► FREE E-Book - www.lebestark.ch/startseite-english/kettlebell-code-e-book/ ► Kettlebell Plus for $1 - www.lebestark.ch/startseite-english/become-a-kettlebell-ninja-lebe-stark-bundle-subscription/ ► 10% Off ProKettlebell - prokettlebell.com/online-store?aff=37 (Use code "LEBESTARK" at checkout) The Turkish Get-Up is often praised as the ultimate kettlebell exercise, but it may not be as essential as advertised. While it has some benefits, it lacks the efficiency, safety, and results offered by simpler exercises like the Clean & Press. This video explores the science, biomechanics, and practical applications of the Get-Up to uncover its limitations and highlight better alternatives. __Time Stamp 00:00 - Intro - Fancy VS. Functional 04:00 - Part 1 - Personal Reasoning 14:40 - Part 2 - Methodological Analysis 26:22 - Part 3 - Research 33:02 - Part 4 - Conclusion 37:05 - Part 5 - Kettlebell Code
I'm a subscriber in your target demo, and I really enjoy your channel. I'm over 50, had chronic back pain for 20+ years, a fair amount of barbell and martial arts, but zero KB experience. About 3-4 years ago, I finally went into PT for my back, since I clearly didn't understand it well enough to fix it on my own. That took about a year, and it was really slow at first. As soon as I was able to function in a somewhat normal way, I started kettlebells, and TGUs (with 5lb, lol) were one of the things I started with. I still have a way long road to get to my target GPP, but I'm now regularly using 16k bells for snatches, and I just got a 24k to start seeing what I can do with it. I am also getting into double clean and press (occasionally clean and jerk) for the first time, greatlyinspored by your recent emphasis, but I'm only using double 12k's for that right now. I definitely still cycle TGUs into my workouts, because they were a key part of me relearning how to get up off the floor 2 years ago. I agree that super heavy TGUs probably don't make a lot of sense, but I do enjoy the rotational demand. Yes, I also get it that windmills and half-kneeling windmills also address rotation, and I have also fallen in live with maces and heavy clubs for that. But going from lying to standing under load feels valuable. My 'not great' reaction to your short was really just the kind of over the top labels like 'fancy,' and coming across that TGUs are inherently useless. I get the demands of the algorithm, but it looked like a total diss, which seemed unnecessary. :)
I'm going to both disagree and agree. I agree that the TGU isn't essential. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't have value, especially for certain groups. I'm also going to give you a little shit for some of the conclusions you made because frankly, I don't think you have the foundation to make them. Primarily, the first case report you cited, where they used the TGU as part of a patient's post-injury rehabilitation. You can't just say "They could have probably used a clean and press, etc" to achieve the same results, without actually having done the intervention for a patient with a similar or identical injury or without knowing exactly what the goal of the intervention was. I fully understand that you don't like the TGU (How many videos about it have you made by now?), but it seems like your dislike for it is also leading to some significant confirmation bias and resultant cherry-picking on your behalf. For instance, your references to its usefulness for grapplers. A significant tool for grapplers is the hip bridge/hip escape. Being able to apply force through hip extension is an essential skill and strength for grapplers. By incorporating a high hip bridge into the TGU, instead of only getting up high enough to just clear sweeping the leg under, you're also getting more development of core strength and hip extension. Saying that grappling only uses sitting up and pushing away is missing a significant component of what's important for grappling. And frankly, the call for all grappling coaches to unanimously agree that the TGU is vital? That's not a realistic expectation. In any sport. For any exercise. You will NEVER find that kind of agreement between coaches, it's an impossible goal post to set, and I think you know that. Hell, there are well-known American Football coaches who will argue that cleans and deadlifts are the WORST things an athlete can do.
Thanks for your feedback; I see your points and would like to add a few of my own! -> Research The research paper I've referenced has a very limited scope, as it involves only one participant. It would have been more insightful to see results from a larger group with similar issues, using either the Get-Up or the Clean & Press as the intervention. My hypothesis is that both would perform well, but the Clean & Press might have the edge due to its simpler learning curve and fewer safety concerns. -> Cherry Picking There’s a noticeable lack of robust research on the Get-Up. Most studies I’ve seen lack control groups, comparisons, and clearly defined methodologies for evaluating key differences. I might have missed them though, so you're welcome to add them here. -> Hip Bridge While I don’t practice BJJ, I do understand joint mechanics. The hip bridge demands a strong posterior chain, which can also be developed effectively through movements like Deadlifts, Squats, Swings, Cleans, and Snatches. -> Agreement I agree that Western coaches often seem divided. However, you may have missed the main point I made in this video (23:43), which references Roman’s book, "The Weightlifter". Roman states that if you can’t get out of the hole after catching a Clean, Squats should be your specific physical preparation (SPP) exercise. Ask any elite weightlifting coach, and I’m confident they’d agree that Squats are an essential SPP exercise. In fact, the Squat is arguably the one SPP exercise that almost everyone agrees has carryover to a wide range of sports activities.
Excellent, thank you! It is important to keep questioning fitness and training myths and at least try to establish a certain level of evidence or reason as a basis, as far as possible. This should be done much more often. Keep it up! At the same time, you have to be given credit for arguing so vehemently for the basics, instead of making yourself indispensable with fantasy concepts like most coaches do. For me as an experienced athlete (who is only now really getting into kettlebell sports in order to stay as fit as possible in the most efficient way for the rest of his life), this means that I don't need a new motivational video every day to learn that ultimately every conceivable combination and timing of the basic exercises will make me incredibly fit ;) OK, suggestions are always good, but beginners are certainly more dependent on them.
After doing KB exercises for almost 5 years here is how I know the TG is not the end all be all. I literally learned the TG after the swing. It was very easy to learn. This past year I started learning the windmill. There is no comparison to the difference in difficulty. I have dropped way down in weight for the windmill. The TG is cool and can be fun for beginners. But SNATCH is really the king. And if you combine the two that actually is a very hard combo. Just my opinion. I am also a BJJ practitioner (not a very good one) for 8 years. The other exercises you are a proponent of (snatch, clean, press, swings, and doubles) are the closest Feeling I get to getting on the mats. I really appreciate the effort you put into this and look forward to your next video. Thank you.
I respect the effort and understand where you come from... BUT: 1- TGU doesn't include any explosive movements such as the jerk, snatch, swing... which might not be an option for a large population 2- You can load the body with a higher weight than you can press which is a huge benefit exclusive to TGU 3- The isometric aspect and small shoulder muscles are trained in different planes 4- While strengthening the shoulder, it doesn't stress the joint as does the OVP 5- Danger of dropping the weight presents itself when a person is careless and exceeds his limits, and this is true for nearly every exercise on the planet! 6- It's one of the best exercises for movement literacy and exploring your body. 7- It targets weak links between movements and I can hardly think of exercises that do the same. these are main points.... other points can be said... thank you
You're contributing some excellent points to the discussion! Here's my feedback: 1. Beginners in our gym (aged 50+ with no prior lifting experience and some physical ailments) perform the Jerk, Snatch, and Swing without issues. 2. That could indeed contribute to straight-arm strength-fair enough! 3. The same applies to the Press, Jerk, and Snatch. In fact, the Snatch even incorporates internal rotation into the movement. 4. Stress on the joint isn’t inherently bad as long as it’s applied appropriately. 5. The risks associated with the Get-Up significantly exceed those of other kettlebell exercises. 6. Any exercise can enhance kinesthetic awareness and body literacy. 7. Movements like the Clean, Jerk, Snatch, Squat, Windmill, and Carries all target and strengthen weak links effectively. Thanks for sharing! 💪
The TGU and Halo are great drills, I'm 59 and both of these have helped me a lot with my modility, they are not a strength exercise persay, they are not meant to be done with heavy "ego" weight Whilst you dismiss these drills, there are a lot of highly regarded professional coaches a d physiotherapists that use these for various reasons Just like the "get back up" drill, simply getting up and down off the ground in different ways is paramount, especially as you age If you cannot get up and down of the ground you need to focus on this for later in life situations You seem to dismiss these drills out of hand, which is a shame, let's see if you stand by this in your older years Disclaimer: I'm not a "professional kettlebell athlete" 😂, I'm just a regular Joe with over 40 years of training behind me
@lebe-stark As I age, I have found that I require as much mobility training as I do strength training. Sadly, I waited until I was in my late 40's before I realised this and made mobility a equal part of my training routine, but, with time, good drills, and some expert physio and orthopaedic advice, my mobility and joint health is better than it has been for over 20 years Whilst mobility drills won't win any internet points, the difference it makes to your body is amazing, alot of my old niggling injuries and joint pain has basically disappeared
Great video, and I agree completely on the TGU. I do, however, still do relatively light halos--which you dismissed in the original video--as a warm up. It doesn't seem any fancier than, say, band pull-aparts and it serves a similar purpose to get the shoulders warm and prepared for heavier work.
The TGU is what got me interested in kettlebells because I thought it looked really cool and so it MUST be this amazing exercise. I think it was helpful at the VERY beginning of my training but at that point anything would have been. As I started digging into the research it looked to me like there's some good shoulder activation but there doesn't seem to be much, if any, benefit beyond other exercises. So yeah, I used to love it but now I see it as just ok. I still do them sometimes during a warmup just for some variety but that's about it now.
So the Get Up acted as „bait“ because of its allure and uniqueness that got you hooked on kettlebells. That‘s a tale I‘ve heard often from self-taught practitioners which clearly reveals a blind spot in my theory and a definite plus for the Get Up. Thanks for sharing! 💪
I agree with you, maybe the getup is an assessment tool or as an expression of strength gained but show anyone who isn't training with kettlebells and they'll ask or wonder "When am I ever going to need to do that" in their day to day lives.
Gregory being the chosen kettlebell jedi, bringing balance to the force, with this one. I started with SbS and thought the getup was so cool. The swing was easy, made MUCH easier of course by Gregory's beginners videos for 'sports style'. But the getup? I massively struggled to learn it, even weightless, and never managed to progress it. A Combination of back and shoulder pain/mobility ruled this out for me. Fast forward to now; my basic workout is the double snatch (swings big brother), one hand row and the windmill. I struggle with the windmill but not with form, just progression because it targets the EXACT muscles I have that are weak. I learned everything at home with the help of these videos. I look forward to my workouts each day exactly as described because its fun, chalenging and I can see myself progressing each day. Lebestark nailing the philosophy and the science #kettlebelljedi.
Yes, I see it as a great exercise that is particularly excellent at improving coordination under load which I think is very underrated. I don't quite see what's the debate around the GU is so heated. I would if it somehow was harmful but it's not. It's like the constant bashing on keb juggling which I also appreciate a lot for what it is. No idea why people need to get so polarized...
I dropped the Get Up from my training schedule a few months back after watching one of your previous videos. I was resistant to your opinion initially, but what makes sense is if you are consistently deadlifting, squatting, pressing and doing loaded carries what extra benefits are you getting from get ups? It’s a good exercise to test your ability every so often but not essential as I used to believe.
Another excellent,well thought out, and well presented video. If you go back to Pavel's first book the exercises he said were best were snatch, press, and c&j. However, the technique back then was not the best as HS was new and the technique was questionable, at best, compared to what we know now. Back in 2002 none of us knew a kb snatch from a hole in the wall . I believe the issue was it is harder to teach a snatch and c&j than a swing and a get up, especially through a book or video. So easier to do, easier to teach exercises become the standard. You can certify more people faster, etc. etc. And I do believe Pavel's books and methods work for a lot of people to get in shape, do something quick and simple every day, etc. But I believe also that if you learn the snatch, jerk, and long cycle and put effort into them you can achieve pretty much anything you want. We used to hear a lot in the old forums that GS was for endurance, HS was for explosive strength etc.etc. Once I really looked into and at GS competitors I realized that they have an incredible blend of strength, explosiveness, and endurance. I think, like you say, if you like doing any exercise it's worth doing. But when it comes to kettlebells I believe the competition lifts, squats, and maybe a press are all you need.
Regarding MMA and grappling based combat sports - I haven’t seen a universal structured curriculum that includes the TGU for general MMA/BJJ classes, although I have seen some gyms incorporate the movement (without added weight) in their programs for warmups and mobility drills. However, Joe Rogan said in one of his podcasts that he has spent a lot of time with top level fighters, UFC champions, and top tier submission grapplers, and the loaded TGU is a staple in their training because the carry over is immense for defensive escapes, posturing, and reversals. Which is why Rogan himself includes it as a staple in his own training. But this is totally SPP training. The general population MMA gyms don’t use the loaded version for GPP because it’s too time consuming to learn and observe in a class setting when the majority of the time should be spent on fight technique and skill enhancement.
These are interesting insights! I'd love to learn more about how high-level MMA athletes approach their GPP and SPP strategies and if they are overlapping. Thanks for sharing! 💪
A thorough and logical discourse, on the pros & cons of the Turkish Pretzel. Expectation management for the key audience is paramount. Stick to the basics, safe & efficient core exercises. The circus maneuvers can become the cherry on the cake, if so desired. What impresses me, about the KB, when correctly taught, is the absence of a propensity to injury. IMHO that's where Gregory excels. The Turkish has so many steps that can trip up the physical culturist.
Good and intelligent analysis. It is true that a full TGU is time consuming. But you can decompose the movement. For example I like to practice the quarter get up, really good for core and abs activation, you can do it quickly. You can also train only the tripod posture, and stay in this posture for some time to train isometrically all the body, but essentially the shoulders......just my two cents, I am not a professional like you. But congratulation for your beautiful gym and your channel.......
Hi Lebe, I do not like the TGU. As a Neupert fan I favour double clean and presses, double front squats and single snatches but recently I have found some use for the TGU using it for a gentle warm up with a relatively light weight. I have found that it seems to 'fill in gaps' and help balance imbalances and help with mobility. But maybe that is just me.....
I agree with you about using the Olympic-style lifts. I will do the TGU as an optional finisher or include it in an occasional off-day or deload workout. What my fitness tracker notices is that the time under tension really spikes my heart rate akin to a cardio exercise.
Thanks for sharing! 💪 As a sidenote, I recommend Dr. Kenneth Jay's book *The Cardio Code*. In it, he explains that an increased heart rate alone doesn't necessarily improve endurance. If that were the case, he could just "scare you into shape"! LOL
I'd really like to see this kind of analysis used to compare barbell squats with kettlebell squats. There's no one tool that's best for everything, and the kettlebell has limitations that I'd like to see discussed.
I‘d argue that the kettlebell is the best GPP tool out there that suits a specific demographic, that needs a little bit of everything - in a time-condensed manner.
I actually like figure 8 to holds quite a bit, but recently have been gravitating to the basics (busy with school and changing careers so I have to keep it simple for the time being) and focusing on cleans for where I would be doing something like a figure 8.
I like the TGU with a fairly light weight as a warmup & mobility - “weighted yoga” as others have put it. I haven’t worked up to heavy ones. The same with halos & goblet squats, they’re always part of my warmup
The good old get up, so many ways to do it. I can remember learning it for the first time and how much fun it is. It’s rare when I do them, and when I do, I just use my bodyweight. It seems that kb movements have gotten out of control(fancy movements). Keeping it simple is best, and will get you about 50% of what you need, and the other 50% can be done with bodyweight exercises/walking&running, and just doing physical activities or sports.
Never cared for TGU. People love it, that’s fine. Do what makes you happy. Ever since you started preaching 2 bells overhead, it’s been like magic. You and Levi are legit.
To be fair DJ also said to swing a snatch and to swing a clean. Both of those are generally single handed KB exercises. I think DJ was saying "generally" because most people won't go down the rabbit hole we who are watching this video have. And just swinging is going to help more people than trying to advance past that point.
@@thejacobanderson1 exactly. I'm confused myself, how do you do a Snatch without a one-handed swing? IIRC, DJ also doesn't like dead snatches, but I may be misremembering.
@@Jenjak I think it's a weight issue for Dan John. A person can swing one-arm more weight than clean or snatch, moves whose difficulty cuts down the weight. It's a heavy one-arm swing that's the issue for him, not the single-sided ballistic.
@notundermywatch3163 I was posting up on my right arm with the bell overhead in my outstretched left hand. My right shoulder dislocated. I managed to control the bells' descent with my left arm to a point and drop the bell away from myself. I rolled around like "ouch" for a second, put my shoulder back in place, and haven't done a turkish getup since. It's been about a year ago now. All I was using was a 24kg like I had done a lot. Idk, maybe it was overuse or something. All I know is that if something goes wrong with that move, it could be Goodnight Irene. I lucked out.
@@jordantheokay3168 omg that sounds very painful... It's fortunate the kb didn't drop on your face or head. I hope you're recovering well from that dislocation
@notundermywatch3163 It hasn't come out again since then. Who knows, it could have been an overuse thing. However, I have a decision to make when it comes to kettlebell training. I want to learn the windmill or bent press 🤔 but it looks like if it goes wrong, it goes full on wrong. I'm debating wrather or not I should wait until I receive in person instruction before I do any more work on that move. I think I performed it correctly a few times, but I understand that I may not have "nailed it" like I thought I did. 😅 a hinge and an intelligent twist is what I felt, but if I had filmed it, I'd probably be less self-assured.
@jordantheokay3168 glad to hear that and I hope it never does dislocate again. From experience being in contact with people who suffered this injury, it became a recurring issue. Indeed theoretically if such a thing happened during a windmill there's absolutely no escape from that weight falling on you and/or completely ripping the joint, it's a scarry thought 😬
48 kg getup is something but is nothing compared to the 3 exercises of the beastmaster challenge: a pullup, a press, and a one leg squat all with the 48 kg kettlebell.
If you think a 48kg Get-Up is insignificant, you’re mistaken. To achieve the feats you’ve mentioned, most people rely on barbell training. However, I reached my personal record without ever touching a barbell - proof of how effective the foundational kettlebell exercises truly are.
I think changing your opinion is fine. People should be able to come to their own conclusion after they have done some research on their own; if possible. I think a lot of people that have been following your channel for such a long time were just surprised that you changed your stance on the TGU.
Thanks for sharing! 💪 I completely understand your point - some people might find it confusing, but we're all on our own journeys. As we gain new insights and hear different arguments, it should be natural for opinions to evolve.
As a normal person, Maybe do tgu for 10 minutes twice per week, a few weeks per year if you train with weights 5x per week. If you train less than that the it’s likely not worth it.
The get up is waited yoga. Do I do the get up at much ad did? No. But do I regret learning it. He'll no. Some days just going through the get is great. A d what a warm!
Someone who lifts a significant amount of weight in TGU is a strong and functional person. Calling it the worst exercise seems like click-bait. Just because you prefer other exercises because they worked better for you and people you've trained with, doesn't mean TGU is the worst exercise. TGU exposes the shoulder to different angles that none of the other exercises you mention do. And you've done it yourself many times, if it were the worst exercise you probably wouldn't do it. I hope I'm wrong, but it feels like you're doing all this to generate controversy, sensationalism, and gain views. Regards and thanks anyway for providing your opinion
I appreciate the thoughtful response! It's not about personal taste. For instance, while I don’t enjoy running, I can’t deny its proven benefits for the body. Regarding your point about the shoulder: research seems to point out that ROM, mobility, and strength can improve through any type of resistance training. There’s no need for overly complicated or potentially unsafe exercises when simpler, safer alternatives exist that achieve the same results. As for why I've abandoned the Get Up: my perspective has evolved over time. I’m not bound by rigid thinking to earn approval or please any "masters." My insights grow with my experience, and I’m not afraid to pivot when I see a better way forward. Of course, I’ve incorporated some UA-cam-Algo language-fair enough! But ultimately, significant views aren’t the primary goal here since I'm "preaching to the choir" so to speak.
I really like your discussion, bold and interesting, still doing TGU, but still in line with your "functional" moves. And who knows in the future less TGU.
Your comment sounds a bit emotionally charged. Did you even watch the full analysis? Anything done with heavy weights is considered "proper" as long as it's a solid lift. Technique might take a bit of collateral damage when hitting a PR, and that's totally fine.
@@lebe-stark Hitting a PR with TGU and 48Kg in my opinion is a high risk of injury. Use a dead lift, can't go wrong 😉. Your 48kg TGU looked very unsafe, you got it, for shure, but what about the Sinister challenge?
Why using 48kg for TUG? For BJJ TUG are best, but with weights you can manage. I am not sure if I follow you. Where is the evidence that TUG are no good? So funny you showed a picture of grapplers who are my friends. Shout out to Professor Cesar Lima and Grand Union BJJ London Gym Box
The 48kg PR was a test to prove a point I made. Individual fitness and strength levels always play a role in any exercise, and I fully acknowledge that. Did you watch the entire video to understand my conclusions, or just a few minutes? Over the course of 30+ minutes, I carefully build my case explaining why I don’t see the Get-Up as the "God of the Kettlebell Realm" it’s often portrayed as-even for Grapplers, Wrestlers, BJJ, and MMA practitioners.
@ you got me here I commented too early, and you did mention your point regarding grapplers. However, your title, in my humble view, is when you contradict yourself. Perhaps it was just for click bate?
Can you share how I'm contradicting myself in the title? Granted, it's a "UA-cam-Algo" title (LOL) but it describes my position somewhat accurately, no?
You really have to stop with the get up obsession. It works for some and yes, may not be ideal for others. But the constant get up bashing is getting old.
This isn’t meant as bashing - just contributing to the discussion. I’ve uploaded over 2,000 videos to my channel, and only a few focus on the Get-Up. It seems the algorithm is steering you toward this type of content. LOL
@ I watch many of your videos and have incorporated some of your workouts in my routine. I like what you do but do not think the GU is as ineffective as you describe.
He was making pretty clear what not to expect from the TGU. For efficient training, it is always essential to define the training goal. This is the only way to determine efficiency. What adaptation do you want to achieve in the body? If you can answer this question, you can start to find the best method. Clearly, the TGU is not a Swiss Army knife here. That was the point here, and it was convincing. But why not incorporate TGUs if you have mastered them? In addition to the basic exercises, there are always accessories to create variety, etc. TGU is a non-ballistic way of getting a weight from the floor over your head. This can be welcome if you have already done a certain volume of snatches. But there are variations here too, e.g. with an additional press from each position, where you have to focus on posture and stability. I also do TGU occasionally to help me concentrate. Nobody said that TGUs are forbidden. And if you really want to do them, there is always the trick of formulating the training goal in such a way that they are the optimal exercise ;)
I have never seen the benefits of the TGU. This is the one exercise I dispense in my training, and I have not missed it since I stop doing it. Totally agree with Lebe in his take.
@ strange the TGU sucks. Isn’t it a major exercise in the #1 kettlebell book of all time? How’s master of sport going? I imagine once you get there you can challenge other supposed master of sport holders and their credentials, am I right? I appreciate the entertainment, although unfortunately, you don’t seem to possess the means to deviate from your usual content :)
Just because an exercise is a major highlight in a popular book doesn’t automatically make it the best choice. Mark my words: once I achieve MSIC, they’ll crown me the "Girevoy King." Just wait and see! 💀
@ I enjoy you, I really do. But I’m referring to your undeniable crusade against another entity. Your channel is 40% workouts and company promotion, 40% contrarian against anything “comrade,” and the other 20% is interviews and other content. I suspect you wanted an interview with someone you perceived would be huge for your channel, got denied, and have been on a mission to promote by “subtly” challenging said entity since. And if that didn’t transpire it says even more about your content.
I think TGU is overrated. It's to complex, it does not train everything equally and it does not transfer into most peoples every day life. I'm training with KBs for like 6 years now and never included it into my routine. Just checked now if I can perform it with 8 and 16 Kg. It works and I was able to perform it with 32 Kg (1 rep per side). It was fun learning it, but I can't see the benefit for me. Perhaps I will do it again as a benchmark. Stick with the basics (Squat, Jerk, Clean, Snatch, Pushup, Pullup, Deadlift, Leg raises) und you'll be fine. Take some extra cardio workouts and you'll be in shape in no time.
There’s a lot of other kettlebell “professionals” who would strongly disagree with you. In fact you seem to be the only one I’ve seen who thinks TGU and some of the other exercises are bad. That should tell you something. Lost respect for this guy, shows he knows a lot less than he thinks he does. Unsubscribing
It seems your perspective might be limited if you’ve only seen me critiquing certain kettlebell exercises for their efficacy. I’m completely fine with other professionals disagreeing with me. These disagreements spark more conversations-and healthy discourse is what drives the discussion forward.
@@lebe-stark came for the comments, knew I would find this one sooner or later🤣 The comments are getting better, though! People are starting to actually listen and watch the videos before reacting, I think:)
To his defense, I understand where our brother is coming from. We all create 'maps' in our minds to navigate life. When someone like me comes along and suggests that their map might be incomplete, it can feel disruptive…
For me, having trained seriously with kbs for over 22 years now, including working up to timed semi-sinister with a 42kg., I will always think of the TGU (and TGD) as valuable ways to test how ready I am on a given day to workout (using 1 kb of the same weight I will be doing dbl.C&P, dbl. C&J, dbl. F SQ or 1 arm snatch for 1-3 reps each side as a warm up. Not to mention the value to me of knowing how well my neurology and mobility are being maintained in my late 60s and beyond. I fully understand your focus Gregory, though I have never been a part of the General Public you are trying to help. I have been and will continue to be an exception and the TGU is very functional for me in that regard.
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The Turkish Get-Up is often praised as the ultimate kettlebell exercise, but it may not be as essential as advertised. While it has some benefits, it lacks the efficiency, safety, and results offered by simpler exercises like the Clean & Press. This video explores the science, biomechanics, and practical applications of the Get-Up to uncover its limitations and highlight better alternatives.
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00:00 - Intro - Fancy VS. Functional
04:00 - Part 1 - Personal Reasoning
14:40 - Part 2 - Methodological Analysis
26:22 - Part 3 - Research
33:02 - Part 4 - Conclusion
37:05 - Part 5 - Kettlebell Code
I'm a subscriber in your target demo, and I really enjoy your channel. I'm over 50, had chronic back pain for 20+ years, a fair amount of barbell and martial arts, but zero KB experience. About 3-4 years ago, I finally went into PT for my back, since I clearly didn't understand it well enough to fix it on my own. That took about a year, and it was really slow at first. As soon as I was able to function in a somewhat normal way, I started kettlebells, and TGUs (with 5lb, lol) were one of the things I started with. I still have a way long road to get to my target GPP, but I'm now regularly using 16k bells for snatches, and I just got a 24k to start seeing what I can do with it. I am also getting into double clean and press (occasionally clean and jerk) for the first time, greatlyinspored by your recent emphasis, but I'm only using double 12k's for that right now.
I definitely still cycle TGUs into my workouts, because they were a key part of me relearning how to get up off the floor 2 years ago. I agree that super heavy TGUs probably don't make a lot of sense, but I do enjoy the rotational demand. Yes, I also get it that windmills and half-kneeling windmills also address rotation, and I have also fallen in live with maces and heavy clubs for that. But going from lying to standing under load feels valuable.
My 'not great' reaction to your short was really just the kind of over the top labels like 'fancy,' and coming across that TGUs are inherently useless. I get the demands of the algorithm, but it looked like a total diss, which seemed unnecessary. :)
I'm going to both disagree and agree. I agree that the TGU isn't essential.
But that doesn't mean that it doesn't have value, especially for certain groups.
I'm also going to give you a little shit for some of the conclusions you made because frankly, I don't think you have the foundation to make them. Primarily, the first case report you cited, where they used the TGU as part of a patient's post-injury rehabilitation. You can't just say "They could have probably used a clean and press, etc" to achieve the same results, without actually having done the intervention for a patient with a similar or identical injury or without knowing exactly what the goal of the intervention was.
I fully understand that you don't like the TGU (How many videos about it have you made by now?), but it seems like your dislike for it is also leading to some significant confirmation bias and resultant cherry-picking on your behalf.
For instance, your references to its usefulness for grapplers. A significant tool for grapplers is the hip bridge/hip escape. Being able to apply force through hip extension is an essential skill and strength for grapplers. By incorporating a high hip bridge into the TGU, instead of only getting up high enough to just clear sweeping the leg under, you're also getting more development of core strength and hip extension. Saying that grappling only uses sitting up and pushing away is missing a significant component of what's important for grappling.
And frankly, the call for all grappling coaches to unanimously agree that the TGU is vital? That's not a realistic expectation. In any sport. For any exercise. You will NEVER find that kind of agreement between coaches, it's an impossible goal post to set, and I think you know that.
Hell, there are well-known American Football coaches who will argue that cleans and deadlifts are the WORST things an athlete can do.
Thanks for your feedback; I see your points and would like to add a few of my own!
-> Research
The research paper I've referenced has a very limited scope, as it involves only one participant. It would have been more insightful to see results from a larger group with similar issues, using either the Get-Up or the Clean & Press as the intervention. My hypothesis is that both would perform well, but the Clean & Press might have the edge due to its simpler learning curve and fewer safety concerns.
-> Cherry Picking
There’s a noticeable lack of robust research on the Get-Up. Most studies I’ve seen lack control groups, comparisons, and clearly defined methodologies for evaluating key differences. I might have missed them though, so you're welcome to add them here.
-> Hip Bridge
While I don’t practice BJJ, I do understand joint mechanics. The hip bridge demands a strong posterior chain, which can also be developed effectively through movements like Deadlifts, Squats, Swings, Cleans, and Snatches.
-> Agreement
I agree that Western coaches often seem divided. However, you may have missed the main point I made in this video (23:43), which references Roman’s book, "The Weightlifter". Roman states that if you can’t get out of the hole after catching a Clean, Squats should be your specific physical preparation (SPP) exercise. Ask any elite weightlifting coach, and I’m confident they’d agree that Squats are an essential SPP exercise. In fact, the Squat is arguably the one SPP exercise that almost everyone agrees has carryover to a wide range of sports activities.
I absofrigginlutely love your content, Gregory. Gotta be one of the best out there!
I appreciate the love, brother!
Excellent, thank you! It is important to keep questioning fitness and training myths and at least try to establish a certain level of evidence or reason as a basis, as far as possible. This should be done much more often. Keep it up! At the same time, you have to be given credit for arguing so vehemently for the basics, instead of making yourself indispensable with fantasy concepts like most coaches do. For me as an experienced athlete (who is only now really getting into kettlebell sports in order to stay as fit as possible in the most efficient way for the rest of his life), this means that I don't need a new motivational video every day to learn that ultimately every conceivable combination and timing of the basic exercises will make me incredibly fit ;) OK, suggestions are always good, but beginners are certainly more dependent on them.
After doing KB exercises for almost 5 years here is how I know the TG is not the end all be all. I literally learned the TG after the swing. It was very easy to learn. This past year I started learning the windmill. There is no comparison to the difference in difficulty. I have dropped way down in weight for the windmill.
The TG is cool and can be fun for beginners. But SNATCH is really the king. And if you combine the two that actually is a very hard combo. Just my opinion.
I am also a BJJ practitioner (not a very good one) for 8 years. The other exercises you are a proponent of (snatch, clean, press, swings, and doubles) are the closest Feeling I get to getting on the mats.
I really appreciate the effort you put into this and look forward to your next video. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing! 💪
I respect the effort and understand where you come from... BUT:
1- TGU doesn't include any explosive movements such as the jerk, snatch, swing... which might not be an option for a large population
2- You can load the body with a higher weight than you can press which is a huge benefit exclusive to TGU
3- The isometric aspect and small shoulder muscles are trained in different planes
4- While strengthening the shoulder, it doesn't stress the joint as does the OVP
5- Danger of dropping the weight presents itself when a person is careless and exceeds his limits, and this is true for nearly every exercise on the planet!
6- It's one of the best exercises for movement literacy and exploring your body.
7- It targets weak links between movements and I can hardly think of exercises that do the same.
these are main points.... other points can be said... thank you
You're contributing some excellent points to the discussion! Here's my feedback:
1. Beginners in our gym (aged 50+ with no prior lifting experience and some physical ailments) perform the Jerk, Snatch, and Swing without issues.
2. That could indeed contribute to straight-arm strength-fair enough!
3. The same applies to the Press, Jerk, and Snatch. In fact, the Snatch even incorporates internal rotation into the movement.
4. Stress on the joint isn’t inherently bad as long as it’s applied appropriately.
5. The risks associated with the Get-Up significantly exceed those of other kettlebell exercises.
6. Any exercise can enhance kinesthetic awareness and body literacy.
7. Movements like the Clean, Jerk, Snatch, Squat, Windmill, and Carries all target and strengthen weak links effectively.
Thanks for sharing! 💪
The TGU and Halo are great drills, I'm 59 and both of these have helped me a lot with my modility, they are not a strength exercise persay, they are not meant to be done with heavy "ego" weight
Whilst you dismiss these drills, there are a lot of highly regarded professional coaches a d physiotherapists that use these for various reasons
Just like the "get back up" drill, simply getting up and down off the ground in different ways is paramount, especially as you age
If you cannot get up and down of the ground you need to focus on this for later in life situations
You seem to dismiss these drills out of hand, which is a shame, let's see if you stand by this in your older years
Disclaimer: I'm not a "professional kettlebell athlete" 😂, I'm just a regular Joe with over 40 years of training behind me
You don‘t have to be a „pro“ to share your thoughts, brother! Your feedback is appreciated! 🔥
@lebe-stark As I age, I have found that I require as much mobility training as I do strength training. Sadly, I waited until I was in my late 40's before I realised this and made mobility a equal part of my training routine, but, with time, good drills, and some expert physio and orthopaedic advice, my mobility and joint health is better than it has been for over 20 years
Whilst mobility drills won't win any internet points, the difference it makes to your body is amazing, alot of my old niggling injuries and joint pain has basically disappeared
In short: You're winning and that's what counts! Thanks for sharing! 💪
Great video, and I agree completely on the TGU. I do, however, still do relatively light halos--which you dismissed in the original video--as a warm up. It doesn't seem any fancier than, say, band pull-aparts and it serves a similar purpose to get the shoulders warm and prepared for heavier work.
Thanks for sharing! 💪
Completely agree on the Halo.
The TGU is what got me interested in kettlebells because I thought it looked really cool and so it MUST be this amazing exercise. I think it was helpful at the VERY beginning of my training but at that point anything would have been. As I started digging into the research it looked to me like there's some good shoulder activation but there doesn't seem to be much, if any, benefit beyond other exercises. So yeah, I used to love it but now I see it as just ok. I still do them sometimes during a warmup just for some variety but that's about it now.
So the Get Up acted as „bait“ because of its allure and uniqueness that got you hooked on kettlebells.
That‘s a tale I‘ve heard often from self-taught practitioners which clearly reveals a blind spot in my theory and a definite plus for the Get Up.
Thanks for sharing! 💪
Love the TGU. Coordination aspects are amazing.
I agree with you, maybe the getup is an assessment tool or as an expression of strength gained but show anyone who isn't training with kettlebells and they'll ask or wonder "When am I ever going to need to do that" in their day to day lives.
Gregory being the chosen kettlebell jedi, bringing balance to the force, with this one. I started with SbS and thought the getup was so cool. The swing was easy, made MUCH easier of course by Gregory's beginners videos for 'sports style'. But the getup? I massively struggled to learn it, even weightless, and never managed to progress it. A Combination of back and shoulder pain/mobility ruled this out for me. Fast forward to now; my basic workout is the double snatch (swings big brother), one hand row and the windmill. I struggle with the windmill but not with form, just progression because it targets the EXACT muscles I have that are weak. I learned everything at home with the help of these videos. I look forward to my workouts each day exactly as described because its fun, chalenging and I can see myself progressing each day. Lebestark nailing the philosophy and the science #kettlebelljedi.
Thanks for the love, brother! May the FORCE be with you!
The TG is great for strength control and focus.😊😊😊
Yes, I see it as a great exercise that is particularly excellent at improving coordination under load which I think is very underrated. I don't quite see what's the debate around the GU is so heated. I would if it somehow was harmful but it's not. It's like the constant bashing on keb juggling which I also appreciate a lot for what it is. No idea why people need to get so polarized...
I dropped the Get Up from my training schedule a few months back after watching one of your previous videos. I was resistant to your opinion initially, but what makes sense is if you are consistently deadlifting, squatting, pressing and doing loaded carries what extra benefits are you getting from get ups? It’s a good exercise to test your ability every so often but not essential as I used to believe.
Exactly my point! Thanks for sharing! 💪
Another excellent,well thought out, and well presented video. If you go back to Pavel's first book the exercises he said were best were snatch, press, and c&j. However, the technique back then was not the best as HS was new and the technique was questionable, at best, compared to what we know now. Back in 2002 none of us knew a kb snatch from a hole in the wall . I believe the issue was it is harder to teach a snatch and c&j than a swing and a get up, especially through a book or video. So easier to do, easier to teach exercises become the standard. You can certify more people faster, etc. etc. And I do believe Pavel's books and methods work for a lot of people to get in shape, do something quick and simple every day, etc. But I believe also that if you learn the snatch, jerk, and long cycle and put effort into them you can achieve pretty much anything you want. We used to hear a lot in the old forums that GS was for endurance, HS was for explosive strength etc.etc. Once I really looked into and at GS competitors I realized that they have an incredible blend of strength, explosiveness, and endurance. I think, like you say, if you like doing any exercise it's worth doing. But when it comes to kettlebells I believe the competition lifts, squats, and maybe a press are all you need.
Regarding MMA and grappling based combat sports - I haven’t seen a universal structured curriculum that includes the TGU for general MMA/BJJ classes, although I have seen some gyms incorporate the movement (without added weight) in their programs for warmups and mobility drills. However, Joe Rogan said in one of his podcasts that he has spent a lot of time with top level fighters, UFC champions, and top tier submission grapplers, and the loaded TGU is a staple in their training because the carry over is immense for defensive escapes, posturing, and reversals. Which is why Rogan himself includes it as a staple in his own training. But this is totally SPP training.
The general population MMA gyms don’t use the loaded version for GPP because it’s too time consuming to learn and observe in a class setting when the majority of the time should be spent on fight technique and skill enhancement.
These are interesting insights! I'd love to learn more about how high-level MMA athletes approach their GPP and SPP strategies and if they are overlapping. Thanks for sharing! 💪
Keep doing TGU
THANK YOU. I appreciate these videos. I’m 74 and like your book and routines.
Glad you like them, brother! Let's go!
A thorough and logical discourse, on the pros & cons of the Turkish Pretzel. Expectation management for the key audience is paramount. Stick to the basics, safe & efficient core exercises. The circus maneuvers can become the cherry on the cake, if so desired. What impresses me, about the KB, when correctly taught, is the absence of a propensity to injury. IMHO that's where Gregory excels. The Turkish has so many steps that can trip up the physical culturist.
Thanks for sharing! 💪
get-up to the elbow is mandatory, everything else is only if the client likes the movement and it's the right exercise for them as a trainee
The basics are the only thing that's necessary if results are the goal. The Get Up isn't part of them.
Good and intelligent analysis. It is true that a full TGU is time consuming. But you can decompose the movement. For example I like to practice the quarter get up, really good for core and abs activation, you can do it quickly. You can also train only the tripod posture, and stay in this posture for some time to train isometrically all the body, but essentially the shoulders......just my two cents, I am not a professional like you. But congratulation for your beautiful gym and your channel.......
My gym is sending a hear-felt “Thank You” back! 💙
Hi Lebe, I do not like the TGU. As a Neupert fan I favour double clean and presses, double front squats and single snatches but recently I have found some use for the TGU using it for a gentle warm up with a relatively light weight. I have found that it seems to 'fill in gaps' and help balance imbalances and help with mobility. But maybe that is just me.....
Thanks for sharing! 💪 Neupert is using the big rock exercises as well - kudos to him!
I agree with you about using the Olympic-style lifts. I will do the TGU as an optional finisher or include it in an occasional off-day or deload workout. What my fitness tracker notices is that the time under tension really spikes my heart rate akin to a cardio exercise.
Thanks for sharing! 💪 As a sidenote, I recommend Dr. Kenneth Jay's book *The Cardio Code*. In it, he explains that an increased heart rate alone doesn't necessarily improve endurance. If that were the case, he could just "scare you into shape"! LOL
Thanks for the information, I am grateful.
I'd really like to see this kind of analysis used to compare barbell squats with kettlebell squats. There's no one tool that's best for everything, and the kettlebell has limitations that I'd like to see discussed.
I‘d argue that the kettlebell is the best GPP tool out there that suits a specific demographic, that needs a little bit of everything - in a time-condensed manner.
I actually like figure 8 to holds quite a bit, but recently have been gravitating to the basics (busy with school and changing careers so I have to keep it simple for the time being) and focusing on cleans for where I would be doing something like a figure 8.
I like the TGU with a fairly light weight as a warmup & mobility - “weighted yoga” as others have put it. I haven’t worked up to heavy ones.
The same with halos & goblet squats, they’re always part of my warmup
The good old get up, so many ways to do it. I can remember learning it for the first time and how much fun it is. It’s rare when I do them, and when I do, I just use my bodyweight. It seems that kb movements have gotten out of control(fancy movements). Keeping it simple is best, and will get you about 50% of what you need, and the other 50% can be done with bodyweight exercises/walking&running, and just doing physical activities or sports.
KISS principle is where it's at! Thanks for sharing! 💪
Never cared for TGU. People love it, that’s fine. Do what makes you happy. Ever since you started preaching 2 bells overhead, it’s been like magic. You and Levi are legit.
#2BOH is where the magic happens! Let's go brother!
Thank you ❤
Dan John is against the one-handed swing for *MOST* people. How do we ensure we do it correctly to make DJ happy we aren't hurting our backs?
To be fair DJ also said to swing a snatch and to swing a clean. Both of those are generally single handed KB exercises. I think DJ was saying "generally" because most people won't go down the rabbit hole we who are watching this video have. And just swinging is going to help more people than trying to advance past that point.
@@thejacobanderson1 yeah it's paradoxical... He says 1handed swings aren't great but praises exercises that include a 1handed swing.
@@thejacobanderson1 exactly. I'm confused myself, how do you do a Snatch without a one-handed swing? IIRC, DJ also doesn't like dead snatches, but I may be misremembering.
@@Jenjak I think it's a weight issue for Dan John. A person can swing one-arm more weight than clean or snatch, moves whose difficulty cuts down the weight. It's a heavy one-arm swing that's the issue for him, not the single-sided ballistic.
DJ has gone over this multiple times, it is about building the foundation first, then, do singles only when/if you can achieve the correct form
I got hurt by this exercise just enough to say that it injured me. I can't say that for any other exercise I've performed with the kettlebell.
How did the injury happen ?
@notundermywatch3163 I was posting up on my right arm with the bell overhead in my outstretched left hand. My right shoulder dislocated. I managed to control the bells' descent with my left arm to a point and drop the bell away from myself. I rolled around like "ouch" for a second, put my shoulder back in place, and haven't done a turkish getup since. It's been about a year ago now. All I was using was a 24kg like I had done a lot. Idk, maybe it was overuse or something. All I know is that if something goes wrong with that move, it could be Goodnight Irene. I lucked out.
@@jordantheokay3168 omg that sounds very painful... It's fortunate the kb didn't drop on your face or head. I hope you're recovering well from that dislocation
@notundermywatch3163 It hasn't come out again since then. Who knows, it could have been an overuse thing. However, I have a decision to make when it comes to kettlebell training. I want to learn the windmill or bent press 🤔 but it looks like if it goes wrong, it goes full on wrong. I'm debating wrather or not I should wait until I receive in person instruction before I do any more work on that move. I think I performed it correctly a few times, but I understand that I may not have "nailed it" like I thought I did. 😅 a hinge and an intelligent twist is what I felt, but if I had filmed it, I'd probably be less self-assured.
@jordantheokay3168 glad to hear that and I hope it never does dislocate again. From experience being in contact with people who suffered this injury, it became a recurring issue. Indeed theoretically if such a thing happened during a windmill there's absolutely no escape from that weight falling on you and/or completely ripping the joint, it's a scarry thought 😬
Grazie mille per la traduzione in italiano
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48 kg getup is something but is nothing compared to the 3 exercises of the beastmaster challenge: a pullup, a press, and a one leg squat all with the 48 kg kettlebell.
If you think a 48kg Get-Up is insignificant, you’re mistaken. To achieve the feats you’ve mentioned, most people rely on barbell training. However, I reached my personal record without ever touching a barbell - proof of how effective the foundational kettlebell exercises truly are.
I always speak. Truth..
I think changing your opinion is fine. People should be able to come to their own conclusion after they have done some research on their own; if possible. I think a lot of people that have been following your channel for such a long time were just surprised that you changed your stance on the TGU.
Thanks for sharing! 💪 I completely understand your point - some people might find it confusing, but we're all on our own journeys. As we gain new insights and hear different arguments, it should be natural for opinions to evolve.
As a normal person, Maybe do tgu for 10 minutes twice per week, a few weeks per year if you train with weights 5x per week. If you train less than that the it’s likely not worth it.
The get up is waited yoga. Do I do the get up at much ad did? No. But do I regret learning it. He'll no. Some days just going through the get is great. A d what a warm!
Someone who lifts a significant amount of weight in TGU is a strong and functional person. Calling it the worst exercise seems like click-bait. Just because you prefer other exercises because they worked better for you and people you've trained with, doesn't mean TGU is the worst exercise. TGU exposes the shoulder to different angles that none of the other exercises you mention do. And you've done it yourself many times, if it were the worst exercise you probably wouldn't do it.
I hope I'm wrong, but it feels like you're doing all this to generate controversy, sensationalism, and gain views.
Regards and thanks anyway for providing your opinion
I appreciate the thoughtful response!
It's not about personal taste. For instance, while I don’t enjoy running, I can’t deny its proven benefits for the body. Regarding your point about the shoulder: research seems to point out that ROM, mobility, and strength can improve through any type of resistance training. There’s no need for overly complicated or potentially unsafe exercises when simpler, safer alternatives exist that achieve the same results.
As for why I've abandoned the Get Up: my perspective has evolved over time. I’m not bound by rigid thinking to earn approval or please any "masters." My insights grow with my experience, and I’m not afraid to pivot when I see a better way forward.
Of course, I’ve incorporated some UA-cam-Algo language-fair enough! But ultimately, significant views aren’t the primary goal here since I'm "preaching to the choir" so to speak.
I think TGUs are okay as part of your warmup but shouldn't be in the main body of your workout.
Barbells are. Ideal for Olympic WL & P.L.
Dumbbells are better for. B.B.
Kettlebells are. Better for. Functuinal. Strength
I really like your discussion, bold and interesting, still doing TGU, but still in line with your "functional" moves. And who knows in the future less TGU.
Appreciate the feedback!
Sono d'accordo anche io
Grazie
Ottimo lavoro 😘
I disagree respectfully. The Get-up is one of the BEST Kettlebell exercises you can do!
I disagree brother but your opinion is highly appreciated!
@lebe-stark would love to jump in on a podcast sometime to discuss! 💪🏼
Turkish get ups are useful and I don’t think doing 48kg get ups prove anything to anyone. Use a lighter weight and do it properly…
Your comment sounds a bit emotionally charged. Did you even watch the full analysis? Anything done with heavy weights is considered "proper" as long as it's a solid lift. Technique might take a bit of collateral damage when hitting a PR, and that's totally fine.
@@lebe-stark Hitting a PR with TGU and 48Kg in my opinion is a high risk of injury. Use a dead lift, can't go wrong 😉. Your 48kg TGU looked very unsafe, you got it, for shure, but what about the Sinister challenge?
As a professional, I know exactly what I’m doing, and this PR Get Up was executed a) to prove a point and b) after a brutal 30-minute workout.
Why using 48kg for TUG? For BJJ TUG are best, but with weights you can manage. I am not sure if I follow you. Where is the evidence that TUG are no good? So funny you showed a picture of grapplers who are my friends. Shout out to Professor Cesar Lima and Grand Union BJJ London Gym Box
The 48kg PR was a test to prove a point I made. Individual fitness and strength levels always play a role in any exercise, and I fully acknowledge that. Did you watch the entire video to understand my conclusions, or just a few minutes? Over the course of 30+ minutes, I carefully build my case explaining why I don’t see the Get-Up as the "God of the Kettlebell Realm" it’s often portrayed as-even for Grapplers, Wrestlers, BJJ, and MMA practitioners.
@ you got me here I commented too early, and you did mention your point regarding grapplers. However, your title, in my humble view, is when you contradict yourself. Perhaps it was just for click bate?
Can you share how I'm contradicting myself in the title? Granted, it's a "UA-cam-Algo" title (LOL) but it describes my position somewhat accurately, no?
You really have to stop with the get up obsession. It works for some and yes, may not be ideal for others. But the constant get up bashing is getting old.
Doubling down
This isn’t meant as bashing - just contributing to the discussion. I’ve uploaded over 2,000 videos to my channel, and only a few focus on the Get-Up. It seems the algorithm is steering you toward this type of content. LOL
@ I watch many of your videos and have incorporated some of your workouts in my routine. I like what you do but do not think the GU is as ineffective as you describe.
That's great to hear! Keep doing you!
He was making pretty clear what not to expect from the TGU. For efficient training, it is always essential to define the training goal. This is the only way to determine efficiency. What adaptation do you want to achieve in the body? If you can answer this question, you can start to find the best method. Clearly, the TGU is not a Swiss Army knife here. That was the point here, and it was convincing. But why not incorporate TGUs if you have mastered them? In addition to the basic exercises, there are always accessories to create variety, etc. TGU is a non-ballistic way of getting a weight from the floor over your head. This can be welcome if you have already done a certain volume of snatches. But there are variations here too, e.g. with an additional press from each position, where you have to focus on posture and stability. I also do TGU occasionally to help me concentrate. Nobody said that TGUs are forbidden. And if you really want to do them, there is always the trick of formulating the training goal in such a way that they are the optimal exercise ;)
I have never seen the benefits of the TGU. This is the one exercise I dispense in my training, and I have not missed it since I stop doing it. Totally agree with Lebe in his take.
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Sigh… more of the same. If you know you know… comrade.
And for those of us who don't know? Can you fill us in?
More of the same would be the over 1K+ workouts I've shared on the channel. Why not enjoy this refreshing deviation from the usual content? :)
@ strange the TGU sucks. Isn’t it a major exercise in the #1 kettlebell book of all time? How’s master of sport going? I imagine once you get there you can challenge other supposed master of sport holders and their credentials, am I right? I appreciate the entertainment, although unfortunately, you don’t seem to possess the means to deviate from your usual content :)
Just because an exercise is a major highlight in a popular book doesn’t automatically make it the best choice. Mark my words: once I achieve MSIC, they’ll crown me the "Girevoy King." Just wait and see! 💀
@ I enjoy you, I really do. But I’m referring to your undeniable crusade against another entity. Your channel is 40% workouts and company promotion, 40% contrarian against anything “comrade,” and the other 20% is interviews and other content. I suspect you wanted an interview with someone you perceived would be huge for your channel, got denied, and have been on a mission to promote by “subtly” challenging said entity since. And if that didn’t transpire it says even more about your content.
I do. NOT. need 2 be. Lectured by. UA-cam Gestapo. . On behavior !.
Very funny 😂😂😂
UA-cam. Stasi. Needs 2. Read. Bill of. Rughts this is the. USA. Not North. Korea .!
I think TGU is overrated. It's to complex, it does not train everything equally and it does not transfer into most peoples every day life. I'm training with KBs for like 6 years now and never included it into my routine. Just checked now if I can perform it with 8 and 16 Kg. It works and I was able to perform it with 32 Kg (1 rep per side). It was fun learning it, but I can't see the benefit for me. Perhaps I will do it again as a benchmark.
Stick with the basics (Squat, Jerk, Clean, Snatch, Pushup, Pullup, Deadlift, Leg raises) und you'll be fine. Take some extra cardio workouts and you'll be in shape in no time.
There’s a lot of other kettlebell “professionals” who would strongly disagree with you. In fact you seem to be the only one I’ve seen who thinks TGU and some of the other exercises are bad. That should tell you something. Lost respect for this guy, shows he knows a lot less than he thinks he does. Unsubscribing
It seems your perspective might be limited if you’ve only seen me critiquing certain kettlebell exercises for their efficacy. I’m completely fine with other professionals disagreeing with me. These disagreements spark more conversations-and healthy discourse is what drives the discussion forward.
@@lebe-stark came for the comments, knew I would find this one sooner or later🤣 The comments are getting better, though! People are starting to actually listen and watch the videos before reacting, I think:)
To his defense, I understand where our brother is coming from. We all create 'maps' in our minds to navigate life. When someone like me comes along and suggests that their map might be incomplete, it can feel disruptive…
For me, having trained seriously with kbs for over 22 years now, including working up to timed semi-sinister with a 42kg., I will always think of the TGU (and TGD) as valuable ways to test how ready I am on a given day to workout (using 1 kb of the same weight I will be doing dbl.C&P, dbl. C&J, dbl. F SQ or 1 arm snatch for 1-3 reps each side as a warm up. Not to mention the value to me of knowing how well my neurology and mobility are being maintained in my late 60s and beyond. I fully understand your focus Gregory, though I have never been a part of the General Public you are trying to help. I have been and will continue to be an exception and the TGU is very functional for me in that regard.
I think he is a troll. His previous comment on a different video of yours stated “2 min of each workout seems boring” 😑
Wrestling, Martial. Artists. Use. Turkish. GetUp