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Seems pretty obvious now they design a character with a full, satisfying, good kit; then take away parts of it to hide it behind constellations. When the game first came out the constellations felt way more like additions to already functional kits...
Gameplay additions through consts is where I draw the line Dmg boost is fine, at the end of the day c0 DMG is fine, but locking better gameplay or entire passive changes through consts kinda sucks
@@TheGenshinScientist I think game play additions can be fine, IF they are "alternative". Like Yelan or Nahida C6, where you take a character with one role and now they can be used in a different one as well. Their base role is still perfectly functional, so it isn't a "create a problem, sell you a solution" case, but rather, if you really like this character, here is a way you can use them even more. However, I do think there is a risk with those. If they are too weak, they're a bad con. But if they're strong enough to warrant using the character in that role due to them, then players might find them necessary, to a certain degree. Kind of like Raiden's C2. So such a con needs to be in the C4 0like Chevy) to C6 range, but that then makes it whale only for five stars (and also makes four stars painful... as C6 four-star niche support wanters can attest). It is a hard line to walk, though. At what point does something go from QoL to "create a problem to sell you a solution"? Yelan's C1, probably QoL. Hu Tao's C1? Well, you can do jump cancels, but it is definitely more annoying. How about Eula's C2, which frees you from the stupidity of the 8s cooldown for her hold E? Something that already has a use limitation due to needing a charge to debuff...
Only C1s that I feel are scummy amongst released characters are Neuvi's C1 (but ONLY the interruption to resistance part), Wriothesley and Hu Tao's. Not having these constellations feels like what I'd call a "punitive damage loss" rather than just being a "damage loss". In that if you don't have a perfect mastery of the character, you are punished HEAVILY. You need extremely precise timing to make the most out of Wrizzley without it. You need to know how to jump cancel (good luck on mobile or with a controller) for Hu Tao if you don'T want to drain her stamina too fast. You need a shielder for Neuvi or need to time and position your attacks perfectly. I don't have an issue with most other low-level constellations (C1 and C2), of the top of my head. They're all pretty much damage/support capability boosts - with some providing a bigger buff than others obviously. Even energy-related constellations, which allows you to replace an ER% sands or weapon by something else, are damage/support capability improvements. Even the other part of Neuvi's C1 is fine (it's not like he NEEDS 3 different elements to activate his special charged attack - it's just a DPS increase if you want to play him with a hydro teammate).
signature : allows you to do *two* normal attack , you have to unlock the normal attack (c1) first, you can perform upto 6 normal attack every 30s on R5
@@VideoGamer8The point being made here is that, because it is so unlikely, you have to go out of your way to either save hundreds more fates for the character you want, or cave and swipe away till you see gold sparkles. You could spend all your savings trying to get the character and still their kit is incomplete. You could use the 3 fates you have trying to get it, but unless you have godlike luck then it’s not gonna happen.
5 stars are turning into 4 stars. 5 Stars used to have complete kits at c0 and things to add on with cons, while 4 stars used to need a few cons to be good. Now 5 stars need a few cons and most 4 stars need c6. Why? Greed.
Idk what do you mean ,most 5 stars released are perfectly fine at C0 and some of them are the strongest Units in the game at that (uhmmm "Nuevillette") . You can still use Wriothesly or Chiori ,it's that their C1 makes them more versatile and have qul changes .
@@DojafishNeuvillette and furina are an exception, so using them as an example doesn't prove anything. They're an exception because both of those characters are extremely major, furina being the hydro archon and neuvillette being the hydro dragon. Mihoyo does not want another zhongli situation as proven by how busted every archon is to the point where archon are the best in their element. The difference is, both wriothsly and chiori basically NEED their c1s, that's the problem this dude has. The closest example before 4.0 is hu tao wanting her c1 in order to make her very top tier.
@@aisaback6221 they don't need their C1 ,and that already proven with Wriothesly and I think that already quite know . Also Chiori isn't unplayable at C0 ,she is just niche and her c1 removes the need for the niche . Its like calling characters like Gorou unplayable because he needs geo units to work.
If they made it so constellations add something EXTRA to the characters instead of FIXING the characters, that would be fine. It feels like you're trying to salvage your investment instead of adding more positive value, you're removing negative value. Just like real world marketing, bring the problem, sell the solution. Scummy.
First of all, its your problem if you didn't save up a lot during Sumeru. I have nearly 100k primos. And I still managed to have c2 Nahida and Nilou. Now c2 Furina, and XianYun. If you didn't manage your primos properly, its not my problem. I knew MHY is going to do this after they failed Sumeru, which led to us saving up a lot of primos. Now they are enticing us with constellations to spend all the primos that we have saved up. It is us, the "disciplined" bunch, they are targeting. If you are not their target market, you can always skip it. Just like Apple isn't trying to market their iphones to everyone. Many companies have tier list in their product, MHY is doing the same for the product. If you are one of the unfortunate souls that didn't do your homework because you took the advice of pull whoever you like, now you suffer the consequences. I have already said many many times that "pull whoever you like" shouldn't be the general advice. It may work during the "good times", but it certainly is not a long run strategy. Its just an excuse to not do your homework.
@@shikyokira3065 lol OK "u should have played more 🤓" sorry I wasn't there during Sumeru, blablabla ur issue, please keep assuming more about my pull choice and reasoning and keep missing the point. Thanks for your meaningful contribution.
@@planetary-rendez-vous Oh no, it is you who is missing the point of my comment. I have made it clear on the rational behind their decision. You don't understand my point is not me missing the point. You think its a scummy move, but I don't see it that way. I didn't say its your pull choice, I said that specific strategy is a bad strategy. If you feel so personal about it, maybe it is directed to you. If it isn't your pull choice, then its not for you. Don't need to take everything I said so personal. You could educate yourself and know that this isn't for you and then move on rather than cry about it. Imagine they are selling you Iphone, the complete cost is $800. But the incomplete ones are priced at $400 and $600 respectively, with a lot of missing functionalities, such as camera, 5g and so on. You can literally buy a $400 phone from another brand that has all the complete functionalities but lower specs. No need to cry about getting a shitty incomplete iphone. MHY can't control the price of their product, so they can only use constellations to "mark up" their product.
@@shikyokira3065"MHY can't control the price of their product" They can literally put a 70% discount on their cristals next patch for a whole month, and they'd still make millions. If they don't it it's because greed and nothing else.
i got her c1 and i still feel she needed more than this at c0. they REALLY did her dirty. the multipliers in her burst needed to be, idk, twice as much.
she needs full c6 to be competitive with everyone else. That's how hard they fkd her design over. It's like they ran out of time internally to deisgn/polish her and decided to throw her away to the players like a half-built, half-broken toy. @@GenshinYuppe
Honestly it wouldn't even be _so_ bad if we had some way of getting constellations for characters we already own that wasn't tied to wishing. But this is Hoyoverse we're talking about, so
This, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Let abyss drop some sort of "Fate Fragments" (just seems like such a genshin name for an item like this) and have stella fortunas for sale.
Would be nice if you could get that for like spiral abyss or another end game thing where every week or so you can get a token and with a certain amount you can get a constelation like with the hertas store in hsr
@@DM-bw7hj kinda sad to say that this is exactly why Genshin will never have any difficult content. People bitched when events required effort, even if the rewards were just ores and mora. People bitched that Inazuma's puzzles were too hard (they're not). People *still* bitch because they miss 50-100 primos from not finishing floor 12 of the abyss. I genuinely hate this part of the community. Like, at least let there be difficult content for those who want it. But no, if too many people in the community are unable to complete it, it'll never happen because people will complain, regardless of rewards/no rewards. Sometimes I hate it here.
Constellation creep has been my second biggest problem with this game, first being the growing damage gap between signature weapons and their alternatives.
Also the utility/buffing gap between signatures and alternatives. Xianyun's weapon is stupid strong for her - it cures her energy issues immediately at even R1 and also provides a massive buff to the plunge DPS. Plus, curing her energy issues lets you build more ATK%, for bigger heals/buffs. If it only did one of these things, or did both at half the power, I'd be pretty apathetic towards it. Instead, it's stupid strong, even better than her C1 for combat purposes. I don't think many people would care about her C1 if it weren't so good for exploration, or if weapon banner wasn't so scummy. C2R1 Xianyun is kinda crazy, and I say that as someone who has a couple C2R1 limited characters (not a whale, I just finished my abyss teams and decided to pull for fun and favorites).
wrio c1 was really criminal, its just a missing part of his kit. neuvillette i feel is more fair, his kit is already flush and c1 makes team building easy. i still dont like these type of cons it feels like we're getting cheated
It does cut both ways, though. It also sucks when you're spending just as many primos to get another copy of the character, and in return you get something pretty worthless. Like most of the cons on the OG five stars...
Neuv and Wrio are basically the same tho, Neuv gets 100% interruption resistance and 25% dps increase, Wrio is hp positive and gets like 15-20% dmg increase Both are scammy but I think Chiori is even harder tbh cuz unlike Wrio and Neuv, her kit is already restricted by having to play with specific characters (Geo construct users) and c1 removes a part of the restriction but still requires her to have another geo character in the team
the interruption resist is the main "fix" from neuv's C1. He's the first character in the game where sustained charge atks is the main DPS source, and if you get interrupted it's a huge dps loss... so naturally they locked super armor behind c1
@@drigoykzeh, I feel Neuvi C1 is more valid than Wrio’s. The dmg increase from both C1 might be similar-ish but Neuvi feels complete at C0 and his C1 is an upgrade. Wrio’s C1 is like someone sold you a bike and said you have to buy the wheels separately, lol. The C1 upgrade should be his base level, not an add on.
Chiori c1 feels so scummy , shes already just a geo sub dps she should at least be able to be played with all other geo character team types but they lock her already limited flexibility behind a constellation
Well because she is made to make geo construct more relevant in a way :v I mean it is their intention to do that lol. Also it helps with the sale so from business stand point they are just doing business
@@chihaotran1568smarty, no one here is disagreeing it’s business… that’s actually the whole point I like though the idea of balancing her around constructs so that her contribution to geo teams with those is stronger, this can actually be healthy for the game since Itto needed something like this to be more competitive. It all comes down to balance though, and removing this limitation with C1 such an obvious bait. They will likely push down Chiori’s potential at C0 to make C1 more appealing and like TGS I don’t like this direction
@@chihaotran1568 By limiting Chiori's viability exclusively to mono-geo, they're effectively discouraging the wider demographic from ever wishing for her. I like her design, but I never intend to build an Itto team. As a result, she's a complete skip for me. I don't see how that helps them from a business standpoint. People who like Itto would go for him regardless of Chiori, but even they might not go for her. That's pretty much the same as Ayaka and Shenhe, but way more niche and restrictive.
Unfortunately, it is just another case of a company creating a problem and selling a solution. It's also good to know that in reality, the constellations aren't necessarily make-or-break the character, even though a few of them were purposefully designed to make it look like so
I think its because genshin is getting older and to indirectly power creep old units they make the new units incomplete to be just equally strong as the old ones but the early cons are better than the old ones so that there is an indirect power creep but not in c0
In the end of the day this gacha game and for profit company, and this is catch 22 situation for them, I remember people moaning about useless Constellation on Xiao and Ganyu you either go C0 or c6
Small essay incoming: @@alessioskomneos655sure, but there's a whole spectrum between useless cons and cons that fix pre-made flaws in characters. Wrio is basically just cryo Hu Tao in that sense. His C1 makes him feel better to play and gives him a decent-to-huge damage increase over C0. Problem is, he's not very good at C0 and Hu Tao is still fully functional (if annoying to play) at C0. In my opinion, late Inazuma and early Sumeru had the 5 star cons just right. C1/C2 are moderate damage increases and occasionally change the way a unit is played in a minor or moderate way (nothing huge like Chiori could be). Fontaine started strong with that. Lyney has really fair C1/C2 that are strong damage increases. Neuvi was complete at C0, and C1 allowed him to ditch a shield in favor of a buffer. Everything falls apart after Wriothesley. Wrio C1 completely changes his teams and play style, while giving a moderate damage increase. Furina C1/C2 lets her be played in many teams she would otherwise be clunky in, and gives a major buff to her buffing potential. Xianyun has the most egregious R1 in the game - but at least she's functional without it, and is niche enough to halfway justify it. With C1R1 Xianyun, her ER problems are honestly non-existent, but she's only really good with Gaming, Xiao, and some other less obvious units. Chiori C1 is shaping up to be as scummy as possible. Useless to teams using Itto/Zhongli/Albedo and *everything* to teams like Navia or Noelle. It only serves to piss off every Geo player.
@@alessioskomneos655 Ganyu's cons are much better than Xiao's. Her C1 is already darn good. Xiao's C1 is just an extra charge on his skill that already has a 10 sec cooldown, so you're only getting the perk once. We don't talk about his C4. And his C1 only becomes worth when paired with C6, like Ganyu's C2.
@@Empressranda She's better numerically and also in practical gameplay. Unlike Albedo's flimsy flower, you don't have to worry about Chiori's dolls breaking or not hitting shielded enemies. Also, the elevator can be extremely annoying in combat.
@@DylanC333 lol no, that's literally what makes Nilou, Nilou. that is her playstyle. her play style is already VERY restrictive. people would not play her if she lost that. genshin is not that dumb
@@DylanC333 Nilou's release was met with a lot of negativity saying that it was a very bad design because it was so niche, so restrictive, so weak, so early (there were few dendro chars back then). i'm not saying that hoyo is not greedy because they are.
I’ve been noticing this too and every time I see them do this to such a fun character like wriothesley and basically make it seem like you will never be as good as a c1 wrio it really makes you not want to pull for that unit. so I just completely skipped him. Because if I can never get that level of strength. Without wasting like 200 dollars why even go for that unit? This is something mihoyo has to realize, like I get it they need money but making clunky/incomplete characters at c0 just isn’t it.
Well from their perspective, this design philosophy has actually increased the money people spend on a character (since more people go for c1), so it seems to be "it" for them.
I think a lot of us feel the same way, hence why wrio being one of the coolest character with a very baiting C1 still did garbage on revenue (I know he was between Neuv + Furina) but hear me out. Ever since when he first dropped, reddit wrio main's post were all about how hoyo abused their dedicated fans. Because if you want him to perform well, well, you will think you need C1. Whereas the "whatever" group of people who just thinks hes cool and normally would go for C0, feels like they won't get the most out of him, therefore they don't pull at all. After all, Wrio will always live with a bad name and will never sell well imo.
@@cofume He had basically the same sales as Neuvillette and did better than Lyney, all while sharing the banner with a less popular unit. Not sure how that is "doing garbage"
@@dareijos4282I don’t expect his rerun doing well tho and that’s what really matters because on the 1st banner release people wish for the character but on the rerun they wish for the unit. And 5* units are criticized heavily at c0.
@@littlebigeats7682doesn't matter to Hoyo so long as they get paid. If the unit is trash and the character is good, and they still get their sales, they have no incentive to change anything. Since Wrio still got sales at release, all they learned was that they needed good writing. If his rerun does poorly, they'll just rerun him less often, and replace his reruns with other, better selling units.
Locking significant parts of their kit behind constellations punishes F2P and dolphin players much more for not saving hundreds of fates to get them, which of course applies to most of the playerbase. Knowing that I’m using a version of a character that is quite literally inferior because they’re missing something in their kit feels scummy.
If you really want your favorite character unlock full potential, then saving for them instead of pull for everyone at c0 . It's fair ok, people have saved for them for a long time should have been rewared with a stronger version of a character .
That's the way it's always been but worse than you think. The full real character is c6 every other version is gimped in some way. I've got a c3 r5 raiden and she's gimped she doesn't lower cool downs or give the attack bonus or whatever c4 does I don't remember.
It's kind of hit or miss. Wriothesley and potentially Chiori: yeah, pretty scummy. I won't pull for incomplete 5-stars like that. Doesn't matter how much I like their design/personality/etc. Neuvillette and Hu Tao are still great units at C0, though C1 for both is a nice bonus. Navia literally just came out, and she's awesome at C0. Her cons are essentially just damage boosts, nice as they may be. Hell, we had Alhaithem come out just a year ago. He's incredibly strong at C0 and his constellations are really lackluster until C6.
For me the First one would prob be Childe, on early Days people tought he needed *c6* to be really playable, Just because of the skill reset Anyway in today standards, basically all Childe cons are worthless 💀
@@zaitop7821 My man Childe built different, no con increase his own damage (cri stats/dmg/element/ignore def) aside from talents lv. Just playing him smoother not hit harder like the rest.
I'm so glad someone is finally talking about this! I think it sucks but I'm not a whale, so I never pull for constellations. If the character is bad at C0, I'm not touching them. I got lucky and pulled Neuv twice, so he's my only C1.
I am just more selective if you skip characters that you care less about you can get some constellations on the ones that you want the most. I have so many characters after 3 years that I use ~half of my build characters anyway. Also building all characters is a massive resource drain.
I have C1 Wrio and I absolutely love him, that said, it’s very annoying that I had to do an extra pull to enjoy him to the fullest. I really wanted Chiori for Navia but that team only being optimal with a C1 is a big deterrent for me this time around, I’m not trying to do this for EVERY character!
100% Agree with you TGS. It's lame they cut stuff out of characters kit and add it to their constellations. Especially 5-stars since they cost money to get. 4-stars you could get a lot of copies over a year if you focus on their banners.
True but they are 4* so its kinda different, everyone will/can get 4* char to c6 eventually, while vast majority of dolphins and f2ps wont see a single limited c6 5* in the whole lifetime of the game(like yea u have exceptions w ppl that save for 2 years or w ppl who just get insanely lucky)
@@aleks_moldiwe aren't talking about C6 5 stars, though. We're talking C6 4 stars and C1/C2 5 stars. It's completely possible and maybe even reasonable to expect a player to only get to like C4 on a 4 star within 300 pulls, because *there's no guarantee on 4 stars*. When you get a 4 star, there's a 50/50 chance it'll be one of the rate-ups (I.e. one on the banner). If it is, then there's a 1/3 chance for it to be one that you want. That's not horrible in the long run, it's actually better than the weapon banner. Plus, as you pull for them you'll work your way to what is likely a desirable 5 star. The problem comes when you have specific 4 stars that rarely rerun or only rerun with specific 5 stars. Characters like Sara, Gorou, and (until recently) Faruzan. You're forced to pull for 5 star cons to get the 4 star cons, that remove problems with the 4 star unit, and sometimes even remove problems with the 5 star unit (like Faruzan curing Xiaos energy issues).
@dinohunter6450 im making an argument that its not that hard to get c6 4* EVENTUALLY (unlike 5*). and ty for explaining game/gatcha mechanics to me like im completly new to the game (im playin since 1.0)
@@aleks_moldi You came in with info that had no relevancy to the conversation. Are you a kid or something? Nobody was talking about 5* C6, and it was pretty damn obvious. And the person you originally replied to was correct: it can take longer to get a C6 4* than a C0 or C1 5*, *THAT* was the original point that flew over your head.
At this point I'll basically keep skipping units until they release someone "complete" at C0. I was gonna pul Chiori for Navia but I'm good with ZL, Noelle and GMC as geo partners for her. This move by Hoyo is a new low (and they've been really striving for new lows lately)
If Xiao was released today he'd only have one charge of elemental skill and C1 will +1 charge, his bonus dmg while ult up to 25% dmg buff will be C2. His old C2 will be C4.
Hoyo gotta bait people to spend more and even the ones that wouldn't do it before because the C2 felt more faraway from a C1, maybe they found something in their data like C0 sales dropping down or not being as high as they wanted given the amount of characters released (plus how the game can be cleared with almost almost everything) and hence adding shiny benefits at C1 instead as bait for those who truly like the character and have easier times playing them or reaching higher potential at lower costs, then they'll consider C2-C3s later and maybe signatures as well and it all spirals from there. Pretty unfortunate but as a business they gotta maximise profit and if this has worked for them, they'll keep doing so.
Thanks for this rant , genshin scientist , i do think this is something that needs to be said and it just sucks honestly...Here , I am waiting for Neuvilette rerun to get his C1 cuz hyv being hyv just had to make the c1 for him so good
Chiori's c1 is basically "you can now use her with navia" . It does basically nothing for her c0 intended team , itto. They fully knew everyone wanted chiori for their shiny new first five star female on fielder in 2 years ,so the decision was easy
Thats what I mean, I love when chars have flaws at c0 because they make you think more about how to use them. I like c0 wrio Constellations that make chars flawless are just boring and bad taste
@@muhammedsultanmustapha6571 it's not really a flaw. Her c0 kit gives you the incentive to use with geo constructs, that gives the constructs a VALUE. Her C1 kinda gets rid of that incentive, and now she works either way, which is kinda sad since that does not help Geo
Yeah, her cons just make her easier to build but don’t add something that’s already missing from her kit or repairing an apparent flaw. She’s already great 👍
To clear something up with chiori's c1, it won't spawn a 3rd puppet it will only remove the need for a geo construct and increase the puppets range for 50%. The puppet summoned by the c1 and by the construct share the limit of 1
Constellations back in the day, it felt like a C0 character was 100% of a character and C1 was 120% of the character. Nowadays, it feels like C0 is 80% of the character and C1 is 100% lol
his issue is that he uses fists. The aoe is decent considering its fists but its still fists. Otherwise hes pretty good. in single target he does work.
@@HeatranoveryouYeah, Genshin’s fist characters feel bad to me too. Other games give fist characters rushdown moves like parry+dashes, gap closers, or AoE combos to feel good. It makes fists feel like a rhythm game to fight with. In Genshin, the fist combat feels like swords with worse AoE.
As A Navia Main. This Was EXACTLY The Point I Made In My Video As Well. I'm So Glad Big Content Creators Are Also Picking It. Amazing Video Brother!. I'm A Huge Fan.❤ Good Work.
Navia has probably become one of c0 dps of all time. A complete kit at c0. you don't feel the need to get more cons Heck even her weapon is only a slight upgrade over serpent spine.
@@AbhishekSingh-nq4rh Yea, Navia was a rare case for recent 5stars that doesn't have any bait cons. And actually feels great and complete at c0. Which I assume thats what this guy is talking about? Or well I hope.
I would love to have these boosts at c0 but as long as the character is decently strong, I’m sure it’s alright seeing as abyss can be cleared with anyone. Only thing I wish wasn’t the case is gate keeping strong characters with ER issues, that’s the biggest concern I usually have with every new unit
I got C2 Furina cuz I wanted to be able to throw her on literally any team with even the most worthless 4-star and have them do competitive damage with relative ease of use. But yeah, the C1 bait has been incredibly palpable as of late. If not for my Furina plan, I’d have C1 Neuvilette right now too. It’s funny too, because when I run him with Zhongli, Jean, and Furina and there’s an enemy that apples an element to itself , I can accidentally get his third stack and suddenly my damage explodes and I’m sitting here thinking “ah, so this is what it would feel like” :’(
There's something that I don't see anyone talking about and it is multiplayer shield cons. Think about it, you can heal your team mates without any problem but you need a con to shield them? That's pretty absurd to me, and even worse, most times the shared shield is much weaker than yours, and some characters can't even shield their team, like Noelle
Great video. As a Neuvi main, I know I don't need his C1 and he's already destroying everything at C0, but it does feel bad that they locked that interrupt resistance and extra stack for his passive behind C1. I've only actively gone for a con once (Hu Tao C1; which is another one that fixes a flaw for a char) because I'd much rather use my wishes to get a brand new character or weapon. So it sucks to feel tempted to get C1 or C2 just to fix a flaw that Hoyo created themselves for a character.
The one that most annoys me is definitely Wriothesley for the reasons you stated. Furina, Nuvi and Lyney both have amazing C1 as well but they are all cracked at C0 while Wriothesley feels pretty damn mid and his C1 just fixes everything. Such god damn bait 😭 at least Hu Tao could get around her issues with jump cancel.
Neuvi is so boring at C0 in abyss that i gave up on using him. I dont mind not getting an extra dmg for constellation or energy recharge but being almost unable to use him on some floors is really annoying. This abyss is a very good example with lots os ranging attacks
I used Jean / Furina / C0 Neuvillette / Fischl on bottom half and didn't experience any issues. Neuv can even hit the bosses when they are flying, and his ability to immediately dump all his damage when they pop up is hugely advantageous.
@@phoenixlau i tried the First half since he is pneuma with ousia enemies but I will try the other one. The big problem is that If you get hit at the beginning of charge attack you have to wait the next rotation and you lose a lot of time
Here's another Character that's one of the most egregious cases: *Dehya.* Dehya's C2 increases her skill's uptime by 6 seconds, which means it has only 2 seconds downtime. It also increases the damage from the coordinated attack of the field by 50% when the active character in the field is attacked. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN HER BASE KIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hu Tao was a one off, but now it's becoming a trend. I think C1s like Yelan's should be the limit, honestly. Helps her ER issues so that you can build her pure dps. In reality it's just more damage, and not much of a gameplay change other than overworld QoL, which is fine. 3/5 Fontaine characters have this issue now, so it's definitely no surprise that Chiori will be like this. Is she still an upgrade for Navia at c0? Sure, but it really does make you feel bad that you're literally missing like a 3rd of her damage due to a restriction that gets fixed with a constellation. Honestly it wouldn't feel bad if they put the construct mechanic on c1, so that you gain that extra damage for her being in mono geo. Mono geo is one of those teams where people are usually dedicated to them enough to pull cons anyway.
Yep, I noticed this too and I tend to go for cons despite that because I get tempted by the power gain. But that's like a personal thing. The rest is pretty much community-driven which is bonkers in a singleplayer game. On hoyolab they hyped each other up to get C3, not just C2, Raiden at her rerun. And recently hoyo upped their banners with solid or beloved 4* units. Always remember that at the worst in 100 pull (!) you might just get 5 on banner 4* characters. And between those it's a 1/3 which means it's not unlikely to not get the 4* you want.
I can’t agree more on everything you said. The problem to me isn’t constellations being strong, but them removing flaws making characters seemingly “perfect”. I don’t get the appeal of Furina C2: it literally removes everything that makes her kit interesting by reducing it to a super cheap and disgustingly strong universal buff for pretty much anything that is not transformative reactions. It’s lame. Personally, as long as C0 characters are balanced and have “reasonable” flaws that add to the depth of the combat mechanics, I’m totally fine, but we’ve already seen how Wriothesley’s passive is a total mess at C0 for no reason other than being fixed by the C1 and I fear that Hoyo wants us to be progressively more used to these tactics so that eventually the will do whatever they want and the player base itself will defend them by saying “you know, it works like that, if you like a character that much you are supposed to save for CX to get the full kit”…
I mean thats what people want a braindead character who does a lot of damage and Hoyo is cahsing out on them. All of Hoyoverse games do the same thing: remove whatever restrictions the character had and buff their damage.
I always thought the constellation system was very bad from the player's perspective. Usually duplicate system in gachas have at least a "normalize" effect like giving levels to skills (C3/5). But the fact that constellations could be anything opens the door for hoyo to abuse it via character design.
I've been noticing that too and I can see your frustrations over it. Me personally, I've never pulled for a limited 5-star con and I never felt like I've needed them (at least not yet) -- though granted the only Fontaine 5-stars I've pulled are Neuvillette and Furina, both characters already insanely strong at C0. For the other characters, I can only judge from how other people have play them, but it doesn't really look to me like they need those cons. Though with so many people getting baited into thinking that those cons are necessary to make them functional... I guess Hoyo's found a way to print more cash from their players and ran with it lol. In any case, I just hope that it really doesn't get to the point where a 5-star is straight up unusable without cons, though I doubt it will happen (for now)
Yeah, I totally agree. That's one of the reasons I personally wouldn't get most of these constellations even if I could and had nothing else to do with my primogems.
Yup I completely agree! I noticed this when they released Wrio and Navia. And this is why, moving forward, I refuse to spend money on this game. I have enough characters that satisfy my needs when it comes to gameplay
Tbh, when wishing for 5* characters I've started to only pull for characters that have f2p weapon choices and can work at c0. The only limited 5* character whose constellation I've ever gone for is Hu Tao and that's because she's my favorite and my first ever limited 5*. Even before I got c1 and her weapon, she was still really good and helped me with major fights in quests.
While I know Wrio C0 is a good enough character, how MHY design his passive, his C1, and the fact that his skill stop working under certain %hp still bother me to this day. I genuinely feel like they going out of their way to make the C0 experience frustrating so the value of C1 that fix everything will be artificially more desirable. It's so lame tbh. I really love Wrio, but these day I just benched him since I still can't cope over this. 😢
Yeah I totally agree with what you said. I have to admit that I've been tented to pull for Neuvillete C1 and also though of saving a lot to get Wrio and his C1 in future reruns, what stops me is to think that I already have very strong teams to clear the only difficult content of the game, the abyss. Even though I have him at C0, my Neuvillete is one of my best geared characters including his signature, so I just pair him with Furina and I'm able to delete everything with not effort. So, why bother? Instead of spending a lot of primogems just for a extra bonus I rater spend it on a new character which is going to add more variety and fun to my game, like Xianyun for example, she enables a lot of combinations which makes me feel relieved of going for her instead of wasting pulls on a constellation. Unless Hoyoverse adds a endgame mode that requires extremely well build characters with constellations (which I highly doubt is going to happen judging how they are been working so far), there's no need to going for constellations specially for F2P players like me.
Ahhh, yes, the good olf Wrizz/Furina pair. I call it the STAR PLATINUM comp. But yeah, even as someone that stops at C0 because I'm severely limited on primos, I have to agree. Constellations are sometimes game breakers that Hoyo seems to abuse now more than ever.
Furina at c0 made me so annoyed by the "I want an aoe healer" restriction that I went for c2 as a f2p, I was already getting my 36*s cuz Im an 1.0 player but jeez man this is getting really bad for newer players wanting the shinning new character.
Except even at C0 she's perfectly fine without AoE healing, you just need to play a little smarter? Like there's an -enormous- amount of teams that pair her with Bennett and other ST healers.
@@Sam-up4ul I did, my Bennett heals for a nice 6669 per tic and I think its more of a me problem, but if a character can buff the team, I want it to be happen instantly and not take time to actually matter. Theres a big difference between getting max stacks instantly with even a lvl 40 1 1 1 Charlotte and *having* to use an aoe healer to be able to enjoy at least half of your rotation at full stacks. Your "fine" is just different than mine I guess, seeing the visual effect for her burst getting max stacks when my dps is almost finishing their rotation just felt wrong and I dont like going out of my way to slot a strong healer just because of a buff, instead of Jean + Furina, might as well just use Kazuha and something else since his buff is lower but it happens at the press of a button. Also, another more personal problem was when I discovered that my Furina couldnt work that well with my Jean if Jean ever gets an anemo particle because I have her c2 and that gives the whole team an atk speed buff... which makes my Yoimiya apply more pyro than Furina can handle lol.
Characters with flaws aren't "balanced", they are simply "flawed". Balancing should be done through numbers, amount of functionality, and environment. Bennett/Xq are imbalanced not because they don't have flaws, but because other characters/enemies weren't upscaled to their powerlevel. It is much more fun to play a character with 1 usefull function instead of playing character with 3 useless functions and a big flaw. Playing around the flaws is simply annoying in most cases, which is a big problem with Genshin characters and renders plenty of them not worth building. And, as mentioned in the video, those flaws are artificially added to characters specifically to sell constellations/signature weapons, which is one of the many disgusting monetization tactics Genshin uses.
Yeah, I don't get why some people like having to deal with characters flaws, when they just make gamplay worse. My favourite part about RPGs is mixing things that synergize to make fun builds. There are a lot of teams and builds I would like to play, but they simply don't work because the characters have dumb limitations like Raiden + Beidou, which is still the worst forced restriction imo. And then there's characters like Kuki and Yae that only work a year later when new mechanics are introduced. All that is just bad gameplay design.
You touched on a point I really agree with and it's that some constellations impact team building in a LESS fun way. Furina is really cool in that she opens up viability for a class of character that wasn't very good before, but getting her constellations removes the necessity to care about that. Neuvillette normally allows characters like baizhu and dehya to shine a bit more through their interrupt resist, but getting his c1 eats into how valuable that overall is. Cons that aren't just number tweaks make some characters less fun at times.
And a lot of players will say that's totally fine since you can easily full star Abyss with everyone at C0 anyways... Honestly, this constellations issue has made me skip a lot of 5* and completely ignore new 4* units.
And even if you can’t because that particular Abyss cycle doesn’t favor your team comps or you keep getting crap artifacts (craptifacts?), it’s only the last floor that you may not be able to fully clear. The rewards are so pitiful that it’s not worth stressing over and getting out your credit card so you can get the latest meta 5 star to clear the last floor is a huge trap. You’ll never be able to break even on your investment and nobody with a mature mindset cares about whether you got 36 stars or not in a video game where stats, luck and money almost completely nullifies skill.
c1 wrio main here, completely agree that his c1 is scummy. I was planning on dropping my entire pull savings on him anyway ever since he got drip marketed, but locking pretty much 80% of his a1's utility and rotation consistency behind c1 is stupid. ESPECIALLY since his best suport is furina (who requires a strong healer at c0)
The real problem is they are also using that to squeeze more money out of ppls desperation. They have been releasing incomplete kits that completely warp a characters base value.
I enjoy C0 Rizzley just fine bruhh. Hes fun n strong, as strong as any other 5 star DPS that i have, but more versatile n tanky. Cus, my Wonderer, Navia, Raiden, Xiao N Diluc don't even have healing in their kit.
He didn't say that wriothesly doesn't work or weak! He is talking about the quality of life change which was meant to be included in his basic kit at c0!! Instead hoyotrash included that in his c1 to milk money out of their milking cows! Ur comment is among the most basic and mundane ones!
You’re not wrong, but it’s a pointless argument. Without harder end-game content what’s the point? Even the flaws at C0 on these 5-stars the game isn’t exactly hard after you’ve been playing a year+
i been saying this since raiden, thats why i stopped pulling chars since frontaine and it getting worse and worse. it been c1 to c2 for 5* and c6 for 4* trend now, tbh i hope genshin die or get alternative so they start to listen and make changes, before any white knight or braindead say quit or delete the game, ppl complain cos they love the game and want it to be better but greedy devs dont listen to anyone also i dont open the game lately as used to do like 1 time per week or so
imagine completing the content endgame without 5* constellations because the content endgame is so crap🗿🗿. As f2p i don't care about constellations and signature weapons but I need more endgame content shit..
thats why i said braindead ppl, do u understand what good char at c0 means( no need for 5*/gacha/bp weapon or cons u just mentioned 2 archons and 1 dragon which should be good at c0 but here's the catch c1 neuv change his gameplay completely and team party/ c1 and c2 furina beyond broken same for nahida. is everyone want to play those chars tho ? another thing navia need gacha weapon or bp to functional lyney same thing his f2p option sucks, why u didnt talk about scara/yae/faru c6/gaming c6/wrio/dehya/cyno. also i didnt say shit about any char but when u add an issue fixed by cons its a big problem or c1 or c2 broken cons cos cons should be for extra dmg thats it also wanna add something when last time did get good 4* without c6 ?@@yoursteban3713
@@adamarafa3595 neuvi c1 doesn't change shit, his best team is with Furina in any case. None of the characters I mentioned need 5 star weapons or even bp ones, Navia is already amazing with the event weapon, lyney also, others you for some reason ignored. I mentioned 2 archons, because you said that after inazuma all went to shit, and these characters came after inazuma. Yae is perfectly functional at c0, same goes for cyno and wanderer. Bringing 4-stars and standard banner characters into 5-star character debate is an amazing move, good job. Scara doesn't have anything locked without faruzan c6, he just can't really play as hypercarry. Wrio is the only character you mentioned, who has issues without constellations. The last time we had good 4star without c6 is right now with Ga Ming, who at c0 has a 64k dps team and than before Chevreuse, who even at c0 is a solid character and before that we had kirara and yaoyao (the last two are still great, its just there are Nahida and Baizhu as strong dendro units, but they are 5stars, so that's not a surprise).
Yeah i don't like when hoyo make a character that either need early cons to fix their glaring issue like wrio or their early cons make them flawless like neuvillete.
They've been doing the "create a problem, sell the solution" business model for a long time. Arkrevner and Tenten also made a video about it way way back. People just noticing this now? Or are people minding it now because MHY keeps doing it?
I understand that some people might be mad about constellations, but for me it never was a problem. I can have fun with my characters at C0, and I don't feel the need for more power.
I'm crazy enough to go for full pity on both Navia and her weapon, but I'm not dumb enough to pull 2 whole Chioris lol. I will patiently wait for a teamwide Geo healer + buffer that functions adequately at C0.
I really hate this cuz i like to go for many chars but it was already hard to catch up in genshin (started 2 years in) and now its even worse if i like a new char
The only cons I ever went for purposely was c2 yelan. I had gotten yelan on release because I absolutely despised using xingqui for clearing abyss, I just wanted another option. I loved the mobility on yelan’s E and I did not have a charge shot gimmick character so I liked that I could charge attack, e skill, then potentially do another charge attack. I liked her so much I had to get her weapon which made her damage insane (I was doing like 50k e’s no reaction and 35k+ charged shots) but I played her w/ low ER and as the main dps in the team. To play her as the sub dps, she really needed more ER and/or switching weapon to sac or fav which significantly lowered her dps. When she came on rerun during fontaine, I already had a cracked account and I really wanted at least her c1 for mobility and I had 200 pulls saved plus I potentially wanted Lynette c6 because I always had wanted to try kazuha c6 with the anemo infusion so basically Lynette was the f2p variant of that. I got her c1 and lost the 50/50 on her c2 but I definitely love the double skill aspect which allowed me to play off field without sacrificing damage for more ER and the double skill really helped w/ mobility around the open world. For other characters, I see what you’re saying about how there’s a problem with character’s kits and the c1 fixes them which reminds me more of 4* that need high cons or c6 to feel functional in a team but for me I’m not really attracted to characters that have these problems after I saw how well my c6 kujo sara aged, I barely use her post dendro. My account can easily beat abyss so I usually just go for c0 and maybe weapon if I really like them.
Also , they have been doing it quite actively in recent patches , if you compare it to hu tao who has one of the most popular C1 in the game and Hu tao came in 1.X patches...
Wanderer seems like one of the first times they did this, since his c1 is needed to be a normal attack spammer like his artifact set and weapon entice, because before then he's a charged attack spammer.
I love wrio to pieces and I actually saved a decent amount of primo just for one copy and his weapon (I'm f2p) so I was pretty bummed when I figured out his C1 was a massive improvement. I was actually lucky enough to get 2 of him in one 10 pull so I never experienced c0 wrio but it still sucks for those who wanted him who only have enough funds to get 1 copy
In case of Neuvilette what I hate the most about his C1 is thet it is basicly just make all of his balance meaningless. He is very strong C0 but with C1 the onl two thing thet balanced him is no longer exist. It is just cringe game design.
@@chihaotran1568 Gameplay and lore was always separated. Like, why one of the best pyro dps is a funeral parlor director? Why the great geo archon who called the god of war have so piss damage output? Etc. etc.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 But honestly, sometimes is nice see Gameplay and Lore wise accurate. And actually the most part of characters gameplay and lore states are separated
@@SuperKevinho1 I think it is a good thing thet Neuvilette is strong, but I think he is just too strong even at C0. It is not really fair. Even lorewise he should be not this strong compered to other gods, he died once and he lost most of his old power. Like, I think currently he should be closer to Raiden and Zhongli streangh even lorewise though I hate talking about streanght of the charatcers in the lore because it is mostly bowl down assumptions and who's father or mother is stronger like in kindergarden. Basicly, we just should separate lore and gamplay on the most part when it is came for streanght. In case of kits I like thet when they build the lore into the kit, like in case of Hu Tao or Furina.
i agree, especially on the issue with wriothesley. i have a really powerful freeze build but playing him is a pain at c0 so i kinda benched him because of that. this means my account improved by little to nothing after getting him
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I like this content! Very informative, helps me make decisions on what cons are worth and not worth it for future characters.
Seems pretty obvious now they design a character with a full, satisfying, good kit; then take away parts of it to hide it behind constellations. When the game first came out the constellations felt way more like additions to already functional kits...
Gameplay additions through consts is where I draw the line
Dmg boost is fine, at the end of the day c0 DMG is fine, but locking better gameplay or entire passive changes through consts kinda sucks
this blood hungriness started with raiden when they saw a lot were aiming for C2 as a baseline
when an entire new playstyle is locked behind c1/c2, it's not fair, constellations should ONLY be damage upgrades and MAYBE new plastyle at c6
@@TheGenshinScientist I think game play additions can be fine, IF they are "alternative". Like Yelan or Nahida C6, where you take a character with one role and now they can be used in a different one as well. Their base role is still perfectly functional, so it isn't a "create a problem, sell you a solution" case, but rather, if you really like this character, here is a way you can use them even more.
However, I do think there is a risk with those. If they are too weak, they're a bad con. But if they're strong enough to warrant using the character in that role due to them, then players might find them necessary, to a certain degree. Kind of like Raiden's C2. So such a con needs to be in the C4 0like Chevy) to C6 range, but that then makes it whale only for five stars (and also makes four stars painful... as C6 four-star niche support wanters can attest).
It is a hard line to walk, though. At what point does something go from QoL to "create a problem to sell you a solution"? Yelan's C1, probably QoL. Hu Tao's C1? Well, you can do jump cancels, but it is definitely more annoying. How about Eula's C2, which frees you from the stupidity of the 8s cooldown for her hold E? Something that already has a use limitation due to needing a charge to debuff...
Only C1s that I feel are scummy amongst released characters are Neuvi's C1 (but ONLY the interruption to resistance part), Wriothesley and Hu Tao's.
Not having these constellations feels like what I'd call a "punitive damage loss" rather than just being a "damage loss". In that if you don't have a perfect mastery of the character, you are punished HEAVILY. You need extremely precise timing to make the most out of Wrizzley without it. You need to know how to jump cancel (good luck on mobile or with a controller) for Hu Tao if you don'T want to drain her stamina too fast. You need a shielder for Neuvi or need to time and position your attacks perfectly.
I don't have an issue with most other low-level constellations (C1 and C2), of the top of my head. They're all pretty much damage/support capability boosts - with some providing a bigger buff than others obviously. Even energy-related constellations, which allows you to replace an ER% sands or weapon by something else, are damage/support capability improvements. Even the other part of Neuvi's C1 is fine (it's not like he NEEDS 3 different elements to activate his special charged attack - it's just a DPS increase if you want to play him with a hydro teammate).
Snezhnaya characters: constellation 1 unlocks the elemental burst
Hahahahah
dainsleif c0 : basic attack
c1: unlock charged attack
c2: unlock elemental skill
c3: +3 levels to all talents
c4: unlock passive 1
c5: unlock passive 2
c6: unlock elemental burst
@@richardjones8846C7: unlock Dainsleif‘s gameplay
signature : allows you to do *two* normal attack , you have to unlock the normal attack (c1) first, you can perform upto 6 normal attack every 30s on R5
At this rate, this is not far from true
And worst, you cannot get C1 with just 3 fates
Logically speaking that's not true at all. It's unlikely but you can get 3 5*s in a row
@@VideoGamer8The point being made here is that, because it is so unlikely, you have to go out of your way to either save hundreds more fates for the character you want, or cave and swipe away till you see gold sparkles. You could spend all your savings trying to get the character and still their kit is incomplete. You could use the 3 fates you have trying to get it, but unless you have godlike luck then it’s not gonna happen.
@@chillcloak and guess what? Welcome to the gacha genre! In some other gacha games a character won't even function until you pull more copies.
Yes, you can? You only need 2 wishes to get a C1 limited 5* character.
@@VideoGamer8And now Genshin is slowly becoming like those other gacha games which we don’t want
ah yes, the famous "create an issue and sell the fix"
You're telling me you're not satisfied with your 3 extra wishes??
@@jamesneuman7083 obviously
5 stars are turning into 4 stars. 5 Stars used to have complete kits at c0 and things to add on with cons, while 4 stars used to need a few cons to be good.
Now 5 stars need a few cons and most 4 stars need c6. Why? Greed.
Idk what do you mean ,most 5 stars released are perfectly fine at C0 and some of them are the strongest Units in the game at that (uhmmm "Nuevillette") .
You can still use Wriothesly or Chiori ,it's that their C1 makes them more versatile and have qul changes .
Albedo may have been one of the first characters, but he has the same character as the Risley. His ultimate doesn't work without c2
@@ohyou8437 what the fuck do you mean😭😭😭
@@DojafishNeuvillette and furina are an exception, so using them as an example doesn't prove anything.
They're an exception because both of those characters are extremely major, furina being the hydro archon and neuvillette being the hydro dragon. Mihoyo does not want another zhongli situation as proven by how busted every archon is to the point where archon are the best in their element.
The difference is, both wriothsly and chiori basically NEED their c1s, that's the problem this dude has. The closest example before 4.0 is hu tao wanting her c1 in order to make her very top tier.
@@aisaback6221 they don't need their C1 ,and that already proven with Wriothesly and I think that already quite know .
Also Chiori isn't unplayable at C0 ,she is just niche and her c1 removes the need for the niche . Its like calling characters like Gorou unplayable because he needs geo units to work.
If they made it so constellations add something EXTRA to the characters instead of FIXING the characters, that would be fine. It feels like you're trying to salvage your investment instead of adding more positive value, you're removing negative value. Just like real world marketing, bring the problem, sell the solution. Scummy.
You are very right, but how would hoyo then get our money? I dont see why hoyo would listen. Reminds me of the recent Drama!
First of all, its your problem if you didn't save up a lot during Sumeru. I have nearly 100k primos. And I still managed to have c2 Nahida and Nilou. Now c2 Furina, and XianYun. If you didn't manage your primos properly, its not my problem. I knew MHY is going to do this after they failed Sumeru, which led to us saving up a lot of primos. Now they are enticing us with constellations to spend all the primos that we have saved up. It is us, the "disciplined" bunch, they are targeting. If you are not their target market, you can always skip it. Just like Apple isn't trying to market their iphones to everyone. Many companies have tier list in their product, MHY is doing the same for the product.
If you are one of the unfortunate souls that didn't do your homework because you took the advice of pull whoever you like, now you suffer the consequences. I have already said many many times that "pull whoever you like" shouldn't be the general advice. It may work during the "good times", but it certainly is not a long run strategy. Its just an excuse to not do your homework.
@@shikyokira3065 lol OK "u should have played more 🤓" sorry I wasn't there during Sumeru, blablabla ur issue, please keep assuming more about my pull choice and reasoning and keep missing the point. Thanks for your meaningful contribution.
@@planetary-rendez-vous Oh no, it is you who is missing the point of my comment. I have made it clear on the rational behind their decision. You don't understand my point is not me missing the point. You think its a scummy move, but I don't see it that way. I didn't say its your pull choice, I said that specific strategy is a bad strategy. If you feel so personal about it, maybe it is directed to you. If it isn't your pull choice, then its not for you. Don't need to take everything I said so personal.
You could educate yourself and know that this isn't for you and then move on rather than cry about it. Imagine they are selling you Iphone, the complete cost is $800. But the incomplete ones are priced at $400 and $600 respectively, with a lot of missing functionalities, such as camera, 5g and so on. You can literally buy a $400 phone from another brand that has all the complete functionalities but lower specs. No need to cry about getting a shitty incomplete iphone.
MHY can't control the price of their product, so they can only use constellations to "mark up" their product.
@@shikyokira3065"MHY can't control the price of their product"
They can literally put a 70% discount on their cristals next patch for a whole month, and they'd still make millions. If they don't it it's because greed and nothing else.
"ever since Fontaine came out"
Meanwhile my Dehya begging for constellations that they took straight out of her A1
i got her c1 and i still feel she needed more than this at c0. they REALLY did her dirty. the multipliers in her burst needed to be, idk, twice as much.
she needs full c6 to be competitive with everyone else. That's how hard they fkd her design over. It's like they ran out of time internally to deisgn/polish her and decided to throw her away to the players like a half-built, half-broken toy. @@GenshinYuppe
At C0, she's worse than xinyan. I've no idea what the hell they are cooking, but this is a pattern among non-liyue .5 unit.
@@backpackpepelon3867 Bruh, liyue has its fair share of stinkers.
Hoyoverse acting like the 3 wishes they gave will help fund us in completing the kits they so graciously left incomplete for us. The audacity 😭
Honestly it wouldn't even be _so_ bad if we had some way of getting constellations for characters we already own that wasn't tied to wishing.
But this is Hoyoverse we're talking about, so
This, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Let abyss drop some sort of "Fate Fragments" (just seems like such a genshin name for an item like this) and have stella fortunas for sale.
Would be nice if you could get that for like spiral abyss or another end game thing where every week or so you can get a token and with a certain amount you can get a constelation like with the hertas store in hsr
Grinding might cause anxiety, just swipe for a few hundred bucks
@@DM-bw7hjweak mentality
@@DM-bw7hj kinda sad to say that this is exactly why Genshin will never have any difficult content. People bitched when events required effort, even if the rewards were just ores and mora. People bitched that Inazuma's puzzles were too hard (they're not). People *still* bitch because they miss 50-100 primos from not finishing floor 12 of the abyss.
I genuinely hate this part of the community. Like, at least let there be difficult content for those who want it. But no, if too many people in the community are unable to complete it, it'll never happen because people will complain, regardless of rewards/no rewards. Sometimes I hate it here.
Constellation creep has been my second biggest problem with this game, first being the growing damage gap between signature weapons and their alternatives.
Also the utility/buffing gap between signatures and alternatives. Xianyun's weapon is stupid strong for her - it cures her energy issues immediately at even R1 and also provides a massive buff to the plunge DPS. Plus, curing her energy issues lets you build more ATK%, for bigger heals/buffs. If it only did one of these things, or did both at half the power, I'd be pretty apathetic towards it.
Instead, it's stupid strong, even better than her C1 for combat purposes. I don't think many people would care about her C1 if it weren't so good for exploration, or if weapon banner wasn't so scummy. C2R1 Xianyun is kinda crazy, and I say that as someone who has a couple C2R1 limited characters (not a whale, I just finished my abyss teams and decided to pull for fun and favorites).
wrio c1 was really criminal, its just a missing part of his kit. neuvillette i feel is more fair, his kit is already flush and c1 makes team building easy. i still dont like these type of cons it feels like we're getting cheated
It does cut both ways, though. It also sucks when you're spending just as many primos to get another copy of the character, and in return you get something pretty worthless. Like most of the cons on the OG five stars...
good point @@Axterix13
Neuv and Wrio are basically the same tho, Neuv gets 100% interruption resistance and 25% dps increase, Wrio is hp positive and gets like 15-20% dmg increase
Both are scammy but I think Chiori is even harder tbh cuz unlike Wrio and Neuv, her kit is already restricted by having to play with specific characters (Geo construct users) and c1 removes a part of the restriction but still requires her to have another geo character in the team
the interruption resist is the main "fix" from neuv's C1. He's the first character in the game where sustained charge atks is the main DPS source, and if you get interrupted it's a huge dps loss... so naturally they locked super armor behind c1
@@drigoykzeh, I feel Neuvi C1 is more valid than Wrio’s. The dmg increase from both C1 might be similar-ish but Neuvi feels complete at C0 and his C1 is an upgrade.
Wrio’s C1 is like someone sold you a bike and said you have to buy the wheels separately, lol. The C1 upgrade should be his base level, not an add on.
Chiori c1 feels so scummy , shes already just a geo sub dps she should at least be able to be played with all other geo character team types but they lock her already limited flexibility behind a constellation
Well because she is made to make geo construct more relevant in a way :v
I mean it is their intention to do that lol. Also it helps with the sale so from business stand point they are just doing business
Now watch as Chiori banner sets a new record in whaling
@@chihaotran1568smarty, no one here is disagreeing it’s business… that’s actually the whole point
I like though the idea of balancing her around constructs so that her contribution to geo teams with those is stronger, this can actually be healthy for the game since Itto needed something like this to be more competitive. It all comes down to balance though, and removing this limitation with C1 such an obvious bait. They will likely push down Chiori’s potential at C0 to make C1 more appealing and like TGS I don’t like this direction
@@xanthee_imr Sure no one is disagreeing but just being pissed lolllll :)))))
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@@chihaotran1568 By limiting Chiori's viability exclusively to mono-geo, they're effectively discouraging the wider demographic from ever wishing for her. I like her design, but I never intend to build an Itto team. As a result, she's a complete skip for me. I don't see how that helps them from a business standpoint. People who like Itto would go for him regardless of Chiori, but even they might not go for her. That's pretty much the same as Ayaka and Shenhe, but way more niche and restrictive.
Unfortunately, it is just another case of a company creating a problem and selling a solution. It's also good to know that in reality, the constellations aren't necessarily make-or-break the character, even though a few of them were purposefully designed to make it look like so
Best commentary there. They create problem in C0 and sell solutions with cons...
I think its because genshin is getting older and to indirectly power creep old units they make the new units incomplete to be just equally strong as the old ones but the early cons are better than the old ones so that there is an indirect power creep but not in c0
In the end of the day this gacha game and for profit company, and this is catch 22 situation for them, I remember people moaning about useless Constellation on Xiao and Ganyu you either go C0 or c6
Small essay incoming: @@alessioskomneos655sure, but there's a whole spectrum between useless cons and cons that fix pre-made flaws in characters.
Wrio is basically just cryo Hu Tao in that sense. His C1 makes him feel better to play and gives him a decent-to-huge damage increase over C0. Problem is, he's not very good at C0 and Hu Tao is still fully functional (if annoying to play) at C0.
In my opinion, late Inazuma and early Sumeru had the 5 star cons just right. C1/C2 are moderate damage increases and occasionally change the way a unit is played in a minor or moderate way (nothing huge like Chiori could be).
Fontaine started strong with that. Lyney has really fair C1/C2 that are strong damage increases. Neuvi was complete at C0, and C1 allowed him to ditch a shield in favor of a buffer.
Everything falls apart after Wriothesley. Wrio C1 completely changes his teams and play style, while giving a moderate damage increase. Furina C1/C2 lets her be played in many teams she would otherwise be clunky in, and gives a major buff to her buffing potential. Xianyun has the most egregious R1 in the game - but at least she's functional without it, and is niche enough to halfway justify it. With C1R1 Xianyun, her ER problems are honestly non-existent, but she's only really good with Gaming, Xiao, and some other less obvious units.
Chiori C1 is shaping up to be as scummy as possible. Useless to teams using Itto/Zhongli/Albedo and *everything* to teams like Navia or Noelle. It only serves to piss off every Geo player.
@@alessioskomneos655 Ganyu's cons are much better than Xiao's. Her C1 is already darn good. Xiao's C1 is just an extra charge on his skill that already has a 10 sec cooldown, so you're only getting the perk once. We don't talk about his C4. And his C1 only becomes worth when paired with C6, like Ganyu's C2.
Create the problem, sell the solution
Chiori c1 is actually so scummy lmao. They know most people want to play Chiori with Navia, so they locked her synergy with Navia behind her c1.
Just use Albedo since he’s been here from the beginning and is pretty good with her. And he’s fine with c0.
@@mentirosa8709 c0 Chiori is better than c0 Albedo in Navia teams lol
Imo Zhongli is better than both and second geo is not must for Navia. You can use her with Furina Xiangling Bennett.
@@qoep66she’s a slight upgrade at best.
@@Empressranda She's better numerically and also in practical gameplay. Unlike Albedo's flimsy flower, you don't have to worry about Chiori's dolls breaking or not hitting shielded enemies. Also, the elevator can be extremely annoying in combat.
they are giving these 5*s faruzan flaws now 😭
atleast wriothesley doesnt get his burst after 2 patches...
This is why people need to make C0 only Tier List for characters rather than C6 tier lists
Not everyone playing Genshin is a Pay-To-Win psycho
I am so GLAD that a CC pointed this out straight on thumbnail and title + great description of the matter. TY!
Imagine a Nilou constellation that said you only need to have one Dendro and one Hydro unit in the party to trigger the bloom passive...
thats fine. nilou teams are already very strong at c0
@@Heatranoveryouif Nilou was made today, her C1 or 2 would unlock that fancy super dendro core
@@DylanC333 lol no, that's literally what makes Nilou, Nilou. that is her playstyle. her play style is already VERY restrictive. people would not play her if she lost that. genshin is not that dumb
@@emote3976 you underestimate Hoyos greed potential
@@DylanC333 Nilou's release was met with a lot of negativity saying that it was a very bad design because it was so niche, so restrictive, so weak, so early (there were few dendro chars back then). i'm not saying that hoyo is not greedy because they are.
I’ve been noticing this too and every time I see them do this to such a fun character like wriothesley and basically make it seem like you will never be as good as a c1 wrio it really makes you not want to pull for that unit. so I just completely skipped him. Because if I can never get that level of strength. Without wasting like 200 dollars why even go for that unit? This is something mihoyo has to realize, like I get it they need money but making clunky/incomplete characters at c0 just isn’t it.
Well from their perspective, this design philosophy has actually increased the money people spend on a character (since more people go for c1), so it seems to be "it" for them.
I think a lot of us feel the same way, hence why wrio being one of the coolest character with a very baiting C1 still did garbage on revenue (I know he was between Neuv + Furina) but hear me out.
Ever since when he first dropped, reddit wrio main's post were all about how hoyo abused their dedicated fans. Because if you want him to perform well, well, you will think you need C1. Whereas the "whatever" group of people who just thinks hes cool and normally would go for C0, feels like they won't get the most out of him, therefore they don't pull at all.
After all, Wrio will always live with a bad name and will never sell well imo.
@@cofume He had basically the same sales as Neuvillette and did better than Lyney, all while sharing the banner with a less popular unit. Not sure how that is "doing garbage"
@@dareijos4282I don’t expect his rerun doing well tho and that’s what really matters because on the 1st banner release people wish for the character but on the rerun they wish for the unit. And 5* units are criticized heavily at c0.
@@littlebigeats7682doesn't matter to Hoyo so long as they get paid. If the unit is trash and the character is good, and they still get their sales, they have no incentive to change anything. Since Wrio still got sales at release, all they learned was that they needed good writing. If his rerun does poorly, they'll just rerun him less often, and replace his reruns with other, better selling units.
Locking significant parts of their kit behind constellations punishes F2P and dolphin players much more for not saving hundreds of fates to get them, which of course applies to most of the playerbase. Knowing that I’m using a version of a character that is quite literally inferior because they’re missing something in their kit feels scummy.
If you really want your favorite character unlock full potential, then saving for them instead of pull for everyone at c0 . It's fair ok, people have saved for them for a long time should have been rewared with a stronger version of a character .
@@binhpham6118 You really need to watch the video then.
@@binhpham6118 Are you working for hoyo or something lmao. Or are you riding their meat for free 💀
That's the way it's always been but worse than you think. The full real character is c6 every other version is gimped in some way. I've got a c3 r5 raiden and she's gimped she doesn't lower cool downs or give the attack bonus or whatever c4 does I don't remember.
It's kind of hit or miss. Wriothesley and potentially Chiori: yeah, pretty scummy. I won't pull for incomplete 5-stars like that. Doesn't matter how much I like their design/personality/etc.
Neuvillette and Hu Tao are still great units at C0, though C1 for both is a nice bonus. Navia literally just came out, and she's awesome at C0. Her cons are essentially just damage boosts, nice as they may be.
Hell, we had Alhaithem come out just a year ago. He's incredibly strong at C0 and his constellations are really lackluster until C6.
I think there's a lot of hyperbole going around right now. I play almost exclusively mono geo and I am excited for Chiori, C0 or C1.
Shit. I agreee 100%. Hoyo be like: hey guys, Heres a character, they have a cockblock. Spend extra to remove the cockblock
Oh, they're impotent? Spend extra again to give them viagra
c6 Faruzan and Sara aware
For me first chzracter with this pbm is Hu Tao. Having her C1 fix the stamina pbm.
Yeah but now with Xianyun my fomo of not having her C1 has completely vanished tbh
For me the First one would prob be Childe, on early Days people tought he needed *c6* to be really playable, Just because of the skill reset
Anyway in today standards, basically all Childe cons are worthless 💀
@@thebrigade7684it's fixed trough another character, which is better than getting the same character twice
or just not have skill issues
@@zaitop7821 My man Childe built different, no con increase his own damage (cri stats/dmg/element/ignore def) aside from talents lv. Just playing him smoother not hit harder like the rest.
I'm so glad someone is finally talking about this! I think it sucks but I'm not a whale, so I never pull for constellations. If the character is bad at C0, I'm not touching them. I got lucky and pulled Neuv twice, so he's my only C1.
I am just more selective if you skip characters that you care less about you can get some constellations on the ones that you want the most. I have so many characters after 3 years that I use ~half of my build characters anyway. Also building all characters is a massive resource drain.
@KraszuPolis Even if I had the primos, I wouldn't buy constellations. It's not something I'm interested in.
I have C1 Wrio and I absolutely love him, that said, it’s very annoying that I had to do an extra pull to enjoy him to the fullest. I really wanted Chiori for Navia but that team only being optimal with a C1 is a big deterrent for me this time around, I’m not trying to do this for EVERY character!
100% Agree with you TGS. It's lame they cut stuff out of characters kit and add it to their constellations. Especially 5-stars since they cost money to get. 4-stars you could get a lot of copies over a year if you focus on their banners.
We can also say the same with the four star C6. Im looking at you Faruzan 👀
True but they are 4* so its kinda different, everyone will/can get 4* char to c6 eventually, while vast majority of dolphins and f2ps wont see a single limited c6 5* in the whole lifetime of the game(like yea u have exceptions w ppl that save for 2 years or w ppl who just get insanely lucky)
@@aleks_moldiwe aren't talking about C6 5 stars, though. We're talking C6 4 stars and C1/C2 5 stars. It's completely possible and maybe even reasonable to expect a player to only get to like C4 on a 4 star within 300 pulls, because *there's no guarantee on 4 stars*.
When you get a 4 star, there's a 50/50 chance it'll be one of the rate-ups (I.e. one on the banner). If it is, then there's a 1/3 chance for it to be one that you want. That's not horrible in the long run, it's actually better than the weapon banner. Plus, as you pull for them you'll work your way to what is likely a desirable 5 star.
The problem comes when you have specific 4 stars that rarely rerun or only rerun with specific 5 stars. Characters like Sara, Gorou, and (until recently) Faruzan. You're forced to pull for 5 star cons to get the 4 star cons, that remove problems with the 4 star unit, and sometimes even remove problems with the 5 star unit (like Faruzan curing Xiaos energy issues).
@dinohunter6450 im making an argument that its not that hard to get c6 4* EVENTUALLY (unlike 5*).
and ty for explaining game/gatcha mechanics to me like im completly new to the game (im playin since 1.0)
@@aleks_moldi You came in with info that had no relevancy to the conversation. Are you a kid or something? Nobody was talking about 5* C6, and it was pretty damn obvious. And the person you originally replied to was correct: it can take longer to get a C6 4* than a C0 or C1 5*, *THAT* was the original point that flew over your head.
So true, its the same with xianyun. Finally someone speaks of important stuff. Subbed.
At this point I'll basically keep skipping units until they release someone "complete" at C0. I was gonna pul Chiori for Navia but I'm good with ZL, Noelle and GMC as geo partners for her. This move by Hoyo is a new low (and they've been really striving for new lows lately)
Imagine if Kazuha release late game.
His Hold skill will be locked in C1 😂
If Xiao was released today he'd only have one charge of elemental skill and C1 will +1 charge, his bonus dmg while ult up to 25% dmg buff will be C2. His old C2 will be C4.
Hoyo gotta bait people to spend more and even the ones that wouldn't do it before because the C2 felt more faraway from a C1, maybe they found something in their data like C0 sales dropping down or not being as high as they wanted given the amount of characters released (plus how the game can be cleared with almost almost everything) and hence adding shiny benefits at C1 instead as bait for those who truly like the character and have easier times playing them or reaching higher potential at lower costs, then they'll consider C2-C3s later and maybe signatures as well and it all spirals from there.
Pretty unfortunate but as a business they gotta maximise profit and if this has worked for them, they'll keep doing so.
Thanks for this rant , genshin scientist , i do think this is something that needs to be said and it just sucks honestly...Here , I am waiting for Neuvilette rerun to get his C1 cuz hyv being hyv just had to make the c1 for him so good
youre letting yourself be manipulated bro.
Ik @@Heatranoveryou
Casually having a +50% AoE effect in that C1 on top of everything else is just adding insult to injury too
Chiori's c1 is basically "you can now use her with navia" . It does basically nothing for her c0 intended team , itto. They fully knew everyone wanted chiori for their shiny new first five star female on fielder in 2 years ,so the decision was easy
Good video man, would love to see more videos like this from you. Your insight is great.
I love wriothesley at c0 because you can perform many different combos for different teams while c1 makes him straight up brain-dead as N5c
Thats what I mean, I love when chars have flaws at c0 because they make you think more about how to use them. I like c0 wrio
Constellations that make chars flawless are just boring and bad taste
Why I think Chiori is so disappointing is that this flaw can only be fixed with your wallet.
@@muhammedsultanmustapha6571100%
@@muhammedsultanmustapha6571 it's not really a flaw.
Her c0 kit gives you the incentive to use with geo constructs, that gives the constructs a VALUE.
Her C1 kinda gets rid of that incentive, and now she works either way, which is kinda sad since that does not help Geo
@@jadesides51 I think its infuriating cause c0 sticks her to mono geo teams
how do you only have 27k subs, your content is fantastic. informational. clear. approachable. Love it.
It's still surprising how solid navia is at c0 and how not baity her cons her. Good, but you don't feel their necessary to overcome some weakness.
Yeah, her cons just make her easier to build but don’t add something that’s already missing from her kit or repairing an apparent flaw. She’s already great 👍
To clear something up with chiori's c1, it won't spawn a 3rd puppet it will only remove the need for a geo construct and increase the puppets range for 50%. The puppet summoned by the c1 and by the construct share the limit of 1
i think it says a lot about geo constructs that chiori has a whole constellation for removing her dependency/"""synergy""" with them
Constellations back in the day, it felt like a C0 character was 100% of a character and C1 was 120% of the character. Nowadays, it feels like C0 is 80% of the character and C1 is 100% lol
True, Wriothesley's C0 issues are the main reason I skipped him.
Making a 5* feel gimped without constellations is BS.
his issue is that he uses fists. The aoe is decent considering its fists but its still fists. Otherwise hes pretty good. in single target he does work.
@@HeatranoveryouYeah, Genshin’s fist characters feel bad to me too. Other games give fist characters rushdown moves like parry+dashes, gap closers, or AoE combos to feel good. It makes fists feel like a rhythm game to fight with.
In Genshin, the fist combat feels like swords with worse AoE.
As A Navia Main.
This Was EXACTLY The Point I Made In My Video As Well.
I'm So Glad Big Content Creators Are Also Picking It.
Amazing Video Brother!.
I'm A Huge Fan.❤
Good Work.
Navia has probably become one of c0 dps of all time. A complete kit at c0.
you don't feel the need to get more cons
Heck even her weapon is only a slight upgrade over serpent spine.
@@AbhishekSingh-nq4rh Yea, Navia was a rare case for recent 5stars that doesn't have any bait cons. And actually feels great and complete at c0. Which I assume thats what this guy is talking about? Or well I hope.
I would love to have these boosts at c0 but as long as the character is decently strong, I’m sure it’s alright seeing as abyss can be cleared with anyone. Only thing I wish wasn’t the case is gate keeping strong characters with ER issues, that’s the biggest concern I usually have with every new unit
You're so real for making this video, that's why you're the GOAT. I remember when you called out Hu Tao C1 as well, when no one else did.
I got C2 Furina cuz I wanted to be able to throw her on literally any team with even the most worthless 4-star and have them do competitive damage with relative ease of use.
But yeah, the C1 bait has been incredibly palpable as of late. If not for my Furina plan, I’d have C1 Neuvilette right now too. It’s funny too, because when I run him with Zhongli, Jean, and Furina and there’s an enemy that apples an element to itself , I can accidentally get his third stack and suddenly my damage explodes and I’m sitting here thinking “ah, so this is what it would feel like” :’(
There's something that I don't see anyone talking about and it is multiplayer shield cons. Think about it, you can heal your team mates without any problem but you need a con to shield them? That's pretty absurd to me, and even worse, most times the shared shield is much weaker than yours, and some characters can't even shield their team, like Noelle
Ah yes, a classic 'create a problem, and sell the solution'
Great video. As a Neuvi main, I know I don't need his C1 and he's already destroying everything at C0, but it does feel bad that they locked that interrupt resistance and extra stack for his passive behind C1. I've only actively gone for a con once (Hu Tao C1; which is another one that fixes a flaw for a char) because I'd much rather use my wishes to get a brand new character or weapon. So it sucks to feel tempted to get C1 or C2 just to fix a flaw that Hoyo created themselves for a character.
If they do this to Clorinde…
Clorinde and Arlecchino. Two characters that are hugely anticipated… you know they’ll take advantage of that.
The one that most annoys me is definitely Wriothesley for the reasons you stated. Furina, Nuvi and Lyney both have amazing C1 as well but they are all cracked at C0 while Wriothesley feels pretty damn mid and his C1 just fixes everything. Such god damn bait 😭 at least Hu Tao could get around her issues with jump cancel.
THANK GOD SOMEONE IS MAKING A VIDEO ABOUT THIS
Neuvi is so boring at C0 in abyss that i gave up on using him.
I dont mind not getting an extra dmg for constellation or energy recharge but being almost unable to use him on some floors is really annoying.
This abyss is a very good example with lots os ranging attacks
I used Jean / Furina / C0 Neuvillette / Fischl on bottom half and didn't experience any issues.
Neuv can even hit the bosses when they are flying, and his ability to immediately dump all his damage when they pop up is hugely advantageous.
@@phoenixlau i tried the First half since he is pneuma with ousia enemies but I will try the other one.
The big problem is that If you get hit at the beginning of charge attack you have to wait the next rotation and you lose a lot of time
Here's another Character that's one of the most egregious cases: *Dehya.*
Dehya's C2 increases her skill's uptime by 6 seconds, which means it has only 2 seconds downtime. It also increases the damage from the coordinated attack of the field by 50% when the active character in the field is attacked.
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN HER BASE KIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a business prospects
They really doing good job
Hu Tao was a one off, but now it's becoming a trend. I think C1s like Yelan's should be the limit, honestly. Helps her ER issues so that you can build her pure dps. In reality it's just more damage, and not much of a gameplay change other than overworld QoL, which is fine. 3/5 Fontaine characters have this issue now, so it's definitely no surprise that Chiori will be like this. Is she still an upgrade for Navia at c0? Sure, but it really does make you feel bad that you're literally missing like a 3rd of her damage due to a restriction that gets fixed with a constellation. Honestly it wouldn't feel bad if they put the construct mechanic on c1, so that you gain that extra damage for her being in mono geo. Mono geo is one of those teams where people are usually dedicated to them enough to pull cons anyway.
Its still just damage. quality of life translates to damage.
I agree, Yelan's cons are very strong but she still feels very complete at C0, good design
Yep, I noticed this too and I tend to go for cons despite that because I get tempted by the power gain. But that's like a personal thing. The rest is pretty much community-driven which is bonkers in a singleplayer game. On hoyolab they hyped each other up to get C3, not just C2, Raiden at her rerun. And recently hoyo upped their banners with solid or beloved 4* units. Always remember that at the worst in 100 pull (!) you might just get 5 on banner 4* characters. And between those it's a 1/3 which means it's not unlikely to not get the 4* you want.
I can’t agree more on everything you said. The problem to me isn’t constellations being strong, but them removing flaws making characters seemingly “perfect”. I don’t get the appeal of Furina C2: it literally removes everything that makes her kit interesting by reducing it to a super cheap and disgustingly strong universal buff for pretty much anything that is not transformative reactions. It’s lame.
Personally, as long as C0 characters are balanced and have “reasonable” flaws that add to the depth of the combat mechanics, I’m totally fine, but we’ve already seen how Wriothesley’s passive is a total mess at C0 for no reason other than being fixed by the C1 and I fear that Hoyo wants us to be progressively more used to these tactics so that eventually the will do whatever they want and the player base itself will defend them by saying “you know, it works like that, if you like a character that much you are supposed to save for CX to get the full kit”…
I mean thats what people want a braindead character who does a lot of damage and Hoyo is cahsing out on them. All of Hoyoverse games do the same thing: remove whatever restrictions the character had and buff their damage.
I always thought the constellation system was very bad from the player's perspective. Usually duplicate system in gachas have at least a "normalize" effect like giving levels to skills (C3/5). But the fact that constellations could be anything opens the door for hoyo to abuse it via character design.
So tempted to go for C1 Neuv but also need to save for Natlan and/or for a weapon banner
I've been noticing that too and I can see your frustrations over it. Me personally, I've never pulled for a limited 5-star con and I never felt like I've needed them (at least not yet) -- though granted the only Fontaine 5-stars I've pulled are Neuvillette and Furina, both characters already insanely strong at C0.
For the other characters, I can only judge from how other people have play them, but it doesn't really look to me like they need those cons. Though with so many people getting baited into thinking that those cons are necessary to make them functional... I guess Hoyo's found a way to print more cash from their players and ran with it lol. In any case, I just hope that it really doesn't get to the point where a 5-star is straight up unusable without cons, though I doubt it will happen (for now)
Yeah, I totally agree. That's one of the reasons I personally wouldn't get most of these constellations even if I could and had nothing else to do with my primogems.
Yup I completely agree! I noticed this when they released Wrio and Navia. And this is why, moving forward, I refuse to spend money on this game. I have enough characters that satisfy my needs when it comes to gameplay
Barbra C0toC5:fairly good early game healer
Barbra C6:fully functional portable the 7 statue
yes TGS yes!!!! this is so TRUE!
Tbh, when wishing for 5* characters I've started to only pull for characters that have f2p weapon choices and can work at c0. The only limited 5* character whose constellation I've ever gone for is Hu Tao and that's because she's my favorite and my first ever limited 5*. Even before I got c1 and her weapon, she was still really good and helped me with major fights in quests.
While I know Wrio C0 is a good enough character, how MHY design his passive, his C1, and the fact that his skill stop working under certain %hp still bother me to this day.
I genuinely feel like they going out of their way to make the C0 experience frustrating so the value of C1 that fix everything will be artificially more desirable. It's so lame tbh.
I really love Wrio, but these day I just benched him since I still can't cope over this. 😢
Yeah I totally agree with what you said. I have to admit that I've been tented to pull for Neuvillete C1 and also though of saving a lot to get Wrio and his C1 in future reruns, what stops me is to think that I already have very strong teams to clear the only difficult content of the game, the abyss.
Even though I have him at C0, my Neuvillete is one of my best geared characters including his signature, so I just pair him with Furina and I'm able to delete everything with not effort. So, why bother?
Instead of spending a lot of primogems just for a extra bonus I rater spend it on a new character which is going to add more variety and fun to my game, like Xianyun for example, she enables a lot of combinations which makes me feel relieved of going for her instead of wasting pulls on a constellation.
Unless Hoyoverse adds a endgame mode that requires extremely well build characters with constellations (which I highly doubt is going to happen judging how they are been working so far), there's no need to going for constellations specially for F2P players like me.
Ahhh, yes, the good olf Wrizz/Furina pair. I call it the STAR PLATINUM comp. But yeah, even as someone that stops at C0 because I'm severely limited on primos, I have to agree. Constellations are sometimes game breakers that Hoyo seems to abuse now more than ever.
Furina at c0 made me so annoyed by the "I want an aoe healer" restriction that I went for c2 as a f2p, I was already getting my 36*s cuz Im an 1.0 player but jeez man this is getting really bad for newer players wanting the shinning new character.
Except even at C0 she's perfectly fine without AoE healing, you just need to play a little smarter? Like there's an -enormous- amount of teams that pair her with Bennett and other ST healers.
@@Sam-up4ul I did, my Bennett heals for a nice 6669 per tic and I think its more of a me problem, but if a character can buff the team, I want it to be happen instantly and not take time to actually matter.
Theres a big difference between getting max stacks instantly with even a lvl 40 1 1 1 Charlotte and *having* to use an aoe healer to be able to enjoy at least half of your rotation at full stacks.
Your "fine" is just different than mine I guess, seeing the visual effect for her burst getting max stacks when my dps is almost finishing their rotation just felt wrong and I dont like going out of my way to slot a strong healer just because of a buff, instead of Jean + Furina, might as well just use Kazuha and something else since his buff is lower but it happens at the press of a button.
Also, another more personal problem was when I discovered that my Furina couldnt work that well with my Jean if Jean ever gets an anemo particle because I have her c2 and that gives the whole team an atk speed buff... which makes my Yoimiya apply more pyro than Furina can handle lol.
Thought it would be a gaming cs hutao video. Great video as always
Characters with flaws aren't "balanced", they are simply "flawed". Balancing should be done through numbers, amount of functionality, and environment. Bennett/Xq are imbalanced not because they don't have flaws, but because other characters/enemies weren't upscaled to their powerlevel. It is much more fun to play a character with 1 usefull function instead of playing character with 3 useless functions and a big flaw. Playing around the flaws is simply annoying in most cases, which is a big problem with Genshin characters and renders plenty of them not worth building. And, as mentioned in the video, those flaws are artificially added to characters specifically to sell constellations/signature weapons, which is one of the many disgusting monetization tactics Genshin uses.
Yeah, I don't get why some people like having to deal with characters flaws, when they just make gamplay worse.
My favourite part about RPGs is mixing things that synergize to make fun builds. There are a lot of teams and builds I would like to play, but they simply don't work because the characters have dumb limitations like Raiden + Beidou, which is still the worst forced restriction imo.
And then there's characters like Kuki and Yae that only work a year later when new mechanics are introduced. All that is just bad gameplay design.
Ah yes, the good ol' "Create a problem, sell the solution"
You touched on a point I really agree with and it's that some constellations impact team building in a LESS fun way. Furina is really cool in that she opens up viability for a class of character that wasn't very good before, but getting her constellations removes the necessity to care about that. Neuvillette normally allows characters like baizhu and dehya to shine a bit more through their interrupt resist, but getting his c1 eats into how valuable that overall is. Cons that aren't just number tweaks make some characters less fun at times.
sigh this is so true and it's kinda sad
And a lot of players will say that's totally fine since you can easily full star Abyss with everyone at C0 anyways... Honestly, this constellations issue has made me skip a lot of 5* and completely ignore new 4* units.
And even if you can’t because that particular Abyss cycle doesn’t favor your team comps or you keep getting crap artifacts (craptifacts?), it’s only the last floor that you may not be able to fully clear. The rewards are so pitiful that it’s not worth stressing over and getting out your credit card so you can get the latest meta 5 star to clear the last floor is a huge trap. You’ll never be able to break even on your investment and nobody with a mature mindset cares about whether you got 36 stars or not in a video game where stats, luck and money almost completely nullifies skill.
As a wriothesley main who lost the 50/50 to c1.this just makes me as sad as I was when I lost the 50/50.
c1 wrio main here, completely agree that his c1 is scummy. I was planning on dropping my entire pull savings on him anyway ever since he got drip marketed, but locking pretty much 80% of his a1's utility and rotation consistency behind c1 is stupid. ESPECIALLY since his best suport is furina (who requires a strong healer at c0)
The real problem is they are also using that to squeeze more money out of ppls desperation. They have been releasing incomplete kits that completely warp a characters base value.
I enjoy C0 Rizzley just fine bruhh. Hes fun n strong, as strong as any other 5 star DPS that i have, but more versatile n tanky.
Cus, my Wonderer, Navia, Raiden, Xiao N Diluc don't even have healing in their kit.
He didn't say that wriothesly doesn't work or weak! He is talking about the quality of life change which was meant to be included in his basic kit at c0!! Instead hoyotrash included that in his c1 to milk money out of their milking cows! Ur comment is among the most basic and mundane ones!
You’re not wrong, but it’s a pointless argument. Without harder end-game content what’s the point? Even the flaws at C0 on these 5-stars the game isn’t exactly hard after you’ve been playing a year+
i been saying this since raiden, thats why i stopped pulling chars since frontaine and it getting worse and worse.
it been c1 to c2 for 5* and c6 for 4* trend now, tbh i hope genshin die or get alternative so they start to listen and make changes, before any white knight or braindead say quit or delete the game, ppl complain cos they love the game and want it to be better but greedy devs dont listen to anyone also i dont open the game lately as used to do like 1 time per week or so
imagine completing the content endgame without 5* constellations because the content endgame is so crap🗿🗿. As f2p i don't care about constellations and signature weapons but I need more endgame content shit..
Yeah, because with only c0 such characters as Nilou, Nahida, Al-Haitham, Baizhu, Lyney, Neuvillete, Furina, Navia and Xyan Yun are shit, amirite?
thats why i said braindead ppl, do u understand what good char at c0 means( no need for 5*/gacha/bp weapon or cons
u just mentioned 2 archons and 1 dragon which should be good at c0 but here's the catch c1 neuv change his gameplay completely and team party/ c1 and c2 furina beyond broken same for nahida.
is everyone want to play those chars tho ?
another thing navia need gacha weapon or bp to functional
lyney same thing his f2p option sucks, why u didnt talk about scara/yae/faru c6/gaming c6/wrio/dehya/cyno.
also i didnt say shit about any char but when u add an issue fixed by cons its a big problem or c1 or c2 broken cons
cos cons should be for extra dmg thats it
also wanna add something when last time did get good 4* without c6 ?@@yoursteban3713
@@adamarafa3595 neuvi c1 doesn't change shit, his best team is with Furina in any case. None of the characters I mentioned need 5 star weapons or even bp ones, Navia is already amazing with the event weapon, lyney also, others you for some reason ignored. I mentioned 2 archons, because you said that after inazuma all went to shit, and these characters came after inazuma. Yae is perfectly functional at c0, same goes for cyno and wanderer. Bringing 4-stars and standard banner characters into 5-star character debate is an amazing move, good job. Scara doesn't have anything locked without faruzan c6, he just can't really play as hypercarry. Wrio is the only character you mentioned, who has issues without constellations. The last time we had good 4star without c6 is right now with Ga Ming, who at c0 has a 64k dps team and than before Chevreuse, who even at c0 is a solid character and before that we had kirara and yaoyao (the last two are still great, its just there are Nahida and Baizhu as strong dendro units, but they are 5stars, so that's not a surprise).
That's literally the game's design-philosophy. Every gacha-game ever.
Great video, not something I see mentioned enough!
looks at faruzan....
Yeah i don't like when hoyo make a character that either need early cons to fix their glaring issue like wrio or their early cons make them flawless like neuvillete.
They've been doing the "create a problem, sell the solution" business model for a long time. Arkrevner and Tenten also made a video about it way way back. People just noticing this now? Or are people minding it now because MHY keeps doing it?
I understand that some people might be mad about constellations, but for me it never was a problem. I can have fun with my characters at C0, and I don't feel the need for more power.
I'm crazy enough to go for full pity on both Navia and her weapon, but I'm not dumb enough to pull 2 whole Chioris lol. I will patiently wait for a teamwide Geo healer + buffer that functions adequately at C0.
Its kinda surprising we dont have geo healer/support for that purpose yet, even in 3 years
I really hate this cuz i like to go for many chars but it was already hard to catch up in genshin (started 2 years in) and now its even worse if i like a new char
The only cons I ever went for purposely was c2 yelan. I had gotten yelan on release because I absolutely despised using xingqui for clearing abyss, I just wanted another option. I loved the mobility on yelan’s E and I did not have a charge shot gimmick character so I liked that I could charge attack, e skill, then potentially do another charge attack. I liked her so much I had to get her weapon which made her damage insane (I was doing like 50k e’s no reaction and 35k+ charged shots) but I played her w/ low ER and as the main dps in the team. To play her as the sub dps, she really needed more ER and/or switching weapon to sac or fav which significantly lowered her dps. When she came on rerun during fontaine, I already had a cracked account and I really wanted at least her c1 for mobility and I had 200 pulls saved plus I potentially wanted Lynette c6 because I always had wanted to try kazuha c6 with the anemo infusion so basically Lynette was the f2p variant of that. I got her c1 and lost the 50/50 on her c2 but I definitely love the double skill aspect which allowed me to play off field without sacrificing damage for more ER and the double skill really helped w/ mobility around the open world.
For other characters, I see what you’re saying about how there’s a problem with character’s kits and the c1 fixes them which reminds me more of 4* that need high cons or c6 to feel functional in a team but for me I’m not really attracted to characters that have these problems after I saw how well my c6 kujo sara aged, I barely use her post dendro. My account can easily beat abyss so I usually just go for c0 and maybe weapon if I really like them.
Also , they have been doing it quite actively in recent patches , if you compare it to hu tao who has one of the most popular C1 in the game and Hu tao came in 1.X patches...
I mean constellations are just for people who REALLY likes the characters and have financial stability to do so.
Wanderer seems like one of the first times they did this, since his c1 is needed to be a normal attack spammer like his artifact set and weapon entice, because before then he's a charged attack spammer.
I love wrio to pieces and I actually saved a decent amount of primo just for one copy and his weapon (I'm f2p) so I was pretty bummed when I figured out his C1 was a massive improvement. I was actually lucky enough to get 2 of him in one 10 pull so I never experienced c0 wrio but it still sucks for those who wanted him who only have enough funds to get 1 copy
In case of Neuvilette what I hate the most about his C1 is thet it is basicly just make all of his balance meaningless. He is very strong C0 but with C1 the onl two thing thet balanced him is no longer exist. It is just cringe game design.
Haha, he is the strongest right now lorewise so it may have to reflect some of his power to the gameplay
@@chihaotran1568 Gameplay and lore was always separated. Like, why one of the best pyro dps is a funeral parlor director? Why the great geo archon who called the god of war have so piss damage output? Etc. etc.
Your reasoning is stupid. @@chihaotran1568
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 But honestly, sometimes is nice see Gameplay and Lore wise accurate. And actually the most part of characters gameplay and lore states are separated
@@SuperKevinho1 I think it is a good thing thet Neuvilette is strong, but I think he is just too strong even at C0. It is not really fair. Even lorewise he should be not this strong compered to other gods, he died once and he lost most of his old power. Like, I think currently he should be closer to Raiden and Zhongli streangh even lorewise though I hate talking about streanght of the charatcers in the lore because it is mostly bowl down assumptions and who's father or mother is stronger like in kindergarden.
Basicly, we just should separate lore and gamplay on the most part when it is came for streanght. In case of kits I like thet when they build the lore into the kit, like in case of Hu Tao or Furina.
i agree, especially on the issue with wriothesley. i have a really powerful freeze build but playing him is a pain at c0 so i kinda benched him because of that. this means my account improved by little to nothing after getting him