Yeah it's hard to compare two different cameras, they've gotten so good these days I don't think you can go wrong with any. It has gotten to the point where you'll only buy a camera now depending on what your needs are like internal ND, xlr ports, if it's big or small etc!
@@films_by_aw yeah the Blackmagic has the best colors, it beats everything in my opinion Fuji, Panasonic, etc...however I use the FX30 simply because of the autofocus...one man band so I need the autofocus for my style of shooting..
@@seancloutier2577 I’m still trying to make a go at it with a blackmagic. We’ll see! Right now the micro jitters are killing me but I’m getting a Canon 17-55 IS f/2.8 which is supposed to be a dream in that respect.
Never has there been such access at all budget levels to cameras that can make beautiful images, it is really all about the talent in front and behind the camera that makes a film great
My guess on the blind test was right but I think that was only due to your previous examples helping me spot the differences. In your blind tests I fet they were near even. For my money, I prefer the skin tones, blues and greens from the BMCC.
Thanks for watching, and yes both these cameras produce great images. For my style it's a tad easier to get it looking how I want on the Blackmagic. But you can't go wrong either way!
There’s very little character to the look of the FX6. Now, that’s not to say a proper cinema glass with a talented colorist couldn’t make it look like anything but compared to the black magic and the cost savings, this is a no-brainer. Thanks for the comparison.
But can you make the Blackmagic sterile and clinical? What happens if you’re shooting a comedy? Comedies tend to be known for their bright colors, and crystal clear image. People don’t exactly want to watch a Jude Apatow comedy movie that looks like Tony Scott’s Domino. What happens if you’re shooting a scene where the characters are watching a news segment? Last I checked news segments are shot on clinically sharp cameras with clinically sharp lenses, not desaturated grainy barrel roll distorted images with lens flares. The Blackmagic is not a no brainer, if it was I’d own it and not my A7S III. You can always add, but you can’t always take away. Just use dehancer if you want your awesome Sony image to look like nasty obsolete celluloid film.
Love this test. So nice to see well lit and composed footage (yes I know a lot is just natural light). the last test was really telling. both cameras looked beautiful. once i saw both it was easy to tell which was which but when i saw just the a cam i wasn't sure.
Thank you Joe, I appreciate the kind words matey. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I loved using both cameras I feel with all the options we have now there's no excuse to not make a film.
@@films_by_aw you’re welcome! Have to present a bit of a different view on barriers to making a film though. To me cameras are kind of like pens. Pens are the least of the things keeping one from writing a book. Same for cameras and making a movie. Here’s my list in my order of importance: Compelling script Compelling actors Well-recorded sound Skilled lighting Creative blocking/shot selection Natural or created production design Better lenses Better camera
@@JoeShapiro Yes only Handheld. Zeiss CP2 Lenses and Gryo in Davinci if you want absoult no micro jitter. But you need to know how far you can go with it
@@davidschwan how wide were the CP2s? Yes the gyro will cure it but at the expense of both using a shutter angle that kills motion blur and framing loosely enough that the stabilization zoom won’t clobber your frame. Too much to accept for me.
Agree with all the comments here. Although, I’m a fx6 user and the footage here for the fx6 seems to be leaning more towards a magenta shift - sorry if you mentioned that already somewhere in the video, but do you think this is because of the Alexa LUT you’re using?
Perhaps, but I've had that slight shift towards magenta with other LUTs I've used on the FX6. To be honest I don't mind it, I like that the cameras have slightly different colours, and it's more noticeable when comparing cameras side by side. But I think without correction the FX6 does lean slightly more magenta than the other cameras I've compared it against (the Kinefinity, Red Komodo, Blackmagic) but I don't think it's worse, just different.
@@films_by_awoh I agree, I just wondered if that LUT shifted it further. My usual workflow involves the using the CST’s within resolve just to convert to the DWG workspace back to rec.709 and there’s certainly still a shift. As you say, it’s great that different cameras have these slight changes 👍
Hey man , I'm the owner of the fx6 and the lut and I'm not sure why there's a magenta shift tbh footage looks great but I see the magenta shift, tbh the model we shot in the house has a pretty pale complexion so maybe that made it more obvious, but it's weird because I shoot interviews and get a neutral image 🤷🏼♂️ maybe it's because we see the difference with the black magic footage @@mr.shutterz5348
I love the quality of the FX6 but BM looks excellent too 👍🏻 I have the FX6 and the small ZVE1 and especially as a solo creator is this combo ver good 😉 best cinematic greetings from germany
Prefered the warmer B footage, gotta say it's wild we live in times where you can get a BMD 6KFF for $1500 that looks like cinema quality. I do find I like the Sony look for some action or more real life shots, the 6KFF has a more dream look or less real life IMHO. Today the camera is not a limiting factor in shooting, our skills and imagination are what counts most.
We are spoiled for choice now. We've come a long way since the 5D mark 2. I just want everyone to go out and shoot their film, because with the access to this supposedly lower end cameras, you can get fantastic images. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching
6KFF have dream look is you don't know how to use it with nice color graded you just can unlock the same look the fx6 but with color that fx6 can't produce and these little variation give you real colors something impossible on FX6. I don't understand the word (real life shot) there? The simple fact of what you say is that you are blind by the color that smartphone give. FX6 is really nice but can't give credible colors in fact. can you see the yellow, purple.. on your skin on Fx6? No and on 6KFF looks like yes ! And that's so nice cheaper cam arrived at this level. If you compare Arri vs 6KFF they really look the same when you don't try Iso. With Iso 6KFF looks quickly like FX6 and next evil colors. That the difference between cheaper and expensive cam today. How iso change the reality
All cameras are just too good. Anything beyond 2020, its all good. Perhaps what we need now is not image quality but more of functionality, usability and features that can make us run and gun filmmakers have an easier shooting time.
Yes I feel like with image quality we've reached the point of diminishing returns, what matters now is quality of life features. Make it easier for us to get the pictures we want, that's all the manufacturers need to do.
Great comparison and both look really amazing to be honest. One question: why didn't you use color management for both camera's? I think the Alexa LUT has more of a 'look' to it, it seems less crunchy and a bit better color separation than the Davinci color management. Maybe if both would be color managed it would be even easier to compare.
I did at first, but I must admit it just didn't look as good. We monitored with the Sony 2 Alexa LUT in camera, and the CST settings were coming in a bit hot with the highlights. So I would have needed to color correct it all, which I didn't need to do for the Blackmagic (even though I monitored that from a different LUT), make of that what you will. But thanks for watching and I appreciate the comment.
Out of the box color doesn't matter unless you really do no post grading... What really matters is infrastructure.. sdi, timecode.. and of course an industry standard brand is HUGE when it comes to getting your gear on a project. Blackmagic just doesn't have the same kinda pull Sony has
What’s happening with all the flicker in the shots? It’s happening on both cameras so I’m guessing it’s something to do with how you are editing it? It’s really shows up at 10:31 but looks to be in a lot of the shots.
@@films_by_awSo weird sorry for the mixup. I just noticed it on another video from someone else on UA-cam. I’m using an iPhone 15. Maybe it’s a glitch in the UA-cam app. I don’t think it’s my phone because it’s only happening when I’m on UA-cam.
Because when considering the Electronic ND to get exposure on the FX6, it would have taken us too long to screw off then screw back on fixed (NDs). It's not a way I like shooting, and the colour shift wasn't bad/noticeable in my opinion.
I have owned both and the image on the 6KFF is definitely better. Sharper but also more organic. Much nicer skin tones and more pleasing colors, way better highlight rolloff. The built-in ND and autofocus on the FX6 are great, but the autofocus still isn't foolproof. The false colors and conventional ISO adjustments make the 6KFF way easier to expose, instead of setting the CineEI and using the itty bitty histogram and zebras on the Sony. I sold my FX6 and bought a Lumix S5iiX AND a 6KFF with change left over.
For me it is easier to get the image I like with the 6KFF, not to say the FX6 isn't great, just to my taste I prefer the 6KFF's look. However if I was still a working camera operator (I direct more these days), the FX6 would be a no brainer, as it's just ergonomically easier to use. But Sony really needs to stop gatekeeping False Color.
Yea, the Blackmagic looks like it has slightly better DR… at least in the highlights… and has better motion cadence than the FX6. Sonys motion has always been its weakest link (besides the Venice).
@@evgeniy9582 basically just how the camera actually processes the frames. Even though they all shoot 24p... the internals and processing (internal shutter speed, ect) render the motion a bit differently.
FX6: More dynamic range, (very good) Auto focus, compressed formats, crazy good internal ND, way better low light. BM6KFF: Higher resolution, more mojo, internal RAW. Practically speaking, the FX6 will always be a bit more versatile for paying jobs. The Black magic is a little more fun.
They’re not different cameras, they’re both cameras with different features. One is outdated with a lack of 6k and open gate the other doesn’t have super high frame rates. I got my Cinema 6k for $1700 and can use my GH6 for high frames rates. I use cinema lenses as well so I don’t need AF.
Yeah it's hard to compare two different cameras, they've gotten so good these days I don't think you can go wrong with any. It has gotten to the point where you'll only buy a camera now depending on what your needs are like internal ND, xlr ports, if it's big or small etc!
Bmpcc wins for image quality. But when you’re a solo operator, nothing beats FX6 for speed of use. For doc work, it made all other cameras obsolete
It is a workhorse for sure. It has it's Sony quirks, but I love using it. Its the modern day EX3!
@@films_by_aw yeah the Blackmagic has the best colors, it beats everything in my opinion Fuji, Panasonic, etc...however I use the FX30 simply because of the autofocus...one man band so I need the autofocus for my style of shooting..
@@seancloutier2577 I’m still trying to make a go at it with a blackmagic. We’ll see! Right now the micro jitters are killing me but I’m getting a Canon 17-55 IS f/2.8 which is supposed to be a dream in that respect.
What a time to be alive! ❤❤❤ I’m not complaining at all!
Never has there been such access at all budget levels to cameras that can make beautiful images, it is really all about the talent in front and behind the camera that makes a film great
My guess on the blind test was right but I think that was only due to your previous examples helping me spot the differences.
In your blind tests I fet they were near even. For my money, I prefer the skin tones, blues and greens from the BMCC.
Thanks for watching, and yes both these cameras produce great images. For my style it's a tad easier to get it looking how I want on the Blackmagic. But you can't go wrong either way!
There’s very little character to the look of the FX6. Now, that’s not to say a proper cinema glass with a talented colorist couldn’t make it look like anything but compared to the black magic and the cost savings, this is a no-brainer. Thanks for the comparison.
Thanks for watching!
But can you make the Blackmagic sterile and clinical? What happens if you’re shooting a comedy? Comedies tend to be known for their bright colors, and crystal clear image. People don’t exactly want to watch a Jude Apatow comedy movie that looks like Tony Scott’s Domino. What happens if you’re shooting a scene where the characters are watching a news segment? Last I checked news segments are shot on clinically sharp cameras with clinically sharp lenses, not desaturated grainy barrel roll distorted images with lens flares. The Blackmagic is not a no brainer, if it was I’d own it and not my A7S III. You can always add, but you can’t always take away. Just use dehancer if you want your awesome Sony image to look like nasty obsolete celluloid film.
@@walmartpimp2 You Sony fanboys get so upset about anything. 🙄
Love this test. So nice to see well lit and composed footage (yes I know a lot is just natural light). the last test was really telling. both cameras looked beautiful. once i saw both it was easy to tell which was which but when i saw just the a cam i wasn't sure.
Thank you Joe, I appreciate the kind words matey. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I loved using both cameras I feel with all the options we have now there's no excuse to not make a film.
@@films_by_aw you’re welcome! Have to present a bit of a different view on barriers to making a film though. To me cameras are kind of like pens. Pens are the least of the things keeping one from writing a book. Same for cameras and making a movie. Here’s my list in my order of importance:
Compelling script
Compelling actors
Well-recorded sound
Skilled lighting
Creative blocking/shot selection
Natural or created production design
Better lenses
Better camera
6KFF With DJI Focus Pro is a Game changer for me!
My friend has a Focus Pro and has nothing but praise for it.
Just gotta make sure you bring a tape measure 🤣@@films_by_aw
@@davidschwan are you using it handheld and if so what lenses? How’s the micro jitter?
@@JoeShapiro Yes only Handheld. Zeiss CP2 Lenses and Gryo in Davinci if you want absoult no micro jitter. But you need to know how far you can go with it
@@davidschwan how wide were the CP2s? Yes the gyro will cure it but at the expense of both using a shutter angle that kills motion blur and framing loosely enough that the stabilization zoom won’t clobber your frame. Too much to accept for me.
Agree with all the comments here. Although, I’m a fx6 user and the footage here for the fx6 seems to be leaning more towards a magenta shift - sorry if you mentioned that already somewhere in the video, but do you think this is because of the Alexa LUT you’re using?
Perhaps, but I've had that slight shift towards magenta with other LUTs I've used on the FX6. To be honest I don't mind it, I like that the cameras have slightly different colours, and it's more noticeable when comparing cameras side by side. But I think without correction the FX6 does lean slightly more magenta than the other cameras I've compared it against (the Kinefinity, Red Komodo, Blackmagic) but I don't think it's worse, just different.
@@films_by_awoh I agree, I just wondered if that LUT shifted it further. My usual workflow involves the using the CST’s within resolve just to convert to the DWG workspace back to rec.709 and there’s certainly still a shift. As you say, it’s great that different cameras have these slight changes 👍
Hey man , I'm the owner of the fx6 and the lut and I'm not sure why there's a magenta shift tbh footage looks great but I see the magenta shift, tbh the model we shot in the house has a pretty pale complexion so maybe that made it more obvious, but it's weird because I shoot interviews and get a neutral image 🤷🏼♂️ maybe it's because we see the difference with the black magic footage @@mr.shutterz5348
What Atomos monitor are you using on the 6K Fullframe? Didn't know they did a 5 inch one that has both SDI and HDMI
Hey bud, it's the OG Shinobi, it's my old reliable trusty monitor that I've had for 4+ years now. It's sad they went away from that.
@@films_by_aw ah thanks!
I love the quality of the FX6 but BM looks excellent too 👍🏻 I have the FX6 and the small ZVE1 and especially as a solo creator is this combo ver good 😉 best cinematic greetings from germany
That ZvE1 looks ideal for vlogging as well as a b camera. Sounds like a good set up!
Prefered the warmer B footage, gotta say it's wild we live in times where you can get a BMD 6KFF for $1500 that looks like cinema quality. I do find I like the Sony look for some action or more real life shots, the 6KFF has a more dream look or less real life IMHO. Today the camera is not a limiting factor in shooting, our skills and imagination are what counts most.
We are spoiled for choice now. We've come a long way since the 5D mark 2. I just want everyone to go out and shoot their film, because with the access to this supposedly lower end cameras, you can get fantastic images. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching
6KFF have dream look is you don't know how to use it with nice color graded you just can unlock the same look the fx6 but with color that fx6 can't produce and these little variation give you real colors something impossible on FX6. I don't understand the word (real life shot) there? The simple fact of what you say is that you are blind by the color that smartphone give. FX6 is really nice but can't give credible colors in fact. can you see the yellow, purple.. on your skin on Fx6? No and on 6KFF looks like yes ! And that's so nice cheaper cam arrived at this level. If you compare Arri vs 6KFF they really look the same when you don't try Iso. With Iso 6KFF looks quickly like FX6 and next evil colors. That the difference between cheaper and expensive cam today. How iso change the reality
All cameras are just too good. Anything beyond 2020, its all good. Perhaps what we need now is not image quality but more of functionality, usability and features that can make us run and gun filmmakers have an easier shooting time.
Yes I feel like with image quality we've reached the point of diminishing returns, what matters now is quality of life features. Make it easier for us to get the pictures we want, that's all the manufacturers need to do.
It's not only about camera and image, it's also about workflows, codes and lens ... Hard to change it form one to another, stick to one you have.
Buy what you like and master it, that always gives the best results!
Great comparison and both look really amazing to be honest. One question: why didn't you use color management for both camera's? I think the Alexa LUT has more of a 'look' to it, it seems less crunchy and a bit better color separation than the Davinci color management. Maybe if both would be color managed it would be even easier to compare.
I did at first, but I must admit it just didn't look as good. We monitored with the Sony 2 Alexa LUT in camera, and the CST settings were coming in a bit hot with the highlights. So I would have needed to color correct it all, which I didn't need to do for the Blackmagic (even though I monitored that from a different LUT), make of that what you will. But thanks for watching and I appreciate the comment.
@@films_by_aw Ah I see, that makes sense. And the overall conclusion still stands that both are just amazing camera's! Thanks for making these tests.
@@RubenStuveling Thanks man, I appreciate you watching and commenting. And yes they both are!
every time I think about getting an FX3 OR FX6, I watch a video and im quickly reminded that Blackmagic has a look that Sony FX cameras dont have!
Magic in Blackmagic for sure.
Out of the box color doesn't matter unless you really do no post grading... What really matters is infrastructure.. sdi, timecode.. and of course an industry standard brand is HUGE when it comes to getting your gear on a project. Blackmagic just doesn't have the same kinda pull Sony has
What’s happening with all the flicker in the shots? It’s happening on both cameras so I’m guessing it’s something to do with how you are editing it? It’s really shows up at 10:31 but looks to be in a lot of the shots.
I'm not sure what flicker you are talking about, there isn't any on my edit.
@@films_by_awSo weird sorry for the mixup. I just noticed it on another video from someone else on UA-cam. I’m using an iPhone 15. Maybe it’s a glitch in the UA-cam app. I don’t think it’s my phone because it’s only happening when I’m on UA-cam.
No worries, that's a strange glitch! But thanks for watching
Thank you for this!
Thanks for watching
Why don't you use a fixed ND?
Because when considering the Electronic ND to get exposure on the FX6, it would have taken us too long to screw off then screw back on fixed (NDs). It's not a way I like shooting, and the colour shift wasn't bad/noticeable in my opinion.
@@films_by_aw Would have taken less than 10 seconds really. VND has polarizing effect and make image look dull.
I don't see that issue on the footage, but fair enough. And nothing takes 10 seconds in film, unless they are magnetic
@@films_by_aw Are you sure you cant swap a screw in filter in under 10 seconds?
@@simonc4764 Well that sounds like a challenge, maybe I'll time in and see how long I take to do it in UA-cam Stories video
I have owned both and the image on the 6KFF is definitely better. Sharper but also more organic. Much nicer skin tones and more pleasing colors, way better highlight rolloff. The built-in ND and autofocus on the FX6 are great, but the autofocus still isn't foolproof. The false colors and conventional ISO adjustments make the 6KFF way easier to expose, instead of setting the CineEI and using the itty bitty histogram and zebras on the Sony. I sold my FX6 and bought a Lumix S5iiX AND a 6KFF with change left over.
For me it is easier to get the image I like with the 6KFF, not to say the FX6 isn't great, just to my taste I prefer the 6KFF's look. However if I was still a working camera operator (I direct more these days), the FX6 would be a no brainer, as it's just ergonomically easier to use. But Sony really needs to stop gatekeeping False Color.
Black magic takes it for your grade
blackmagic has more of a cinematic look. sony looks too soapy and clinical
I love the Blackmagic look, but the Sony looks good too, it's subjective I think.
Yea, the Blackmagic looks like it has slightly better DR… at least in the highlights… and has better motion cadence than the FX6. Sonys motion has always been its weakest link (besides the Venice).
@@Frontigenics sorry for silly question what is motion cadence?
@@evgeniy9582 basically just how the camera actually processes the frames. Even though they all shoot 24p... the internals and processing (internal shutter speed, ect) render the motion a bit differently.
@@Frontigenics Thank you so much for explaining. Very interesting to learn about this.
FX6: More dynamic range, (very good) Auto focus, compressed formats, crazy good internal ND, way better low light.
BM6KFF: Higher resolution, more mojo, internal RAW.
Practically speaking, the FX6 will always be a bit more versatile for paying jobs. The Black magic is a little more fun.
Good summary
Blackmagic
They’re not different cameras, they’re both cameras with different features. One is outdated with a lack of 6k and open gate the other doesn’t have super high frame rates. I got my Cinema 6k for $1700 and can use my GH6 for high frames rates. I use cinema lenses as well so I don’t need AF.
Do cinema lenses have AF?
Outdated? Wow, that's a very interesting opinion.
They're not different cameras? So they are the same camera?
The FX6 makes skin look bad.
Yikes, maybe it is the LUT, but I do prefer the skin tones of the BM6K
totally the question is can you match the color skin of 6kFF to Fx and compare? I think 6KFF win and isn't far from Arri without Iso needed.
In my humble opinion: fx6 looks better
Thanks for watching! The FX6 does look great!