What Made Gibson's "PRO" Model Special? | 1977 Gibson Les Paul Pro Deluxe History, Review + Demo
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📚Description: The Gibson "Pro" Deluxe is often just a footnote in Gibson's history and barely talked about but in doing a deep dive on the history of this model I came across some unique things! The Pro Deluxe was produced from late-1975 until 1982, but the main production years were 1976-1980. Versus a normal deluxe, it featured an ebony fretboard and p90 pickups instead of rosewood+mini humbuckers. Additional differences include the PRO model getting the better Gibson-branded Schaller M6 tuners and speed knobs before the 1978 transitioning point for other guitars. Neal Schon of Journey fame used one of these, but he later routed it for humbuckers and a floyd rose! It recently sold at auction for $250,000.
0:00 - Intro
0:15 - Les Paul Deluxe History
1:14 - The PRO Deluxe History + Colors
1:58 - PRO Deluxe vs Deluxe Differences
3:28 - Years of Production PRO Deluxe
4:43 - Spec Variations
5:44 - Famous User
6:10 - Workbench / Specs
17:31 - Clean Tones
18:58 - Dirty Tones
20:24 - Mini Humbuckers vs P90s Same Amp / Settings For Comparison
21:54 - Final Thoughts
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Austin, as a plastics injection molder I can tell you exactly what those marks on the pickup covers are. The round ones are the indentations left by ejector pins, meant to kick the part out of the mold after the cycle is complete. The “hash marks” on the inside were almost certainly put in the because the parts were sticking to the wrong side of the injection mold. Those would have been cut into the mold itself to facilitate the part holding onto what we call the “ejector side “ or “b side” of the mold.
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Are you an plastics injection molder or moUlder? Difference in US and UK English spellings maybe.
@@garethhawkins4710 different countries, different spelling, exact same meaning. Like color vs colour or favor vs favour.
@@garethhawkins4710 definitely molder, definitely not UK. Absolutely been in the industry for over 25 years 👍
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The back-of-the headstock pic at 2:32 has a sticker from Bobby's Music in Denver, the premier shop during the '70s and '80s. Bought a lot of stuff there back in the day, and have very fond memories!
Marc Ford also used one of these during the Amorica and Three Snakes era of the Black Crowes. You can see him playing it live on some videos like on a live version of Wiser Time. Love these so much.
Thats such a keeper!! The ebony fretboard makes it so special, or... pro, I should say.
I have an all orig NM '78 LP Pro Deluxe in black just like that one. Got it years ago. Hanoi Rocks guitarist Nasty Suicide played one, was his main guitar. I took the pick guard off and that's when that guitar really looks fantastic. The black against the dull white P90s is awesome. And that bridge pickup is absolutely great. Run straight into a JMP or AC30. Here's the only problem with owning a NM vintage black LP, I'm hesitant to play it because it's so hard to find one NM in black. Every tiny ding and scratch shows up on a black finish. It's maybe the coolest looking guitar I own except for my late 70's 7593 Falcons.
This was my first LP. I played it to death. The neck warped and couldn’t be salvaged. It was a bummer. I would not pay $3,500 for the guitar. The late 70s Norlin-era builds were not Gibson’s finest hour.
I have 06 113478, how cool! It is ebony with the same Schaller tuners but was routed for humbuckers by the time I bought it in 1980. Because the neck pickup route is right against the neck, it may have been a Pro. My number one for decades!
Ive been waiting years for you to review one of these Pro Deluxes!
I have a 76 Deluxe, it has bushings installed like a bridge mount. On my 76 Deluxe with minis has the jack plate is metal like music should be.
How would you have coil splits on a single-coil guitar?
I think the guy from the Bullet Boys played an ebony Pro too
Have a Pro very similar to your black example. Great guitar! However, it's a bit heavy at 12 lb 8 oz!!
9 times out of 10 old stickers of the past will leave a finish issue….
My experience with old stickers like the one in this episode, it leaves a noticeable impression 100% of the time. I agree, leave them on.
A slight neck twist, so that the bass strings naturally have slightly more relief than the treble strings, is actually an advantage as the bass strings need more space to vibrate anyways. A twist in the other direction, not so good, crappy situation!
Love the Pro Deluxe. I actually have a 77 LP Custom with that same Bobbys Music in Denver, CO sticker on the same place of the headstock. I used to live in that area.
DUDE! I JUST looked at a '69 Gold Top Deluxe at Killer Vintage here in St. Louis today!!!
Difference in the winding color is what coating they used to insulate the actual wire.
Transylwania
Thanks for the P90 / mini humbucker comparison!
Good informational video. I love when you include the price lists.
Oh man finally, and just after I got my pro deluxe flood guitar you featured in that episode. I got the headstock glued back together and the body glued back, still can see some of the splits in the top but plays and sounds great. Hoping to do a regret soon. Also btw it did have the original clear bobbin p90 in the neck and a super distortion in the bridge with a phase switch.
Wow green pickup windings how cool !!
I got to play an actual vintage Gibson for the first time yesterday, I've gotta say I loved it
I have a stock 78 Deluxe. Love my minihumbuckers. Warm tone with unending sustain. It's my magic guitar.
Trogly’s awesome! My favorite to watch. I don't watch anything else as much as I watch Trogly’s guitar show. Thank you, Trogly 😊
That pro is in phenomenal shape for it's age bummer on the truss rod and neck 😢
Austin I went to see Journey last week in the third row. Neil was playing the new Les Paul Supreme and Jonathan was playing the new SG Supreme
You can tell a 1969 Deluxe from 1970 and on- the pre 1970 Deluxe has no “dot” above the “I”. It did not show up until early in 1970. If you have one with 1970 pots, but no “dot” above the “I”, the body/neck were produced in 1969 and the electronics possible added in January 1970. Just a bit of Gibson history. I love my Goldtop Deluxe, all original and just sounds so unique!
That Journey sounded legit
Interesting. My 1980 LP Firebrand has those tuners, same speed knobs and ebony fret board. T top hum buckers though. Plays and sounds great.
I had a black one like that but with humbuckers installed. Really great guitar kinda wish I kept
It.
I've got to look in the collection. I think I have one of those in black also.
Got so many, you can't remember what you've got 🥺
Did you see the blue explorer with double scratch plate that Richie Faulkner played at recent shows? Looks awesome.
799 in 1977 dollars translates to ~$4100 today, for people who say X guitar isn't worth Y price.
The 2024 Deluxe 70s is $2800 today. If they offered a Pro, at the same markup, ~$3100. Likely a better guitar.
Hooray for CNC & Asian competition?
Whats the song played at 19:15
I had one. Same year. It was heavy!
The guitar in the video has the original wiring and capacitors. The pot common ground is the metal plate which is not as effective as a soldered wired ground. The use of the pot body as part of the circuit, leg soldered to body, seems a little strange, also then relying on the pot screw down plate attached as part of the ground, even more strange, given the metal parts of the pots are hidden below the knobs, so why does the pot body need to be grounded if you cannot touch it? Okay, there is an attempt to shield the circuitry, with the pot plate and cover, but you could also run a common ground, and then choose how you would want the shield grounded (direct, resistor, or capacitor). Except for the pickups, all the point to point wiring is 20 AWG and insulation PVC. The switch cable three conductor with shield and drain wire, which is used as the ground, is the very common PVC slate colored jacket wire. To reduce noise the pickup select switch should be moved very close to the pots. Also, it looks like there is no ground (of any kind) going to the bridge..
I think the non-layered body mid 70s deluxe pro guitars (no parting lines), have an ebony fretboard and a rosewood neck. As such, the P90s would be replaced, many times with a neck single coil and a bridge humbucker, much like you discovered in the video. The deluxe pro is an excellent guitar to mod because of the outstanding neck and fretboard, stainless steel frets, up graded machine heads and a 12 inch neck radius. For it's time the neck is extremely fast.
Was this one listed at Chicago music exchange? That is my birthday guitar. 113th day of 1977.
This one has different t knobs than the one a few months ago at CME crazy both are my bday serial numbers
Now that's my kind of guitar! A Gibson with P90's, f**k yeah! Not usually the biggest fan of ebony guitars either but for some reason when it comes to this one, like the great man says "It just works!" lol
I’m slowly coming around to Gibsons but the necks are just too big for my smaller hands. These deluxes are the best option I have, what year do you recommend I get for a deluxe if I wanted something easier for small hands?
Sg can be slim n small
The L6S has a narrower neck and can feel cramped for those with bigger hands. Typically 1 9/16" (39.69 mm).
Try
Yeah, like @zeusapollo8688 said, later 60's/earlier 70's SG's have very thin necks. Gibson reduced the nut width by an eighth of an inch on all their guitars for the best part of a decade so maybe try one from this era.
Neal Schon used a modified version of this guitar to record "Don't Stop Believin'"
Interesting. I have a 2014 pro III but it’s modern with push push nobs & decibel booster.
I bought one of these back then. It was a great guitar
Lizzy!!!
That green would actually look pretty cool on that finish!!!
the factorio background music was unexpected and appreciated
Neil Schon had 2 famous gibsons the Pro Delux and the Super Custom, and Schon has re-linked up with GIbson and is due to have a Custom Shop guitar to appear probably in 2026
Beautiful guitar. I do prefer the smaller headstock though.
I have a cherry I bought in garland Texas in 88
I own a 1980 Les Paul Pro is cherry burst. It has the plainest top you've ever seen, just one tiny spot of curl in one of 5 pieces of the top, although one of the 3 pieces of the neck has a ton of flame.
P-90 are just so great for Rock'n'roll rhythm, the hum though.....
Sounds great
Love it , sounds great !!...I need one ! ....one day ,...Thanks Trog !
What was the date when Neal purchased his?
When are we getting more Guitar From the Stars or whatever it’s Called?
Man, that mini Humbucker LP kinda stole the show from The Pro.
If you do a Marshall setup, you could take a more modern sound and get right back to the 70s by switching to a minibucker guitar. Same with Firebird pickups.
I wonder if country guys like 'em, sounds like a good choice for it.
That's my Holy Grail guitar.
Very nice.
Nice.
What's the song at 21:25?
Any way you want it by journey.
@@Winstonrodney6989 thank you mate!
There would not be coil splitting pots on a single coil pickup guitar anyway 😢
Series/parallel - in/out of phase - tap - there are things you can do with p90s, but you're not, not with two conductor ones like this
53rd week of 1976???????
Glad I wasn’t only one that heard that
Yes, we were lied to in school. It’s a quirk of when the year began.
Leap year 😂
They added one because of the bicentennial.
It’s because 1976 was a leap year
What's with all the quarters on your table? 🤔
A neck will not twist from the truss rod alone, something else has to be wrong, like a bad piece of wood, grain direction or something else. And, the number of threads sticking out can’t always be credited to an “over adjusted” neck, there can be a number of reasons for more threads I.E. compression of the wood, at either end of the rod, the rod was cut a bit long or installed slightly forward or something else. People are way to hard on truss rod threads sticking out. Beside there are plenty of threads in there to make further adjustments.
The twist will be caused by incorrect adjustment and string tension.
Could try slackening off and carefully applying weight over several days. Take care!
Neal Schon！
Damn, that's light for this model...
The mini buckers remind me of the stuff in the 70's that annoyed me. Like trying to turn a Les Paul into a stunted version of it's self in an effort to replicate a Tele. -- Thankfully the pedal market grew like crazy during the 70's. JMO LoL it was a different era.
Somebody took very good care of that guitar!
Trogy, i can't play worth a shit,but painted auto's for 20 years,lacquer and polyurethane finishes,when you polish,everything should be clean and dust free,in between polishings cleanthe area with glass WITH amonia.this will help withl remove swirls, and after wiping with a clean microfiber, wax it with good carnauba wax liquid or paste 3m or meguiars.youl be impressed.
You know you can buff out most of that with a buffer if you know what you are doing
So... Nashville factory or Kalamazoo factory?? 🤔🤔🤔
Z is for late. I love P-90s over minis.
Q is for let’s get rid of that from-under cheese!
Gibson making the "Stacy Malibu now with Hat" since 1955 😂😂😂😂😂
Ebony is the elite playing surface. Nothing comes close in my mind.
Needed a pickgaurd guard 😂
Shocking to send a filthy guitar for consignment.
Hope you charge an extra fee.
They'll take a big hit for the twisted neck and maxxed truss rod.
Could be from a deceased estate I suppose.
Personally, I prefer the witch hats, I think the speed knobs look cheap and nasty.
What up everyone?!
Hey Trogly and the Troglodytes!
That seems really unique to find 53rd week pot codes. 1976 did have 53 weeks,
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Killer pups!🎸👍
I’ll take P90s over mini humbuckers any day
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@@michaelpacinus242 lol. "Blah" was meant in a good way, not bad
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