Constantine, I can't think of a better Pathfinder in a world where it's so easy to get lost. 👍👍 This is a great video for everyone, including me. Thanks for sharing with us.
After watching this video, it seems that when PP is off, the ZV-E1 shows noticeable noise starting from ISO 160. However, the A7C2 looks good up to ISO 1250. As the UA-camr mentioned, unless you need to shoot in extreme low-light conditions requiring ISO 1600, the A7C2 seems like a great option for photography as well!
If you don't need ISO higher than 1600, then yes, A7cii has better performance. It always depends on what kind of shooting environment you're in and which ISO number you most frequently use.
@@ConstantineSPhotography Hello, Today, I compared the Sony A7C II, ZV-E1, and A7CR as closely as possible at the Sony Store. I shot portraits at around upper-body size, and at ISO 100, all cameras produced good results. Since the ZV-E1's second base ISO is 1600 when using no picture profile, I set all cameras to ISO 1250 for consistency during the comparison. I was somewhat surprised to find that the A7CR exhibited less noise, especially around the eyes and darker areas. Although the A7C II also delivered great results, the A7CR performed the best in terms of noise control. On the other hand, the ZV-E1 showed noticeable noise in comparison. For the third test, I used the ZV-E1 with a Speedlite at night. The image quality at ISO 100 wasn’t bad, but when shooting full-body photos, the ZV-E1's resolution felt somewhat lacking. Additionally, at ISO 400, while noise reduction improved the image, it looked slightly softened, resulting in just average quality. In the end, I decided to purchase the A7C II and sell the ZV-E1. My decision was influenced by previous noise tests of the A7C II conducted by you, which aligned with my findings today. Considering that the A7C II’s second base ISO is 400, it seems like the most suitable camera for me. It also showed significantly better noise control compared to the ZV-E1 at ISO 1250. I previously owned the A7M4, but since I was focused on video, I became dissatisfied with its autofocus performance on moving subjects and its limitations in capturing brighter footage at night. That’s why I decided to sell it and get the ZV-E1. At the time, I didn’t realize that ISO 1250 offered decent noise control. Given that I have bright lenses, I now believe that this level of performance should be good enough for night video shooting as well.
Thanks for sharing, I'm glad you're satisfied with the a7cii. I used to be a74 user too, but my reason to switch to a7cii is because I don't need two card slots and a7cii's compact size fits my need better. And of course a7cr is a great choice, but it's also much more expensive, I would say a7cii is of the best value considering every aspect.
Thank you for doing this, this was my suggestion on your last video. I think it can be summarised as follows. ZVE1 is better at very low light.BUT if an Slog shooter ‘most’ people may find the lower dual base ISO more practical on the A7Cii because its second base ISO is still good enough and it has lower noise until getting toward 12800. But if you are prepared to set it up, use ND filters etc even in low light, the ZVE1 can shoot cleaner in darker conditions. If shooting S Cinetone in dark conditions the ZVE1 is better and it is fairly practical to use. I did suggest the ZVE1could be more clear cut better for low light S Cinetone and I think this proves it.
Great! I've just been looking for that. And can you please test both cameras in 4k 60fps where a7c2 is in aps-c mode by default. I've noticed a much noise in s-cinetone pp at iso levels between 2000 and 5000.
I’m glad you find it helpful. It is for sure that crop mode will have more noise than full frame. For crop mode I probably won’t use iso higher than 3200.
It is said to have the same sensor as the a6700 and fx30, so theoretically it should have dual iso at 800 and 2500, but I don't have these cameras so I can't confirm it.
For my preference I would like Sony made 6400 as second base for a7sIII. The iso12800 has a lot noise reduction goes on if they lower to 6400 it would be nicer and more practical iso range for low light.
I have a7c ii and I would like to shoot at s cine tone for harbour view however it is seems too noisy in iso 3200. I have already use aperture 2.8 and I am wondering how to solve it You can find the video in my UA-cam I think it is quite unacceptable but if I shoot in slog 3. It is difficult for color grading
If you have to use ISO3200, s-log3 is your best solution. You don't need complicated color grading, just apply a s-log3 to rec709 correction lut to it.
If you need low light s-cinetone, ZVE1 offers second base iso at ISO2000. I would suggest adding more light in your environment, and if that's not an option, try different lenses. But I doubt the effect of using a larger aperture lens, even if you buy a f1.4 lens, it's only one stop brighter.
Constantine, I can't think of a better Pathfinder in a world where it's so easy to get lost. 👍👍 This is a great video for everyone, including me. Thanks for sharing with us.
Thanks for supporting! Really appreciate it!
Thank you for the video! Now I am just happy with the 2nd base ISO of 2000 of S-Cinetone plus a f1.4 lens to avoid Colour grading of S-log3!
If you like the color of s-cinetone , that’s the way to go 😊
Same as me. I shot a video at Walt Disney World, all shot on my 20mm F1.8 SCinetone and it was very good at night.
After watching this video, it seems that when PP is off, the ZV-E1 shows noticeable noise starting from ISO 160. However, the A7C2 looks good up to ISO 1250. As the UA-camr mentioned, unless you need to shoot in extreme low-light conditions requiring ISO 1600, the A7C2 seems like a great option for photography as well!
If you don't need ISO higher than 1600, then yes, A7cii has better performance. It always depends on what kind of shooting environment you're in and which ISO number you most frequently use.
@@ConstantineSPhotography Thank you! I'm thinking of keeping 2 ZV-E1s for video and A7C2s for photos.
@@여행영상-d1e if budget is not a problem, it’d be great to have both for different purposes. Feel free to let me know your feedbacks!
@@ConstantineSPhotography
Hello,
Today, I compared the Sony A7C II, ZV-E1, and A7CR as closely as possible at the Sony Store. I shot portraits at around upper-body size, and at ISO 100, all cameras produced good results.
Since the ZV-E1's second base ISO is 1600 when using no picture profile, I set all cameras to ISO 1250 for consistency during the comparison. I was somewhat surprised to find that the A7CR exhibited less noise, especially around the eyes and darker areas. Although the A7C II also delivered great results, the A7CR performed the best in terms of noise control. On the other hand, the ZV-E1 showed noticeable noise in comparison.
For the third test, I used the ZV-E1 with a Speedlite at night. The image quality at ISO 100 wasn’t bad, but when shooting full-body photos, the ZV-E1's resolution felt somewhat lacking. Additionally, at ISO 400, while noise reduction improved the image, it looked slightly softened, resulting in just average quality.
In the end, I decided to purchase the A7C II and sell the ZV-E1. My decision was influenced by previous noise tests of the A7C II conducted by you, which aligned with my findings today. Considering that the A7C II’s second base ISO is 400, it seems like the most suitable camera for me. It also showed significantly better noise control compared to the ZV-E1 at ISO 1250.
I previously owned the A7M4, but since I was focused on video, I became dissatisfied with its autofocus performance on moving subjects and its limitations in capturing brighter footage at night. That’s why I decided to sell it and get the ZV-E1.
At the time, I didn’t realize that ISO 1250 offered decent noise control. Given that I have bright lenses, I now believe that this level of performance should be good enough for night video shooting as well.
Thanks for sharing, I'm glad you're satisfied with the a7cii. I used to be a74 user too, but my reason to switch to a7cii is because I don't need two card slots and a7cii's compact size fits my need better. And of course a7cr is a great choice, but it's also much more expensive, I would say a7cii is of the best value considering every aspect.
Thank you for doing this, this was my suggestion on your last video.
I think it can be summarised as follows.
ZVE1 is better at very low light.BUT if an Slog shooter ‘most’ people may find the lower dual base ISO more practical on the A7Cii because its second base ISO is still good enough and it has lower noise until getting toward 12800. But if you are prepared to set it up, use ND filters etc even in low light, the ZVE1 can shoot cleaner in darker conditions.
If shooting S Cinetone in dark conditions the ZVE1 is better and it is fairly practical to use.
I did suggest the ZVE1could be more clear cut better for low light S Cinetone and I think this proves it.
Thanks! I think your conclusion could help those new to zve1 and a7cii's low light setting.
Great! I've just been looking for that. And can you please test both cameras in 4k 60fps where a7c2 is in aps-c mode by default. I've noticed a much noise in s-cinetone pp at iso levels between 2000 and 5000.
I’m glad you find it helpful. It is for sure that crop mode will have more noise than full frame. For crop mode I probably won’t use iso higher than 3200.
zve10ii have dual iso?
It is said to have the same sensor as the a6700 and fx30, so theoretically it should have dual iso at 800 and 2500, but I don't have these cameras so I can't confirm it.
In slog3, is the ZVE1 at 12800 cleaner than A7Cii at 10,000 iso? In your example it looks almost identical in terms of noise.
I just took a look and I agree with you. It looks almost identical.
On the ZVE1, would 12800 ISO with ND better than just a few step above first base ISO, let say 1600 for instance ?
I just checked the 1600 vs 12800 footages, they look very similar to me.
@@ConstantineSPhotography thank for having checked. I have ordered both cameras myself, I will do some additional tests.
For my preference I would like Sony made 6400 as second base for a7sIII. The iso12800 has a lot noise reduction goes on if they lower to 6400 it would be nicer and more practical iso range for low light.
I agree 6400 would be more practical for a lot of people
I have a7c ii and I would like to shoot at s cine tone for harbour view however it is seems too noisy in iso 3200. I have already use aperture 2.8 and I am wondering how to solve it
You can find the video in my UA-cam
I think it is quite unacceptable but if I shoot in slog 3. It is difficult for color grading
If you have to use ISO3200, s-log3 is your best solution. You don't need complicated color grading, just apply a s-log3 to rec709 correction lut to it.
@@ConstantineSPhotography but I prefer s-cinetone. it is more cinematic. should i purchase a new lens for lower apertureis?
If you need low light s-cinetone, ZVE1 offers second base iso at ISO2000.
I would suggest adding more light in your environment, and if that's not an option, try different lenses. But I doubt the effect of using a larger aperture lens, even if you buy a f1.4 lens, it's only one stop brighter.
Didn't realize that from 800-10000 A7cii is much cleaner than ZV-E1, I thought ZV-E1 should be cleaner since it has much larger pixels?
@@loganhallucinates true but that’s how dual base ISO works
Awesome video
Thanks 😊 really appreciate it!
Sony zv-e10 dual base iso
I don’t think zve10 has dual base iso