Rocinante Sets 'fit' in the Exterior VFX Model
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The Expanse is an American science fiction television series developed by Mark Fergus and Hawk Ostby for the Syfy network, and is based on the series of novels of the same name by James S. A. Corey. The series is set in a future where humanity has colonized the Solar System. It follows a disparate band of protagonists-United Nations Security Council member Chrisjen Avasarala (Shohreh Aghdashloo), police detective Josephus Miller (Thomas Jane), ship's officer James Holden (Steven Strait) and his crew-as they unwittingly unravel and place themselves at the center of a conspiracy that threatens the system's fragile state of cold war, while dealing with existential crises brought forth by newly discovered alien technology.
The Expanse has received a positive critical response, with particular praise for its visuals, character development and political narrative. It received a Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation and three Saturn Award nominations for Best Science Fiction Television Series. Syfy cancelled the series after three seasons. Amazon later acquired the series, producing three more seasons, with the sixth and final season premiering on December 10, 2021.
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Do the Rocinante Sets fit in the Exterior Model? ua-cam.com/video/D7d5tEZpGH4/v-deo.html
I notice that in this diagram is absent the rerserrvoirs for water. Reaction mass, coolant, shielding; that could be a lot of volume!
What is reaction mass?
@@agravemisunderstanding9668 basically fuel.
Aswell as where the air is stored during combat
@@MrKawaltd750 the reaction mass is water (Newton's 3rd law). The fuel are the pellets they ignite in the reactor to make fusion energy.
The books mention that ships use water as radiation shielding so the tanks are probably inside the hull
I'm pretty sure this design is somewhat more accurate to the books; if I remember correctly, there was a central lift or ladder up the center of the Roci.
I think it was along the spine, when ot lands planetside the bottom
One thing that definitely did not get imported from the books are the inter-deck hatches that slam shut behind you as you pass through.
As you say it is standard practice and expected that interiors are scaled up to fit the fourth wall, so to speak. Looking at real life warships, submarines and, as mentioned, the ISS, I think is fair to imagine that all interior spaces simply are a lot more crammed "in reality." Rocis galley absolutely dwarfs the galleys of subs that where designed for a lot more people, for example.
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While watching the show the insides not matching the outside never bothered me, I think I had realised fairly quickly once I gave it a thought (season 2 iirc) but as its never a thing that happens in TV shows for obvious reasons but I like that it did take a little bit of thought to work out if it woudl fit or not.
It would be genuinely impressive to have a set that fits the exterior model for a ship that is the shape and deck orientation of the Rocci but I imagine it would hamper the filming and by necessity result in some cramped un-cinematic shots that would do more harm in terms of enjoyment to the memebers of the audience that don't care than would add cool points for the smaller section of the audience that notice/work it out/do care.
I like this cross sectoin though so thank you for showing it I love the behind the scenes stuff for this show because it all came together so well and it shows the thought behind everything. Also this helps bridge the gap between the show Rocci and my in head image of the Rocci from the books, Which is always a bit off as I saw the show before reading the books but this helps.
Sweet. Love seeing content like this.
Odd that I missed this video 2 months ago, but great that UA-cam recommended it. I've known about this trick in the film industry since I saw a behind the scenes special for one of the Star Trek shows in the 90's. I've always wished that technology would catch up to sci-fi and thought it would be so awesome if a TV show got the budget to build a real spaceship and used "security" cameras to film the whole series. It's a crazy thought, I know, but we all have untenable dreams from time to time.
Spin gravity has been done already. It's just not done in space.
We have built a centrifuge for training in the us.
I believe Russia also tested a spin gravity mock-up for weeks on end. They had doctors doing all sorts of tests on heath.
One last example is that there were barrel chambers at amusement parks and carnivals when I was a kid. They spun the up fast enough to stand on the walls. But even though large compared to a person, they were too small not to make some people sick. They would hold at least 12 to 20 people.
What we have not done yet was build a 200 foot plus diameter wheel station designed back in the 1950s. Most likely due to cost. But we do have the technology and have had it for decades. We have even tested inflatable modules in space that could be used to build them. They would be a fraction of the size and weight of conventional modules at launch and be inflated in space.
Not only do we have tested modules today, but have reaction drives that will provide gravity with just electrical power. Essentially you mount a motor in a central hub between two torus rings of the station. For every foot of clockwise rotation the motor gives to the other rind, the motorized ring rotates one foot counter clockwise. Attach a long boom to the motor edge hub with a micro reactor on it you get free gravity and all the power the station needs as long as it is fueled without any propelant. You do still need fuel for maneuvering but that's minimal to retain or change orbit.
And I’ve started a project. Will be a 3D print deck by deck. And yes there will be embellishments- like when Jim argues with Naomi in the armoury, then proceeds to behind the stair case behind a wall- that’s into the rail gun housing and hard vacuum!
The disparity between the interior sets and the external VFX model of the Rocci never even occurred to me until it was pointed out to me by this and other videos. Then it was face-palmingly apparent. I can still watch the show for entertainment, but now I just can't get rid of the image that, to be in alignment with the main airlock and ready room, the ops deck should be way out beyond the hull. If you've read older science fiction stories (Heinlein, Clarke, Asimov etc.) they tended to describe their ships as HUGE. Heinlein's "torchships" were basically the size of ocean liners. So you could well imagine the hundreds of square meters of space within them that the stories described.
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LOL, The Shining bathroom scene.
One thing you could imagine differently is the transitional spaces. Fewer hallways and mezzanines and just a lot more stair wells. A pity because open-plan and split-level spaces look cool. But living in a tower with spiral stairways would be cool too. The other thing would be to use the full width of the ship at the levels that it bulges to locate some of the bigger common rooms.
There’s also supposed to be a central air flask. When the Roci goes into combat, they pump all the air into an armored central tank so that they don’t loose the air when the hull is punctured.
If its possible to armour it enough.... Makes more sense to have like a dozen or two of tanks further apart so if one is hit only a fraction of air is lost
If this is the only suspension of disbelief I need, it's amazing that this is the only one.
its been a tradition since the Millennium Falcon in 1977
There is a good recreation in a game called “Space Engineers”.
It's a personal pet peeve of mine whenever an interior clearly doesn't fit within the exterior. It most often happens with houses/buildings. The gold standard is The Bronze set from Buffy the Vampire slayer because the exterior/entrance really is the exterior/entrance to the set as it is the actual exterior of the soundstage (you can walk right into the interior from the exterior). The lead standard, from the same show, would be Spike's crypt which is, essentially, a TARDIS.
It really can be annoying once you know about it.
What I also love is when stuff that has no reason to logically fit actually does fit. Halo games actually USUALLY did a good job of packaging interiors logically into the exterior spaces. There are some obvious times when things don't make sense (The Maw Warthog Run the classic one) but by and large a lot of the models have things fitting well within the exterior model geometry. Not that Halo has stuff that is ever really practical but, there is some logic going on.
Weird layout, you would always want the bridge near the centre of rotation I would think or at least the most common rotation centre used in combat. Making that lever longer just increases felt G for no gain?
Re: not being able to (or it being prohibitively expensive) to create the sets so the rooms are stacked on top of each other like the exterior shows they must be (or like the 'real' Rocinante is), I'm guessing the OccHealth & Safety rules (so that camera operators etc could not fall, &/or props could never drop onto someone's head below etc etc) would add more exorbitant costs to it too........and I wonder if the "Americans with Disabilities Act" plays a part too? (which for something normal like an office, it would require access to be provided for people in wheelchairs and things like that......but obviously there are exceptions for things like, for example (I'm pretty sure) a skyscraper window washing company (the ones who abseil down the outside to clean the windows) wouldn't have to provide wheelchair access for any employees who need a wheelchair, and that isn't considered discrimination.
Where can I get a high res of this image
8 months and we still don't have it!!!
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I think the bridge would actually be in the middle of the vessel. This location would experience the least amount of force during high G maneuvers.
If you have the space, yes. The Roci does not have the space. I think bigger ships do have a more central bridge location.
Could you redesign the Rosaritea to better accommodate the layout of the set while still following the rules of the universe?
The only problematic point I can see in this design is that the bridge "cockpit" should be at the middle. Reducing the need of "juice" injected into your body. The only downside based on what kind of maneuvers this ship doing. If I'm the enemy I would aim at the center of mass all the time.
Is that VR model public? I'd love to explore around inside the Roci!
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In my brain it all fits LOLOLOL
Going by the set layout. I always thought the Rocinante was a larger ship.
Its meant for i believe around 30 people in full crew and marines. So it makes sense its relatively spacious. Something like 2 permanent watch (like co and doctor, or maybe if they rely on autodoc chief engineer) and 10 crew on duty with 2 rotations as most watches would be very relaxed and a 2 watch rotation os common with small crews plus 8 marines
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In your opinion, are the sets too big or is the depiction of the Roci too small?
Neither. I think that TV is an illusion of "reality," so accurately scaled sets are not as important as telling a story and facilitating the crew for filming.
It all perfectly fit. For hobbits.
Yo! Spoiler Alpert plz lol. I’m in season 4 hahah
I get that people have excuses for why pragmatism causes set designers to lazily sacrifice the ideal for that which is merely "achievable". And as stated, lots of sci-fi ships are designed by people who aren't really paying that much attention, have a Star Wars level education on space engineering (they didn't even download KSP!) and want things to do silly things like make the sets look good, or be easy to modify or repurpose, or fit within the building. Not trying hard enough I say!
I say, if they cared, maybe they should have actually hired some aerospace engineers to develop a complete working model and arrangement of the Rocinante (and every other key ship) before Season 1, so that they could plan better. Since no studio could hold such a thing properly they quite obviously should have gone and rented a proper Vehicle Assembly Building from NASA; or maybe developed something similar to the High Bays that SpaceX has since developed. And while they were at it, I'm sure they could have worked with some legitimate aerospace contractors who were only clearly 'pretending' to work on programs like the SLS, to help salvage some of their legacy work into the Roci sets. I'm sure with the head-start in expertise and established manufacturing spaces, and reusing many legacy components, it would have saved a lot of money over standing up all of that from a clean sheet! Clearly the best solution.
And to think, then we would have had the truly critical things in the show: like proportioned fuel tanks, radiators, and lavatories!
There is no room in the budget to hire aerospace engineers. How much money do you think The Expanse had? We did so much with so little.
When making a TV show, you need to design sets to fit the stunts, camera team, lights, sound, and additional crew. Plus, don't forget about the zero-g wires hanging from up above. You need room for this.
From an outsiders perspective and hindsight, it's easy to say you could have done this and that. I can tell you it was such a challenge to make The Expanse with the budget, timelines, and scope. Look at how many sets there are in season 1. We had to manage so much with tight deadlines and build so many sets that hiring actual aerospace engineers (who don't work in tv) is not practical, and there was no budget for it. Also, if we designed sets to make them work in reality, they would be cramped, small, difficult to film, terrible lighting (for the actors), and not as interesting. We are artists making art.
@@chrisdanelon Man I was really hoping I didn't need to point out the hyperbole in my post but just, for the record and all 🤣🤣
Tho to be fair, while the Roci bridge is kinda cool: the Pella, Arbogast, Thomas Prince, etc all have more square or circular bridge layouts that feel like part of a stacked ship arrangement; so how much is that the Roci was just one of the first major sets and lessons learned could be applied later on?
@scottwatrous we had different production designers for different seasons, so that could explain it. Also, the Pella was a redress of the Rocinante cargo bay and the Scirocco sets.
The roci has a decent enough head. Fuel pellets for the reactor come in crates that last ages so dont need much space, likely in tge bottom stored in reactor feed system, and water would make sense to store in the hull in many small tanks against loss of a hole is punched and sloshing, as it shields against cosmic radiation