*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much! Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf. Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!! Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano *IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:* *TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN* *BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.* *OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD* *THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET* *OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS* *CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM* *BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.* *THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY* *ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT* *WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED* *HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.* *CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT* *CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!* *IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
Muhammad Ali, "Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard *unrecognizable* folks in Africa." Cosell, "But you think you could have beaten him too?" Ali, "Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination. Cosell, " You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility." Ali, "Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!" Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. ((( *Why was the most important part removed?? Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano"!!!* ))) ABC'S WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS {MUHAMMAD ALI VERSUS THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME; DAYTONA 500} Summary: This edition concludes the segment "Muhammad Ali versus the Greatest Heavyweight Champions of All Time" in which Howard Cosell and Muhammad Ali discuss the careers of great boxers. In this final portion, Cosell, with world heavyweight champion Ali at Ali's Deer Lake, Pa., training camp, discusses fight films involving these fighters: Joe Louis, Max Schmeling, Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, Pat Valentino, and Jersey Joe Walcott. Dave Diles reports with a sports news update on the final lap of the Daytona 500 automobile race as Bill Flemming narrates the tape of the finish. Ali and Cosell resume their discussion of fight films involving the following fighters: Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, and Rocky Marciano. ABC February 15, 1976 Sunday 8 ½ hrs. ((( *Dave Diles explains the entire 8 ½ hrs. coverage @ 1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage from NascarAllOut* ))) ((( Moral of the story is so much of what Ali actually said about Rocky has been removed!!! *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!!!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades!!! The honest truth is Rocky uploaders removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda!!! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano!!!* Why not just use Rocky's resume to defend him instead of hiding vital information? *Well because Rocky's resume is Horseshirt, that's why!!!* Y'all can order copies *@ Archival Television Audio Inc.* just type in Muhammad Ali. 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore Louis Conn.. *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, February 15 1976* )))
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
Mike Tyson was gifted with type II fast-twitch muscle fibers. He came out the gate sprinting like 220 pound Quarter 🐎 Horse, while 185 pound Marciano came out the gate shuffling forward like Little 🐢Turtle. 1980's 20yr old phenom Mike easily KO's Rocky 10 outta 10 times!
@@River553 37 year old Joe Louis had already been fightin "17yrs" with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing little Rocky. Joe's speedy reflexes were non-existent and it looked as if he was wadding through mud. And that 8 fight winning streak Joe had before fightin Rocky was a complete set-up using carefully selected hand-picked featherfisted opponents. 38/39 year old cruiserweight Journeyman Joe lost all throughout his entire career, beginning, middle and end. He had 49 wins 20 losses according to BoxRec. Walcott had already been fightin for "22yrs" with an abysmal 44% KO's before facing little Rocky. He definitely was not prime. Walcott Lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times. Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fightin "15yrs" with 95 fights before facing little Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were already behind him at light heavyweight, not moonlighting at cruiserweight. Charles Lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times. 42 year old grandfather light heavyweight Moore had already been fightin "20yrs" with 178 fights before facing little Rocky. Exactly 95% of his 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruiserweights. Moore was fighting professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times. Meantime little cruiserweight Marciano only fought a measly "7yrs" before he abruptly "Quit" during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his secretive amateur/professional debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" because there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Holyoke was in a circuit of gritty New England cities where ethnic rivalries played out in the boxing rings. Holyoke shoulda been named Bumville. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight. Little Rocky "Quitting" so soon is not only shameful but not fair to other genuine Heavyweights that had 15 to 20 year careers. Dozens of real-Heavyweights could have also retired undefeated if they had "Quit" after only "7yrs". Marciano was a "Quitter"!!!
@@River553JOURNEYMAN JERSEY JOE WALCOTT EXPOSED There are few heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are better known for their losses than their wins. Jersey Joe Walcott's high profile losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins. During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them. In his overall career, Walcott had a 49-20-1 record and was KO'd 6 times (BoxRec). Based on these less than impressive stats it is difficult to consider him anymore than a good Journeyman. Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. 8 of them came against fighters who were winless. The only two ranked fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the lightning in the bottle KO of Ezzard Charles. Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter higher than he deserves based on impressive losses. Walcott was winless in all 4 of his fights vs Louis/Marciano and was KO'd 3 times. The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the heavyweight division must have been at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss. Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is no way he would have been granted this many opportunities after losing so many title attempts. Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great heavyweight champion, but a good B+level Journeyman. [[[ If a fighter today had (20) losses and was KO'd (6) times he'd be considered an undercard B or C-level Journeyman, correct? Why is this ok for old-school fighters but not modern fighters? Wilder and Joshua only have (5) losses between them yet they are already considered nobodies. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have (68) losses! Lennox Lewis was KOd (2) times and his top-10 ranking has suffered ever since. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have been KOd (20) times! ]]] [[[ And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Lee Savold Lost (45) times and Ted Lowry Lost (68) times yet this is perfectly fine in the mindset of Marciano fans. Dare go to a Savold vs. Marciano vid and say one wrong thing about Savold and you'll immediately have fifteen Marciano fans attacking. Little Marciano is all exaggerated hype, nothing more nothing less. ]]]
Started boxing late in life, flat footed, slow, but had the most hardcore work ethic of any fighter. He had a custom made 200lb bag to strengthen his fists. The result: undefeated.
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was sentenced to 7 years hard labour, Murphy 10 years, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorably discharged. -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton May 29, 2018*
For two decades the Marciano's have been trying to remove this article *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993* but cannot because it's all factual. Many defamation lawsuits have been filed but all failed. Little Rocky was seriously messed up. His friends tried to help but he refused. He caused his own demise through his insatiable desire for sex and money.
Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact. It was all Rocky's fault, he pressured the amateur pilot into flying even though he knew they were headed towards severe thunderstorms. Why? What was so important in Des Moines? His business was loansharking and he had to collect 35K. Which is equivalent to 290K today.
@@brandorios5989 Listen, Mayweather is a savvy boxer and business man. But he ain't dal best ever. Hand picking opponents and dodging Pacquiao doesn't sit well with me as a competitor. Dal goat has 2 take on all comers. Floyd didn't do that. And I'm a fan of his.
@@jameswalker5645the three knockdown rule was around before then. If I remember correctly. I just think it was an option for the fighters and/or just rarely implemented by the refs unless someone had been taking a BEATING for a while (ex. Joe vs George).
there's this anecdote, I can't remember the source, that one reporter supposedly asked Archie Moore if there had been a moment in his fight against Marciano where he realized he was in some deep trouble, and Moore went "Yes, the first round." The reporter was understandably confused, cause the first round was the one where Moore knocked Marciano down, and Moore continued "I hit him harder than I have ever hit any man, and he just got up mad".
@@clintwalker6389 If your point is that fighting is outside of being a gentleman, perhaps you have missed how this whole thread started? However, when you are in a fight there is definitely an honourable way to do it, vs not. Little things, stopping when the bell goes, not biting, punching above the belt, etc, etc.
Marciano was decapitated in a plane crash. I remember hearing the story of Joe Louis attending his funeral and saying words to the effect of, “The Lord is getting a beautiful man.” I heard that as a kid, and it stays with me to this day. Champions.
@@marcomaceri4161 How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter. Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula. Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges. Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!! Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
Robinson would have got a lot more respect if he didn't run from so many fighters we might have actually got to see some great fighters if he wasn't so scared refused to fight everyone from the black murderous row
A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise... Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
*Marciano Ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard. He knew he'd eventually have to confront Cleveland Williams, Johansson, Patterson, Liston, Machen, Folley, Valdez, Cooper, Miteff, London, Mildenberger, Jones, Terrell, Chuvalo, Clay, Bonavena, Quarry, Martin and Ellis. We coulda found out how Rocky would have done against all these guys had he not "UP-N-QUIT" during his Prime after a measley (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years!!!* *For Pete's sake he was only 31 his last fight.* *And to make matters even worse than quitting at only 31 years of age,, his last fight had to be against a 42 year old,, Archie Moore born '1913' wikipedia!!!*
Rocky's *"'(0)"'* meant *Everything!!!* Without it he wouldn't be ranked top-30. Only *"'ONE'"* loss would have changed his entire legacy. Since so much emphasis is put on the *"'Perfect Record'"* can someone please explain why Charles Walcott Moore Savold Lowry Layne Cockell Wilson Shkor Walls Henri Simmons Eatman Muscato and Beshore *LOST (("'411"')) TIMES?* Charles Lost (25) times Walcott Lost (20) times Moore Lost (23) times Savold Lost (45) times Lowry Lost (68) times Layne Lost (17) times Cockell Lost (14) times Wilson Lost (27) times Shkor Lost (19) times Walls Lost (41) times Henri Lost (29) times Simmons Lost (22) times Eatman Lost (21) times Muscato Lost (23) times Beshore Lost (17) times (and many more with double digit losses) *IF ""0"" IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS THEN LITTLE ROCKY'S OPPONENTS WERE ""HORSESHIT""!!!!*
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)* 1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)* 2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1 3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1 4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)* 1947 5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1 6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)* *1947-03-17 Professional Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, March 1948.* 1948 *(Rocky's back to amateur bouts)* 7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1 8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3 9. February George McInnis TKO-1 10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)* 11. March Fred Fischera KO 12. March George McGinnis W-3 *1948-07-12 Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano. Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson bcz once Professional you cannot go back to the amateurs.* Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........Rocky only *(7)* years Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........Rocky only *(7)* years Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...Rocky only *(7)* years LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....Rocky only *(7)* years Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
*According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength.* - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City *"Marciano admitted he could not beat prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who *!!!!*
When I was little my Dad used to watch boxing and I would just watch him watch boxing. My Dad fought in the military and was really good. His favorite fighter was Rocky Marciano. So everytime I got a chance to see a film of the Rock fighting, I would watch him. I read every book I could find, every article. I was obsessed because my Dad was my hero and I wanted to know more about his heroes. When Dad sparred and even taught me and my brother he taught us Rocky’s style. Staying low, constant head movement, etc. I remember the first time I saw Joe Frazier box, I knew “this guy is emulating Rocky.” He soon became my favorite fighter. Thanks to UA-cam I’ve long since pulled up every fight available of the Rock’s and it’s just incredible. It makes me realize what an amazing talent he was, but mainly makes me miss my Dad.
I got a little chocked up reading your post. Its refreshing to hear someone express love for their father. Our culture has become very hostile to father/child relationships. Good fathers make good people. Glad you had that experience.
How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter. Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula Of Transylvania Did. Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges. Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!! Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
Ever wonder why little Marciano is always ranked so high? Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why tiny-165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. How's it possible tiny dwarfism arms ranks higher than Fury Holmes Lewis Vitali Wladimir Foreman Bowe Tyson etc? Well now we all know why! Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165lbs (Fitzsimmons) to 328lbs (Valuev), ranking bodies still exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, even though they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES, imagine that. "AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Moore was 41 years "old" and "light" heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. Algorithms don't see Louis's reflexes were non-existent. The Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0. That's why ALL Heavyweight rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt. Unfortunately Rocky fanboys cling to his ranking as if it were life and death.
@@Bobby.D.1776 Did you get molested by a Rocky Marciano doll when you were a kid? Jesus, you act like he's knocking you off the all time rankings. Pretty sure Ali thought pretty highly of Marciano, is he a fanboy then?
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was sentenced to 7 years hard labour, Murphy 10 years, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorable discharged. Although Marciano was mysteriously and suspiciously allowed to rejoin the military for the duration of 1946 in order to receive an honorable discharge -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton May 29, 2018*
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2. Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story. Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but mysteriously was allowed to re-join the army for a 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. *"In all my years i have never heard of a dishonorable flipping back into an honorable. The fix was in. He was already protected."*
Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact. It was all Rocky's fault, he pressured the amateur pilot into flying even though he knew they were headed towards severe thunderstorms. Why? What was so important in Des Moines? His business was loansharking and he had to collect 35K. Which is equivalent to 290K today.
To be a fighter you must have a noble Hearth, having a noble Hearth means you can’t be racist. ItaliansAmericans were victims of racism too, by the way.
even though this is old, when I saw the fight on ESPN classic one night, watching without having any knowledge of the fight, never saw a video clip, my jaw dropped when Walcott did and when the ref was counting I couldn't help but yell " why are you counting?!? call an ambulance!! ".
@@cosmopetrone8514 And that simply makes you a nitwit. Because he never fought any Greats that weren't already well past their prime... So how the hell can he be the Greatest & he never beat the Greatest boxers of his era. He DUCKED the prime heavyweights!
@@cosmopetrone8514 Lol... Why do people have to be sooooo damned sensitive. If calling you a "nitwit" hurt your feelings that bad, lock yourself in your room! Because such an opinion is pretty stupid. Because Marciano's body of work was easily the weakest among all top Great Heavyweights!
Rocky was such an articulate respectful intelligent man out of the ring. I always enjoy listening to his interviews as he can really hold your attention when speaking. In the ring he was a relentless wrecking machine of incredible stamina and a chin of iron. He knew the game inside and out and knew his opponents weak spots and vulnerabilities long before he got in the ring with them. A true legend.
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done. Barbara tended to obesity, had a serious drinking problem and smoked heavily-she would die of lung cancer in 1974-whereas her husband's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them." @1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had •••ies, night and day.... A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils." @1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI "That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal. @1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
Hey, I really admire "Rocky" Marciano. Truly a "Class-Act" and a half. A genuine, compassionate, sincere gentleman. Very humble human being as well. He was a good true friend to Joe Louis, all the way til' the very end.When Joe Louis was on his "death bed," "Rocky" was there by his 🛌 bedside, which everyone else deserted the destitute Joe Louis. People should know this about "Rocky" Marciano. Marciano and Jake La Motta are my "Personal Favorites".......
@@richardpeetrinpeetrin9817 NOT 🚫true , you MUST have mistaken Max Schmeling for Rocky M. sorry to Correct U but Marciano died tragically in a plane crash in the late 60s & Joe Louis died in the earliest 80s...& so Joe's German rival , Max,was a lifelong good friend , gave financial aid & paid for Louis's funeral expenses in the end.
37 year old Joe Louis had already been fightin "17yrs" with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing little Rocky. Joe's speedy reflexes were non-existent and it looked as if he was wadding through mud. And that 8 fight winning streak Joe had before fightin Rocky was a complete set-up using carefully selected hand-picked featherfisted opponents. 38/39 year old cruiserweight Journeyman Joe lost all throughout his entire career, beginning, middle and end. He had 49 wins 20 losses according to BoxRec. Walcott had already been fightin for "22yrs" with an abysmal 44% KO's before facing little Rocky. He definitely was not prime. Walcott Lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times. Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fightin "15yrs" with 95 fights with an abysmal 43% KO's before facing little Rocky. His best boxing years were already behind him at light heavyweight, not moonlighting at cruiserweight. Charles Lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times. 41 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fightin "20yrs" with 178 fights before facing little Rocky in 1955. Exactly 95% of his 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruiserweights. Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times. Meantime little cruiserweight Rocky Marciano only fought a measly "8yrs" with only 49 fights before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his debut fight he actually fought "7yrs" because there was a 15 month gap between his 1st fight and 2nd fight. Little Rocky quitting so soon is not only shameful but not fair to other genuine Heavyweights that he's surpassed in the top 10 rankings. No way in hell this little dude should be ranked higher than Holmes Lewis Foreman Vitali Wladimir Holyfield Tyson Bowe Liston Fury Wilder.
Folks still livin in the past talkin bout how some little 185 lb man is the greatest Heavyweight of all time. Do you see how funny that is? Marciano wasn't a Heavyweight period, and i dont care how you try to justify that he was. Can you name any prime topnotch 200+lb Heavyweights he fought? I know none of you can since he never fought any. But somehow Marciano is the greatest Heavyweight of all time right? This is 2023 and i thought we'd be over this little-man syndrome by now. Rocco Francis Marchegiano was lucky to have fought in an era when his mafioso cousins monopolized boxing and protected him. His best opponents were middleweights and light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Marchegiano isn't even top 10 Cruiserweight let alone top 40 Heavyweight.
Wish he lived longer woukd loved to heard his opinions on 70s and 80s boxing. Very intelligent, astute person. Kind and respectful... But an animal inside the ring..
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns! Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
@@Robert.Levi.Millera lot of the guys you named aren’t even really C to B level more like D to E level competition Marciano is one of the biggest hype jobs ever
@@allcinionexplainsitall5869you dont know anything about boxing Everyone tries to build up their most promising boxers records to build up their confidence That list is incomplete
I can’t help but notice how he did not continue to pummel him when he was not completely down and the ref did not stop the fight but Rocky did. A true sportsman.
YES unlike MIke Tyson whom had To be pulled off a downed opponent EVERYTIME = he just kept punching them like an animal...! Mike totally emulated Rocky style except NOT Rocky's merciful triumphant class to certainly NOT attempt to kill his opponent like Mike seemed to always do in seeing they were down to not do further brain damage to them...! Just my observation...!
@@LivinInTheSip Rules were different back then, and he barely tapped him with that. This isn't the Hyde Park Ladies Tea club buddy, this is a professional fight with monsters going at each other with all they have. Maybe boxing isn't for you?
*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much! Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf. Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!! Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano *IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:* *TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN* *BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.* *OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD* *THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET* *OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS* *CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM* *BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.* *THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY* *ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT* *WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED* *HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.* *CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT* *CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!* *IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
@@boredoflife8703 It was the heat of the moment and the heat of the landing/combo. Rocky went quickly to his corner right after it, respecting the knocked down Joe.
My Dad loved him. He's definitely my top all time favorite. Of course his time was long before mine, but I always love watching his old fights. Definitely one of the best to ever do it, and one of the nicest guys anyone could know from what is said.
Louis bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky only *7* years Walcott bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Charles bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Moore bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years Savold bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky only *7* years Matthews bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky only *7* years LaStarza bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky only *7* years Cockell bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Lowry bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years Louis fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky quit at *49* Walcott fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Charles fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49* Moore fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Savold fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Matthews fought *(103)* times.. .little Rocky quit at *49* LaStarza fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49* Cockell fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49* Lowry fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49* Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times *Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats bcz they're always suppressed. Today's Genuine Super Heavyweights Zhang Bakole Joshua Fury Ruiz Parker Kabayel Itauma Jalolov Anderson Dubois only have a combined (15) losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus for eternity but it's perfectly fine for little Rocky's little light heavy opposition masquerading as little cruisers to have a combined ((684)) losses!!!* *HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:* Lewis --------- *2* Holmes ------ *6* Ali -------------- *5* Vitali ----------- *2* Foreman ---- *5* Tyson -------- *6* Wladimir ---- *5* Bowe --------- *1* Liston -------- *4* Louis --------- *3* Holyfield -- *10* Frazier ------- *4* Norton ------- *7* Tunney ------ *1* Dempsey --- *6* Johnson --- *11* *"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- Lennox Lewis
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
As a cruiserweights worth little 5' 9" 185lb Marciano receives 7 out of 10 score. But as a Heavyweights worth he only receives a 2 out of 10 score when compared to topnotch Super Heavyweights Fury Ibeabuchi Lewis Vitali Foreman Bruno Ruddock Witherspoon Joyce Parker Wladimir just to name a few.
@@Bobby.D.1776 👉People should only be compared to others during their time. They lived in. 👉He’s a 10 out of a 10 in all categories during his lifetime. Everything evolves u can’t compare people from the past with more recent types it’s not a fair comparison. They were what they were during that time. He was a 10 out of 10 he was the mike Tyson of his time.
@@johnnyt.sollitto512 37 year old Joe Louis had already been fightin "17yrs" with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing little Rocky. Joe's speedy reflexes were non-existent and it looked as if he was wadding through mud. And that 8 fight winning streak Joe had before fightin Rocky was a complete set-up using carefully selected hand-picked featherfisted opponents. 38/39 year old cruiserweight Journeyman Joe lost all throughout his entire career, beginning, middle and end. He had 49 wins 20 losses according to BoxRec. Walcott had already been fightin for "22yrs" with an abysmal 44% KO's before facing little Rocky. He definitely was not prime. Walcott Lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times. Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fightin "15yrs" with 95 fights before facing little Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were already behind him at light heavyweight, not moonlighting at cruiserweight. Charles Lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times. 42 year old grandfather light heavyweight Moore had already been fightin "20yrs" with 178 fights before facing little Rocky. Exactly 95% of his 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruiserweights. Moore was fighting professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times. Meantime little cruiserweight Marciano only fought a measly "7yrs" before he abruptly "Quit" during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his secretive amateur/professional debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" because there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Holyoke was in a circuit of gritty New England cities where ethnic rivalries played out in the boxing rings. Holyoke shoulda been named Bumville. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight. Little Rocky "Quitting" so soon is not only shameful but not fair to other genuine Heavyweights that had 15 to 20 year careers. Dozens of real-Heavyweights could have also retired undefeated if they had "Quit" after only "7yrs". Marciano was a "Quitter"!!!
@@johnnyt.sollitto512JOURNEYMAN JERSEY JOE WALCOTT EXPOSED There are few heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are better known for their losses than their wins. Jersey Joe Walcott's high profile losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins. During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them. In his overall career, Walcott had a 49-20-1 record and was KO'd 6 times (BoxRec). Based on these less than impressive stats it is difficult to consider him anymore than a good Journeyman. Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. 8 of them came against fighters who were winless. The only two ranked fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the lightning in the bottle KO of Ezzard Charles. Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter higher than he deserves based on impressive losses. Walcott was winless in all 4 of his fights vs Louis/Marciano and was KO'd 3 times. The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the heavyweight division must have been at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss. Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is no way he would have been granted this many opportunities after losing so many title attempts. Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great heavyweight champion, but a good B+level Journeyman. [[[ If a fighter today had (20) losses and was KO'd (6) times he'd be considered an undercard B or C-level Journeyman, correct? Why is this ok for old-school fighters but not modern fighters? Wilder and Joshua only have (5) losses between them yet they are already considered nobodies. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have (68) losses! Lennox Lewis was KOd (2) times and his top-10 ranking has suffered ever since. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have been KOd (20) times! ]]] [[[ And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Lee Savold Lost (45) times and Ted Lowry Lost (68) times yet this is perfectly fine in the mindset of Marciano fans. Dare go to a Savold vs. Marciano vid and say one wrong thing about Savold and you'll immediately have fifteen Marciano fans attacking. Little Marciano is all exaggerated hype, nothing more nothing less. ]]]
So did All the other hundreds & hundreds of champions in all the divisions. Manny Pacquiao, Sugar Ray Robinson, Marvin Hagler, Vitali, Usyk, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, on and on and on.
Zhang weighs - 285 Bakole - 285 Joyce - 280 Briggs - 265 Ruiz - 265 Grant - 265 Fury - 262 Parker - 250 Foreman - 250 Vitali - 250 Peter - 250 Joshua - 250 Whyte - 250 Ibeabuchi - 245 Lennox - 245 Kabayel - 245 Wladimir - 245 Dubois - 245 Anderson - 245 Sanchez - 245 Ruddock - 245 Hrgovic - 245 Wardley - 240 Bowe - 240 Ortiz - 240 Witherspoon - 235 Tua - 235 Dokes - 235 Bruno - 230 Morrison - 230 Cooney - 230 Wilder - 225 Thomas - 225 Usyk - 223 Lyle - 220 Tyson - 218 Holmes - 218 Ali - 218 Liston - 218 *Moore - 175 lb LH champion from 1952 to 1962.* *Charles - 181 lb HW champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.* *Marciano - 184 lb HW champion with 67" flyweight reach.* Heavyweight was only 175 lbs back then. Moore & Charles best years were at MW (147 to 160) and LH (160 to 175). Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. He never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at MW. Marciano fought between 178 and 188 over 40 times and was 'Never' weight drained!! *If size don't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since little Rocky's little era 4 generations ago?*
*"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES."* - Lennox Lewis *"NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT A PRIME TOP-NOTCH SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION."* - Ring Magazine
*Marciano's era was not stacked with talent. If it were, the foundation of his record wouldn't be based on beating over the hill fighters. They were all past their best be honest, still good boxers but all past their best, you can only beat who's in front of you and he did.*
*Marciano Ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard. He knew he'd eventually have to confront Cleveland Williams, Johansson, Patterson, Liston, Machen, Folley, Valdez, Cooper, Miteff, London, Mildenberger, Jones, Terrell, Chuvalo, Clay, Bonavena, Quarry, Martin and Ellis. We coulda found out how Rocky would have done against all these guys had he not "UP-N-QUIT" during his Prime after a measley (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years!!!* *For Pete's sake he was only 31 his last fight.* *And to make matters even worse than quitting at only 31 years of age,, his last fight had to be against a 42 year old,, Archie Moore born '1913' wikipedia!!!*
Most people openly admit that the versions of Charles and Walcott that he fought were far from prime (The Joe Louis fight really doesn't even deserve to be brought up). So it isn't the quality of Rocky's competition that his reputation is based on among the greats, it is that famous record 49-0. If Rocky's 49-0 record is the basis of his greatness then the fighters on that record should be the very best that were available. But by my reckoning that is the furthest thing from the truth. Infact when you look at the highest ranked fighters of the era, and then you look at his record, it's scandalous how many he didn't fight. Many of the ones he DID choose to fight are just as scandalous. Top fighters Marciano definitely should have fought that he didn't. *1)* Harold Johnson *2)* Oakland Billy Smith *3)* Yolande Pompey *4)* Curtis Hatchetman Sheppherd *5)* Clarence Henry *6)* Joey Maxim *7)* Marty Marshall *8)* Bob Satterfield *9)* Jimmy Bivins *10)* Lloyd Marshall *11)* Nino Valdes Those are just the definites, we could add many other names (like Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni or even Bob Baker) that while not as good, are definitely better than some of the guys he DID fight that make up that "legendary" record. Guys like these; Lee Epperson (Career Record 0-1) Jimmy Weeks (Career Record 0-1) Gilbert Cardone (Career Record 0-3) John Edwards (Career Record 1-2) Bill Hardeman (Career Record 1-7) Humphrey Jackson (Career Record 4-3) Johnnie Pretzie (Career Record 10-14) Bob Jefferson (Career Record 3-10) Gilley Ferron (Career Record 4-13) Tommy DiGiorgio (Career Record 9-15) Artie Donato (Career Record 7-13) Harry Haft (Career Record 12-7) James Connoly (Career Record 12-9) Harry Bilazarian (Career Record 15-12) Joe Dominic (Career Record 18-12) Don Mogard (Career Record 20-16) Jimmy Walls (Career Record 21-41) Eldridge Eatman (Career Record 22-21) according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, *"'Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT.'"* Marciano's 32nd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Keene Simmons who had a career 9 wins 22 losses. Marciano's 33rd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell who had a career 7 wins 16 losses. *(Harold had just lost 10 fights in a row before diving against Rocky)* Marciano's 34th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Art Henri who had a career 18 wins 29 losses. Marciano's 35th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate who had a career 12 wins 16 losses. None of these guys beat anyone of note! Many of these guys he even fought pretty far into his career when there were obviously alternatives. To top if off, he didn't even stay around for Sonny Liston. In light of this should this 49-0 record be as revered as it is to some? *25-0 Rocky fought F-LEVEL nobodies until he met 37-0 LaStarza who also fought F-LEVEL nobodies. After that fight Rocky's next opponent was F-LEVEL diver Eldridge Eatman who had just lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Why would a 26-0 boxer fight an F-LEVEL diver who had just lost 8 fights? Bcz Rocky barely won a very controversial split decision against C-LEVEL LaStarza so his handlers were AFRAID to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat. Everybody knew Eldridge was a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter but what could you do or say against the Sicilian Mafia? It's clear as day Mafia Boss Carbo and underboss Al Weill cherry picked and padded Rocky's resume his entire career which only lasted a mere 7 years. 99 out of 100 Rocky fans don't have a clue about Rocky's resume and who he actually fought. All's they see is 49-0 and automatically assume he was the Greatest Heavyweight that ever lived.* Immediately *((same day))* after 170-lb diver Eddie Ross was supposedly KO'd by Marciano he drove from Rhode Island Providence to Quebec City Quebec -- 8 hr 15 min 465.9 mi via I-93 N inorder to fight 160-lb Billy Sparks.. *(( "Amazing recovery by Eddie Ross after being KO'd by Rocky Marciano the previous day."--@ BoxRec and Providence Journal ))* Inspect Eddie's resume @ BoxRec, it's hilarious! *THE PROOF IS CLEAR AS DAY...ROCKY'S RECORD WAS PADDED!!!*
@@StevenHunterPangians1 boohoo cry about it..... it was still entertaining fisticuffs to watch.... Idgaf mafia or whatever, the fights were good and that's wht counts
*LaStarza vs. Layne!!! Watch their fight!!! It's there!!! Don't just automatically assume they must have been good, analyse the fight yourself!!! It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!!!* What's everyone waiting for?? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see LaStarza/Layne in action?? Witness LaStarza/Layne yourself inorder to understand how *"DREADFUL"* that division actually was. These guys are not topnotch professionals, more like good horseshirt Golden Glove boxers. *LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.*
*Let's put Layne and LaStarza under the MICROSCOPE, shall we?* In 1952, Rex Layne LOST to no-name Willie James. Then Layne fought a 500 journeyman Bill Peterson TWO TIMES and won both. Then Layne LOST AGAIN to Harry Matthews, a light heavyweight contender. Name ANY TOP 10 RING HEAVYWEIGHT CONTENDER today who would still be rated in the top 10 if he lost to an unrated 12-2 opponent (James) and a light heavyweight contender? Layne would've been gone from the top 10. LONG GONE. Meanwhile, also in 1952, Roland LaStarza wins a decision over Dan Bucceroni (after LOSING to him FIVE months earlier) and Roland follows that up with a LOSS to the 14-9-2 Rocky Jones. Then Roland wins a decision over Rocky Jones. Neither of these guys, Rex and Roland, at this point, should've been rated in the top 10 AT ALL. They wouldn't be today, that's for damn sure. Both Layne and Roland ... LONG GONE. Then out of nowhere Rex Layne wins a 10 round decision in Utah against Ezzard Charles, in Ezzard's first fight after losing his fourth fight with Walcott. Ezzard stopped Layne in their previous fight. In their third encounter a couple months later, Ezzard would drop him three or four times and beat Layne again. BUT, on this night, the fight goes the distance. And the LONE official and "celebrity referee" Jack Dempsey scored it two rounds Rex, one Round Ezzard ... SEVEN ROUNDS EVEN for the local boy Rex. And the fans cheered. And the two Utah papers had Charles winning, by the way. Today, that would be SCANDALOUS. Layne clearly wasn't better than Ezzard. But based on that (2 rounds to 1, with seven even) scorecard ... REX LAYNE - who today wouldn't be rated going into that fight at all - gets rated #1 by Ring. And, in his next fight, before getting dropped and battered all over the ring by an angry Ezzard Charles, Rex takes on ROLAND ... coming off his rematch with the no-name Rocky Jones ... and Rex LOSES to Roland ... on what was considered a controversial decision, too. And Roland gets ranked #1. (Rating Rex #1 was bad enough. Passing the #1 rating along to Roland is probably worse.) Then Marciano signs to fight Roland ... because ROLAND IS THE #1 CONTENDER. And everyone goes "Well, Roland must've deserved it. He beat the #1 contender!" It's laughable. You want to talk about a dreadful series of ratings and situations culminating in Roland getting rated #1. That is brutal. Today, Marciano, Roland, Layne, celebrity referee Dempsey, and the entire Ring Ratings board, the National Boxing Assocation ... would be thrown under the bus. Back then, people were like, "Okay" Scandalous scoring. Ineptitude by the ratings body. Take your pick.
Roland LaStarza's interview about his two fights with Marciano: *"I'm sure as income taxes that I was the winner. Every reporter there said I was robbed. Before the first fight Al Weill promised us a return immediately if the fight was close. The next day he said, 'We don't want to go back'. After that he avoided us for 3 ½ years."* LaStarza discounted the stories about the damage Marciano inflicted on his arms in their second fight. *"There was a rumor after the fight that he hurt my shoulders and arms a lot, but the truth was that I had weak elbows from the fight before, and they were giving me trouble. With the state of my elbows I really could not give a good account of myself. During the fight I was under the influence of pain killers and I really needed them. Marciano couldn't hit me on the behind for the first five rounds.Then in the sixth I got hit on my bad elbow, the strength went out of me, and I just stood there from then on. He tried his damnedest to KO me but I was still standing in the end.* 'A RIVALRY FOR THE AGES: ROLAND LaSTARZA REMEMBERS THE MARCIANO WARS' by James Dusgate November 1990 Ring magazine page 46.
@@kiinbcde Muhammmad used to walk around the house covered in his own semen and make her child bride Aisha scrape the dried up semen off his clothes wearing what he would go to Salat - *Sahih Al Bukhari* 230 - _Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar_ : *I asked `Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ🐷) and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible"* 232 - _Narrated `Aishah_ : *_I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet (ﷺ🐷) and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them_* *Sunan An Nasa'i* - *Chapter* : *Rubbing Semen From A Garment(188)* *299* - _It was narrated that 'Aishah said_ : *_"I used to see it on the garment of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ🐷) and scratch it off"_* 296 - _It was narrated that 'Aishah said_ : *"I used to scrape the Janabah." On another occasion she said: "The semen from the garment of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ🐷)"* *Sunan Ibn Majah* 537 - _It was narrated that 'Aishah said_ : *_"I often scraped it (semen) from the garment of the Messenger of Allah with my hand"_*
@@adrianbelko7683 @Adrian The son of adultery, your history is full of blood, wars, and molestation of children in churches. Secondly, your flimsy suspicions have been answered thousands of times, but you are not seeking the truth.
He was so humble he gave his opponent much credit and for himself he just said he thought he hurt him and that he was able to knock him out on the 14th... A true gentleman and a legend of a boxer 👏👏👏
37yr old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb light heavyweight. *Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights.* Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime. 40yr old cruiser Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with 68 fights before facing the light heavyweight. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. *This is important. Walcott lost more than 4 years when he was KO'd by a tremendous right cross smash from the 6' 4" 256 lb giant Abe Simon in 1940-02-12. Walcott did not return till 1944-06-07, 4 years 4 months.* Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. *Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.* Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing the light heavyweight. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. *Charles was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease against Walcott in 1951.* It's in Ezzard's biography 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life' by William Dettloff. *Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.* 42yr old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing the light heavyweight. Archie said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was."* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears Wouldn't that put grandfather Archie in his mid 40's? *Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.* 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky Marciano only fought *"8yrs"* before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his secretive debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought *"7yrs"* bcz there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight. *You have to respect every competitor for stepped into the ring but after studying all of his opponents my gut instinct also says Rocky is one of the biggest frauds in boxing history. One way or another. 49 wins 20 losses Journeyman Joe getting 6 attempts at the title in 6 years proves how weak and fraudulent the division actually was.*
Joe Louis' 8 fight winning streak which helped him become the #1 ranked contender before he faced the 184 lb light heavyweight. Below is the *"SIX" (6)* boxers Louis beat: #1) 196 lb Cesar Brian (Decision) Brian had an abysmal 36% KO's. Brian's career record of 49 wins 11 losses looks okay until ya see (25) of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians. #2) 191 lb Freddie Beshore (KO) Beshore had an abysmal 24% KO's. His career record was 28 wins 10 losses. 5' 9" Beshore was on a 4-fight losing streak before he faced Joe. Why would Joe even consider fighting someone who had just lost 4 fights? *We all know why!!!* #3) 187 lb Omelio Agramonte (Decision) *Oh wow, oh my, Joe looked terrible, absolutely terrible. What was Joe thinking, he should have stayed retired. I watched their entire fight and Joe's combinations were completely gone. Agramonte looked as if he only weighed 160 lbs. What a shame.* #4) 194 lb Andy Walker (TKO) 17-8-7 Andy had an abysmal 17% KO's. His career record was 18 wins 20 losses. *It's clear as day what's going on here. Smh.* #5) 188 lb Omelio Agramonte -- (Decision AGAIN) -- Why Twice? *We all know why!!!* #6) 190 lb Lee Savold (KO) Even the announcer said, *"Joe Louis reflexes are but a memory."* These two should have been retired. *They just pushed Louis through towards Marciano so everyone could fill their pockets with $$$.* Savold had a career 45 losses and was KO'd 12 times. #7) 197 lb Cesar Brian -- (Decision AGAIN) -- Why Twice? *We all know why!!!* #8) 180 lb Jimmy Bivins (Decision) 5 feet 8.8 inches (1.75 m) light heavyweight Bivins had an abysmal 27% KO's. Yes little Jimmy was a Hall of Famer. But he was a Hall of Famer @ Light heavyweight, not Heavyweight. This is the *'"Heavyweight"'* division we're taking about right? *Talk about bum-of-the-month-club, WOW. A prime Joe would have easily accumulated 8 knockouts against those powder-puffers. It was obviously a predetermined carefully hand-picked set-up.* Boxing-elites, Italian-mafioso, and the IRS really needed Joe to be ranked #1 inorder to get their Louis vs. Marciano $$-SHOW-$$. The only loyalty the Italian-mob had was to $$$. Hey, they took 50% of Marciano's earnings and all ticket sales, all in all $2 Million. $2 Million in 1955 is equivalent to $21 Million today. Carbo and Weill had complete control over Rocky and carefully selected his opponents. *In May of 1950, the IRS finished a full audit of Louis's past returns and announced, that with interest and penalties, he owed the government more than $500,000. Louis had no choice but to return to the ring. The Louis camp negotiated a deal with the IRS under which 36yr old Louis would come out of retirement, with all his net proceeds going to the IRS. After boxing Joe ended up in the pro wrestling circuit and they still took his money. But that gig finished when Cowboy Rocky Lee lunged onto him with both feet, his boots colliding with Louis' torso. The crash cracked three of his ribs. It left him with a cardiac contusion and officially ended his stint as a wrestler. Children used to send him one dollar in the mail. In his biography he said a child walked up and handed him a dime. When Joe was broken physically and mentally the IRS finally stopped collecting. He lived with friends until he died.*
@@Robert.Levi.Miller who did he avoid? If he fought all the top contenders when he was active then quit at the top then I can't see what criticism there can be of him.
Walcott being granted *(6)* title attempts in a *(5½)* year span (1947 12-05 to 1953 05-15) proves how shallow and weak the so-called 'Heavyweight' division was at that time. *And (5) of his title opportunities came immediately after a loss!!!* This is important. *Giant Abe Simon put Walcott into retirement for 4 years 4 months, from 1940 02-12 to 1944 06-07. It's virtually impossible that Walcott was even remotely prime when he fought the little 184 lb light heavyweight Marciano. Rocky himself said Walcott was only 90% of himself @ 'The Marciano Tapes' #3.* Walcott's most notable victories include wins over light heavyweight Charles, light heavyweight Maxim and light heavyweight Johnson. Light heavyweight Charles lost *(25)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times. Light heavyweight Maxim lost *(29)* times. Light heavyweight Johnson lost *(11)* times and was KO'd *(5)* times. Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott lost *(20)* times and was KO'd *(6)* times, he was C-LEVEL at best.
By way of comparison undisputed undefeated no°1 p4p bantamweight Naoya Inoue has 67½″ reach, longer than light heavyweight Rocky's 67" reach. Inoue is 5' 5", Rocky 5' 9". Rocky fans continuously try to debate me. What's there to debate? How to magically make Rocky bigger? Throughout his career he only weighed 178 to 186. History cannot be changed. Charles Moore Marciano etcetera were light heavyweights period. As a matter of fact the overwhelming majority of that division was filled with middleweights and/or light heavyweights masquerading as Heavyweights. Perfect example being Harry 'Kid' Matthews who was for the most part a career middleweight. Matthews weighed a mere 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130, and you call that *"Heavyweight"* division? Shouldn't one have to fight topnotch genuine Heavyweights inorder to be respected as an authentic *"Heavyweight"* champion?
The fact that this mans speech and cognitive function wasn't affected boxing in those days, 15 rounders as well and his come forward toe to toe brawling, is a true testament to his name
They also didn't punch as hard back then so you need to take that into account. Foreman and Shavers destroyed more sentences than a modern day High School graduate and that's saying something. Cheers and Merry Christmas.
@@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube human biology has been the same back then and in modern times so I think your comment about them not hitting harder back then is unfounded, also the gloves had a lot less padding back then and the referees would allow fighters to take a lot more punishment than today's standards before they would stop a fight, also merry Christmas to you I hope you have a good one 👍
@@naeemahmed2748 How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter. Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula. Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges. Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!! Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
@@naeemahmed2748 Two Hall of Fame light heavyweights Charles & Moore simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any authentic 200+ lb Heavyweights. Name ONE top-notch prime 'Heavyweight' Marciano fought?
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done. Barbara tended to obesity, had a serious drinking problem and smoked heavily-she would die of lung cancer in 1974-whereas her husband's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them." @1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had •••ies, night and day.... A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils." @1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI "That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal. @1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
As early as 1400BC, the Susruta of India advocated the ingestion of testes. Likewise, the ancient Egyptians accorded medicinal powers to the testes --by Charles E. Yesalis Pennsylvania University & Michael S. Bahrke, Human Kinetics - History of Doping in Sport 1935 scientists, led by chemist Adolf Butenandt, develop anabolics as a way to treat testosterone deficiency. Butenandt would later win the Nobel Prize. 1940-45 Anabolics is used by soldiers to promote aggressiveness and physical strength. Retrospectively, according to his physician, Hitler's mental state toward the end of his life exhibits characteristics that some scientists associate with heavy steroid use: mania, acute paranoid psychoses, overly aggressive and violent behavior--(symptoms Marciano suffered)--e.g. @ "1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI" 1945-47 Anabolic steroids are used to help reverse the wasting effects of war and concentration-camp imprisonment. The use of drugs to enhance physical performance has been a feature of human competition since the beginning of recorded history. Some time in the late 40s top professional boxers would have had access to PEDs, as athletes in the Olympics certainly did. By the 50s it was common knowledge that PEDs gave you a physical boost and boxers across the world would have been trying to get their hands on some. Athletes started to use roids in the 1930s and by the 1950s they were prolific. To think millionaire Marciano was drug free is ludacris. During his time Rocky Marciano was the most popular professional athlete in the world and he had the best physicians helping him--💊💊💊🤢💉💉💉
Nobel Prize winners Butenandt and Hanisch created the first synthetic version of testosterone from cholesterol in August of 1935. Synthetic testosterone was made available to the medical community for experimentation and treatment. * In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day. His uncle, Charlie Piccento, said he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one. * Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning. "He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one," and "EVERY morning." [[ He was definitely using!!! ]] Marciano wore a hair piece when he was older, which proves that he had a deceitful nature. He would also go into fits of rage in personal life during which he would attack people. He'd hold folks out high window if they would not pay up. He'd even hit payphones off the wall if he could not retrieve his dime--@1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI THE EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING Rocco Francis Marchegiano 💊💊🤢💉💉 USED!!!
Charles Bravely fought (20) years........little Rocky only 7 years Walcott Bravely fought (23) years........little Rocky only 7 years Moore Bravely fought (27) years..........little Rocky only 7 years Savold Bravely fought (19) years.........little Rocky only 7 years Lowry Bravely fought (16) years..........little Rocky only 7 years Charles Bravely fought (121) times.......little Rocky Quit at 49 Walcott Bravely fought (70) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49 Moore Bravely fought (220) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49 Savold Bravely fought (142) times........little Rocky Quit at 49 Lowry Bravely fought (149) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49 Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times Walcott Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times Savold Lost (45) times and was KOd (12) times Lowry Lost (68) times and was KOd (3) times Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats because they are always suppressed. Imagine if today's Heavyweights Fury and Usyk had LOSING records like that? They would be NOBODIES!!! Little cruiserweight Marciano only fought a measly "7yrs" before he abruptly "Quit" during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his secretive amateur/professional debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" because there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Holyoke was in a circuit of gritty New England cities where ethnic rivalries played out in the boxing rings. Holyoke shoulda been named Bumville. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight. Little Rocky "Quitting" so soon is not only shameful but not fair to other genuine Heavyweights that had 15 to 20 year careers. Dozens of real-Heavyweights could have also retired undefeated if they had "Quit" after only "7yrs". Marciano was a "Quitter"!!!
Consider that in the December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Rocky Marciano finishing a distant 9th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 9th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’ 5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Rocky? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 9, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 9 all time heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired. WTF? HOW DOES tiny DWARFISM-ARMS GO FROM 9TH PLACE DURING THE EARLY 1960s TO TOP 4 GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2023? Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why tiny-165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165lbs (Fitzsimmons) to 328lbs (Valuev), ranking bodies still exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, even though they ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES!!! "AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Charles and Moore were "light" heavyweights moonlighting at Heavyweights. Algorithms can't see Joe Louis's reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano went 49-0 and beat 4 Hall of Famers. That's why all polls and rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt.
@@Robert.Levi.Miller dude was a heavy ass hitter and you haven't even been in a pro setting so you can't even be considered a quitter shut the hell up
@@Robert.Levi.Miller so, you are the judge to determine how a boxer career should last, right? 🤦 Marciano never said anything about his record or why he retired so early, you are making assumptions based on your freaking stupid preferences and just embarrassing yourself... you came to insult a guy, dead for many years now, complimenting one of his rivals in this video, because he was a gentleman and you aren't, and he's one of the best ever, like it or not... deal with it
Marciano fanboys describe him as being so fierce that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have all these Rocky vids saturated with so much exaggerated hyperbolic nonsense that it's laughable. Who's ribs, jaws, noses, eye-sockets, collar-bones, did little Rocky break? WAITING---TIC--TOC--TIC--TOC ..... ""NOBODY""!!!! ""ZERO""!!!! Roland LaStarza with all his supposed 'Broken Bones' and 'Ruptured Blood Vessels' only had minor surgery, what's the big deal? Y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated. When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative TV acting career. Roland simply had tiny miniscule bone-chips removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. It's a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms & elbows. Besides LaStarza said, "I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano." I have the article. Here's a newspaper article about Layne's tooth: "Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield." So Layne only sustained ONE (1) broken tooth! Then he fought Charles exactly 3 months later. What's the big deal? Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice etcetera. "He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference." -- written by a Rocky fanboy 12yrs ago (misinformation at it's finest). Don't be so gullible, Marciano only fed on former middleweights and light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. He was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. Marciano broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little rocco is god , because when he walked the earth shook.
@@keemoifyyou don't seem to understand. Tyson wasn't undefeated and he also didn't have as many flights. That's cute that you have a little crush on Tyson, but he wasn't nearly the fighter that Rocky was.
I reckon Tyson is Amazing and powerful, intimidating and all that, but Rocky was as tough as all fuck with a a massive, and a granite chin. Plus he was underfeated, and fought warriors
@Alexmurphy5289 😂😂 really, the hardest right hand in the history of heavyweight? Come on ,dude barely weighted 185, in today time he would be a light heavyweight, enough said...
Champion Boxing right now consists of 12, 3 minute rounds. 36 minutes of fighting total. Rocky fought in the 15 round days (45 minute bout). In the 13th round they had both already fought for over 36 minutes. And rock still got a clean walk off KO. That's fucking insane.
All hail the greatest heavyweight champion of all time! The one and ONLY UNDEFEATED heavyweight champion of the world! ROCKY and this ain't no movie! Respect from East Los Angeles 🐾🐾👣
Notice how respectful Rocky was about his opponents - the tougher they were, the more he respected them. And no trash talk nonsense, unlike today's fighters.
No disrespect but Marciano was known for taking fights with older and retired boxers One case in point is Archie Moor. With the UFC it would be considered fair and helpful to older retired UFC fighters due to the poor pay standars of Dana White so that retired fighters don't starve and wind up homeless
What a champion. The Rock was a phenomenon. Marciano was continuously the hardest training boxer the sport's ever seen. A phenomenal work ethic, no matter who he fought.
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done. Barbara tended to obesity, had a serious drinking problem and smoked heavily-she would die of lung cancer in 1974-whereas her husband's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them." @1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had •••ies, night and day.... A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils." @1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI "That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal. @1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
Not just 49 wins, it was 49 victories when boxing was brutal, a true man's sport! I remember as a kid, they'd go 20 rounds at the least! The more modernized boxing became,the shorter the fights! Nowadays, lucky to find a 12 rounder! He was a machine, a true beast in the ring, but, a class act out on the Town. Floyd Mayweather Jr. Would not be able to accomplish his undefeated streak back then, his defensive style would not even be accepted by the refs and judges, I believe, back then, you couldn't or better said, wouldn't be allowed to dance around the entire time, as Floyd's style entails.
How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter. Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula. Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges. Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!! Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
Maybe because he was smart enough to realize bashing and criticizing his toughest opponent would make him look bad. Some boxers end up with their foot in their mouth because they talk so much trash about an opponent who may end up giving them a hard time or whooping their ass
Charles Bravely fought (20) years........little Rocky only 7 years Walcott Bravely fought (23) years........little Rocky only 7 years Moore Bravely fought (27) years..........little Rocky only 7 years Savold Bravely fought (19) years.........little Rocky only 7 years Lowry Bravely fought (16) years..........little Rocky only 7 years Charles Bravely fought (121) times.......little Rocky Quit at 49 Walcott Bravely fought (70) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49 Moore Bravely fought (220) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49 Savold Bravely fought (142) times........little Rocky Quit at 49 Lowry Bravely fought (149) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49 Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times Walcott Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times Savold Lost (45) times and was KOd (12) times Lowry Lost (68) times and was KOd (3) times Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats because they are always suppressed. Imagine if today's Heavyweights Fury and Usyk had LOSING records like that? They would be NOBODIES!!! Little cruiserweight Marciano only fought a measly "7yrs" before he abruptly "Quit" during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his secretive amateur/professional debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" because there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Holyoke was in a circuit of gritty New England cities where ethnic rivalries played out in the boxing rings. Holyoke shoulda been named Bumville. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight. Little Rocky "Quitting" so soon is not only shameful but not fair to other genuine Heavyweights that had 15 to 20 year careers. Dozens of real-Heavyweights could have also retired undefeated if they had "Quit" after only "7yrs". Marciano was a "Quitter"!!!
Consider that in the December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Rocky Marciano finishing a distant 9th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 9th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’ 5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Rocky? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 9, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 9 all time heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired. WTF? HOW DOES tiny DWARFISM-ARMS GO FROM 9TH PLACE DURING THE EARLY 1960s TO TOP 4 GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2023? Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why tiny-165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165lbs (Fitzsimmons) to 328lbs (Valuev), ranking bodies still exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, even though they ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES!!! "AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Charles and Moore were "light" heavyweights moonlighting at Heavyweights. Algorithms can't see Joe Louis's reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano went 49-0 and beat 4 Hall of Famers. That's why all polls and rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt.
A lot of the Italians got away from boxing but a lot of us still hit really hard. Jersey Joe reminded me a little of Tyson’s build. What an amazing era of boxing this was!
@@goricaj1 I’m sure there are some. I don’t want to knock Malinaggi, he is still a fighter and deserves respect for stepping in the ring but there are probably much better fighters who chose something else among Italians. Slavs have some tough dudes by the way. Pretty strong people.
When Joe Louis was in the hospital & couldn’t pay his bills,Marciano quietly payed his bill.CLASS ACT
*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much!
Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.
Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!
Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
*IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:*
*TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN*
*BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.*
*OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD*
*THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET*
*OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS*
*CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM*
*BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.*
*THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY*
*ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT*
*WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED*
*HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.*
*CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT*
*CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!*
*IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
Muhammad Ali, "Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard *unrecognizable* folks in Africa."
Cosell, "But you think you could have beaten him too?"
Ali, "Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination.
Cosell, " You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."
Ali, "Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"
Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. ((( *Why was the most important part removed?? Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano"!!!* )))
ABC'S WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS {MUHAMMAD ALI VERSUS THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME; DAYTONA 500}
Summary: This edition concludes the segment "Muhammad Ali versus the Greatest Heavyweight Champions of All Time" in which Howard Cosell and Muhammad Ali discuss the careers of great boxers. In this final portion, Cosell, with world heavyweight champion Ali at Ali's Deer Lake, Pa., training camp, discusses fight films involving these fighters: Joe Louis, Max Schmeling, Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, Pat Valentino, and Jersey Joe Walcott. Dave Diles reports with a sports news update on the final lap of the Daytona 500 automobile race as Bill Flemming narrates the tape of the finish. Ali and Cosell resume their discussion of fight films involving the following fighters: Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, and Rocky Marciano. ABC February 15, 1976 Sunday 8 ½ hrs. ((( *Dave Diles explains the entire 8 ½ hrs. coverage @ 1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage from NascarAllOut* )))
((( Moral of the story is so much of what Ali actually said about Rocky has been removed!!! *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!!!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades!!! The honest truth is Rocky uploaders removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda!!! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano!!!* Why not just use Rocky's resume to defend him instead of hiding vital information? *Well because Rocky's resume is Horseshirt, that's why!!!* Y'all can order copies *@ Archival Television Audio Inc.* just type in Muhammad Ali. 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore Louis Conn.. *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, February 15 1976* )))
Quietly but everyone knows about it 😂
@@Bobby.D.1776 Why did you people invade Italy? You have no right to other people's land.
@@Bobby.D.1776go back where you came from.
“I hit Rock harder than I’ve hit anyone in my life, and he got up angry.”- Archie Moore
That's awesome that's the Rock
Archie tell that again and again so dumbels understand it coming from you
that would be terrifying! 🥊
Didn't he say that boxing Rocky was like walking into the propeller of an airplane?
Ole Mongoose was a beast 😂
R.I.P. Rocky and Jersey Joe !
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
Mike Tyson was gifted with type II fast-twitch muscle fibers. He came out the gate sprinting like 220 pound Quarter 🐎 Horse, while 185 pound Marciano came out the gate shuffling forward like Little 🐢Turtle. 1980's 20yr old phenom Mike easily KO's Rocky 10 outta 10 times!
@@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez😂 do you have any idea how hard Marciano punched? Go watch every fight then come back here and we’ll talk.
@@River553 37 year old Joe Louis had already been fightin "17yrs" with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing little Rocky. Joe's speedy reflexes were non-existent and it looked as if he was wadding through mud. And that 8 fight winning streak Joe had before fightin Rocky was a complete set-up using carefully selected hand-picked featherfisted opponents.
38/39 year old cruiserweight Journeyman Joe lost all throughout his entire career, beginning, middle and end. He had 49 wins 20 losses according to BoxRec. Walcott had already been fightin for "22yrs" with an abysmal 44% KO's before facing little Rocky. He definitely was not prime. Walcott Lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fightin "15yrs" with 95 fights before facing little Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were already behind him at light heavyweight, not moonlighting at cruiserweight. Charles Lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.
42 year old grandfather light heavyweight Moore had already been fightin "20yrs" with 178 fights before facing little Rocky. Exactly 95% of his 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruiserweights. Moore was fighting professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.
Meantime little cruiserweight Marciano only fought a measly "7yrs" before he abruptly "Quit" during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his secretive amateur/professional debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" because there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights.
Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Holyoke was in a circuit of gritty New England cities where ethnic rivalries played out in the boxing rings. Holyoke shoulda been named Bumville. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.
Little Rocky "Quitting" so soon is not only shameful but not fair to other genuine Heavyweights that had 15 to 20 year careers. Dozens of real-Heavyweights could have also retired undefeated if they had "Quit" after only "7yrs". Marciano was a "Quitter"!!!
@@River553JOURNEYMAN JERSEY JOE WALCOTT EXPOSED
There are few heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are better known for their losses than their wins. Jersey Joe Walcott's high profile losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins.
During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them.
In his overall career, Walcott had a 49-20-1 record and was KO'd 6 times (BoxRec). Based on these less than impressive stats it is difficult to consider him anymore than a good Journeyman.
Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. 8 of them came against fighters who were winless. The only two ranked fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the lightning in the bottle KO of Ezzard Charles.
Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter higher than he deserves based on impressive losses. Walcott was winless in all 4 of his fights vs Louis/Marciano and was KO'd 3 times.
The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the heavyweight division must have been at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss.
Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is no way he would have been granted this many opportunities after losing so many title attempts.
Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great heavyweight champion, but a good B+level Journeyman.
[[[ If a fighter today had (20) losses and was KO'd (6) times he'd be considered an undercard B or C-level Journeyman, correct? Why is this ok for old-school fighters but not modern fighters? Wilder and Joshua only have (5) losses between them yet they are already considered nobodies. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have (68) losses! Lennox Lewis was KOd (2) times and his top-10 ranking has suffered ever since. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have been KOd (20) times! ]]]
[[[ And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Lee Savold Lost (45) times and Ted Lowry Lost (68) times yet this is perfectly fine in the mindset of Marciano fans. Dare go to a Savold vs. Marciano vid and say one wrong thing about Savold and you'll immediately have fifteen Marciano fans attacking. Little Marciano is all exaggerated hype, nothing more nothing less. ]]]
A man ALL boxers should aspire to be like. What a humble gentleman and absolute warrior.
Agreed. This short video demonstrated that well
Started boxing late in life, flat footed, slow, but had the most hardcore work ethic of any fighter.
He had a custom made 200lb bag to strengthen his fists.
The result: undefeated.
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was sentenced to 7 years hard labour, Murphy 10 years, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorably discharged. -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton May 29, 2018*
For two decades the Marciano's have been trying to remove this article *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993* but cannot because it's all factual. Many defamation lawsuits have been filed but all failed. Little Rocky was seriously messed up. His friends tried to help but he refused. He caused his own demise through his insatiable desire for sex and money.
Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact. It was all Rocky's fault, he pressured the amateur pilot into flying even though he knew they were headed towards severe thunderstorms. Why? What was so important in Des Moines? His business was loansharking and he had to collect 35K. Which is equivalent to 290K today.
49 wins, 43 knockouts, 0 defeats. Rocky Marciano, a hero to all those who are told they can't.
And plenty of mob influence.
better than Floyd? absofuc*inglutely
@@brandorios5989 Listen, Mayweather is a savvy boxer and business man. But he ain't dal best ever. Hand picking opponents and dodging Pacquiao doesn't sit well with me as a competitor. Dal goat has 2 take on all comers. Floyd didn't do that. And I'm a fan of his.
@@Cisco31 like Canelo 😂
@@2anti386 That may b. I don't follow boxing anymore like I used 2. But, at least Canelo has fought really tuff opponents.
When he said 13th I remembered these guys used to fight 15 round fights. It's crazy how insane these guys were
It was 1982 when the 15 round fights got set back to 12 and 10 rounds. Almost certainly as a result from the Ray Mancini, Duk Koo Kim fight.
@@jameswalker5645 Ah! That makes sense. Thank you!
@@jameswalker5645the three knockdown rule was around before then. If I remember correctly. I just think it was an option for the fighters and/or just rarely implemented by the refs unless someone had been taking a BEATING for a while (ex. Joe vs George).
They also fought a lot more frequently back then also
Crazy they used to fight indefinitely until there was a winner
We as public THINK we tough .... imagine puching a dude in the face for 40 minutes straight and he just wont stop coming at you
Best description of Marciano I've heard
Throw in towel
yes and then He knocks you out. almost EVERYONE he fought was bigger than he.
Very well said....... the guy did not even know what the words give up. Mean.. wow.
there's this anecdote, I can't remember the source, that one reporter supposedly asked Archie Moore if there had been a moment in his fight against Marciano where he realized he was in some deep trouble, and Moore went "Yes, the first round."
The reporter was understandably confused, cause the first round was the one where Moore knocked Marciano down, and Moore continued "I hit him harder than I have ever hit any man, and he just got up mad".
After hearing Rocky talk, with so much style and grace, he changed my opinion about him. I respect this true gentleman and champ.
I mean, yeah, but we all just watched him get in that last hook after he'd KO'd the guy. Casually as he was walking away.
@@sleepingstate1978he wasnt down all the way..thats not illegal and every boxer will do it..
@@swampghost72 didn't say it was illegal. But it isn't gentlemen like
@@sleepingstate1978gentlemen in the ring?🤔
@@clintwalker6389 If your point is that fighting is outside of being a gentleman, perhaps you have missed how this whole thread started?
However, when you are in a fight there is definitely an honourable way to do it, vs not. Little things, stopping when the bell goes, not biting, punching above the belt, etc, etc.
One badass Man right there
Lol... That guy's a FRAUD...
Mike Graham, Rocky was bad by yesterdays' standards, but not by todays'. One of his fights was against his own brother. Just to build his record.
And smart enough to get out with style ! Although I miss seeing him in the ring . We still have videos !
@@karma4553 Nope, just smart enough to amass a bogus legacy without actually fighting anybody!
Marciano is a Freaking Fraud;
@@JuanGonzales-zd9yf What? You think today’s standards are harder than yesterday’s?
Back in the old days you either liked Rocky, Joe Louis or Sugar Ray Robinson but all 3 got respect.
Marciano was decapitated in a plane crash. I remember hearing the story of Joe Louis attending his funeral and saying words to the effect of, “The Lord is getting a beautiful man.” I heard that as a kid, and it stays with me to this day. Champions.
@@marcomaceri4161 Wonder if they found his toupee?
@@marcomaceri4161 How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis
Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter.
Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula.
Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges.
Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!!
Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
Robinson would have got a lot more respect if he didn't run from so many fighters we might have actually got to see some great fighters if he wasn't so scared refused to fight everyone from the black murderous row
@Nathan Clarke yea me too, I remember Ali before his layoff.
A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise... Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
The only one? You sure?
@@wilfredosantana9199 probably means World Champion
Floyd Mayweather begs to differ.
He said the only heavyweight.
Although Tyson Fury did retire undefeated he came back and has not had as many fights as Rocky and certainly not as many tough opponents
Rocky was an amazing man. He set an amazing example for so many, we lost him way too soon.
*Marciano Ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard. He knew he'd eventually have to confront Cleveland Williams, Johansson, Patterson, Liston, Machen, Folley, Valdez, Cooper, Miteff, London, Mildenberger, Jones, Terrell, Chuvalo, Clay, Bonavena, Quarry, Martin and Ellis. We coulda found out how Rocky would have done against all these guys had he not "UP-N-QUIT" during his Prime after a measley (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years!!!*
*For Pete's sake he was only 31 his last fight.*
*And to make matters even worse than quitting at only 31 years of age,, his last fight had to be against a 42 year old,, Archie Moore born '1913' wikipedia!!!*
Rocky's *"'(0)"'* meant *Everything!!!*
Without it he wouldn't be ranked top-30.
Only *"'ONE'"* loss would have changed his entire legacy.
Since so much emphasis is put on the *"'Perfect Record'"* can someone please explain why Charles Walcott Moore Savold Lowry Layne Cockell Wilson Shkor Walls Henri Simmons Eatman Muscato and Beshore *LOST (("'411"')) TIMES?*
Charles Lost (25) times
Walcott Lost (20) times
Moore Lost (23) times
Savold Lost (45) times
Lowry Lost (68) times
Layne Lost (17) times
Cockell Lost (14) times
Wilson Lost (27) times
Shkor Lost (19) times
Walls Lost (41) times
Henri Lost (29) times
Simmons Lost (22) times
Eatman Lost (21) times
Muscato Lost (23) times
Beshore Lost (17) times
(and many more with double digit losses)
*IF ""0"" IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS THEN LITTLE ROCKY'S OPPONENTS WERE ""HORSESHIT""!!!!*
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)*
1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)*
2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1
3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1
4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)*
1947
5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1
6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)*
*1947-03-17 Professional Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, March 1948.*
1948 *(Rocky's back to amateur bouts)*
7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1
8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3
9. February George McInnis TKO-1
10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)*
11. March Fred Fischera KO
12. March George McGinnis W-3
*1948-07-12 Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano. Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson bcz once Professional you cannot go back to the amateurs.*
Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........Rocky only *(7)* years
Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........Rocky only *(7)* years
Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...Rocky only *(7)* years
LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....Rocky only *(7)* years
Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
*According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength.* - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City
*"Marciano admitted he could not beat prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian
This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who *!!!!*
When I was little my Dad used to watch boxing and I would just watch him watch boxing. My Dad fought in the military and was really good. His favorite fighter was Rocky Marciano. So everytime I got a chance to see a film of the Rock fighting, I would watch him. I read every book I could find, every article. I was obsessed because my Dad was my hero and I wanted to know more about his heroes. When Dad sparred and even taught me and my brother he taught us Rocky’s style. Staying low, constant head movement, etc. I remember the first time I saw Joe Frazier box, I knew “this guy is emulating Rocky.” He soon became my favorite fighter. Thanks to UA-cam I’ve long since pulled up every fight available of the Rock’s and it’s just incredible. It makes me realize what an amazing talent he was, but mainly makes me miss my Dad.
I got a little chocked up reading your post. Its refreshing to hear someone express love for their father. Our culture has become very hostile to father/child relationships. Good fathers make good people. Glad you had that experience.
@@olliefoxx7165 i knew your daddy. Redd Foxx....we did many lines of powder together
How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis
Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter.
Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula Of Transylvania Did.
Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges.
Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!!
Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
Ever wonder why little Marciano is always ranked so high? Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why tiny-165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. How's it possible tiny dwarfism arms ranks higher than Fury Holmes Lewis Vitali Wladimir Foreman Bowe Tyson etc? Well now we all know why!
Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165lbs (Fitzsimmons) to 328lbs (Valuev), ranking bodies still exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, even though they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES, imagine that.
"AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Moore was 41 years "old" and "light" heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. Algorithms don't see Louis's reflexes were non-existent. The Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0.
That's why ALL Heavyweight rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt. Unfortunately Rocky fanboys cling to his ranking as if it were life and death.
@@Bobby.D.1776 Did you get molested by a Rocky Marciano doll when you were a kid? Jesus, you act like he's knocking you off the all time rankings. Pretty sure Ali thought pretty highly of Marciano, is he a fanboy then?
Marciano was relentless. His cardio was tremendous, and he just never stopped coming at you until you were finished.
Those words remind me of a young Julio Cesar Chavez
Just watching this clip, dude was a monster
A gentleman outside the ring. An animal inside one.
And he respected his opponent.. Once he put Jersey Joe down after the hit..He listened to the ref and got back! Total class act!👍🏼
@@jahrah103No, he didn't. He hit him when he was already out on his knees. It is clear as day on the video.
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was sentenced to 7 years hard labour, Murphy 10 years, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorable discharged. Although Marciano was mysteriously and suspiciously allowed to rejoin the military for the duration of 1946 in order to receive an honorable discharge -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton May 29, 2018*
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell
July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England
Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2.
Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story.
Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but mysteriously was allowed to re-join the army for a 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. *"In all my years i have never heard of a dishonorable flipping back into an honorable. The fix was in. He was already protected."*
Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact. It was all Rocky's fault, he pressured the amateur pilot into flying even though he knew they were headed towards severe thunderstorms. Why? What was so important in Des Moines? His business was loansharking and he had to collect 35K. Which is equivalent to 290K today.
"He's not human... he's like a piece of iron" -Drago
Miller weighs - 305
Zhang - 285
Bakole - 285
Teremoana - 285
Ruiz - 275
Briggs - 265
Grant - 265
Fury - 262
Jalolov - 253
Parker - 250
Foreman - 220/250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Lennox - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Dubois - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Itauma - 240
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 223
Lyle - 220
Tyson - 218
Holmes - 218
Wilder - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
Frazier - 206
Dempsey - 187
*Moore - 175 lb Light heavyweight champion from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 lb Heavyweight champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 lb Heavyweight champion with 67" flyweight reach.*
Little Marciano's era was undoubtedly the smallest and weakest Heavyweight division in boxing history and that's not even remotely debatable!
Mr. Marciano was very respectful to us in a time when he didn’t have to be. He deserves the utmost respect from us for that.
✊🏾
And when did you meet him, 1965?
@@remylebeau3089 gambit?
@@systemoverlrd indeed 😎
To be a fighter you must have a noble Hearth, having a noble Hearth means you can’t be racist.
ItaliansAmericans were victims of racism too, by the way.
Humility, personified. A graceful man.
Imagine it was only a 12 round fight
@@connorjones2636why 😅
Yes a true champion
Can’t freakin believe the ref is counting while the man is completely unconscious with his head face down in the Mat
@@welhynole4082yeah I know,seems like he would’ve checked to see if he was alive.
That knockout punch was vicious.. it looked like Walcott got shot in the head
even though this is old, when I saw the fight on ESPN classic one night, watching without having any knowledge of the fight, never saw a video clip, my jaw dropped when Walcott did and when the ref was counting I couldn't help but yell " why are you counting?!? call an ambulance!! ".
@@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk I hear ya
Marciano was a freaking FRAUD!
@@censorship2236 now your really intelligent
That was Suzy Q!
I'm a lad from England, and there is something absolutely astonishing about the Boston accent pure beautiful raw realness that accent!
My dad was Irish and from Carleton Place, Ontario, and he had a similar accent.
The Rock was class all the way. Thank you for the great fights and the memories Mr. Marciano! Keep resting in peace champ.
He was a Fuking DUCK!
My opinion he was the greatest of them all. My idol.
@@cosmopetrone8514 And that simply makes you a nitwit. Because he never fought any Greats that weren't already well past their prime...
So how the hell can he be the Greatest & he never beat the Greatest boxers of his era. He DUCKED the prime heavyweights!
@@censorship2236 dear sir . Why do people have too be nasty calling someone a nitwit. Just my opinion. God bless have a nice life.
@@cosmopetrone8514 Lol... Why do people have to be sooooo damned sensitive. If calling you a "nitwit" hurt your feelings that bad, lock yourself in your room!
Because such an opinion is pretty stupid. Because Marciano's body of work was easily the weakest among all top Great Heavyweights!
Rocky was such an articulate respectful intelligent man out of the ring. I always enjoy listening to his interviews as he can really hold your attention when speaking. In the ring he was a relentless wrecking machine of incredible stamina and a chin of iron. He knew the game inside and out and knew his opponents weak spots and vulnerabilities long before he got in the ring with them. A true legend.
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done. Barbara tended to obesity, had a serious drinking problem and smoked heavily-she would die of lung cancer in 1974-whereas her husband's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them."
@1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had •••ies, night and day.... A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils."
@1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
"That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal.
@1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
Hey, I really admire "Rocky" Marciano. Truly a "Class-Act" and a half. A genuine, compassionate, sincere gentleman. Very humble human being as well. He was a good true friend to Joe Louis, all the way til' the very end.When Joe Louis was on his "death bed," "Rocky" was there by his 🛌 bedside, which everyone else deserted the destitute Joe Louis. People should know this about "Rocky" Marciano. Marciano and Jake La Motta are my "Personal Favorites".......
@@richardpeetrinpeetrin9817
NOT 🚫true , you MUST have mistaken Max Schmeling for Rocky M. sorry to Correct U but Marciano died tragically in a plane crash in the late 60s & Joe Louis died in the earliest 80s...& so Joe's German rival , Max,was a lifelong good friend , gave financial aid & paid for Louis's funeral expenses in the end.
@@MrMaxcat32 YOU ARE CORRECT ) it's even in the movie too.
That knockout punch is so damn hard it hurt me.
After 40 minutes ,he walks with the Mack Truck!
37 year old Joe Louis had already been fightin "17yrs" with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing little Rocky. Joe's speedy reflexes were non-existent and it looked as if he was wadding through mud. And that 8 fight winning streak Joe had before fightin Rocky was a complete set-up using carefully selected hand-picked featherfisted opponents.
38/39 year old cruiserweight Journeyman Joe lost all throughout his entire career, beginning, middle and end. He had 49 wins 20 losses according to BoxRec. Walcott had already been fightin for "22yrs" with an abysmal 44% KO's before facing little Rocky. He definitely was not prime. Walcott Lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fightin "15yrs" with 95 fights with an abysmal 43% KO's before facing little Rocky. His best boxing years were already behind him at light heavyweight, not moonlighting at cruiserweight. Charles Lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.
41 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fightin "20yrs" with 178 fights before facing little Rocky in 1955. Exactly 95% of his 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruiserweights. Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.
Meantime little cruiserweight Rocky Marciano only fought a measly "8yrs" with only 49 fights before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his debut fight he actually fought "7yrs" because there was a 15 month gap between his 1st fight and 2nd fight.
Little Rocky quitting so soon is not only shameful but not fair to other genuine Heavyweights that he's surpassed in the top 10 rankings. No way in hell this little dude should be ranked higher than Holmes Lewis Foreman Vitali Wladimir Holyfield Tyson Bowe Liston Fury Wilder.
“Show me a heavyweight who’s never lost and I’ll show you a man who fought a lot of bums.” -Lennox Lewis
Folks still livin in the past talkin bout how some little 185 lb man is the greatest Heavyweight of all time. Do you see how funny that is? Marciano wasn't a Heavyweight period, and i dont care how you try to justify that he was. Can you name any prime topnotch 200+lb Heavyweights he fought? I know none of you can since he never fought any. But somehow Marciano is the greatest Heavyweight of all time right? This is 2023 and i thought we'd be over this little-man syndrome by now. Rocco Francis Marchegiano was lucky to have fought in an era when his mafioso cousins monopolized boxing and protected him. His best opponents were middleweights and light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Marchegiano isn't even top 10 Cruiserweight let alone top 40 Heavyweight.
@@amosdraak3536 Every loser says that 🎭
Wish he lived longer woukd loved to heard his opinions on 70s and 80s boxing. Very intelligent, astute person. Kind and respectful... But an animal inside the ring..
Miller weighs - 305
Zhang - 285
Bakole - 285
Teremoana - 285
Ruiz - 275
Briggs - 265
Grant - 265
Fury - 262
Jalolov - 253
Parker - 250
Foreman - 220/250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Lennox - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Dubois - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Itauma - 240
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 223
Lyle - 220
Tyson - 218
Holmes - 218
Wilder - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
Frazier - 206
Dempsey - 187
*Moore - 175 lb Light heavyweight champion from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 lb Heavyweight champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 lb Heavyweight champion with 67" flyweight reach.*
Little Marciano's era was undoubtedly the smallest and weakest Heavyweight division in boxing history and that's not even remotely debatable!
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns!
Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
@@Robert.Levi.Millera lot of the guys you named aren’t even really C to B level more like D to E level competition Marciano is one of the biggest hype jobs ever
@@Robert.Levi.Miller that’s nice let’s see you’re credentials.
@@Sinkorswim317 Y? He's stating facts.
@@allcinionexplainsitall5869you dont know anything about boxing
Everyone tries to build up their most promising boxers records to build up their confidence
That list is incomplete
I can’t help but notice how he did not continue to pummel him when he was not completely down and the ref did not stop the fight but Rocky did. A true sportsman.
I was looking for this comment 👍🏼... I too noticed that. And appreciated this 👍🏼
It was a solid hit to the chin and the way his head snapped I'm sure Rock knew it was over he wasn't getting out from that
me too
YES unlike MIke Tyson whom had To be pulled off a downed opponent EVERYTIME = he just kept punching them like an animal...!
Mike totally emulated Rocky style except NOT Rocky's merciful triumphant class to certainly NOT attempt to kill his opponent like Mike seemed to always do in seeing they were down to not do further brain damage to them...!
Just my observation...!
@@mtman2You are trolling. There’s actually footage of Mike catching his opponent’s head to prevent it from bouncing on the canvas after a knockdown.
Rocky was a true sportsman, with respect towards his opponents. True gentleman.
Are you serious? He hit the guy after he was out cold with a cheap left, just for good measure.
@@LivinInTheSip lmaoooo
@@LivinInTheSipget a room
@@LivinInTheSip Rules were different back then, and he barely tapped him with that. This isn't the Hyde Park Ladies Tea club buddy, this is a professional fight with monsters going at each other with all they have. Maybe boxing isn't for you?
Walcott was really underappreciated. he was amazing
Grace???
@@mr.blackhawk142 sorry?
Walcott lost 20 times and was KO'd 7 times. Couldn't have been that amazing. He fought for the title 6 times and lost 5 times.
*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much!
Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.
Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!
Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
*IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:*
*TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN*
*BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.*
*OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD*
*THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET*
*OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS*
*CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM*
*BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.*
*THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY*
*ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT*
*WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED*
*HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.*
*CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT*
*CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!*
*IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
@@The_Durango_Kid so you have done so little in your life that you had to dedicate it to this, yet Rocky is famous and no one knows your name. fitting
I love how honest he was about it and doesn’t beat around the bush. I was cut and bleeding hurt
Was it legal to hammer him while he was on hes knees tho? Wouldn't that be a disqualification by todays standarts
@@boredoflife8703 It was the heat of the moment and the heat of the landing/combo. Rocky went quickly to his corner right after it, respecting the knocked down Joe.
Mob money got him the victory
@@toffeeman23 You have no evidence for such a silly claim. Laughable.
@@toffeeman23i think that punch also got him the win 😂😂
That man was ahead on points but took a hell of a beating to the 13th round. Rocky never gives up! Complete monster
You see, he received a lot of heavy punches on his head. all these contributed to his untimely death
@@chigoziepaschal2152
Rocky died in a plane crash and Jersey joe died at age of 80
About whom are you talking about??
@@chigoziepaschal2152no he died in a plane crash
One tough True boxer … A hard hitter … Outside the ring he was a good man … he was my father‘s favorite boxer … 🙏🙏🙏
A freaking FRAUD!
My Dad loved him. He's definitely my top all time favorite. Of course his time was long before mine, but I always love watching his old fights. Definitely one of the best to ever do it, and one of the nicest guys anyone could know from what is said.
@@mattjack3983 my father was lucky to go to one of his fights …
@@mattjack3983 my father was lucky to go to one of his fights …
@@censorship2236 do you need to be a d-bag on everyone’s comment that liked RM? Grow the F up a-hole.
that walkaway shows he didn't want to hurt him, much respect
Louis bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky only *7* years
Walcott bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Charles bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Moore bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
Savold bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky only *7* years
Matthews bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky only *7* years
LaStarza bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky only *7* years
Cockell bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Lowry bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
Louis fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky quit at *49*
Walcott fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Moore fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Savold fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Matthews fought *(103)* times.. .little Rocky quit at *49*
LaStarza fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Cockell fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Lowry fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times
Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times
Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times
Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times
Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times
Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times
LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times
*Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats bcz they're always suppressed. Today's Genuine Super Heavyweights Zhang Bakole Joshua Fury Ruiz Parker Kabayel Itauma Jalolov Anderson Dubois only have a combined (15) losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus for eternity but it's perfectly fine for little Rocky's little light heavy opposition masquerading as little cruisers to have a combined ((684)) losses!!!*
*HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:*
Lewis --------- *2*
Holmes ------ *6*
Ali -------------- *5*
Vitali ----------- *2*
Foreman ---- *5*
Tyson -------- *6*
Wladimir ---- *5*
Bowe --------- *1*
Liston -------- *4*
Louis --------- *3*
Holyfield -- *10*
Frazier ------- *4*
Norton ------- *7*
Tunney ------ *1*
Dempsey --- *6*
Johnson --- *11*
*"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- Lennox Lewis
Rocky Marciano, what a powerhouse of a man with a very tough body and an even tougher mind. Truly a great fighter and a great man.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
As a cruiserweights worth little 5' 9" 185lb Marciano receives 7 out of 10 score. But as a Heavyweights worth he only receives a 2 out of 10 score when compared to topnotch Super Heavyweights Fury Ibeabuchi Lewis Vitali Foreman Bruno Ruddock Witherspoon Joyce Parker Wladimir just to name a few.
@@Bobby.D.1776 👉People should only be compared to others during their time. They lived in. 👉He’s a 10 out of a 10 in all categories during his lifetime.
Everything evolves u can’t compare people from the past with more recent types it’s not a fair comparison.
They were what they were during that time. He was a 10 out of 10 he was the mike Tyson of his time.
@@johnnyt.sollitto512 37 year old Joe Louis had already been fightin "17yrs" with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing little Rocky. Joe's speedy reflexes were non-existent and it looked as if he was wadding through mud. And that 8 fight winning streak Joe had before fightin Rocky was a complete set-up using carefully selected hand-picked featherfisted opponents.
38/39 year old cruiserweight Journeyman Joe lost all throughout his entire career, beginning, middle and end. He had 49 wins 20 losses according to BoxRec. Walcott had already been fightin for "22yrs" with an abysmal 44% KO's before facing little Rocky. He definitely was not prime. Walcott Lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fightin "15yrs" with 95 fights before facing little Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were already behind him at light heavyweight, not moonlighting at cruiserweight. Charles Lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.
42 year old grandfather light heavyweight Moore had already been fightin "20yrs" with 178 fights before facing little Rocky. Exactly 95% of his 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruiserweights. Moore was fighting professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.
Meantime little cruiserweight Marciano only fought a measly "7yrs" before he abruptly "Quit" during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his secretive amateur/professional debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" because there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights.
Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Holyoke was in a circuit of gritty New England cities where ethnic rivalries played out in the boxing rings. Holyoke shoulda been named Bumville. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.
Little Rocky "Quitting" so soon is not only shameful but not fair to other genuine Heavyweights that had 15 to 20 year careers. Dozens of real-Heavyweights could have also retired undefeated if they had "Quit" after only "7yrs". Marciano was a "Quitter"!!!
@@johnnyt.sollitto512JOURNEYMAN JERSEY JOE WALCOTT EXPOSED
There are few heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are better known for their losses than their wins. Jersey Joe Walcott's high profile losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins.
During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them.
In his overall career, Walcott had a 49-20-1 record and was KO'd 6 times (BoxRec). Based on these less than impressive stats it is difficult to consider him anymore than a good Journeyman.
Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. 8 of them came against fighters who were winless. The only two ranked fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the lightning in the bottle KO of Ezzard Charles.
Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter higher than he deserves based on impressive losses. Walcott was winless in all 4 of his fights vs Louis/Marciano and was KO'd 3 times.
The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the heavyweight division must have been at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss.
Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is no way he would have been granted this many opportunities after losing so many title attempts.
Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great heavyweight champion, but a good B+level Journeyman.
[[[ If a fighter today had (20) losses and was KO'd (6) times he'd be considered an undercard B or C-level Journeyman, correct? Why is this ok for old-school fighters but not modern fighters? Wilder and Joshua only have (5) losses between them yet they are already considered nobodies. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have (68) losses! Lennox Lewis was KOd (2) times and his top-10 ranking has suffered ever since. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have been KOd (20) times! ]]]
[[[ And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Lee Savold Lost (45) times and Ted Lowry Lost (68) times yet this is perfectly fine in the mindset of Marciano fans. Dare go to a Savold vs. Marciano vid and say one wrong thing about Savold and you'll immediately have fifteen Marciano fans attacking. Little Marciano is all exaggerated hype, nothing more nothing less. ]]]
Marciano had immense strength, determination and will.
So did All the other hundreds & hundreds of champions in all the divisions. Manny Pacquiao, Sugar Ray Robinson, Marvin Hagler, Vitali, Usyk, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, on and on and on.
Zhang weighs - 285
Bakole - 285
Joyce - 280
Briggs - 265
Ruiz - 265
Grant - 265
Fury - 262
Parker - 250
Foreman - 250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Lennox - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Dubois - 245
Anderson - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Wilder - 225
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 223
Lyle - 220
Tyson - 218
Holmes - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
*Moore - 175 lb LH champion from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 lb HW champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 lb HW champion with 67" flyweight reach.*
Heavyweight was only 175 lbs back then. Moore & Charles best years were at MW (147 to 160) and LH (160 to 175). Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. He never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at MW. Marciano fought between 178 and 188 over 40 times and was 'Never' weight drained!!
*If size don't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since little Rocky's little era 4 generations ago?*
*"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES."* - Lennox Lewis
*"NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT A PRIME TOP-NOTCH SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION."* - Ring Magazine
*Marciano's era was not stacked with talent. If it were, the foundation of his record wouldn't be based on beating over the hill fighters. They were all past their best be honest, still good boxers but all past their best, you can only beat who's in front of you and he did.*
*Marciano Ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard. He knew he'd eventually have to confront Cleveland Williams, Johansson, Patterson, Liston, Machen, Folley, Valdez, Cooper, Miteff, London, Mildenberger, Jones, Terrell, Chuvalo, Clay, Bonavena, Quarry, Martin and Ellis. We coulda found out how Rocky would have done against all these guys had he not "UP-N-QUIT" during his Prime after a measley (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years!!!*
*For Pete's sake he was only 31 his last fight.*
*And to make matters even worse than quitting at only 31 years of age,, his last fight had to be against a 42 year old,, Archie Moore born '1913' wikipedia!!!*
One of the toughest men to ever live.
Most people openly admit that the versions of Charles and Walcott that he fought were far from prime (The Joe Louis fight really doesn't even deserve to be brought up). So it isn't the quality of Rocky's competition that his reputation is based on among the greats, it is that famous record 49-0. If Rocky's 49-0 record is the basis of his greatness then the fighters on that record should be the very best that were available. But by my reckoning that is the furthest thing from the truth. Infact when you look at the highest ranked fighters of the era, and then you look at his record, it's scandalous how many he didn't fight. Many of the ones he DID choose to fight are just as scandalous.
Top fighters Marciano definitely should have fought that he didn't.
*1)* Harold Johnson
*2)* Oakland Billy Smith
*3)* Yolande Pompey
*4)* Curtis Hatchetman Sheppherd
*5)* Clarence Henry
*6)* Joey Maxim
*7)* Marty Marshall
*8)* Bob Satterfield
*9)* Jimmy Bivins
*10)* Lloyd Marshall
*11)* Nino Valdes
Those are just the definites, we could add many other names (like Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni or even Bob Baker) that while not as good, are definitely better than some of the guys he DID fight that make up that "legendary" record. Guys like these;
Lee Epperson (Career Record 0-1)
Jimmy Weeks (Career Record 0-1)
Gilbert Cardone (Career Record 0-3)
John Edwards (Career Record 1-2)
Bill Hardeman (Career Record 1-7)
Humphrey Jackson (Career Record 4-3)
Johnnie Pretzie (Career Record 10-14)
Bob Jefferson (Career Record 3-10)
Gilley Ferron (Career Record 4-13)
Tommy DiGiorgio (Career Record 9-15)
Artie Donato (Career Record 7-13)
Harry Haft (Career Record 12-7)
James Connoly (Career Record 12-9)
Harry Bilazarian (Career Record 15-12)
Joe Dominic (Career Record 18-12)
Don Mogard (Career Record 20-16)
Jimmy Walls (Career Record 21-41)
Eldridge Eatman (Career Record 22-21) according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, *"'Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT.'"*
Marciano's 32nd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Keene Simmons who had a career 9 wins 22 losses.
Marciano's 33rd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell who had a career 7 wins 16 losses. *(Harold had just lost 10 fights in a row before diving against Rocky)*
Marciano's 34th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Art Henri who had a career 18 wins 29 losses.
Marciano's 35th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate who had a career 12 wins 16 losses.
None of these guys beat anyone of note! Many of these guys he even fought pretty far into his career when there were obviously alternatives. To top if off, he didn't even stay around for Sonny Liston. In light of this should this 49-0 record be as revered as it is to some?
*25-0 Rocky fought F-LEVEL nobodies until he met 37-0 LaStarza who also fought F-LEVEL nobodies. After that fight Rocky's next opponent was F-LEVEL diver Eldridge Eatman who had just lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Why would a 26-0 boxer fight an F-LEVEL diver who had just lost 8 fights? Bcz Rocky barely won a very controversial split decision against C-LEVEL LaStarza so his handlers were AFRAID to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat. Everybody knew Eldridge was a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter but what could you do or say against the Sicilian Mafia? It's clear as day Mafia Boss Carbo and underboss Al Weill cherry picked and padded Rocky's resume his entire career which only lasted a mere 7 years. 99 out of 100 Rocky fans don't have a clue about Rocky's resume and who he actually fought. All's they see is 49-0 and automatically assume he was the Greatest Heavyweight that ever lived.*
Immediately *((same day))* after 170-lb diver Eddie Ross was supposedly KO'd by Marciano he drove from Rhode Island Providence to Quebec City Quebec -- 8 hr 15 min 465.9 mi via I-93 N inorder to fight 160-lb Billy Sparks.. *(( "Amazing recovery by Eddie Ross after being KO'd by Rocky Marciano the previous day."--@ BoxRec and Providence Journal ))* Inspect Eddie's resume @ BoxRec, it's hilarious! *THE PROOF IS CLEAR AS DAY...ROCKY'S RECORD WAS PADDED!!!*
This is actually the first time I've heard Marciano talk, very eloquent descriptive speaker.
Joe Louis is fabulous to listen too as well. He sounds like he could be Morgan Freeman's brother or something.
When boxing was a gentleman's sport. Tough, respectful.
Before they started "keepinit reeel"
@fredtaylor9792 Racism is tired let it rest already....smfh
Back when the Italian Mafia ran Boxing it was as Crooked it's ever been Boxers didn't get paid shit,,but it was "Tough and Respectul" 😆 🤣 😂
@@StevenHunterPangians1 boohoo cry about it..... it was still entertaining fisticuffs to watch.... Idgaf mafia or whatever, the fights were good and that's wht counts
Literally punches Walcott when he's on his knees 😂
If rocky Marciano was still alive he’d be 100 💯 years old this year and I watched this fight and it was awesome 😎
*LaStarza vs. Layne!!! Watch their fight!!! It's there!!! Don't just automatically assume they must have been good, analyse the fight yourself!!! It's easy to find, simply type LaStarza vs. Layne!!!* What's everyone waiting for?? I know everyone's seen bits of LaStarza vs. Rocky and bits of Layne vs. Rocky, why not really see LaStarza/Layne in action?? Witness LaStarza/Layne yourself inorder to understand how *"DREADFUL"* that division actually was. These guys are not topnotch professionals, more like good horseshirt Golden Glove boxers. *LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.*
*Let's put Layne and LaStarza under the MICROSCOPE, shall we?*
In 1952, Rex Layne LOST to no-name Willie James. Then Layne fought a 500 journeyman Bill Peterson TWO TIMES and won both. Then Layne LOST AGAIN to Harry Matthews, a light heavyweight contender.
Name ANY TOP 10 RING HEAVYWEIGHT CONTENDER today who would still be rated in the top 10 if he lost to an unrated 12-2 opponent (James) and a light heavyweight contender?
Layne would've been gone from the top 10. LONG GONE.
Meanwhile, also in 1952, Roland LaStarza wins a decision over Dan Bucceroni (after LOSING to him FIVE months earlier) and Roland follows that up with a LOSS to the 14-9-2 Rocky Jones.
Then Roland wins a decision over Rocky Jones.
Neither of these guys, Rex and Roland, at this point, should've been rated in the top 10 AT ALL. They wouldn't be today, that's for damn sure.
Both Layne and Roland ... LONG GONE.
Then out of nowhere Rex Layne wins a 10 round decision in Utah against Ezzard Charles, in Ezzard's first fight after losing his fourth fight with Walcott. Ezzard stopped Layne in their previous fight. In their third encounter a couple months later, Ezzard would drop him three or four times and beat Layne again.
BUT, on this night, the fight goes the distance. And the LONE official and "celebrity referee" Jack Dempsey scored it two rounds Rex, one Round Ezzard ... SEVEN ROUNDS EVEN for the local boy Rex. And the fans cheered. And the two Utah papers had Charles winning, by the way.
Today, that would be SCANDALOUS. Layne clearly wasn't better than Ezzard.
But based on that (2 rounds to 1, with seven even) scorecard ... REX LAYNE - who today wouldn't be rated going into that fight at all - gets rated #1 by Ring.
And, in his next fight, before getting dropped and battered all over the ring by an angry Ezzard Charles, Rex takes on ROLAND ... coming off his rematch with the no-name Rocky Jones ... and Rex LOSES to Roland ... on what was considered a controversial decision, too.
And Roland gets ranked #1. (Rating Rex #1 was bad enough. Passing the #1 rating along to Roland is probably worse.)
Then Marciano signs to fight Roland ... because ROLAND IS THE #1 CONTENDER.
And everyone goes "Well, Roland must've deserved it. He beat the #1 contender!"
It's laughable.
You want to talk about a dreadful series of ratings and situations culminating in Roland getting rated #1.
That is brutal.
Today, Marciano, Roland, Layne, celebrity referee Dempsey, and the entire Ring Ratings board, the National Boxing Assocation ... would be thrown under the bus.
Back then, people were like, "Okay"
Scandalous scoring. Ineptitude by the ratings body. Take your pick.
Roland LaStarza's interview about his two fights with Marciano: *"I'm sure as income taxes that I was the winner. Every reporter there said I was robbed. Before the first fight Al Weill promised us a return immediately if the fight was close. The next day he said, 'We don't want to go back'. After that he avoided us for 3 ½ years."*
LaStarza discounted the stories about the damage Marciano inflicted on his arms in their second fight. *"There was a rumor after the fight that he hurt my shoulders and arms a lot, but the truth was that I had weak elbows from the fight before, and they were giving me trouble. With the state of my elbows I really could not give a good account of myself. During the fight I was under the influence of pain killers and I really needed them. Marciano couldn't hit me on the behind for the first five rounds.Then in the sixth I got hit on my bad elbow, the strength went out of me, and I just stood there from then on. He tried his damnedest to KO me but I was still standing in the end.* 'A RIVALRY FOR THE AGES: ROLAND LaSTARZA REMEMBERS THE MARCIANO WARS' by James Dusgate November 1990 Ring magazine page 46.
Toughest fighter to ever step in the ring! 15 rounds when fighters were a different breed.
15 rounds when we made boxers suffer longer lasting effects of 3 extra rounds of brain injury
@@philwill0123, how can you be so sure it was 3 extra rounds?
They had 15 rounds up until 1982.
@@philwill0123free country no one put a gun to there head and said fight or die
Marciano sure was getting clobbered in that fight.
A man’s man. They don’t make ‘em like this anymore.
You have to read about islam go and listen to ahmed deedat and zakir naik
As much as I admire the religion, this is not the time, nor the place, to push religion on people
@@kiinbcde Muhammmad used to walk around the house covered in his own semen and make her child bride Aisha scrape the dried up semen off his clothes wearing what he would go to Salat -
*Sahih Al Bukhari*
230 -
_Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar_ :
*I asked `Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ🐷) and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible"*
232 -
_Narrated `Aishah_ :
*_I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet (ﷺ🐷) and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them_*
*Sunan An Nasa'i* -
*Chapter* : *Rubbing Semen From A Garment(188)*
*299* -
_It was narrated that 'Aishah said_ :
*_"I used to see it on the garment of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ🐷) and scratch it off"_*
296 -
_It was narrated that 'Aishah said_ :
*"I used to scrape the Janabah." On another occasion she said: "The semen from the garment of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ🐷)"*
*Sunan Ibn Majah*
537 -
_It was narrated that 'Aishah said_ :
*_"I often scraped it (semen) from the garment of the Messenger of Allah with my hand"_*
@@adrianbelko7683 @Adrian
The son of adultery, your history is full of blood, wars, and molestation of children in churches. Secondly, your flimsy suspicions have been answered thousands of times, but you are not seeking the truth.
@@fletchkeilman2205Admiring a pedophile's death cult says a lot about you.
Rocky Marciano was a good man and he will always be the champion!
Greatest boxer ever.
Muhammad Ali was the best though Rocky was second best 😎
@adcoxrobert3786No, sugar ray Robinson is the best. No disrespect to those two champs tho. Sugar Ray was just insane.
RIP LEGEND .A TRUE CLASS ACT.They don't make them like this anymore.
thats respect,only real champion talk like that
He was so humble he gave his opponent much credit and for himself he just said he thought he hurt him and that he was able to knock him out on the 14th... A true gentleman and a legend of a boxer 👏👏👏
37yr old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb light heavyweight. *Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights.* Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime.
40yr old cruiser Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with 68 fights before facing the light heavyweight. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. *This is important. Walcott lost more than 4 years when he was KO'd by a tremendous right cross smash from the 6' 4" 256 lb giant Abe Simon in 1940-02-12. Walcott did not return till 1944-06-07, 4 years 4 months.* Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end.
*Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.*
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing the light heavyweight. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. *Charles was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease against Walcott in 1951.* It's in Ezzard's biography 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life' by William Dettloff.
*Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
42yr old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing the light heavyweight. Archie said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was."* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears
Wouldn't that put grandfather Archie in his mid 40's?
*Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
179 lb light heavyweight Rocky Marciano only fought *"8yrs"* before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his secretive debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought *"7yrs"* bcz there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.
*You have to respect every competitor for stepped into the ring but after studying all of his opponents my gut instinct also says Rocky is one of the biggest frauds in boxing history. One way or another. 49 wins 20 losses Journeyman Joe getting 6 attempts at the title in 6 years proves how weak and fraudulent the division actually was.*
Joe Louis' 8 fight winning streak which helped him become the #1 ranked contender before he faced the 184 lb light heavyweight. Below is the *"SIX" (6)* boxers Louis beat:
#1) 196 lb Cesar Brian (Decision) Brian had an abysmal 36% KO's. Brian's career record of 49 wins 11 losses looks okay until ya see (25) of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians.
#2) 191 lb Freddie Beshore (KO) Beshore had an abysmal 24% KO's. His career record was 28 wins 10 losses. 5' 9" Beshore was on a 4-fight losing streak before he faced Joe. Why would Joe even consider fighting someone who had just lost 4 fights? *We all know why!!!*
#3) 187 lb Omelio Agramonte (Decision) *Oh wow, oh my, Joe looked terrible, absolutely terrible. What was Joe thinking, he should have stayed retired. I watched their entire fight and Joe's combinations were completely gone. Agramonte looked as if he only weighed 160 lbs. What a shame.*
#4) 194 lb Andy Walker (TKO) 17-8-7 Andy had an abysmal 17% KO's. His career record was 18 wins 20 losses. *It's clear as day what's going on here. Smh.*
#5) 188 lb Omelio Agramonte -- (Decision AGAIN) -- Why Twice? *We all know why!!!*
#6) 190 lb Lee Savold (KO) Even the announcer said, *"Joe Louis reflexes are but a memory."* These two should have been retired. *They just pushed Louis through towards Marciano so everyone could fill their pockets with $$$.* Savold had a career 45 losses and was KO'd 12 times.
#7) 197 lb Cesar Brian -- (Decision AGAIN) -- Why Twice? *We all know why!!!*
#8) 180 lb Jimmy Bivins (Decision) 5 feet 8.8 inches (1.75 m) light heavyweight Bivins had an abysmal 27% KO's. Yes little Jimmy was a Hall of Famer. But he was a Hall of Famer @ Light heavyweight, not Heavyweight. This is the *'"Heavyweight"'* division we're taking about right?
*Talk about bum-of-the-month-club, WOW. A prime Joe would have easily accumulated 8 knockouts against those powder-puffers. It was obviously a predetermined carefully hand-picked set-up.*
Boxing-elites, Italian-mafioso, and the IRS really needed Joe to be ranked #1 inorder to get their Louis vs. Marciano $$-SHOW-$$. The only loyalty the Italian-mob had was to $$$. Hey, they took 50% of Marciano's earnings and all ticket sales, all in all $2 Million. $2 Million in 1955 is equivalent to $21 Million today. Carbo and Weill had complete control over Rocky and carefully selected his opponents.
*In May of 1950, the IRS finished a full audit of Louis's past returns and announced, that with interest and penalties, he owed the government more than $500,000. Louis had no choice but to return to the ring. The Louis camp negotiated a deal with the IRS under which 36yr old Louis would come out of retirement, with all his net proceeds going to the IRS. After boxing Joe ended up in the pro wrestling circuit and they still took his money. But that gig finished when Cowboy Rocky Lee lunged onto him with both feet, his boots colliding with Louis' torso. The crash cracked three of his ribs. It left him with a cardiac contusion and officially ended his stint as a wrestler. Children used to send him one dollar in the mail. In his biography he said a child walked up and handed him a dime. When Joe was broken physically and mentally the IRS finally stopped collecting. He lived with friends until he died.*
@@Robert.Levi.Miller who did he avoid? If he fought all the top contenders when he was active then quit at the top then I can't see what criticism there can be of him.
Walcott being granted *(6)* title attempts in a *(5½)* year span (1947 12-05 to 1953 05-15) proves how shallow and weak the so-called 'Heavyweight' division was at that time. *And (5) of his title opportunities came immediately after a loss!!!* This is important. *Giant Abe Simon put Walcott into retirement for 4 years 4 months, from 1940 02-12 to 1944 06-07. It's virtually impossible that Walcott was even remotely prime when he fought the little 184 lb light heavyweight Marciano. Rocky himself said Walcott was only 90% of himself @ 'The Marciano Tapes' #3.*
Walcott's most notable victories include wins over light heavyweight Charles, light heavyweight Maxim and light heavyweight Johnson. Light heavyweight Charles lost *(25)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times. Light heavyweight Maxim lost *(29)* times. Light heavyweight Johnson lost *(11)* times and was KO'd *(5)* times. Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott lost *(20)* times and was KO'd *(6)* times, he was C-LEVEL at best.
By way of comparison undisputed undefeated no°1 p4p bantamweight Naoya Inoue has 67½″ reach, longer than light heavyweight Rocky's 67" reach. Inoue is 5' 5", Rocky 5' 9". Rocky fans continuously try to debate me. What's there to debate? How to magically make Rocky bigger? Throughout his career he only weighed 178 to 186. History cannot be changed. Charles Moore Marciano etcetera were light heavyweights period. As a matter of fact the overwhelming majority of that division was filled with middleweights and/or light heavyweights masquerading as Heavyweights. Perfect example being Harry 'Kid' Matthews who was for the most part a career middleweight. Matthews weighed a mere 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130, and you call that *"Heavyweight"* division? Shouldn't one have to fight topnotch genuine Heavyweights inorder to be respected as an authentic *"Heavyweight"* champion?
What a champ one of the best of all time
So humble
Not like the big mouths / show offs of today
Easy to be humble when you know the mob is helping you win
WE STILL KNOW, WE STILL KNOW. YOU AIN'T SLICK, WE KNOW.
My Grandfather was a professional boxer and he was good friends with Joe, unbelievable how powerful he was
It’s rare to say good man and athlete now days but he was definitely both. Respect and greatness, a long lost gift.
They fought for sport back in those days. And they wanted to put on a hell of a fight for the fans. It was just a better sport back in those days.
It was run by the Mafia, corrupt back then and corrupt today! They just hide behind bad judging today.
I remember before the main event champs like Sugar Ray & Rocky used to shake both competitors hand & take a bow. Just classy.
@@richardmorris7063 absolutely, now most fighters are punks and it kinda ruins it for me. But that's the fight game these days.
Add football, basketball, baseball. Old enough to remember.
@@dadwhitsett hell,life in general. Nothing is what it was.
The fact that this mans speech and cognitive function wasn't affected boxing in those days, 15 rounders as well and his come forward toe to toe brawling, is a true testament to his name
They also didn't punch as hard back then so you need to take that into account. Foreman and Shavers destroyed more sentences than a modern day High School graduate and that's saying something. Cheers and Merry Christmas.
@@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube human biology has been the same back then and in modern times so I think your comment about them not hitting harder back then is unfounded, also the gloves had a lot less padding back then and the referees would allow fighters to take a lot more punishment than today's standards before they would stop a fight, also merry Christmas to you I hope you have a good one 👍
@@naeemahmed2748 How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis
Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter.
Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula.
Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges.
Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!!
Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
@@naeemahmed2748 "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis
@@naeemahmed2748 Two Hall of Fame light heavyweights Charles & Moore simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any authentic 200+ lb Heavyweights. Name ONE top-notch prime 'Heavyweight' Marciano fought?
That’s one of the most explosive KO punches caught on film. Lights out and good night.
Rocky was all class
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done. Barbara tended to obesity, had a serious drinking problem and smoked heavily-she would die of lung cancer in 1974-whereas her husband's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them."
@1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had •••ies, night and day.... A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils."
@1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
"That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal.
@1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
Very soft spoken guy.
How elegant they were sportsmen at that time ...that's before the trash talk began ...
And the big money came in after....the trash talking began.
The trash talk began with Muhammad Ali
Bro annihilated Joe Louis with 30lbs deficit. The greatest boxer to ever lived.
A humble guy for real,miss these type of ppl
Wow 13 rounds and more theses men are few far between. Rip rocky u are a legend.
All fights were 15 rounds until around 1980
Men back then had much higher natural testosterone
As early as 1400BC, the Susruta of India advocated the ingestion of testes. Likewise, the ancient Egyptians accorded medicinal powers to the testes --by Charles E. Yesalis Pennsylvania University & Michael S. Bahrke, Human Kinetics - History of Doping in Sport
1935 scientists, led by chemist Adolf Butenandt, develop anabolics as a way to treat testosterone deficiency. Butenandt would later win the Nobel Prize.
1940-45 Anabolics is used by soldiers to promote aggressiveness and physical strength. Retrospectively, according to his physician, Hitler's mental state toward the end of his life exhibits characteristics that some scientists associate with heavy steroid use: mania, acute paranoid psychoses, overly aggressive and violent behavior--(symptoms Marciano suffered)--e.g. @ "1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI"
1945-47 Anabolic steroids are used to help reverse the wasting effects of war and concentration-camp imprisonment.
The use of drugs to enhance physical performance has been a feature of human competition since the beginning of recorded history. Some time in the late 40s top professional boxers would have had access to PEDs, as athletes in the Olympics certainly did.
By the 50s it was common knowledge that PEDs gave you a physical boost and boxers across the world would have been trying to get their hands on some. Athletes started to use roids in the 1930s and by the 1950s they were prolific. To think millionaire Marciano was drug free is ludacris. During his time Rocky Marciano was the most popular professional athlete in the world and he had the best physicians helping him--💊💊💊🤢💉💉💉
Nobel Prize winners Butenandt and Hanisch created the first synthetic version of testosterone from cholesterol in August of 1935. Synthetic testosterone was made available to the medical community for experimentation and treatment.
* In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day. His uncle, Charlie Piccento, said he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one.
* Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning.
"He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one," and "EVERY morning."
[[ He was definitely using!!! ]]
Marciano wore a hair piece when he was older, which proves that he had a deceitful nature. He would also go into fits of rage in personal life during which he would attack people. He'd hold folks out high window if they would not pay up. He'd even hit payphones off the wall if he could not retrieve his dime--@1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
THE EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING
Rocco Francis Marchegiano 💊💊🤢💉💉 USED!!!
@@Bobby.D.1776 all this for no one to give AF because it's common knowledge back in the day that athletes weren't clean.
The way he stalked him before delivering that fatal blow is a beautiful thing to watch. Tyson did almost the exact same thing to Marvis Frazier
Charles Bravely fought (20) years........little Rocky only 7 years
Walcott Bravely fought (23) years........little Rocky only 7 years
Moore Bravely fought (27) years..........little Rocky only 7 years
Savold Bravely fought (19) years.........little Rocky only 7 years
Lowry Bravely fought (16) years..........little Rocky only 7 years
Charles Bravely fought (121) times.......little Rocky Quit at 49
Walcott Bravely fought (70) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49
Moore Bravely fought (220) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49
Savold Bravely fought (142) times........little Rocky Quit at 49
Lowry Bravely fought (149) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49
Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times
Walcott Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times
Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times
Savold Lost (45) times and was KOd (12) times
Lowry Lost (68) times and was KOd (3) times
Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats because they are always suppressed. Imagine if today's Heavyweights Fury and Usyk had LOSING records like that? They would be NOBODIES!!!
Little cruiserweight Marciano only fought a measly "7yrs" before he abruptly "Quit" during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his secretive amateur/professional debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" because there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights.
Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Holyoke was in a circuit of gritty New England cities where ethnic rivalries played out in the boxing rings. Holyoke shoulda been named Bumville. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.
Little Rocky "Quitting" so soon is not only shameful but not fair to other genuine Heavyweights that had 15 to 20 year careers. Dozens of real-Heavyweights could have also retired undefeated if they had "Quit" after only "7yrs". Marciano was a "Quitter"!!!
Consider that in the December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Rocky Marciano finishing a distant 9th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 9th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’ 5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Rocky? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 9, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 9 all time heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired.
WTF? HOW DOES tiny DWARFISM-ARMS GO FROM 9TH PLACE DURING THE EARLY 1960s TO TOP 4 GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2023?
Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why tiny-165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165lbs (Fitzsimmons) to 328lbs (Valuev), ranking bodies still exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, even though they ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES!!!
"AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Charles and Moore were "light" heavyweights moonlighting at Heavyweights. Algorithms can't see Joe Louis's reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches.
The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano went 49-0 and beat 4 Hall of Famers. That's why all polls and rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt.
@@Robert.Levi.Miller dude was a heavy ass hitter and you haven't even been in a pro setting so you can't even be considered a quitter shut the hell up
@@Robert.Levi.Miller so, you are the judge to determine how a boxer career should last, right? 🤦
Marciano never said anything about his record or why he retired so early, you are making assumptions based on your freaking stupid preferences and just embarrassing yourself... you came to insult a guy, dead for many years now, complimenting one of his rivals in this video, because he was a gentleman and you aren't, and he's one of the best ever, like it or not... deal with it
Marciano fanboys describe him as being so fierce that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have all these Rocky vids saturated with so much exaggerated hyperbolic nonsense that it's laughable.
Who's ribs, jaws, noses, eye-sockets, collar-bones, did little Rocky break?
WAITING---TIC--TOC--TIC--TOC ..... ""NOBODY""!!!! ""ZERO""!!!!
Roland LaStarza with all his supposed 'Broken Bones' and 'Ruptured Blood Vessels' only had minor surgery, what's the big deal? Y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated. When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative TV acting career.
Roland simply had tiny miniscule bone-chips removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. It's a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms & elbows. Besides LaStarza said, "I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano." I have the article.
Here's a newspaper article about Layne's tooth: "Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."
So Layne only sustained ONE (1) broken tooth! Then he fought Charles exactly 3 months later. What's the big deal? Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice etcetera.
"He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference." -- written by a Rocky fanboy 12yrs ago (misinformation at it's finest).
Don't be so gullible, Marciano only fed on former middleweights and light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. He was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. Marciano broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little rocco is god , because when he walked the earth shook.
That cheeky little second punch across the temple though 🤌🤣 to make sure he stayed down
Truly the greatest Rocky Marciano
😆
He was good. But Iron Mike Tyson was better.
@@keemoify
One was iron, the other was steel.
They were the best!
@@keemoifyyou don't seem to understand. Tyson wasn't undefeated and he also didn't have as many flights. That's cute that you have a little crush on Tyson, but he wasn't nearly the fighter that Rocky was.
I reckon Tyson is Amazing and powerful, intimidating and all that, but Rocky was as tough as all fuck with a a massive, and a granite chin. Plus he was underfeated, and fought warriors
Humble, kind, loyal, and the hardest right hand in the history of fighting. Rocky is my favorite fighter ever no question
@Alexmurphy5289 😂😂 really, the hardest right hand in the history of heavyweight? Come on ,dude barely weighted 185, in today time he would be a light heavyweight, enough said...
@@ShakaZulu-wb8cwBruce Lee one inch punch it depends on how you throw a punch
Champion Boxing right now consists of 12, 3 minute rounds. 36 minutes of fighting total.
Rocky fought in the 15 round days (45 minute bout). In the 13th round they had both already fought for over 36 minutes. And rock still got a clean walk off KO.
That's fucking insane.
That is by far The hardest straight right hand I have ever seen land in a fight
All hail the greatest heavyweight champion of all time! The one and ONLY UNDEFEATED heavyweight champion of the world! ROCKY and this ain't no movie!
Respect from East Los Angeles 🐾🐾👣
Far from the greatest! He boxed a lot of trash fighters so stop duck sucking!
I get it you like him but ali would kill him.
@@justinjohnson8551 Cassius Clay would put up a good fight! 🥊
How Rocky runs to the adjacent corner shows the respect
After punching a guy in the head who is on his knees.
Notice how respectful Rocky was about his opponents - the tougher they were, the more he respected them.
And no trash talk nonsense, unlike today's fighters.
Back when men were really men....
What a Gentleman all praise and kind words
I like Rocky. More should have been made of this guy. Unbeaten great personality and not even massive , big , tall etc
Gary Hillman He got all his flowers when he was alive.
I'm 77 years old and watched all the fights up until today, Rocky Marciano
Did you ever watch Rocky live...You were probably not born yet
No disrespect but Marciano was known for taking fights with older and retired boxers
One case in point is Archie Moor. With the UFC it would be considered fair and helpful to older retired UFC fighters due to the poor pay standars of Dana White so that retired fighters don't starve and wind up homeless
That was a beautiful left hook he stepped right into it
Jersey Joe’s vaunted “sucker punch”
He used the same punch to KO Ezzard Charles for the title.
What a champion. The Rock was a phenomenon.
Marciano was continuously the hardest training boxer the sport's ever seen. A phenomenal work ethic, no matter who he fought.
A Real Humble and Great Warrior.
It's a shame contemporary boxers don't behave with the same respect and honour as Marciano.
One word,LEGEND?,proper Man,undefeated….
Legend to you,, NOT TO ME
He abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless.
He liked men also
You sound a bit jealous and bitter my friend…
@@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez really?,you just jealous…
the dudes out cold and the ref giving him the count 😂
Rocky was one of the classiest men to ever step into a ring. A TRUE CHAMPION!!.
a true hard man and a true gentleman one man that just wouldn't surrender a heart off 2 lion's
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done. Barbara tended to obesity, had a serious drinking problem and smoked heavily-she would die of lung cancer in 1974-whereas her husband's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them."
@1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had •••ies, night and day.... A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils."
@1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
"That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal.
@1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
You know you have tremendous strength when the opponent falls like that.
Yes, and when this happens in the 13th round!
The way he came at him at the end, it was obvious that he was looking for a knock down/out ❤
Rocky Marciano is my favorite of all boxers. Thats a Top G right 👉 here.
How can any man go 49 unbeaten? 🥴😯 Beggars belief 🤔🥴
What a champ 🏆💫✨
Live forever Rocky 💫🏆
Ask Larry Holmes. 😏👌🏾
It’s rare but other fighter have done it. Look up sugar ray Robinson. His unbeaten record might not ever get surpassed
Not just 49 wins, it was 49 victories when boxing was brutal, a true man's sport! I remember as a kid, they'd go 20 rounds at the least! The more modernized boxing became,the shorter the fights! Nowadays, lucky to find a 12 rounder! He was a machine, a true beast in the ring, but, a class act out on the Town. Floyd Mayweather Jr. Would not be able to accomplish his undefeated streak back then, his defensive style would not even be accepted by the refs and judges, I believe, back then, you couldn't or better said, wouldn't be allowed to dance around the entire time, as Floyd's style entails.
He's dead
@@dekejustice plus fmjr dodged fighters... MP for one. I think fmjr was smart but not that good...there have been many other that were much better
One of the best records in boxing and just a pure savage in the ring.
Rocky was the real Terminator!
Sir and Gentleman, Rocky Marciano. R.i.P. 😢
Susie Q at the buzzer. Fucking legend.
Fuking FRAUD!
Huh??
@@scottdavidson526 Susie Q was the name of the punch he knocked out Walcott with. A short, highly loaded right hand.
@@scottdavidson526 Marciano’s right hand was nicknamed Susie Q
R.I.P. Rocky!
This is a real video of Rocky and Apollo💯
There's a great point
Rocky 1 inspired by Wepner vs Ali
Rocky 2 inspired by Marciano vs Jersey Joe
One tough man right there rest in peace Mr marciano
Rocky honors Jersey Joe.👍🏼
How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis
Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter.
Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula.
Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges.
Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!!
Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
@@Jabbing_Jack OK then Bobby D
@@Adam-kf6lr He copied my comments. More the merrier i guess. Merry Christmas ⛄🎄
@@Jabbing_Jack Classic! Merry Christmas🤙
Maybe because he was smart enough to realize bashing and criticizing his toughest opponent would make him look bad. Some boxers end up with their foot in their mouth because they talk so much trash about an opponent who may end up giving them a hard time or whooping their ass
The real greatest fighter of all time.
Nah. Not skilled enough to be the greatest
His opposition was spotty, beat a few great fighters but they were all between 38-40 or suffering from early symptoms of ALS (Ezzard Charles).
@@herohunter5961 and an old joe louis
Hi is unbelievable
@@spenser6353 At 5'10", 185 pounds, that's cruiserweight in a later era. Can't see him competing against modern, swift footed boxers.
Tof, humble, smart and elegant
One of the true greats... Legend! RIP
😔R.I.P. Mr. MARCIANO. Thanks for the memories...
What a knockout punch. I mean, I felt that one.
Charles Bravely fought (20) years........little Rocky only 7 years
Walcott Bravely fought (23) years........little Rocky only 7 years
Moore Bravely fought (27) years..........little Rocky only 7 years
Savold Bravely fought (19) years.........little Rocky only 7 years
Lowry Bravely fought (16) years..........little Rocky only 7 years
Charles Bravely fought (121) times.......little Rocky Quit at 49
Walcott Bravely fought (70) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49
Moore Bravely fought (220) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49
Savold Bravely fought (142) times........little Rocky Quit at 49
Lowry Bravely fought (149) times.........little Rocky Quit at 49
Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times
Walcott Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times
Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times
Savold Lost (45) times and was KOd (12) times
Lowry Lost (68) times and was KOd (3) times
Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats because they are always suppressed. Imagine if today's Heavyweights Fury and Usyk had LOSING records like that? They would be NOBODIES!!!
Little cruiserweight Marciano only fought a measly "7yrs" before he abruptly "Quit" during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his secretive amateur/professional debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" because there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights.
Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Holyoke was in a circuit of gritty New England cities where ethnic rivalries played out in the boxing rings. Holyoke shoulda been named Bumville. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.
Little Rocky "Quitting" so soon is not only shameful but not fair to other genuine Heavyweights that had 15 to 20 year careers. Dozens of real-Heavyweights could have also retired undefeated if they had "Quit" after only "7yrs". Marciano was a "Quitter"!!!
Consider that in the December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Rocky Marciano finishing a distant 9th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 9th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’ 5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Rocky? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 9, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 9 all time heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired.
WTF? HOW DOES tiny DWARFISM-ARMS GO FROM 9TH PLACE DURING THE EARLY 1960s TO TOP 4 GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2023?
Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why tiny-165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165lbs (Fitzsimmons) to 328lbs (Valuev), ranking bodies still exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, even though they ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES!!!
"AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Charles and Moore were "light" heavyweights moonlighting at Heavyweights. Algorithms can't see Joe Louis's reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches.
The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano went 49-0 and beat 4 Hall of Famers. That's why all polls and rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt.
This is high praise coming from Marciano.
Only the 13th? Man, what a short fight. I remember when I was a kid, if a fight lasted less than 50 rounds, we demanded our nickel back!
Lol where you born in 1910 then because no fight since around that time went for 50 rounds
Excellent
@@Mechanizer420 you don't watch the Simpsons huh?
@@johnmarcey5118 Glad someone got the reference.
The only UNDEFEATED heavyweight champion in history, truly the best
He wouldn’t stand against floyd tho
@@GodO4- 😂 good joke
@@TheDarkKnight80 boxing required less skill and more brute strength back then. Explains a lot
@@GodO4-Marciano would kill Floyd, Floyd doesn’t even have 30 knockouts in his 55 fights😂😂
@@GodO4-Floyd isn’t a heavyweight
A lot of the Italians got away from boxing but a lot of us still hit really hard. Jersey Joe reminded me a little of Tyson’s build. What an amazing era of boxing this was!
Except Malinaggi
@@goricaj1 I’m sure there are some. I don’t want to knock Malinaggi, he is still a fighter and deserves respect for stepping in the ring but there are probably much better fighters who chose something else among Italians. Slavs have some tough dudes by the way. Pretty strong people.
Cause this sport was very popular from 1900 to 1960 here in Italy
@@utenteantimoralismo8549 makes sense
@@robmangeri777 I know, but because I'm Italian, you probably are Italian american so sorry for my english
Greatest boxer ever. Don't even argue, you'd be wrong.