Awesome! I would love to see more content in the arrow. It’s fun to see the new and fancy, not as much older equipment content out there. Loved it! (Current archer owner with six pack and wing leveler)
I definitely plan on recording more. I'm headed to Sun N' Fun next week, so I'll probably record the arrival into there. Then the plane is going in for an avionics upgrade and will probably be down for a month. I'll get more up soon!
Hi, Wally. I have been asking for a video in your Arrow, so I was happy to see you post this. Your plane looks great, and if it was not for turbulence that day, it would have been a comfortable ride. Thank you for including us on your journeys and sharing your flight experience with us. You have a great channel and I enjoy your Instagram also!
I appreciate you always watching! I'll have more up in the Arrow at some point. I'm actually at a point that I have a backlog of video stuff that I need to find time to edit. I'll get there though!
My pleasure! I enjoy putting these videos out. When I was going through my initial training on this plane I was looking all over for educational stuff in this plane. I found Citation Max after I graduated and have learned a lot from him! He's moving up though!
I am a retired farmer that hasn’t flown since my first 40 hours after my license. I have lived a wonderful life but my biggest regret is not continuing in my flying. Thank you for bringing me along enjoy it all
I feel your pain with your autopilot. When I bought my Mooney it had a basic wing leveler that worked about half of the time. I can’t believe I flew IFR for 7 years without an autopilot! BTW - that was a heck of a crab you had in on that landing!
Yeah, that was a pretty crazy landing. I've since done an avionics upgrade in this plane and I just need to find the time to do a new video in it. It now has a GFC-500 autopilot. I appreciate you watching.
I took my "complex" training in that model. Loved the extra punch from the turbo in the summer time. The extra MPH over my 172 made 1,000 mile days a possibility.
Thanks a lot! I posted on Instagram that the ability to do that comes with many years of practice and a LOT of messed up landings (not pictures here). :-)
I love aviation!!! A former student athlete of mine has gotten his license and is working up the ladder with his certificates. I’ve flown out of Chesapeake with him twice now. Once locally for maneuvers, and another cross country to Salisbury, MD.
That's great! What do you teach? One of my fonder memories of my younger-years flying was taking one of my high-school teachers flying. He was such a great teacher!
@@AccidentalAviator I think Horoton Aviation flies a Bonanza. Nice looking airplane you have there. It's nice to see you fly with a prop. Thanks for having us along!
Great video! I remember seeing the turbo arrow on Skywagon Academy, and I was curious about what it was actually like in Flight. He talked about the performance numbers, but I wanted to see what it was like actually from the cockpit view. Thank you so much for sharing, and good luck on your aviation journey.plus, you’re making great progress on your UA-cam journey as well. Take care, and fly well!
I appreciate you watching. It's very similar to all of the other PA28 Indians (Warrior / Archer / Dakota...) It's just a little heavier than the others. There are a few people that like to write/complain about the T-Tail, but I don't really notice a difference. The only flying difference I notice is the weight of the aircraft. If I can answer anything about the plane, please let me know!
I just achieved my PPL earlier this week in a PA-28-161 out of AeroCenter at KILM. Your videos have inspired me to be a better pilot, so I just wanted to a drop a line to let you know that.
@@AccidentalAviator Yes, sir. I started my instrument training a couple weeks ago. I don't have any aspirations of being a commercial pilot (yet) but I want to be a safer one. As a 40-year-old software engineer your story really resonates with me. I used to work at LOB, and had a number of meetings in the hangar conference room, all while dreaming of the sky. Maybe in a few years I will transition from my career into something that brings me more joy.
@@thegoldenavatar I've had many people tell me "if you want to enjoy aviation then don't do it for a living!" I've managed to do that and I really enjoy what I'm doing at the moment. I really have the best of both worlds! Hopefully you're enjoying your instrument training! I did mine roughly 20 years ago.
I looked at and almost bought a Dakota many years ago before I wound up buying this. What does the Turbo version true at? I know it's definitely a hauler!
I fly an Archer in a club. We’ve got an IFD540/Dynon HDX/AeroCruz100 setup in our panel. I highly recommend this! The AP is the weak spot, but even that is very useful.
Nice. I didn't mention it in the video, but after Sun-N-Fun next week, my plane is going in for some avionics upgrades. I'm getting 2 G5's, the GFC500 autopilot and a new transponder. I'm really looking forward to that after having flown around with the Century 21 for many years!
Great flying and history! I stopped flying at age 40 but I stayed in the aircraft industry. (maintenance/logistics) Thanks for the videos, subscribed today!
@@AccidentalAviatorMilitary contractor, helicopter engines then Dash 7 & 8 special ops deployed. I retired 3 years ago, Daytona area. All of my flying time (4k+ hrs) was in military helicopters while on active duty. I always wanted to get my FW rating, too old now.
@AccidentalAviator from ILM to JNX, RCZ, and back to ILM. Circled Fayetteville using all their frequencies. If you ever want company on a flight, I always enjoy learning how others do it.
I’m not a pilot but love watching all kinds of aviator videos. Wow that looked like a super turbulent flight. I don’t know if it was the camera angle or real but it appeared you were in an extreme crab angle on approach. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one that sideways. You looked completely relaxed and in control throughout that trip though. It reflects your experience. Wish I would have got into flying when I was young. Anyway enjoyed it Alpha Alpha👍🏼 Name so nice you got to say it twice 🤣
Alpha Alpha sounds like "Alfalfa" when it's being sad :p It was a pretty extreme crab angle, the AWOS I think said 280 @16 gusting 25, but when I got inside the FBO they said it was 300 @ 18 gusting 29. The calmness comes from the experience, you are correct, but I'd be lying if I told you I wasn't nervous the first time attempting to land in that type of wind. It just takes practice like anything else! It's never too late to start flying though!
Great learning about your journey! Whenever you are dropping off at the Citation Service Center, let me know and I’m happy to fly you back to ILM. I fly a Saratoga and am based out of GSO. Trade you some right seat time in the Citation? Also an IT guy here who cut his teeth as a DBA.
Nice! I'll keep that in mind! We're up there every 6 or 7 months. I think our next scheduled maintenance will be in July of this year. Although a lot of the times I'll just drive back and visit friends along the way. What company do you work for in Greensboro?
Wally, what's good about turbulence? It covers up your mistakes on checkrides!! Hahahaha.......... Ya did good, buddy. I didn't know until now that you're a programmer by trade. When you read my book, BROKEN CONTROLLER, an Air Traffic Controllers Story, you'll really enjoy my description of my seven years as an Automation Specialist at Sacramento TRACON and Ontario TRACON. That system used UNIVAC 8300 mainframes, and we programmed in ULTRA (UNIVAC Language TRAnslator) assembly language. Airplanes? My Dad and I bought a Beech Baron 56TC (turbo Baron), as my first plane, and I had an '81 Warrior II that I leased back to my FBO for several years. That is a Very Nice turbo Arrow you've got there. You've done a stellar job of maintaining and improving it!! Fly safe, and Happy Landings! Speaking of landings... I'd flown my Warrior down to Ontario for a week when I was building their ARTS IIIA system. I was hoping for some good IFR weather for the trip home. Did I get it??? Came off Ontario and they gave me direct Gorman, maintain 10,000, after I was above Victor 186 traffic. That put me smack dab in the goo! By Gorman, I'd picked up a respectable amount of ice and requested 8,000 after Gorman, where I shed the ice. Continuous moderate to severe turbulence northbound toward Sacramento, and after handoff to Sacramento Approach, I requested direct Auburn and lower altitude. Broke out after 2 1/2 hours of 'hardball IFR,' got Auburn in sight and made a straight-in to runway 7. Crosswinds were atrocious, had the rudder pedal darn near to the floor and opposite aileron to maintain the runway centerline. I thought, "You've flown three hours of hardball instruments, and you're about to be the first person to the accident scene." I was making plans to abort the landing and fly to Lincoln Airport when I finally flew through the windshear and got out of the crosswind, and made a normal (safe) landing. The only one worse was the night I was landing in Reno in a Cessna 402, and tower radioed, "Casino 625, be advised, a Falcon Fanjet landed about 45 minutes ago and reported 70-knots windshears on final." Made the best landing in my life that night, but I sure had to earn it!!
Not the most pleasant flight, but you know what you're doing. My most recent plane was a PA-28 Warrior 2 based at KTTA (Sanford). I sold it to the Flight school there. Pretty cool you can do your job and fly for the company too. Thanks for the video.
It was a pretty bumpy flight below the clouds. We've had some really weird weather on the east coast the past few months. A lot of nice days but tons of gusty days.
A lot of people ask me about this, and if you do any searching at all on the internet, you find talked about as a negative all over the place. I've owned this plane over 20 years and honestly, I don't notice any real difference at all. It flies like any other plane that I've flown. The big difference I notice (and a lot of articles don't point out), is the plane is heavier than the 160/warrior and 180/Archer, and people stepping up from those planes have a heavier airplane and more gross weight. It flies like a heavier airplane. Fly your approach at 80 knots to flare and chop the power. It'll settle right to the ground without a problem! If there's anything specific you'd like to ask, I'll be happy to answer!
@@AccidentalAviator I am just learning about them... I have not flown one yet. I want to buy an airplane in the future. It's funny how a lot of people have something negative about an object or in this case the detail, but I see other videos of people who are happy. I think if there was any issue, you would say so after flying it for 20 years. You also mentioned that you have another airplane yet you still like to fly this one. That says a lot... I will come back with more questions in the future. Loving the channel so far
@@jaimeastin I only own this Arrow. I had a Cherokee 180 before and upgraded to this in 2003. I currently also fly a CJ3+ (T Tail) and used to fly a Pilatus PC-12 (T Tail). Nobody ever complains about those or a multitude of others that have a T-Tail configuration including some airliners. I personally have not noticed anything different and wouldn't even consider it as a "problem" when purchasing one.
I usually plan for 15 gallons per hour (it actually burns less) and fuel on average is around $6 / gallon (it can be found cheaper though). So, just put gas in the airplane it's roughly $90 / hour. The flight up to Chesapeake was about an hour and 10 minutes, so roughly $105 one way. I appreciate you watching!
Great video! I am myself a software engineer, and hoping to get my private pilot license before the end of the year. I have been wondering if it was feasable to work a non aviation job and still fly recreationally. Youre showing me its possible. Can you describe some of the challenges and benefits of living this lifestyle?
The benefits for me is that I was home more often. I enjoy travelling but I need down time too. I didn't get into flying the Pilatus and Citation much later, and even that I'm doing only about 150 hours per year so I'm not gone much. Prior to that I'd take my small plane everywhere I travelled and I love it. You get there much quicker (about 1/3rd of the time) and flying is just relaxing to me. The only large drawback I can think of is the cost of flying. It has skyrocketed in recent years. The cost of maintenance, fuel and hangar space just keeps going up with no end in sight. I've had many pilots tell me "If you want to enjoy flying, don't do it for a living." and I'm a living testament to that being an accurate quote! I hope that answers your questions!
Yes, quickly after touchdown I retracted the flaps. This reduces the lift the flaps give you and helps keep the plane on the ground easier and be less susceptible to gusts lifting the wing.
Great video! Could you please share your experience about cost of own of turbo arrow and tsio-360? Is it significantly higher then archer with o-360? I have some concerns about cost of own and reliability of tsio-360…
Sure, but you're not really comparing apples to apples. As I'm sure you're aware, the Archer with the O-360 has a fixed pitch propeller and fixed gear, so the cost to own just on those items alone will be significantly cheaper. I owned a Cherokee 180 for about 2 years before I bought this Turbo Arrow. From what I can remember, I didn't put much money into the 180, and I think it burned about 10 gallons per hour (if I'm remembering correctly). You have to take everything below with a grain of salt though, because my brother is my mechanic, so I'm not paying normal labor rates. Without him, I probably would not own this (and perhaps any) aircraft. When I bought the Turbo Arrow in 2003, it had a run-out engine that we flew for about 6 months before I overhauled it. At the time I think it was around $20k for the overhaul and I spent another $2-4k in overhauling other items. I think we ran relatively event free for roughly 900 hours (TBO is 1800 on this engine) and then I had a few low compression cylinders, so we decided to top the engine (6 new cylinders). I believe those were roughly $1500-$1700 per at the time, and unfortunately (as we discovered a bunch of years later), we got a bad batch of cylinders and we've since replaced 4 of them I believe. Most of them wound up leaking oil where the barrel meets the head (yes, very bizarre), but it happened. Overhauls now of the TSIO-360 I believe run around $50-60k, but all engines are ridiculous. At the time of the top overhaul we also sent the prop out to be overhauled, and I've had to do that one other time since. I think these generally run in the neighborhood of $2k. I've also had to overhaul the gear motor about 4 times (I think) in the 21 years I've owned it. This seems to be a once-every-5-year payment. Ironically, I've had no problems at all with the turbocharger and the engine. Other than the bad cylinders, it has performed nicely. I believe the bad rap this engine gets was from issues dating back to the 70s, and Continental has since fixed it with beefier crankshafts. That being said, I will not let anyone fly this plane other than myself. You can damage the engine if you don't baby the plane with this turbocharger. it is NOT normalized like most turbo charged engines are. You take off with 41 inches of manifold pressure which amounts to about 3/4 throttle at sea level. The engine will take care of you if you take care of it. For some more context, this plane will do about 157 knots at 10,000 feet on about 13 gallons per hour. The book says it'll do 177 knots at 20,000 feet, but I've never had it up there. All of those expenses that I listed above, you wouldn't have in the Cherokee 180 / Archer, so if simplicity is what you're looking for, I'd definitely recommend the Archer. You can't beat the engine or the airframe. They are both pretty bulletproof. If I remember correctly it did about 125 knots on 10 gallons per hour, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong about that.
Thanks a lot for your answer. Of course you can’t compare simple with complex aircraft for cost of ownership, but my curiosity was about how much more it expensive. I found pretty strange that turbos arrows are cheaper on aftermarket then regular arrows or even archers. Again, thanks for your very informative reply and fly safe :)
@@vl_fr Admittedly, I haven't looked in a few years, but the last time I did, Turbo Arrows were in the $120-150k range. That's an awfully expensive ask for an Archer unless it's a lot newer than the Turbo Arrow. If you buy a Turbo Arrow at the right price expecting to need to overhaul the engine, it's one less surprise you'll have. I've been very happy with mine! There aren't too many planes that can do 157 knots on 13 gallons an hour... although the Mooney with the same engine can do a bit better!
@@vl_fr Ya know, I don't really know, but I would venture to guess maybe that's true. I always loved the way the Comanches looked and I actually looked into them a bit before I bought the Arrow. The only thing I'd worry about with the Comanches is there was a lot less of them made and they don't really make parts for them any longer. So, if it's a plane specific part, you probably have to get it from a junkyard. With the Arrow, there's tons of PA28's out there, and they are still making parts for it.
Looking to buy a Turbo arrow 4 having flown a normally aspirated arrow 3 for a few hundred hrs. Lots of negative feedback online about the T Tail. What are your feelings about the T Tail?
I've had this plane for over 20 years now and I've flown all kinds of pipers and cessnas. I had the same concerns as you did when I bought this plane (I was also concerned about the Turbo). As far as the T-Tail goes, I think those comments from people are completely unfounded and I'd venture to guess a lot of people making those comments haven't even flown one. The only thing I notice over the Archer or the Warrior is that it's a heavier plane and flies heavier, but if you've flown an Arrow 3, you're already used to that weight difference. I find it funny that people will comment about T tails, yet it's perfectly fine for a Pilatus and many other aircraft including the Citation that I also fly. If you're thinking of buying one, then do it. Don't let the unfounded talk of a T-Tail deter you.
I like the traditional stuff as well. But I have never flown right seat in a Citation either so I have no point of comparison. Currently I am flying an Archer III, a Warrior II, a C172, C182 (maybe right seat in a Citation sometime). Should finish my instrument rating in a couple months.
The new style avionics makes everything safer and it's easier. My personal opinion is that the traditional six-pack makes you a better pilot. Mostly because it's NOT a video game.
You say this plane has been in your possession for 20 years? As far as I can see it's a pretty stock engine management configuration, I wonder if your engine makes it to TBO? Also, still no intentions to retrofit an intercooler (and automatic wastegate)?
Great questions. The only addition I made to the engine was the Merlin Wastegate (right after I bought it). This automatic wastegate keeps the cylinder temperatures way down. As for making it to TBO, that kinda depends on what your definition of that is. I put 6 new cylinders on it about 10 years ago, and I've had to replace a few since then (didn't get the greatest batch), but it's been a great plane and it's been purring along for a while now. If I had to complain about something, it would be the gear motor. I seem to have to replace that about every 5 years.
@@AccidentalAviator if your cylinders don't make it to factory-declared TBO, that is it - your engine doesn't make it to TBO. But do you understand *why* you have to replace cylinders? Overheat? Did you always fly with engine monitor and did you always follow temperature regimes in all phases of flight and avoided overboosting? If so, I really want to understand why you need cylinder replacement mid-time.
@@alexeygusev698 I installed an engine monitor when I bought the plane, and yes I run it under temperature specs. When I bought the plane it had a 1900 hour engine (TBO is 1800 on this engine), but it was leaking and burning oil, so we overhauled it. One thing about this engine is that it's not "turbo normalized." You take off with about 3/4 throttle and 41" of boost. 75% cruise power is roughly 33" and 2400 rpm, so you're always running over atmospheric pressures. We had a few low-compression cylinders during an annual roughly 10-12 years ago, and I erred on the safer side and decided to top it at the recommendation of my mechanic (and brother). As of right now, I believe I have around 1400 hours on it and I hardly need to put any oil in it. You can expect to do a little more maintenance on your engines with a turbo charger. They just naturally work harder. You can email me at accidentalaviator@gmail.com and I'll answer any other questions you have!
I’ve owned my plane for 33 years and have changed out cylinders despite operating the engine within proper operating parameters (using a full engine monitor) and doing frequent oil changes. My last two cylinders failed for different reasons. One because it failed a compression test and both valves were found leaking and the last cylinder was replaced due to high oil consumption. There has been a lot of debate whether cylinder component metallurgy has changed over the years since it seems a higher number of cylinders are being replaced. Unfortunately, dealing with mechanical issues come with ownership. My wife once said to me that it would have been cheaper if I had cocaine habit. 😂
@@Marauder92V Yeah, the cylinders we've replaced have all been from low compression and/or leaking through the barrel seam. It was definitely a weird batch that we got from the top-overhaul. My brother (an A&P/IA) has said for years that the metal used back pre-80s was way better and I tend to agree with him.
I love it when I see a GA aircraft without the fancy glass panel. My disgust for them would go so far as I would even stop flying in any GA aircraft that has these aweful full glass TV's instead of the good ol individual round instruments.
I'm very happy that I learned to fly using a six-pack. I think it makes you a safer (and more understanding) pilot. To me, the generations being raised on the glass cockpit look at flying as a video game! I recently upgraded some of the avionics in my arrow and decided to go with the 2 G5's. A modern(ish) update still retaining the 6-pack identity.
Unfortunately I have to listen to them, but I probably could have it a little lower. If there's something specific you'd like to know, I'd be happy to answer it here or in email (accidentalaviator@gmail.com)
Thank you for the sub! Pilot debrief is an excellent channel. If you like that type of accident analysis, check out blancolirio too. He's great. I watch a fair amount of 74 Gear. I'll have to check out skywagon!
Awesome! I would love to see more content in the arrow. It’s fun to see the new and fancy, not as much older equipment content out there. Loved it! (Current archer owner with six pack and wing leveler)
I definitely plan on recording more. I'm headed to Sun N' Fun next week, so I'll probably record the arrival into there. Then the plane is going in for an avionics upgrade and will probably be down for a month. I'll get more up soon!
Hi, Wally. I have been asking for a video in your Arrow, so I was happy to see you post this. Your plane looks great, and if it was not for turbulence that day, it would have been a comfortable ride. Thank you for including us on your journeys and sharing your flight experience with us. You have a great channel and I enjoy your Instagram also!
I appreciate you always watching! I'll have more up in the Arrow at some point. I'm actually at a point that I have a backlog of video stuff that I need to find time to edit. I'll get there though!
This really is a wonderful channel-educational, interesting, and varied. Thank you very much indeed for doing this.
My pleasure! I enjoy putting these videos out. When I was going through my initial training on this plane I was looking all over for educational stuff in this plane. I found Citation Max after I graduated and have learned a lot from him! He's moving up though!
I am a retired farmer that hasn’t flown since my first 40 hours after my license. I have lived a wonderful life but my biggest regret is not continuing in my flying. Thank you for bringing me along enjoy it all
It's never too late to re-start!
@@AccidentalAviator afraid it is for me. Heart problems but you are giving me the taste I need
@@berniebrown9115 I'm sorry to hear that. I appreciate that you enjoy the videos and it's satisfying a craving though!
@@AccidentalAviator thanks again
@@berniebrown9115 any time! If there's something you'd like to see or anything I can answer for you, please let me know!
Beautiful Arrow
Thank you! It's a great plane!
Lucky you for having such a beautiful plane! Thanks for the ride
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Helluva sporty approach! Nice work. Love the channel.
I appreciate you watching!
I enjoy the over head views of our coastline!!
I assume you mean the Wilmington coastline! It's definitely beautiful and I'm sure there will be some in the arrow up and down the coast.
@@AccidentalAviatorMy wife and I live on Virgina Creek in Hampstead. We love the overhead views!!
@@howardcrumpler2298 Nice! You're not too far away!
I feel your pain with your autopilot. When I bought my Mooney it had a basic wing leveler that worked about half of the time. I can’t believe I flew IFR for 7 years without an autopilot!
BTW - that was a heck of a crab you had in on that landing!
Yeah, that was a pretty crazy landing. I've since done an avionics upgrade in this plane and I just need to find the time to do a new video in it. It now has a GFC-500 autopilot.
I appreciate you watching.
I took my "complex" training in that model. Loved the extra punch from the turbo in the summer time. The extra MPH over my 172 made 1,000 mile days a possibility.
I love this plane. It's been great to me and it's a very economical traveler. I appreciate you watching.
Great video!!!!! And that was great to see the conditions as they were happening!!! You said it best, a very sporty landing indeed!!
Glad you enjoyed it! It definitely was!
Excellent thank you for sharing!🌞🇺🇸🙏👍
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it. Are you a pilot too?
I was at KCPK yesterday doing some ground school. Good flight
I've been in and out of there many times. It's a cool little airport!
That was a very impressive approach and landing in those conditions, awesome flying!
Thanks a lot! I posted on Instagram that the ability to do that comes with many years of practice and a LOT of messed up landings (not pictures here). :-)
I enjoyed hearing your story. Thank you for sharing your aviation journey here!
I appreciate you watching!
I love aviation!!! A former student athlete of mine has gotten his license and is working up the ladder with his certificates. I’ve flown out of Chesapeake with him twice now. Once locally for maneuvers, and another cross country to Salisbury, MD.
That's great! What do you teach? One of my fonder memories of my younger-years flying was taking one of my high-school teachers flying. He was such a great teacher!
Watching from South Island NZ. Enjoying your videos!
I would love to visit New Zealand at some point! Thanks for watching / commenting. Let me know if I can answer anything for you!
Thanks for all you do! Don't forget NC's own Horton Aviation and Steveo1kinevo!
I don't think I've ever heard of Horton Aviation. I will look them up! Of course I watch Steveo too. I just forgot to mention him. Great suggestions!
@@AccidentalAviator I think Horoton Aviation flies a Bonanza. Nice looking airplane you have there. It's nice to see you fly with a prop. Thanks for having us along!
@@W1RMD I'll definitely look him up!
It's been educational and entertaining watching you. Thanks for all the hard work.
Thanks for watching! I appreciate it!
i am flying a Cessna 172, with the Civil Air Patrol in Iowa. i like all the videos you have produced.
What sort of flights/missions does the civil air patrol do?
Great video! I remember seeing the turbo arrow on Skywagon Academy, and I was curious about what it was actually like in Flight. He talked about the performance numbers, but I wanted to see what it was like actually from the cockpit view. Thank you so much for sharing, and good luck on your aviation journey.plus, you’re making great progress on your UA-cam journey as well. Take care, and fly well!
I appreciate you watching. It's very similar to all of the other PA28 Indians (Warrior / Archer / Dakota...) It's just a little heavier than the others.
There are a few people that like to write/complain about the T-Tail, but I don't really notice a difference. The only flying difference I notice is the weight of the aircraft. If I can answer anything about the plane, please let me know!
Got rid of my Cessna 172RG2 in 2017 shortly before I retired. Landing checklist was CC- GUMP. Cowl flaps, carb heat, gas, undercarriage, mixture, prop
I have a few hours in one of those many many years ago. They are good planes!
Enjoy your channel, just spent the last two months flying in Florida in a Cirrus. Now back home in UK... rainy grey skies everyday !!
So that stereotype is totally true? Grey skies every day? Where in Florida were you flying? I'm familiar with most of the state.
@@AccidentalAviator Venice KVNC
@@Skipperpilot-d2m Been there a few times. Beautiful area of Florida.
Nice landing
Thank you! There's a lot of practice involved in that, and a lot of bad landings too!
I just achieved my PPL earlier this week in a PA-28-161 out of AeroCenter at KILM. Your videos have inspired me to be a better pilot, so I just wanted to a drop a line to let you know that.
That's awesome! Congratulations! If you see me around the FBO, say hi! Let me know how you're progressing! Are you working on your Instrument next?
@@AccidentalAviator Yes, sir. I started my instrument training a couple weeks ago. I don't have any aspirations of being a commercial pilot (yet) but I want to be a safer one. As a 40-year-old software engineer your story really resonates with me. I used to work at LOB, and had a number of meetings in the hangar conference room, all while dreaming of the sky. Maybe in a few years I will transition from my career into something that brings me more joy.
@@thegoldenavatar I've had many people tell me "if you want to enjoy aviation then don't do it for a living!" I've managed to do that and I really enjoy what I'm doing at the moment. I really have the best of both worlds! Hopefully you're enjoying your instrument training! I did mine roughly 20 years ago.
Found your channel and am enjoying it. I fly a 1979 Piper Turbo Dakota out of KMOP.
I looked at and almost bought a Dakota many years ago before I wound up buying this. What does the Turbo version true at? I know it's definitely a hauler!
@@AccidentalAviator Usually around 140 knots
I fly an Archer in a club. We’ve got an IFD540/Dynon HDX/AeroCruz100 setup in our panel. I highly recommend this! The AP is the weak spot, but even that is very useful.
Nice. I didn't mention it in the video, but after Sun-N-Fun next week, my plane is going in for some avionics upgrades. I'm getting 2 G5's, the GFC500 autopilot and a new transponder. I'm really looking forward to that after having flown around with the Century 21 for many years!
@@AccidentalAviator Can’t go wrong with that setup, either!
Great flying and history! I stopped flying at age 40 but I stayed in the aircraft industry. (maintenance/logistics) Thanks for the videos, subscribed today!
Nice! What types of planes are you working on?
@@AccidentalAviatorMilitary contractor, helicopter engines then Dash 7 & 8 special ops deployed. I retired 3 years ago, Daytona area. All of my flying time (4k+ hrs) was in military helicopters while on active duty. I always wanted to get my FW rating, too old now.
I saw your plane on the ramp Monday. I went out for my long IR cross-country flight just after your dep. Looks like a great flight
I was bringing my buddy back to Chesapeake. Where did you go on your X-country?
@AccidentalAviator from ILM to JNX, RCZ, and back to ILM. Circled Fayetteville using all their frequencies. If you ever want company on a flight, I always enjoy learning how others do it.
Love the Rush sticker on the back!!
My brother (who is also my mechanic) is an avid Rush fan. He stuck that on there one day... I have to honor it :-) I get a ton of comments about it!
Awesome landing!
Thanks!
I’m not a pilot but love watching all kinds of aviator videos. Wow that looked like a super turbulent flight. I don’t know if it was the camera angle or real but it appeared you were in an extreme crab angle on approach. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one that sideways. You looked completely relaxed and in control throughout that trip though. It reflects your experience. Wish I would have got into flying when I was young. Anyway enjoyed it Alpha Alpha👍🏼
Name so nice you got to say it twice 🤣
Alpha Alpha sounds like "Alfalfa" when it's being sad :p
It was a pretty extreme crab angle, the AWOS I think said 280 @16 gusting 25, but when I got inside the FBO they said it was 300 @ 18 gusting 29. The calmness comes from the experience, you are correct, but I'd be lying if I told you I wasn't nervous the first time attempting to land in that type of wind. It just takes practice like anything else!
It's never too late to start flying though!
Awesome landing. Thanks for sharing.
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Nice flight
Thank you as always! I appreciate all of the comments and questions too.
Wow your company really helped you out.
I work for a pretty amazing company and have been able to accomplish a lot with them.
Great learning about your journey! Whenever you are dropping off at the Citation Service Center, let me know and I’m happy to fly you back to ILM. I fly a Saratoga and am based out of GSO. Trade you some right seat time in the Citation? Also an IT guy here who cut his teeth as a DBA.
Nice! I'll keep that in mind! We're up there every 6 or 7 months. I think our next scheduled maintenance will be in July of this year. Although a lot of the times I'll just drive back and visit friends along the way. What company do you work for in Greensboro?
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Glad you liked it! If I can answer anything for you, please let me know!
Wally, what's good about turbulence? It covers up your mistakes on checkrides!! Hahahaha.......... Ya did good, buddy. I didn't know until now that you're a programmer by trade. When you read my book, BROKEN CONTROLLER, an Air Traffic Controllers Story, you'll really enjoy my description of my seven years as an Automation Specialist at Sacramento TRACON and Ontario TRACON. That system used UNIVAC 8300 mainframes, and we programmed in ULTRA (UNIVAC Language TRAnslator) assembly language.
Airplanes? My Dad and I bought a Beech Baron 56TC (turbo Baron), as my first plane, and I had an '81 Warrior II that I leased back to my FBO for several years. That is a Very Nice turbo Arrow you've got there. You've done a stellar job of maintaining and improving it!! Fly safe, and Happy Landings!
Speaking of landings... I'd flown my Warrior down to Ontario for a week when I was building their ARTS IIIA system. I was hoping for some good IFR weather for the trip home. Did I get it??? Came off Ontario and they gave me direct Gorman, maintain 10,000, after I was above Victor 186 traffic. That put me smack dab in the goo! By Gorman, I'd picked up a respectable amount of ice and requested 8,000 after Gorman, where I shed the ice. Continuous moderate to severe turbulence northbound toward Sacramento, and after handoff to Sacramento Approach, I requested direct Auburn and lower altitude. Broke out after 2 1/2 hours of 'hardball IFR,' got Auburn in sight and made a straight-in to runway 7. Crosswinds were atrocious, had the rudder pedal darn near to the floor and opposite aileron to maintain the runway centerline. I thought, "You've flown three hours of hardball instruments, and you're about to be the first person to the accident scene." I was making plans to abort the landing and fly to Lincoln Airport when I finally flew through the windshear and got out of the crosswind, and made a normal (safe) landing. The only one worse was the night I was landing in Reno in a Cessna 402, and tower radioed, "Casino 625, be advised, a Falcon Fanjet landed about 45 minutes ago and reported 70-knots windshears on final." Made the best landing in my life that night, but I sure had to earn it!!
Great stories! I really am looking forward to reading your book. I just need to find some time to do it!
Not the most pleasant flight, but you know what you're doing. My most recent plane was a PA-28 Warrior 2 based at KTTA (Sanford). I sold it to the Flight school there. Pretty cool you can do your job and fly for the company too. Thanks for the video.
It was a pretty bumpy flight below the clouds. We've had some really weird weather on the east coast the past few months. A lot of nice days but tons of gusty days.
Did you replace your windshield or is it original? Looks really clear.
I had the plane painted in 2004 (I believe) and we replaced both windshields then.
Thanks for sharing!!! How do you like the T tail?
A lot of people ask me about this, and if you do any searching at all on the internet, you find talked about as a negative all over the place.
I've owned this plane over 20 years and honestly, I don't notice any real difference at all. It flies like any other plane that I've flown. The big difference I notice (and a lot of articles don't point out), is the plane is heavier than the 160/warrior and 180/Archer, and people stepping up from those planes have a heavier airplane and more gross weight. It flies like a heavier airplane.
Fly your approach at 80 knots to flare and chop the power. It'll settle right to the ground without a problem!
If there's anything specific you'd like to ask, I'll be happy to answer!
@@AccidentalAviator I am just learning about them... I have not flown one yet. I want to buy an airplane in the future. It's funny how a lot of people have something negative about an object or in this case the detail, but I see other videos of people who are happy. I think if there was any issue, you would say so after flying it for 20 years. You also mentioned that you have another airplane yet you still like to fly this one. That says a lot... I will come back with more questions in the future. Loving the channel so far
@@jaimeastin I only own this Arrow. I had a Cherokee 180 before and upgraded to this in 2003.
I currently also fly a CJ3+ (T Tail) and used to fly a Pilatus PC-12 (T Tail). Nobody ever complains about those or a multitude of others that have a T-Tail configuration including some airliners. I personally have not noticed anything different and wouldn't even consider it as a "problem" when purchasing one.
Nice plane. What is the average fuel cost for a trip like this one in the video? Thanks for sharing.
I usually plan for 15 gallons per hour (it actually burns less) and fuel on average is around $6 / gallon (it can be found cheaper though). So, just put gas in the airplane it's roughly $90 / hour. The flight up to Chesapeake was about an hour and 10 minutes, so roughly $105 one way.
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Great video! I am myself a software engineer, and hoping to get my private pilot license before the end of the year. I have been wondering if it was feasable to work a non aviation job and still fly recreationally. Youre showing me its possible. Can you describe some of the challenges and benefits of living this lifestyle?
The benefits for me is that I was home more often. I enjoy travelling but I need down time too. I didn't get into flying the Pilatus and Citation much later, and even that I'm doing only about 150 hours per year so I'm not gone much.
Prior to that I'd take my small plane everywhere I travelled and I love it. You get there much quicker (about 1/3rd of the time) and flying is just relaxing to me.
The only large drawback I can think of is the cost of flying. It has skyrocketed in recent years. The cost of maintenance, fuel and hangar space just keeps going up with no end in sight.
I've had many pilots tell me "If you want to enjoy flying, don't do it for a living." and I'm a living testament to that being an accurate quote! I hope that answers your questions!
@@AccidentalAviator thanks for the context! I think I'll continue my training and see where it leads me
@@codyspate Let me know how you progress!
Did u retract the flaps while still rolling out? Why then? Thanks
Yes, quickly after touchdown I retracted the flaps. This reduces the lift the flaps give you and helps keep the plane on the ground easier and be less susceptible to gusts lifting the wing.
Great video! Could you please share your experience about cost of own of turbo arrow and tsio-360? Is it significantly higher then archer with o-360? I have some concerns about cost of own and reliability of tsio-360…
Sure, but you're not really comparing apples to apples. As I'm sure you're aware, the Archer with the O-360 has a fixed pitch propeller and fixed gear, so the cost to own just on those items alone will be significantly cheaper. I owned a Cherokee 180 for about 2 years before I bought this Turbo Arrow. From what I can remember, I didn't put much money into the 180, and I think it burned about 10 gallons per hour (if I'm remembering correctly).
You have to take everything below with a grain of salt though, because my brother is my mechanic, so I'm not paying normal labor rates. Without him, I probably would not own this (and perhaps any) aircraft.
When I bought the Turbo Arrow in 2003, it had a run-out engine that we flew for about 6 months before I overhauled it. At the time I think it was around $20k for the overhaul and I spent another $2-4k in overhauling other items. I think we ran relatively event free for roughly 900 hours (TBO is 1800 on this engine) and then I had a few low compression cylinders, so we decided to top the engine (6 new cylinders). I believe those were roughly $1500-$1700 per at the time, and unfortunately (as we discovered a bunch of years later), we got a bad batch of cylinders and we've since replaced 4 of them I believe. Most of them wound up leaking oil where the barrel meets the head (yes, very bizarre), but it happened. Overhauls now of the TSIO-360 I believe run around $50-60k, but all engines are ridiculous.
At the time of the top overhaul we also sent the prop out to be overhauled, and I've had to do that one other time since. I think these generally run in the neighborhood of $2k.
I've also had to overhaul the gear motor about 4 times (I think) in the 21 years I've owned it. This seems to be a once-every-5-year payment.
Ironically, I've had no problems at all with the turbocharger and the engine. Other than the bad cylinders, it has performed nicely. I believe the bad rap this engine gets was from issues dating back to the 70s, and Continental has since fixed it with beefier crankshafts. That being said, I will not let anyone fly this plane other than myself. You can damage the engine if you don't baby the plane with this turbocharger. it is NOT normalized like most turbo charged engines are. You take off with 41 inches of manifold pressure which amounts to about 3/4 throttle at sea level. The engine will take care of you if you take care of it.
For some more context, this plane will do about 157 knots at 10,000 feet on about 13 gallons per hour. The book says it'll do 177 knots at 20,000 feet, but I've never had it up there.
All of those expenses that I listed above, you wouldn't have in the Cherokee 180 / Archer, so if simplicity is what you're looking for, I'd definitely recommend the Archer. You can't beat the engine or the airframe. They are both pretty bulletproof. If I remember correctly it did about 125 knots on 10 gallons per hour, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong about that.
Thanks a lot for your answer. Of course you can’t compare simple with complex aircraft for cost of ownership, but my curiosity was about how much more it expensive. I found pretty strange that turbos arrows are cheaper on aftermarket then regular arrows or even archers. Again, thanks for your very informative reply and fly safe :)
@@vl_fr Admittedly, I haven't looked in a few years, but the last time I did, Turbo Arrows were in the $120-150k range. That's an awfully expensive ask for an Archer unless it's a lot newer than the Turbo Arrow.
If you buy a Turbo Arrow at the right price expecting to need to overhaul the engine, it's one less surprise you'll have. I've been very happy with mine! There aren't too many planes that can do 157 knots on 13 gallons an hour... although the Mooney with the same engine can do a bit better!
I guess Comanche pretty close to this numbers!
@@vl_fr Ya know, I don't really know, but I would venture to guess maybe that's true. I always loved the way the Comanches looked and I actually looked into them a bit before I bought the Arrow. The only thing I'd worry about with the Comanches is there was a lot less of them made and they don't really make parts for them any longer. So, if it's a plane specific part, you probably have to get it from a junkyard.
With the Arrow, there's tons of PA28's out there, and they are still making parts for it.
Looking to buy a Turbo arrow 4 having flown a normally aspirated arrow 3 for a few hundred hrs. Lots of negative feedback online about the T Tail. What are your feelings about the T Tail?
I've had this plane for over 20 years now and I've flown all kinds of pipers and cessnas. I had the same concerns as you did when I bought this plane (I was also concerned about the Turbo).
As far as the T-Tail goes, I think those comments from people are completely unfounded and I'd venture to guess a lot of people making those comments haven't even flown one. The only thing I notice over the Archer or the Warrior is that it's a heavier plane and flies heavier, but if you've flown an Arrow 3, you're already used to that weight difference.
I find it funny that people will comment about T tails, yet it's perfectly fine for a Pilatus and many other aircraft including the Citation that I also fly.
If you're thinking of buying one, then do it. Don't let the unfounded talk of a T-Tail deter you.
I like the traditional stuff as well. But I have never flown right seat in a Citation either so I have no point of comparison. Currently I am flying an Archer III, a Warrior II, a C172, C182 (maybe right seat in a Citation sometime). Should finish my instrument rating in a couple months.
The new style avionics makes everything safer and it's easier. My personal opinion is that the traditional six-pack makes you a better pilot. Mostly because it's NOT a video game.
You say this plane has been in your possession for 20 years? As far as I can see it's a pretty stock engine management configuration, I wonder if your engine makes it to TBO? Also, still no intentions to retrofit an intercooler (and automatic wastegate)?
Great questions. The only addition I made to the engine was the Merlin Wastegate (right after I bought it). This automatic wastegate keeps the cylinder temperatures way down. As for making it to TBO, that kinda depends on what your definition of that is. I put 6 new cylinders on it about 10 years ago, and I've had to replace a few since then (didn't get the greatest batch), but it's been a great plane and it's been purring along for a while now.
If I had to complain about something, it would be the gear motor. I seem to have to replace that about every 5 years.
@@AccidentalAviator if your cylinders don't make it to factory-declared TBO, that is it - your engine doesn't make it to TBO. But do you understand *why* you have to replace cylinders? Overheat? Did you always fly with engine monitor and did you always follow temperature regimes in all phases of flight and avoided overboosting? If so, I really want to understand why you need cylinder replacement mid-time.
@@alexeygusev698 I installed an engine monitor when I bought the plane, and yes I run it under temperature specs.
When I bought the plane it had a 1900 hour engine (TBO is 1800 on this engine), but it was leaking and burning oil, so we overhauled it.
One thing about this engine is that it's not "turbo normalized." You take off with about 3/4 throttle and 41" of boost. 75% cruise power is roughly 33" and 2400 rpm, so you're always running over atmospheric pressures.
We had a few low-compression cylinders during an annual roughly 10-12 years ago, and I erred on the safer side and decided to top it at the recommendation of my mechanic (and brother).
As of right now, I believe I have around 1400 hours on it and I hardly need to put any oil in it.
You can expect to do a little more maintenance on your engines with a turbo charger. They just naturally work harder.
You can email me at accidentalaviator@gmail.com and I'll answer any other questions you have!
I’ve owned my plane for 33 years and have changed out cylinders despite operating the engine within proper operating parameters (using a full engine monitor) and doing frequent oil changes. My last two cylinders failed for different reasons. One because it failed a compression test and both valves were found leaking and the last cylinder was replaced due to high oil consumption.
There has been a lot of debate whether cylinder component metallurgy has changed over the years since it seems a higher number of cylinders are being replaced. Unfortunately, dealing with mechanical issues come with ownership.
My wife once said to me that it would have been cheaper if I had cocaine habit. 😂
@@Marauder92V Yeah, the cylinders we've replaced have all been from low compression and/or leaking through the barrel seam. It was definitely a weird batch that we got from the top-overhaul.
My brother (an A&P/IA) has said for years that the metal used back pre-80s was way better and I tend to agree with him.
nice crab TY :)
It was a pretty crazy wind.
What is the TBO on that engine?
1800 hours on the TSIO-360FB.
great advice for student pilots to learn on a "six pack" rather than on a Garmin glass cockpit
I'm glad I grew up in that era! I've seen too many pilots not know how to fly the plane when the glass cockpit stuff breaks!
That was quite a bumpy ride, and what a crab angle. Geez.
Thanks for watching!
I love it when I see a GA aircraft without the fancy glass panel. My disgust for them would go so far as I would even stop flying in any GA aircraft that has these aweful full glass TV's instead of the good ol individual round instruments.
I'm very happy that I learned to fly using a six-pack. I think it makes you a safer (and more understanding) pilot. To me, the generations being raised on the glass cockpit look at flying as a video game!
I recently upgraded some of the avionics in my arrow and decided to go with the 2 G5's. A modern(ish) update still retaining the 6-pack identity.
A lot of background noise with ATC. My hearing isn’t its best. Would have liked to hear the whole story
Unfortunately I have to listen to them, but I probably could have it a little lower. If there's something specific you'd like to know, I'd be happy to answer it here or in email (accidentalaviator@gmail.com)
Pilot debrief, probable cause, 74 Gear, skywagon, and now your channel
Thank you for the sub! Pilot debrief is an excellent channel. If you like that type of accident analysis, check out blancolirio too. He's great.
I watch a fair amount of 74 Gear. I'll have to check out skywagon!
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