didn't get his way or a call didn't go for him so yeah Pip over Bron, Jordan over everyone haha.
Scottie over LeBron any day of the week. I think Scottie is just being slick lol but tbh he is one of the greatest but, not the greatest. I agree, it was Wilt back in the day the big thing was him scoring 100 pts in a game. MJ would destroy Wemby in the 90s and the late 80s. There’s ppl who care what happened with Isiah, idrgaf (respectfully) only because he deserved being shi**ed on, especially the way that Isiah and the Pistons did the rest of the league. When I think of great two way players in baseball I think of Willy Mays, and George Brett not someone like Dave Kingman or whatever player is just filling a lineup spot. Scottie had Brooks Robinson defense and his kind of offense…he didn’t score 50 or 60 but he did 20s and 30s and he did score 47 pts in one game, he was way above what an average player would be. The credentials to be the GOAT would be someone like Ken Griffey jr. he won HR titles, gold gloves every year from 89 to 98 he was the Jordan of baseball but…no championships. Derek Jeter in the 90s had a lot of hits but his glove wasn’t the best. But he had the winner mindset and was clutch. It’s hard but not so much in basketball because Jordan was all those rolled in one.
Agreed. On the IT walk off thing I don't know why but he still can't accept that the team he led was the definition of bad sportmanship in all fashions including how to lose without honor
I meant to say yesterday that I just don’t want to hear any celebrities politics in a divisive manner. I don’t want the media to be a catalyst to learning their politics. If it occasionally comes up and any view is acceptable I’m good with it. But I have strong personal views, but they are mine, I’m happy to share them, and I’m OK if yours are different. In fact if you have the opposite views as me I still hope that you vote because I believe in democracy, and I think you’re doing the country a service by taking part. But that’s not how the public uses politics and I don’t feel the same when celebrities are trying throw influence or judgment. But I’m a weirdo idiot.
@@TheRealMindCrime it baffles me that anyone who has ever evolved even just in nuance of their own views can’t respect the majority of views. I have trouble with most radical views of any sort. But that’s because they usually argue for the “us vs them” thing which kills the conversation in my opinion.
@@TheRealMindCrime I’m not beyond judgement but I believe in healthy debate and safe casual conversation. 🤷♀️ I appreciate the compliment! You’re also a real one.
If he said his prototype is the greatest then I’d give it consideration but he should know he himself can’t be considered the greatest playing on the same team as MJ
Scotty is criminally underratted. He's just trying to make people understand his value to those rings. He's closer to Micheal than people think. Which is the point He's dancing around.
I wish he wouldn't dance around it and just say it. MJ already credits him for it so if he just did what he used to do and talk about his part in the dynasty all would be good. It was when he started bashing phil and mj that things got weird because Phil nor MJ ever did that
@TheRealMindCrime I just dont want too see everyone turn on Scotty. Most of the time he gives Jordan the proper respect. Plus he will never sell them out regarding the dream team. Clearly Jordan had final say on who joined.
I have one question... Do you believe Scottie Pippen would have turned out as great had he gone to the Seattle SuperSonics; without being pushed as hard by MJ???
Actually, Pip was not wrong about the MJ wins may not happened without him but there is a certain degree to that as MJ may still win those championship if MJ has a player that is willing to accept that Pip role so, im saying Pip is replaceable on that Bulls team but not MJ, MJ is irreplaceable. my Conclusion is, Pip got his wins more because of MJ and not the other way around.
i think i get Pippen's point. everybody talking about who's the GOAT. forgeting it's a team sport. and Pippen is legetimately The Greatest Teammate Of All Times. nobody would've accepted and thrived that much as a shadow of Jordan. so much ego in the basketball sport. so Pippen tried to drive back the general debate about what matters the most...The Team. and that point of view also explains the betrial he felt while watching the Last Dance documentary. he felt betrayed in 95 when Phil chose Tony over him for the last shot. than betrayed again in the documentary when MJ chose to show Sottie weak moments over TONS of moments when he showed up and delivered. like in the 98 finals, when he still played with an injured back!
I think Pippen was going through a bit of a dark time, said some shit, now if he's like "nah, these other players are greater" he's just going to get trashed and called a liar.
I prefer it if he just owned up to what he said so it could end and he can move on from it. If he keeps dogding the him being goat thing, mj being a terrible basketball player thing, and phil being racist thing then it'll never go away
@TheRealMindCrime i agree, I'm not sure if it's just stubbornness/pride, or if he's trying to "stay relevant " and make money off drama. Either way, my 4 year old acts like this.
Go back and watch highlights of the season Scottie played w/o Jordan. His gameplay is reminiscent of Jordan's however, he lacks the killer instinct and leadership qualities that MJ had.
Ssshhh if anything why didn’t Chuck Daly get any heat for accepting the job without having his main man on there?!?! Talk about loyalty!?! lol. Like they say….its nothing personal, it’s just business.
@ I think they probably did…..I have to look it up. But it is crazy. Your head coach doesn’t say hey I’m not accepting the gig without my guy……I don’t think Phil J would do that.
But Scottie Pippen did try to ring chase. Did Scottie Pippen not go to Houston to team up with Barkley & Olajuwon? Did Scottie Pippen not go to Portland to team up with the nucleus of really good players they had after his one year in Houston?
Scottie already had 6 rings with one team at that time. He left Chicago because they wouldn't pay him. Totally different than a ringless prime max contract Lebron leaving Cleveland to build a super team in Miami. Like, literally completely different
I think “get you on the floor” you need to think “I’m the best here”. If you think the guy you’re facing is better, you already lost. Now, in retrospect, yeah it’s hard to say “I’m the goat because the guy next to me has all this hardware” no.
Exactly. Usually that mindset of "im the best" is while you're playing to fuel you. But after you retire and 20 years go by most people can reflect and give flowers to the greats. Like Barkley does, he thought he was the best too but now he admits it's MJ all day.
Pip over LeBruh, but Pip probably wouldn't have been as good without MJ pushing him early on. Scottie you wanna be GOAT? Where's your Bulls ring when MJ was playing baseball? At least Pip called out LeBruh 😂😂😂
I just don't know whats real anymore when it comes to Pippen saying stuff. He wasn't this way before 2020. He said stuff proudly and it always made sense to me. Now he makes my brain warp
So Pip said, he never got the MVP and Finals MVP, was he saying MJ didnt deserved those cause Pip thinks that he is the greatest?, I dont believe so, MJ got those because of what we all saw and how heavy is MJs impact compared to Pip's impact. Like I said, Pip can be replaceable in the Bulls team but MJ isnt. Pip was just lucky that he was kept by the Bulls, what if, Horace was the one that Bulls kept and not him, will he be developed to what he is? I dont think so, MJ was the one who pushed him to be great, imagining every practice game that he has to guard the best player of the game so he can be the best defender of the game, if that was halted cause he wasnt kept by the Bulls, i dont think Pip will be recognized as top 50 players of all time just like he is right now.
Pip has always been a walking contradiction. It’s nothing new. The smart answer here would have been for him to say that he feels all great players see themselves as the greatest ever, but ultimately the fans make that final decision. But he’s never been great with words. It’s hard to believe he allowed to be an analyst.
@ He always used to say wild stuff that didn’t add up during his time in Chicago. It’s possible that proximity bias might be playing a role here for me, as my perspective on this is a bit more jaded than most. Still, the rate at which he flip flops on his takes - especially as it pertains to things like Jordan/LeBron - makes him hard for me to take seriously as an analyst. Wish it weren’t the case though; I have always wanted to like him.
23:59 “I got Defensive Player”???? What does that mean? It sounds like Scottie Pippen is fantasizing about once winning the most prestigious individual defensive award in all of basketball - the NBA Hakeem Olajuwon Defensive Player of the Year Award. The only problem is that in reality, Scottie Pippen played 17 NBA Seasons and Scottie Pippen never won even ONE (1) NBA DPOY….even Scottie Pippen 2.0 aka LeBron James has played 22 NBA Seasons and LeBron James has never won even ONE (1) NBA DPOY, and we know that even if LeBron James plays 40 NBA Seasons - LeBron Raymone James will NEVER ever win even ONE (1) NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award. Ummm, oh yea, so Scottie Pippen is 6’7” and played 17 years and he never won ONE (1) NBA DPOY, LeBron James is 6’9” and played 22 years and he never won ONE (1) NBA DPOY, but there is this 6’6” Ghost out of North Carolina who played only 15 years and this one man did manage to win ONE NBA Hakeem Olajuwon Defensive Player of the Year Award - he is The Undisputed GOAT of the NBA - Michael Jeffrey Jordan and I know that detractors hate this fact so badly, this reality will never change for MJ, Scottie, and LeBron, no matter how long it takes for LeBron James to finally retire and give up his elusive pointless chase of the ghost of the GOAT in Chicago, Illinois.
I think he was more shocked than anything. This was supposed to be an opportunity for pippen to right the wrongs over the past few years. Instead he dodged everything. The interview got completely derailed
“I didn’t chase mine.” MIC DROP.
☝️ ✊️
But he did. Let’s be honest, after that Bulls run he was chasing that 7th ring to get separation from MJ. It just didn’t happen but he got close🤷🏽♂️
@icebergslimtv6377 come on its not the same thing... he already won 6 rings and he wanted to prove he could win without Mj. And everyone over 33-34 that haven't one in their prime started chasing rings... it was always the case... when we talk about ring chasing in the modern era is about mvp candidates in their prime team up instead of competing against each other
@@redzoz I’ll agree it’s not apples to apples but watching how he was moving when he had the opportunity to move proved to me he would’ve been no different if he played in this era
@@chaepark8720 got it
Whenever Shaq brags to Charles Barkley about how he has 4 rings and Charles has none he seems to forget that he had to leave Orlando in order to get those rings
Facts
Let's not forget he needed Kobe, and D-Wade, too.
Kobe carried. RIP Mamba.
I'm sure Shaq knows where it's at. He just gets his kicks sticking it to Chuck.
Ring chasing in your prime just to win 4 titles in 22 years and lose 6 TIMES is ugly work. In what universe is that Goat? Lmfao
Exactly. Chasjng it and still coming up short compared to sticking around the team that drafted you during the hard times and building a dynasty while winning more rings in way less time....this shouldn't be a debate at all
This generation champions mediocrity. Because it's all they can hope to achieve.
Exactly 💯
6:16 Haha It’s pretty much Isiah Thomas keeping it alive. I don’t know when that segment of The Last Dance was filmed, but Isiah Thomas saw Michael Jordan the GOAT talk about it on the docu-series, but he started acting as if MJ recently sat down and made the comments on a podcast. Over the last 4-5 years, since The Last Dance was shown on ESPN, Isiah Thomas has been talking about it on every podcast. First, Isiah Thomas demanded an apology from Michael Jordan and Jordan completely ignored him and never responded. And then about a year and half later, Isiah Thomas begged Michael Jordan for an apology - Michael Jordan ignored him again and never responded. And then about a year and a half or so later, Isiah Thomas begged Michael Jordan to do a sit down, like Isiah Thomas did with Magic Johnson, and of course Michael Jordan ignored him once again and never responded. So after being ignored and dismissed for 4 to 5 years, Isiah Thomas does a full 180 by now criticizing LeBron James and the LeBron James Era for ignoring the mid-range jump-shot and load-managing, while praising Michael Jordan for mastering the mid-range jump-shot and never cheating the game like LeBron James and his era does. Michael Jordan has never brought up the subject in real-time or in any other fashion outside of The Last Dance documentary. Even the Queen LeBron-sniffer himself, Shannon Sharpe, begged Isiah Thomas to let it go and to stop talking about it because as Sharpe said, Michael Jordan couldn’t care less to reconcile with Isiah Thomas, just as MJ doesn’t care to ever reconcile with Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen.
Well said here. Yeah i reacted to a IT pod with Mark Jackson and i skipped the section they talked about the no handshake thing because he always goes on an on about it
That got a lil spicy lol. Pippen 100% went disco ball on the GOAT question lol. It's nice to hear him talk reasonably about Basketball and his peers for the most part .
Yeah it did lol. Part 3 is even crazier
I have a theory of why Scottie Pippen may have an issue with Lebron cause his son (Scottie Pippen) horrible experience with throw under the bus and get trade
Thats a good point
or maybe lebron ain’t that damn good and scottie saying how he feel😂 why it always gotta be a theory to u dudes why somebody dnt like lebron when he just told u i watched him and he ain’t that damn good to me
Yea because at one time he was saying LBJ was better than MJ now it seems like he don’t like neither. I get the Jordan beef but I think you may be right when it comes to his son. His son probably told him behind the scene things about LeBron. Idk but it does seem like he’s harder on LeBron than he was in the past.
5:51 Does Scottie Pippen mean that 13 assists is about 30 extra points by the assists alone? Because if my math is correct, a guard who averages 20 and 10 is an average of at least 40 points.
Agreed lol. 2 points min per assist. So 20ppg and 10apg would total 40ppg min that player was involved in
Ll cool j was the first person to introduce the term GOAT to our lexicon around the year 2000 and he credited Muhammad Ali for inspiring it.
See that makes sense! I knew we didn't have that term in the 80s and 90s
Too bad LL's wack 😂
@@TheManOfTheHourEveryHouryou gotta be smoking heroin
That was epic 😂❤
And we're only half way done!
Damnnn this is epic. You stopped it to early my guy. Should have let him answer that question!!!!! 😂
Hahaha. Same bat time. Same bat channel.
Great point about Dominique not making the Dream Team, he should have at least been there instead of Laettner. Bottom line is, Isiah Thomas was an unsportsmanlike player and the Dream Team was made of true sportsmen and competitors, who valued fair play and respect. When he and his Pistons decided to live up to their bad boys moniker, going out to injure players, walking off without shaking hands, that's when he lost the respect of his peers. Greeting about it makes him look worse.
Agreed on IT for sure. I'm hearing a lot of peeps in here saying Dominique was injured at that time which is why he didn't make it.
This reporter isn't quite Bryant Gumble at his apex, but I do appreciate that he's putting effort driving into Pippen.
Same. He didn't do perfectly but i appreciate him pushing through the awkwardness and continuing to ask the hard questions
I've heard, several different times, that it was "half" the team that didn't want to play with Isiah
Sounds about right. Pippen, MJ, Malone, magic, bird are rhe ones i know about
i would pick Spud Webb over fuggin LeBron.
Slam Dunk wins: Spud 1, Lebron ZERO.
27:52 Maybe it’s different regionally because nobody in Los Angeles, California was saying that Wilt Chamberlain was the GOAT because people around my age didn’t see Wilt Chamberlain and then in the 1980s and 1990s there were no internet and social media. Even now with the internet and social media, it’s still very difficult to find Chamberlain clips and I’m not sure full games of Wilt and/or Russell are even online. So without the internet, at least people in my age group in the 1990s didn’t really know about Wilt’s numbers or anybody’s numbers, unless you read it in a book or magazine…..which were not readily available for everybody. NBA games could only give you so much information. One of the major reasons why the NBA GOAT debate is such a phenomenon today is because of the readily available information of basketball statistics and information, and the ability to connect with people, share information, and debate with just about any basketball fan in the world. But without this abundance of historical basketball information, we just went off what we saw, and I think that most basketball fans in Los Angeles, California thought that Magic Johnson was the GOAT, which is one of many reasons why the 1991 NBA Finals and Marv Albert’s “Oh, a spectacular move by Michael Jordan” was both pivotal and historic because it was a passing of the GOAT torch in many people’s eyes. Michael Jordan defeated the man who had become the best player on a historic dynasty with Kareem Abdul-Jabar and Michael Jordan defeated the man who bested Larry Bird from college to the pros, and Larry Bird played for the greatest dynasty that also retired the jersey of the man who “dominated” Wilt Chamberlain in route to 11 Championships in only 13 NBA Seasons. It just hit me that even that Skap Attack guy ranks Bill Russell over Wilt Chamberlain in terms of who owned the 1960s. So maybe you guys in your area of the country thought that Wilt Chamberlain was the Goat, but I think that it was Magic Johnson in LA. Magic Johnson’s non-assist stats were not pretty, but he was a 6’9” forward who played point guard for his entire career and he won the Finals MVP playing center in his very first season, Magic Johnson went to nine NBA finals, won 5 out 9 Finals for 5 championships, 3 Finals MVPs, 3 Michael Jordan Regular Season MVPs, 4 Assists Titles, 2 Steals Titles (so 1 more Steals Titles than Scottie Pippen and 1 less than Michael Jordan), and he won the NCAA National Championship, and all of this by the very young AGE of only 29 years old. And then he came back while Michael Jordan was the Undisputed GOAT and Magic Johnson won the NBA Kobe Bryant All-Star MVP (with HIV) back when the All-Star Game was respected as the best versus best all playing almost to their best abilities. So I think that people saw Goat-ness without the crazy stats because of his successful dominant versatility. Maybe others have or heard other pre-Michael Jordan Goats, besides Wilt and Magic, in other areas of the country. But I will say that it appears that the Los Angeles Lakers may be the most popular team in the United States. I think that everybody is used to seeing a bunch of Los Angeles Lakers fans who are not from Los Angeles, California. And everybody loved Magic Johnson as a person and as an ambassador for the game and the NBA, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Magic Johnson was the Goat for a lot of people before Michael Jordan became the undisputed GOAT of professional basketball.
Haha It just hit me that Scottie Pippen is going to call Earvin “Magic” Johnson the GOAT in this interview, maybe even in this segment of the interview. But Scottie Pippen is a horrible flip-flipper because he’s called Wilt Chamberlain the Goat in the past, as well as he’s called both Michael Jordan and LeBron James the Goat, so Scottie Pippen has lost some credibility at this point.
Also Charles Barkley said that the greatest compliment that a basketball player can receive is that he makes his teammates better, and I think that we would all agree that nobody did that better than Magic Johnson, until Michael Jordan appeared.
Interesting. I remember it being all over basketball media in the 80s aboht Wilt. Wasnt til the 90s that it shifted to MJ as he was stacking rings
Interviewer was/is hella irritating. 😂 I honestly feel like Scottie was holding it together in the beginning, then the darkness started looming once he was asked those awkward, point blank questions. At the same time, I feel like Pip knows he said some shit about MJ he can never take back, but still kinda wants to give that respect, if you will, to Jordan. If you really look at the situation between MJ and him, MJ (as far as I know) still hasn't said anything negative about Pippen and still holds him in high regard.
MJ still to this day has said nothing negative about Pippen. The interviewers job is hard here because we all know pippen said MJ was a terrible pkayer, teammate etc and Phil is a racist. Yet, Pippen wont acknowledge it. Thats where this tention is cuz instead of just discussing why he said those things Pippen is evading it at all costs lol
At the same time I like how straight up and confrontational the interviewer is… it’s raw, less hand holdy and softball questions
Waiting for part 3!
Scottie’s dodging!
Same bat time. Same bat channel!
@ dude tbh you link the original video and i can finish it asap but it’s definitely more fun w/ your reaction and side comments.
Wasn't Dominique injured at the time of the 1992 Olympics? I think he ruptured his Achilles that season, so while he incredibly recovered for the next season, I doubt he was ready in time for Barcelona.
Oh thats a good point if true
Grand rising my friend, part 1 surprised me, I taught Scotti would be still hating on MJ, let's see what happened in this part, let the show begin bro.
Good morning! Enjoy this one. Its getting kinda twisted
I like Scottie and I do believe that someone did get in his ear and say something to the effect of, "Michael is calling himself the GOAT in the Last Dance" and Scottie believed them and he is too proud to admit that
My brother and i think so too. During that whole Fallout after the last dance we were trying to figure out why Scottie turned on everyone who helped his achieve greatness. I think his people definitely were in his ear making the last dance seem much worse than it was.
25:30 yeah I think what he meant is the debates I heard when I was a kid was hypothetical and were opinions and in 90s was the first time I heard a consensus in MJ as the greatest... The debate we are having now is 100% created by media
Yeah its completely different. In the 80s everyone older would say "Magic is the best right now but Wilt is the best to ever do it". In the 90s it started changing each ring Jordan won. But it wasn't really a debate. It happened over time
@TheRealMindCrime yeah exactly people would say their opinion end of the story, maybe a bit heated at the barber shop but anyways all in fun.... I never heard someone say negative things about magic to prove bird was the best for example, and it is what irritates me the most in these annoying debates nowadays
Scottie Pippen seems like a nice guy. I can understand him too. It certainly wasn't easy with someone like Michael Jordan and for all his criticism he speaks respectfully of Michael.
Except all the times he shit on MJ over his ex wife banging Jordans son
I’ve always felt for Scottie. It could not have been easy on him ALL THESE YEARS. Everyone, MJ, Scottie, you, me… has an ego and pride.
@@chaepark8720 It seems that the people who grew up with the 90s Bulls need Michael and Scottie to be friends. That's why Scottie is constantly asked questions about Michael, even though he was a first class basketball player himself.
I never had any issues with scottie until he started bashing MJ and Phil, the 2 guys with him every step of the way during their most successful years.
29:04 by Scottie’s reasoning he has a point. He has multiple All Defensive Teams and All-Star Teams, a MVP candidate, and a 200 steals 100 blocks season.
30:35 I think another uniqueness about basketball is there’s technically no specific roles. I mean it’s grown that way. But there’s nothing specific saying you have guards ans centers. Baseball, pitcher. Hockey, goalie. So many quarterback rules in football, kicker too.
So, across positions that’s easier. You’re all just ball players.
More true now than ever. Roles of big guys and little guys were very different before. But this new era its all blurred
I said it before and I'll say it again. If prime Scotty Pippen played in Lebron's era, he'd put up bigger numbers than Lebron and win more chips. He's not lying.
In Lebron's era? 100%
@@TheRealMindCrimethank you it's one thing to say you issues with his MJ take but Bron?? He has more than Bron they don't win six without both and he's right about those who didn't win a title
Interviewer just mined Scottie for controversy, and while I have some empathy for Scottie, that's about it. There's always a different side to every story, we can only call BS if he made a contradictory comment or behaved in a different manner during the instances cited.
Scottie is a great two-way player who was a big factor in the team success Jordan achieved. But Jordan took off from the get-go while Scottie began his rise only in his third season. His main problem was mental strength. He was never meant to be the lead guy. As for Jordan off-court I don't buy Scottie's BS that they were never friendly, maybe not close friends but likely the sourness in their relationship resulted from jealousy. Yes, Jordan could be difficult but at least he was straightforward, that even his greatest rivals acknowledge him even though they didn't like him, save for a few hold-outs like Karl Malone, Isiah Thomas, and Bill Laimbeer.
Isiah has made a living on being left off the Dream Team, and personally, it's good that he has been left out, because his whining is tantamount to disrespecting the people who were selected. There are only 12 slots and while his Pistons were back-to-back champions, Isiah didn't have a clear performance advantage over Stockton. Other than Laettner, everyone had a strong case to be selected, though I waver between picking Dominique over Pippen, but that became moot because Wilkins was not fully recovered from injury by the time they started playing the Tournament of the Americas qualifiers.
Good point on Wilkins not making the Dream Team.
Turns out he was injured during that time
“What mark did you as an individual put on the game, over an extended length of time”
8:27 True, Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen are the greatest dynamic duo in NBA history, but if MJ knew that Scottie was going to snake him 28 years later, then Scottie Pippen would’ve been on the Isiah Thomas/Dominique Wilkins side of history in-regards to the 1992 Dream Team. Isiah Thomas used to disrespect Scottie Pippen over this in the past. Thomas used to essentially say that he could understand Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, or Larry Bird having the power or flex to keep him off The ‘92 Dream Team, but not a Scottie Pippen. However, funny enough, I think Scottie Pippen and Isiah Thomas have a much better shot at reconciling, if they haven’t already, than either man reconciling with Michael Jordan. The GOAT is just too busy to care. 😅
The goat is definitely too busy to care lol. He just takes the high road and enjoys his life. Thats how i know he's a real one. Hes never insecure or unsure about this stuff. He let his actions speak for him
I am finding this interview fascinating. Lebron vs Pip would be a great matchup actually at forward. Im taking Pip all day though. He would make bron look like a padawan
Lol I'm taking Pippen all day too. Pippen would shut Lebron down
Dude Scottie COOKED LeBum on that comment! That made me so freaking happy. And ya know what? He's 100% right. LeBum couldn't beat Scottie 1v1. Scottie was a better defender than Kobe and look what 34 year old Kobe did to LeBum in the Allstar game. Locked him down,COMPLETELY.
As for u cutting these into parts, smart move MinCrime. 45 min to 1 hr is kind of the sweet spot. Even an hr is getting a little long. I'll be honest with u brother, u know I support your channel 100%. But the videos that are super long? I'm not really down with it. Maybe it's an attention span thing? Or maybe I just lose interest in the topic after a certain amount of time? I think this new approach is a great idea
Thanks Reaper! You're an OG here so I take that and hear that. The numbers definitely back you up so I think I'll split up vids whenever they go on too long.
@TheRealMindCrime I wouldn't be here if I didn't love the content. Plus u actually take the time out of your day to respond to us, the people. Without the people u don't really have a channel and alot of people forget about that over time. I always look forward to our interactions whenever I comment as I'm sure others do as well. As a subscriber it makes u feel like you're a part of something.
Keep that hook under an hr, keep doing what u been doing. And this channel is gonna be here for as long as u wanna do it my friend
Yeah 100% true, BB God taken apart...Brakley, Stockton&Malone, Kemp&Payton are virtually champion too... and most of all, Reggie. Indeed he and the Pacers were the closest to end the Bulls dinasty !
I totally agree!
27:54 I agree with Scottie Pippen, at least when I was younger even in the 1990s, in my area of California and even on television, I don’t remember people making a big deal about who was the greatest of all-time during the 1990s, however, Coach Bobby Knight was only four (4) years younger than Wilt Chamberlain, so I would bet money that Coach Bobby Knight saw Wilt Chamberlain’s entire college and NBA basketball careers, so he was an expert in basketball who actually saw full college and NBA games of Wilt Chamberlain, yet in 1984, eleven (11) years after Wilt Chamberlain retired from the National Basketball Association, the late great Coach Bobby Knight said this about Michael Jeffrey Jordan in 1984 and I quote, “In the categories of competitiveness, ability, skill, and then athletic ability, he's the best athlete, he's one of the best competitors, he's one of the most skilled players. That, to me, makes him the best basketball player I've ever seen play," said the late great Bobby Knight. So unlike Shaquille O’Neal waiting for Kobe Bryant to pass before really elevating Kobe Bryant into Michael Jordan’s GOAT Debate, Bobby Knight said that Michael Jordan was the best that he ever saw, while the late great Wilt Chamberlain was still very well and very alive. Now I will give a disclaimer by saying that best ever is probably different from the greatest ever. Some use the terms interchangeably and others regard them as very distinct. For instance, regarding the best basketball players in world history, most will say it’s Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant, but regarding the greatest basketball players in world history, most will say Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabar. So Michael Jordan fulfills both categories. Similarly, when it comes to individual statistical greatness, most will say Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain, but when it comes to team-championship greatness, most will say Michael Jordan and Bill Russell. So again, Michael Jordan fulfills both categories. Michael Jordan is so easily the GOAT of the game of basketball, that it’s not really much of a thought…..it’s just a reality that you accept and move on to who is #2 All-Time and so forth.
Exactly. I'm more interested in discussing who's number 2. Thats a debate for real. MJ is clearly number 1.
Oh, Scottie. These interviews he is giving me hope that he comes back from the dark side (he is looking and sounding better) and then occasionally he stabs me in the heart again. I'll keep hoping forever that fences get mended, I guess.
7:05 I think there was bad blood between Isaiah and Pippen, Bird, Jordan. Possibly more. (I never paid attention to the other EC playoff series with the pistons). If the bulls hated the “assault and battery on the way to the rim” tactics of the Bad Boys probably others did too. Magic and Thomas were friends off the court, kinda hated each other on. So a huge chunk of the team, where chemistry is an issue.
I think MJ gets the blame/credit because he was big enough to cause this to happen. People want a single Big Man pulling the trigger, I think it was a team decision
Oh the Bird Celtics and the Barkley 76ers hated the Pistons too. They were very vocal about it with the media. IT wasn't on the Dream Team cuz none of the other players wanted him there. I knkw he'll never accept it, but thats the truth
I know that damn autograph next to Scotties right shoulder and i can't figure out who it is.... do you know who it is???
LL Cool J was the first person I ever heard use the acronym G.O.A.T. in one of his songs
I think it was judge joe brown?
😂 Scottie was talking in circles about thr GOAT thing. Makes me think a face to face debate between him and Lebron would be comedy gold.
Lies versus contradictions
Exactly lol
I don't know, but Pip was always a Mike's guy. He finally dropped that Le Pip character in the No bulls tour with Luc. He is defenitely a great defender than Balco and better shooter. He didn't have the post moves of a Mike or Kobe but can held his own.
Oh he's definitely a better all around player than lebalco. No doubt
Thomas showed a lack of respect for the Bulls, the NBA, and the sport. I don't want that guy representing
the USA in the Olympics. I can't take the chance that in the VERY unlikely event that Team USA lost a
game or he doesn't like a call, that he might just up and walk off the floor.
To me, it doesn't matter if Jordan kept him off the team. Thomas had already shown his lack
of sportsmanship, and we just can't have that type of representative in the Olympics.
Pippen's baseball comparison is hogwash. Basketball and hockey are much more closely related and even
in hockey you have one assigned position that doesn't change. The goalie. In basketball, while you have
assigned roles, at any point in time a PG might have to guard a center. That doesn't happen in any other sport
I can think of except maybe badminton or volleyball.
AS far as the Pippen to Jordan GOAT comparison goes, please don't go there Scottie. You lose and you lose badly.
Pippen: !st Team All Defense 8 times
Jordan: 9 times
Pippen Scoring titles ZERO
Jordan: 10
Pippen: Steals Leader 1
Jordan: 3
The Wemby/Jordan thing is laughable. Put Wemby in Jordan's era and the Piston's put him in the hospital the first time they play.
And I'm a total Spurs geek, but I'm not insane.
Its true. Wemby doesn't have enough muscle to survive the 80s and 90s.
Did he say He's the greatest? Or wants to remembered As the greatest? Wanting something is not the same as being something.
He said he wants to be remembered as the greatest of all time. Thats what the interviewer is referring to.
We discover in this conversation what basketball is. Other team sports have positions. Basketball doesn't anymore. Well not like they did
Its true. Positionless ball is also contributing to the lack of identity in these teams
33:59 Scottie Pippen won 6 rings in 17 years, Michael Jordan won 6 rings in 15 years (technically 6 in 11 complete seasons), and LeBron James won 4 rings in 22 years. And this qualifies Michael Jordan’s success vs Scottie Pippen’s. In terms of championship-winning percentages, the longevity hurts Scottie Pippen, just as the longevity is actually destroying LeBron James. Going by averages and Michael Jordan playing 15 seasons, Michael Jordan won 2 NBA Championships every 5 years vs LeBron James who won 2 NBA Championships every 11 years.
Good breakdown!
the way i look at it scottie probably regrets saying he is the greatest of all time but has too big on an ego to admit it
Thats what im thinking too. I wish he'd just admit it and move forward
I think it makes sense for scottie to say there is no goat because it’s a team game but because he played it best as a team game, he’s the goat in the team sense
There is a GOAT and that’s MJ
There ain’t no god damn “goat team player” stop smoking crack
I respect Scottie a lot but he's not the GOAT of that either.
In his definition then I'd probably give it to Magic. Best team player, did it the right way, and won a lot of rings to back it up.
Definitely deflected @20:00....
Yeah he did.
Scottie is being very evasive with his answers. Patrick’s tryna pin him down to solid answers but he’s too slippery lol
💯 😆
I used to really root for Scottie. It's just just so sad to see him dodging and backpedalling and contradicting himself and not addressing the question head on like a real man. He will always be lotsa people's top 10 favorite players, recognized across the board as one of the best defenders in league history, and accredited even by Michael himself multiple times for being a major factor in them winning six. How's that for legacy? Isn't that enough for you, Scottie?!
Scottie, you played next to the guy! You of all people should know you ain't getting away saying you're the GOAT.
☝️
6:10 everybody is tired of hearing it. Notice that none of the people involved go out of their way to talk about it. Isiah Thomas gets asked about it in pretty much every interview even though he's answered the question one million times
I know. I wish people woukd just start saying "next question" whenever it comes up
Wish he ask Scottie Pippen about Suffered from the Migraine Headache in Game 7, would you think Lebron trade your afterwords? (Wonder how he answers)
Oooh damn thats a hell of a question!
Stern phoned Magic to get Bird and Jordan into the dream team. . According to Johnson. Maybe Stern was involved?
I would believe it. It does make sense that if its the first time showcasing NBA players in the Olympics you would want the league star to be showcased on the worlds stage.
:20 it was Magic Johnson that kept Isaiah Thomas of the dream team.. because they were friends and Thomas was making really bad comments about the HIV
I remember that too. Also MJ, pippen, barkley, and Bird all hated IT at that time so it makes sense he was left off
I think he meant he wants to be remembered as being part of the greatest team of all time
Pip, Got a point.
They probably didn't want any Pistons beating up other players on the international stage.
I haven't sat down and watch this video yet but I will later today, but in the meantime Oh oh mindcrime, somebody better check up on the commish after that Detroit Lions whooping last night oh boy I'm worried about him😮😂
Lol i see he dropped a vid about it. Gonna have to check it out for some laughs later tonight to see how he's feeling about it 😆
The fact that no one in the NBA current and past legends consider him in the GOAT convo. And yeah I’d rather pick Pip over LBJ. MJ would make LBJ cry in their practices.
Oh man for sure. MJ would torch Lebron for his lack of defense. Then again, if Lebron could get tough it would help him be better at defense cuz he'd have to guard MJ in practice everyday lol
I think the reason why Dominique Wilkens wasn't on the dream team was because he was injured that year. Hakeem wasn't on that dream team either and he definitely deserved to be on there
Wilkins was injured, and Hakeem was not yet naturalized as a US citizen in 1992.
Good point on Dominique. I've heard that a few times in the comments so far.
There's still some animosity between Jordan and Scottie well more accurately Scottie towards MJ lol. Any way you want to word it Isiah's choices were why he was not on the Dream Team period end of story. I'm 100% choosing Pip over Lebron for the reasons you said he plays both ends of the court at a high level, I know he's gonna get on the court every night. I don't agree with how Scottie handled certain things but I never watched Scottie take entire plays off cause he didn't get his way or a call didn't go for him so yeah Pip over Bron, Jordan over everyone haha.
We see eye to eye on all of this so far lol.
Scottie over LeBron any day of the week. I think Scottie is just being slick lol but tbh he is one of the greatest but, not the greatest. I agree, it was Wilt back in the day the big thing was him scoring 100 pts in a game. MJ would destroy Wemby in the 90s and the late 80s. There’s ppl who care what happened with Isiah, idrgaf (respectfully) only because he deserved being shi**ed on, especially the way that Isiah and the Pistons did the rest of the league. When I think of great two way players in baseball I think of Willy Mays, and George Brett not someone like Dave Kingman or whatever player is just filling a lineup spot. Scottie had Brooks Robinson defense and his kind of offense…he didn’t score 50 or 60 but he did 20s and 30s and he did score 47 pts in one game, he was way above what an average player would be. The credentials to be the GOAT would be someone like Ken Griffey jr. he won HR titles, gold gloves every year from 89 to 98 he was the Jordan of baseball but…no championships. Derek Jeter in the 90s had a lot of hits but his glove wasn’t the best. But he had the winner mindset and was clutch. It’s hard but not so much in basketball because Jordan was all those rolled in one.
Agreed. On the IT walk off thing I don't know why but he still can't accept that the team he led was the definition of bad sportmanship in all fashions including how to lose without honor
I think Scottie is trying to say respectfully he is the greatest 2 way small forward of all time I mean I see no lies
I wish he just said that instead of all the cryptic stuff
I've heard Scottie say multiple times that he doesn't believe in GOATs
I've also heard him say "I wanna be remembered as the greatest of all time (GOAT)" so its pretty contradictory
I meant to say yesterday that I just don’t want to hear any celebrities politics in a divisive manner. I don’t want the media to be a catalyst to learning their politics. If it occasionally comes up and any view is acceptable I’m good with it. But I have strong personal views, but they are mine, I’m happy to share them, and I’m OK if yours are different. In fact if you have the opposite views as me I still hope that you vote because I believe in democracy, and I think you’re doing the country a service by taking part. But that’s not how the public uses politics and I don’t feel the same when celebrities are trying throw influence or judgment.
But I’m a weirdo idiot.
Bravo 👏 👏 👏
If more people were like you then it would be safe to discuss views without fear of being attacked. You're a real one Sarah 🏆
@@TheRealMindCrime it baffles me that anyone who has ever evolved even just in nuance of their own views can’t respect the majority of views.
I have trouble with most radical views of any sort. But that’s because they usually argue for the “us vs them” thing which kills the conversation in my opinion.
@@TheRealMindCrime I’m not beyond judgement but I believe in healthy debate and safe casual conversation. 🤷♀️
I appreciate the compliment! You’re also a real one.
If he said his prototype is the greatest then I’d give it consideration but he should know he himself can’t be considered the greatest playing on the same team as MJ
I know...thats why im surprised he doubled down on it
Scotty is criminally underratted. He's just trying to make people understand his value to those rings. He's closer to Micheal than people think. Which is the point He's dancing around.
I wish he wouldn't dance around it and just say it. MJ already credits him for it so if he just did what he used to do and talk about his part in the dynasty all would be good. It was when he started bashing phil and mj that things got weird because Phil nor MJ ever did that
@TheRealMindCrime I just dont want too see everyone turn on Scotty. Most of the time he gives Jordan the proper respect. Plus he will never sell them out regarding the dream team. Clearly Jordan had final say on who joined.
I have one question...
Do you believe Scottie Pippen would have turned out as great had he gone to the Seattle SuperSonics; without being pushed as hard by MJ???
I don't personally. I think his competing vs Jordan every day in practice is what made pippen the player we know and respect
For the algorithm.
Thank you!
Actually, Pip was not wrong about the MJ wins may not happened without him but there is a certain degree to that as MJ may still win those championship if MJ has a player that is willing to accept that Pip role so, im saying Pip is replaceable on that Bulls team but not MJ, MJ is irreplaceable. my Conclusion is, Pip got his wins more because of MJ and not the other way around.
Agreed!
i think i get Pippen's point. everybody talking about who's the GOAT. forgeting it's a team sport. and Pippen is legetimately The Greatest Teammate Of All Times. nobody would've accepted and thrived that much as a shadow of Jordan. so much ego in the basketball sport. so Pippen tried to drive back the general debate about what matters the most...The Team.
and that point of view also explains the betrial he felt while watching the Last Dance documentary. he felt betrayed in 95 when Phil chose Tony over him for the last shot. than betrayed again in the documentary when MJ chose to show Sottie weak moments over TONS of moments when he showed up and delivered. like in the 98 finals, when he still played with an injured back!
I think Pippen was going through a bit of a dark time, said some shit, now if he's like "nah, these other players are greater" he's just going to get trashed and called a liar.
I prefer it if he just owned up to what he said so it could end and he can move on from it. If he keeps dogding the him being goat thing, mj being a terrible basketball player thing, and phil being racist thing then it'll never go away
@TheRealMindCrime i agree, I'm not sure if it's just stubbornness/pride, or if he's trying to "stay relevant " and make money off drama. Either way, my 4 year old acts like this.
Go back and watch highlights of the season Scottie played w/o Jordan. His gameplay is reminiscent of Jordan's however, he lacks the killer instinct and leadership qualities that MJ had.
Agreed!
damn it got so uncomfortable
I know....you can cut the tension with a knife
Ssshhh if anything why didn’t Chuck Daly get any heat for accepting the job without having his main man on there?!?! Talk about loyalty!?! lol. Like they say….its nothing personal, it’s just business.
I do find it interesting no one mentions that lol. As far as i know Chuck Daly never mentioned it or got asked.
@ I think they probably did…..I have to look it up. But it is crazy. Your head coach doesn’t say hey I’m not accepting the gig without my guy……I don’t think Phil J would do that.
Yea, PBD gets some of his times and years off, but he is more of a lakers fan
Its cool. I can tell he's a lakers lifer
But Scottie Pippen did try to ring chase. Did Scottie Pippen not go to Houston to team up with Barkley & Olajuwon? Did Scottie Pippen not go to Portland to team up with the nucleus of really good players they had after his one year in Houston?
Scottie already had 6 rings with one team at that time. He left Chicago because they wouldn't pay him. Totally different than a ringless prime max contract Lebron leaving Cleveland to build a super team in Miami. Like, literally completely different
I think “get you on the floor” you need to think “I’m the best here”. If you think the guy you’re facing is better, you already lost.
Now, in retrospect, yeah it’s hard to say “I’m the goat because the guy next to me has all this hardware” no.
Exactly. Usually that mindset of "im the best" is while you're playing to fuel you. But after you retire and 20 years go by most people can reflect and give flowers to the greats. Like Barkley does, he thought he was the best too but now he admits it's MJ all day.
Pip over LeBruh, but Pip probably wouldn't have been as good without MJ pushing him early on.
Scottie you wanna be GOAT? Where's your Bulls ring when MJ was playing baseball?
At least Pip called out LeBruh 😂😂😂
Lol agreed. Im glad he called out Lebron here. That one felt good
Can't take Scottie seriously anymore. I think later on he went back to MJ and him were never friends.
I just don't know whats real anymore when it comes to Pippen saying stuff. He wasn't this way before 2020. He said stuff proudly and it always made sense to me. Now he makes my brain warp
So Pip said, he never got the MVP and Finals MVP, was he saying MJ didnt deserved those cause Pip thinks that he is the greatest?, I dont believe so, MJ got those because of what we all saw and how heavy is MJs impact compared to Pip's impact. Like I said, Pip can be replaceable in the Bulls team but MJ isnt. Pip was just lucky that he was kept by the Bulls, what if, Horace was the one that Bulls kept and not him, will he be developed to what he is? I dont think so, MJ was the one who pushed him to be great, imagining every practice game that he has to guard the best player of the game so he can be the best defender of the game, if that was halted cause he wasnt kept by the Bulls, i dont think Pip will be recognized as top 50 players of all time just like he is right now.
You're on fire with these comments von! I agree all the way
Pip has always been a walking contradiction. It’s nothing new. The smart answer here would have been for him to say that he feels all great players see themselves as the greatest ever, but ultimately the fans make that final decision.
But he’s never been great with words. It’s hard to believe he allowed to be an analyst.
I felt like he did ok at espn as an analyst. But he was part of a good team with rachel and tmac. Now he just says wild things
@ He always used to say wild stuff that didn’t add up during his time in Chicago. It’s possible that proximity bias might be playing a role here for me, as my perspective on this is a bit more jaded than most.
Still, the rate at which he flip flops on his takes - especially as it pertains to things like Jordan/LeBron - makes him hard for me to take seriously as an analyst. Wish it weren’t the case though; I have always wanted to like him.
Pfff. If i'm taking Pippen any day and any night over Lebron. It's not even close...
LBJ would not be in my 12+3 team...
Same here. All day, any day Pippen over Lebron for a team
23:59 “I got Defensive Player”???? What does that mean? It sounds like Scottie Pippen is fantasizing about once winning the most prestigious individual defensive award in all of basketball - the NBA Hakeem Olajuwon Defensive Player of the Year Award. The only problem is that in reality, Scottie Pippen played 17 NBA Seasons and Scottie Pippen never won even ONE (1) NBA DPOY….even Scottie Pippen 2.0 aka LeBron James has played 22 NBA Seasons and LeBron James has never won even ONE (1) NBA DPOY, and we know that even if LeBron James plays 40 NBA Seasons - LeBron Raymone James will NEVER ever win even ONE (1) NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award. Ummm, oh yea, so Scottie Pippen is 6’7” and played 17 years and he never won ONE (1) NBA DPOY, LeBron James is 6’9” and played 22 years and he never won ONE (1) NBA DPOY, but there is this 6’6” Ghost out of North Carolina who played only 15 years and this one man did manage to win ONE NBA Hakeem Olajuwon Defensive Player of the Year Award - he is The Undisputed GOAT of the NBA - Michael Jeffrey Jordan and I know that detractors hate this fact so badly, this reality will never change for MJ, Scottie, and LeBron, no matter how long it takes for LeBron James to finally retire and give up his elusive pointless chase of the ghost of the GOAT in Chicago, Illinois.
I know...that part and others were pretty awkward here lol.
PBD dodged Scottie contradicting himself, he's the greatest of all time but there's no Goat in team sports?!
I did not like PBD in this interview seemed kind of unprepared to me, not saying I agree with Scottie I dont but PBD just seemed unprepared
I think he was more shocked than anything. This was supposed to be an opportunity for pippen to right the wrongs over the past few years. Instead he dodged everything. The interview got completely derailed
PBD is such an idiot grifter. He made his money ripping people off through an MLM and goes around pretending to be some kind of business guru. Worst.
I didn't know that. MLM's? Oy. I only know him from the Kobe interview years ago.
Pippen carried Jordan, and Lebron is the 🐐!
Them I guess Pippen was the goat huh? Not Lebron.
See the other jerkyle hyde scottie where u see the jealously both mike and lebron that he was the first positionless player
Good analogy here ☝️
Scottie is delusional. If he really thinks that. That’s sad.
Scotty wasn't even the best player on his own team so how could he be the greatest of all time He's delusional
Can't argue with that