@@Johnny-rx4hs I really enjoy The Orville but I feel like the tone is still so different from Star Trek. Like from a comedic perspective, I think older Star Trek was often hilarious but more from serious characters and cultural clashes like a cranky Worf or Data going on a date or Spock confused about the illogical nature of humans. Whereas in Orville, it is like John humping a statue or Ed having sex with the blue squirting guy who cheated with his ex-wife. I still really enjoy the show and far more than STD or Picard, but still doesn't quite hit the Star Trek spot for me.
@@darkengine5931 they've done all those too. Usually Issac or Bortus. The humour is being used to soften the blow of obvious agenda. Few if anyone even noticed that the entire crew didn't even think twice that suddenly Edd was playing for the other team. It was just normal. No one cared. The Blue ooze at the end just hides the message in humour. But subconsciously you still saw a society that was 100% fine with whatever word we invent in the future to describe human alien male male relationships.
As far as Kurtzman and his goons are concerned, Gene's vision of Star Trek is dead. We're living in J.J. Abrams' Hell-verse, and they're making sure that all of Trek is bound to it now.
Hell yeah .. Berman understood Roddenberry’s vision and made a point to stick to it. This is why NuTrek is such a horrible, abrupt & unrecognizable shift.
@@jamesforbes5616 Berman's issue was that he could be a bit too heavy handed at trying to "gaurd it" see season 1 Enterprise and most of Voyager (and Ronald D Moore's remarks about joining Voyager's writing crew post DS9). But he still understood what he was guarding. i will say if there is Star Trek in ten or twenty years I think it will be better now because we now see that having a guard even an overzalous one in charge of a show is far preferable to someone who has no experience and has no fidelity to the vision of Star Trek.
Gene was way ahead of his time, but without the tone he spent we couldn't have what we alrwsdy have right now, unfortunately idiots took over his work of art
The history of Star Trek is a history of debates. Who is the better captain, Kirk or Janeway? Is the Dominion War arc too overpowering, too dark? Is Captain Picard too given to philosophical speculation to be effective? Is Commander Sisko too obsessed with the Pa-wraiths to function properly? Each time a new series with a new setting and new characters has been introduced, there has been resistance followed by acceotance, and the fans have stayed. But there was a reason that they stayed. From series to series, the ethos of Star Trek remained. The feel of Star Trek remained. The question was always of acceptance of new characters and a new setting WITHIN STAR TREK. That is what has changed. It is not merely a question of what timeline Discovery and Picard are in -- the disaster that is JunkTrek is not within the Star Trek ethos, not within the scope of anyone's understanding of what Star Trek is. The JunkTrek now being churned out in Canada fails not only as Trek, but in basic terms of writing, acting, continuity, and cohesion. It is garbage even taken as generic sci-fi. It is chaotic and incoherent, sadistic and ugly. It takes beloved characters from previous series -- Spock, Icheb -- and destroys them. Fans are not being asked this time to accept a new set of characters and a new setting -- it is demanded of us that we reject Star Trek itself and accept a completely different program in its place. This the fans will not do. The viewership ratings for JunkTrek are so abysmal because it has driven away existing fans and very few new fans have arrived to take our place. No one who has watched an episode of JunkTrek will ever want to see that episode again. Imagine settling down to enjoy again that wonderful moment when Icheb's eye is gouged out. Yet all over the world, TOS, TNG, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager are watched and loved. People play individual episodes over and over the way they play fine music. This is nothing like the arrival of previous new series. The makers of this dystopian trash have produced something the fanbase will never accept.
That is truth right there, I have felt dirty after every of the few STD and 1st season Picard episodes I watched. Contrary I rewatch especially the Data centered shows of TNG and also DS9's The Way of the Warrior, because Worf is just such a badass coming in, having bar fights, doing intelligence work by getting hammered, blowing up spaceships and switching to hand to hand combat in ops while flirting with Jadzia. He did all of that BEFORE he eventually regained his confidence and deciding to stay in starfleet - which was what the story here was actually about and all the explosions where in the end just eye candy and not the means to itself.
Absolutely one hundred percent spot on. A new show post dominion war with new alliances and new threats. Treachery and intrigue abound, can former foes reconcile their differences, do the founders really want peace or is it a ploy ? And what's this signal picked up from the beta quadrant, who is this new hostile species and will it force friends and foe alike to band together to save the galaxy ? But no Kurtzman just wants to destroy, destroy, desstroy. Like Davros from Dr Who, a different show I know but that's Kurtzman for you.
I've gotten used to Hollywood trampling over my childhood by making horrid remakes/prequels/sequels of my beloved films like Total Recall, Robocop, Jacob's Ladder... But somehow STD upsets me much more than usual. I'm not entirely sure why. I think a lot of it has to do with Kit Cat's brilliantly-stated reasons, but also because STD seems to have developed some sort of bizarre and rabid fanbase that will call me racist or sexist or something (very serious things to accuse someone of being as opposed to just the juvenile "stupid") for disliking it. I am from Japan so I am not so experienced with what people are calling "SJW" and things like this, but I am starting to get a firsthand experience just expressing my dislike for this series. I used to think not only Star Trek crew members were idealistic human beings who seemed so emotionally mature and ethical, but that the fans would be more educated and civil and mature than the average variety. STD disappoints me both ways.
It’s too bad Frakes and friends are now willing accomplices in the destruction of the message that Gene shared with them. RIP STAR TREK AND GENE RODDENBERRY!!
William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, and DeForest Kelley all understood exactly what Star Trek was meant to be. They were articulate and eloquent in explaining it, and they meant every word they said.
@@mrandrossguy9871 But the vision IS dead. The ST community isn't comprised of sensitive peaceniks. This lot cheer on the drone kills, waterbording and rapacious imperialism like the devil himself. Occidentals celebrated the purported murder of Bin Laden in the streets and relished the Gaddafi snuff murder video. For this is a Godless, pessimistic epoch of pitch-black nihilism and denial.
It is too bad. And I think a large part of the hesitation from part of the old cast - Spiner and Sitis - was borne out of underatanding that this is not what they had built. Even Sir Stewart thiught about it for a bit too much. I just wish that in the end they would have said no. I don't think I can give STP another shot after he bad season 1 was. Even if they change it for the better, the journey there is getting hard to watch, and considering it is serialized, it makes it worse. I just re-read Immortal Coil, Cold Equations and Light Fantastic. COLD Equations is a better continuity product than STP. NuTrek can die for all I care, but I still have the OG stuff.
"For I dipt into the future, as far as human eye could see, saw a vision of the world, and the wonder that would be." - A. Tennyson; the quote as used upon the dedication plaque of the USS Voyager, it's a shame that the wonder has been turned into dystopian nastiness, because that's all I can see for the future of star trek in the hands of these idiots...
Gene Roddenberry had a remarkable and unique vision of the future that no one else dared to duplicate. This is what kept Star Trek fresh for decades! Kurtzman: Gene who?
They knew what they were doing, too. That came from the same sadistic stick-it-to-the-fans mindset that produced the guy with the shovel named "Gene". The amazing thing is that they are ASTONISHED at JunkTrek's abysmal ratings.
Anyone remember Voyager's "The Void," where, trapped in the worst of situations, Voyager assembles a sort of mini-Federation of the rag-tag group of stranded ships, most of whom were at each other's throats, for their mutual protection, benefit, and, ultimately, freedom? Showcasing what the best of 24th century humanity and the UFP's guiding principles could achieve? Nah, me neither. Let's just have evil greenskin aliens doing awful things until they git blasted an' blowed up.
That is a dream I am having. Someone competend taking over the series, spinning it around by making clear, all the "new" stuff was mirror universe and goes back to actually being Star Trek. And yes I know STD has mirror universe already in it but nothing is mirrored there it is just further down the abyss.
Could say that about so many. Michael Moore, Ice Cube, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Chris Rock, Roseanne Barr, Alex Jones, Jesse Jackson, Snoop Dogg, Eddie Izzard, ...
Hollywood wants all actors involved in a project to present a pleasant front. Ken Stott from the Hobbit films said he was almost blacklisted from the industry because he publicly complained about not getting an invite to the premiere. He said major producers and CEOs were really upset over him gripping. I have no doubt Franks hates the new shows but knows he can't complain without ending his career.
Smoothbrains will argue that the Borg is evil technology just like control. They'll argue this without realizing the scariest part of the Borg isn't the machines they put into you, it's losing individuality, free will, creativity, emotion, and everything that makes us human.
And in the process, they'll forget about Hugh, and the idea that was proposed with him: the Borg without the loss of individuality, the perfect democracy, where the individuals contribute perfectly and all things can be communicated without the loss of understanding. I always wanted to see more of Hugh's Borg, see them using their technology and implants to make an even better world, but sadly the opposite happened.
Well Mr. Roddenberry I am glad you are not alive to see where the world is now. But if your writings are prophetic that means we only have forty years of tribulations.
Aliens that say that “we are aren’t worth saving”. I always think, who are they to judge? It would seems that the aliens who are on a higher “level” than us are considerably arrogant.
It so sad to to see Star Trek the way it is now, I really did think the charters and the future shown on trek was something to inspire to. Now What I see does not inspire me in least.
Then, at the end of this video, we have people screaming there's nothing wrong STD and the Picard series that if you don't like it, then you're an -ist and a -phobe.
Discovery was so far out there they barely managed to wrap it up sanely. They did, but a billion miles from where they started. So many things wrong with it that honestly, The Orville was more trek than Trek at the time. Picard was too dark and depressing too. Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds have the right formula.
It's one thing to get used to the name being abused in this way, but it's really jarring when you see the familiar characters, the same ones that upheld trek values you care about, become different people and deliver such shitty lines as, "I can't wait to kick your Tal Shiar ass". I feel like my memory is failing me, and I get confused.
I agree the new stuff is very different and away from Gene and Ricks positive outlook - I am not a fan of the new stuff ... I see here there is one dislike and many many many more likes for your video - I think that says it right there. Great video - Thanks 😊
discovery is more comedy than lower decks! Im writing NEW discovery that makes the old episodes just a weird borg simulation and bernam comes out into the real deep space 9 universe and actually becomes legit with sisko and quark
Ok, here is a legitimate question- If Gene didn't believe in the idea of optimistic future, and didn't saw the possibility of aliens wanting to invade earth or destroy it...then can someone please explain to me The Klingons, The Borg and the Xindi War? I'm not automatically calling Gene a hypocrite, I'm just curious.
Other writers worked on Trek. It appears that there was a unique creative atmosphere created by Berman attempting to restrain the writers to being respectful of "Gene's vision" while those other writers, naturally, wanted to explore the darker side. TNG era Trek walked that tightrope and it seems to me that both camps had valid ideas and reasons and the shows that resulted from this creative tension benefitted greatly from this editorial process.
Well, you're wanting to tell a message, but it is being done in the art form of drama. Drama needs conflict. That and you can have the principles of the Federation, but you cannot count on everyone going along with the plan. We see this every day in human affairs.
It’s all just so obnoxious and filled with nihilism, imagine hating something you watched growing up so much, that you decide “I’m gonna rewrite this and destroy it’s legacy.” It’s burning books but in digital form.
Strange New Worlds is already ruined by the trashed and degraded "emoSpock" in Discovery -- that's the emoSpock who will be on Strange New Worlds. He is weak, neurotic, and whiney. He is dyslexic. The obnoxious Burnham character has "molded" and "shaped" him into a different person, for which he expresses deepest gratitude and devotion to her. 🤮 No one who loves Spock should go anywhere near Strange New Worlds -- even apart from what they do to Kirk. And Strange New Worlds will be worse than Discovery because, having already trashed Spock, they will now most certainly go after Kirk. The ridiculous characters in Discovery 3 are people we don't care about. Kirk and Spock are people we love. If you are a Star Trek fan, stay away from Strange New Worlds. If you love Kirk and Spock, Strange New Worlds will only appall and disgust you.
He's just one man, he could be wrong or he could be right. However, I would choose to side with Gene's view over fear with respect to advanced technology: it is a tool which must be used wisely and respected to improve our condition. And who is to say that AI will not try to help us, if it were to supersede us?
As Bill Shatner said recently, Gene would be spinning in his grave if he knew what Paramount and Klutzman was doing to his baby. Anything Trek after Enterprise is FAN FICTION to me : )
Star Trek: “Every other sci-fi series is dystopian, let’s do something different”
Kurtzman: Lol no
Seth MacFarlane: "Fine, I'll do it myself."
@@Johnny-rx4hs I really enjoy The Orville but I feel like the tone is still so different from Star Trek. Like from a comedic perspective, I think older Star Trek was often hilarious but more from serious characters and cultural clashes like a cranky Worf or Data going on a date or Spock confused about the illogical nature of humans. Whereas in Orville, it is like John humping a statue or Ed having sex with the blue squirting guy who cheated with his ex-wife. I still really enjoy the show and far more than STD or Picard, but still doesn't quite hit the Star Trek spot for me.
@@darkengine5931 they've done all those too. Usually Issac or Bortus. The humour is being used to soften the blow of obvious agenda. Few if anyone even noticed that the entire crew didn't even think twice that suddenly Edd was playing for the other team. It was just normal. No one cared. The Blue ooze at the end just hides the message in humour. But subconsciously you still saw a society that was 100% fine with whatever word we invent in the future to describe human alien male male relationships.
Kurtzman felt like he had to do something different….by going back to what Star Trek first tried so hard to get away from
As far as Kurtzman and his goons are concerned, Gene's vision of Star Trek is dead. We're living in J.J. Abrams' Hell-verse, and they're making sure that all of Trek is bound to it now.
Compared to what Kurtzman is doing Rick Berman was extremely faithful to Roddenberry.
Hell yeah .. Berman understood Roddenberry’s vision and made a point to stick to it. This is why NuTrek is such a horrible, abrupt & unrecognizable shift.
That's because Berman felt he was the guardian of a legacy. And Kurtzman sees it as a tool to push his career.
@@jamesforbes5616 Berman's issue was that he could be a bit too heavy handed at trying to "gaurd it" see season 1 Enterprise and most of Voyager (and Ronald D Moore's remarks about joining Voyager's writing crew post DS9). But he still understood what he was guarding. i will say if there is Star Trek in ten or twenty years I think it will be better now because we now see that having a guard even an overzalous one in charge of a show is far preferable to someone who has no experience and has no fidelity to the vision of Star Trek.
100000%
Gene was way ahead of his time, but without the tone he spent we couldn't have what we alrwsdy have right now, unfortunately idiots took over his work of art
The history of Star Trek is a history of debates. Who is the better captain, Kirk or Janeway? Is the Dominion War arc too overpowering, too dark? Is Captain Picard too given to philosophical speculation to be effective? Is Commander Sisko too obsessed with the Pa-wraiths to function properly?
Each time a new series with a new setting and new characters has been introduced, there has been resistance followed by acceotance, and the fans have stayed.
But there was a reason that they stayed. From series to series, the ethos of Star Trek remained. The feel of Star Trek remained. The question was always of acceptance of new characters and a new setting WITHIN STAR TREK.
That is what has changed. It is not merely a question of what timeline Discovery and Picard are in -- the disaster that is JunkTrek is not within the Star Trek ethos, not within the scope of anyone's understanding of what Star Trek is.
The JunkTrek now being churned out in Canada fails not only as Trek, but in basic terms of writing, acting, continuity, and cohesion. It is garbage even taken as generic sci-fi.
It is chaotic and incoherent, sadistic and ugly. It takes beloved characters from previous series -- Spock, Icheb -- and destroys them.
Fans are not being asked this time to accept a new set of characters and a new setting -- it is demanded of us that we reject Star Trek itself and accept a completely different program in its place. This the fans will not do.
The viewership ratings for JunkTrek are so abysmal because it has driven away existing fans and very few new fans have arrived to take our place.
No one who has watched an episode of JunkTrek will ever want to see that episode again. Imagine settling down to enjoy again that wonderful moment when Icheb's eye is gouged out.
Yet all over the world, TOS, TNG, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager are watched and loved. People play individual episodes over and over the way they play fine music.
This is nothing like the arrival of previous new series. The makers of this dystopian trash have produced something the fanbase will never accept.
Yeah !
Thanks for Making paragraphs
That is truth right there, I have felt dirty after every of the few STD and 1st season Picard episodes I watched. Contrary I rewatch especially the Data centered shows of TNG and also DS9's The Way of the Warrior, because Worf is just such a badass coming in, having bar fights, doing intelligence work by getting hammered, blowing up spaceships and switching to hand to hand combat in ops while flirting with Jadzia. He did all of that BEFORE he eventually regained his confidence and deciding to stay in starfleet - which was what the story here was actually about and all the explosions where in the end just eye candy and not the means to itself.
Absolutely one hundred percent spot on.
A new show post dominion war with new alliances and new threats. Treachery and intrigue abound, can former foes reconcile their differences, do the founders really want peace or is it a ploy ? And what's this signal picked up from the beta quadrant, who is this new hostile species and will it force friends and foe alike to band together to save the galaxy ?
But no Kurtzman just wants to destroy, destroy, desstroy. Like Davros from Dr Who, a different show I know but that's Kurtzman for you.
Hear, hear!
I've gotten used to Hollywood trampling over my childhood by making horrid remakes/prequels/sequels of my beloved films like Total Recall, Robocop, Jacob's Ladder... But somehow STD upsets me much more than usual. I'm not entirely sure why. I think a lot of it has to do with Kit Cat's brilliantly-stated reasons, but also because STD seems to have developed some sort of bizarre and rabid fanbase that will call me racist or sexist or something (very serious things to accuse someone of being as opposed to just the juvenile "stupid") for disliking it. I am from Japan so I am not so experienced with what people are calling "SJW" and things like this, but I am starting to get a firsthand experience just expressing my dislike for this series. I used to think not only Star Trek crew members were idealistic human beings who seemed so emotionally mature and ethical, but that the fans would be more educated and civil and mature than the average variety. STD disappoints me both ways.
It’s too bad Frakes and friends are now willing accomplices in the destruction of the message that Gene shared with them.
RIP STAR TREK AND GENE RODDENBERRY!!
Yep. Shame they’ve bought into this pointless vision, different dimension, timeline or not.
The point of THIS video is to Not think that way !
Even though some OG cast are Hypocritical Doesn't mean The Vision is dead
William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, and DeForest Kelley all understood exactly what Star Trek was meant to be. They were articulate and eloquent in explaining it, and they meant every word they said.
@@mrandrossguy9871 But the vision IS dead. The ST community isn't comprised of sensitive peaceniks.
This lot cheer on the drone kills, waterbording and rapacious imperialism like the devil himself.
Occidentals celebrated the purported murder of Bin Laden in the streets and relished the Gaddafi snuff murder video.
For this is a Godless, pessimistic epoch of pitch-black nihilism and denial.
It is too bad. And I think a large part of the hesitation from part of the old cast - Spiner and Sitis - was borne out of underatanding that this is not what they had built. Even Sir Stewart thiught about it for a bit too much. I just wish that in the end they would have said no. I don't think I can give STP another shot after he bad season 1 was. Even if they change it for the better, the journey there is getting hard to watch, and considering it is serialized, it makes it worse.
I just re-read Immortal Coil, Cold Equations and Light Fantastic. COLD Equations is a better continuity product than STP. NuTrek can die for all I care, but I still have the OG stuff.
"For I dipt into the future, as far as human eye could see, saw a vision of the world, and the wonder that would be." - A. Tennyson; the quote as used upon the dedication plaque of the USS Voyager, it's a shame that the wonder has been turned into dystopian nastiness, because that's all I can see for the future of star trek in the hands of these idiots...
Gene Roddenberry had a remarkable and unique vision of the future that no one else dared to duplicate. This is what kept Star Trek fresh for decades!
Kurtzman: Gene who?
The quote by Gene at the end of season 3 was a kick in the teeth to the fans.
Not if we ignored and disregarded this utter trash.
They knew what they were doing, too. That came from the same sadistic stick-it-to-the-fans mindset that produced the guy with the shovel named "Gene".
The amazing thing is that they are ASTONISHED at JunkTrek's abysmal ratings.
Anyone remember Voyager's "The Void," where, trapped in the worst of situations, Voyager assembles a sort of mini-Federation of the rag-tag group of stranded ships, most of whom were at each other's throats, for their mutual protection, benefit, and, ultimately, freedom? Showcasing what the best of 24th century humanity and the UFP's guiding principles could achieve?
Nah, me neither. Let's just have evil greenskin aliens doing awful things until they git blasted an' blowed up.
Kurtzman should make a 40k tv show, not a star trek one, lol.
Has Jonathan Frakes been replaced by a mirror version these days?
That is a dream I am having. Someone competend taking over the series, spinning it around by making clear, all the "new" stuff was mirror universe and goes back to actually being Star Trek. And yes I know STD has mirror universe already in it but nothing is mirrored there it is just further down the abyss.
Could say that about so many. Michael Moore, Ice Cube, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Chris Rock, Roseanne Barr, Alex Jones, Jesse Jackson, Snoop Dogg, Eddie Izzard, ...
Hollywood wants all actors involved in a project to present a pleasant front. Ken Stott from the Hobbit films said he was almost blacklisted from the industry because he publicly complained about not getting an invite to the premiere. He said major producers and CEOs were really upset over him gripping. I have no doubt Franks hates the new shows but knows he can't complain without ending his career.
Heart breaking.
Smoothbrains will argue that the Borg is evil technology just like control.
They'll argue this without realizing the scariest part of the Borg isn't the machines they put into you, it's losing individuality, free will, creativity, emotion, and everything that makes us human.
And in the process, they'll forget about Hugh, and the idea that was proposed with him: the Borg without the loss of individuality, the perfect democracy, where the individuals contribute perfectly and all things can be communicated without the loss of understanding. I always wanted to see more of Hugh's Borg, see them using their technology and implants to make an even better world, but sadly the opposite happened.
I find Kurtzman's blank white home sans decor to be rather telling about his persona.
They used to put a blindfold over Gene's bust to keep him from seeing something he might find inappropriate. Kurtzman put a black bag over it.
Or knocked it off the desk and stomped on it repeatedly.
Complete with orange jumpsuit.
I'd say the bust was thrown into a dumpster, out back of the studio and a lot of nasty chuckling was heard.
I remember complaining about Berman in the 90s. I will never stop apologizing.
Is there anything special left about Star Trek? I’d hate these shows a bit less if they were called something else.
And true fans know what episode was being filmed when Frakes is on the bridge set...that configuration was only used once.
Well Mr. Roddenberry I am glad you are not alive to see where the world is now. But if your writings are prophetic that means we only have forty years of tribulations.
LoL 2063
*Tribble-ations
A few Gene Roddenberry words spoken by Jonathan Frakes gives more than entire Kurtzmans life wisdom is and will be until his dawn.
Can you do a Jonathan Frakes no hunger, no greed super cut?
1:41 well atleast they didn't take a hammer to it
Aliens that say that “we are aren’t worth saving”. I always think, who are they to judge? It would seems that the aliens who are on a higher “level” than us are considerably arrogant.
Weirdly ironic.
@@beingsshepherd Q:??????
Gene was a key thinker, I cannot believe what they have done to his legacy.
It so sad to to see Star Trek the way it is now, I really did think the charters and the future shown on trek was something to inspire to. Now What I see does not inspire me in least.
To be fair the high-minded earlier series have a pitiful socio-political legacy.
Look at the state of the world.
@@beingsshepherd Well, apparently Arab Spring brought some... Unfortunate consequences
@@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597 Waring militias and slave markets in Libya. #ThanksNATO
Thank you Gene. To hell with Kurtzman.
you should've played one of jonathan frakes's director roll in STD after his flamboyant speech on Roddenberry's vision
Good Job!
Then, at the end of this video, we have people screaming there's nothing wrong STD and the Picard series that if you don't like it, then you're an -ist and a -phobe.
i was expecting you to show the emerald chain slave markets after rikers speech lol
Discovery was so far out there they barely managed to wrap it up sanely. They did, but a billion miles from where they started. So many things wrong with it that honestly, The Orville was more trek than Trek at the time. Picard was too dark and depressing too. Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds have the right formula.
0:55 LOL "I dont think computers will ever take us over" CUTS to scene of nano probe injection. I laughed so hard my family complained.
It's one thing to get used to the name being abused in this way, but it's really jarring when you see the familiar characters, the same ones that upheld trek values you care about, become different people and deliver such shitty lines as, "I can't wait to kick your Tal Shiar ass". I feel like my memory is failing me, and I get confused.
STD lives up to its name
I agree the new stuff is very different and away from Gene and Ricks positive outlook - I am not a fan of the new stuff ... I see here there is one dislike and many many many more likes for your video - I think that says it right there. Great video - Thanks 😊
discovery is more comedy than lower decks! Im writing NEW discovery that makes the old episodes just a weird borg simulation and bernam comes out into the real deep space 9 universe and actually becomes legit with sisko and quark
your many videos pointing out the differences between old and new trek has made me feel like a victim defended.
Ok, here is a legitimate question- If Gene didn't believe in the idea of optimistic future, and didn't saw the possibility of aliens wanting to invade earth or destroy it...then can someone please explain to me The Klingons, The Borg and the Xindi War? I'm not automatically calling Gene a hypocrite, I'm just curious.
Other writers worked on Trek. It appears that there was a unique creative atmosphere created by Berman attempting to restrain the writers to being respectful of "Gene's vision" while those other writers, naturally, wanted to explore the darker side. TNG era Trek walked that tightrope and it seems to me that both camps had valid ideas and reasons and the shows that resulted from this creative tension benefitted greatly from this editorial process.
Well, you're wanting to tell a message, but it is being done in the art form of drama. Drama needs conflict. That and you can have the principles of the Federation, but you cannot count on everyone going along with the plan. We see this every day in human affairs.
It’s all just so obnoxious and filled with nihilism, imagine hating something you watched growing up so much, that you decide “I’m gonna rewrite this and destroy it’s legacy.”
It’s burning books but in digital form.
he's actually right , the way we are heading there will be No hunger No greed in the 24th century, also no people..
Star Trek is supposed to be different.....
Strange New Worlds is already ruined by the trashed and degraded "emoSpock" in Discovery -- that's the emoSpock who will be on Strange New Worlds.
He is weak, neurotic, and whiney. He is dyslexic. The obnoxious Burnham character has "molded" and "shaped" him into a different person, for which he expresses deepest gratitude and devotion to her. 🤮
No one who loves Spock should go anywhere near Strange New Worlds -- even apart from what they do to Kirk.
And Strange New Worlds will be worse than Discovery because, having already trashed Spock, they will now most certainly go after Kirk.
The ridiculous characters in Discovery 3 are people we don't care about. Kirk and Spock are people we love.
If you are a Star Trek fan, stay away from Strange New Worlds. If you love Kirk and Spock, Strange New Worlds will only appall and disgust you.
Kuntman found this video and disliked it.
If you have to put a blindfold over a bust of the creator of the series you're working...on it becomes time to question your talents.
Elon Musk is scared shitless about AI.
Very sensible.
He's just one man, he could be wrong or he could be right. However, I would choose to side with Gene's view over fear with respect to advanced technology: it is a tool which must be used wisely and respected to improve our condition. And who is to say that AI will not try to help us, if it were to supersede us?
@@dr.strangelove9815 _All power corrupts._ We're not especially caring of chimpanzees.
@@beingsshepherd if all power corrupts then it is better to go Anarchism,by your view.
@@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597
It is indeed. I'm trying to inspire a society of probity and self-reliance for those who are able.
Greed is actually a good thing.
Contradiction in terms.
As Bill Shatner said recently, Gene would be spinning in his grave if he knew what Paramount and Klutzman was doing to his baby. Anything Trek after Enterprise is FAN FICTION to me : )