God, I wanted Wildstar to succeed. Combat aside, the art and themes fucking slapped! Like... how can you go wrong with what was, stylistically, a Ratchet and Clank MMO?
I lived so much wildstar! I was one of the few players. The platform housing was such a good idea! And the artwork was incredible with such good animation for this time
@@shishasho33heard there fans working on a private server of Wildstar, *Wildstar, and Defiance* . are 2 mmorpg that should have never died . They both were decent fun
I'm also a fan of the MMO. Love the combat, the theme, graphics, and the choice of races was nice (Chua for the win!). Sadly, like any MMOs, it launched with SO many bugs and glitches that never got fixed. Everyone knows if you have a terrible MMO launch, it's dead. (Unless your FF14).
A moment of silence for all the MMOs that may have had something to offer, but couldn't stick the landing. Going back to the second generation, I'd add Horizons and Shadowbane to that list.
Anyone else remember seeing concept art for Stargate Worlds? I'd give this one an honerable mention except that it never even made it to launch before it got axed.
Warhammer online was sooooo hyped up back then. Everyone was screaming it was the “WoW killer” and my entire guild immediately made characters on launch day. 2 weeks later we all quit. It was so disappointing
Wildstar really was an amazing game that was doomed due to the poor focus of the devs being too much on the 'hardcore player' bandwagon that they neglected more casual players. While it had a few issues that I feel didn't help draw more players in (performance wise it could be lackluster in some areas, and the 'profession' jobs that was meant as a big feature felt rather pointless that could of made leveling more interesting) it was still over-all so fun with its combat and the raids for those who were more hardcore were incredible.
In reality that was not the problem at all. By today's standards, the game was BARELY in EA. A lot of features were not working, some of them were good on paper, but completely disconnected form the game's experience overall. All in all, the game was a mess. Being focused on the hardcore player is just a front for the people who didn't want to admit that a high profile game flopped in such a way, because back then, such cases were not really as common as they are today.
@@kaicluster6783 A front for what? I mean I'm up for hearing what reasons you think it was a mess and 'barely EA'. If the game was barely EA, then you could label a lot of EA games as being in Alpha. Most games don't even have as much content as Wildstar had on launch, heck in many ways it reflected WoW with the content it did have at launch (obviously not 1 to 1 ihaving some features and missing some wow had). Endgame had 1.) Dungeons (Which could be done for gear) 2.) PvP (Pvp being very popular with the combat). 3.) Raids (I believe there were technically 2 on launch) 4.) Housing 5.) World Events 6.) Crafting/Gathering Dailies I believe were added a bit after launch so I didn't add them. Could be missing stuff but pretty sure I had all the features down, and if not it would only benefit your arguement haivng less. Beyond some performance issues that tended to be mostly in certain zones (The dome/space zone I know was far from great on my PC personally) I don't recall anything that was outright a mess.
Videos like this just make me glad that Star Trek Online, for all of its flaws, has managed to survive for nearly 15 years and do fairly well for itself. Good Star Trek games are rare, and not seeing the only Star Trek MMO on a list like this is always good.
There was FF14 1.0 lovers that left with ARR. Some came back, most never did though. Wildly from the final few patches to the game leading in to the 5 year time gap between it and ARR. But dear lord, I think everyone, including the original FF11 players who were used to the grindy MMO gameplay and obtuse bullshit to get to the story were NOT fans of it. Combined with it having a bigger reach thanks to FF’s growing popularity overseas, it nearly sank the company. I highly recommend you finally do a watch-along on the first 5/6 episodes of The Fall & Rise of FFXIV by SpeakersNetwork and the three NoClip Documentaries on 1.0 still one day. Also, great vid Caff!
Honestly, a lot of the MMOs that came out in the wake of WoWs massive success, from ca. 2005 to 2010, all called "WoW killers" but none of them managed to establish themselves with the exception of maybe GW2 and SWTOR.
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, The Exciting Game About Standing In Line (TM). Even the marketing images showed a bunch of characters standing in line. I played in the beta. The world was gorgeous, but there were a lot of starting zones, most of which were empty. There were several unique character classes that I have not seen before or since, and some of the traditional ones were implemented in an interesting fashion. There was even a form of social combat / diplomacy, which you could use under certain circumstances. But the developers' insistence on having no instanced content meant that, when you did find a zone with players, you ended up spending a lot of time waiting for quest objectives to respawn. So ... the worst of both worlds, either utterly empty or overcrowded, depending on where you were. I would have loved to see that game succeed. It had a LOT of great ideas, some of which were actually implemented well. /sigh
Return to reckoning was great! I'll have to check out your series on it. The other reason it died was that the epic end game realm sieges were next to impossible to run. My PC crashed every time I tried to zone into the fight and though I didn't have the best rig it wasn't the worst.
Love all your videos CD, and this was a fun one! I was compelled to comment on this one because you did such a nice job labelling the sections for each game, which makes it nice if someone wants to cheat and peak ahead, or forgets halfway through the talking point which game you're talking about. More videos should do this! Thanks for all your videos
I played Tarisland on PC briefly, but it was way too much of a mobile game for my tastes. It was also painfully obvious when grouping up that most players were actually playing on mobile devices. There were a ton of players on though, so the Steam charts on this one aren't very representative of the game's total population. I also played Life Is Feudal extensively during its initial release, Vanguard for several months before it shut down, and Pax Dei for just a short time during testing. Your video is missing some important info on some of these games that is skewing the context of your presentation. Life is Feudal, for example, was actually shut down entirely for several years as Xsolla (the payment processor) yoinked the game out from under the original developers. It resurfaced under an entirely different dev team awhile back. There are other omissions that I think are pretty important, such as Pax Dei still being in early access and under heavy development. During which it is entirely normal and often necessary to do wipes of various types. I'm no fan of shady, incompetent, or lazy developers but the info in this video seems pretty incomplete and potentially misleading. I usually enjoy and appreciate the videos you make but this one has me scratching my head.
Yeah, for Tarisland the initial release on PC was through their own launcher so I doubt many switched over so the playercount is misleading, but the way they handled content and progression was/is terrible but I thought the ingame guides to raids were a nice touch and the community wasn't very toxic and accepted people learning new mechs and stuff (in the beginning at least)
@@luccienvTarisland is the dollar store version of WoW. I think the World of King is the same developer , which was another wow android bootleg as well , same ui and character create a player , don't know what tempts me to DL those sketchy games.
Man, seeing Vanguard really took me back. It is one of the biggest disappointments for me personally. Was so excited for it when it was coming out, and then I played it and almost immediately dropped it.
You forgot one MMO -- The Secret World -- where the Devs spent all their time in character creation that there are little to no game play. Then they had a FFXIV-style reboot to what it is now The Secret World Legends. I have not tried this game, but there it is.
So glad warhammer is getting the love it deserves. It deserved way better than how it was released managed by EA. It’s still a shining gem and every time I play it I’m amazed at what we had back then and didn’t realize it. From the classes to the races, everything nowadays seems so bland and plain in new mmos. Hope it never dies.
It came out in an era when everything was hyped as a World of Warcraft killer when they should have been focused on just making a good Warhammer game. Didn't help that the release was rushed and some race/class options that were advertised/hyped as being available at release were delayed until later patches. Glad people are still finding it fun though.
Wildstar's problem was publisher hubris and a gross misunderstanding of the market. Had it launched as buy-to-play or free-to-play it would probably still be around today. But it launched as buy AND sub to pay, with a brand new IP. You cant do that with a brand new IP.
most of them did think ''we will drop this and expect money but will never release new content after'' well guess what that never worked and didnt think that maintaining server cost a lot of money
No one remembers Maplestory 2. Honestly was such a good MMO for what it was, but the fact it was very poorly managed (Nexon moment) and could not decide if it wanted to be a more casual dress up/ house decorating sim or a hardcore raiding grindfest led to it just dying only 2 years after launch. Such a shame it died so fast.
Wildstar was a game that the developers over estimated the desire for a vanilla wow style experience. They were slow to update and add in QoL changes and ultimately the game died off quickly. People always misunderstand that WoW didnt get 12million players in vanilla, they got that in Wrath which was a huge upgrade over what vanilla had. The vanilla andy's are a vocal but niche group of players and not big enough of a group to support a huge MMO that the Wildstar devs were clearly hoping for. I liked Wildstar but it was vanilla wow like to hold my attention. I played that already, and really prefer the wrath experience over it. If only they moved quicker instead of being stubborn with keeping attunements and 40 man raids.
Tarisland is just a pirate product born to replace WoW at the moment cuz their service contract gone out of date. Btw, black myth is about same level in my opinion
Vanguard was a tragedy. Some it was so, so good. One of the worse problems was that it was killer to run at release. I'm old, so I was able to buy a high-end machine before it released (we knew it was going to be like that), but for a lot of people it was virtually unplayable. The crafting/gathering has never been beaten.
I forgot about Pax Dei. Granted I wasn't really sold on it as to me it didn't really stand out to me from the average indie survival crafting game (Ark, Rust, The Forest, etc). Apparently too iirc like Ashes of Creation, the amount of resources needed to craft stuff aren't really obtainable for a solo player in a reasonable amount of time. More or less forcing people to be in guilds, large friend groups, or viewers if you're a content creator. Kind of ironic nowadays that people like myself who prefer experiencing MMOs solo are becoming more common.
I liked Vanguard. I started playing it after it went free to play. Another onr not mentioned was Gods & Heroes: Rome Rising. I played in the beta, and it was a bit of a mess, but the story and the follower system was interesting as you essentially led a team of 4 or 5
God hearing about Wildstar still makes me pissed they shut down. It felt like if the Jak and Daxter series was an MMO. Also surprised Blade and Soul was not on this list. That game literally shot itself in the foot with events that are literally just slot machines you had to use real money to spin and then pay gold to get your "prize."
god i remember when warhammer came online, so so SOO HYPED ! but also oh so disapointing, i bet my money that if a new mmo with warhammer was to be made, would be so popular !
I played Vanguard and it wasn't too bad. But, then I discovered WoW. Wildstar was amazing and had great player housing. Warhammer was fun for a bit. But, got boring with no end game.
I highly recommend the noclip documentary about the death of FF14 1.0 for anyone interested. Aaah FF14 1.0...a game with flowerpots that had more polygons than player characters so you'd lag when walking past them. lol
I was curious about Pax Dei... up until I learned that not only did you need to pay to get the game, but it was missing a _ton_ of basic community interaction features, and you were already being asked to pay a subscription fee for a broken, feature-lacking experience. I heard the subscription was optional, but still... releasing an early access game for $40 and then asking for a subscription on top of that when it's missing a ton of features to justify the price? Yeah, no thanks, I'm not paying you to test your game for you.
I really like Tabula Rasa for the whole 3 weeks I played for the last month it was active 🙄I bought the collectors edition for like 30 bucks which should have been a red flag. Had a rather interesting character power system and it seemed like it would be fun to play but it just died for some reason.
I actually played Vanguard saga of heros a bit I enjoyed it but it was really how you say... rough around the edges. it could have been great but alas. it was rushed thus it didn't do too well. if it could have cooked awhile longer it would have been so much better.
The Matrix Online was really great. You had to be there at the beginning though. They literally hired actors to play as characters from the movies. You could literally walk up to Morpheus, Niobe, Ghost, etc etc and talk to them and the actors playing the characters would talk back to you never breaking character. They would also give players missions and if you were super lucky, they'd fight in a special mission with your team. It really felt like you were in the movies. What's also crazy is that the MMO is canon to the movies including The Matrix 4. Everything they talked about happening in the matrix 4 happened in the MMO. Morpheus's death, everything that happened to the exiles, all the stuff with Neo and Trinity. They would have story updates for the game that carried the story forward. When Morpheus was killed, that was a setup for a bunch of new missions and enemies to fight against. And the clothing options you could unlock and craft! That was one of the best parts. Being able to unlock new outfits to try and get the exact look you wanted so you could stand out. And there were agents that were impossible to fight. If you went to the dangerous zones, you got more exp for doing missions there and there was a risk of getting chased by Agents. Me and my party were getting chased by one agent and he was 100% going one hit kill all of us. So I sacrificed myself by engaging in hand to hand combat with him. This kept him from chasing and shooting everyone for about 5 or 6 seconds. just enough time for everywhere to Super Jump into the safe zones. I'm telling you man, that game was intense. Very clunky though...it was always doomed to fail. You had to be a matrix super fan AND an MMO lover back then to understand why the game was so clunky. Back then there was no such thing as casual MMOs. The game was not only clunky, but like most MMOs before WoW, it was hard. so if a casual gamer decided to try it, they'd have to get through multiple barriers: Sony Online Entertainment's convoluted and stupid payment process and account creation, figuring out how to download the launcher, log in to the launcher, download the game through the launcher which was a nightmare, then once they get into the game, figure out how to move and do combat. If you were new to MMOs back then, you'd definitely give up after 20 minutes. Even for back then, it was a clunky and janky game. Not a good first MMO for anyone. And yeah, the missions were repetitive after a while. After like a month of playing, it got boring because it took FOREVER to level up and get new clothing, weapons, skills etc. It just wasn't worth playing. Especially by the time other MMOs like City of Heroes came out where you could basically make your own matrix like characters anyway with vastly better controls and graphics. The Matrix Online did have better clothing options and combat animations though. it still beats out even modern MMOs in that regard. I think a Cyberpunk MMO could take it's place now days.
Not dead on arrival but i still dearly miss Shin megami tensei and Twelve sky1 and 2. Aeriagames were scummy and heavil p2w games but hell they were good.
it was pretty funny watching every mmo content creator telling us that actually Tarisland is really good 😂 i don't care if you need to get your money go for it but i can still laugh at you
Archeage was set to be THE MMO for pvp players. Then it launched and it was an utter disappointing crap fest. Another one for the list is APB. Was suppose to be the spiritual successor for GTA online. The thing was shut down pretty quickly, tried to launch again then also failed. And a third one is DC Universe online. An mmo set in the DC universe? Yes please! Then people played it. Instance based, limited maps and sub par pvp
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God, I wanted Wildstar to succeed. Combat aside, the art and themes fucking slapped! Like... how can you go wrong with what was, stylistically, a Ratchet and Clank MMO?
I lived so much wildstar! I was one of the few players. The platform housing was such a good idea! And the artwork was incredible with such good animation for this time
@@shishasho33heard there fans working on a private server of Wildstar, *Wildstar, and Defiance* . are 2 mmorpg that should have never died . They both were decent fun
I'm also a fan of the MMO. Love the combat, the theme, graphics, and the choice of races was nice (Chua for the win!).
Sadly, like any MMOs, it launched with SO many bugs and glitches that never got fixed. Everyone knows if you have a terrible MMO launch, it's dead. (Unless your FF14).
They tried to copy WOW too much and offered nothing new. That and the limited pvp options, it was DOA
Holy Caff, I saw Vanguard on thumbnail and click right away. That game had so much promise.
A moment of silence for all the MMOs that may have had something to offer, but couldn't stick the landing. Going back to the second generation, I'd add Horizons and Shadowbane to that list.
Shadowbane would have been so awesome
I'll have to take a look at those i don't I have heard of them before
Anyone else remember seeing concept art for Stargate Worlds? I'd give this one an honerable mention except that it never even made it to launch before it got axed.
I'm surprised TERA wasn't on this list.
Warhammer online was sooooo hyped up back then. Everyone was screaming it was the “WoW killer” and my entire guild immediately made characters on launch day. 2 weeks later we all quit. It was so disappointing
Now full time FF14 player but man I loved Wildstar
Imo Wildstar still has some of the best housing and I really liked the art style of the game
Surprised Age of Conan wasn't on the list considering that game literally had no content outside of Tortage
Tortage was awesome. Game could have been too. Herald of xolti was a cool class too, how many demonic shape shifting mages we got in mmos?
Wildstar really was an amazing game that was doomed due to the poor focus of the devs being too much on the 'hardcore player' bandwagon that they neglected more casual players. While it had a few issues that I feel didn't help draw more players in (performance wise it could be lackluster in some areas, and the 'profession' jobs that was meant as a big feature felt rather pointless that could of made leveling more interesting) it was still over-all so fun with its combat and the raids for those who were more hardcore were incredible.
In reality that was not the problem at all. By today's standards, the game was BARELY in EA. A lot of features were not working, some of them were good on paper, but completely disconnected form the game's experience overall.
All in all, the game was a mess.
Being focused on the hardcore player is just a front for the people who didn't want to admit that a high profile game flopped in such a way, because back then, such cases were not really as common as they are today.
@@kaicluster6783 A front for what? I mean I'm up for hearing what reasons you think it was a mess and 'barely EA'. If the game was barely EA, then you could label a lot of EA games as being in Alpha. Most games don't even have as much content as Wildstar had on launch, heck in many ways it reflected WoW with the content it did have at launch (obviously not 1 to 1 ihaving some features and missing some wow had).
Endgame had
1.) Dungeons (Which could be done for gear)
2.) PvP (Pvp being very popular with the combat).
3.) Raids (I believe there were technically 2 on launch)
4.) Housing
5.) World Events
6.) Crafting/Gathering
Dailies I believe were added a bit after launch so I didn't add them. Could be missing stuff but pretty sure I had all the features down, and if not it would only benefit your arguement haivng less.
Beyond some performance issues that tended to be mostly in certain zones (The dome/space zone I know was far from great on my PC personally) I don't recall anything that was outright a mess.
Videos like this just make me glad that Star Trek Online, for all of its flaws, has managed to survive for nearly 15 years and do fairly well for itself.
Good Star Trek games are rare, and not seeing the only Star Trek MMO on a list like this is always good.
There was FF14 1.0 lovers that left with ARR. Some came back, most never did though. Wildly from the final few patches to the game leading in to the 5 year time gap between it and ARR. But dear lord, I think everyone, including the original FF11 players who were used to the grindy MMO gameplay and obtuse bullshit to get to the story were NOT fans of it. Combined with it having a bigger reach thanks to FF’s growing popularity overseas, it nearly sank the company.
I highly recommend you finally do a watch-along on the first 5/6 episodes of The Fall & Rise of FFXIV by SpeakersNetwork and the three NoClip Documentaries on 1.0 still one day.
Also, great vid Caff!
Honestly, a lot of the MMOs that came out in the wake of WoWs massive success, from ca. 2005 to 2010, all called "WoW killers" but none of them managed to establish themselves with the exception of maybe GW2 and SWTOR.
And even then I wouldn't say the made it as big as wow. The wow killer title was always a big thing
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, The Exciting Game About Standing In Line (TM). Even the marketing images showed a bunch of characters standing in line. I played in the beta. The world was gorgeous, but there were a lot of starting zones, most of which were empty. There were several unique character classes that I have not seen before or since, and some of the traditional ones were implemented in an interesting fashion. There was even a form of social combat / diplomacy, which you could use under certain circumstances.
But the developers' insistence on having no instanced content meant that, when you did find a zone with players, you ended up spending a lot of time waiting for quest objectives to respawn. So ... the worst of both worlds, either utterly empty or overcrowded, depending on where you were.
I would have loved to see that game succeed. It had a LOT of great ideas, some of which were actually implemented well. /sigh
Vangiard: SoH and Wildstar are two tragedies imo. Such great games. Vanguard did have its early release issues. But both fantastic in their own right
Return to reckoning was great! I'll have to check out your series on it. The other reason it died was that the epic end game realm sieges were next to impossible to run. My PC crashed every time I tried to zone into the fight and though I didn't have the best rig it wasn't the worst.
Lol the sheer amount of pc stress is hilarious. Comparable to huge wvw fights in gw2
I was in the beta for Matrix Online.
Nearly every building seemed the same.
In Beta, the lift door would open only to be met with a brick wall.
Love all your videos CD, and this was a fun one! I was compelled to comment on this one because you did such a nice job labelling the sections for each game, which makes it nice if someone wants to cheat and peak ahead, or forgets halfway through the talking point which game you're talking about. More videos should do this! Thanks for all your videos
I played Tarisland on PC briefly, but it was way too much of a mobile game for my tastes. It was also painfully obvious when grouping up that most players were actually playing on mobile devices. There were a ton of players on though, so the Steam charts on this one aren't very representative of the game's total population.
I also played Life Is Feudal extensively during its initial release, Vanguard for several months before it shut down, and Pax Dei for just a short time during testing. Your video is missing some important info on some of these games that is skewing the context of your presentation. Life is Feudal, for example, was actually shut down entirely for several years as Xsolla (the payment processor) yoinked the game out from under the original developers. It resurfaced under an entirely different dev team awhile back.
There are other omissions that I think are pretty important, such as Pax Dei still being in early access and under heavy development. During which it is entirely normal and often necessary to do wipes of various types.
I'm no fan of shady, incompetent, or lazy developers but the info in this video seems pretty incomplete and potentially misleading. I usually enjoy and appreciate the videos you make but this one has me scratching my head.
Yeah, for Tarisland the initial release on PC was through their own launcher so I doubt many switched over so the playercount is misleading, but the way they handled content and progression was/is terrible but I thought the ingame guides to raids were a nice touch and the community wasn't very toxic and accepted people learning new mechs and stuff (in the beginning at least)
@@luccienvTarisland is the dollar store version of WoW. I think the World of King is the same developer , which was another wow android bootleg as well , same ui and character create a player , don't know what tempts me to DL those sketchy games.
God I miss Wildstar 😢
Wildstar was DOA due entirely to it being NCSoft. People were so burned by previous games from them that it lost a ton of support just for that alone.
Man, seeing Vanguard really took me back. It is one of the biggest disappointments for me personally. Was so excited for it when it was coming out, and then I played it and almost immediately dropped it.
The more I hear about vanguard the more I am disappointed that it didn't take off
Man, I loved Vanguard back in the day. So much potential.
You forgot one MMO -- The Secret World -- where the Devs spent all their time in character creation that there are little to no game play. Then they had a FFXIV-style reboot to what it is now The Secret World Legends. I have not tried this game, but there it is.
This! Secret world had so much promise. Just the builds were fun
The secret world should have been single player game it was certainly build like one considering lack of end game content.
So glad warhammer is getting the love it deserves. It deserved way better than how it was released managed by EA. It’s still a shining gem and every time I play it I’m amazed at what we had back then and didn’t realize it. From the classes to the races, everything nowadays seems so bland and plain in new mmos. Hope it never dies.
It came out in an era when everything was hyped as a World of Warcraft killer when they should have been focused on just making a good Warhammer game. Didn't help that the release was rushed and some race/class options that were advertised/hyped as being available at release were delayed until later patches. Glad people are still finding it fun though.
Wildstar's problem was publisher hubris and a gross misunderstanding of the market.
Had it launched as buy-to-play or free-to-play it would probably still be around today.
But it launched as buy AND sub to pay, with a brand new IP.
You cant do that with a brand new IP.
A matrix game should have been a console game only , couldn't picture that mmo knocking it out the ball park like WoW or LotRO, SWTOR, etc.
I agree, the matrix online had a really unique look and take but the early graphics had a console feel
most of them did think ''we will drop this and expect money but will never release new content after'' well guess what that never worked and didnt think that maintaining server cost a lot of money
My friend worked on Vanguard as an asset artist. It sucked that it failed.
No one remembers Maplestory 2. Honestly was such a good MMO for what it was, but the fact it was very poorly managed (Nexon moment) and could not decide if it wanted to be a more casual dress up/ house decorating sim or a hardcore raiding grindfest led to it just dying only 2 years after launch. Such a shame it died so fast.
Wildstar was a game that the developers over estimated the desire for a vanilla wow style experience. They were slow to update and add in QoL changes and ultimately the game died off quickly. People always misunderstand that WoW didnt get 12million players in vanilla, they got that in Wrath which was a huge upgrade over what vanilla had. The vanilla andy's are a vocal but niche group of players and not big enough of a group to support a huge MMO that the Wildstar devs were clearly hoping for.
I liked Wildstar but it was vanilla wow like to hold my attention. I played that already, and really prefer the wrath experience over it. If only they moved quicker instead of being stubborn with keeping attunements and 40 man raids.
Tarisland is just a pirate product born to replace WoW at the moment cuz their service contract gone out of date.
Btw, black myth is about same level in my opinion
Vanguard was a tragedy. Some it was so, so good. One of the worse problems was that it was killer to run at release. I'm old, so I was able to buy a high-end machine before it released (we knew it was going to be like that), but for a lot of people it was virtually unplayable. The crafting/gathering has never been beaten.
Wildstar still has one of the best raid trailers out there
I never got into the hype of wildstar but the more I look the sadder I am lol
@@CaffeinatedDad take a look at Wildstars Raid trailer some day, just to get the feel of it
There was I played long time ago, I want to say it was Server VS. Server, I believe the name of the MMO was Fury
Everquest Next/Landmark immediately come to mind. R.I.P...😢
brighter shores and core punk probably will join the list soon
I forgot about Pax Dei. Granted I wasn't really sold on it as to me it didn't really stand out to me from the average indie survival crafting game (Ark, Rust, The Forest, etc).
Apparently too iirc like Ashes of Creation, the amount of resources needed to craft stuff aren't really obtainable for a solo player in a reasonable amount of time. More or less forcing people to be in guilds, large friend groups, or viewers if you're a content creator.
Kind of ironic nowadays that people like myself who prefer experiencing MMOs solo are becoming more common.
I liked Vanguard. I started playing it after it went free to play.
Another onr not mentioned was Gods & Heroes: Rome Rising. I played in the beta, and it was a bit of a mess, but the story and the follower system was interesting as you essentially led a team of 4 or 5
God hearing about Wildstar still makes me pissed they shut down. It felt like if the Jak and Daxter series was an MMO.
Also surprised Blade and Soul was not on this list. That game literally shot itself in the foot with events that are literally just slot machines you had to use real money to spin and then pay gold to get your "prize."
Yeah I've been getting back into ToonTown recently :)
Nice video! I only heard of a few of these to be honest lol.
I'd like to see you try out The Secret World/Secret World Legends.
Man, can't we have MMOs like the old days? without the survival game mechanics and gatcha/loot box system, pls
I played Vanguard. It was good. Basically TES Oblivion online.
I kept waiting for vanguard to be fixed before subscribing. It was never fixed.
The more I see about it the more I am kinda sad it didn't take off
Pax die has the potential a lot can change in alpha
god i remember when warhammer came online, so so SOO HYPED ! but also oh so disapointing,
i bet my money that if a new mmo with warhammer was to be made, would be so popular !
I still miss Warhammer age of reckoning and The secret world....best MMOs ever made..
Miss?
You can still play the Warhammer MMO.
@Chattyman2 the server have shut down years ago,maybe you mean unofficially
@@frapapcgaming it is still the exact same game. Heck even better now because people who love it are actually in charge of it
@@Chattyman2 so where I can find it?thanks again for the info
I played Vanguard and it wasn't too bad. But, then I discovered WoW. Wildstar was amazing and had great player housing. Warhammer was fun for a bit. But, got boring with no end game.
I highly recommend the noclip documentary about the death of FF14 1.0 for anyone interested.
Aaah FF14 1.0...a game with flowerpots that had more polygons than player characters so you'd lag when walking past them. lol
I was curious about Pax Dei... up until I learned that not only did you need to pay to get the game, but it was missing a _ton_ of basic community interaction features, and you were already being asked to pay a subscription fee for a broken, feature-lacking experience. I heard the subscription was optional, but still... releasing an early access game for $40 and then asking for a subscription on top of that when it's missing a ton of features to justify the price? Yeah, no thanks, I'm not paying you to test your game for you.
i loved it in beta, but crowfall was doa too
Wildstar was amazing
How about silk road online? I actually played vanguard and liked it back in the day.
I really like Tabula Rasa for the whole 3 weeks I played for the last month it was active 🙄I bought the collectors edition for like 30 bucks which should have been a red flag. Had a rather interesting character power system and it seemed like it would be fun to play but it just died for some reason.
I actually played Vanguard saga of heros a bit I enjoyed it but it was really how you say... rough around the edges. it could have been great but alas. it was rushed thus it didn't do too well. if it could have cooked awhile longer it would have been so much better.
The Matrix Online was really great. You had to be there at the beginning though.
They literally hired actors to play as characters from the movies. You could literally walk up to Morpheus, Niobe, Ghost, etc etc and talk to them and the actors playing the characters would talk back to you never breaking character. They would also give players missions and if you were super lucky, they'd fight in a special mission with your team. It really felt like you were in the movies.
What's also crazy is that the MMO is canon to the movies including The Matrix 4. Everything they talked about happening in the matrix 4 happened in the MMO. Morpheus's death, everything that happened to the exiles, all the stuff with Neo and Trinity. They would have story updates for the game that carried the story forward. When Morpheus was killed, that was a setup for a bunch of new missions and enemies to fight against.
And the clothing options you could unlock and craft! That was one of the best parts. Being able to unlock new outfits to try and get the exact look you wanted so you could stand out. And there were agents that were impossible to fight. If you went to the dangerous zones, you got more exp for doing missions there and there was a risk of getting chased by Agents. Me and my party were getting chased by one agent and he was 100% going one hit kill all of us. So I sacrificed myself by engaging in hand to hand combat with him. This kept him from chasing and shooting everyone for about 5 or 6 seconds. just enough time for everywhere to Super Jump into the safe zones. I'm telling you man, that game was intense. Very clunky though...it was always doomed to fail. You had to be a matrix super fan AND an MMO lover back then to understand why the game was so clunky. Back then there was no such thing as casual MMOs.
The game was not only clunky, but like most MMOs before WoW, it was hard. so if a casual gamer decided to try it, they'd have to get through multiple barriers: Sony Online Entertainment's convoluted and stupid payment process and account creation, figuring out how to download the launcher, log in to the launcher, download the game through the launcher which was a nightmare, then once they get into the game, figure out how to move and do combat. If you were new to MMOs back then, you'd definitely give up after 20 minutes. Even for back then, it was a clunky and janky game. Not a good first MMO for anyone. And yeah, the missions were repetitive after a while. After like a month of playing, it got boring because it took FOREVER to level up and get new clothing, weapons, skills etc. It just wasn't worth playing. Especially by the time other MMOs like City of Heroes came out where you could basically make your own matrix like characters anyway with vastly better controls and graphics. The Matrix Online did have better clothing options and combat animations though. it still beats out even modern MMOs in that regard.
I think a Cyberpunk MMO could take it's place now days.
I played FFXIV 1.0 and it was okay. Eventually I stopped playing it when GW2 came out lol but came back to FFXIV when ARR came out.
Wildstar was great! They just didn't do anything with it.
Gloria vectis and crowfall ar3 both game that last less then a year
Not dead on arrival but i still dearly miss Shin megami tensei and Twelve sky1 and 2. Aeriagames were scummy and heavil p2w games but hell they were good.
it was pretty funny watching every mmo content creator telling us that
actually Tarisland is really good 😂 i don't care if you need to get your money go for it but i can still laugh at you
Archeage was set to be THE MMO for pvp players. Then it launched and it was an utter disappointing crap fest.
Another one for the list is APB. Was suppose to be the spiritual successor for GTA online. The thing was shut down pretty quickly, tried to launch again then also failed.
And a third one is DC Universe online. An mmo set in the DC universe? Yes please!
Then people played it. Instance based, limited maps and sub par pvp
Bless online was an epic fail
W* lost a lot of ppl not due to bugs or anything but the difficulty. most gamers want easy stuff or stuff that doesn ot take much thought
Psst, FF14 is falling back down the hole as we speak. Game is boring as piss and is the same release model that's been happening, since HW.
Really? Was 7.1 not the boost that was needed?
Wildstar
Tera Online
New world
FFXIV was a failure lmao thats why we have FFXIV ARR. hell they even made FFXIV 1.0's realm being nuked part of why FF14 ARR exist XD
Ffxi is and always was better th as n ffxiv
Corepunk?
Not actually out yet
Stupid development tarisland team
Lmao