World's First DESKTOP SILICONE 3D PRINTER!

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  • Опубліковано 2 лют 2025
  • The wonderful ‪@3DPDoctor‬ shows his DESKTOP SILICONE 3D PRINTER. It's AMAZING. You're going to love this one.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 341

  • @3DPDoctor
    @3DPDoctor Рік тому +74

    ❤❤❤ this is fire 🔥 thanks a lot for the amazing episode. It was my pleasure to meet with you @3dprintingnerd

    • @a728728728
      @a728728728 Рік тому

      Misleading headlines are deceiving! Search UA-cam for silicone 3D printer There are many machines from several years ago

    • @grantballard4362
      @grantballard4362 Рік тому +1

      So cool to see it all coming to fruition! Congrats!!

    • @3DPDoctor
      @3DPDoctor Рік тому +1

      @@grantballard4362 yeah! thank you man. Good to see you here haha

    • @NathanCroucher
      @NathanCroucher Рік тому +1

      11:12 Future thankyou

    • @skjain2
      @skjain2 Рік тому +1

      Awesome you built this at Oregon State! Are you still in the area?

  • @SkateSoup
    @SkateSoup Рік тому +164

    The bespoke adult novelty industry is going to love this, and their client base are going to adore the layer lines. Jokes aside, this is an incredible accomplishment, great job build team, I can't wait to see how this grows and evolves over time.

    • @benknrobbers
      @benknrobbers Рік тому +11

      don't forget the marijuana accessory industry. Had a conversation with a guy who ran a head shop who said he'd kill to have exactly this machine for printing silicone pipes and inserts.

    • @danyg4063
      @danyg4063 Рік тому +14

      Eh, layer lines are actually pretty awful for the adult novelty industry. Those small nooks and crannies are breeding grounds for bacteria. Same reason why FDM prints aren't food safe. Layer lines may feel good for hot minute, but the ensuing yeast infection will not.

    • @kodguerrero
      @kodguerrero Рік тому +7

      @@danyg4063 Condoms make things safer..

    • @TheDeathskull37
      @TheDeathskull37 Рік тому +2

      @@benknrobbers tell him he can print pieces out of PETG. It is foodsafe and high temp. I printed a bubbler I designed. If I ever upload it I will put link here.

    • @jackgurr2717
      @jackgurr2717 Рік тому +2

      @@TheDeathskull37 petg in itself is food safe but the additives put in by filament manufacturers are not, and the layer lines are impossible to completely clean between

  • @gen4171
    @gen4171 Рік тому +20

    Finally desktop custom fleshlight printer.

    • @EddyKorgo
      @EddyKorgo Рік тому +3

      unlimited powwaaaaaa

  • @redinq
    @redinq Рік тому +24

    Love seeing the synergy between materials science and mechanical engineering here! Early days, but really exciting to see the different things people are coming up with to push 3D printing technology forward. Looking forward to seeing what people print with silicone!

  • @gulktroktet
    @gulktroktet Рік тому +11

    Really appreciate how much technical detail made it into this video. I could listen to this guy talk about 3d printing engineering for hours

  • @donsf
    @donsf Рік тому +7

    This is very cool. Also, watching @3DPDoctor make sure to credit all his collaborators was fantastic.

  • @JohnnyScoular
    @JohnnyScoular Рік тому +43

    Awesome! Im not sure I would buy one without seeing what the "current printer" could do though. Can't wait to see more on this.

    • @TML0677
      @TML0677 Рік тому +2

      sexbot industry is coming

    • @anonim1133
      @anonim1133 Рік тому

      @@TML0677 imagine all of those possibilities...

  • @MacGyverDad
    @MacGyverDad Рік тому +2

    I’m guessing the headline is to get views because this is not the first desktop silicone 3D printer I’ve seen. I’ve seen and spoken to a gentleman at several Rapid TCT 3D printing shows that had a nice little machine making medical grade parts. The silicone was LSR grade material. He was purchased by a bigger company (German company IIRC). This machine is using 2-component systems which looks pretty tricky as he explains, so kudos for getting a working prototype. 👍🏼

    • @Stephane1995
      @Stephane1995 Рік тому

      Perhaps you're thinking about spectroplast?

  • @mutlubasdas
    @mutlubasdas Рік тому +4

    It was an awesome video!! Thanks for finding gems like these bringing them to us!

  • @3DPrinterAcademy
    @3DPrinterAcademy Рік тому +1

    👀 11:20

  • @AgentPothead
    @AgentPothead Рік тому +2

    This is awesome somebody just asked me the other day about 3D printing silicone and I was like I think that's only for industrial uses still. Glad to be proven wrong so quick.

  • @puffinjuice
    @puffinjuice Рік тому +10

    Printing silicone is gonna change 3D printing! You can do soft and hard prints, it's chemically and thermally stable, it's incredibly tough. Can't wait to have a silicone printer!

    • @jeremyglover5541
      @jeremyglover5541 Рік тому +1

      Hmmm. I think i would still just print a mold with regular fff and then you can cast any material you like.

    • @Mr.Thermistor7228
      @Mr.Thermistor7228 Рік тому

      ​@@jeremyglover5541yea well I think I'm still gonna just use a CNC mill and carve blocks of titanium... dude totally different applications

  • @TheNextDecade
    @TheNextDecade Рік тому +15

    I used to work on what's called a PolyJet machine. it drove me absolutely crazy because the parts were always rubber and super cool, but thats if there wasnt a mis mix or layer shift super hard.
    If we could get these layers even smaller and increase definition, I bet this will be the tech that puts that older one to bed. Hella cool machine.

    • @ChrisVZ77
      @ChrisVZ77 Рік тому +3

      I think the PolyJet tech is the future for functional prints. It won't happen until StrataSys's patent expires though.

    • @jeremyglover5541
      @jeremyglover5541 Рік тому +1

      Well, you already can get good definition with regular printers designed to print soft TPU, so unless there is something you specifically need silicone for …

  • @Jandodev
    @Jandodev Рік тому +3

    Printing soft robotics is so cool!

  • @davec6113
    @davec6113 Рік тому +5

    Outstanding video! Thank you Joel and team! It's so cool to see how the industry is growing and in which directions.

  • @JonS
    @JonS Рік тому +14

    While it would add cost and complexity, an IDEX version with an FFF tool to print supports would allow for more complex structures. I presume any meaningful bridging is out of the question with this process, so removeable supports would open up a lot of otherwise inaccessible forms.

    • @odw32
      @odw32 Рік тому +3

      I think it would be even better to (also?) sell this as a kit without a printer:
      Just an external "extruder" box (including the compressor and related electronics), and the "hotend" part -- and allow consumers to install this on existing machines as if it were any other bowden extruder + hotend.

    • @ryanellis4383
      @ryanellis4383 Рік тому

      This would be an awesome toolchanger part for an E3D toolchanger machine or a Prusa XL.

    • @UNVIRUSLETALE
      @UNVIRUSLETALE Рік тому

      Especially with soluble materials

    • @katomkatom3856
      @katomkatom3856 Рік тому +1

      It’s actually a thing Lynxter S300X prints silicones and support with an IDEX approach

    • @JonS
      @JonS Рік тому

      @@katomkatom3856 Good to know. I see it's not available yet. They are taking pre-orders for shipping this year.

  • @xxportalxx.
    @xxportalxx. Рік тому +1

    Ngl when they were showing those 'soft tentacle robots' the whole time I'm thinking 'damn Japan is gonna wipe this man's inventory!'

  • @randomviewer896
    @randomviewer896 Рік тому +3

    This is a beautiful machine! I'd love to see this tech put onto another system with hot-swappable carriages, like the upcoming Prusa XL for example. it would go so well with soluble supports.

  • @davib8963
    @davib8963 Рік тому +8

    what a cool machine! About 90% of the parts I design for 3d printing are molds for casting complex silicone parts. i think that I have a hard time imagining of how I would use a machine like this, personally. Many of the demo parts here could be made easily, and with considerably more accuracy, with molds printed in PLA. I don't want to dunk on the machine though, that's some fantastic engineering here.

    • @TheHadi545
      @TheHadi545 Рік тому

      I feel these things will only improve however, keep in mind these are still early stages of design. I see your point tho, I think bringing down the time to finish a silicone piece is what’s also being done here, so rapid prototyping that can’t be achieved as easily or quickly with more “traditional” molds. 😊

    • @davib8963
      @davib8963 Рік тому

      @@TheHadi545 Oh for sure. I can imagine doing all sorts of intriguing things with infill patterns in silicone with a printer, or even embedding other materials into the silicone, or having control over the blend to control softness of the part in a very sophisticated way. Silicone is such a remarkable material. For rapid prototyping though, I can print a 2 or 3 part mold for that octopus object in PLA in a few hours that I can then cast silicone into by the end of the day. It does require some knowledge of mold design and familiarity with silicone mixing, but it ends up being a very quick thing to do when you know those things. Example: someone posted an anatomical model of a body organ on reddit a few months ago and I made a silicone copy of it by the next day. I don't think the 3-part mold design I did took any more than 30 minutes and i'm no expert/professional, just a rando making stuff in my spare time.

    • @davib8963
      @davib8963 Рік тому

      I had another thought about this. It occurs to me that you can go the other direction with this material to do a 3d printer. Silicone can be rendered liquid, to be painted as with an airbrush. It should be possible to print silicone using a technology that does spray depositing to get extreme detail, like in a polyjet printer. You could surely print highly detailed medical parts this way. I've never heard of this being done before, maybe someone will put the time in to develop it more fully.

    • @TheHadi545
      @TheHadi545 Рік тому

      @@davib8963 very cool, love the ideas of using such a printer. Infill composition mix and layout etc.. I got some silicon mold to try out, but it does not come very cheap. What material would you pour most? Whats interesting?

    • @davib8963
      @davib8963 Рік тому

      @@TheHadi545 material for casting into silicone molds, so many things to try. many, many interesting polyurethane resins, foams, plaster cements.

  • @DoctorNemmo
    @DoctorNemmo Рік тому

    Those silicon octopuses would make The Deep so happy.

  • @UbberMapper
    @UbberMapper Рік тому +2

    prints are rough but still awesome...excited to see this developed.

  • @l0I0I0I0
    @l0I0I0I0 Рік тому +3

    Combining diff colors is genius! Congrats!

  • @Zebra_M
    @Zebra_M Рік тому +6

    Well that is going to be used for uh. Things.

  • @BabyJesus66
    @BabyJesus66 Рік тому +1

    Time to start that personal use Fleshlight factory I've always wanted to make.

  • @ivovass195
    @ivovass195 Рік тому +3

    Very interesting, glad to see the 3d print everything attitude nowadays with such a variety of materials including silicone that I didn't know was even a possibility. Cool stuff

  • @NathanCroucher
    @NathanCroucher Рік тому

    11:12 Dr's making the world a better place..... I look forward to this tech in 30-40 years. No more chopstick and sticky tape.

  • @rommelfcc
    @rommelfcc Рік тому +1

    You have to redesign the octopus to have air channels in the tentacles, and connected to 8 syringes long tubes, the can puppeteer the octopus with a team of puppeteers...
    A lot of work put that would look really cool...
    Hmm you'll need to use some muscle/tendon tech so the physicals can actually grab objects, like the hot wire that can shrink, or servos...

  • @davidgeiger
    @davidgeiger Рік тому

    That bit about the collapsing 3D printed concrete made me think has anyone looked at 3D printing the ICF forms in place to be filled later with traditional concrete pours?

  • @avocadoarms358
    @avocadoarms358 Рік тому +1

    You should really colab with @properprinting he's making his own FDM printer that prints and cures resin... please go show him some love he's struggling with momentum at the moment and deserves a lot more subs than he has

  • @chikodarkzcaguaii
    @chikodarkzcaguaii Рік тому

    this thing is next gen
    maybe in a couple years later this will be revolutionary

  • @notaste6002
    @notaste6002 Рік тому +1

    Similar to my 3d bioprinter Iam developing in my PhD study. Cool! Shame we didn't get to see the mixing toolhead (active or passive?) Since I need a passive mixing tool head for mixing colagen with stem cells and medium.

  • @WMBayouLures
    @WMBayouLures Рік тому +1

    This is cool, can't wait until this is available!

  • @outbakjak
    @outbakjak Рік тому

    Anyone else notice the adorable derpy smiley face in the extruder? 😂

  • @vysakhak191
    @vysakhak191 Рік тому +2

    Imagine the possibilities! 😏

    • @EddyKorgo
      @EddyKorgo Рік тому

      imagine all the compressors and tubes to make it move. pure Frankenstein toys... i mean tools

  • @EddyKorgo
    @EddyKorgo Рік тому +2

    I love soft robotics xD I see where this going

  • @nelsonthekinger
    @nelsonthekinger Рік тому

    Congrats man, what a cool stuff!

  • @3DMusketeers
    @3DMusketeers Рік тому +3

    VERY COOL! We often get asked about Silicone 3D Printing and previously it was just not possible on a desktop level. Great to see some strides being made!

  • @NexGen-3D
    @NexGen-3D Рік тому +2

    Great work, I didn't know this guy existed, checking out his channel now.

  • @StarkRG
    @StarkRG Рік тому +1

    I've been wanting to be able to print with silicone, either directly producing silicone moulds or printing dog toys. I wonder if you could create a hollow interior by using an inflated latex balloon as support structure.

  • @craftykid3d
    @craftykid3d Рік тому +1

    This is incredible. I love innovation! 3D Printing Doctor you’re a wizard

  • @1trickpwny
    @1trickpwny Рік тому

    WTF the printer was amazing, but that outro was 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @zac2877
    @zac2877 11 місяців тому

    at the rate were going, we, as 3d printing community, get to ride the wave of new techology all the way to the beach. Thank you for this.

  • @burnout.c
    @burnout.c Рік тому +3

    That seems like a ton of research jobs done! But in terms of comercializing, looks like there is still a long way ahead. We actually got a local manufacturer here in Taiwan that sells medical grade silicone 3D printers (that;s what they claim). It's called San Draw.

  • @clutch2827
    @clutch2827 Рік тому

    Size queens everywhere cried out with excitement.

  • @rojoricardo
    @rojoricardo Рік тому +1

    Is there a posibility to submerge the print in a liquid so that instead of collapsing after 30cm it could go longer?

  • @noahj3620
    @noahj3620 Рік тому

    I’m stuck between purchasing either the bambulabs p1p or the Ender 3 s1 pro. Thoughts?

  • @didemkiryaman1933
    @didemkiryaman1933 Рік тому +1

    Wow! Very impressive and informative video 😍

  • @tejeshwvardhan1165
    @tejeshwvardhan1165 Рік тому

    adding IR lamp for heating will improve curing time!

  • @indeliblyronnie
    @indeliblyronnie Рік тому

    Heyyyyyy, I worked with him for a summer at Oregon state university. I designed and tested early versions of the mixing nozzle! This is wild to see

  • @nikitindiz
    @nikitindiz Рік тому +1

    This is awesome project!

  • @nuchbutter
    @nuchbutter Рік тому +2

    Dang. I've been using my Formlabs Form 3 to create complex casting molds for two part silicone components. So messy...

  • @burakciftci
    @burakciftci Рік тому +1

    Tebrikler, başarılarınızın devamını dilerim.
    Congrats and wish the best for you.

  • @mutlubasdas
    @mutlubasdas Рік тому +2

    Doğan! Tebrikler! Çok güzel bir alet olmuş. Elinize sağlık!

  • @poodlescone9700
    @poodlescone9700 Рік тому

    This machine would be the perfect solution to print molds.

  • @OtaconEmmerich
    @OtaconEmmerich Рік тому

    I can't wait to see the new models! Very interested in some projects for this.

  • @poodlescone9700
    @poodlescone9700 Рік тому

    I can see a silicone printer excel for reproducing automotive seals for out of production cars. Used ones in good condition for some models are hundreds of dollars each.

  • @SoloGamingZA
    @SoloGamingZA Рік тому +2

    Joel you must have a look at Proper Printing he recently made a working FFF resin printer... and I mean FFF style printing with resin using 2 lasers to cure the resin as you print from it.. Still not perfect but he is getting pretty close with it.

  • @mode3763
    @mode3763 Рік тому

    We making it outta Bad Dragon's den with this one 🔥🔥🔥

  • @MrJoerT
    @MrJoerT Рік тому

    Really curious what that custom PCB does for the pumps. I would expect klipper with an octopus to run pretty much anything you'd want, without the need for anything custom. Maybe a MOSFET

  • @briancarnes4062
    @briancarnes4062 Рік тому

    I assume the material is a proprietary one. Is the material vulcanizable? is it platinum or tin cure and what are the temp deflection characteristics?

  • @도둘리-i7k
    @도둘리-i7k Рік тому

    I totally agree that it's gonna impact on robotics if the print on the market with the price mentioned!!!

  • @waynefilkins8394
    @waynefilkins8394 Рік тому +2

    Some day they will combine all this stuff and we'll have printers printing literally anything, no matter what variety of materials they are made out of. Like in sci fi movies when they print like a gun, or a meal, or anything regardless of material. That's going to be a long ways out though and likely require several material cartridges and several various extruders in each machine.

    • @EddyKorgo
      @EddyKorgo Рік тому

      Stem cell printer i guess. stem cell can turn its self into any kind of bio cell. soft, hard what ever

  • @LincolnWorld
    @LincolnWorld Рік тому +1

    Thanks for sharing this with us Joel! I'd love to see more videos like this sharing unique 3D printers. High-5!

  • @BenMillen
    @BenMillen Рік тому +1

    Joel holding avatar anatomy whilst it gets excited.....

  • @pirobot668beta
    @pirobot668beta Рік тому +1

    Would fiber-filled phenolic resins work in your printer?
    Are you gonna be printing 'Bakelite' next?
    Novolac epoxies, alkali activated inorganic zeolites, eutectic alloys, amalgams, ceramics, glass.
    Some of the parts are gonna print 'green' and might need post-processing or kiln-time, but printing really durable parts would be nice.
    'Active chemistry' in the Hot-end is gonna re-shape how we think about printing.
    Did you take a walk outside today?

  • @ReinisLusis
    @ReinisLusis Рік тому

    How does uncured silicone stick to already cured?

  • @peterscheler
    @peterscheler Рік тому +5

    🤔 Not sure if this is really the world's first desktop silicone printer.
    AFAIK there is an Inkjet 3D printer by Keyence that prints silicone too. It's called Agilista. But I don't know when it was released.

    • @larss8233
      @larss8233 Рік тому +2

      Your partially right, the one made by Keyence only prints silicone of around 80% silicone in the material, with additives to make it cure in UV light. So its not quite silicone and with a huge different in mechanical properties as well.

    • @bradleykoren-ff2pc
      @bradleykoren-ff2pc Рік тому

      There are some RTV silicone printers out there and from Innovatiq a injection molding grade silicone printer.

  • @agoffgrid640
    @agoffgrid640 Рік тому +1

    Iy never fails to amazing what we keep comming up with and getting out there. So much of this stuff, even today, is seen as magic by soooo many people that don't even know we dose so much commanly now that was just a dream a few years ago.

  • @russ-techindustries
    @russ-techindustries Рік тому +2

    Really awesome stuff.

  • @fpvbuilds2023
    @fpvbuilds2023 Рік тому

    Couldnt you do alot of the similar stuff with a softee tpu like ninja flex?

  • @db345t
    @db345t Рік тому

    thought of using pva filamint fdm style to support the higher parts without colaspe

  • @Chak666
    @Chak666 Рік тому

    looking forward for hard angled shapes being printed this way

  • @mcdjacedad7359
    @mcdjacedad7359 Рік тому

    Looks really cool

  • @Jp-ue8xz
    @Jp-ue8xz Рік тому +1

    hundreds of thousands of sxshop owners around the world cry in despair as they realize many kinky humans will now be able to print their personally customized kinky toys at home

  • @maklog867
    @maklog867 Рік тому

    I have build my own custom made 3D concrete/mortar printer from Ender3 and custom made printhead. Also created proper mortar for that.

  • @Ivan-pi6ur
    @Ivan-pi6ur Рік тому

    oh man, the possibilities 🤤😈

  • @Just-jl5rb
    @Just-jl5rb Рік тому

    Great video! Very informative and helped us make a decision on whether or not to buy this! We will, looks like a great product! Thank you!

  • @oldblinddarby2498
    @oldblinddarby2498 11 місяців тому

    If you used peristaltic pumps instead of syringes as a fluid pump, you could achieve far more accurate fluid control

  • @Crono099
    @Crono099 Рік тому

    Love the product and supper love the outro

  • @kurtnelle
    @kurtnelle Рік тому

    I wonder if sub zero temps would keep the structure from collapsing at heights greater than 30 cm.

  • @nerddub
    @nerddub Рік тому +1

    would love to see a SLA version of this, maybe using a novel targeted heating matrix, using hixels (heat pixels) patent pending.

  • @Siphonife
    @Siphonife Рік тому

    This is very cool!

  • @zableri3365
    @zableri3365 Рік тому

    So many possibilities

  • @woofer2121
    @woofer2121 Рік тому

    i struggle with stopped up fdm nozzles and throats this seams like a different level of hell

  • @EliasIwaschkin
    @EliasIwaschkin Рік тому

    Hey guys you can print a silicone model on a human skelet? It's really or future fantasia?

  • @javachopTV
    @javachopTV 9 місяців тому

    MODULAR FLESHLIGHTS IMMINENT

  • @SaHaRaSquad
    @SaHaRaSquad Рік тому

    If I'm being honest while this is pretty cool tech it doesn't feel like dealing with all those complications is worth it compared to creating a mould for casting on a normal printer, which lets you eliminate layer lines with some effort and also produce multiple parts. But maybe I'm wrong, I'm not a silicone expert.

  • @benedictchoong
    @benedictchoong Рік тому

    I would like to see the prints with supports and overhang, i think it would be interesting

  • @RamKumar-zn6vj
    @RamKumar-zn6vj Рік тому

    What are the advantages of using silicone instead of plastic?

  • @markl8111
    @markl8111 Рік тому

    That's awesome

  • @rhyboy1
    @rhyboy1 Рік тому

    9:47 .... my brain went their straight away.... am i going to hell?

  • @noconz0727
    @noconz0727 Рік тому

    Why is quality unavailable?

  • @hagonta
    @hagonta Рік тому +2

    Doğan arkadaşımıza da buradan selamlar. Dinlerken bir Türk olduğunu anladım. güzel iş tebrikler. yapmayı düşündüğüm birşeydi, UV kullanarak yapma niyetindeydim başka bir türünü.

    • @3DPDoctor
      @3DPDoctor Рік тому +1

      Tesekkurler. UV versionunu da yaptim. Multi material diw uzerine paper imi nature communication materials journal in da okuyabilirsin

  • @off-gridhillbillystyle3735
    @off-gridhillbillystyle3735 Рік тому

    Where can I buy this ?

  • @GoodEnoughVenson_sigueacristo

    I hope that they can get that layer height way down.. Also, wouldn't it be easier to look at printable and dissolvable molds instead of directly printing the silicone?

  • @KW-jj9uy
    @KW-jj9uy Рік тому +1

    Not bad, i am also familliar with UV silicone printing, and inket silicone printing. My application need large print volumes tho

  • @DeimosSaturn
    @DeimosSaturn Рік тому +1

    I feel like it would have just been simpler to 3D print casts with injection ports, inject the silicone in the ports of the cast, wait for it to cure, then dissolve the cast in a solvent that is safe for the silicone.
    Also, why you 3D printing a silicone tube?????? hmmmm??????

  • @thebluestig2654
    @thebluestig2654 Рік тому +1

    If they can successfully get pliable soft silicone to print, all the "adult toy" makers are instantly out of business.

  • @l0I0I0I0
    @l0I0I0I0 Рік тому +1

    Would a silicon layer in a house be a perfect way to store heat energy?

    • @orngjce223
      @orngjce223 Рік тому

      Maybe, but it would be both really expensive and a total waste of the other properties of silicone. Fiberglass and a vapor barrier is more common, cheaper, easier to install, and good enough for almost any application. Further storing extra heat energy can be accomplished with water in, like, a radiator or something.

  • @woodwaker1
    @woodwaker1 Рік тому +1

    Interesting concept and design. Will be curious what this evolves into.

    • @lgtwzrd
      @lgtwzrd Рік тому +1

      Sex gadgets of course.

    • @woodwaker1
      @woodwaker1 Рік тому

      @@lgtwzrd I didn't think of that. I will admit the print with the pump looked suspicious