I just found out today. You certainly remember how difficult it was to get the end right when you tried to restore the poor sound I supplied via my recording I supplied through Film-Tech so many years ago? Moreover some people argued that the end of the mix merged into the Broadway trailer mix, which I knew was wrong. Now that you heard the original in better quality, do you think you could restore completely the trailer based on my old recording ? Your best version so far was 2.1.5. Edit --- Wow, I see that somebody else already did it: ua-cam.com/video/64kF8C6eesc/v-deo.html&ab_channel=PixarFantheSecond Regards, Lionel Fouillen
Wow, it's actually very different from the reconstruction too! The loud WOOSH sounds more "magical" than "explosive", for lack of a better description, and the quasi-Deep Note at the end is completely different from the one in the current trailer despite the reconstruction version just kind of sampling what was in the modern mix. Does this mean TAT Enterprises will finally resurface too? ...Please? SOMEONE!?
I always thought that the silent ending of most of the reconstructed versions was lacking something. Glad to finally have that answered -- the "twinkle" sounds, once thought to have been added when it was re-recorded, originated with this version.
Excluding the Cimarron trailer this video on it's own is very interesting. Even more so with the original Cimarron, but I like studying this kind of stuff, especially British cinema-going experiences during the 80s and 70s.
and this was for Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (visible on the censor board certificate at the end) at the Empire Leicester Square. It was in 70mm. The best sound I ever heard in a cinema. This is where I saw it in 1989 and was given a tour of the booth with the projectionist Ilker Sherif.
@@liofo1413 same . i met ilker and showed me more than tour , feb 14th 1992 , 4 hrs chatting in coffee room between showing first day , star trek 6 , 70mm . nice chap , and even gave me a few THX leaflets , still have . its possible maybe likely , with pinch of salt i own one of the first few THX sound systems crossover monitors 3417 , i can only think of few uk cinemas having the ones with early THX logo on the front . these were introduced 1987 . first THX was dbx 900 1983 . i own three THX sound systems . ilker i chatted about projection and my time year so with CIC/UCI cinemas tower park 1989/90 . nice Empire cup of coffee . that coffee room concrete floor vibrated with star trek 6 , 70mm THX . saw last crusade , twice , september 1989 , after seeing 70mm local cannon cinema bournemouth . the bell theatre services , JBL THX at Empire was night and day . so that is what i been missing on the soundtrack in regards to the low end .
-returns to youtube after about 6 years -uploads thx cimarron -it's the original audio considered by many as lost media -gets featured on clg wiki -refuses to elaborate further -leaves
Oh my god! this is it! This is the official lost audio we all wanted!! It was recorded through a micro-cassette, after it was recalled to damage speakers, but now we got it in better audio quality!!
LOL You guys are getting all worked up over this? The entire point of a sound logo trailer is for the sound QUALITY. That is why we haven't bothered posting any of the good sound logos until a few weeks ago when we were finally able to get the 35mm digital audio capture setup with 5.1 playback on youtube resolved. With all of the room reverberation and the camera microphone's inability to capture the low end on this video though, you're not even hearing half of this audio, yet everyone is still jizzing up a storm. Incredible! Thank you magicfly2001 for posting this though. We have been working for literally over a year working to get things setup from flood damage, and setting up a direct archival-grade 5.1 audio capture from 70mm magnetic SR was going to be one of the top 3 most time-consuming projects we had on our "to do" list...and yet all that effort was just going to be for this one trailer when we had the time. So good news, now everyone can stop being impatient and pestering us to capture it and obsess over this one instead! :)
dude, why are you acting like that? people are excited over this because it's the first proper source we've seen in years. at the moment it's less about getting the best possible audio quality and more about just seeing the trailer at all, which we now have thanks to this video
@@loganstuff9 Please read slowly and carefully so you don't misinterpret again. You are totally missing the entire point of QUALITY, so I will attempt to explain why the quality is so important one final time and why this video is not a "proper source", despite your claim that it is. The quality here is no better than the microcassette recording that has been around for years. That recording ALSO suffered from the same issue of room acoustics altering the way the higher frequencies sound, as well as the inability to capture the lower frequencies of the audio mix. This is entirely due to the tiny camera/microcassette microphone inside an auditorium trying to record "off the speakers". Even the uploader acknowledged and apologized in the description "sorry about the poor quality". What I am trying to educate you on is the fact that that you are simply NOT hearing the actual mix. Half of it is missing. This is a fact, not an opinion, and its not some sort of attack either. Just please take it at face value as the fact that it is. What is humorous is that somewhere on youtube awhile back I heard a microcassette-based "re-creation" that actually sounded closer to the real mix than this does. Please don't misinterpret what is being said here. We are THRILLED that this is here because the constant barrage from people who refused to listen after explaining dozens upon dozens of times was pushing us towards abandoning the entire plan of PROPERLY capturing it. We told everyone over and over that it would come in time to be patient, that there were technical barricades to do it properly, and that it was going to take time. There WERE a few people who were respectful and understood or at least had an idea of what all the process entailed, but for the most part people these days don't have any patience. Everyone just wants it now, now, now and trivializes the entire process as if it's as easy as putting a CD in a player. Then suddenly this appears and everyone thinks it has been "found". To that ridiculous notion we say GREAT!!! Now everyone can watch this instead and pretend that they are actually hearing the original mix! It is truly incredible that this video has finally satisfied everyone's need for this specific THX logo variation though. That makes this a win-win for everyone. Again, thank you to magicfly2001 whoever you are.
@@FTDepot thanks Brad, to be honest I would never pester you before again, besides, forget Jonathan, I’m no longer a logo kid, i’m a adult. (19 years old, sorry for bad grammar.)
GUYS THIS IS AN EMERGENCY WE NEED TO DOWNLOAD AND REUPLOAD THIS VIDEO EMMIDIETLY CUZ IF THIS CHANNEL GETS INNACTIVE FOR 3 YEARS HIS ACCOUNT WILL GET DELETED AND SO WILL THE VIDEO
My question is, Was the trailer originally meant to be completely blue and black only with a soild black background instead of the giant red space-like area, Or was the camera just unable to capture red pixels?
It isn't completely lost but was recalled by select THX Certified Cinemas because it destroyed their speakers that did not have advanced equipment at the time of the original version's run. A couple of former theater projectionists like "FT Depot" have the original version of the Cimarron trailer in their collection. The 70mm version of the trailer has 6 audio tracks and "FT Depot" is one of those former projectionists that has it. Please don't pester that user to upload it so quickly.
@@OfficialOacus this was for most theaters, ones that did not have advanced equipment at the time. Empire Leicester Square and a few other theaters (primarily in California and Texas) had some advanced equipment that prevented speaker breaks at the time of this trailer’s debut (1988).
10 and a half years of patience finally led to this.
I just found out today. You certainly remember how difficult it was to get the end right when you tried to restore the poor sound I supplied via my recording I supplied through Film-Tech so many years ago? Moreover some people argued that the end of the mix merged into the Broadway trailer mix, which I knew was wrong. Now that you heard the original in better quality, do you think you could restore completely the trailer based on my old recording ? Your best version so far was 2.1.5.
Edit --- Wow, I see that somebody else already did it: ua-cam.com/video/64kF8C6eesc/v-deo.html&ab_channel=PixarFantheSecond
Regards,
Lionel Fouillen
We finally found real footage of the lost trailer with no edits
@Aiden Andrews Hi!
@Aiden Andrewshow
are
you
today?
@Aiden Andrews I Recorded
Before I Fall In
Love (excerpt from cnn showbiz)
today!
I don’t think you realize how much of a treasure you are to the trailer community. We thank you for this find.
You're welcome.
Finally, someone actually captured the real actual trailer.
THX Cimarron (Original Mix) shown at a theater, FINALLY FOUND AFTER 10 YEARS
Wow, it's actually very different from the reconstruction too! The loud WOOSH sounds more "magical" than "explosive", for lack of a better description, and the quasi-Deep Note at the end is completely different from the one in the current trailer despite the reconstruction version just kind of sampling what was in the modern mix.
Does this mean TAT Enterprises will finally resurface too? ...Please? SOMEONE!?
If we can find TAT then I don’t think there’s anything we CAN’T find
I always thought that the silent ending of most of the reconstructed versions was lacking something. Glad to finally have that answered -- the "twinkle" sounds, once thought to have been added when it was re-recorded, originated with this version.
I get this.
after 10 years of searching, it’s been finally found!
this is the greatest birthday gift i could have ever gotten
happy birthday Zac, but, first of all. after almost 4 years of searching, finally found it, better message Brad Miller.
@@Lawson578 Hi!
Excluding the Cimarron trailer this video on it's own is very interesting. Even more so with the original Cimarron, but I like studying this kind of stuff, especially British cinema-going experiences during the 80s and 70s.
and this was for Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (visible on the censor board certificate at the end) at the Empire Leicester Square. It was in 70mm. The best sound I ever heard in a cinema. This is where I saw it in 1989 and was given a tour of the booth with the projectionist Ilker Sherif.
@@liofo1413 Nice! I'm glad you had a good experience. And, I love the fact you got a tour of the projection booth!
@@liofo1413 same . i met ilker and showed me more than tour , feb 14th 1992 , 4 hrs chatting in coffee room between showing first day , star trek 6 , 70mm . nice chap , and even gave me a few THX leaflets , still have .
its possible maybe likely , with pinch of salt i own one of the first few THX sound systems crossover monitors 3417 , i can only think of few uk cinemas having the ones with early THX logo on the front . these were introduced 1987 . first THX was dbx 900 1983 .
i own three THX sound systems .
ilker i chatted about projection and my time year so with CIC/UCI cinemas tower park 1989/90 . nice Empire cup of coffee .
that coffee room concrete floor vibrated with star trek 6 , 70mm THX .
saw last crusade , twice , september 1989 , after seeing 70mm local cannon cinema bournemouth . the bell theatre services , JBL THX at Empire was night and day . so that is what i been missing on the soundtrack in regards to the low end .
@@liofo1413Did "magicfly2001" record this or did you?
@@SpongeDan I did not record this video. I don't know who recorded it.
-returns to youtube after about 6 years
-uploads thx cimarron
-it's the original audio considered by many as lost media
-gets featured on clg wiki
-refuses to elaborate further
-leaves
Now if only we could find a scan of the original mix.
in the words of Tintin: GREAT SNAKES!!!!!!!!
Finally, thank you Lord for letting us find this rare type of stuff!
First, I have dreams about the THX Cimarron trailer with the original mix, and now, I found it!
Oh my god! this is it! This is the official lost audio we all wanted!! It was recorded through a micro-cassette, after it was recalled to damage speakers, but now we got it in better audio quality!!
As a THX fan myself, I love it
WOW. 🤯
The unknown has struck me yet again! 😄
The film at the end is “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade”. If anyone is wondering.
Ok captain obvious
This is it! All we need now is a HQ scan (I think FT Depot has it!)!
Finally! For the first time in 10 years!
well it's about fucking time someone found a recording of this
Posted on my 22nd birthday!!! Also I'm super happy we finally found the evidence AAAAHHHHHH 💖✨
This is gold in the form of THX!!!
I cant believe I missed this find!!!!!! This was my biggest lost media want forever, thank you for uploading this!!!
LOL You guys are getting all worked up over this? The entire point of a sound logo trailer is for the sound QUALITY. That is why we haven't bothered posting any of the good sound logos until a few weeks ago when we were finally able to get the 35mm digital audio capture setup with 5.1 playback on youtube resolved. With all of the room reverberation and the camera microphone's inability to capture the low end on this video though, you're not even hearing half of this audio, yet everyone is still jizzing up a storm. Incredible!
Thank you magicfly2001 for posting this though. We have been working for literally over a year working to get things setup from flood damage, and setting up a direct archival-grade 5.1 audio capture from 70mm magnetic SR was going to be one of the top 3 most time-consuming projects we had on our "to do" list...and yet all that effort was just going to be for this one trailer when we had the time. So good news, now everyone can stop being impatient and pestering us to capture it and obsess over this one instead! :)
dude, why are you acting like that? people are excited over this because it's the first proper source we've seen in years. at the moment it's less about getting the best possible audio quality and more about just seeing the trailer at all, which we now have thanks to this video
@@loganstuff9 Please read slowly and carefully so you don't misinterpret again. You are totally missing the entire point of QUALITY, so I will attempt to explain why the quality is so important one final time and why this video is not a "proper source", despite your claim that it is.
The quality here is no better than the microcassette recording that has been around for years. That recording ALSO suffered from the same issue of room acoustics altering the way the higher frequencies sound, as well as the inability to capture the lower frequencies of the audio mix. This is entirely due to the tiny camera/microcassette microphone inside an auditorium trying to record "off the speakers". Even the uploader acknowledged and apologized in the description "sorry about the poor quality". What I am trying to educate you on is the fact that that you are simply NOT hearing the actual mix. Half of it is missing. This is a fact, not an opinion, and its not some sort of attack either. Just please take it at face value as the fact that it is.
What is humorous is that somewhere on youtube awhile back I heard a microcassette-based "re-creation" that actually sounded closer to the real mix than this does.
Please don't misinterpret what is being said here. We are THRILLED that this is here because the constant barrage from people who refused to listen after explaining dozens upon dozens of times was pushing us towards abandoning the entire plan of PROPERLY capturing it. We told everyone over and over that it would come in time to be patient, that there were technical barricades to do it properly, and that it was going to take time.
There WERE a few people who were respectful and understood or at least had an idea of what all the process entailed, but for the most part people these days don't have any patience. Everyone just wants it now, now, now and trivializes the entire process as if it's as easy as putting a CD in a player. Then suddenly this appears and everyone thinks it has been "found".
To that ridiculous notion we say GREAT!!! Now everyone can watch this instead and pretend that they are actually hearing the original mix!
It is truly incredible that this video has finally satisfied everyone's need for this specific THX logo variation though. That makes this a win-win for everyone. Again, thank you to magicfly2001 whoever you are.
@@FTDepot thanks Brad, to be honest I would never pester you before again, besides, forget Jonathan, I’m no longer a logo kid, i’m a adult. (19 years old, sorry for bad grammar.)
Well, I would still like to see a HQ capture or scan of this.
@@FTDepot i'm actually not that excited much to my point of view, sometimes, waiting much more longer can be better.
10 1/2 years of patience have finally led to this... congratulations, mate.
I know I'm a little late, but it's still a huge congrats.
0:31 THX Cimarron trailer (prototype)
It’s finally here!
We finally found this this gives me hope that we will find tat and another THX logo which is the prototype of the grand logo
Cannot wait, if the film scan users like FT Depot to get hands on of this.
Last time I saw this actual THX trailer was in 1993 when I saw “Cliffhanger” at the Fox Westwood cinema here in Los Angeles.
Classic THX back in 80's
This is EXTREMELY impressive for the time. Shit, this could pass today!
Very historic.
Whoa... This is AWESOME!
WOW!
i still think the later THX cimarron variant is better than the og
*THE AUDIENCE IS NOW DEAF.*
I agree
I thought we'd never see the day
Just as I thought. I finally found it!
finally, for the first time in 5 years.
This is the best day of my fricking life 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Now this is Purely Legit find! Great job! 👍
You dropped this > 👑
GUYS THIS IS AN EMERGENCY
WE NEED TO DOWNLOAD AND REUPLOAD THIS VIDEO EMMIDIETLY CUZ IF THIS CHANNEL GETS INNACTIVE FOR 3 YEARS HIS ACCOUNT WILL GET DELETED AND SO WILL THE VIDEO
How did I not see this until now?
I have a feeling the Tiny Toons guys saw the original at one point.
The audience is now actually deaf :)
My question is, Was the trailer originally meant to be completely blue and black only with a soild black background instead of the giant red space-like area, Or was the camera just unable to capture red pixels?
The camera had more of a blue tint and that is why you can’t see much of the red color.
Guy! The sound system promo!😱🐤💅
Bra-vo! 👏👏
0:37 clap clap clap. BOOM!
I am impressed!
I was not expecting this when I clicked on the video.
Very nice.
At last, it's been found.
WE HAVE FOUND IT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Thank you.
I wonder what's in the bottom left corner of the motto at the end!
Dolby Stereo logo.
We found it!!! We finally found it 🤩🤩🤩☺️☺️☺️
I’m still trying to figure out the differences between this version that was recorded and the version that I usually hear from other UA-cam channels.
Different music
In the words of TheRussianBadger:
"It's about F**KING TIME, FELLAS-"
Also, I noticed the Dolby Stereo logo on the bottom left, if you squint a bit
FINALLY!
ok where did you find this?
Lights are dimmin’! Lights are Dimmin’!
Does this work as an early Valentines' gift?
0:37: Here comes the boom!
Wow
They were showing the third Indiana Jones film.
Was this the clip used in the Film 90 report?
@Aiden Andrews maybe yes maybe no as the video on the report is slightly different but the JBL THX at Empire 1 was out of this bass sub bass world .
Someone should really make a documentary about what happened to the original trailer
I don’t think a documentary about the original version of cimarron is necessary
Is its with the Dobly logo.
look in the corner at the end, there is clearly a Dolby Stereo logo there
@@zaccaryvega Dolby Stereo SR, is what I am assuming. That is what many members on the Film-Tech forums said.
@@GabrielsLogoLibrary Just looked it back up, apparently, it's Dolby Stereo on 70mm prints, and SR on 35mm
Whoa…..
0:33 trailer
At 1:04, what is at the bottom left hand side corner?
Dolby Stereo
This can be seen by watching home alone 2 in cinemas. (real according to the credits)
The Audience is now deaf
I don't understand why the original version of this was lost. I want to know why?
It isn't completely lost but was recalled by select THX Certified Cinemas because it destroyed their speakers that did not have advanced equipment at the time of the original version's run. A couple of former theater projectionists like "FT Depot" have the original version of the Cimarron trailer in their collection. The 70mm version of the trailer has 6 audio tracks and "FT Depot" is one of those former projectionists that has it. Please don't pester that user to upload it so quickly.
@@GabrielsLogoLibrary Don't worry I won't pester FT Depot. I'm not the one that always annoy other channels.
The James Horner mix is still better.
Agreed
Did it ever break the speakers tho?
Acording to sources (or something...) it did and it was recalled.
@@OfficialOacus this was for most theaters, ones that did not have advanced equipment at the time. Empire Leicester Square and a few other theaters (primarily in California and Texas) had some advanced equipment that prevented speaker breaks at the time of this trailer’s debut (1988).
Nice facts bro, i now know! Thank you.
Unlost media
Lost media finders: mission accomplished. We did it, boys.
0:31
The Audience is Now Deaf.