FridayNightFilmsCA Correct, that plant they visited in Anniston, AL was formerly the home of NABI, until New Flyer acquired it in 2013; they also have plants in St. Cloud and Crookston, MN
New Flyer makes some of the most solid buses on the road. Edmonton's entire transit fleet are New Flyer's with the exception of the pure electric buses from another manufacturer.
I'm currently waiting to do the knowledge test for an electrical tech position there. It's taking forever but anything that's good can't be had overnight.
Motorweek with buses? Was hoping to see John put the bus through the quarter mile,stomp on brakes for distance and of course the pylon course,and he forgot to mention the price? lol:-}
I’d LOVE to try that simulator out. Most of my days are spent behind the wheel of 40-ft. CNG-powered New Flyers. I want to see how different the driving dynamics are with the electric powertrain.
Electric buses might entice kids to be bus drivers. But really electric buses are perfect for certain areas like extremely congested cities and places with high fuel costs
Why would a kid want to drive a bus or a truck that sounds exactly like a Power Wheels toy? And as far as emissions and fuel costs, don't forget that electricity has to come from *_somewhere._* (Hint: it won't be wind, solar, or hydroelectric).
@@ashton9699 'Cause apparently, every kid looks forward to driving a Power Wheels as an *_adult_* instead of the real thing. 🤦♂ My God, are people really this stupid nowadays?
@@guildrich Actually, most of it is already coming from all forms of renewables on a large scale. It may be in the minority but it keeps gowning all the time. Battery farms and pumped hydro batteries make it extremely reliable. In my province, over 60% of our power is from renewables (includes hydro). Maybe if you live in Florida and other sunbelt states you will have a combination of nuclear, gas and coal. Also loud engine noise can make people who work around them daily feel tired at the end of the day. Ever heard of sound induced fatigue.
Depends where the electricity comes from. Hydrogen fuel cells and electricity from renewable resources such as solar and wind power can truly be zero emissions.
Why Edmonton bought Proterra?? New Flyers Xcelsior is on the fleet already! What New Flyer think of it? I preferred Xcelsior! Proterra not even close to it!
Sad to see that there weren't any LA Metro New Flyers in this video 😕. I remember when they experimented with BYD electric buses as a pilot before buying them. Out of many bus manufacturers that have existed pretty surprising that New Flyer is seemingly the longest running so far.
On one hand, they were mainly focusing on the electric models; but they did show some non-electrics in production, and I’d imagine that Metro’s new XN60s were probably in production around the time this was filmed. I’m super jealous of Metro’s 60-foot New Flyers. I work for Foothill, and we have a whole bunch of the XN40s like Metro’s, but our 60-footers are NABIs. Metro has a bunch of those too. Our current electric buses are Proterras and, from what I’ve heard, we’re not getting any more of them. I really hope we get some electric New Flyers.
Andrew Walker Let us know if they do get New Flyer electric buses; my home agency, OCTA already has 10 hydrogen buses and will also be getting 10 electric buses
Yes lets all follow California's lead in policy. Clearly they make the best decisions 😆. Electric vehicles will be so great during a natural disaster when the grid goes down. I'll stick with my diesel truck thanks. Cargo ships pollute far more than personal vehicles but nobody talks about building cleaner ships
LOL, you the type of guy that when smart phones were first starting to come out yelled that they would be the worst and would stick with your rotary phone. Adapt or die pal. Also they are talking about making cargo ships cleaner, sail is coming back, no joke look it up. Thanks Cali for leading the charge, someone has to.
New flyer should offer a trolley bus as several city's operate what's known as trackless trolleys. San Francisco, Boston operates trackless in Cambridge, mass in a tunnel with a left hand door. Philadelphia operates a big system still and Dayton, Ohio runs a large system.
Hydrogen is a costly fuel source due to it's inefficiency in production, energy requirement during storage and inefficiency during energy extraction. This makes it in the long term less economic for vehicles which drive alot while still having the choise to go battery electric. Look up "The truth about hydrogen" from the youtube channel "real engineering". He explains it in more detail.
It's rather interesting how public transit authorities banned "hoverboards" due to their battery packs catching fire and exploding, yet these buses are going to be powered by those same LI-ion batteries in modules that are many times BIGGER than the ones on said "hoverboards". Oh, the irony...
I'm a diehard Nova fan but I'm disappointed that their electric bus is only offered as a 40-footer. New Flyer owns the market for 60-foot electric buses.
The transit company I work for has a fully electric one. It cost a million bucks and it's been in service maybe 5 times in 2 years. The other 99% of the time it's broken.
For over 100 years, people have tried creating battery electric vehicles...and FAILED every single time. Why? Because no matter how advanced the batteries are, their energy density cannot match fossil fuels, they take WAY too long to charge, they wear out over time, they don't work well in extreme temperatures, AND...they like to spontaneously combust (especially LI-ion batteries). But hey, at least there's no exhaust pipe, right? 😅
I see a New York city MTA bus getting built in the facility
Ahhh New Flyer is Canadian
FridayNightFilmsCA Correct, that plant they visited in Anniston, AL was formerly the home of NABI, until New Flyer acquired it in 2013; they also have plants in St. Cloud and Crookston, MN
He mention NFI is America’s largest bus manufacturer but the company’s HQ is in Winnipeg
Gillig is the largest manufacturer based in the US.
Nabi was better
@ 4:41 Are those Dodge charger headlights on a bus? I swear those look like the 2006-2010 model Charger headlights.
Good eye
Lol
Yeah, those are the old Proterra EcoRides. My company has a few of them (albeit at the other yard), and it always cracks me up to see those lights.
Yes same like what was that
That's a proterra? It looked like an ElDorado at first.
New Flyer makes some of the most solid buses on the road. Edmonton's entire transit fleet are New Flyer's with the exception of the pure electric buses from another manufacturer.
I'm currently waiting to do the knowledge test for an electrical tech position there. It's taking forever but anything that's good can't be had overnight.
Motorweek with buses? Was hoping to see John put the bus through the quarter mile,stomp on brakes for distance and of course the pylon course,and he forgot to mention the price? lol:-}
LOL "We managed to the slalom test with one of New Flyer's new electric buses."
My city purchased an order for four with option for more orders,as I am a bus driver perhaps I will get to put it through its paces.
I’d LOVE to try that simulator out. Most of my days are spent behind the wheel of 40-ft. CNG-powered New Flyers. I want to see how different the driving dynamics are with the electric powertrain.
As a mechanic these busses have a lot of issues
While I do like the Xcelsiors, I personally don’t like the Electric units.
You can’t beat the Cummins diesel buses. New Flyer is head quartered in Canada
Electric buses might entice kids to be bus drivers. But really electric buses are perfect for certain areas like extremely congested cities and places with high fuel costs
Why would a kid want to drive a bus or a truck that sounds exactly like a Power Wheels toy? And as far as emissions and fuel costs, don't forget that electricity has to come from *_somewhere._* (Hint: it won't be wind, solar, or hydroelectric).
@@guildrich Why would a kid want to drive a Power Wheels toy that sounds exactly like a Power Wheels toy? What a pointless comment.
@@ashton9699 'Cause apparently, every kid looks forward to driving a Power Wheels as an *_adult_* instead of the real thing. 🤦♂ My God, are people really this stupid nowadays?
@@guildrich Actually, most of it is already coming from all forms of renewables on a large scale. It may be in the minority but it keeps gowning all the time. Battery farms and pumped hydro batteries make it extremely reliable. In my province, over 60% of our power is from renewables (includes hydro). Maybe if you live in Florida and other sunbelt states you will have a combination of nuclear, gas and coal. Also loud engine noise can make people who work around them daily feel tired at the end of the day. Ever heard of sound induced fatigue.
New Flyer Articulateds !
This video has a lot of B-roll of Proterra buses for a video about New Flyer buses...
With a Gillig or two in there too
Here in Miami we got the Natural Gas one and Hybrid ones
You meaning 300 Xcelsior XN40 CNGs, 21 XDE60s and 25 DE62LFAs Articulated buses in Miami Dade County
@@transitfan2000 Yes
nothing is zero emissions
Depends where the electricity comes from. Hydrogen fuel cells and electricity from renewable resources such as solar and wind power can truly be zero emissions.
At least there are no emissions from the vehicles themselves
Motorweek please do a review on the Gillig plant and a review on there new electric bus powered by Cummins electric motor.
Nova too!
Zazur new flyer flying high with electric Xcelsior XE40
COVid caused me to watch this video in 2020 2021 and early 2022
Why Edmonton bought Proterra?? New Flyers Xcelsior is on the fleet already! What New Flyer think of it? I preferred Xcelsior! Proterra not even close to it!
Why? Have you tried Proterra?
@@nancysmith9189They are so noisy and I can imagine New Flyer’s version is noisy.
Hopefully the electricity and hydrogen isn´t produced with energy from a choal plant :)
Coal doesn't even dominate energy production anymore. It's all switching over to natural gas.
Still a fossil fuel but definitely more efficient. Hopefully it will make a good gateway to renewable sources.
@@tkefan29 yes it only lessens the c02 output with half, considering the production its still huge amounts of co2. Should go nuclear instead.
Or better yet, solar or wind as they're more efficient than nuclear.
@@tkefan29 After watching Michael Moores Planet of the humans, Im not so sure. I recommend it.
I drive these. Lots of issues. Give me a diesel engine any day.
Here in Seattle, we have electric trolleys (that look like buses) and hybrid buses
San Francisco has them too
'Busses'?
Sad to see that there weren't any LA Metro New Flyers in this video 😕. I remember when they experimented with BYD electric buses as a pilot before buying them. Out of many bus manufacturers that have existed pretty surprising that New Flyer is seemingly the longest running so far.
On one hand, they were mainly focusing on the electric models; but they did show some non-electrics in production, and I’d imagine that Metro’s new XN60s were probably in production around the time this was filmed. I’m super jealous of Metro’s 60-foot New Flyers. I work for Foothill, and we have a whole bunch of the XN40s like Metro’s, but our 60-footers are NABIs. Metro has a bunch of those too.
Our current electric buses are Proterras and, from what I’ve heard, we’re not getting any more of them. I really hope we get some electric New Flyers.
Andrew Walker Let us know if they do get New Flyer electric buses; my home agency, OCTA already has 10 hydrogen buses and will also be getting 10 electric buses
Yes lets all follow California's lead in policy. Clearly they make the best decisions 😆. Electric vehicles will be so great during a natural disaster when the grid goes down. I'll stick with my diesel truck thanks. Cargo ships pollute far more than personal vehicles but nobody talks about building cleaner ships
LOL, you the type of guy that when smart phones were first starting to come out yelled that they would be the worst and would stick with your rotary phone. Adapt or die pal. Also they are talking about making cargo ships cleaner, sail is coming back, no joke look it up. Thanks Cali for leading the charge, someone has to.
@@ashleyhansen6150 Hopefully moving out of this shithole so I can live my life dream and own a C5 Corvette without fear of electric regulations...
FINALLY! Another human being with a functioning brain! 😃
The electricity still comes from fossil fuel.
Look up the "well to wheel efficiency" of BEV's compared to ICEV's. Regardless of which fuel source is used, BEV's are always more efficient.
Well electricity can be sourced from renewable sources like wind and solar.
That weird palm tree behind him freaking me out
This is the future welcome to the 2020s jajaj
Electric vehicles are not "green."
why?
@@nishiljaiswal2216After the batteries are at the end of their life, you have to discard them. And that’s just as bad as emissions.
New flyer should offer a trolley bus as several city's operate what's known as trackless trolleys. San Francisco, Boston operates trackless in Cambridge, mass in a tunnel with a left hand door. Philadelphia operates a big system still and Dayton, Ohio runs a large system.
They do. There currently used in Vancouver Canada, San Francisco, Dayton, Seattle and Philadelphia.
Dayton's trolleybuses are actually Gilligs that were modified by another company to run on overhead lines.
@@tkefan29 Daytons trolleys are 41ft GILLIG BRTPlus bodies with Kiepe controls. The same company New Flyer uses for their XT40 & XT60 no difference.
San Francisco has the largest fleet and system of trolleybuses of any transit agency in the U.S. and Canada
hm common TESLA MAKE BUSES...FOR 1000KM
When did Tesla make buses?
they didn't
Why not hydrogen?
Hydrogen is a costly fuel source due to it's inefficiency in production, energy requirement during storage and inefficiency during energy extraction. This makes it in the long term less economic for vehicles which drive alot while still having the choise to go battery electric. Look up "The truth about hydrogen" from the youtube channel "real engineering". He explains it in more detail.
It's rather interesting how public transit authorities banned "hoverboards" due to their battery packs catching fire and exploding, yet these buses are going to be powered by those same LI-ion batteries in modules that are many times BIGGER than the ones on said "hoverboards". Oh, the irony...
Gilligis the largest bus manufacturer
In the U.S. but not the whole continent of North America
Novabus LFS is better
Nope, Orion 7 beats all, too bad they are out of business RIP 2001-2013
Now Orion is part of New Flyer
I'm a diehard Nova fan but I'm disappointed that their electric bus is only offered as a 40-footer. New Flyer owns the market for 60-foot electric buses.
Orions were great too, sad the company doesn't exist anymore.
The transit company I work for has a fully electric one. It cost a million bucks and it's been in service maybe 5 times in 2 years. The other 99% of the time it's broken.
For over 100 years, people have tried creating battery electric vehicles...and FAILED every single time. Why? Because no matter how advanced the batteries are, their energy density cannot match fossil fuels, they take WAY too long to charge, they wear out over time, they don't work well in extreme temperatures, AND...they like to spontaneously combust (especially LI-ion batteries). But hey, at least there's no exhaust pipe, right? 😅