Saying, with a straight face, "they wouldn't have been put in charge if they were incompetent" in reference to this s***show is absolutely stunning to me. You can't really believe that.
Re: hot take: "portraying the orcs as a whole as family men Because they're elves, they've just been corrupted. So they're a mockery of the elves, is I think how they're technically stated." NOPE. From The Silmarillion: "and by slow arts of cruelty were corrupted and enslaved; and thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orcs in envy and mockery of the Elves, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar" They STARTED OFF as corrupted Elves. And THEN they could breed. And now, the rest: GOOD!? ARE YOU HIGH? You say it's good and then what, 5-10 minutes in, all we're hearing are reasons why it's just so BAD? "can't be that incompetent or they wouldn't be put in charge of things" WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE LAST TWO SEASONS? "People changed states" - so Prime Elrond, Poppy and Nori can survive falling from great heights, Prime Galadriel's HAIR can survive a volcano to the face, but what, this episode is good because Mirdania took a header off the wall? Elrond glues his face to his mother-in-law, to pass off a cloak pin that THE ORCS CAN SEE HIM PASS OFF and this is "good"? "they should have made this season three movies. This one season? Uh, maybe just the show in general. Yeah. three movies per year." Why not, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER. "Seeing him work things out" Even though it would've been more consistent for the candle to have returned to "unmarked" and Prime Sauron would've used that to keep gaslighting Prime Celeborn. Everything else was Matrix-looping, why not the candle?
Imagine praising Rings Of Crap. Battle only takes place at one section of a wall. Eregion defended by about 4 elves. Everyone decides to have their conversations out on the same wall that is under arrow fire and seige ladders. A trebuchet is strong enough to knock down a mountain but can't knock down a city wall. The river gets completely dammed in about 5 minutes. Celebrimbor discovers that Annatar is Sauron before he completes all the rings but then after knowing he was decided into making rings by the devil he continues to finish making the rings. Elrond stops a cavalry charge at the last moment to have a negotiation. After the rings are complete, Sauron doesn't take the rings and instead disappears somewhere leaving Celebrimbor alone with the rings. Sauron decides to take the rings after all but only after Celebrimbor escapes with the rings that he was left alone with but then Celebrimbor decides to go back to Sauron....because. Troll appears and immediately dies after doing precisely nothing. About 12 elves are left to defend the city wall when Adar attacks. Horse kicking the orc behind it. Teleporting Celebrimbor has lost his mind. All hail Lord Annatar. Galadriel says Annatar is Sauron. All hail Celebrimbor. Build up to epic battle. Cut to something else. Cut back to epic fighting. Cut to have a conversation on the wall. Cut to fighting build up. Cut to people talking in the middle of a battle field. Cut to a big cavalry charge. Stop the cavalry charge and cut to a negotiation. Suddenly it's night time. Cut to a discussion on the battle field again. Suddenly it's morning 5 seconds later.
It's good that you guys can appreciate improvement, and can adjust your point of view on the episode being discussed. Like you said, it doesn't change your mind about the journey of the show thus far, it is simply ONE moment that apparently showed some competence. People get too precious about their "stance" and won't change it even in the face of new information. It's irrational, and I'm glad to see that you two are sensible enough to be able to separate yourselves from your previous reviews and stay in the moment at hand. When we let our opinions become precious we get things like... this comment section :)
O woah fantasy battle, sooo coool! -_- I really have to question your judgement. Nothing in this episode made any sense. Armies were teleporting over huge distances, the cast knew things they could not have been told or learned, the whole siege takes place within hours, everyone shows up within seconds of their fake plot device timer running out. Millenia old immortal beings acting like maladjusted teenagers with early onset dementia. And the excruciatingly stupid lines, who is writing this chatgpt trained on harry potter fanfic? Even the battle is just idiotic, it does not make any sense it's planned and choregraphed with no regard for logic or common sense.
Rivers aren't blocked like that, charging armies aren't stopped like that, send out the troll first, the mutinous soldiers got character whiplash, the ravager makes no sense, the elves are too weak, the orcs are too emotional, Cerebrimbor was too weak and stupid, cut the chain, not the thumb, Sauron is incredibly powerful in tiny doses/spaces and only when the story needs it, they could have kept back/sent some dwarves, Durin's ring is too evil for any dwarf to touch any more, the little beards on the dwarf women were too small and silly, the costumes looked cheap, the populations too sparse, and I DONT WANT TO SEE HORSES DIE! It is too soon after Artax
I must say the battle itself didn't have terrible decision making like it happened in the GoT in the battle against the undead. However the horse charge getting interrupted was terrible. The elven soldiers looked cartoonish and just uninspiring whether they came from Lindon or from the city itself (why are all their armours different - looks like plastic). They also always had few Elven soldiers shooting arrows. The scale always looked small even though sometimes there were hundreds of orcs invading
the battle was the best part of the episode, and said battle was amateurish bordering on comical at points. i actually laughed at the boromir scene with asian elf. casting for asian elf was weird too, by weird i mean bad. For someone with a "money shot" scene, her acting was so so bad. With all that money could the supporting cast not be better? Surely a Jamie Chung or Gemma Chan type of female asian actress could portray the elf "vibe" better. The cinematography(of the battle) was also very painful. I think the worst thing about the show is the lack of understanding of, and the actual lack of, narrative tension. As an adaptation of a "prequel", the magic is how it gets there not where is it going because even a even a casual fan knows where this is going. given the indestructible plot armor of most of the characters, even those who are going to die we know when and by whom, the writers just need to write better, it has been lazy and amateurish up to this point
I’m confused you just said people complain about nothing happening and yet you say “well obviously something is happening otherwise there would be a blank screen,” and then you point out what everyone is actual complaints are about which is the characters don’t change. 😅. Secretly hating on the show without even realizing it.
ahh! the irony of Celebrembor the "ring maker" cutting off his finger...........then many years later Sauron loses the ring after getting his finger cut off! FATE!!!!........OH and Frodo getting his finger bitten off by smeagle!
Are you really joking !? 💀 Was enjoying your videos for some time but this one is really disappointing.... You must be either high or drunk to call this so called battle GOOD
People gotta hate no matter what they do. Lore breaking aside... I genuinely think the last two episodes have been brilliant. Far more focused and paced better. There is some really great stuff going on, before the Orc's join Sauron I really think the family Adar dynamic is fantastic, it's added layers to them that they never had prior. The acting was brilliant by the likes of Elrond and Sauron. Celebrimbor was finally a compelling nuanced character and not the dumb paper thin puppet we've seen so far. Give credit where credit is due sometimes.
It was genuinely a good episode of TV. As you said, lots happened. I was worried they were iust going to have two CG armies clashing over and over and was pleasantly surprised to see they had thought the battle through in a more logical way. Some of the sound mixing was odd, there were some scenes in the city and outside the walls where the background sounds of the fighting virtually vanished, which seemed a bit amateur. Apart from that, I really enjoyed it. Sauron felt like Sauron for the entire episode - no cutaways to him emoting regret over his deeds: he believes that what he's doing is genuinely good -for the benefit of all middle earth. He doesn't see himself or his actions as 'evil' so why would he be torn in that way? Its a pity that the final taste in our mouths (next week) will be Yoda Bombadil, Nori and Gandalf getting a stick.
Easily the best episode of the series, the series should’ve started with celembribor and anatar not season 1, this season still had bad writing but ep7 had pretty good writing and no hobbits wooooo! 😂
Are you actually deaf and blind? And even IF this episode was even mediocre ... this does not redeem two seasons of pure hatred for tolkien fans. This can't be stated enough: The makers of this show HATE fans of lotr and Tolkien himself. And yes, this is basic click/rage-bait on your part ... well it worked.
... You guys didn't really give the points on how this was good? The only thing I could say that was good is Anatar and Calibrimbro. The dialogue and acting was really intense. The rest was soo boring and dumb. People had plot armour and didn't feel like things were hectic or realistic soo many scenes were random and thrown in there.
This is the WORSE episode because I skipped the fight scenes and i only watched the dialogue: it was horrendous how the characters were hemorrhaging IQ with every line and action... but you think this was a good episode, while I'd rate it in the negative!
lol how could you possibly think this was good ?? Battle too small so many logic problems and Elrond kissing Galadriel???
You think one of the main reasons it was bad was because Elrond kissed Galadriel?
@@garethmiguel no the dialogue, the underwhelming scale of battle and even the city the complete disrespect to everything Tolkien wrote
The catapult can blow chunks off a mountain, but not a stone wall
@@garethmiguel YES actually. You think that is not a big deal??
@@garethmiguel , sir, she is his mother-in-law.
Saying, with a straight face, "they wouldn't have been put in charge if they were incompetent" in reference to this s***show is absolutely stunning to me. You can't really believe that.
Re: hot take: "portraying the orcs as a whole as family men Because they're elves, they've just been corrupted. So they're a mockery of the elves, is I think how they're technically stated."
NOPE. From The Silmarillion: "and by slow arts of cruelty were corrupted and enslaved; and thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orcs in envy and mockery of the Elves, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar"
They STARTED OFF as corrupted Elves. And THEN they could breed.
And now, the rest:
GOOD!? ARE YOU HIGH? You say it's good and then what, 5-10 minutes in, all we're hearing are reasons why it's just so BAD?
"can't be that incompetent or they wouldn't be put in charge of things" WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE LAST TWO SEASONS?
"People changed states" - so Prime Elrond, Poppy and Nori can survive falling from great heights, Prime Galadriel's HAIR can survive a volcano to the face, but what, this episode is good because Mirdania took a header off the wall?
Elrond glues his face to his mother-in-law, to pass off a cloak pin that THE ORCS CAN SEE HIM PASS OFF and this is "good"?
"they should have made this season three movies. This one season? Uh, maybe just the show in general. Yeah. three movies per year."
Why not, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER.
"Seeing him work things out"
Even though it would've been more consistent for the candle to have returned to "unmarked" and Prime Sauron would've used that to keep gaslighting Prime Celeborn. Everything else was Matrix-looping, why not the candle?
Imagine praising Rings Of Crap.
Battle only takes place at one section of a wall.
Eregion defended by about 4 elves.
Everyone decides to have their conversations out on the same wall that is under arrow fire and seige ladders.
A trebuchet is strong enough to knock down a mountain but can't knock down a city wall.
The river gets completely dammed in about 5 minutes.
Celebrimbor discovers that Annatar is Sauron before he completes all the rings but then after knowing he was decided into making rings by the devil he continues to finish making the rings.
Elrond stops a cavalry charge at the last moment to have a negotiation.
After the rings are complete, Sauron doesn't take the rings and instead disappears somewhere leaving Celebrimbor alone with the rings.
Sauron decides to take the rings after all but only after Celebrimbor escapes with the rings that he was left alone with but then Celebrimbor decides to go back to Sauron....because.
Troll appears and immediately dies after doing precisely nothing.
About 12 elves are left to defend the city wall when Adar attacks.
Horse kicking the orc behind it.
Teleporting
Celebrimbor has lost his mind. All hail Lord Annatar. Galadriel says Annatar is Sauron. All hail Celebrimbor.
Build up to epic battle. Cut to something else. Cut back to epic fighting. Cut to have a conversation on the wall. Cut to fighting build up. Cut to people talking in the middle of a battle field. Cut to a big cavalry charge. Stop the cavalry charge and cut to a negotiation. Suddenly it's night time. Cut to a discussion on the battle field again. Suddenly it's morning 5 seconds later.
Are… are you serious? Is this a troll?
exactly
Who pays these people
We spend half the video ripping it apart but sure
@@burgunbeerdDidn't you say it was a good episode?
The only good bit was when Adomir got stabbed.
people have different opinion = troll
good logic
A balanced review. Ignore the hyper-critics and keep up the good work.
@@christiansmith7358 thanks mate, much appreciated!
It's good that you guys can appreciate improvement, and can adjust your point of view on the episode being discussed.
Like you said, it doesn't change your mind about the journey of the show thus far, it is simply ONE moment that apparently showed some competence.
People get too precious about their "stance" and won't change it even in the face of new information. It's irrational, and I'm glad to see that you two are sensible enough to be able to separate yourselves from your previous reviews and stay in the moment at hand.
When we let our opinions become precious we get things like... this comment section :)
O woah fantasy battle, sooo coool! -_-
I really have to question your judgement.
Nothing in this episode made any sense. Armies were teleporting over huge distances, the cast knew things they could not have been told or learned, the whole siege takes place within hours, everyone shows up within seconds of their fake plot device timer running out. Millenia old immortal beings acting like maladjusted teenagers with early onset dementia. And the excruciatingly stupid lines, who is writing this chatgpt trained on harry potter fanfic?
Even the battle is just idiotic, it does not make any sense it's planned and choregraphed with no regard for logic or common sense.
Rivers aren't blocked like that, charging armies aren't stopped like that, send out the troll first, the mutinous soldiers got character whiplash, the ravager makes no sense, the elves are too weak, the orcs are too emotional, Cerebrimbor was too weak and stupid, cut the chain, not the thumb, Sauron is incredibly powerful in tiny doses/spaces and only when the story needs it, they could have kept back/sent some dwarves, Durin's ring is too evil for any dwarf to touch any more, the little beards on the dwarf women were too small and silly, the costumes looked cheap, the populations too sparse, and I DONT WANT TO SEE HORSES DIE! It is too soon after Artax
I must say the battle itself didn't have terrible decision making like it happened in the GoT in the battle against the undead. However the horse charge getting interrupted was terrible.
The elven soldiers looked cartoonish and just uninspiring whether they came from Lindon or from the city itself (why are all their armours different - looks like plastic).
They also always had few Elven soldiers shooting arrows. The scale always looked small even though sometimes there were hundreds of orcs invading
You're trying too hard to help redeem the Dumpster Fire Of Power.
I hope that, when the show is done, someone recuts just the good bits together with better pacing, and actually makes something good out of it
This must be a joke
I also really like this season.Episode 7 was so good.I dont care about critics and bad reviews.This show is very good
the battle was the best part of the episode, and said battle was amateurish bordering on comical at points. i actually laughed at the boromir scene with asian elf. casting for asian elf was weird too, by weird i mean bad. For someone with a "money shot" scene, her acting was so so bad. With all that money could the supporting cast not be better? Surely a Jamie Chung or Gemma Chan type of female asian actress could portray the elf "vibe" better. The cinematography(of the battle) was also very painful.
I think the worst thing about the show is the lack of understanding of, and the actual lack of, narrative tension. As an adaptation of a "prequel", the magic is how it gets there not where is it going because even a even a casual fan knows where this is going. given the indestructible plot armor of most of the characters, even those who are going to die we know when and by whom, the writers just need to write better, it has been lazy and amateurish up to this point
The movies had silly stuff like Legolas using a sheiled as a skate board in the two towers
I’m confused you just said people complain about nothing happening and yet you say “well obviously something is happening otherwise there would be a blank screen,” and then you point out what everyone is actual complaints are about which is the characters don’t change. 😅. Secretly hating on the show without even realizing it.
I was waiting for the punch line. It turns out you were serious 🤣🤣🤣🤣
ahh! the irony of Celebrembor the "ring maker" cutting off his finger...........then many years later Sauron loses the ring after getting his finger cut off! FATE!!!!........OH and Frodo getting his finger bitten off by smeagle!
It's surreal to watch a decent episode of this show.
my bad i got super confused with the title . was expecting last week . ill be back once i have seen it proper.
Oh woops! Thanks for pointing that out for me. Fixed now
Last week's is 3 videos ago if you're interested though
best part of the episode: no harefoots
@@automatedrussianbot8043 it makes a pretty dramatic difference
The comment section is the largest collection of basement dweller drama I’ve ever witnessed.
For sure. Say one slightly complimentary thing about a crappy show and suddenly the internet drama squad is out to wave their fists at the clouds lol
Are you really joking !? 💀 Was enjoying your videos for some time but this one is really disappointing.... You must be either high or drunk to call this so called battle GOOD
Dan had been drinking
@@burgunbeerd 😁
It is a complete joke
This episode was the worst. A bad Helmsdeep ripoff. Glad you guy's found some positive things, but this show is laughably bad at this point😒
Was that a Bob DeNiro impression? 😏👏
That Iced Tea shirt is beautiful.
Good?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Hehe orc get thrown by trebuchet 😊
Love it
How much did Amazon pay you?
then you love sh1t
good??? XD ... nel
Anyone who makes their beard a core component of their persona is not to be listened to.
@@mitch6962 alright, guy with 69 in username
What do you think an Orc's PeePee looks like?
This question will be Very confusing for anyone that hasn't watched the video yet 😂
Square like wombat poop!
I'm guessing they're all messed up the same way each individual orc is.
People gotta hate no matter what they do. Lore breaking aside... I genuinely think the last two episodes have been brilliant. Far more focused and paced better. There is some really great stuff going on, before the Orc's join Sauron I really think the family Adar dynamic is fantastic, it's added layers to them that they never had prior. The acting was brilliant by the likes of Elrond and Sauron. Celebrimbor was finally a compelling nuanced character and not the dumb paper thin puppet we've seen so far. Give credit where credit is due sometimes.
lmao
season 3 is greenlit btw.
It was genuinely a good episode of TV. As you said, lots happened. I was worried they were iust going to have two CG armies clashing over and over and was pleasantly surprised to see they had thought the battle through in a more logical way.
Some of the sound mixing was odd, there were some scenes in the city and outside the walls where the background sounds of the fighting virtually vanished, which seemed a bit amateur.
Apart from that, I really enjoyed it. Sauron felt like Sauron for the entire episode - no cutaways to him emoting regret over his deeds: he believes that what he's doing is genuinely good -for the benefit of all middle earth. He doesn't see himself or his actions as 'evil' so why would he be torn in that way?
Its a pity that the final taste in our mouths (next week) will be Yoda Bombadil, Nori and Gandalf getting a stick.
The bow scene and battle scenes looked so cheap.
Did we watch the same episode/show? LOL
Yes movies at least can't hide the view figures. Seems a lot of excuses but just cant say it's just bad fan fiction with too much money to spend
Marko and Dan NOT complaining? Whoa.
It wasnt good....
Good? hahahahhahahhahahaha
Easily the best episode of the series, the series should’ve started with celembribor and anatar not season 1, this season still had bad writing but ep7 had pretty good writing and no hobbits wooooo! 😂
Shills gotta shill i suppose,
They’ve demolished every episode of the show, save this one, and you seriously think they’re shills??!?
Because they gave a couple of minor kudos about this one specific episode you deem that they are "shills"?
That's little kid logic.
Are you actually deaf and blind?
And even IF this episode was even mediocre ... this does not redeem two seasons of pure hatred for tolkien fans. This can't be stated enough: The makers of this show HATE fans of lotr and Tolkien himself.
And yes, this is basic click/rage-bait on your part ... well it worked.
@@NineSun001 if you want to see us hate the show feel free to watch the previous 8 episode reviews where we shit on it
... You guys didn't really give the points on how this was good?
The only thing I could say that was good is Anatar and Calibrimbro. The dialogue and acting was really intense.
The rest was soo boring and dumb. People had plot armour and didn't feel like things were hectic or realistic soo many scenes were random and thrown in there.
This is the WORSE episode because I skipped the fight scenes and i only watched the dialogue: it was horrendous how the characters were hemorrhaging IQ with every line and action... but you think this was a good episode, while I'd rate it in the negative!