Why The US Trails China In Electric Buses
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2019
- China is leading the world in electric vehicle adoption, with almost all city buses run on electric batteries. The U.S. has been slow to catch on, with only 300 electric buses delivered last year compared to China’s 78,000. That’s all starting to change, with some cities and companies leading the charge.
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Why The US Trails China In Electric Buses
I'm living in Shenzhen where Huawei and BYD are headquarterd. All buses and taxis in this city are electric made by BYD.
Trump is going after BYD in America to block them from government sales.
I see some of them in Singapore.
As "testing units" though (i.e: Research and development)
3089280288 Doesn’t China do the same thing?
Don't let Trump know this.
I am living in Guangzhou. These buses are everywhere in China now. We had almost completely replaced all buses to the electric version especially in big cities.
Megi Z right. Thanks for pointing out. Didn’t check before posting it
I lived in Xiamen during my study abroad and was fascinated how clever electric busses have been integrated in China. Not only just the mere use of electric busses in the first place but also by making the charging stations on the otherwise wasted space underneath overpasses across the city instead of wasting valuable terrain for new parking lots on the outskirts of the city. Very clever stuff indeed!
@@katerytsa eh with all strike from the jeepney drivers and the piston group?
@@katerytsa the government should employ all those drivers to driver the newly built mini busses and jeepneys
@ting wang ,
Are you sure? The last time I visited Shanghai all buses were using diesel.
Two good things to have China on the earth -
1. Prove concepts for future
2. one that you can always blame on
haha
lmao
Spot on
3. the rest of the world condoned with US will believe it
China is a punching bag for all of us.
Air pollution? Blame China. Information espionage? It has to be related to China.
Short answer: The USA is trailing behind in almost everything today expect in obesity....
you know too much
And military budget.
excuse me, we are winning in covid
And in COVID cases
Cuz we still in denials. Americans still believe we are the best in the world.
In US school buses are some of the worst emissions polluters in the world!Not all of them.Many of them especially in the past!
@Douglas Faria Also, trigger asthma. Yes, there are cases of kids dying because of school bus fume asthma. These abominations are foul! I work as a school nurse, btw.
@@georgedang449 of course I agree they should be electric, but let's not forget that a lot of kids (especially low income kids) rely on these buses to get them to and from school. Not everyone's parents have the time to drive their kids to school every day!
I would never know it looking at school buses in Miami. Look fine to me
@Jake MacHine No nothing compared to the US.
Meanwhile, many chinese actually envy how safe and tank-like the US school buses are... "Our children would never die in an accident if they were in a bus like that..."
The best part I like about EV is their quietness, no more diesel engine noise in your ear.
I like the hypocrisy behind them...because the destruction of the earth through mining does way more damage than electric vehicles prevent. BTW...did I mention that I work in the nickel sulphide mining industry located in Thompson , Manitoba, Canada ? They drained a lake in Thompson to get at the nickel . They burn vast amounts of fossil fuels to mine the nickel. All so that people living in a world insulated from reality can maintain a fantasy.
@@markanthony3275 I highly doubt that " the destruction of the earth through mining does way more damage than electric vehicles prevent." You're right that increased mining for the components that make renewables possible is a real challenge in the electrify everything model, but "damaging the earth" through mining shouldn't result in many CO2e emissions moving forward, aside from some loss of carbon sequestering forests or peat lands. The machinery and earth movers involved in mining will be increasingly electrified...electrek.co/2018/08/30/volvo-new-electric-mining-vehicle-prototypes/
Perhaps you can soon advocate for these at your work site.
@@TDC_TheDocumentaryChannel Really? You know a lot about mining do you? It takes an average of ten years from the time a viable ore body is found to have a fully functioning mine. That's ten years of highway tractors hauling materials, equipment and fossil fuels to the mine site . A thousand trips or more each year for ten years, and every year the mine continues to function including it's decommissioning...in my case that's a 1400km round trip. How much fuel do you think that burns? As for electric mining equipment, that's gonna prove to be another environmental pipe dream, because they produce too much heat and the batteries last about half as long as a diesel powertrain. You're down 6000 feet below the surface of the earth...it's already 90 degrees Farenheit...and then you're gonna add the heat coming off of an electric scoop and an electric truck ?...not gonna happen. Then if you try remote operations from surface you lose the ability to detect when your vehicle runs over something that punctures a tire...so you keep on operating ...and puncture the other three...now , who's gonna go down there and drag the vehicle out and fix it...robots? Not only that...because electrification is not based on an economic fiscal model, but a political one...the cost of mining will go sky high and so will the cost of batteries...and so will the cost of E.V.'s. No...you haven't got a clue about what it takes to produce the material for batteries. And the other thing to realize is that there is not enough material in the world to produce 10% of the battery demand.
@@markanthony3275 Yes, mining might increase, indeed, but with fossil-based vehicles, doesn't mining still take place for components within those vehicles, such as the electronics, etc?
@@markanthony3275 You are 100% wrong. You make a battery and you can reuse all that material through recycling. Can you do the same with fossil fuel? No. You burn fossil fuel and release all of those poison to the atmosphere. Can never take them back. Not to mention the enormous amount of Cobolt that is used to refine fossil fuel, which can never be reused or recycled. So you are completely wrong.
Eventually the US will accuse Chinese buses as national security risk. They've already did it to CRRC, the Chinese train manufacturer that made metro trains for Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia and LA.
Right, security risk from China is an opinion (or guess), but PRISM is a fact.
It sure does because teaching the world not to pollution to use electric can cause the drop of the Petro $ for the ELITES.
Thanks for that the Middle East conflicts will continue due to oil.
All talk and American BS.
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In case you don't know ... Trump imposed trade tariffs on German made cars and French wine citing National Security Risk.
How are German cars and French wine a national security risk to America ... only God and he ( Trump ) know.
The world is still figuring it out.
@@ftd7435 the cars may transform into a giant robot and eat its owners.
“New York plans to take its fleet all-electric by 2040”... 20 years from now, not exactly ambitious
A step in the right direction nonetheless
Haha, very true.
When you consider that they have to get rid of existing busses, the plan is probably to replace them as they expire, rather than create massive waste in junking them.
...and they are full of liberals (democrats)
2040..... I wonder what the sea levels will be......
All the public buses and taxi cabs in Shenzhen, China are electric vehicles now. It is a city of 13 millions people!
IN the United States most cities that had electric grids for street cars and buses scrapped them by 1960. Those cities that had subways still do use electric trams.
Warren Puckett you are talking different thing, the bus you mentioned is powered by electric grid, it is only used in high speed train in China..., and for electric grid powered bus only ran in China long time ago also.（no battery, inefficient motor, no dynamic power recycling, fixed route and lanes, cut the wire all bus dead)
USA need 30 year to Debate first， if she will use Electric Buses LOL
Jenny Around Luck so as long as we get to renewable energy it’s ok to have our rights removed? You do know what’s going on in Hong Kong right?
Jenny Around Luck what?
2040 all elec buses in NY??? Some cities in China have achieved that goal many years ago.
Sorry, but no. Those are still expensive investments. Not a single city in China has made all bus electrical.
@@liangjiang3122 Shenzhen already achieved that, 100% electric buses. Check the fact.
2040 is a joke.
@@liangjiang3122 too naive
@@liangjiang3122 Electic bus price is about $300K, F-35 price is about $80M, just order order a F-35 less you will get 270 buses!!!
To save everyone from a 12 minute video. The answer is simple: lack of interest groups and lobbying.
Jabid21 ,Well Said
Jabid21 You forgot systemic corruption throughout government who are paid by lobbyists for fossil fuel industries who would lose significantly if electrification happens.
Wrong and lies. Neither of those exist here in the clean/renewable energy space (or in the traditional auto industry). Neither industry needs to lobby the government. The USA Government is actually far ahead of China in it's adoption of clean tech, clean renewable energy, reducing emissions, etc.; Especially in the legal framework. The difference is the Chinese lobbying/corruption and the Chinese Government subsidies and ownership in some of these companies.
So the real difference is that American companies are private and don't receive U.S. Government subsidies; Whereas Chinese companies do and the CCP/CPC has been funding or subsidizing these industries, because like every other industry, they want to take over the world market, and make China the leader in those industries.
So they copy tech/steal tech, process technology, manufacturing processes, etc. and then commercialize it in not only China (so the citizens have access to the same products which they can afford), - but also in the countries they stole it from (underselling and thus putting the companies who invented the products/technology originally, out of business or forcing them to also sell [in many cases] the Chinese copy products also.
And that has always been the plan of the CCP/CPC: To make American and Western nations non-competitive in the industries we pioneered and invented. This underselling (direct selling) of Western nations was only really made possible with the age of the Internet in a way in which Western companies have no legal recourse (to sue for patent infringement, injunctions, etc.)
No. Wrong. Electric buses are way more expanse and offers less range. If you need government to use force to achieve something(in this case, electric buses adoption), that means that it's not a good ideia. Just look at electricity market in the US, the shift from coal to natural gas is a market-based shift. Trump will not bring coal back because natural gas is way cheaper and gas turbines are way cleaner. That's a real move. It's not been made under gov duress.
@@Brandon_letsgo - Actually electric buses are both not as efficient, and far more efficient, but usually less polluting, although far more expensive. The technology (as with all electric vehicle technologies and electricity storage technologies) has promise. The real issue is this: As everything the world over becomes electric, how is the electricity that powers those vehicles generated?
Wind and Solar is a radical ignorant leftist hypocritical pseudo-environmentalist's pipe dream. But it is not feasible and is not the answer.
My research in late 2018/early 2019, showed that only 6% or less of total Global Energy production came from wind and solar, and less than 20% from so called Renewable Energy (such as Hydro Electric, and Geothermal, etc). There exists currently a clean coal technology America invented (which was killed by Obama before a single plant was ever built here) called "Super Ultracritical" coal fired power plants, and since we cannot build any here, we are exporting the technology. Almost 10 nations are building them, including India and China. Their emissions are 99% steam/water vapor and they have more than 50% operating efficiency (which may not seem that great, but when burning something to generate energy, it's good).
But the real answer (as you stated) in the next 50 or 60 years+ to our Clean Energy Dilemma, is Natural Gas, and Nuclear Power (and increased Hydroelectric and Geothermal when and where possible, - which is exceedingly rare). Those technologies, along with increasing but supplemental Wind and Solar, can actually work, to get us through to a point where Fusion will actually be viable, and to where the energy density generated by Solar (in particular), will be great enough to generate a large percentage of the world's energy needs. But until then, electric cars, and buses, are very expensive, very polluting to the environment, in terms of what is required to manufacture them and the batteries, and in most cases are powered by electricity generated from old inefficient coal fired power plants.
In Colombia, and Chile there are electric buses from China :)
In India as well
In Cuba, Kenya, Ghana, The Netherlands, Japan and too many other counties to name.
glad china is sharing its technology with the rest of the world to combat global warming
and japan
Are they breaking down every other day like so many Yahoo armchair "experts" are saying LOL?
The stench of the exhaust from diesel engines alone should be enough reason to switch.
From impossible smell to better-ish smell to
goodbye bad smell
I got car sickness specifically due to the smoke from diesel engine. Glad that they switched.
I still remember my first time riding an electric bus in the 2010 World Expo at Shanghai
The only thing happening in a faster pace in US is the money printing.
And the corona cases too
Tony Hou and the stock market
Very true
Don't forget about government shameless lies, BS and propaganda. They are doing very well
And yet you have to use whatever they print
In Mexico City we have electric buses from China , there very quiet en Bran new there awesome
@Ed L china wouldn't threat Mexico like USA do, so they buy chinese car just because they're good
@@qmiiy373 Then you mean China put threat on USA? The fact is US Navy air force send their aircraft almost every day off China's coast to reconnaissance or patrol, or deter, or doing war game, for almost 50 years and the destroyers intentionally sometimes dip in Chinese water within 12 miles off coast, but had you ever hear Chinese warships enter US water territory except visit San Diego or Honolulu?
@@baotutubenbenxiong wtf? When i said china threat USA??
Yes even in Singapore we have Chinese electric buses
Hmm we'll see
In my country, Panama there are a few of those BYD electric buses. Good move!
I live in Lancaster, the city where that factory is, and those buses are everywhere
Hi, I live in Panamá 🇵🇦 as well, How many eléctric buses have you seen aroud? I am surprised I did not know about that; but, I am glad this is a possible fact.!
@@obduliocerceno4984 Hay como 3 o 4 buses circulando en la capital.
En Ecuador también los están introduciendo, yo creo q es bueno .
@@adalbertotorrero5893 tan poquito?
It’s because the USA are more worried about spending money on the military
Yup, Merica exist for about 240 years and has been in war with the entire world for 232 years..
Why USA feel threatened all the time.
and its smart, military power is extremely important
Young stunt I agree with you bro they spend money to create war to other countries.
Military is important, without it your own country is shredded to pierces.
US is nowhere near in China when it comes to ebuses. Some buses in China are already autonomous, it can self charge, park and drive. Even Japan and European countries buys buses from China.
per pop. the China is ahead of the US by 26 times.
China : we got thousands of electric vehicles here.
US : *I LOVE OIL...*
Including Vaseline oil
as long a electric is clean all is good but china leading the way
@@grantboucher9342 China has about 10% of all coal in the world. It is not 100% clean.
I hope america going to live oil and stop making war
US is the biggest oil exporter....
Was in Guangzhou this summer. Two thirds of the buses I saw were electric. Guess the plan may be all electric for 2020?
2025
I have seen electric buses running in Guangzhou since 2011
@Howan Cheung but those rioters want "muh freedom"... I guess they should be fed with coal. :p
not all cities in China are in the same pace. there is local protectiveness existed.
Shenzhen is amazing. when I had a business trip there, i was shocked by the number of BYD electric taxis waiting at the airport. Moreover, the build-up quality seemed better than those on the streets of Shanghai
China has been using electric bus for many years ... Seen them at Shanghai over a decade ago.
B K Lau ikr
true, i've seen electric buses in guangzhou since 2011
@@leezhieng Many things in China 3xisted a while ago ... Just that they may not look pretty, as Chinese then we're more bothered with function than looks, as pretty cost more without serving much ... Another is they don't promote such things, as they are merely functional, nothing to should about.
SH is kinda lagged behind by other southern cities as SZ GZ.
Every single bus in Beijing, a city of 20 million people, is electric. Every single one.
Its very late for "first world country" USA to adapt all electric buses move, China has started it since 1 decade ago. The 4 first tier cities in China already have 95% all electric buses.
they get this energy from coal. China is building EVs to cut down their oil demand hence saving forex reserves secondly to capture the EV market around the globe by mastering the technology
To my understanding, it could have sth to do with the patrol-dollar system US has. Moving full on for Electric could undermine US global influence in terms of the patrol-dollar hegemony.
Nuclear power is not necessarily more environmentally friendly than coal. In fact it is very polluting and dangerous to life as nuclear waste produced are being dumped illegally around the world. Investing in clean renewable energy sources is the way to go. Kudos to China who is already leading the world in production figures in renewable energy sources.
America: we will have a electric bus fleet...in 2029!!
China: cruises around in 78 000 electric buses a year...in 2019.
Because Oil is the gravy train. Especially when your currency is attached to oils Value (energy).
Nailed it!
BYD a Chinese company that makes jobs for US citizens 😄
freaking capitalism man lol
That sounds disgracefully wrong to me
@@gyro727 Its disgracefully wrong in that the US can't even take care of its own citizens.
@Patrick Owen LOL USA needs a better transportation system! I mean even in the city where i live (Satu Mare) has better transportation system than NYC!
Patrick Owen even Tesla, GM, Apple,, HP,, are American companies that made jobs for Chinese citizens,as long as they’ve invested in China,,,so its all about love
Heck... Even Uganda is producing electric buses.
Damn!
@@RW_CreativeMedia ikr
Here in the UK we have a number of bus routes in London running on full electric. They are great and passengers love them.
Great
Who wouldn't love electric buses! They are quiet and they don't smell.
@@zebraimage people that like engine sounds
@@user-df3ty8ei2u easy peasy, download some engine noise in your mp3.
@@zebraimage we are in 2021, no one uses an mp3 anymore, but yea its not the same thing, if you aren't interested in that kind of stuff you cannot understand what i mean
CHINA : NOW
USA : ... later... planet is still in good shape
Earth : -_-
PUNE DARSHAN : Your talking crap..I hope looking down on China makes you feel better.. This video just showed China effort of 90,000 electric bus’s to usa’s tiny 300.. China is making huge environmental efforts in all areas while Trump backed out of the Paris agreement and California is fighting the government just to keep environmental laws in place... ??
Yeah u r right.
@PUNE DARSHAN Well the US didn't have those and was going through the same issues before the 70s. The US wasn't always environmentally-friendly or some bastion of labour standards. China and India _combined_ had significantly less pollution than the US back then; in fact, a lot (if not most) of the already emitted CO2, NOx, etc. we're dealing with today is because of the US and Western Europe. As for not investing in negative cash flow assets due to ideological reasons, just look at the military-industrial complex: trillions of dollars wasted that has brought nothing but misery for the US and for the world. So slow your roll, and do your research before you speak.
USA : planet is not beaten to a pulp yet ...
PUNE DARSHAN : China didn’t f$&@ up.. They simply had an Industrial revolution after the environmental ignorance was all used up .. (by countries already developed)
-free and open markets make good short term financial choices, certainly not long term environmental changes
-“... to be sustainable long term they must be cash flow positive.” : No,Not short term. It’s called investing. Tesla and investors don’t think 500k ev’s a year is their potential.. They just got going and haven’t even got to mass market yet, or released their main vehicle targeting mass market ..
China has made alternative energy cheaper for the world. I save $900/month on home electricity and gas with an EV with my solar panels.
you are selling them your country by refusing your country's resources and buying them.
in philippines, they sell solar panels too , small for homes and large for company building. Most of the stores that sells solar energy panels are chinese merchants. They sell wind turbine too in small rating 500w to 2000w. But hey, they (chinese traders) are the first seller to introduce us these cheap renewable energy the common folks can afford.
Buses are the most efficient vehicle it carries 40 to 70 passengers using the fuel of 3 cars only and it's diesel is more efficient than benzene, and the electric buses are not zero emissions it charges using electricity used from burning petrol or coal or solar or wind through electricity grid which wastes 50 % of the generated energy to reach charging stations. Cheaper energy because petrol is so expensive now but not electricity and batteries are so great
@@GC-ph9mz they are lowering the cost of solar panels. Americans get the cost savings whereas china is mass manufacturing them at minimal unit profit to supply the whole world with affordable solar panels. That's a pretty good + needed compromise.
What the heck do you do at home that you have to spend 900 a month on electricity?
The USA simply doesn't see buses as an important method of transport.
@Arch Stanton Large US cities see buses (and subways) as important to an extent but the car still rules overall.
Basically, China is ahead, but the US isn’t hopelessly lost yet
The US was hopelessly lost long ago.
@@markcaldwell2831 long ago? Hey aren't ya american?
@@herbertant4096 Nothing to do with nationality, dude. Facts will always remain facts. Living in denial ain't gonna solve one's problems. Credit to others should be given when due.
China wants to be less dependent on oil. That's all about it.
The air quality in Beijing back then around early 2010 is like blade runner 2099 😷
drifter4training are you still living in 2010? Wake up and smell the coffee!
Quite right, China doesn't have oil so it burns coal (80%) and nuclear to recharge its electric buses. If they had natural gas or oil they'd burn it directly in an internal combustion engine on the bus.
right
You are right Jay. China will build dozens and dozens of coal fired power generation plants to make all this electricity to power their government buses... They don't want the oil for fuel.
China : State owned enterprises
US : Enterprises owned state
BYD is private, just saying
@@gleitsonSalles All private enterprises in China are subject to heavy governmental regulation, it's a mix of capitalism and heavy-handed socialism.
@@gleitsonSalles i know, but in china capital doesnt control politics. In USA rich people can buy politician legally
@@Rio-ke9he That's not capitalism's fault. That's corrupt people's fault. Corrupt corporations and corrupt politicians.
@@alexliu5806 No one of the biggest reasons why manufacturing moved to China is because of it's very low regulations and they have paid a price for that...this is changing today in many sectors (like their anti-pollution measures because pollution problem is really that bad there); but China still has very low regulations in general....the trick is not heavy or very-low regulations but for any govt to find a balance..
Why do US Buses design always looks so old and not international look?
really good question ... not just city buses but all kinds of buses
The US lacks vision
Those doors look like they're from 1960. Where I live, we have super modern buses.
In USA all kind of vehicles look ancient and not worth to export to international markets, Buses, Trucks, cars.
I actually love the designs of american buses. Im from korea, so that may be the reason why. The grass is always greener on the other side.
As a chinese I burst into laughter when I hear 2040. 4:17
Do you not think they will do it by then? Why do you think it is funny?
@@frcgfd107 My thinking is a plan that long tend to be changed many times and no one do the real work. By 2040 all today's decision makers should be retired, and it's hard to say their successors will stick to their plans. Shorter term plans are more realistic.
Makes me sad....
@@frcgfd107 In China, should there be a plan to change all buses into electric ones, it would be done within a year. When we say "do something", it will be done right away. Obviously it is funny that the US needs 20 years to do such a simple thing, and there is no guarantee that the plan will be completed by then.
Ah yes... Procrastination. My old friend.
China has done so much for electric vehicles. It really is incredible.
Hats off to them.
Our Indian government too will eliminate diesel buses in few years. We already have electric buses in multiple cities.
The problem with USA is the oil lobby?
Yes pretty much.
> The problem with USA is the oil lobby? The problem is that these electric buses cost 10x as much. Thats a big difference. The USA is a free market economy, and the lowest bidder wins the contract. Who is supposed to pay the cost difference? For example, try telling Philadelphia's SEPTA (mass transit authority) that they can't buy the 10 new buses they need for 2020, they can only afford to pay for 1 new electric bus...
@@TEverettReynolds boy this is sad, can't they subsidize the buses?
When India is also on electric revolution, that will give strong boast to the environment. Cheers!
TEverettReynolds
Many of Indian city municipalities are not buying these outright.
Private companies are buying and operating them and paying a small monthly License fee. Even we don’t have huge public funds to use on these - maybe except large rich cities like Mumbai.
But Indian companies are making these buses locally and they will have a lower sticker price soon.
lol 2029 and 2040 what are these dates hahaha
a joke
2009 was just Yesterday.
NYC's Transit authority has a 5-year, $51 billion budget proposal yet a 2040 timeline. They should throw a few billion towards faster bus fleet electrification.
@@jascrandom9855 bruh it was 9/23/19 yesterday
every election they push the date back another few years. i vaguely remember we had like goals by 2025, then 2030, now 2040. LOL
I live in Hefei, the capital of Anhui Province in China. The buses in my hometown have been electric since a while ago (I don't remember exactly but I would say 5 years ago). It is much quieter and cleaner. It doesn't have the disgusting smell of gas emission. Consider that my hometown is a city with 4.5 million people with maybe thousands of buses, it is quite nice. I have to give credits to the staff of the buses who keep the buses so clean and new.
I'm in Qinhuangdao, a small city in the north, and all the buses and taxis are electric vehicle
Many people also buy electric vehicle.
All the best Proterra. I hope you lower your prices and sell to the entire world. Learn from BYD who is doing great.
China has to be admired for their willingness to force themselves ahead in this area.
US prices 100x more than China
Fact electric busses are used at a large scale in China 👌🏽👏🏽
Electric trolley buses are used on a large scale in Europe and have for 70 years. Recently Automatic Catenaries and battery power between power lines has improved versatility. Here is a trolley bus automatically connection in Seattle. It probably makes more sense to have a internal combustion engine driving a generator between catenary in the US. No need for batteries.
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William Jones-Halibut China also has electric scooters. It’s a choice to walk in China 😂🤷🏽♂️
@@2Memasa China has the fastest growing auto market in the world. They use electric boosted bikes and scooters because they couldn't afford anything else. They are quick to park if you need to pick something small up from the shops. Ive been there 10 years ago and they (mainly electrically boosted push bikes) were everywhere, they complained to me about always having to be on charge. A Family of 3 (mum dad child) crammed on a scooter is not where they want to be.
@@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs there are also electic cars now and you get to buy the car cheaper. i just got back after living there for 3 years and most of them use electric cars because its cheaper
my city bus is almost electric. even car is becoming more electric.that is trend.City of suzhou in China.if you don't believe. come and visit
Byd's story tells us that US and China can have a win-win relationship.
Byd
Build Your Dreams (BYD)
Until some senator jumps out crying "security threat"! Witha lobby bill tucked in his pocket.
Excellent decision by China. Hope the global Governments make a move in that direction.
The bigger picture is that the U.S. fails compared to other countries in the areas of math/engineering, renewable energy, electric buses / high speed rails/ robust and reliable mass transit systems, functioning infrastructure etc, because special interest and certain industries who stand to lose have completely corrupted our government. Call China communist all you want but in the end, they function as a more cohesive country and demand their private sector put country above short term profits. America is a 3rd world country in the making thanks to our priorities as a nation, as business people and as individuals who vote.
In short, USA.
Who would’ve thought, a little nudge from governments in the private sector could push entire industries in the right direction in the face of strong corporate interests.
Republicans call it socialism, the rest of the world calls it common sense.
Ah yes just get the government to fix it.
Benjamin Jin Ah yes, just get the invisible hand of the market to fix it
went rather well in 1929 and 2008 didn’t it?
Corporations control the USA period -
Right now in the small small city I live in 80-90% of the buses are either electric or plugin hybrids. China is way ahead of ZEVs because the government is aggressive on this issue.
Trump, the individual, fills his pocket while China moves as a country.
2040 most of management will retired with FULL benefits
New York has a mandate to be on all-electric busses by 2040. Why in over TWENTY years? Why bother at all if you take that long? Shenzhen is already all-electric TODAY. That's a city with 50% higher population than NYC. Currently Shenzhen has over 4600 electric buses, New York MTA has 5700 diesel busses. TWENTY years is an insult.
Well, America just saying that they will go green is a big joke. As long as there is Texas, there is no solar push in America.🤣🤐
Well you just said nyc has 5000 buses. Hello, you cant just get rid of them. They could last 20 years.
Funny, Texas is a major solar and wind electric producer. Texas sells energy and they don't care what kind!
Because New York can't turn an abandoned industrial area into a 300 spots car charging lot in 3 months.
Because the big oil corporations will lose money if they do it to fast. And have most of the power in congress. Unlike in china no big oil companies due to all import so no resistance in the gouverment. Basically in US profit comes first everything is secondary. Less oil consumption also impacts the petrol dollar. If less oil is consumed. Less trade happens for oil which impacts the dollar value due to it's less used.
because the oil business in America owns the US government
and the Chinese government owns it the oil business
Good point
How many lies and myths do liberals believe in?
Then again, these are the same people who think socialism is practical.
Because oil is settled in US dollar, China lack of oil, Chinese have no other choices but working on green energy.
If you play a game with someone and the rule is set by that person, you lack advantage for sure, that’s why China built a lot of electricity high speed railway too, in China if you buy a electric vehicle, the government will give you a lot of subsidies and you don’t pay any money for the license plate, but if you buy a gas vehicle, you need to pay Thousands of dollars in a lot of city for license plate.
Buses are the most efficient vehicle it carries 40 to 70 passengers using the fuel of 3 cars only and it's diesel is more efficient than benzene, and the electric buses are not zero emissions it charges using electricity used from burning petrol or coal or solar or wind through electricity grid which wastes 50 % of the generated energy to reach charging stations.
First time I heard about this company BYD, and it's already the largest EV maker in the world... damn, if China is a person, this person would've basically moved up the rank from an intern to a CEO in like 5 yrs...
Warren Buffet is big investor of BYD.
this time i went to china i saw electric truck every where
Everyone knows why it's slow to pick up in the US. These big oil companies stand to lose a lot of money should this happen
The US can have Electric Buses:
Because China stole all of their Electricity!
1:52 300 U.S. buses vs 78,000 buses in China delivered in in 2018. WTF U.S. , why so far behind!?!?!?
America needs another "Space Race." But instead of the moon....they should aim for Oxnard. Which I think is doable.
Because in the US, Public Buses are operated by the Cities. While in China, the Central Government can command every city to buy Electric.
The US is so far behind because these electric buses costs 10x as much. And China does not want to buy oil from OPEC (or anybody else), they are more then happy to build dozens of coal fired electric power plants and burn their own coal.
@@robertprewitt7777 How does BYD operate in USA as all over the west if it does not conform to American safety standards ?
No need to worry we are going to Mars first.
2040 and 2029? Why is CNBC acting like this is early when China did it in a much shorter time. NY and California need more aggressive timelines
A funny thing. The electric flow sounds you hear when a EVbus pass by is made by speaker to aware people nearby, actually the EVbus doesn’t make any noises itself.
Or it's too quiet. Because on trains the electric noise is quite loud.
William Huang that’s because of the rails!
@@elyserva7903 rails？
Yan Fang Yes! Wheels and rails are made of metals, when metals meet they should make sounds, right? More so since they should generate friction between them for the train to move.
USA Buses: We burn 100% clean natural gas guys!
China: *Laughs in fully electric*
depends how you sees it, where the electric from ? it could be from coal.
*Americans love cars* , not buses. According to reports, over 95% of American families own 2.3 cars. By contrast only 6% of Chinese families own a car. Why do you need to walk to bus stations, waiting for buses/trains to pick you up and drive you to your destinations when you have your own cars to drive anywhere anytime you want? As result, public transportation like buses in America are not as popular as that in China.
@@christopheranderssen7136because china's ground infrastructure n services are more advanced than the u.s,like high speed railway system and electric buses,etc.and most importantly,it's more convenient and more affordable than driving by ourselves, so we prefer the public transport over the private one,i certainly wouldn't say china's way is the best solution,i mean it's hard to tell which one is better,just different way of thinking,i guess. and "only 6% of chinese families own a car." well,u forgot to mention the difference of population between these two, my dear american friend :/
@@christopheranderssen7136 I live in Malaysia, a country that has pretty bad public transportation, I used to choose public transport to work and share a car with family member, but I had to get another car, not because I love to drive but because of the unreliable public transport, it always not arrive on time, and sometimes it's full and I had to wait long for the next trip. I had to spend 30-45 mins stuck in the jam, if I could sleep for an hour doing nothing on the bus or train, I will choose thr lazy option.
Batteries are terrible. Real electric buses run under double wires.
2:41 - Love the whine of the electric motor. So pleasant compared to headache inducing Diesel engine sound.
Exactly. I wish they existed when I went to school i could have used that comfortable 30 min nap + the soothing electric motor whine.
I love a Detroit pancake.
I do too but I'm forever hooked on the screams of a Detroit Diesel two-stroke. Sorry to be a ball-buster.
democracy is slow. people protest against everything irrespective of it being good or bad
But is the only possible better choice we have just see North Korea it’s horrible
Still, it is a crucial part of human freedom and everyone should have the right to do so.
@@sandeepvonguru1053 North Korea is more like dictatorship,China is real example of communist government
USA makes everything complicated, that is why there is not too many zero emissions buses
Mexico has a lot more zero emission buses than USA.
Just 3 simple reason why US fails in infrastructure
No1) Vested interest are more impt than a society interest
No2) 88% spent on financoal services . The rest are divided among manufacturing, farming and others
No3) No money. All the revenues earned went to the military and payment to the big bosses in financial services. These are pacts made between the govt and such entities.
Too much Protera promotion, too less China story. Looked even like promoted and sponsored video.
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Well, from experience, BYD makes crappy buses. Proterra does as well but are far better in performance. New Flyer and NovaBus are the two BIG makers that make durable buses BUT Gillig trounces them both in that category but flies under the radar providing for small transit agencies.
Simply, Chinese -built is no bueno. I'll trust a Japanese or ADL Enviro bus before I would BYD
It should really have more to do with who is willing to talk. Rather than a Chinese company whose headquarters and manufacturing are overseas, they took the industry perspective from a small start-up that is more than willing to give them anything they need to know in exchange for getting their name out there. Kind of like an unintentional sponsor in exchange for journalism information.
At least they mentioned BYD by taking a look at AVTA. I think it was an appropriate amount of insight from an organization that fully embraced an EV fleet.
@@MarloSoBalJr I ride in Chinese electric buses almost every day here in southwestern China, and I can tell you they are excellent: superior acceleration, smooth ride and turning, much quieter, and you have no exhaust fumes to deal with when waiting at a bus stop. BYD taxis are also showing superior acceleration and reliability. The numbers are in BYD's favor: sales are through the roof and going global.
2:37 Missoula represent! The electric buses are pretty cool, nice and quiet.
Way to go, Missoula!!!!!!
There are already few hundred buses across 4 cities in india and The government has sanctioned 5,595 electric buses in 64 cities for intracity and intercity operations under the second phase of Faster Adoption and Manufacture of (Hybrid and) Electric Vehicles (FAME) India scheme in order to push for clean mobility in public transportation
come to Lausanne in Switzerland, most of our public busses are electric for more than 40 years !
or Zurich. Extensive troleybus network. But they do have a backup diesel power for some parts, i.e. crossing tram lines, or out of the city areas for short part. There is not many battery powered busses in Switzerland that I know of.
some cities in China still have troleybus, only run on the fixed route.
but not the one with battery,
goff0103 No trolleybus.
Imagine if all the school buses in the USA went electric.
Buses are the most efficient vehicle it carries 40 to 70 passengers using the fuel of 3 cars only and it's diesel is more efficient than benzene, and the electric buses are not zero emissions it charges using electricity used from burning petrol or coal or solar or wind through electricity grid which wastes 50 % of the generated energy to reach charging stations.
If the buses start to go electric.
It will create a sustainable mentality of the industry.
And renewable energy companies will flourish.
U probably didnt see the video to suggest that electric buses do not save money and power compared to its predecessors .
EVs beat diesel in cents/mile and miles/kWh (onboard kWh or especially production kWh) by a huge margin. Regenerative braking gives EVs a higher efficiency in stop-and-go than in highway driving. There's no idling. Max range for buses clocked at 1100 miles. Flood proof. It's the way to go.
@@Owlbearwolf2 dude nothing is more durable and cost effective than a diesel engine, trucks will have to change batteries every 3 to 4 years, diesel engine lives for 20 years then with a cheap rebuild it will continue for more 20 years
Compare apples to apples. Cents/mile in fuel. No. of moving parts in the power plants. Hazardous waste comparison. You're comparing ev batteries to a diesel engine; when you should be comparing diesel waste to ev batteries, and the diesel engine to an ev motor (which doesn't break down).
From 2014 to 2018, I was in the United States for undergrad school in VA. Till I graduated, no buses were electric in my town. Every summer/winter when I went home to Beijing, I noticed that there were more buses painted in blue and grey, representing that they were electric. I would say 85-90% of the buses in Beijing are now pure electric. Those ev buses accelerate fast, quiet, the draw back is they are accelerating too fast that they are not as comfortable as diesel buses.
To be fair, American trails behind MOST developed/developing countries in mass transit. Not just China.
Heavy duty EVs are already running in my city,Shenzhen China home of BYD
China have had electric buses since the early 2000s. Grid connected buses, but electric none the less
Two words: oil companies
I've been lived in Shenzhen for 30+ yrs where BYD based, in the first few years when BYD buses on the road , the buses had to carry bulk battery modules on board and leads to low passenger capacity, but during these year I found the buses in the city become wider maybe they put the batteries under floor I think. and A/C haven't compromised either that's a good thing. I haven't seen a diesel bus for a long time
I know it’s fun to be salty on UA-cam but lighten up guys. So what if we’re behind, the steady improvement of electric transport and power generation is great news for everyone. If you want to help and you live in an American city, then write to your city council instead of leaving pessimistic comments on UA-cam.
The problem is, the city council changes hands every 4 years. The new council members have to review the plans from the previous council, change the contractors to their buddies..... Oh, 4 years are up. Start everything all over.
@@blam1328 LOL you are right - the glories of democrazy
1:37 USA 300 vs 78,000 China
I’m not sure it’s *exactly* that the US is more averse to change than China.
While it’s certainly true that the Chinese government has the advantage of being much more able to force change, I think an even bigger factor for electric buses in particular is that Americans simply don’t ride buses much!
That being said though, my wife being from China, it’s really obvious that China is all about change change change （“发展”）all of which is ultimately about economic development.
Being the largest exporter in the world, China maybe a big polluter but they also are leading the way in green energy tech and adoption. The scale of their projects is staggering.
And don't accept biodiesel buses like my local bus fleet company and local government did. They might emit less or no CO2 (directly, at least) but they still emit sot, particles and NOx. Electric buses are the only true clean option.
Yep
Only from solar charging, like Antelope Valley, or a nuclear reactor. Not from a coal fired electric plant.
Coal power stations are more efficient than internal combustion engine vehicles however
wow, grand scale retardation... apparently there is no bad stuff created from creating the 1 tonn of batteries, that must be changed every 5 years... wow guys, just wow.
@@eirikarnesen9691 You're the unintelligent her. Modern batteries last for 30 years. They outlive the rest of the vehicle. The batteries also get produced by ever increasing recycled materials. Don't post more of your imbecile comments before you do your research, moron.
I don't mind electric buses garbage trucks and excetera just keep a driver behind it.
Or we should have the trash be energy :D
So you can thank the driver right?
I am more interested in changing the job of driver to that of operator-mechanic. A machine will always perform routine tasks better than a human will, and upgrading driver skillsets to more technical vocations give them the opportunity to tap a wider job market.
The only person to spell out "etc".
@@ReizePrimus with the same pay? Get out of here
I live in Ningde, Fujian. it is a tier 4 or 5 small city, which means it’s anonymous in China. But all the city buses were replaced with electric buses 4 years ago. That was amazing, because when I studied in HK 1 years ago, I noticed all the buses in HK have been still running with petrol. I just realized how time flies and how rapid the mainland development is.
HK has been a backward place in the last decade. Shenzhen has just overtaken Hong Kong in terms of GDP last year. (Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou did so a few years ago) Because Hong Kong's unique political situation as a SAR, it doesn't share any of the advanced technology breakthroughs all mainland cities enjoy: mobile payment, fast delivery, 5G coverage, big data driven city planning, etc. Electric bus system is just one of many things Hong Kong miss out.
宁德时代，世界名牌。
Imagine seeing China with entire fleets of buses and taxis in several cities that are fully electric for a few years now, having a Chinese company designing and building your handful of buses, and still claiming the US is ahead on the manufacturing and technology XD
That BYD guy should run for president . He looks like trump , talk like bush and surely has an outlook like Yang.
Then BYD buses will be everywhere. :)
I'd better go straight to Yang.
First native american president. Has a nice ring to it.
To bad the US is going further and further from the "Good old days" all the time.
Falling behind in public health and safety, Innovation in any kind of science, soon to be economics.
The days when America led the world with more manufacturing and scientific might than everyone else combined are over. The days of being the greatest country of all a shining beacon of freedom and inherently good values. Over.
I picture America from that time as the raid on Iwo jima. Men clambering atop a hill to plant a flag, triumph over tyranny. Those days are gone, now wars are fought for oil instead of what really matters.
Seems everybody in the world is going electric buses. America: Nope we're number 1
In Hyderabad..India, if you see public transit buses, and the pollution they emit, it looks like as if the buses are running on coal.
The MTA saying they’re putting all bus electric by 2040 but that’s 20 years away, we need to do something now.
2040??? That's obviously a joke.
We had trolleybuses since 1950s in my home town... USA could try that too.
Many US cities had Trolley Cars and gave them up, some cities went back to a more modern system and it is called light rail.
At least trolleybuses are better than diesel.
I just saw an all electric bus on Route 11 here in San Diego. From the styling, I'll bet it's a Proterra! While initial investment may be high, the maintenance costs would be so vastly superior to a diesel or even a hybrid model that it's well worth the investment. Our trolley system is full electric using Siemens designed coaches. The only problem we have had is when the overhead cantilever fails to hold on the "third rail" overhead and one instance of an overhead cable snapping. Otherwise, they're beautifully reliable. So will be the buses once we convert them over. The Proterra buses have a unique sound, like a turbine and are smooth as all heck! We definitely need more of these here in San Diego!
Ashwin Naidu said that the San Jose Airport bus system will "very quickly slowly" get rid of their non-EV buses. What?
@Hello Leif how are you doing?
Having your buses electric + having your own solar power you just made it
Look at the no of of engineering graduates compared to lawyers and finance graduates. Where are your manufacturing base , engineers , managers , workers?
Moving over here from China and India! ;-)
the other problem which is making the switch to EV in America is the oil lobby in washington and the addiction to oil the US has.
07:00 Look at the speedy wind! They can also erect a wind tower! Great during thunderstorm days!
We just got our first fully electric bus here into Toronto recently 😆
But trump says coal power automobiles is the future, one coal dust plum at a time...lol
I got confused when the CNBC logo appears, thought it was huawei
8:05 oh..... where them pads at :P my phone should charge up in seconds ;)
This needs to be happening NOW, not twenty years from now. It needs to happen like when in WW2 the U.S. switched its complete economy from a peace time economy to a war economy in a matter of less than two years. That in itself would generate jobs.
They failed to mention that these electric buses cost 10x as much as a regular bus. So every city should just increase their mass transit budgets by 10 fold? Who do you think pays for all that? They won't increase ticket prices... so every mass transit agency of every city will wind up like AMTRAK, getting their funding from your tax dollars. Are you willing to pay significantly more in local taxes to subsidize all this? The US is a free market economy. The agencies by the cheapest bus they can afford.
@@TEverettReynolds Golly gee! You got me there! Climate change is happening but electric buses are too expensive so I guess we'll all just choke on fumes and starve to death.... but at least we'll save a lot of money. Electric buses are more expensive than regular buses because more regular buses are produced and sold which brings down the cost. When more electric buses are produced and sold the cost will decrease. That and the fact that electricity is cheaper than hydrocarbons, especially if it's produced by renewable methods like wind and solar, will make the buses pay for themselves in the long run. Do you think that when we switched from horse drawn carriages to cars maybe some people balked at the price too? In the long run it's worth every penny.
Batteries have lifespans and full of toxic chemicals that are hard to recycle. Watch how China handles its used up batteries.
@@TEverettReynolds Electric buses actually cost less than ICE buses and need less maintenance and cost less to run per mile. 10x is one of those fake lies that the oil lobby push out.
@@chinesesparrows Everything has a lifespan, Battery lifespans in buses are in excess of 10 years, perhaps longer than the bus, after which the batteries can find a second use in less demanding energy storage before being recycled in 30+ years. They have less toxic chemicals than existing diesel buses and in 30 years time the world will have a better understanding of how to recycle them.
He said it perfectly we get to comfortable and don’t wanna change
Americans seeing a Made-in-China electric bus “Go home.”
Americans seeing any kind of bus
"I'll rather get myself into a credit dept for leasing a car I can't afford than ride in that."
@CNBC , *trolleybuses are a lot more efficient,* than diesel buses and EV buses as well.
*Trolleybuses* weight less _(almost no batteries on board)_ which results in less electricity required to move them
and a lot cheaper to maintain _(no depleting batteries, that need to be replaced every so often)._
Oh and let’s not forget about huge negative impact on the environment
from battery manufacturing and recycling.
+Fire Heart
Yup this is true. Its kind of a mystery that trolleybuses are not more popular.