The real victim in this story is Janus. If you read his emails and listened to his back story. Pretty sad. Then to top it off his body gets Hijacked. I hope he's not stuck in that drone.
Well if Dan embraced Adam he remains alive anyway if you read the e-mail they say that they wont pay vet benefits to him so no maintenance for implants.
and that drone seemed to have been running out of power, and the reason Dan had to jump into Janus is because if the energy goes out the mind would get erased? Judging from that text at the top right in the robot's HUD
I love that at the very beginning of the game, in the car scene, Adam himself tells you that: "For once in your life... Just listen to me. Whatever happens, I need you to rememeber... You're not in control." I forgot.
Janus: the god of doorways and routes, it seemed like a joke in the beginning because of him opening the tenant doors, but in the reject end, he is that way because he gave one last route of revenge for adam
Not to mention more literally, he's the god of duality and is often represented as 'two-faced'. As in, he has two faces. Because half of his face is prosthetic.
Janus : The two-faced god (demon) in Roman mythology. Physically two faced / maybe not all in one place. Two faced meant responsible for beginnings and endings. You e on to something. Read his console ?
This game is absolutely 100% mesterpice. Atmospere is amazing, truely cyberpunk. Every second was epic and the feelings to never get out from this incredible game. Perfect. The same feels it feels in SOMA.
It's fascinating because while there are some similarities in the digitalization of humans they are such radically different stories and games. They are very good companion pieces, though I think SOMA is better as a game.
If you pay attention to it, in the "rejection" ending, when the android, or something, checks the "still breathing" one, adam translates his mind into the former. Still, a very dark and grim ending of a man who goes down a spiral of madness to save his son.
@@felixfarside1210 looks straight up at him strangely, meaning that dan body died and he translated to the other guys and did like a haha, still breathing
Honestly I'm willing to count Reject as a good ending. Yeah you die but there is that small chance that you did kill Adam. It's like a bad and worse scenario I rather things end bad than worse because with accept you don't get the choice to stop him
We don't really know. Maybe Dan finds a way to take back control over his body. Slim chance, but still. Plus, Adam didn't make himself an immortal machine mind only to transfer himself into an old body that is destined to die eventually. I figure he'll find a way to trick Chiron into thinking the virus has done its job and once they deactivate it he'll upload himself into the web, and once there he'll decouple from Dan and they'll float together in the sea of information as immortal machine minds. Will probably take some convincing to get Dan on board, but the guy seems intelligent, he can figure it out for sure. And then they'll bump into Major Kusanagi/Project 2501 and together they will have lots of AI babies and live happily ever after. The end.
nah bro soma's is different in that there were two living copies of you one in virtual and other one in the shit world. But, in this Adem is just evil and there are no copies except adems but your not playing as him so yea ahhh nvm its a bit like soma lol but i actually liked this one lol! sorry for wasting your time brother
Deeper and more brain-melting on consciousness theme. Both are good, but for me Soma is superior at developing the story and making the final twist a real bomb.
With the results of both endings, Dan Lazarski would fare better by not playing the game at all. Hope there is a third ending. Otherwise, the game is simply the prolonged death of Dan, and the origin story of Evil Adam.
In the Embrace ending he doesn't die, he merges with Super-Adam-Clone. It's very similar to the state of the woman that wanted to transfer her mind to a child but ended up coexisting with it. Granted it's not perfect, and Dan might fucking hate it considering Adam keeps talking about making everyone ascend to the interwebs, without Dan being really on board with that. But it's not as clear cut a "Dan's Dead" ending as the Reject ending is.
Seems more like "Adam" is kind of in control of Dan in the Embrace ending, doesn't seem like a good thing at all to me. Both endings are bad in their own way if you think about it.
Rejecting Adam shows the hypocritical nature of Dan, who sacrificed Janus the same way Adam sacrificed him. Even the dialogue is the same. "Sorry, no other way." Dan and his son deserve each other tbh.
fuckin bullshit you serious bro !? Dan had to stop his son because he became this fuckin psychopath who is ok with murder and even taking his own fathers body , if he let him escape who knows what he might have done ! taking janus body was a necessary sacrifice in an attempt to save probably hundreds of lives his crazy son wouldve taken if freed , i really hope he smashed his brain and killed adam before he was shot to death .
xtension xward We know what he would've done because he told us. He wanted to upload everyone into the internet like the original him did with himself. Though the game treats this a bit weirdly so if it is consistent with the Adam story the internet versions would be clones. But if our vision of Janus-Dan is canon you can transfer the original.
Love the whole cyberpunk aesthetics of the game. My only complain would be jacking peoples mind took that nightmare forever to end. But the whole apartments conversations kinda makes up for it. Such a good dialogue and voice acting
I do like to think Adam dies in the reject ending, not because it's the happier of the two options, but if you're going to leave it open like that I'd prefer to go with the less predictable option.
Sure there is, Janus is a cyborg with (presumably) cyborg strength. Even a normal person can be killed by a few punches like that if head is punched into/bounced off rock like it's shown here, and since Janus' body is hitting Adam so hard it causes blood to burst out, Adam dying is definitely not out of the question.
Adam is definitely dead, but due to the nanophage virus that Daniel was exposed to. They spent the whole game explaining the dangers of it, and Daniel himself was afraid when he flipped the infected corpse over. I mean I guess the punches could have killed him. But either way, his time was limited.
That is a good point. After all even if the punches didn't kill him, he'll definitely be out of action for long enough for the virus to finish him off.
while that is true I believe most people had anticipated a happy end due to the fact that you get to see way more of Dan's character and are able to connect and sympathize with him as opposed to the protagonist in layers of fear. Furthermore the feeling of being betrayed and decieved by your own "son" that you so desperately wanted to be alive in the first place evokes a really bitter feeling
Conor Murray Layers of Fear technically did have a good ending. Ending 1: he's stuck in a loop. Ending 2: he kills himself Ending 3: he moves on and makes a name for himself Ending 3, as scummy as it was, was not a bad ending. Observer apparently doesn't have anything like this, so it's disappointing.
It's like 6 hours long dude. Btw, after you finish it, it doesn't let you go back and see other ending, it deletes the fucking save. I've just discovered this and i'm beyond infuriated.
Personally i love a good bad ending. Like make me suffer. Dont know why people complain when theres no true good endings to a game, its more real to life that theres a lot more grey areas and its not always cut and dry good vs bad
How is the first ending bad? It seems like their minds have merged, and now they live in one body in agreement. Or did Adam just take over and is suppressing Dan?
Johnny The Pencil Slayer I still think this is a better ending, Janus doesn't die and who knows, maybe there's still some hope that Dan might take control back from Adam.
Le mec acide quality of life. Janus wanted to die, as did Dan. but Dan made a promise to take care of adam. Adam couldn't accept that and hated Dan for it. given that the old Adam may have implied that he wanted to kill the Cyber Adam, his dead son probably realized how horrible the idea was in the end, and how Cyber Adam would have no morals and think of itself as superior.
In one of the dialogues with the tenants Dan explains that they won't let Observers carry guns anymore because people are already too afraid of them or something like this
Okay, so I just want to ask whoever is playing this game. How hard was it to get past this part? Because I can understand how stressful this had to be.
I love the endings, both of them and it suits the Cyberpunk genre.I don't get why some of you are hating on this, do you always need to be special and a fucking white knight hero?
It is okay for it to be like that if it was a fucking novel or a flick. But a "game" as a thing has a certain concept to it which includes outcomes, usually win/loose depending on the performance of a player. People just feel the feel that you get after playing 20 minutes of "guess under which cup the tiny ball is" with a shady dude in a shady alley and loosing all of your money.
The ending isn't bad like we wanted a happier one, the ending is simply unsatisfying. Too many loose plot threads and unanswered questions. The mystery as to what happened to Adam is solved and we get a decent idea of the turmoil between Dan and his son, but with all this dramatic imagery and the presence of fucking monsters, you'd think the game would at least HINT at the truth of what we're looking at. But nope, the game just decides it'll end with Dan and Adam, leaving all that other shit unresolved. And before you bring up the "the game doesn't have to answer that for you" bullshit response, it fucking DOES owe us some kind of hint or explanation. The other dream sequences in the game, while mind-screwy, DO have a logic to them. It's not hard to piece it together, as that's the point. Instead, this entire segment is just confusing and misleading, and there's no context to what we're seeing beyond the most vague of allusions, which still don't fully make sense. This isn't about a bad ending, this is about a badly-made ending.
Wow, so many people are complaining that there aren't any "happily ever after" endings. The fact that there aren't any good endings is what makes this game so great. If there was a happy end to it then it would completely ruin the whole "life isn't what it's cracked up to be" thing it's got going on.
Such a weird game but if u get trough to the puzzles u will enjoy this game. Sadly the puzzles are kinda hard to figure it out I need a guide.. Time saver actually
Doesn't really leave much room for a sequel, though. Besides, there's a LOT left unanswered and unaddressed, like what's up with the Nanophage? The people in the pods? What were those big monster things from the dream sequences and the ending hide-and-seek areas? Why was the Dream Eater starting to act up the way it was? That's why I kind of wish for more endings, at least one that ties all these elements together. It could have been tied to the side-quests, like doing each one gives a little clue of some kind that gives Daniel a different idea on how to finish the game, and addresses these questions better. Maybe Dan doesn't survive still, but we get a more definitive end.
Well, thats the part of the story, you do not get an answer to everything. That is what makes that world amazing, because its still unknown beyond that motel.
Can someone explain the story? As well as that werewolf looking creature. The lighting and the strange imagery is almost unbearable. I hated observing in this game.
If you hated observing in this game you are either lazy and dont want to explore a game and see what it has to offer or stupid because you dont understand or take in anything that is being told to you
If you ask me, the fact that neither ending is really "good" isn't a problem, since it's not that kind of story. What you CAN be unhappy with is that neither of these endings really offers much of an explanation as to what the fuck just happened. I get that this story is couched in dream logic, and I understand that at some point you start losing track of what's hallucinatory and what's real, but that still leaves a shitload of unsolved mysteries here. What the fuck is with the flesh-wave thing? What was that monster? What even are these monsters here for? Why does Dan's arm suddenly look different? How do we even know the ending is real and not some other hallucination? The only plot thread that gets settled is the main mystery, but that leaves all these other matters just with a fucking shrug. Is this another dream sequence? Then why doesn't it seem to tie into anything beyond the obvious flashback? These pieces don't add up. And then suddenly Dan is one of the monsters? Are they supposed to be like other observers? Then why do they show up in other dream eater sequences? And don't get me wrong, part of the reason this makes me so unreasonably angry is because I LOVE this game. It's a setting worth falling in love with, and it's been too damn long since we had a game play cyberpunk this well. To see so many questions go unanswered is infuriating when everything else seems to make at least a little sense. I don't mind an unhappy ending, but this is an UNSATISFYING ending. It's a GAINAX ending. This is a WE RAN OUT OF SHIT TO SHOW YOU ending!
*WTF just happened?* The infamous virus talked about in the game by people living in the building with the lock down is "online Adam". It, the virus, is about to lose to Chiron, the corporation biological Adam worked for, anti virus attack. So it needs to escape, even from the internet where it currently is. Since its creators father was a Observer, the only type of people able to be somewhat offline. The virus lures biological Adam father, Dan, to the apartments via creating a fake lock down. Ironically using himself as the reason for the lock down even if he hasnt infected anyone there. The virus controls the "murder dog\human" and is the puppet master of all the killings that happen in the game. Embrace ending means the virus wins. A virus that up to that point has being infecting cyborgs and lead to their death, according to what people say during the game and so on. The reject ending makes Dan call out the virus and eventually, via being in Janus body, try to kill the virus via killing its offline host body, aka the observer. Basically, "Dan mind in Janus body" tries to kill "Virus in Dan body". Dan is the guy you play until you enter Janus. *What the fuck is with the flesh-wave thing?* Just mind fuck stuff. The visual symbolism of data and mind, aka cyborgs. *What was that monster?* The human dog like monster is a cyborg created by biological Adam. A failed attempt for something. Later hacked by "online Adam", aka the virus, in order to kill anyone that knew about the virus, including biological Adam. The other monster is a representation of the observers role in this world. Observers being the "online mind police", catching people that are doing stuff they shouldnt. Which is also why Dan looks like one in the mirror later. *What even are these monsters here for?* I just told you, they are Observers. :) *Why does Dan's arm suddenly look different?* Dan, your character always looked like that. The good arm you see is just how Dan sees himself. Think of it like a digital overlay. You think you have a human hand because you look at it and see one, but in reality its just a crude looking robot hand with "mental CGI" on top. *How do we even know the ending is real and not some other hallucination?* Dans different vision modes dont work when hes in the mind or "not in reality". While its not explained well. The real world is much more important than the online one. Which the virus has found out via seeing hes about to lose to Chirons anti virus attacks and why he needs to escape to a "offline" alternative. In short the ending wouldnt work for the virus if it wasnt in the real\physical world in the game. *Is this another dream sequence?* The endings? No. *Then why doesn't it seem to tie into anything beyond the obvious flashback?* The flashbacks is a mix between several people. The persons childhood that ends up becoming the human dog monster, Adam, Dan and so on. All those strings tie to their respective people, but not all those people are relevant towards the ending. Which might make it confusing if one think they are. For example the human dog characters childhood has nothing to do with the endings pr say. *And then suddenly Dan is one of the monsters? Are they supposed to be like other observers?* Yes, the "light head" monsters are online representation of the "thought police" which Observers are. Dan, the character you play, is an Observer, but in the game hes doing things he is not supposed to be doing. Therefor other Observers are a threat to him in those "connected" states. Hope that helped. :D
I want to play this.I beat Layers of Fear and it made me a fan of this company. But is the framerate jittery like L.o.f was? That game gave me a headache after a hour or so...but i finished it.
The game has only one slot for saving and it saves automatically. I'm stuck in some kind of labyrinth (jail or something) and I don't know how to get out and can't load previous position cos there's no any.
this game so fucking good i dont like horror games and when i started played it i was thinking that it was just a sci fi game but the horrific part really good too
what does narcissism has to do with knowledge of domains ? i offered him advice first of all, second you are just spewing bullshit out of your mouth right now, begone
Johnny Jab from an outsider’s point of view, you’re being kind of a douche. i asked a simple question because youtubers i watch either didn’t play the game or they didn’t finish it, and i don’t have time to watch a 3 hour playthrough.
ey, i don't fucking care about any of your opinions, both of you are idiots, not gonna take shit from some1 who has an anime profile pic, nor from some idiot that's acting high when he is a low shit, begone
played it an hour up to the part where you have to use stealth, and it is so mediocre, it has been done 10 times better in other games, otherwise I liked the setting and the setup for the story. Too bad the gameplay isn't as good. Maybe I'll continue just for the story.
Sigh. If i knew the "talk with a door" simulator would end up in loose/loose situation i would just watch some bloke doing it. Disappointment. The only good thing was Rutger nostalgia.
It raises a question, We apply "mods" to our physical body, is it okay to apply "mods" to our spirits as well? If yes, is there a threshold to these mods to define we as we?
Ahghgh, why is there so much delay on picking dialog choices for the second half?! And the choices chosen weren't even different, was that just to pad out the video?
Great game, horrible ending no real impact to anything tbh. I guess the best ending is embracing otherwise Janus dies, either way you end up dead I suppose if you embrace also you technically have a chance of over coming “Adam” since your mind is still alive inside not that that matters also since the game ends
So there is no good ending where we get to kill our AI son. That's bothering. Also we get to decide embrace or reject him *after* we connected is stupid af. Human or AI our son is an idiot we didn't have the decency to kill him sadly.
This game reminded me a bit of SOMA. Observer had a great story, some jump scares, though longer I was playing it, more numb I become, it kind of transforms from horror to surreal visions and then you just walk to finally finish the game and see rather lame ending.
the ending rocked but i didnt enjoy playing most of the game. the beginning was sweet and the last hour was sweet but the middle was balls. Ilike the ending because it finally peices together all of the memory fragments for you.
gonna really hate people who ask for good endings. Shit, go play Sims or watch Twilight, what are you doing here? Masterpieces never have good endings, especially if they all about life, existence and raising questions what makes us humans. There are no truly correct answers to that, neither 'bad' or 'good' endings. Remember SOMA - the fact that Simon we played first died during the body swap, and then left alone in the abyss while his digital copy went to Ark - was it good or bad ending? Its neither. Same here. Grow up already ffs, life is not simply good or bad, its not a fairy tale.
I think Soma had more of a neutral ending. Neither good or bad. It was what was promised, a part of you moves on and lives happily, while the rest of you will rest deep in the ocean until they die. In this game on the other hand, the endings were slightly more on the bad side. Dan gets backstabbed: In the "Embrace", you get to experience a life but cannot control it fully, while on "Reject", you and Adam die. But I must say, getting angry that people don't really like bad endings on the other hand is just really childish. Obviously they can be a bit pissed off, but usually everyone gets over it and can appreciate what the game was.
The endings are bad; you're not allowed to get an ending that feels good :/ 1. You give yourself up and accept the evil part of your son 2. The evil son has his own body and you're dead (two punches shouldn't have killed him) -> I'm missing an option in which you can accept your past and beat the bad man :(
I like to think of there being an option where you don't go charging in and attacking Adam, but rather lay in wait. He thought he won and Dan was no more, not accounting for Janus to find the "robot" before its energy source ran out. If Daniel was able to transfer his consciousness from Rudy to Janus, could he not transfer his again with another much stronger person or with Adam again, but i think both of these would require the Dream Eater. If that is true then how was it that Janus Linked with Rudy in the first place? Possibly a link tool only between Machines and Humans, or just specifically Janus to Rudy and the other "Multi-function service and maintenance drone"s. Still the option would be there to remain in Janus' body and devise a plan even if he's on the slow side, poor Janus he was never the same after that plasma sweep. That aside very cool and interesting game raises some questions on technology and its potential impacts. Now i know why Rudy would wander off sometimes. Wonder if the others...
I tried that. It has some system that is trying to stop you from learning Adam's memories. It is a few simple games that you have to beat. I didn't manage to, and it kicked me out of his head. I don't know whether it is beatable or not. Need to do some research
too much glitch too little sense, somewhere by the end of the game I was soo pissed off by all these brain hacks with fuckloads of glitches, another weird game that Im not sure if I enjoyed
The real victim in this story is Janus. If you read his emails and listened to his back story. Pretty sad. Then to top it off his body gets Hijacked. I hope he's not stuck in that drone.
Well if Dan embraced Adam he remains alive anyway if you read the e-mail they say that they wont pay vet benefits to him so no maintenance for implants.
this made me so depressed. FUCK YOU DEVELOPERS. I DEMAND YOU MAKE JANUS A CLASS A CITIZEN.
and that drone seemed to have been running out of power, and the reason Dan had to jump into Janus is because if the energy goes out the mind would get erased? Judging from that text at the top right in the robot's HUD
I love that at the very beginning of the game, in the car scene, Adam himself tells you that:
"For once in your life... Just listen to me. Whatever happens, I need you to rememeber... You're not in control."
I forgot.
that's a good observation
@@goldenflower4230 thankies
Why did he tell Dan he was not in control? I mean, I think I know, but I wanna be sure that was a long game lol.
sebastek i think that was the advice of alive adam to Dan, since he knew he might be killed by the Digital Ones ))
@@L0ngThanh Might be right bud..
Janus: the god of doorways and routes, it seemed like a joke in the beginning because of him opening the tenant doors, but in the reject end, he is that way because he gave one last route of revenge for adam
Not to mention more literally, he's the god of duality and is often represented as 'two-faced'.
As in, he has two faces. Because half of his face is prosthetic.
Janus : The two-faced god (demon) in Roman mythology. Physically two faced / maybe not all in one place.
Two faced meant responsible for beginnings and endings. You
e on to something. Read his console ?
To save your time:
Embrace: 15:35
Reject: 24:40
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Awfully kind of you.
The "reject" ending is definitely more interesting.
Agreed.
At the same time it kills my fave character :c
You wrong mate. He's still alive inside that machine. Low battery most likely equals coma. You just need to plug in the power.
aslong as his memory drives are good. Then again he's completely machine at this point :'(
Yup, just finished and screwed that guy, having seen the other one, I prefer mine. :D
R.I.P. Rutger Hauer. You will not be forgotten like tears in the rain.
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@@أحمدمصطفىشلبي-ج2ه, the voice of the Observer, Daniel Lazarski, Rutger Hauer
@@أحمدمصطفىشلبي-ج2ه the fuck man are you serious
@@m3lanchol1a60 dude... I know the guy now, chill
@@أحمدمصطفىشلبي-ج2ه ;)
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Perfect cyberpunk. No hope.
I don't get it
Cyberpunk settings are pretty much always dystopian and end badly for everyone concerned in them (and the evil megacorporation wins).
Yeah reminds me of 80 s anime.
Glad at least someone in this comment section actually gets it.
I disagree. The beginning of a new lifeform we feel threatened by (and we should).
But it is us. We are it. It is me. You are ///*** we. /* //*/
This game is absolutely 100% mesterpice. Atmospere is amazing, truely cyberpunk. Every second was epic and the feelings to never get out from this incredible game. Perfect. The same feels it feels in SOMA.
i still prefer SOMA
@@bruh_0955 As do I. The story in SOMA had a very very slight glimmer of hope. This was still good, but not the same.
Played both, love both!
It's fascinating because while there are some similarities in the digitalization of humans they are such radically different stories and games. They are very good companion pieces, though I think SOMA is better as a game.
Fun Fact: the actor of Daniel Lazarski (Rutger Hauer) was the android Roy Batty in Blade Runner.
Livitus No. Fucking. Way.
@@It9LpBFS37 some people don't know they where born 😂
Good shit totally forgot about that
_Tears in Rain_ is my favorite scene in just about any movie, and this is by far one of my all time favorite games. That's awesome, I love Rutger.
I always think of hobo with a shotgun
If you pay attention to it, in the "rejection" ending, when the android, or something, checks the "still breathing" one, adam translates his mind into the former. Still, a very dark and grim ending of a man who goes down a spiral of madness to save his son.
How can you tell?
Yeah I didnt notice anything either, how can you tell?
@@felixfarside1210 looks straight up at him strangely, meaning that dan body died and he translated to the other guys and did like a haha, still breathing
I hope it gets a sequel. I want to see more locales and explore more of this cyberpunk/Bladerunner world.
Apparently from what I've heard from a friend working there, the game didn't sell well, so...
Wait for Cyberpunk 2077. They are also our guys... (made in Poland) :) joke. Great C. P. Game
@Caffeinated Wizard Blade Runner is cyberpunk
@unga Dunga and just in what way is cdpr woke???
@unga Dunga that's some way to think about it
Need more storyline about Corporation, rebels, concrete wall, virus, nanophage. goddamn good uinverse. Wolfman/10 would play again
The reject ending is way more interesting , but it sucks that Dan has no option
Honestly I'm willing to count Reject as a good ending. Yeah you die but there is that small chance that you did kill Adam. It's like a bad and worse scenario I rather things end bad than worse because with accept you don't get the choice to stop him
We don't really know. Maybe Dan finds a way to take back control over his body. Slim chance, but still. Plus, Adam didn't make himself an immortal machine mind only to transfer himself into an old body that is destined to die eventually. I figure he'll find a way to trick Chiron into thinking the virus has done its job and once they deactivate it he'll upload himself into the web, and once there he'll decouple from Dan and they'll float together in the sea of information as immortal machine minds. Will probably take some convincing to get Dan on board, but the guy seems intelligent, he can figure it out for sure. And then they'll bump into Major Kusanagi/Project 2501 and together they will have lots of AI babies and live happily ever after. The end.
Similar theme to Soma. I quite liked the execution of Soma better. Regardless, it is nice to see this theme being explored further
nah bro soma's is different in that there were two living copies of you one in virtual and other one in the shit world. But, in this Adem is just evil and there are no copies except adems but your not playing as him so yea ahhh nvm its a bit like soma lol but i actually liked this one lol! sorry for wasting your time brother
Deeper and more brain-melting on consciousness theme. Both are good, but for me Soma is superior at developing the story and making the final twist a real bomb.
@@kamealex there will never been another soma
Is dying really so bad for Dan, it seemed like throughout the whole story he embraced the comfort of a permanent death.
With the results of both endings, Dan Lazarski would fare better by not playing the game at all. Hope there is a third ending. Otherwise, the game is simply the prolonged death of Dan, and the origin story of Evil Adam.
In the Embrace ending he doesn't die, he merges with Super-Adam-Clone. It's very similar to the state of the woman that wanted to transfer her mind to a child but ended up coexisting with it. Granted it's not perfect, and Dan might fucking hate it considering Adam keeps talking about making everyone ascend to the interwebs, without Dan being really on board with that. But it's not as clear cut a "Dan's Dead" ending as the Reject ending is.
Seems more like "Adam" is kind of in control of Dan in the Embrace ending, doesn't seem like a good thing at all to me. Both endings are bad in their own way if you think about it.
Rejecting Adam shows the hypocritical nature of Dan, who sacrificed Janus the same way Adam sacrificed him. Even the dialogue is the same.
"Sorry, no other way."
Dan and his son deserve each other tbh.
fuckin bullshit you serious bro !? Dan had to stop his son because he became this fuckin psychopath who is ok with murder and even taking his own fathers body , if he let him escape who knows what he might have done ! taking janus body was a necessary sacrifice in an attempt to save probably hundreds of lives his crazy son wouldve taken if freed , i really hope he smashed his brain and killed adam before he was shot to death .
xtension xward We know what he would've done because he told us. He wanted to upload everyone into the internet like the original him did with himself. Though the game treats this a bit weirdly so if it is consistent with the Adam story the internet versions would be clones. But if our vision of Janus-Dan is canon you can transfer the original.
I think this game isn't about the destination and more about the commentary it made
Love the whole cyberpunk aesthetics of the game. My only complain would be jacking peoples mind took that nightmare forever to end. But the whole apartments conversations kinda makes up for it. Such a good dialogue and voice acting
I do like to think Adam dies in the reject ending, not because it's the happier of the two options, but if you're going to leave it open like that I'd prefer to go with the less predictable option.
There is, unfortunately, no way that a few punches killed Adam.
Sure there is, Janus is a cyborg with (presumably) cyborg strength. Even a normal person can be killed by a few punches like that if head is punched into/bounced off rock like it's shown here, and since Janus' body is hitting Adam so hard it causes blood to burst out, Adam dying is definitely not out of the question.
Adam is definitely dead, but due to the nanophage virus that Daniel was exposed to. They spent the whole game explaining the dangers of it, and Daniel himself was afraid when he flipped the infected corpse over. I mean I guess the punches could have killed him. But either way, his time was limited.
That is a good point. After all even if the punches didn't kill him, he'll definitely be out of action for long enough for the virus to finish him off.
@@crzy4hiretest Uh Daniel wasn't really exposed to the nanophage. That part was just an illusion.
Why are people so upset about this game having an unhappy ending? Layers of Fear had an unhappy ending
while that is true I believe most people had anticipated a happy end due to the fact that you get to see way more of Dan's character and are able to connect and sympathize with him as opposed to the protagonist in layers of fear. Furthermore the feeling of being betrayed and decieved by your own "son" that you so desperately wanted to be alive in the first place evokes a really bitter feeling
because ppl waiting for happy ending
Conor Murray Layers of Fear technically did have a good ending.
Ending 1: he's stuck in a loop.
Ending 2: he kills himself
Ending 3: he moves on and makes a name for himself
Ending 3, as scummy as it was, was not a bad ending. Observer apparently doesn't have anything like this, so it's disappointing.
Conor Murray it had a happy ending.
Happy endings are boring.
I'm surprised that people aren't talking about the creature's Tetsuo-esque mutation starting at 0:21.
that fucking organ music when he sees himself as the monster, fucking badass
Ok, just finish this game in a maraton... I fell dizzy, heartbroken and all my intestines twisted... I fuking love this game.
"Dan, run!" Begins to leisurely stroll down the hall.
ah man the rejection ending is so much better lol I chose the embrace because I thought it would be more interesting. oh well. great game!
I did the embrace ending, but after watching this I would say reject ending is the "real" one since it is a lot more elaborated
So, whatever you do, you lose?
apparently so
Not quite, you may be able to stop evil AI for good, maybe
how
reject ending, it seems pretty clear
well technically speaking that's not entirely true because i think the AI escapes anyways
It's been a day since it's release...
A few people had early access that let them play over 3/4 of the game before the release date XD
I already beat it. It's not that long
It's like 6 hours long dude.
Btw, after you finish it, it doesn't let you go back and see other ending, it deletes the fucking save. I've just discovered this and i'm beyond infuriated.
Yea... wasn't one of those. Honestly, forgot this game even existed. Kind of just picked it up because I was curious.
At first it seemed like me save was gone, too, but after I restarted the game the continue option was back and I could see the other ending.
Reject is kinda of a better ending. Adam should have had an AI watching his AI :)
R. Murphy lol
Thank you BLOOBER TEAM for giving me something real.
evil Adam dies in both endings regardless of the punches. remember he does have the phage... a "true grit" story.
"True grit" ?? Please explain. I'm intrigued!!
Wasn't the phage part just an illusion cast by Adam into Daniel's mind while the latter was sitting in a VR pod?
Yes i think thats an illusion because we cant use our abilities
me be like: this is good game
after seeing date of release: WHATT| THE BLOODY HELL
It’s just 5 years old…
Personally i love a good bad ending. Like make me suffer. Dont know why people complain when theres no true good endings to a game, its more real to life that theres a lot more grey areas and its not always cut and dry good vs bad
Not to horror, but mind fuck. Hard to understand this game.
you're slow huh?
For a few game, it's hard to understand about it. :P
did you play the game or only watched on youtube?
are you so cool nerd? you know everything? if you can't explain to people what they not understand - stfu and enjoy yourself smartness
Trippy game. Very Blade Runner Esq...
Rutger Hauer is the father
Observer is a cyberpunk masterpiece!
How is the first ending bad? It seems like their minds have merged, and now they live in one body in agreement. Or did Adam just take over and is suppressing Dan?
Yeah, you have options of what to say but whatever you want to say Adam is the one talking in the end
Adam is the one in control. Basically Dan can only suggest what to do, but Adam gets the final call.
Johnny The Pencil Slayer I still think this is a better ending, Janus doesn't die and who knows, maybe there's still some hope that Dan might take control back from Adam.
Le mec acide quality of life. Janus wanted to die, as did Dan. but Dan made a promise to take care of adam. Adam couldn't accept that and hated Dan for it. given that the old Adam may have implied that he wanted to kill the Cyber Adam, his dead son probably realized how horrible the idea was in the end, and how Cyber Adam would have no morals and think of itself as superior.
its basically controlling over rather than merging
this game atmosphere and graphics reminds me symbiosis of two games: SOMA and Hard Reset
I OBSERVED that this is a horror game
Phoenixwild The dragon me to
Being a futuristic cop I'm surprised he doesn't have a gun which would have probably been the best thing to use to stop Adam at the end.
In one of the dialogues with the tenants Dan explains that they won't let Observers carry guns anymore because people are already too afraid of them or something like this
@@PanRobak. ty ^^
@@iranicus np my dude
I saw some Matrix references here....especially at the ending with the Hive mind..
Rest in peace Rutger Hauer
The reject is better than other one (my opinion) other one is main character dominated by a
i , danny becomes slave.
Okay, so I just want to ask whoever is playing this game. How hard was it to get past this part? Because I can understand how stressful this had to be.
You feel grief for like 5 minutes
If you restart the game you can press continue and make a different choice.
P.S. I like the ending theme.
so what we have learn? its possible to make AAA quality games with unity, just that developers will only make AAA walking simulators
I love the endings, both of them and it suits the Cyberpunk genre.I don't get why some of you are hating on this, do you always need to be special and a fucking white knight hero?
It is okay for it to be like that if it was a fucking novel or a flick. But a "game" as a thing has a certain concept to it which includes outcomes, usually win/loose depending on the performance of a player. People just feel the feel that you get after playing 20 minutes of "guess under which cup the tiny ball is" with a shady dude in a shady alley and loosing all of your money.
The ending isn't bad like we wanted a happier one, the ending is simply unsatisfying. Too many loose plot threads and unanswered questions. The mystery as to what happened to Adam is solved and we get a decent idea of the turmoil between Dan and his son, but with all this dramatic imagery and the presence of fucking monsters, you'd think the game would at least HINT at the truth of what we're looking at. But nope, the game just decides it'll end with Dan and Adam, leaving all that other shit unresolved.
And before you bring up the "the game doesn't have to answer that for you" bullshit response, it fucking DOES owe us some kind of hint or explanation. The other dream sequences in the game, while mind-screwy, DO have a logic to them. It's not hard to piece it together, as that's the point. Instead, this entire segment is just confusing and misleading, and there's no context to what we're seeing beyond the most vague of allusions, which still don't fully make sense.
This isn't about a bad ending, this is about a badly-made ending.
9:40 2009-2011 Gmod lipsyncing
Janus is the only reason I chose to accept Adam. A war vet and innocent person can't die for the cause of revenge.
Wow, so many people are complaining that there aren't any "happily ever after" endings. The fact that there aren't any good endings is what makes this game so great. If there was a happy end to it then it would completely ruin the whole "life isn't what it's cracked up to be" thing it's got going on.
Wow. You get it. Thanks
Such a weird game but if u get trough to the puzzles u will enjoy this game. Sadly the puzzles are kinda hard to figure it out I need a guide.. Time saver actually
Oh my god this is literally the same plot as Ghost in the Shell but grimdark.
are ye winning son?
The both endings seem equally bad...
where is cortana when you need her :P
I like the game but I hate when there are two endings and both of them are bad.
I mean that was kind of the overall theme.
That's the point...
Doesn't really leave much room for a sequel, though.
Besides, there's a LOT left unanswered and unaddressed, like what's up with the Nanophage? The people in the pods? What were those big monster things from the dream sequences and the ending hide-and-seek areas? Why was the Dream Eater starting to act up the way it was?
That's why I kind of wish for more endings, at least one that ties all these elements together. It could have been tied to the side-quests, like doing each one gives a little clue of some kind that gives Daniel a different idea on how to finish the game, and addresses these questions better. Maybe Dan doesn't survive still, but we get a more definitive end.
Well, thats the part of the story, you do not get an answer to everything. That is what makes that world amazing, because its still unknown beyond that motel.
at the both ends you were just OBSERVING. get it
everything you believe is probably not true.
Oh Look ... it is male Shodan xD
Is the Embrace ending the same no matter what you choose to say?
JESUS CHRIST THIS GAME IS HORRIFYING!!!😲😨😵😱
Can someone explain the story? As well as that werewolf looking creature. The lighting and the strange imagery is almost unbearable. I hated observing in this game.
bubbleLoppicus
If you hated observing in this game you are either lazy and dont want to explore a game and see what it has to offer or stupid because you dont understand or take in anything that is being told to you
Thank god I rejected that guy on my run. Better ending.
If you ask me, the fact that neither ending is really "good" isn't a problem, since it's not that kind of story. What you CAN be unhappy with is that neither of these endings really offers much of an explanation as to what the fuck just happened.
I get that this story is couched in dream logic, and I understand that at some point you start losing track of what's hallucinatory and what's real, but that still leaves a shitload of unsolved mysteries here.
What the fuck is with the flesh-wave thing? What was that monster? What even are these monsters here for? Why does Dan's arm suddenly look different? How do we even know the ending is real and not some other hallucination? The only plot thread that gets settled is the main mystery, but that leaves all these other matters just with a fucking shrug. Is this another dream sequence? Then why doesn't it seem to tie into anything beyond the obvious flashback? These pieces don't add up. And then suddenly Dan is one of the monsters? Are they supposed to be like other observers? Then why do they show up in other dream eater sequences?
And don't get me wrong, part of the reason this makes me so unreasonably angry is because I LOVE this game. It's a setting worth falling in love with, and it's been too damn long since we had a game play cyberpunk this well. To see so many questions go unanswered is infuriating when everything else seems to make at least a little sense.
I don't mind an unhappy ending, but this is an UNSATISFYING ending. It's a GAINAX ending. This is a WE RAN OUT OF SHIT TO SHOW YOU ending!
*WTF just happened?*
The infamous virus talked about in the game by people living in the building with the lock down is "online Adam". It, the virus, is about to lose to Chiron, the corporation biological Adam worked for, anti virus attack. So it needs to escape, even from the internet where it currently is. Since its creators father was a Observer, the only type of people able to be somewhat offline. The virus lures biological Adam father, Dan, to the apartments via creating a fake lock down. Ironically using himself as the reason for the lock down even if he hasnt infected anyone there. The virus controls the "murder dog\human" and is the puppet master of all the killings that happen in the game.
Embrace ending means the virus wins. A virus that up to that point has being infecting cyborgs and lead to their death, according to what people say during the game and so on.
The reject ending makes Dan call out the virus and eventually, via being in Janus body, try to kill the virus via killing its offline host body, aka the observer. Basically, "Dan mind in Janus body" tries to kill "Virus in Dan body". Dan is the guy you play until you enter Janus.
*What the fuck is with the flesh-wave thing?*
Just mind fuck stuff. The visual symbolism of data and mind, aka cyborgs.
*What was that monster?*
The human dog like monster is a cyborg created by biological Adam. A failed attempt for something. Later hacked by "online Adam", aka the virus, in order to kill anyone that knew about the virus, including biological Adam.
The other monster is a representation of the observers role in this world. Observers being the "online mind police", catching people that are doing stuff they shouldnt. Which is also why Dan looks like one in the mirror later.
*What even are these monsters here for?*
I just told you, they are Observers. :)
*Why does Dan's arm suddenly look different?*
Dan, your character always looked like that. The good arm you see is just how Dan sees himself. Think of it like a digital overlay. You think you have a human hand because you look at it and see one, but in reality its just a crude looking robot hand with "mental CGI" on top.
*How do we even know the ending is real and not some other hallucination?*
Dans different vision modes dont work when hes in the mind or "not in reality". While its not explained well. The real world is much more important than the online one. Which the virus has found out via seeing hes about to lose to Chirons anti virus attacks and why he needs to escape to a "offline" alternative. In short the ending wouldnt work for the virus if it wasnt in the real\physical world in the game.
*Is this another dream sequence?*
The endings? No.
*Then why doesn't it seem to tie into anything beyond the obvious flashback?*
The flashbacks is a mix between several people. The persons childhood that ends up becoming the human dog monster, Adam, Dan and so on. All those strings tie to their respective people, but not all those people are relevant towards the ending. Which might make it confusing if one think they are. For example the human dog characters childhood has nothing to do with the endings pr say.
*And then suddenly Dan is one of the monsters? Are they supposed to be like other observers?*
Yes, the "light head" monsters are online representation of the "thought police" which Observers are. Dan, the character you play, is an Observer, but in the game hes doing things he is not supposed to be doing. Therefor other Observers are a threat to him in those "connected" states.
Hope that helped. :D
I want to play this.I beat Layers of Fear and it made me a fan of this company. But is the framerate jittery like L.o.f was? That game gave me a headache after a hour or so...but i finished it.
Isnt this the exact plot of ghost in shell?
Which one? 1995 I assume?
Far from it, the thing they have in common is the transferable consciousness. If you go through the game you can see it has many other topics
nah. much closer to permutation city
It's not a transfer.. it's a copy.... Which means.. if you rejected you get to play two copies. And the originals are destroyed.
So... Basically the only choice that matters is the last one? Typical...
The game has only one slot for saving and it saves automatically. I'm stuck in some kind of labyrinth (jail or something) and I don't know how to get out and can't load previous position cos there's no any.
Sale computers, follow the lights
Janus is such a sweetheart
He's definitely one of my favourite characters! Apart from Dan, of course.
9:24 "oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah" huh what is this?
It's not necessarily "yeah oh yeah", more of a "yeehooyeaaahhyeeeaahhh" chant
Thank you for doing this appreciate it
Isn't this just the prequel to SOMA?(Jk I know it's not.)
What you got? bad ending or bad ending? I got bad ending.
this game so fucking good i dont like horror games and when i started played it i was thinking that it was just a sci fi game but the horrific part really good too
Can someone PLEASE explain the plot of this game... I tried watching playthroughs but it was hella confusing...
read bio engineering and robot books
not my fault hes an idiot
what does narcissism has to do with knowledge of domains ? i offered him advice first of all, second you are just spewing bullshit out of your mouth right now, begone
Johnny Jab from an outsider’s point of view, you’re being kind of a douche. i asked a simple question because youtubers i watch either didn’t play the game or they didn’t finish it, and i don’t have time to watch a 3 hour playthrough.
ey, i don't fucking care about any of your opinions, both of you are idiots, not gonna take shit from some1 who has an anime profile pic, nor from some idiot that's acting high when he is a low shit, begone
If you guys like this game i recommend GET EVEN its severally underrated.
played it an hour up to the part where you have to use stealth, and it is so mediocre, it has been done 10 times better in other games, otherwise I liked the setting and the setup for the story. Too bad the gameplay isn't as good. Maybe I'll continue just for the story.
Crasa Cool story bro
I plugged myself into Helena Novak and after it ended it appeared game over.. I don't know what that was??
Sigh. If i knew the "talk with a door" simulator would end up in loose/loose situation i would just watch some bloke doing it. Disappointment. The only good thing was Rutger nostalgia.
Reject is so much better
It raises a question,
We apply "mods" to our physical body, is it okay to apply "mods" to our spirits as well?
If yes, is there a threshold to these mods to define we as we?
Holy cow I thought I was watching SOMA lol
Ahghgh, why is there so much delay on picking dialog choices for the second half?!
And the choices chosen weren't even different, was that just to pad out the video?
Great game, horrible ending no real impact to anything tbh. I guess the best ending is embracing otherwise Janus dies, either way you end up dead I suppose if you embrace also you technically have a chance of over coming “Adam” since your mind is still alive inside not that that matters also since the game ends
So there is no good ending where we get to kill our AI son. That's bothering. Also we get to decide embrace or reject him *after* we connected is stupid af. Human or AI our son is an idiot we didn't have the decency to kill him sadly.
Can you leave at all when he offers you to plug in his mind????
No. He's basically been hacking you since you got in the pod. The rest was stalling for time.
28:07 : Sorry Janus, No other.. Way
YOU KNO DA WEY
What is all that nasty organic stuff everywhere lol
This game reminded me a bit of SOMA. Observer had a great story, some jump scares, though longer I was playing it, more numb I become, it kind of transforms from horror to surreal visions and then you just walk to finally finish the game and see rather lame ending.
the ending rocked but i didnt enjoy playing most of the game. the beginning was sweet and the last hour was sweet but the middle was balls. Ilike the ending because it finally peices together all of the memory fragments for you.
Lightweight gives me Videodrome movie vibes
gonna really hate people who ask for good endings. Shit, go play Sims or watch Twilight, what are you doing here? Masterpieces never have good endings, especially if they all about life, existence and raising questions what makes us humans. There are no truly correct answers to that, neither 'bad' or 'good' endings. Remember SOMA - the fact that Simon we played first died during the body swap, and then left alone in the abyss while his digital copy went to Ark - was it good or bad ending? Its neither. Same here. Grow up already ffs, life is not simply good or bad, its not a fairy tale.
James Sunderland in some you can choose to let the first copy live so then there are 3 copies
Woah. I almost cut myself on that edge!
Only James Sunderland could be so edgy.
Yes, James...LET THE DARKNESS CONSUME YOU!
I think Soma had more of a neutral ending. Neither good or bad. It was what was promised, a part of you moves on and lives happily, while the rest of you will rest deep in the ocean until they die.
In this game on the other hand, the endings were slightly more on the bad side. Dan gets backstabbed: In the "Embrace", you get to experience a life but cannot control it fully, while on "Reject", you and Adam die.
But I must say, getting angry that people don't really like bad endings on the other hand is just really childish. Obviously they can be a bit pissed off, but usually everyone gets over it and can appreciate what the game was.
The endings are bad; you're not allowed to get an ending that feels good :/
1. You give yourself up and accept the evil part of your son 2. The evil son has his own body and you're dead (two punches shouldn't have killed him)
-> I'm missing an option in which you can accept your past and beat the bad man :(
why does endings haveto give you good feelings? its a lot more consistent with the tone of the game when the options are bad or worse.
I like to think of there being an option where you don't go charging in and attacking Adam, but rather lay in wait. He thought he won and Dan was no more, not accounting for Janus to find the "robot" before its energy source ran out. If Daniel was able to transfer his consciousness from Rudy to Janus, could he not transfer his again with another much stronger person or with Adam again, but i think both of these would require the Dream Eater. If that is true then how was it that Janus Linked with Rudy in the first place? Possibly a link tool only between Machines and Humans, or just specifically Janus to Rudy and the other "Multi-function service and maintenance drone"s. Still the option would be there to remain in Janus' body and devise a plan even if he's on the slow side, poor Janus he was never the same after that plasma sweep. That aside very cool and interesting game raises some questions on technology and its potential impacts.
Now i know why Rudy would wander off sometimes. Wonder if the others...
Timo Lot 6 punch from a cyborg should kill adam (in dan old body) off
>why does endings haveto give you good feelings?
Because I just spent five hours of my life I won't get back to essentially have the same weak ending
So... what about connecting to his head back in the killer's den? Doesn't that lead to a third ending?
I tried that. It has some system that is trying to stop you from learning Adam's memories. It is a few simple games that you have to beat. I didn't manage to, and it kicked me out of his head. I don't know whether it is beatable or not. Need to do some research
Why do u take forever to choose an answer
Os their not a thir ending for hooking up to dead Adams severed head?
Techno Akira
Why am I hearing killer queen noises
What happens when you connect Adam's severed head?
It's really his head, so he had Chiron set up defense mechanisms to stop people from hacking in. It's a bunch of minigames pretty much, kinda cool
too much glitch too little sense, somewhere by the end of the game I was soo pissed off by all these brain hacks with fuckloads of glitches, another weird game that Im not sure if I enjoyed