Stans are really gonna support Shane and Jeffree and yet vilify Tati, it’s the misogyny for me. It’s the different expectations for women for me. It’s the acceptance of foul behavior from men while canceling women for me.
Um.... that’s just hilarious to me. If it was against Shane or Jeffree would you say it was because there gay? Are you not stabbing for Tati right now? Do you not realize a majority of people who watch these 3 are woman and gay/trans men? Your just being completely biased. Stop blaming misogyny and just admit it. Like I like Tati too. But she does hold some blame. I would still take her side over the others because I feel like she handled it all the best. But I’m not gonna sit here like everybody included in this drama hasn’t been canceled time and time again. That Tati didn’t gain more from this then she lost. That Shane and he free aren’t being CONTINUOUSLY canceled right now. I don’t get you.
markel thomas It’s misogyny luv. It doesn’t matter if most of their fans are women or gay men. Women can have internalized misogyny and hatred for other women, and gay men can still be sexist you know that right?
Alayna I don’t agree. For all the criticisms she gets it’s never because “she’s a woman”. I like Tati. But she’s getting the same energy as everyone else is. Honestly less. Most people are getting at her for accusing a minor of being a rapist without all the facts. It’s a fair reason to not like her. To say it’s all just internalized misogyny is ridiculous to me. It’s like your saying because she’s a woman she can do no wrong.
Breaks my heart that despite Tati spending 10 years on this platform being the most unproblematic, honest and genuine person ever, never kissed a brand’s butt never took undisclosed sponsorships (barely took sponsorships at all), uploading 5 videos a week, has now had her legacy tarnished by an unfortunate call after associating with 2 of the most problematic youtubers EVER. I genuinely admired her so much, she carried herself with grace and everything she did she did to the highest standard and with integrity while remaining sensitive and emotional and a dork and it was so inspiring and endearing to witness. This platform meant everything to her, and i’m so sorry it became a toxic place for her because of one mistake.
@@MsHelloerz she did on video. She also said no one made her make the video and that she stands with what said. It was only later that she put all the blame on others. Jeffree also called him a predator, yes, but Tati did as well.
Wow I cannot believe that you would think that cancelling her over wet hair is okay! I personally know from my google search that wet hair is actually 100% okay and other people have had wet hair.
@@kaleigh1221 Well it's not because others have done it that it's ok. I'm sure you're just defending her because she's your fave but if it was some random person you would cancel them for their wet hair.
@Victoria i use to ignore his problematic behavior but after how aggressive he is towards other success is embarrassing. like he thinks the world only revolves around him. which sucks cause i did love his videos and make up.
I miss Tati. I’m just gonna say it: so much of the hate against her was the combined fury of Jeffree, Shane, and James Charles stans, plus a sprinkling of the misogyny that has always existed in the beauty community. People brought up her age constantly to both demean her and go “well she should have known better she’s an adult!!!” without realizing that trauma changes a person. I could totally sympathize with her believing a supposed account from a fellow victim. I would have too.
It still blows my mind how she is the most badly affected/getting the most hate among the three. If they are bringing up her age, they should have brought up both Shan and Jeff ages too. And there is no capped off age for being manipulated (it's not like whelp that lady is 30, she just achieves immunity to manipulation now, we can't use her anymore). She has her own faults too but what the other two have done were so much worse. The perfect example of misogyny and ageism for women.
I miss her but if leaving is what’s best for her mental health then that’s what she should do. Her husband has a great job, she doesn’t have to rely on UA-cam for money, and this stress isn’t helping her fertility issues. She really wants to have a baby and I think that’s what she should focus on.
Yeah I miss her too. I watched her for years and years. She's a good person, she just made a bad mistake. You could see how it changed her after, she started seeming she was faking her personality, probably was from the stress of it all : /
I miss Tati, I was just thinking any her the other day, wondering what her opinion would be on Rare beauty. Watching her videos every night at the end of the day was my distraction. I was watching her since 2014. It sucks how the most problematic people in the situation seem unfazed but she's looked at as the villian. I hope she's doing well and comes back whenever she's ready.
@@sofifi03 but you don't just stop going to work when you have a fuck up in your publicised private life. She could still upload videos without comments active, like family channels, so there is no community interaction for her to deal with.
I got my Oden's Eye eyeshadows in the mail this week. They are FLAWLESS. The quality is honestly unmatched! Super grateful you shared the brand on your second channel. It changed my makeup game!!
I don’t mean to be dramatic but American politics also influence politics in Europe A LOT. Trump out of the House would be a devastating blow to all Sovranists and populists in the west. VOTE HIM OUT.
I really don't understand why Tati who has never been problematic in the past got completely cancelled whilst someone such as jeffree star gets away with everything, it isn't fair, I really miss Tati
James Keeling shes blaming shane and jeffree EVENTHOUGH she made the video and made this mess. she didnt care about james or she would never have made that video. she made the video over some fucking vitamins instead of anseering james calls. she was a 37 year old woman going after a teenager, she should take responsibility instead of shifting blame. it isnt about sexism its about the fact that shes delusional. (ps i dont like shane and jeffree theyre shitebags just like tati)
@@madriddys8725 first of all, it ain't your apology to accept. James already forgave her who was one of the victim's in all of this. So you have no right to be salty while the person who this was meant for accepted her apology. Second, people think the vitamins was the only think but it wasn't. The vitamins were the LAST draw for her. She had so much sadness built in her because she would always support all her UA-cam friends n nobody would suport her back. She also did so much for James, like get him collabs n sponsors and he never "repaid" her back. The vitamin situation made her explode which I dont blame her. James told tati he would NEVER support those vitamins but he did. He also lied to his fans saying these r the best vitamins and they help with anxiety but he only took the vitamins for one day. Nevertheless, they are both in good terms now. Move on just like they have.
I think the reason why the “innocent” people get bullied of the platform quicker is mostly because they have a heart. Like the musician, he knew he didn’t do anything wrong and still got bullied. That takes a hard toll on you. Or Tati, she must feel so much guilt and having people bully her about it definetly doesn’t make it easier. Or Jenna Marbles, she never did anything wrong. Yet, she felt super responsible about tanning (? Idk I didn’t really understand the whole drama there), she felt guilty and the harassement made it worse. On the flip side, Jeffree Star doesn’t care what people say about him. He brushes it off and makes snarky comments, shows no remorce. And because he doesn’t seem to be affected it kind of manipulates people into thinking nothing bad is going on and therefore don’t think there’s any reason to not support him.
Jelke Lenaerts Jenna did make some insensitive parodies/highlighted insensitive stereotypes, but she apologized and promised to change - which she did, and has since then been unproblematic. I absolutely adore Jenna and I miss her, but I don’t want to pretend she didn’t do anything wrong, but at the same time she never meant to hurt anyone and changed when people expressed how it hurt them, and I think that’s the best thing you can do in that situation. It sucks how the shitty people get off Scott free, and the ones who actually try to better themselves gets shat on repeatedly. It makes me so upset honestly
Jenna's situation wasn't just about the unintentional blackface, but also s*utshaming women and making a r*cist "joke" about an Asian man in a song. I know she said she did not intend to do blackface, she just had a really ridiculous tan, but you can't really choose how other people perceive that. Considering Shane Dawson explicit blackface "comedy" was doing so well back then, I don't think it's ridiculous that people might see that and think she hopped on the trend too.
Jelke Lenaerts ah i see! She did a few other things in a similar vein, but again - she apologized and changed her behavior. This summer wasn’t the first time she has addressed the things she did in the past, things just resurface again and again, so she has been apologizing for the same things for years, which sucks. I don’t know what else people want from her at this point, cause she has educated herself and changed, and yet people come for her anyway.
Women are usally subjected to a higher standard. In the case of tati social have completly bashed her. Her past is no where near as problematic as the other parties involved including James and by contrast ppl would constantly praise jefree star for telling it as it is. Apologies and holding yourself accountable is extremely important but a woman you are always hold to a higher standard. I really appreciate the fact that Angelika never bashed her bc she is now sadly being held to same standards
Molly Burke CONSTANTLY gets comments about her FAKING her blindness. Because she can use a phone. Because she knows where her camera is etc is such nonsense.
He has his own channel which shows his art, his notebook "Mind" which is an eco-friendly note pad. His channel name is just his first name Maclin. He has 13.4k subs. Hope that helps you find him. He is a really interesting person!
Unfortunately it's not two categories of opinions, it's more of a gradient... some opinions are somewhere in the middle. but I totally agree, orange is ugly
Tati was, and is, one of the best youtubers out here. No one does beauty like her. No one has her charm. I always felt safe and happy watching her videos. How her eyes lit up when she played with makeup... I miss her. I really, really miss her. And i hope she comes back soon.
oscar - Me too. I of course am critical and disappointed in her for not taking accountability, but she always felt like I was just chatting with a cool aunt about makeup. It wasn’t as strict as someone like Nikkie or James and her makeup style is more relatable.
I agree! Her reviews are everything to me, I always made sure I knew what Tati’s opinion was on something. 80% of my makeup collection is based on what Tati recommends, and I’m never almost never disappointed about the products. I miss her, I hope she’s doing well.
I agree. Tati will always have a special place in my heart. I got back into make up because of Tati and she was the first youtuber I subscribed to. However I have to admit since bye sister Iv felt a bit off when watching her. I miss her and her videos.
@@ffsake1361 I felt weird in the sense that i felt her vibe kinda off. I felt like, even tho at the time i liked J, it wasn't a good move for her. However, i think, out of the four of them, she's the most genuine and has the best intentions. (in my opinion/perception) I hope she comes back soon
As a Bangladeshi, the labour thing is completely true- and it isn't just Kylie, it's a LOT of major fast fashion brands as well. The root of the problem is that the people who work in these factories have been forced to believe that those are good and sustainable working conditions.
um clearly orange is the best. and because we all disagree you all now my mortal enemies and i hate you. because i don't like you all your opinions are wrong and i refuse to listen or agree with anything you say #CANCELLED
@@FelicityFeliRose "had to" was a poor choice of words on my part. His company applied for a small business loan meant for actual small business to stay open during the pandemic, and they were given hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's interesting that his multi-million dollar company needs that money meanwhile Jeffree is handing out money on twitter.
Felicity Duggan He applied for the small business relief fund, and was rewarded a significant amount of money. Which obviously pissed off a lot of people, because in what was world is his company a small business? That money should have been given to smaller businesses, money could have helped out a lot more small businesses survive and not go out of businesses. It wasn’t just the Clownfish either, some larger corporations also had these relief funds rewarded to them.
Also apparently he bought another hypercar, A bugatti Chiron that costs upwards of 3M$. His neighbor Alejandro (ig: salomondrin) posted it and tagged him and his boyfriend (amarxii or something) posted it as well.
I really hope Tati comes back. She's my absolute favorite and it's been so weird not having her around. I get why people would want to still be mad but at the same time, IF JAMES FORGAVE HER, THEN YOU SHOULD TOO. This is a great example of women in this industry getting a much harder time than the men who do much worse.
This!!! James, the guy who was affected by the video, forgave her! It’s everyone’s choice to keep supporting her, but there’s no need to hate on her! I’m hoping she comes back, she’s one of my favorites!
I also really hate how people are so vile to her PERSONALLY, instead of simply being upset about her mistake. They comment on her age, looks, body, fertility issues, marriage, and it’s not okay. no one deserves that.
Agreed. Tati is the least problematic person involved in Dramageddon. She did a lot of bad things during that but so did Jeffree and Shane, and they also have a long history of doing bad shit, whereas Tati does not.
"Only"? Falsly accusing a teenager of being a predator in front of millions being aware he might commit suicide over it? Common sense is not that common these days.
@@maybug88 she was manipulated by Shane and Jeffree and as a survivor herself she felt she had a moral obligation what you are saying is valid yes but she is getting all the blame what it should be Jeffree and Shane
@@scrumptious_bussy1037 she was warned about Jeffree by the whole internet, but refused to listen, her problem. She is getting cancelled by her fans because her fans have some morals and a functioning brain, Jeffree's are, well, like Jeffree.
I really want to see Tati come back on UA-cam I really miss her she was a really great content creator and she got canceled and bullied a lot of times because of one thing she did and as you said Jeffree Star is not affected by it ,people are still buying he's makeup and Shane dawson dropped new merch and probably going to come back on UA-cam and if she came back on UA-cam she probably will get so much hate. By the way I really like your videos you're an amazing drama Channel.
that "one thing" was litteral slander and accusations of predatory behaviour tho. she deserved the backlash BUT not cancelation. i agree that shane and jeffree deserved wayyy more backlash than she, but please do not minimize what she has done.
I've been bullied off of social media. The stress of wondering when I'm going to be attacked or confronted for NOTHING got so bad I would get physically ill anytime someone other than my best friends messaged me. People are the worst.
top tiktokers: *racist, homophobic, sexist, asking minors for n00ds* everyone: omg they apologised yall are haters 🙄 king your head up king 😌👑 taio cruz: *gave us dynamite and wants to vibe* everyone: let’s bully this decent guy off the platform 🤪
Okay i love Pewds and i still watch his content until this day, but i think a lot of the hate for Tati comes from his community. They weren't too in touch with the drama, they don't know what kind of people Jeremiah Starfish and Shame Doomster are, and Pewds having a strong negative feelings towards Tati probably skewed his community's perspective towards her. This isn't a so much of a stretch considering Pewds didn't know the consequence of bringing a well known right wing figure to his channel.
Idk about "not knowing" the consequences of courting the alt-right. Like I don't think he's actively hateful personally (hard to judge but I don't know his feelings) but I think he's fine with his audience being racist and sexist, he's fine with white supremacists being in his community, he's fine with taking their money. Like I remember the days where he would throw little 3sec clips of Hitler into like, his Bloodbourne playthroughs. As a "joke" but, idk, also to appeal to those who enjoy that being there. His whole "kill all jews" sign thing - why that particular phrase? Of all shocking things to say, why that one? He caters to his audience. He reviewed Jordan Peterson's book, who's deeply sexist and transphobic and alt-righty. So with Tati, I think he targeted her bc he knew his audience would love that. It's a decision he keeps making.
Oh yeah definitely. He literally said in his live stream where he watched her video that he hates Tati. Like that’s straight up bias but obviously his young fans don’t know that.
omg, I am an idiot. I literally thought it was the other side of the same room, and was then like "I really wouldnt want to have to doors in my bedroom, because then 2 murderers can ambush you at the same time". I should really go to sleep.
Deefinitely agree on the Tati topic. she should just come back on youtube and never look back at the drama from the last year. I just want her to make palettes again becaused I missed the launch and I want her to make her content again. I really do miss her on the platform
I have been thinking about why people are still hating on Tati when James has forgiven her! I'm glad you pointed it out! It has been annoying me for a while
Even though there are plenty of valid reasons to dislike Kylie Jenner, I feel like there are also plenty of people that dislike her because “she’s so fake she has so much lip filler and plastic surgery” without ever knowing about the actually harmful things she does. Hating someone for stealing from black creators is completely valid, but hating her for using lip filler is just as superficial as people say she is
Honestly you're right on the money on how average or not as problematic people getting punished harder than people who are blatantly terrible people The fact that people like Tati Westbrook, Gabbie Hanna, Olivia Jade, and Emma Chamberlain are dragged harder when they do problematic or shady things which honestly are so little compared to things Shane, Jeffree Star, and Jake Paul have done like I'm not saying Tati, Gabbie, Olivia, and Emma are perfect they've all done things that weren't the best but it seems they are punished or dragged for their mistakes that are so minimal compared to the stuff these male influencers do like extreme racism, sexism, misogyny, homophobia, bullying, and even being predators make it make sense
Kristina Koren Tati at least sincerely apologized and took accountability and was the only of the three to do so Shane threw a tantrum on Instagram live and Jeffree is a sociopath and doesn’t care who he hurts once Tati saw the impacts after the video was posted she immediately realized the video took things too far.
Kristina Koren She apologized to James in private and he forgave her so clearly it was way more sincere in person and clearly he believed her because they compared receipts the in person apology is more important than the public apology
Kristina Koren I don’t think she went into with the intent to ruin his life at all she had some hurt feelings and I think she was pushed and encouraged to make this videos I think she meant to make this video as some sort of intervention but things didn’t go like she planned Tati just isn’t that calculating or malicious of a person this girl went 10 years on the internet without a single scandal or fued online
@@EverythingInLife95 Tati never accused him of being a sexual predator tho Jeffree did all she said was James acted inappropriately at her party but that's it Jeffree was the one who said he's a danger to society and flaunted this "secret" voice memo of one of his victims
Kristina Koren No it’s not Jeffree was the one who made it sound like James was a full blown predator who s*xually assaulted someone and said he was a danger to society Tati wasn’t the one who said that she NEVER called him a predator she just said his behavior was inappropriate also why are you still on this James forgave her because he thought her apology was sincere and clearly she’s telling the truth about Jeffree and Shane manipulating her since they compared receipts
Tati said that she was scared to live in her LA home because she’s worried Jeffree could hire a hit out on her, didnt she? If I’m wrong please let me know (kindly, I’m fragile🥺) but I thought that was a big reason to why she left that house. And I agree, I really wish she could come back to UA-cam and all social media platforms because she most likely really regrets what she did. I miss her a lot actually because she was so genuine.
Raya X I have a vague memory of her saying in her last video that she’d moved again to be safe, and dint want to say where. So she may not even be in Seattle. I could be misremembering, though.
I couldn’t agree more with what you said about Tati. It’s so sad to see her online presence fade away, she was someone I always loved to watch and I found her videos relaxing. I’d love to see her come back. I think because she has always been so unproblematic people are extra bit picky with her and expect an unattainable standard of behaviour, past human error. Shane and J*, on the other hand, have always been horrible in one way or another, so their fans don’t hold them to any rigid standards. Plus they’re white men 🙃. I know Tati’s mistake was huge, but like you said, James has forgiven her, so no one has an obligation to be hurt on his behalf when he isn’t hurting.
I really miss Tati :< I hope she'll be back soon, and I hope her brand will still grow ands create more stunning products like her wonderful eyeshadow palette.
I think what Tati did was terrible, but I also think it's time to stop making her the main villain of this never-ending story. Jeffree tried to make everyone believe James was an awful human being. Him and Shane manipulated a SA victim into calling out an abu$er (We don't know what he told Tati. It may be way worse than we believe and it's obvious she is very sensitive to the topic). Tati personally and publicly apologized to James. We know that James forgave her for the video she released. Maybe if people want to spend their energy talking about this drama they should be focusing on Shane and Jeffree getting away with destroying a teenager's life to sell palettes.
I love your UA-cam channel and ur videos like u explain things in a way that isn’t dramatic and you have a good sense of right or wrong instead of just cancelling ppl 🥺also ur super prettyyy
Me with my naturally very tight curls COULD NEVER. When my hair's drying I look sheepish and occasionally like dumbledore cause Australia has 4 seasons in 1 day.
Just feel so shitty with thinking the next generation is better and there are sometimes, there more accepting and can care more about mental health and awareness. But then we have stuff like this, with literally contradicts the mental health thing i just mentioned. Where it’s just some huge popularity contest and who’s side we’re picking this week
even though i completely acknowledge Tati's wrongdoings and huge mistake she made, i genuinely miss her. she was THE youtuber that got me into makeup, her honest reviews, everything. i truly feel for her.
Okay Angelika, agree with everything you said, but when it comes to Alex Warren, I have to respectfully disagree. Dobrik found a niche, created something special, curated specifically to his channel (the video length, the humor, the quick jumps to action, the LAUGHTER, etc.), and Warren, who previously did not laugh or behave as he does now, copied this in every way. I dont watch Dobrik or Warren, Ive seen commentary channels talk about it, and its just not okay. You didnt change your personality, style, voice or laughter to sound more like Spill Sesh or Phillip DeFranco. You are just doing the same type of content. Its not the same. THAT SAID: No one EVER should send anyone ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS the way people did to him. Criticism is one thing, but some people take it to the next level.
I kinda feel bad for Tati. I really did think her content was pretty good and her character (in her normal videos) seemed good. It’s nice that Angelika addressed the Kylie thing.
I watch your videos a lot and have never left a comment before. Considering I've been enjoying your content for some time now, I'd like to voice that. You seem extremely unproblematic and lovely. I really enjoyed how you broke down the "problematic opinions" idea into something as simple as colors to make it easy to follow. Thank you for you content.
FluffyLlama i- we have all had “tough times” but we arent crappy people who say/do creepy things to children and animals and others. but i mean “tough times” am i right
taking an example from you regarding being vocal about positive opinions: i love your channel because you have an opinion but also leave room for others. thank you for that. i appreciate it very much.
regarding the tati situation, I don’t know how I necessarily feel about you pointing out tati only made “one mistake.” While I do agree she shouldn’t have received more consequences than shane and jeffree and shouldn’t have been bullied, what she did to james was not a mistake. James, who was 19, almost killed himself. He lost so many things because of that situation and his reputation was tarnished. Tati didn’t directly call him a predator but she did start the narrative and did further push a bad image of gay men. She made a choice, regardless of manipulation, it was a CHOICE. not a mistake. mistakes are dropping your drink or accidentally stepping on something, not accusing a 19 year old of predatory behavior.
I just agree with you so much lol its so refreshing to be able to come to a channel and know your watching someone that's not bias and has a head on their shoulders! And your gorgeous 😍 I'm living for your second channel too! Xoxo
backwards room..... SHES TRYING TO THROW US OFF FROM THE BOOK SHELF TOUR.
I KNEW it!
RIGHT! We need it!!
Omg i knew something was off
Drop the book shelf tour, don’t be shy
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT NOTICED THAT
Cancel culture never cancels the people that actually deserve to be cancelled 😢
Except for Shane Dawson lol
@@katiemeston2609 hopefully 🤞🤞
That's bc the people that deserve to be cancelled truly don't care while others do
#facts
LMFAO.
Getting mad for Alex Warren being similar to David Dobrik is like people getting mad at Danny Gonzalez for being the same person as Drew Gooden.
Not true it’s blue
B Dekker lol I changed it. We can agree to disagree
I totally agree. And unrelated, I loveee when Drew and Danny make jokes about being the same person 😂
Danny and Drew are the same person tho...
Exactly, just ship them.
weird how people are willing to cancel a woman for one mistake but go to defend a P word
Right? So gross
Caroline u know,,, a creepy adult that preys on children
not me thinking of ben shapiro saying p word
Ok tell us who is defending a P word then?
@@trevorphillips3340 Shame Dumpson's fans
One of the best videos you’ve ever made 🙌
Hyram!!! Also I agree
You’re the sweetest person alive I swear. Ily
omg faves
HYRAMMMMMM 💖
Hi hyram, I love you queen ❤️👑
Taio Cruz gave us dynamite. Have some respect people
Exactly and it’s way better than that BTS flop song
@@jaidaa how about you don't bring down other artists when stating your opinion?
@@jaidaa ohh they livin in your head rent frEE.
Sıla Nil I didn’t bring down the artist... I brought down the SONG
Cody _ They really aren’t tho... Stan Tayo Cruz instead
Stans are really gonna support Shane and Jeffree and yet vilify Tati, it’s the misogyny for me. It’s the different expectations for women for me. It’s the acceptance of foul behavior from men while canceling women for me.
yes! it truly bothers me....
Um.... that’s just hilarious to me. If it was against Shane or Jeffree would you say it was because there gay? Are you not stabbing for Tati right now? Do you not realize a majority of people who watch these 3 are woman and gay/trans men? Your just being completely biased. Stop blaming misogyny and just admit it. Like I like Tati too. But she does hold some blame. I would still take her side over the others because I feel like she handled it all the best. But I’m not gonna sit here like everybody included in this drama hasn’t been canceled time and time again. That Tati didn’t gain more from this then she lost. That Shane and he free aren’t being CONTINUOUSLY canceled right now. I don’t get you.
markel thomas It’s misogyny luv. It doesn’t matter if most of their fans are women or gay men. Women can have internalized misogyny and hatred for other women, and gay men can still be sexist you know that right?
Alayna I don’t agree. For all the criticisms she gets it’s never because “she’s a woman”. I like Tati. But she’s getting the same energy as everyone else is. Honestly less. Most people are getting at her for accusing a minor of being a rapist without all the facts. It’s a fair reason to not like her. To say it’s all just internalized misogyny is ridiculous to me. It’s like your saying because she’s a woman she can do no wrong.
Not really.. The only people that support them are their fans, and that isnt mysogyny related
Breaks my heart that despite Tati spending 10 years on this platform being the most unproblematic, honest and genuine person ever, never kissed a brand’s butt never took undisclosed sponsorships (barely took sponsorships at all), uploading 5 videos a week, has now had her legacy tarnished by an unfortunate call after associating with 2 of the most problematic youtubers EVER. I genuinely admired her so much, she carried herself with grace and everything she did she did to the highest standard and with integrity while remaining sensitive and emotional and a dork and it was so inspiring and endearing to witness. This platform meant everything to her, and i’m so sorry it became a toxic place for her because of one mistake.
She lied about an 19 year old boy being a predator, she isnt innocent!
Jasper Jay De Graeve she never called JC a predator, that was jeffree in his tweet after tati’s video came out.
Agree completely, miss her videos so much she just radiates positivity and kindness
@@MsHelloerz she did on video. She also said no one made her make the video and that she stands with what said. It was only later that she put all the blame on others. Jeffree also called him a predator, yes, but Tati did as well.
@Chris Paez she said he prayed on 'straight' men. Saying someone lies is calling them a liar.
I have absolutely no problem with this video ❤️
hey freddy c:
@@Queen-ty1xz same 😂😂
you have taste Frederic I did not know you watched Angelica
Wowie, legends supporting legends
hahahha love this
omg...her hair is wet. Cancelled.
I AM JOKING, PLEASE DON'T SUE ME
“this is absolutely not funny, delete this immediately or my lawyer will be in contact”
@@chihiro____ *Deep inhale*
I was in a dark place...
Isaac Howlton omg why are people coming after her that was along time ago she has changed!!
Wow I cannot believe that you would think that cancelling her over wet hair is okay! I personally know from my google search that wet hair is actually 100% okay and other people have had wet hair.
@@kaleigh1221 Well it's not because others have done it that it's ok. I'm sure you're just defending her because she's your fave but if it was some random person you would cancel them for their wet hair.
honestly anything jeffree star has done lately doesn't surprise me anymore
@Victoria same it makes me sad but I'm glad I realized before I spent money on his brand
@Victoria i use to ignore his problematic behavior but after how aggressive he is towards other success is embarrassing. like he thinks the world only revolves around him. which sucks cause i did love his videos and make up.
@@jyslog right!!
@@jyslog right!!
I'm waiting for him to run for president
I miss Tati. I’m just gonna say it: so much of the hate against her was the combined fury of Jeffree, Shane, and James Charles stans, plus a sprinkling of the misogyny that has always existed in the beauty community. People brought up her age constantly to both demean her and go “well she should have known better she’s an adult!!!” without realizing that trauma changes a person. I could totally sympathize with her believing a supposed account from a fellow victim. I would have too.
my favorite is when they come for tati for not being mature while babying shane. It funny when they fail to realize that shane is 32.
It was ironic to me how everyone begged for her to come back with her side of the story and then they hated on her when she came back
It still blows my mind how she is the most badly affected/getting the most hate among the three. If they are bringing up her age, they should have brought up both Shan and Jeff ages too. And there is no capped off age for being manipulated (it's not like whelp that lady is 30, she just achieves immunity to manipulation now, we can't use her anymore). She has her own faults too but what the other two have done were so much worse. The perfect example of misogyny and ageism for women.
I miss her but if leaving is what’s best for her mental health then that’s what she should do. Her husband has a great job, she doesn’t have to rely on UA-cam for money, and this stress isn’t helping her fertility issues. She really wants to have a baby and I think that’s what she should focus on.
Yeah I miss her too. I watched her for years and years. She's a good person, she just made a bad mistake. You could see how it changed her after, she started seeming she was faking her personality, probably was from the stress of it all : /
The theme throughout this video is that people need to get their priorities straight and put their energy into something that’s actually worth it
I miss Tati, I was just thinking any her the other day, wondering what her opinion would be on Rare beauty. Watching her videos every night at the end of the day was my distraction. I was watching her since 2014. It sucks how the most problematic people in the situation seem unfazed but she's looked at as the villian. I hope she's doing well and comes back whenever she's ready.
i mean say what you will but she made choices and she did become a villain when she decided to cancel james and was aware he might kill himself
@@sofifi03 but you don't just stop going to work when you have a fuck up in your publicised private life. She could still upload videos without comments active, like family channels, so there is no community interaction for her to deal with.
I got my Oden's Eye eyeshadows in the mail this week. They are FLAWLESS. The quality is honestly unmatched! Super grateful you shared the brand on your second channel. It changed my makeup game!!
Tati’s palette is still the best palette i own, i need her to come back and make more!
pls i miss her too
Salama yeah I miss her too. I used to watch her videos when she was doing 5 videos a week.
When she takes accountability I'll start to support her
Same, my week hasn’t been the same without her content ☹️
With my Mind And My Imagination she did take accountability in her video, and james has forgiven her so what else should she do?
Eugenia Cooney has some pretty dark Drama going on too, would really like to hear your opinion on that, it's very problematic.
Gita x What’s happening?
No one really talked about it because she is "untouchable", people get really sensitive when she is concerned.
@@vi9486 says satan-
@@MorganMairi Repzilla did a couple of videos about it too
The “drama” isn’t about Eugenia and her weight, like usual, it’s actually about her discord server.
If y’all live in the states, GO VOTE
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I live in the UK but I’m still voting so 👌🏻
I don’t mean to be dramatic but American politics also influence politics in Europe A LOT.
Trump out of the House would be a devastating blow to all Sovranists and populists in the west.
VOTE HIM OUT.
Im not american but yesss vote people!
Chris Paez couldnt have said it better
I really don't understand why Tati who has never been problematic in the past got completely cancelled whilst someone such as jeffree star gets away with everything, it isn't fair, I really miss Tati
^Hey, I’m assuming from your name and picture that you are a man, and it makes me happy to see men acknowledge misogyny. Thank you for being you. ❤️
because she cant take responsibility eventhough she made the video and shes almost 40 years old
James Keeling shes blaming shane and jeffree EVENTHOUGH she made the video and made this mess. she didnt care about james or she would never have made that video. she made the video over some fucking vitamins instead of anseering james calls. she was a 37 year old woman going after a teenager, she should take responsibility instead of shifting blame. it isnt about sexism its about the fact that shes delusional. (ps i dont like shane and jeffree theyre shitebags just like tati)
James Keeling her video almost drove james to kill himself idgaf about her feelings.
@@madriddys8725 first of all, it ain't your apology to accept. James already forgave her who was one of the victim's in all of this. So you have no right to be salty while the person who this was meant for accepted her apology. Second, people think the vitamins was the only think but it wasn't. The vitamins were the LAST draw for her. She had so much sadness built in her because she would always support all her UA-cam friends n nobody would suport her back. She also did so much for James, like get him collabs n sponsors and he never "repaid" her back. The vitamin situation made her explode which I dont blame her. James told tati he would NEVER support those vitamins but he did. He also lied to his fans saying these r the best vitamins and they help with anxiety but he only took the vitamins for one day. Nevertheless, they are both in good terms now. Move on just like they have.
I think the reason why the “innocent” people get bullied of the platform quicker is mostly because they have a heart. Like the musician, he knew he didn’t do anything wrong and still got bullied. That takes a hard toll on you. Or Tati, she must feel so much guilt and having people bully her about it definetly doesn’t make it easier. Or Jenna Marbles, she never did anything wrong. Yet, she felt super responsible about tanning (? Idk I didn’t really understand the whole drama there), she felt guilty and the harassement made it worse. On the flip side, Jeffree Star doesn’t care what people say about him. He brushes it off and makes snarky comments, shows no remorce. And because he doesn’t seem to be affected it kind of manipulates people into thinking nothing bad is going on and therefore don’t think there’s any reason to not support him.
Jelke Lenaerts Jenna did make some insensitive parodies/highlighted insensitive stereotypes, but she apologized and promised to change - which she did, and has since then been unproblematic. I absolutely adore Jenna and I miss her, but I don’t want to pretend she didn’t do anything wrong, but at the same time she never meant to hurt anyone and changed when people expressed how it hurt them, and I think that’s the best thing you can do in that situation. It sucks how the shitty people get off Scott free, and the ones who actually try to better themselves gets shat on repeatedly. It makes me so upset honestly
Jenna's situation wasn't just about the unintentional blackface, but also s*utshaming women and making a r*cist "joke" about an Asian man in a song. I know she said she did not intend to do blackface, she just had a really ridiculous tan, but you can't really choose how other people perceive that. Considering Shane Dawson explicit blackface "comedy" was doing so well back then, I don't think it's ridiculous that people might see that and think she hopped on the trend too.
@@Soapynah I didn’t really know about the full situation. I just saw pictures of her going around with a regular tan and people calling it blackface.
Jelke Lenaerts ah i see! She did a few other things in a similar vein, but again - she apologized and changed her behavior. This summer wasn’t the first time she has addressed the things she did in the past, things just resurface again and again, so she has been apologizing for the same things for years, which sucks. I don’t know what else people want from her at this point, cause she has educated herself and changed, and yet people come for her anyway.
If you thing Tati is innocent you’re delusional lol
Women are usally subjected to a higher standard. In the case of tati social have completly bashed her. Her past is no where near as problematic as the other parties involved including James and by contrast ppl would constantly praise jefree star for telling it as it is. Apologies and holding yourself accountable is extremely important but a woman you are always hold to a higher standard. I really appreciate the fact that Angelika never bashed her bc she is now sadly being held to same standards
@@EverythingInLife95 so it's ok to bully her and drive her to suicide?
@@EverythingInLife95 uhmm... Why does she need to apologize to you? She did to James and they are fine...
@@EverythingInLife95 and if you did have the patience to read everything, thank you!
Molly Burke CONSTANTLY gets comments about her FAKING her blindness.
Because she can use a phone. Because she knows where her camera is etc is such nonsense.
People who accuse someone of faking a disability usually have never actually met someone with that disability.
it’s. not fair that Angelika looks good both flipped and unflipped 😭
I don’t even know who Mac is but I really want to talk about Art etc with him. Sucks he got kind of put down and left
He has his own channel which shows his art, his notebook "Mind" which is an eco-friendly note pad. His channel name is just his first name Maclin. He has 13.4k subs. Hope that helps you find him. He is a really interesting person!
Respect people’s options as long as they don’t disrespect someone’s existence
Non problematic opinion: the color orange is ugly
Problematic and unethical opinion: rac*sm is okay.
People need to learn the difference.
I agree, the colour orange IS ugly
Trash Human same. I literally hate orange so much.
Sara Angel orange is my favorite color 😩 especially lighter oranges
Unfortunately it's not two categories of opinions, it's more of a gradient... some opinions are somewhere in the middle. but I totally agree, orange is ugly
Orange IS objectively the worst color
Tati was, and is, one of the best youtubers out here. No one does beauty like her. No one has her charm. I always felt safe and happy watching her videos. How her eyes lit up when she played with makeup... I miss her. I really, really miss her. And i hope she comes back soon.
oscar - Me too. I of course am critical and disappointed in her for not taking accountability, but she always felt like I was just chatting with a cool aunt about makeup. It wasn’t as strict as someone like Nikkie or James and her makeup style is more relatable.
I agree! Her reviews are everything to me, I always made sure I knew what Tati’s opinion was on something. 80% of my makeup collection is based on what Tati recommends, and I’m never almost never disappointed about the products. I miss her, I hope she’s doing well.
I agree. Tati will always have a special place in my heart. I got back into make up because of Tati and she was the first youtuber I subscribed to. However I have to admit since bye sister Iv felt a bit off when watching her. I miss her and her videos.
@@camillefaith2005 Totally! Her videos were like a meet up with some friends to talk about things we're passionate about!
@@ffsake1361 I felt weird in the sense that i felt her vibe kinda off. I felt like, even tho at the time i liked J, it wasn't a good move for her. However, i think, out of the four of them, she's the most genuine and has the best intentions. (in my opinion/perception)
I hope she comes back soon
As a Bangladeshi, the labour thing is completely true- and it isn't just Kylie, it's a LOT of major fast fashion brands as well. The root of the problem is that the people who work in these factories have been forced to believe that those are good and sustainable working conditions.
I really want Tati back, she just had this love for makeup that no one else had.
I totally agree.
wow youtube actually remembered to inform me about this update, yay
Not to me I had to search It.
Marina Gonzalez Same
Ikr I was shocked
What update srry I'm lost.
@@anisahassan4997 the notification for this video being posted.
anyways pink is the best colour and i don't take criticism
What pink? Red pink or purple pink? If you say purple pink you are done for, you are *CANCELLED*
bahh i personally like blue (all shades), green (all shades), yellow (all shades), purple + blue, green + blue and soft pink.
um clearly orange is the best. and because we all disagree you all now my mortal enemies and i hate you. because i don't like you all your opinions are wrong and i refuse to listen or agree with anything you say #CANCELLED
comet honestly same except for the yellow, pastel pink and pastel blue is the best combination tho
How dare you not believe in purple supremacy
tuning in to angelika news
Jeffree had to get a $350,000 -$1 million loan for his company and yet somehow found the money to just give out to people?
What when ?
@@FelicityFeliRose "had to" was a poor choice of words on my part. His company applied for a small business loan meant for actual small business to stay open during the pandemic, and they were given hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's interesting that his multi-million dollar company needs that money meanwhile Jeffree is handing out money on twitter.
Felicity Duggan He applied for the small business relief fund, and was rewarded a significant amount of money. Which obviously pissed off a lot of people, because in what was world is his company a small business? That money should have been given to smaller businesses, money could have helped out a lot more small businesses survive and not go out of businesses. It wasn’t just the Clownfish either, some larger corporations also had these relief funds rewarded to them.
Also apparently he bought another hypercar, A bugatti Chiron that costs upwards of 3M$. His neighbor Alejandro (ig: salomondrin) posted it and tagged him and his boyfriend (amarxii or something) posted it as well.
I really hope Tati comes back. She's my absolute favorite and it's been so weird not having her around. I get why people would want to still be mad but at the same time, IF JAMES FORGAVE HER, THEN YOU SHOULD TOO. This is a great example of women in this industry getting a much harder time than the men who do much worse.
true
This!!! James, the guy who was affected by the video, forgave her! It’s everyone’s choice to keep supporting her, but there’s no need to hate on her! I’m hoping she comes back, she’s one of my favorites!
I also really hate how people are so vile to her PERSONALLY, instead of simply being upset about her mistake. They comment on her age, looks, body, fertility issues, marriage, and it’s not okay. no one deserves that.
It's not their apology to forgive, it's for James. If he forgives her, then that's it. It's now water under the bridge, let it go.
Tati is only getting so much hate because she’s a woman if Shane or jefree were women their careers would’ve died years ago
Agreed. Tati is the least problematic person involved in Dramageddon. She did a lot of bad things during that but so did Jeffree and Shane, and they also have a long history of doing bad shit, whereas Tati does not.
Ain't this the truth like misogyny much
"Only"? Falsly accusing a teenager of being a predator in front of millions being aware he might commit suicide over it? Common sense is not that common these days.
@@maybug88 she was manipulated by Shane and Jeffree and as a survivor herself she felt she had a moral obligation what you are saying is valid yes but she is getting all the blame what it should be Jeffree and Shane
@@scrumptious_bussy1037 she was warned about Jeffree by the whole internet, but refused to listen, her problem. She is getting cancelled by her fans because her fans have some morals and a functioning brain, Jeffree's are, well, like Jeffree.
I miss Tati. I love her videos. I especially love how she actually knows all about the ingredients in makeup/skincare. She’s so pure.
for your channel anniversary next year you should buy a Cartier bracelet just to flex on us
nah instead she bought a whole tesla and flexed on us and i’m so here for it
I really want to see Tati come back on UA-cam I really miss her she was a really great content creator and she got canceled and bullied a lot of times because of one thing she did and as you said Jeffree Star is not affected by it ,people are still buying he's makeup and Shane dawson dropped new merch and probably going to come back on UA-cam and if she came back on UA-cam she probably will get so much hate. By the way I really like your videos you're an amazing drama Channel.
that "one thing" was litteral slander and accusations of predatory behaviour tho. she deserved the backlash BUT not cancelation. i agree that shane and jeffree deserved wayyy more backlash than she, but please do not minimize what she has done.
it was a lot more than just one little thing though
@@cursy_blot but how can't you forgive her if James Charles the one who got affected by it has forgiven her
@@saraelamine9525 i never said it was unforgivable, i asked you to not minimaze the awful thing she did.
don’t minimize what tati did. it was not “one little thing.” it was one very big thing that literally almost had a 19 year old kill himself.
I've been bullied off of social media.
The stress of wondering when I'm going to be attacked or confronted for NOTHING got so bad I would get physically ill anytime someone other than my best friends messaged me.
People are the worst.
top tiktokers: *racist, homophobic, sexist, asking minors for n00ds*
everyone: omg they apologised yall are haters 🙄 king your head up king 😌👑
taio cruz: *gave us dynamite and wants to vibe*
everyone: let’s bully this decent guy off the platform 🤪
"Social media is not good for anyone."
Speak on it, sis.
“My intention was to make some fun videos and interact with my fans” man...poor guy.
Okay i love Pewds and i still watch his content until this day, but i think a lot of the hate for Tati comes from his community. They weren't too in touch with the drama, they don't know what kind of people Jeremiah Starfish and Shame Doomster are, and Pewds having a strong negative feelings towards Tati probably skewed his community's perspective towards her. This isn't a so much of a stretch considering Pewds didn't know the consequence of bringing a well known right wing figure to his channel.
Idk about "not knowing" the consequences of courting the alt-right. Like I don't think he's actively hateful personally (hard to judge but I don't know his feelings) but I think he's fine with his audience being racist and sexist, he's fine with white supremacists being in his community, he's fine with taking their money. Like I remember the days where he would throw little 3sec clips of Hitler into like, his Bloodbourne playthroughs. As a "joke" but, idk, also to appeal to those who enjoy that being there. His whole "kill all jews" sign thing - why that particular phrase? Of all shocking things to say, why that one? He caters to his audience. He reviewed Jordan Peterson's book, who's deeply sexist and transphobic and alt-righty. So with Tati, I think he targeted her bc he knew his audience would love that. It's a decision he keeps making.
Oh yeah definitely. He literally said in his live stream where he watched her video that he hates Tati. Like that’s straight up bias but obviously his young fans don’t know that.
I feel so bad for Tati. I want her back.
pov: the video isn't over yet
Yeah I really don't know why it stopped I want to see more
the video being flipped still throws me off😭thought it was a whole new room
I was okay with it for the first 2 videos but now I want the normal room to be back 😅
omg, I am an idiot. I literally thought it was the other side of the same room, and was then like "I really wouldnt want to have to doors in my bedroom, because then 2 murderers can ambush you at the same time". I should really go to sleep.
Deefinitely agree on the Tati topic. she should just come back on youtube and never look back at the drama from the last year. I just want her to make palettes again becaused I missed the launch and I want her to make her content again. I really do miss her on the platform
Jeffrie starfish really said "that's enough activism for today"
I miss Tati so much, I’ve watched her videos for years and I hope she can come back to the beauty videos soon
I have been thinking about why people are still hating on Tati when James has forgiven her! I'm glad you pointed it out! It has been annoying me for a while
Even though there are plenty of valid reasons to dislike Kylie Jenner, I feel like there are also plenty of people that dislike her because “she’s so fake she has so much lip filler and plastic surgery” without ever knowing about the actually harmful things she does. Hating someone for stealing from black creators is completely valid, but hating her for using lip filler is just as superficial as people say she is
damn the last time I was this early, james charles and jeremiah starfish were making videos together
HAHA 🛑 STOP 🛑
Honestly you're right on the money on how average or not as problematic people getting punished harder than people who are blatantly terrible people The fact that people like Tati Westbrook, Gabbie Hanna, Olivia Jade, and Emma Chamberlain are dragged harder when they do problematic or shady things which honestly are so little compared to things Shane, Jeffree Star, and Jake Paul have done like I'm not saying Tati, Gabbie, Olivia, and Emma are perfect they've all done things that weren't the best but it seems they are punished or dragged for their mistakes that are so minimal compared to the stuff these male influencers do like extreme racism, sexism, misogyny, homophobia, bullying, and even being predators make it make sense
Kristina Koren Tati at least sincerely apologized and took accountability and was the only of the three to do so Shane threw a tantrum on Instagram live and Jeffree is a sociopath and doesn’t care who he hurts once Tati saw the impacts after the video was posted she immediately realized the video took things too far.
Kristina Koren She apologized to James in private and he forgave her so clearly it was way more sincere in person and clearly he believed her because they compared receipts the in person apology is more important than the public apology
Kristina Koren I don’t think she went into with the intent to ruin his life at all she had some hurt feelings and I think she was pushed and encouraged to make this videos I think she meant to make this video as some sort of intervention but things didn’t go like she planned Tati just isn’t that calculating or malicious of a person this girl went 10 years on the internet without a single scandal or fued online
@@EverythingInLife95 Tati never accused him of being a sexual predator tho Jeffree did all she said was James acted inappropriately at her party but that's it Jeffree was the one who said he's a danger to society and flaunted this "secret" voice memo of one of his victims
Kristina Koren No it’s not Jeffree was the one who made it sound like James was a full blown predator who s*xually assaulted someone and said he was a danger to society Tati wasn’t the one who said that she NEVER called him a predator she just said his behavior was inappropriate also why are you still on this James forgave her because he thought her apology was sincere and clearly she’s telling the truth about Jeffree and Shane manipulating her since they compared receipts
yess sis this video was so well put. I way the way you transitioned into the whole you apparently not apologising thing x
Angelika: " I always try to make everyone happy"
Us: *where is the bookshelf tour*
Tati said that she was scared to live in her LA home because she’s worried Jeffree could hire a hit out on her, didnt she? If I’m wrong please let me know (kindly, I’m fragile🥺) but I thought that was a big reason to why she left that house.
And I agree, I really wish she could come back to UA-cam and all social media platforms because she most likely really regrets what she did. I miss her a lot actually because she was so genuine.
Raya X I have a vague memory of her saying in her last video that she’d moved again to be safe, and dint want to say where. So she may not even be in Seattle. I could be misremembering, though.
these influencers are paying angelika's bills 🤑
girl u already know i dropped everything to watch this 😌😌
“If that bothers then...I don’t know what to tell you” 😂😂 best intro to a video Angelika lol
I couldn’t agree more with what you said about Tati. It’s so sad to see her online presence fade away, she was someone I always loved to watch and I found her videos relaxing. I’d love to see her come back. I think because she has always been so unproblematic people are extra bit picky with her and expect an unattainable standard of behaviour, past human error. Shane and J*, on the other hand, have always been horrible in one way or another, so their fans don’t hold them to any rigid standards. Plus they’re white men 🙃. I know Tati’s mistake was huge, but like you said, James has forgiven her, so no one has an obligation to be hurt on his behalf when he isn’t hurting.
I really miss Tati :< I hope she'll be back soon, and I hope her brand will still grow ands create more stunning products like her wonderful eyeshadow palette.
I love this video and your other ones, its like I get to talk with a friend about all these social media issues 🥰
Tati took the biggest hit bc she’s a women. All the men in that situation came out on top.
I agree so much with what you said about Tati. My heart hurts for her. One mistake and people write you off. I refuse to do that.
I think what Tati did was terrible, but I also think it's time to stop making her the main villain of this never-ending story. Jeffree tried to make everyone believe James was an awful human being. Him and Shane manipulated a SA victim into calling out an abu$er (We don't know what he told Tati. It may be way worse than we believe and it's obvious she is very sensitive to the topic).
Tati personally and publicly apologized to James. We know that James forgave her for the video she released. Maybe if people want to spend their energy talking about this drama they should be focusing on Shane and Jeffree getting away with destroying a teenager's life to sell palettes.
Bring back queen Tati we miss you 😫😭
Honestly I really miss Tati
Unrelated to the drama- I love that you link all the makeup products you use in the description and your makeup is always gorgeous
Seriously, one mistake and everyone’s over with Tati and everyone’s still supporting Shane and J* ?????? Huh ???
I love your UA-cam channel and ur videos like u explain things in a way that isn’t dramatic and you have a good sense of right or wrong instead of just cancelling ppl 🥺also ur super prettyyy
The title made me think of the "why are you running" meme and I can't get the image out of my head
Pffffff hahahahahah
Omg your eyeshadow in this video in STUNNING!!! 😍😍
This is why I love her. She acknowledges that people have opinions and respects that. I love people who are like that.
love u Angelika thank you for letting ppl educate u
when you started talking about everyone bullying tati whew you took the thoughts right out of my head
thank you angelika, every time you upload it makes me happy :)
please start a podcast i literally love falling a sleeping listing to you
and she will get double views because when i wake up the next morning i watch the video again haha
Reegan Mervitz make it triple cause I’ll listen to it again while waiting for a next episode
Cheryl Ngow hehehe MEE TOO
I thought I was the only one😂😂
Same!
The chill of these videos is great
Me with my naturally very tight curls COULD NEVER. When my hair's drying I look sheepish and occasionally like dumbledore cause Australia has 4 seasons in 1 day.
Same! And the end result is always more or less Hagrid
i saw the comments in a previous video asking you to show tweets etc. while you are reading them and just noticed you did! 🙏🏼
Just feel so shitty with thinking the next generation is better and there are sometimes, there more accepting and can care more about mental health and awareness. But then we have stuff like this, with literally contradicts the mental health thing i just mentioned. Where it’s just some huge popularity contest and who’s side we’re picking this week
I had no issues with this video! great job Angelika, I really like your channels! keep up the good work girl
even though i completely acknowledge Tati's wrongdoings and huge mistake she made, i genuinely miss her. she was THE youtuber that got me into makeup, her honest reviews, everything. i truly feel for her.
This is an amazing video Angelika like omg its rlly good
Okay Angelika, agree with everything you said, but when it comes to Alex Warren, I have to respectfully disagree. Dobrik found a niche, created something special, curated specifically to his channel (the video length, the humor, the quick jumps to action, the LAUGHTER, etc.), and Warren, who previously did not laugh or behave as he does now, copied this in every way. I dont watch Dobrik or Warren, Ive seen commentary channels talk about it, and its just not okay. You didnt change your personality, style, voice or laughter to sound more like Spill Sesh or Phillip DeFranco. You are just doing the same type of content. Its not the same.
THAT SAID: No one EVER should send anyone ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS the way people did to him. Criticism is one thing, but some people take it to the next level.
Absolutely love how much support you are receiving from the community, you deserve it Angelika! ❤️
2 things:
1. this was honestly just really deep and had a lot of good lessons to take to heart
2. why are people literally the absolute worst
I needed this SO badly?! Hello!
I kinda feel bad for Tati. I really did think her content was pretty good and her character (in her normal videos) seemed good.
It’s nice that Angelika addressed the Kylie thing.
I watch your videos a lot and have never left a comment before. Considering I've been enjoying your content for some time now, I'd like to voice that. You seem extremely unproblematic and lovely. I really enjoyed how you broke down the "problematic opinions" idea into something as simple as colors to make it easy to follow.
Thank you for you content.
How to make your viewers happy? Drop that gel nail tutorial, please? I love both your channels, feeds my need for drama and makeup
I’m so excitedddddd these videos make me so happy! Also EEL WE LOVE EEL 💕😭
last time i was this early shawn drawson actually had fans😳
Oh, he still does have fans. Came across some on twitter, they just hold onto the 'poor Shane, he's had such a tough time's excuse
shame dollarstore? who’s that??
FluffyLlama i- we have all had “tough times” but we arent crappy people who say/do creepy things to children and animals and others. but i mean “tough times” am i right
@@haleyk.2282 Jep, sadly his fans don't realise that
taking an example from you regarding being vocal about positive opinions:
i love your channel because you have an opinion but also leave room for others. thank you for that. i appreciate it very much.
regarding the tati situation, I don’t know how I necessarily feel about you pointing out tati only made “one mistake.” While I do agree she shouldn’t have received more consequences than shane and jeffree and shouldn’t have been bullied, what she did to james was not a mistake. James, who was 19, almost killed himself. He lost so many things because of that situation and his reputation was tarnished. Tati didn’t directly call him a predator but she did start the narrative and did further push a bad image of gay men. She made a choice, regardless of manipulation, it was a CHOICE. not a mistake. mistakes are dropping your drink or accidentally stepping on something, not accusing a 19 year old of predatory behavior.
yes the manipulation is a big factor, but at the end of the day, it was still her decision.
Honestly, this was your most wholesome video yet, I really enjoyed it Also, not to mention "I have absolutely no problem with this video" ❤
I had no issues with this video !
I’m so glad you added Jessica’s video, she’s a great youtuber! I love her & her content, ppl should definitely go watch her :)
OMG MY NOTIFICATIONS WHERE ACTUALLY ON TIME FOR ONCE
I just agree with you so much lol its so refreshing to be able to come to a channel and know your watching someone that's not bias and has a head on their shoulders! And your gorgeous 😍 I'm living for your second channel too!
Xoxo