I've been using a k3 for 18months now, and I totally agree with you. The most annoying part is the sleep mode. It's very inconsistent and it often takes too long to wake up, enough to disrupt my day to day tasks
My scenario is exactly same, I had a good experience with apple magic keyboard and I wanted to connect with multiple devices so purchased mx keys and it worked so well then I broke it. After lot of youtube videos and pouring good reviews, I tried keychron k8 pro and nuphy air 75. They are good but I get typos, and a lot of connectivity issues, k8 pro's height is an issue to me, It cannot be used without a palm rest. I dint like either of these keyboards. I was trying to buy mx mechanical keyboard for the last few months. But, every review in internet makes me double think that decision. Your video gave me the confidence to purchase it and my typing experience is back to normal. I am subscribing to your channel as a token of appreciation :) Keep doing this!
Hey! Did you end up buying it? If so, how has it been? I'm kind of on the same boat, I use an apple magic keyboard for work and its great, small, light and I'm faster and make less mistakes on it. For my gaming PC I have a mechanical keyboard with cherry MX browns but I wanted to get a single keyboard for both PCs and was torn on what to get because the mechanical gives me fatigue after a while, and the height isn't desirable, and the apple magic keyboard is great but for gaming not so much and it can't even be paired to more than one device.
I did it the other way around.. Came from apple wireless keyboard (pre-magic) and lenovo trackpoint keyboard, the goal was to replace both and kept only one on my desk. In hindsight I should've probably try the mx keys first but caught a mech fever. mx mech: seamless connection with flow, faster wake up, BUT not hot swappable. No cable mode but I don't really care about this since I already on unifying and bolt ecosystem, overall it is too expensive if I had to bought it myself. K3: hot swappable, affordable, great even for the price. It needs some time to wake up but I can get used to it since once it wake up it wake up while mx mech sleeps a lot. My only gripe is that it's only BT or cable mode, no 2.4 rf..
This is actually true. When I was on my Logitech K380, I type pretty fast. Same for the MacBook Pro 13 2020's keyboard. But when I tried one of my fave keybs the Keychron K3 v2, there was a significant difference with my typing speed. Made me slowww
I thought I was crazy. I have a MX mechanical mini and love the feel (browns). I also have a G915 TKL brown, for gaming it’s fine, but for typing, it was terrible ! Now I’m looking at a NuPhy Air 75v2 or the Lofree Flow.
Holy shit! I thought it was just me. I literally make a TON of typing mistakes on the Keychron K3 v2. I thought it was just a me problem until I purchased the K3 Pro. The typing experience between the two keyboards are just LEAGUES apart. I can type without worrying about making mistakes on the K3 Pro.
Had exactly the same experience. At first, I thought that I had ruined my typing habits by years of using small laptop keyboards, but, at the same time, I had no issues with regular full-size Logitech desktop keyboards. The Keychron was the issue.
It probably isn't just about practice and getting used to it either. I've been using normal-profile mechanical keyboards for over 6 years now, and have averaged 80-85wpm. One day I stepped into a store and tried a MacBook - 100+ first try. Have been using it since as the primary keyboard. Great to know there are others who prefer these keyboards as well! I have been brainwashed by the mechanical supremacist media into keeping mine and trying to fit in.
I use it for design and the K3v2 looks and feels great, the plastic keys feels kind of fabric/rubbery. I tried the MX mechanical but the fact I can use the K3v2 for both mac and windows helped me choose
absolutely the same experience for me. bought a K1 as everyone was raving about it and just didn't gel with the keys and layout. Went and purchased a Logitech G815 and instantly went back to typing with accuracy and fluidity and reliability.
I did almost the same (minus purchasing the Keychron K3) went to pick up a mx keys and discovered the mx mechanical mini - it's amazing. I can't imagine not having this keyboard.
lovely energy i tried to figure out for 2 days which keyboard to take. lastly i decided to buy the LG MX mechanical and im still unsure, but you give me hope :D
You're not supposed to bottom-out the keys though... The extra travel room on a normal keyboard gives you a buffer space for softer cushioning, instead of just slamming down to a solid bottom like you're probably doing on a low profile keyboard.
@@lornelorne5727 That is of course what you would do with a mechanical keyboard but every keyboard is designed a little differently and you have the variation of the human hand, as well, resulting in thin, low travel being the best option. Awkward placement and high travel are bad enough but nothing gets people down like low WPM
Samuel, thanks for doing all these keyboard reviews! Like you, I needed to buy a new keyboard, wanted it to be small, so I can carry it with me and wanted it enhance my daily work. For now I got the MX Mechanical + MX Master 3S combo. Still adjusting after years of laptop keys, but I can already feel it having a good effect on me 🙂 Cheers!
I like the keychron, as someone who works in it having a keyboard that’s portable with light switches is a dream. I can’t deal with laptop keyboards mainly for the fact I can never tell if I actually pressed a button or not, the keychron gives enough feedback even with the brown switches (which I prefer because they are so light). The ghost typing issue people are getting can be an issue but it’s more how you rest your hands rather than the keyboard itself. For someone who is mostly stationary I would say get something better but for someone who constantly changes work environments and just wants to have an efficient typing tool this keyboard is great. This all comes down to your own experience and your own preferences tho. Get what you can do do what you need to do and get what feels exciting or nice to type on!
The epitome of exaggeration: 80 wpm becomes 30, 4 second wake-up becomes 10, etc. Seriously though, good video. Especially for those of us who aren’t “keyboard snob” and aren’t in-the-know with all mechanical keyboard lingo.
Thank you for your honest review. So much hype and drama out there, all these guys creating click bait and "sponsored" reviews trying to make money instead of helping people. You are helping people, even though it's your own opinion and experience. If more people did this, they'd be much happier.
First video I’ve watched from you, but loving your style mate. Like the no nonsense approach and the fact that you are not really trying to put on a show, but focusing more on the content itself. Keep it up! Also - I love the Logitech MX keys mechanical! (I have the full version for work)
It pisses me off (perhaps irrationally) when UA-camrs review products but don't research their gripes and things they dislike. It's fine if you couldn't do something or didn't want to do it, but at least spend 15 minutes before spending hours on a video and provide some perspective on the issues you mentioned and how all of them can be fixed
100% agree, 100% same experience. Bought a K3 with many recommendations. Love the ethos / idea behind it. Love the build quality and feel. I can't type on it to save my life. I go from 107 wpm on my Apple Magic keyboard or my MacBook Pro keyboard to around 40 wpm on the Keychron. I can't write code on it without making constant indentation and spacing mistakes, even in a really helpful IDE. Going to check out the MX Keys Mechanical because of your video. Cheers. Have a sub.
Probably has something to do with the travel distance. The travel distance for those apple keyboards is ~1mm. The travel distance for any of the switches that come with the K3 is ~3mm(with ~1.7 pre-travel before the switch activates). However, the MX Keys uses the same switches as the K3, so that can't be the issue. My guess is that Samuel was much faster on the MX Keys because it's flatter than the spherical key key profile on the K3.
@@TheStoic84 I think it's the width. The K3 has an extra line of keys along the right edge (Page up/down/home/end, etc). This makes all the keys a little more narrowly spaced. If I reflexively reached for the "P" key, I'd most often just hit the space between "P" and "[" because of muscle memory. The actual travel distance of the K3 wasn't bothering me at all; I was just making so many errors on it that it destroyed my flow completely.
I went from a low profile apple magic keyboard to a keychron K8, a real chunky keyboard with switches that have 4mm of travel, and... yeah... it took a while to get adjusted to it. It took a few months at least, but right now im about equal with the keychron than i am with the magic keyboard. And I wouldn't give up the keychron because its just more fun to type on.
Sounds like you need linear switches. What it seems like is that you haven’t gotten used to the long keypresses and something like a keyboard with gateron baby raccoons would significantly increase typing speeds due to its light springs and long pole.
I watched this review before getting the keychron k3 a year ago and now I fully understand what you mean. I had a really bad experience with the connectivity in the K3's, and I've done a lot of troubleshooting to make it better, and delt with it for about a year - No Dice.. I have had enough now of the unreliability It would struggle to reconnect - (More than 10 seconds for me) when I'm switching between devices. And it would have this really bad connection where it would type the same letter while im typing like - ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss I totally get you now, ill be selling my K3's and have ordered the MX mechanical Mini.
I liked the K3 but the dealbreaker for me was the battery dying after just one year and having no option to replace it; and this seems to be a know problem for all K3 Ultra-slim models.
I went through a couple of mechanicals, switches and keycaps before I realized a lighter tactile + XDA profile keycaps suited me best. I'm not a particularly fast at typing or anything but the difference between OEM or cherry vs. XDA was noticeable, even more so with the lighter switches. In the end what works for you is what's best, glad you found something you like.
I have similar issue, and I was wondering if that's maybe caused by OSA profile, now I know I should try XDA before giving up on Keychron, thank you for sharing.
You managed to put into words exactly what I've been feeling with my keychron k3 pro. I feel like my typing accuracy is horrible I constantly fat finger other keys and it's so slow. Every time I just use my MacBook Pro keyboard instead it feels like I'm flying away on my keys. I just put my keychron up for sale instantly after watching this. I also felt like it was just a learning curve, but now I've had it for over 1 year and I still struggle. I think I might just go back to buying a Magic Keyboard, now that I found out you can change the fn key to act like CTRL.. I've always hated that placement because my head is hardwired to having CTRL in the left corner.. Awesome to have fingerprint scanner on it as well. Thanks for this review!
Same here. Poor typing accuracy. I'm really fast at typing, but my K5 Max makes me stop and think if I'm starting to get old. Switch back to old cheap keyboard and and everything back to perfect. Maybe it just a fancy keyboard for slow typing.
i use both mechanical mini and full size mx keys for work and productivity i can bet nothing beats mx keys s it is accurate fast and shortcuts are amazing and I feel like I can easily go above 100 wpm on it
I don't have the K3, because I don't like low-profile keyboards, but I have the K2 and the K8. I haven't judged my speed vs. other keyboards, but it seems to be fast enough. The one thing I'd point out is that you don't have to have it fall asleep. It can stay on. There's a hotkey sequence to make it always-on.
This is it. Thanks for the review man. Last few days I was going back and forth between keychron, nuphy and akko and while almost sold on keychron, I came across your video. Yes logitech is not cute, I’d love to have one of those nuphys but the moment you mentioned bluetooth and battery life, it was game over. I immediately ordered logitech without giving a second thought. Apparently it doesn’t come with high quality cool caps and ages like a meth head, but function comes first. Thanks again!
Always loved the Apple magic keyboard, got the mx keys and now looking for a different one, since i really have trouble with the key longevity. Thanks for reviewing, still sceptical about the mx mechanical, but considering it
nice. very entertaining and practically informative. Ive watch 8million hours of mechanical keyboard videos and still can decide if i should get the logitech mini. Its just a little expensive, but having the windows and mac graphics on the keys means i can use both without changing the keys and that might just be the clincher for me
Nice review, have a sub. I actually quite like this keyboard - but as a programmer my requirements are for precision and a much heavier reliance on things like tabs and symbols rather than speed so it suits me fine. I'm also a gamer so I have an inherent distrust of anything wireless, so running it over bluetooth never even ocurred to me. Finally, as a Brit our options are much more limited with keyboards as we have our own special layout and I cant unprogram 30 years of expecting the return key to be double height and using a US layout drove me absolutely mental. I really really like the Apple keyboard a lot, but it's always a bit off if you aren''t using a Mac - and i'm primarily Windows or Linux. Have tried the even smaller keyboards, but end up wanting to smash them against the wall as function keys and arrow keys are a cut too far and completely essential for writing code unless you are some kind of nutcase that does everything in Vim Edit: One big downside for me that it's really difficult to source Low Profile keycaps, especially in a UK layout. The ones included aren't bad but feel a bit silky and would prefer some nicer ones with a bit more texture to them and in a couple of extra colours so I could pick out important keys for like WASD and Blender in a different tone as am not a touch typer and visual cues help my fingers land on the right place.
I've had the K3 for about two years now and it's great, but now my battery only lasts like 3 hours and I am using it with a cable. No issues with that, but I have a need to work on MAC and Windows and the fact that I need to switch it to a certain setting is irritating me as well as the fact that the bluetooth is slow. Thinking of getting the MX Keys Mech mini for the bluetooth, no manual switch between MAC & Windows and the Flow pair up with my MX Master mouse. This review helped a lot thanks man!
Great review! I might have the same problem as you. Also, for some reason, my wrist started hurting using this keyboard (PS, this is personal experience, not a claim)
Love it! I don’t care about how the keys sound or colors or anime women or random stuff. It’s all about the typing experience. The K3 (non-pro) was also giving me carpal tunnel. I use the Mechanical Keys Mini as well on the go
Feel it. I'm using the MX mechanical now. I had also the MX Keys before like you and I loved this Keyboard. But I love it more to type with the mechanical and I'm faster the with the MX Keys. It makes me more fun to use the MX mechanical
100%%%% More fun with 5 - 10 wpm speed loss. I'll just lose the 5 - 10wpm and stick with the fun keyboard haha. I'm testing linear switches with another keyboard, stay tuned for a review soon.
Mx mechanical is very nice, but the 5 s to turn off backlight is completely destroying my experience. What about you? I haven’t found a way to get rid of it (just using the cable connected to the keyboard, but I don’t know if it damage the battery).
I love Keychron's ability to switch from cable to Bluetooth (something I wish Logitech could implement with their MX Mechanical) but man Keychron's Bluetooth is ANNOYING. great coverage on the your experience my guy!
You have a really good point. Typing speed and accuracy is what should matter the most and not how it sounds like since we're all wearing headset anyways...
Until you have someone else in the room or during a call and the blue switches sound like a construction site noises when they have a headache. Not that it matters for this video, but noise can be important
yeah if you work in an office sure but for home PC its less of a problem. Though if you play online games and your microphone pics it up then yeah thats also a problem @@bleack8701
I agree. I bought a Keychron K5 Pro and I sort of hate it. I just need a flat keyboard. If Apple made a keyboard with gaps between each four F-keys so they're easier to blindly find, there's be no competition at all.
I had a similar experience with the K3, I believe my issue was the fact that the rows of keys are stepped like a staircase on the K3 (angled stems). I've got a NuPhy Air75 V2 now, and I type much faster on it. All of the keycap top surfaces are in plane. This seems to be the case with the MX Keys Mechanical. Maybe that's why you're much faster on it.
i got both of those keychron wireless low profile, one like that and one smaller, no F1-12 keys. And now upgraded to ROG Falchion low profile, and maybe it's the keychron actuation point. I'm having lots of accidental keypresses when i transitioned we're a lil similar tho, i never mod my keebs, i mean i got the time but i dont find the joy in that. i aint that keyboard guy
I agree... I wanted so badly a keychron before... After getting the MX keys mini (not mechanical) I'm not sure so much if i want to swap it. The MX keys swaps so fast from computer to computer. It has a beautiful build, feels so solid and heavy. Price range to keychron is the same, but i think i would rather have 2 mx than a mx and a keychron
I did the same switch and I can tell you 2 things 1. Keychron wakeup handling suxx specially on Bluetooth 2.mx keys mech brown uses one of the best switches on the market It is simply superior specially with 2.4ghz and it buffers keys so you don't need to wait at all It simply is the best is not your problem Keychron maybe better with 2.4ghz or cable
My first kb was a k8 pro from keychron. Second time I tried to customize it, it wouldn't turn on. Now I always go for the budget stuff while my keychron lies dead in my drawer. A lot of great options besides keychron.
Hello! I love the content. Would you be able to do a desk setup video or maybe tech items under $50! Anything electronics haha. Just an idea. I love the idea of switching between mechanical keyboards. The Keychron Lineup is amazing. I love how thin this is and how thin it is.
Hi, friend. I apologize for my English, I typed it in a translator. I also bought a K3 V2 from KeyChron, I am also pleased with the assembly and backlight, but also the typing on the keyboard is slower than on the apple magic keyboard. The most irritating thing is its short battery life (about 2-3 days with backlight) and problems with communication, it often loses, it’s true. But I stayed on K3, tried the Logi MX mini, which is in the video, an excellent keyboard, but it seemed too big and sweeping, and the backlight also worked strangely, which is not adjustable and turns on only in the dark. As a result, I'm looking towards NePhy to replace the apple magic keyboard. Oh, yes, the keys in Keychron also begin to creak over time, which is also annoying. P.S. Im a not keyboard guy too! :) Peace.
What are you settling on? No joke, you should try doing a typing speed test before purchasing. Typing a solid 20wpm less with less accuracy adds up quickly.
@@thesamuelnam I am looking for a good keyboard for my office, where I dont sit alone. I thought the MX mini is too loud and the K3 is the better option. But after your review, I will buy the MX.
I recently bought a ke pro. What i think is that because the keycaps are tilted the other way from the user plus it's high height, you'll have to get an arm rest of a paper towel while typing. Orr follow my cursed setup and keep it on your lap
I have same mx keys mechanical mini and love it. Good connectivity. I am a programmer. Only lately some number keys seem giving some problems not picking up, only pressing hard. Perhaps from travel in bag. I am now thinking about new keychron k2 he with hall effect. Looks great. Not sure. Still mx works nice except sometimes the nrvkey issue.
After this post I decided to clean extra at number keys. That is the nice thing about mechanical also: you can clean easily under keys by popping it of. Got quite some dust hair off. Lets see how it goes. Still also always on the look for something more perfect than perfect which allready is perfect.
Very good review. I sold my Keychron k6 because of the anoying RGB. Yes you can find a triple key combination online to lock it but everytime the keyboard is turned off you start all over. that alone is a no go (If not giving away one of the most importand keys for a rarely used function is). I also was massively annoyed by the bluetooth standby delay. i frequently was missing the first 3 Letters of a word... I now have an epomaker th66 which does this better. Although It takes even longer to wake up it only goes to standby after something like 15 or 30min. that doesnt annoy me because it rarely happens and when i am away longer i know it and press a key to wake it up.
I have an Alienware mechanical keyboard and it's very difficult to get any kind of speed from it! My fingers always are hitting adjacent keys causing typos. Thanks for the review. I think I may try the MX Keys.
I had the same experience when I started to type on a mechanical Keyboard. I felt slow on my Nuphy Air 96, so I used the MX Keys for productive purposes and trained typing on my Nuphy. It took some time, but I got faster at typing with my Nuphy. Still want to try out the MX Mechanical, though.
I’ve experience something similar with the Nuphy Air v2 after coming from an Apple Keyboard for many years… am wondering if it’s just me or if the keys are too close on the Nuphy. Also, glad this wasn’t sponsored… that is always a big put-off! May try the MX-keys, too! SUBBED
In a moment of weakness, I guess, I went ahead and got me the K3 utlra-low something or other... had to wait over 2 weeks for the unit to show up at my house, and when it did I was all excited as it meant me being able to throw away my old K120 that I been forced to use as backup due to circumstances... So, unpack the K3, get it connected to my computer, started typing and found that every other key I had to hit was the backspace key. I changed posture, tried it again, and again I was hitting the backspace key more than any other key... why? As I too am NOT a keyboard guy, I wouldn't be able to tell you if it is based on the switches, or the this or the that. What I do know is that when I was using the MX S keyboard, I too was flying all over the place and being productive. With the K3 I get the impression that if I only think about pressing a key, the action is already being registered by the keyboard, resulting in inputs that are not needed. I tried hitting my keyboard a couple of times, which resulted in a lowered stress level, as well as the little footstands on the back being broken, yet my typing remains heavily backspace influenced. Solution: I purchased a second hand Logitec MX mini mechanical, which should be here this weekend, with the hopes that this will be the solution I was looking for... Thanks for the video!!! EDIT: I submitted this while still watching your video, so I had not gotten to your portion on the bluetooth issue with this K3, which forced me to laugh so hard, as it has been driving me crazy these past 2 weeks!
It makes sense. Longer travel distance per button = slower typing speed. Short travel keyboards, like the magic laptop keyboard, will always be faster than mechanical keyboards.
using a mechanical keyboard takes a bit of getting used to, but once you have the knack and find the right board, you'll never go back. Most non-mechanical boards have cheap plastic keycaps, which go shiny over time and look awful, and don't feel as nice under your fingers. You can't switch them out for better quality ones. And as your video shows (cute baby!) once a keycap has gone, the keyboard is done. I turned to mechanical because I developed severe health problems, bursitis, arthritis and intense pain in my finger joints. Bottoming out the keys hurt. So as well as the medical solutions, I turned to a board where I don't have to bottom out the keys, thus reducing the stress on my finger joints, and also helping my wrists (carpal tunnel). I don't like most Keychron boards, the keys are too close together, and most are too small. I like my DAS board. But if you like that board, and it suits you, carry on!
I’ve only used Apple Magic Keyboards for the last decade. But I recently ordered 4 different keyboards during a sale including the K3. I’m now super torn about keeping it, or returning it. I love basically everything about it, however it feels like it’s fighting me just a little when I type on it. I bought a used K2 V1 and that feels far smoother. Ah! I can’t decide.
I think it is not just the travel/actuation distance that might be giving him the issue since he loved other low profile ones like Nuphy and Lowfree, I think the suspect is the angled keycaps. The keychron k3 has a weird keycap profile that is tapered away from you which is uncommon for keyboards and I found myself having to angle my wirst over it quite a lot insead of having it hover above the keyboard. Take a look at images or videos to notice the reverse tapering of these keys!
Instant sub. No filler. No crap. Honest. Great editing and production. You're going places with this style!
100% agree, I read this comment 30 seconds in and was thinking the same thing 😆
absolutely same here!
He only captioned the video as sold keyboard, but he actually does a review with it :D
This is what MKBHD was like in the old days
+1 , reminded me of how UA-cam used to be a few years ago.
Man, that was marvelous experience watching you 😄 Humor, voice, video quality, scenario - all top notch
I've been using a k3 for 18months now, and I totally agree with you. The most annoying part is the sleep mode. It's very inconsistent and it often takes too long to wake up, enough to disrupt my day to day tasks
You can turn it off. Hold fn+S+O for 3 seconds to disable the Auto Sleep Mode.
Battery runs out fast by doing that
Totally agree, I switched from MX keys to Keychrone and it sucked, most annoying thing for me was the Bluetooth connectivity, was unusable
My scenario is exactly same, I had a good experience with apple magic keyboard and I wanted to connect with multiple devices so purchased mx keys and it worked so well then I broke it.
After lot of youtube videos and pouring good reviews, I tried keychron k8 pro and nuphy air 75. They are good but I get typos, and a lot of connectivity issues, k8 pro's height is an issue to me, It cannot be used without a palm rest. I dint like either of these keyboards.
I was trying to buy mx mechanical keyboard for the last few months. But, every review in internet makes me double think that decision.
Your video gave me the confidence to purchase it and my typing experience is back to normal. I am subscribing to your channel as a token of appreciation :)
Keep doing this!
Hey! Did you end up buying it? If so, how has it been?
I'm kind of on the same boat, I use an apple magic keyboard for work and its great, small, light and I'm faster and make less mistakes on it. For my gaming PC I have a mechanical keyboard with cherry MX browns but I wanted to get a single keyboard for both PCs and was torn on what to get because the mechanical gives me fatigue after a while, and the height isn't desirable, and the apple magic keyboard is great but for gaming not so much and it can't even be paired to more than one device.
I did it the other way around.. Came from apple wireless keyboard (pre-magic) and lenovo trackpoint keyboard, the goal was to replace both and kept only one on my desk. In hindsight I should've probably try the mx keys first but caught a mech fever.
mx mech: seamless connection with flow, faster wake up, BUT not hot swappable. No cable mode but I don't really care about this since I already on unifying and bolt ecosystem, overall it is too expensive if I had to bought it myself.
K3: hot swappable, affordable, great even for the price. It needs some time to wake up but I can get used to it since once it wake up it wake up while mx mech sleeps a lot. My only gripe is that it's only BT or cable mode, no 2.4 rf..
I love people being honest, or actually know the difference between when they feel it and what people telling them to feel
This is actually true. When I was on my Logitech K380, I type pretty fast. Same for the MacBook Pro 13 2020's keyboard. But when I tried one of my fave keybs the Keychron K3 v2, there was a significant difference with my typing speed. Made me slowww
Aha! I'm not the only one.
That's because different keys have more actuation force but this is just an assumption, I don't actually have an idea if why you having this problem.
I thought I was crazy. I have a MX mechanical mini and love the feel (browns). I also have a G915 TKL brown, for gaming it’s fine, but for typing, it was terrible ! Now I’m looking at a NuPhy Air 75v2 or the Lofree Flow.
Loving your energy and honest approach
Holy shit! I thought it was just me. I literally make a TON of typing mistakes on the Keychron K3 v2. I thought it was just a me problem until I purchased the K3 Pro. The typing experience between the two keyboards are just LEAGUES apart. I can type without worrying about making mistakes on the K3 Pro.
Had exactly the same experience. At first, I thought that I had ruined my typing habits by years of using small laptop keyboards, but, at the same time, I had no issues with regular full-size Logitech desktop keyboards. The Keychron was the issue.
@@AndrewP well but in his case, he fixed the issue by getting a different keychron, not getting away from keychron itself
@@VOVOPERADOR he meant that keychron, not referring to the brand itself.
It probably isn't just about practice and getting used to it either. I've been using normal-profile mechanical keyboards for over 6 years now, and have averaged 80-85wpm. One day I stepped into a store and tried a MacBook - 100+ first try. Have been using it since as the primary keyboard. Great to know there are others who prefer these keyboards as well! I have been brainwashed by the mechanical supremacist media into keeping mine and trying to fit in.
I use it for design and the K3v2 looks and feels great, the plastic keys feels kind of fabric/rubbery. I tried the MX mechanical but the fact I can use the K3v2 for both mac and windows helped me choose
also it's much cheaper!
MX Mechanical also works for Mac and Windows though. I've been using it that way all along.
absolutely the same experience for me. bought a K1 as everyone was raving about it and just didn't gel with the keys and layout. Went and purchased a Logitech G815 and instantly went back to typing with accuracy and fluidity and reliability.
I love how genuine this is! No crap... small mistakes and all....
I did almost the same (minus purchasing the Keychron K3) went to pick up a mx keys and discovered the mx mechanical mini - it's amazing. I can't imagine not having this keyboard.
subscribed after watching a bunch of keyboard videos, love the authenticity here man!
I don't understand, what do you think is the reason you lost speed?
Key placement, too hard to press keys?
The MX Keys Mechanical has always been my favorite but the MX Keys mini is just perfect for me.
Thanks for the video. I just picked up the MX Mechanical full size today, and it is fantastic!
Haha, cute baby. Thx for bringing a smile. Also, great advice on keyboards.
lovely energy i tried to figure out for 2 days which keyboard to take. lastly i decided to buy the LG MX mechanical and im still unsure, but you give me hope :D
It's the travel distance.. Once you get used to those thin keyboards, MX keys, laptop keys, etc. Normal keyboards just have way too long of a travel.
You're not supposed to bottom-out the keys though... The extra travel room on a normal keyboard gives you a buffer space for softer cushioning, instead of just slamming down to a solid bottom like you're probably doing on a low profile keyboard.
@@lornelorne5727 That is of course what you would do with a mechanical keyboard but every keyboard is designed a little differently and you have the variation of the human hand, as well, resulting in thin, low travel being the best option. Awkward placement and high travel are bad enough but nothing gets people down like low WPM
Did he have low profile key caps?
Is the MX mechanical the same in terms of travel distance?
AMazing solid content! imma get me the Mx mechanical as well. (i just bought the mx master 3s mouse -- i hope they complement well)
Exactly the same here. I tried it for 3 weeks now and I just couldn't get warm with it. Just wrapped it up to send it back, back to the MX Keys Mini
Samuel, thanks for doing all these keyboard reviews! Like you, I needed to buy a new keyboard, wanted it to be small, so I can carry it with me and wanted it enhance my daily work. For now I got the MX Mechanical + MX Master 3S combo. Still adjusting after years of laptop keys, but I can already feel it having a good effect on me 🙂 Cheers!
I like the keychron, as someone who works in it having a keyboard that’s portable with light switches is a dream. I can’t deal with laptop keyboards mainly for the fact I can never tell if I actually pressed a button or not, the keychron gives enough feedback even with the brown switches (which I prefer because they are so light). The ghost typing issue people are getting can be an issue but it’s more how you rest your hands rather than the keyboard itself. For someone who is mostly stationary I would say get something better but for someone who constantly changes work environments and just wants to have an efficient typing tool this keyboard is great. This all comes down to your own experience and your own preferences tho. Get what you can do do what you need to do and get what feels exciting or nice to type on!
The epitome of exaggeration: 80 wpm becomes 30, 4 second wake-up becomes 10, etc. Seriously though, good video. Especially for those of us who aren’t “keyboard snob” and aren’t in-the-know with all mechanical keyboard lingo.
Love your honesty. good luck
Thank you for your honest review. So much hype and drama out there, all these guys creating click bait and "sponsored" reviews trying to make money instead of helping people. You are helping people, even though it's your own opinion and experience. If more people did this, they'd be much happier.
First video I’ve watched from you, but loving your style mate. Like the no nonsense approach and the fact that you are not really trying to put on a show, but focusing more on the content itself. Keep it up! Also - I love the Logitech MX keys mechanical! (I have the full version for work)
It pisses me off (perhaps irrationally) when UA-camrs review products but don't research their gripes and things they dislike. It's fine if you couldn't do something or didn't want to do it, but at least spend 15 minutes before spending hours on a video and provide some perspective on the issues you mentioned and how all of them can be fixed
100% agree, 100% same experience. Bought a K3 with many recommendations. Love the ethos / idea behind it. Love the build quality and feel. I can't type on it to save my life. I go from 107 wpm on my Apple Magic keyboard or my MacBook Pro keyboard to around 40 wpm on the Keychron. I can't write code on it without making constant indentation and spacing mistakes, even in a really helpful IDE.
Going to check out the MX Keys Mechanical because of your video. Cheers. Have a sub.
Probably has something to do with the travel distance. The travel distance for those apple keyboards is ~1mm. The travel distance for any of the switches that come with the K3 is ~3mm(with ~1.7 pre-travel before the switch activates).
However, the MX Keys uses the same switches as the K3, so that can't be the issue. My guess is that Samuel was much faster on the MX Keys because it's flatter than the spherical key key profile on the K3.
@@TheStoic84 I think it's the width. The K3 has an extra line of keys along the right edge (Page up/down/home/end, etc). This makes all the keys a little more narrowly spaced. If I reflexively reached for the "P" key, I'd most often just hit the space between "P" and "[" because of muscle memory. The actual travel distance of the K3 wasn't bothering me at all; I was just making so many errors on it that it destroyed my flow completely.
I went from a low profile apple magic keyboard to a keychron K8, a real chunky keyboard with switches that have 4mm of travel, and... yeah... it took a while to get adjusted to it. It took a few months at least, but right now im about equal with the keychron than i am with the magic keyboard. And I wouldn't give up the keychron because its just more fun to type on.
any more development after getting the keyboard?
Sounds like you need linear switches. What it seems like is that you haven’t gotten used to the long keypresses and something like a keyboard with gateron baby raccoons would significantly increase typing speeds due to its light springs and long pole.
I watched this review before getting the keychron k3 a year ago and now I fully understand what you mean.
I had a really bad experience with the connectivity in the K3's, and I've done a lot of troubleshooting to make it better, and delt with it for about a year - No Dice.. I have had enough now of the unreliability
It would struggle to reconnect - (More than 10 seconds for me) when I'm switching between devices.
And it would have this really bad connection where it would type the same letter while im typing like - ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
I totally get you now, ill be selling my K3's and have ordered the MX mechanical Mini.
🇬🇧 👍🏽 September 2024
First video of yours I've stumbled on.
Don't know what else you cover - but I love your energy!
Subscribed!
I liked the K3 but the dealbreaker for me was the battery dying after just one year and having no option to replace it; and this seems to be a know problem for all K3 Ultra-slim models.
What? its replaceable and the same issues happen on many batteries, in ex. even Macbook laptops.
That "It sucks balls" made me laugh. I did not expect that coming
Same for me. I had K7.
Swapped it back out for a Mac keyboard ...
Might have to try the mx mechanical keyboard ..
I went through a couple of mechanicals, switches and keycaps before I realized a lighter tactile + XDA profile keycaps suited me best. I'm not a particularly fast at typing or anything but the difference between OEM or cherry vs. XDA was noticeable, even more so with the lighter switches. In the end what works for you is what's best, glad you found something you like.
I have similar issue, and I was wondering if that's maybe caused by OSA profile, now I know I should try XDA before giving up on Keychron, thank you for sharing.
@@KrystianLewandowski there are other profiles out there, definitely worth trying things until you find what suits you best.
You managed to put into words exactly what I've been feeling with my keychron k3 pro. I feel like my typing accuracy is horrible I constantly fat finger other keys and it's so slow. Every time I just use my MacBook Pro keyboard instead it feels like I'm flying away on my keys. I just put my keychron up for sale instantly after watching this. I also felt like it was just a learning curve, but now I've had it for over 1 year and I still struggle. I think I might just go back to buying a Magic Keyboard, now that I found out you can change the fn key to act like CTRL.. I've always hated that placement because my head is hardwired to having CTRL in the left corner.. Awesome to have fingerprint scanner on it as well. Thanks for this review!
Same here. Poor typing accuracy. I'm really fast at typing, but my K5 Max makes me stop and think if I'm starting to get old. Switch back to old cheap keyboard and and everything back to perfect. Maybe it just a fancy keyboard for slow typing.
i use both mechanical mini and full size mx keys for work and productivity i can bet nothing beats mx keys s it is accurate fast and shortcuts are amazing and I feel like I can easily go above 100 wpm on it
I don't have the K3, because I don't like low-profile keyboards, but I have the K2 and the K8. I haven't judged my speed vs. other keyboards, but it seems to be fast enough. The one thing I'd point out is that you don't have to have it fall asleep. It can stay on. There's a hotkey sequence to make it always-on.
This is it. Thanks for the review man. Last few days I was going back and forth between keychron, nuphy and akko and while almost sold on keychron, I came across your video. Yes logitech is not cute, I’d love to have one of those nuphys but the moment you mentioned bluetooth and battery life, it was game over. I immediately ordered logitech without giving a second thought. Apparently it doesn’t come with high quality cool caps and ages like a meth head, but function comes first. Thanks again!
because of your energy i'm going to buy the Mx Keys Mechanical! (just found your channel and its great!)
Always loved the Apple magic keyboard, got the mx keys and now looking for a different one, since i really have trouble with the key longevity. Thanks for reviewing, still sceptical about the mx mechanical, but considering it
nice. very entertaining and practically informative.
Ive watch 8million hours of mechanical keyboard videos and still can decide if i should get the logitech mini. Its just a little expensive, but having the windows and mac graphics on the keys means i can use both without changing the keys and that might just be the clincher for me
Nice review, have a sub. I actually quite like this keyboard - but as a programmer my requirements are for precision and a much heavier reliance on things like tabs and symbols rather than speed so it suits me fine. I'm also a gamer so I have an inherent distrust of anything wireless, so running it over bluetooth never even ocurred to me. Finally, as a Brit our options are much more limited with keyboards as we have our own special layout and I cant unprogram 30 years of expecting the return key to be double height and using a US layout drove me absolutely mental.
I really really like the Apple keyboard a lot, but it's always a bit off if you aren''t using a Mac - and i'm primarily Windows or Linux.
Have tried the even smaller keyboards, but end up wanting to smash them against the wall as function keys and arrow keys are a cut too far and completely essential for writing code unless you are some kind of nutcase that does everything in Vim
Edit: One big downside for me that it's really difficult to source Low Profile keycaps, especially in a UK layout. The ones included aren't bad but feel a bit silky and would prefer some nicer ones with a bit more texture to them and in a couple of extra colours so I could pick out important keys for like WASD and Blender in a different tone as am not a touch typer and visual cues help my fingers land on the right place.
So what did you choose? Keychron k3?
@@Benson.BereTV obviously yes, brownish switches
I've had the K3 for about two years now and it's great, but now my battery only lasts like 3 hours and I am using it with a cable. No issues with that, but I have a need to work on MAC and Windows and the fact that I need to switch it to a certain setting is irritating me as well as the fact that the bluetooth is slow. Thinking of getting the MX Keys Mech mini for the bluetooth, no manual switch between MAC & Windows and the Flow pair up with my MX Master mouse. This review helped a lot thanks man!
same! im coming from keychron, also a nuphy but truly enjoy the MX keys mechanical. nuphy a close 2nd but truly on preference
Great review! I might have the same problem as you. Also, for some reason, my wrist started hurting using this keyboard (PS, this is personal experience, not a claim)
Love it! I don’t care about how the keys sound or colors or anime women or random stuff. It’s all about the typing experience. The K3 (non-pro) was also giving me carpal tunnel.
I use the Mechanical Keys Mini as well on the go
Feel it. I'm using the MX mechanical now. I had also the MX Keys before like you and I loved this Keyboard. But I love it more to type with the mechanical and I'm faster the with the MX Keys. It makes me more fun to use the MX mechanical
100%%%% More fun with 5 - 10 wpm speed loss. I'll just lose the 5 - 10wpm and stick with the fun keyboard haha. I'm testing linear switches with another keyboard, stay tuned for a review soon.
Mx mechanical is very nice, but the 5 s to turn off backlight is completely destroying my experience. What about you? I haven’t found a way to get rid of it (just using the cable connected to the keyboard, but I don’t know if it damage the battery).
Love your energy. Thanks for this video, I'm going for the MX keys 🥰
I love Keychron's ability to switch from cable to Bluetooth (something I wish Logitech could implement with their MX Mechanical) but man Keychron's Bluetooth is ANNOYING. great coverage on the your experience my guy!
I have the K3 for a while now. Typing sucks but it's nice, small and functional.
I have the Mx Keys, just bought the Keychron while watching your video. Just when you said it SUCKED the payment went through... Lol
Mate, just grabbed an mx mechanical mini to replace my K3 with a dying arrow key because of your video!
thanks for your honest review I love it. Cheers
Have the same problem, i changed to the Keychron K2 v2 instead, all problems gone. Wakes up faster and also makes me type way faster.
You have a really good point. Typing speed and accuracy is what should matter the most and not how it sounds like since we're all wearing headset anyways...
Until you have someone else in the room or during a call and the blue switches sound like a construction site noises when they have a headache. Not that it matters for this video, but noise can be important
yeah if you work in an office sure but for home PC its less of a problem. Though if you play online games and your microphone pics it up then yeah thats also a problem @@bleack8701
Came across this video truly love the review. Instant sub … funny and informative 👍
The "fat baby" earned you a sub 🤣
I agree. I bought a Keychron K5 Pro and I sort of hate it. I just need a flat keyboard. If Apple made a keyboard with gaps between each four F-keys so they're easier to blindly find, there's be no competition at all.
new sub. I love the no crap, realistic honesty. Just being real. Nice.
wow...., that was the best hardware review i ever watched....
I'm currently looking for a keyboard and also realized I type fast on mac book keyboard .This video helped a lot .
I had a similar experience with the K3, I believe my issue was the fact that the rows of keys are stepped like a staircase on the K3 (angled stems). I've got a NuPhy Air75 V2 now, and I type much faster on it. All of the keycap top surfaces are in plane. This seems to be the case with the MX Keys Mechanical. Maybe that's why you're much faster on it.
I went through many different keyboards. I eventually ended on Keychron. I like it the best.
Thanks, was kinda on the fence wondering if I should pull the trigger and you’ve convinced me not to. 😂 You’re also hilarious. Subbed for the jokes!!
i got both of those keychron wireless low profile, one like that and one smaller, no F1-12 keys. And now upgraded to ROG Falchion low profile, and maybe it's the keychron actuation point. I'm having lots of accidental keypresses when i transitioned
we're a lil similar tho, i never mod my keebs, i mean i got the time but i dont find the joy in that. i aint that keyboard guy
I agree... I wanted so badly a keychron before... After getting the MX keys mini (not mechanical) I'm not sure so much if i want to swap it. The MX keys swaps so fast from computer to computer. It has a beautiful build, feels so solid and heavy. Price range to keychron is the same, but i think i would rather have 2 mx than a mx and a keychron
I did the same switch and I can tell you 2 things
1. Keychron wakeup handling suxx specially on Bluetooth
2.mx keys mech brown uses one of the best switches on the market
It is simply superior specially with 2.4ghz and it buffers keys so you don't need to wait at all
It simply is the best is not your problem
Keychron maybe better with 2.4ghz or cable
LOL GOLD LUCK with Keychron warranty and support
First and the last brand i will buy
I love your video style, the way you speak, present the points, your humour - thanks keyboard-review-binge that led me here :D
great observation brother. Love your honest content about products.. keep making more contents
My first kb was a k8 pro from keychron. Second time I tried to customize it, it wouldn't turn on. Now I always go for the budget stuff while my keychron lies dead in my drawer. A lot of great options besides keychron.
Hello! I love the content. Would you be able to do a desk setup video or maybe tech items under $50! Anything electronics haha. Just an idea. I love the idea of switching between mechanical keyboards. The Keychron Lineup is amazing. I love how thin this is and how thin it is.
Thanks for the ideas~ I've got so many scripts I need shot and edited. I'll do something like that just before Christmas or something.
@@thesamuelnam Thanks!
Using MX mechanical mini for mac for almost a year. No regrets.
You pretty much nail my complaints with the K3 and I’m scouring UA-cam to convince myself not to get the MX Mechanical 😅
Hi, friend. I apologize for my English, I typed it in a translator. I also bought a K3 V2 from KeyChron, I am also pleased with the assembly and backlight, but also the typing on the keyboard is slower than on the apple magic keyboard. The most irritating thing is its short battery life (about 2-3 days with backlight) and problems with communication, it often loses, it’s true. But I stayed on K3, tried the Logi MX mini, which is in the video, an excellent keyboard, but it seemed too big and sweeping, and the backlight also worked strangely, which is not adjustable and turns on only in the dark. As a result, I'm looking towards NePhy to replace the apple magic keyboard. Oh, yes, the keys in Keychron also begin to creak over time, which is also annoying. P.S. Im a not keyboard guy too! :) Peace.
Honest review thank you, I’ll pick one Logitech mechanical
New subscriber… I absolutely loved this video. No BS, honest review and funny too. Can’t wait to check out more of your videos my friend.
Thank you! Couldn't decide between those two keys.
What are you settling on? No joke, you should try doing a typing speed test before purchasing. Typing a solid 20wpm less with less accuracy adds up quickly.
@@thesamuelnam I am looking for a good keyboard for my office, where I dont sit alone. I thought the MX mini is too loud and the K3 is the better option. But after your review, I will buy the MX.
I recently bought a ke pro. What i think is that because the keycaps are tilted the other way from the user plus it's high height, you'll have to get an arm rest of a paper towel while typing. Orr follow my cursed setup and keep it on your lap
I have same mx keys mechanical mini and love it. Good connectivity. I am a programmer. Only lately some number keys seem giving some problems not picking up, only pressing hard. Perhaps from travel in bag. I am now thinking about new keychron k2 he with hall effect. Looks great. Not sure. Still mx works nice except sometimes the nrvkey issue.
After this post I decided to clean extra at number keys. That is the nice thing about mechanical also: you can clean easily under keys by popping it of. Got quite some dust hair off. Lets see how it goes. Still also always on the look for something more perfect than perfect which allready is perfect.
Very good review. I sold my Keychron k6 because of the anoying RGB. Yes you can find a triple key combination online to lock it but everytime the keyboard is turned off you start all over. that alone is a no go (If not giving away one of the most importand keys for a rarely used function is). I also was massively annoyed by the bluetooth standby delay. i frequently was missing the first 3 Letters of a word... I now have an epomaker th66 which does this better. Although It takes even longer to wake up it only goes to standby after something like 15 or 30min. that doesnt annoy me because it rarely happens and when i am away longer i know it and press a key to wake it up.
I have an Alienware mechanical keyboard and it's very difficult to get any kind of speed from it! My fingers always are hitting adjacent keys causing typos. Thanks for the review. I think I may try the MX Keys.
I had the same experience when I started to type on a mechanical Keyboard. I felt slow on my Nuphy Air 96, so I used the MX Keys for productive purposes and trained typing on my Nuphy. It took some time, but I got faster at typing with my Nuphy. Still want to try out the MX Mechanical, though.
I have the MX mechanical mini, just like that. I saw the reviews of the Bluetooth speed to connect and input lag for the K3 and knew I'd hate it.
You got the brown swtiches, that's the problem, it sucks. Get the other switch options and also get the PRO QMK/VIA version for a better experience.
I WANT the MX keys mechanical.
I’ve experience something similar with the Nuphy Air v2 after coming from an Apple Keyboard for many years… am wondering if it’s just me or if the keys are too close on the Nuphy. Also, glad this wasn’t sponsored… that is always a big put-off! May try the MX-keys, too! SUBBED
Keepin it real. Love it. Subbed.
In a moment of weakness, I guess, I went ahead and got me the K3 utlra-low something or other... had to wait over 2 weeks for the unit to show up at my house, and when it did I was all excited as it meant me being able to throw away my old K120 that I been forced to use as backup due to circumstances...
So, unpack the K3, get it connected to my computer, started typing and found that every other key I had to hit was the backspace key.
I changed posture, tried it again, and again I was hitting the backspace key more than any other key... why?
As I too am NOT a keyboard guy, I wouldn't be able to tell you if it is based on the switches, or the this or the that. What I do know is that when I was using the MX S keyboard, I too was flying all over the place and being productive.
With the K3 I get the impression that if I only think about pressing a key, the action is already being registered by the keyboard, resulting in inputs that are not needed. I tried hitting my keyboard a couple of times, which resulted in a lowered stress level, as well as the little footstands on the back being broken, yet my typing remains heavily backspace influenced.
Solution: I purchased a second hand Logitec MX mini mechanical, which should be here this weekend, with the hopes that this will be the solution I was looking for...
Thanks for the video!!!
EDIT: I submitted this while still watching your video, so I had not gotten to your portion on the bluetooth issue with this K3, which forced me to laugh so hard, as it has been driving me crazy these past 2 weeks!
Solid review- excellent work bro
93 here - first try on 10 fast fingers with the K3 (100 on the 2nd try with the feet stands half-way out). Accuracy 95.95%
love the humour and I watched the entire video and I am buying an mx mechanical on Black Friday
Nooooo wait! I have a video coming up on Thursday with another keyboard. You want to watch it before buying mx keys.
It makes sense. Longer travel distance per button = slower typing speed. Short travel keyboards, like the magic laptop keyboard, will always be faster than mechanical keyboards.
using a mechanical keyboard takes a bit of getting used to, but once you have the knack and find the right board, you'll never go back. Most non-mechanical boards have cheap plastic keycaps, which go shiny over time and look awful, and don't feel as nice under your fingers. You can't switch them out for better quality ones. And as your video shows (cute baby!) once a keycap has gone, the keyboard is done.
I turned to mechanical because I developed severe health problems, bursitis, arthritis and intense pain in my finger joints. Bottoming out the keys hurt. So as well as the medical solutions, I turned to a board where I don't have to bottom out the keys, thus reducing the stress on my finger joints, and also helping my wrists (carpal tunnel).
I don't like most Keychron boards, the keys are too close together, and most are too small. I like my DAS board. But if you like that board, and it suits you, carry on!
I’ve only used Apple Magic Keyboards for the last decade. But I recently ordered 4 different keyboards during a sale including the K3. I’m now super torn about keeping it, or returning it. I love basically everything about it, however it feels like it’s fighting me just a little when I type on it. I bought a used K2 V1 and that feels far smoother. Ah! I can’t decide.
I think it is not just the travel/actuation distance that might be giving him the issue since he loved other low profile ones like Nuphy and Lowfree, I think the suspect is the angled keycaps. The keychron k3 has a weird keycap profile that is tapered away from you which is uncommon for keyboards and I found myself having to angle my wirst over it quite a lot insead of having it hover above the keyboard. Take a look at images or videos to notice the reverse tapering of these keys!