I will agree that DeWalt has the best batteries, but I wish they made all the battery cases the same as the PowerStack with the rubber base. Makes it feel a lot nicer and protects it a lot better. I also wish DeWalt wasn't so greedy when they launch new batteries. When the 1.7ah PowerStack battery came out, they wanted $170 bucks for it!? Then the 5ah came out at $250? They are crazy! Now though, the price is reasonable, especially on Amazon. I got a 5ah, 1.7ah and the new 4amp charger for $120. That's more like it.
I think that the people who accept promo kits do relevant testing too, but they seem to gloss over the fact it costs as much as a damn M18 HD12.0! My wallet finds that relevant
My biggest take-away from this video is that my next battery purchase should be a 9Ah FlexVolt. I currently only have one 9Ah FlexVolt to run my 60V tool, and sometimes it runs out of juice before I finish a job. I was debating getting a 6Ah as a backup to the 9Ah, but it looks like it's a far better call to get a second 9Ah. As for the 5Ah PowerStack, I simply see no compelling reason to buy it based on this video.
Just like you I assumed they would be smaller. Lipo are awesome but have one huge drawback; they hate being stored at full charge (4.0-4.2V per cell). They however will have 10x lifespan if stored at 3/4 charge/3.8V per cell. A lot of high end electronics will self discharge a battery pack after 24-48 hours to this voltage to preserve the pack overall life. Curious what the initial pack voltage is? And if it self discharges?
The pouch cells used here are still Lithium Ion and not Lithium Polymer. Essentially, the chemistry is similar to that of the 18650 and 21700 cells previously used in battery packs just with a new packaging.
A while back I commented on the fact that Stanley B&D and others were really not into the tool selling business but rather, they were in the battery selling business. This video proves my point.
DeWALT is the brand we have the most different batteries under, and yet is also the brand we get the most comments about batteries we still should have used or bought. It boggles the mind
DeWalt is the only battery brand I've had failures with, and multiple ones at that. I'm still using 2007 era Bosch batteries on a regular basis and they still provide useful work.
you can't advance the sale of your tools without improvements to the batteries. I don't think there was much of a point to be had in any case, these companies want to make $$ and to sell batteries you need to make your tools look impressive....via their power source.
Why only Dewalt Powerstacked?.. Try FLEX stacked lithium batteries...🤔 They DID invent the technology...I would think their's are better... but you never know...
Another great test! My favorite battery packs are based on 21700 cells, since they are better than 18650 cells in every way. And the cells often are replaceable, making the battery easy to repair. Pouch cells tend to be much harder to replace. For future test the inclusion of model number for the cells that each brand uses for different batteries would be nice
@@SomeGuysGarage I think this varies a bit between manufacturers. My 4ah 21700 batteries from Bosch are way smaller than the 4-6ah 18650 battery and delivers way more amps. The 5.5ah 21700 is the same size as the 4-6ah 18650 but delivers wayyy more amps. The nice thing is that everyone can buy the tools that work for them :) I see the benefits of pouch cells, but I don't like that they are really hard to repair
@@masonkaye5 That is true. Pouch cells should also last longer since the cells are rated for more charge cycles. If for some reason a cell should stop working, replacing a pouch cell is almost impossible since the pack is glued. The 21700 cells are easy to swap out.
Excellent content. For me if you want small grab the 1.7 and large just grab the XR 6.0 as for now there is no way the price justifies the 5.0 stack battery and the size that it is.
@@brianingham3780 I have the 899. Does the 9ah Flex make a difference? I don't want a huge battery unless I need it. I've been thinking getting some Flex. I got this Flex Advantage reciprocating saw and I'm probably going to get some Flex batteries in the future.
If it really lasts twice as many charge cycles, then it's a screaming bargain, if you can find the PS on sale. But the problem is, how can anyone verify the claims? Some batteries that make big claims end up dying after a few months, there's just no way to know how long the Power Stack batteries will last in real world charging conditions?
I’ve sworn by the 6AH XR for close to five years now. I have an assortment of different DeWalt batteries, just got a two pack of the 1.7AH Powerstacks this week, but time and time again I find my tools hooked up to the 6AH XR. The length of time the battery lasts under use paired with a modest weight really keeps me coming back.
I love the 6ah battery also for the higher load tools. I have a 8ah and it only really gets used if the 6 is down or I need 2 tools during the same job
in my country 6.0Ah and 5.0Ah PS costs 135$ but 9.0Ah is 20$ more expensive (155$) than both of them, so should I get 9.0 or 6.0? will 5.0 last longer cause its new type of battery? Im leaning towards 9.0 cause its seems to be most powerful even than 15.0Ah
@@IslamsBomb 9.0Ah are heavier than the 6.0Ah XR. Noticeably heavier. I don’t mind using 9.0Ah on tools that require a lot of power pull like a circular saw. If you plan on using it for a screw gun/drill, I’d go with the 6.0Ah. Really depends on what kind of tool you plan on using it with.
I don't get how they justify the price. If they keep going they will wear out the consumer and price out everyone from the market. The battery has become a consumable that DeWalt can make a steady income stream off of. It's like a drug dealer telling you that you can have the first dose for free. Before long they will give away the tool for free as long as you buy the battery.
People are gonna be pissed when these pieces of shit randomly fail in the next couple years. Dewalt knows and it's been apparent in their timid launch of these.
Got to love DeWalt for pushing the boundaries on both tool performance and batteries. You got to know that this makes other companies take notice and will have to step up their game if they want to remain competitive. In the end, the consumer benefits by having better performing tools to pick from. Keep up the GREAT WORK, I believe your videos make a difference forcing the tool companies take notice of where their offering stack up in your tests....
They're not though, just look up "Dewalt battery wont charge". They have a catastrophic quality control problem with their batteries and they refuse to even RMA most of them.
Alright, post viewing takeaways... When I chose the 5PS, I was deciding between it and the 6XR and these results show that I was making the right comparison. That's good news. Because of the reasonable size, I can (and have) replace all of my smaller batteries for my smaller tools with them. But because of the performance, I can feel confident running it in my bigger tools as well although, I am going to keep my 8XR and 10XRs handy for their extended run time over this one. NICE! This is the comparison I was looking for, for a week and taking the leap without seeing it. Like I said, most people saw the number '5" and wanted to compare it to the 5XR and it just kept winning because that is not the right battery for comparison purposes. Now, that ad you showed on Amazon for the 6XR for 91 bones...that guy is still running that ad here in the future. He's at $84 now. And for that price, I was tempted to go with the 6 and just buy four from him. BUT...I am a little gun shy. I got burned recently on ebay, and ended up with two counterfeit 5XRs. So I dug deeper there. Amazon is an authorized DeWalt seller, but everyone who sells on Amazon is not Amazon. That guy is not Amazon. So I jumped in the questions section and asked the direct question. He answered that he is not a DeWalt authorized dealer. Understand, that does NOT mean he is selling fake batteries. His batteries may be right as rain. It just means you do not have the guarantee. Whether you should take the chance or not is up to you, but you should absolutely have this information going in. You can buy a 2 pack of 5XRs directly from Amazon, without that risk. Those go for 196 so...about $14 more per battery. On the flip side, I paid 300 per two pack at Lowes for the 5 PS. Yes, I could have found a better price, but Lowes has a program where they let you pay for your stuff over 90 days (as them about Progressive Leasing), and it doesn't cost much (unless you go over 90 days...on day 91 they ream you, so be careful there). 200 per month for 3 months (I bought two 2 packs) was just easier for me to handle right now, so I did it that way. There...now we all have the benefit of each other's experience, and everyone else has all of the information they could possibly need to make good decisions.
The curve of the flat packs are spiked. Idk 100% what that means, but it can’t be conducive to long term reliability. If anything like rc packs, these will be garbage every 6-8 months
@@kylefowler5082 2years they overdraw and then won’t charge I’ve had 3 go bad and they are probably the 1st Gen as the clips that hold the batt to the tool break… all my other batteries work fine ..
I like how the 6AH 20v performs. I would love to see some testing with the 8AH and 10AH 20v as well. I have used all three of these on impacts and it seems like the 8AH and 10AH can out perform the 6AH. Great videos! Thanks again!
The nice thing about 18650 and other cylindrical cell batteries is that they can be rebuilt and repaired with commodity cells. I'm guessing that won't be the case with the pouches
They have to get the price down on these batteries. When you can buy a brand new name brand leaf blower, or string trimmer for the same price as a battery pack you have a problem.
The PowerStack 5.0ah is bigger than expected. I ordered one from Hm. Dep. & returned it, as the slight increase in power was 'outweighed' by its & cost...
I think they are charging way to much for a single 5ah PowerStack battery Little over 100 bucks for and you can get a 15ah flexvolt battery 240 bucks way to high for a 5ah no matter what battery cell style being used they should be around the price of a Cylindrical cell 5ah maybe a bit more like 20 or 30 bucks more at most @Torque Test Channel
So, basically, I'm going to have to buy about 10 of the 1.7ah powerstack batteries to get the benefit of the stacked cells, smaller footprint, and extra power. I'm ok with that for most drills, impacts, and saws. However, it's clear the larger powerstack has very little benefit for power hungry tools. I think dewalt missed the mark on these.
Have you considered a food vacuum sealer for your volume tests? It won't be perfect, but it might be better than you current methods. The food grade plastic is thicker than a grocery bag, but it doesn't bridge voids _too_ badly in my experience. Just a thought. Keep up the good work.
I think bridging the voids is somewhat the point, as having random cavities in the tool profile don’t really help you get into tighter spaces any better
RIght now, it's 1/4 smaller and lighter, but 1.5-2x the price in singles. The DCBP520-2 ($349) vs the DCB206-2 ($269)....I'll stick with the 6ah packs for now I guess. That extra $80 (on 12/7/22) is noticeable.
You are definitely biased toward DeWalt. Not sure what is so great about a 5AH battery when I have 6AH Ryobi batteries that were far cheaper than DeWalt. I gave up on DeWalt years ago when some of their stuff was cheap junk and they wouldn't do anything about the problems. DeWalt warranties were useless. I have tried them all and was surprised at how bad some name brand tools were, like DeWalt, Bosch, Makita and the rest. Ridgid at least has a "Lifetime" warranty if you are willing to wait a couple months to get a repair or replacement. The tools being sold today are nowhere near the quality or reliability of tools sold 30-40 years ago.
Comparing amp hours does not paint a complete picture of battery performance. Charge/discharge rates and voltage fluctuation play a bigger role in high amperage load performance than the capacity of the battery. Think about the amp hour rating as the volume of a water tank and the discharge rate as the size of the pipe leaving the tank. Having a massive tank with a tiny pipe leaving it is fine for low amp draws like fans or lights but when you need the actual delivered amps it means nothing. This is coming from a Ryobi fanboy btw.
Really a fantastic battery....BUT...the size is indeed a bit of a letdown.That 1.7ah PS battery really is king IMO,when it comes to most applications.Especially the new dewalt ratchets,and the cut off tool.Considering the original 1.7 powerstack can be had for as low as 65 bucks...eye bee gettin me sum.
When DeWalt brings out the new XR 845 Impact Driver test it with the 5amp power stack VS the FLEX Quick EJECT with the 6Amp STACKED LITHIUM I'm going to test the DeWalt DCF 887 And 921 VS the FLEX Quick EJECT with the 6amp STACKED LITHIUM has soon has my 5Amp POWER STACK comes in from OHIO power tools have had it on Order since November 15 guess it pays to know the tool Companys every big tool channel already has there's
I'm curious to see if the Milwaukee cutoff gun has more power than the new Milwaukee m12 belt sander! As you may know folks are making there own m12 belt sander with cheap harbor freight air belt sander parts and mounting said parts on the cutoff gun. P.s love the content. Keep up the great work!
You test multiple batteries like I do weight Difference Videos ON tools with multiple different size batteries cool to see the power stack 5ah is out @Torque Test Channel
@@TorqueTestChannel sony only has 4ah 21700's but there were version with sanyos 20700 :) 30T are beasts and you are lucky to have them! I just built a few 40v xgt packs with 30T's crazy stuff
@@riba2233 Yes, the early ones had 20700's which is why we only purchase 6 and 9's new. I meant that some DeWALT packs in general use Sony's, it's a grab bag sometimes
@@TorqueTestChannel true, they use cells from all 4 major brands. Luckily nothing from eve and other chinese companies like ryobi does now. There are some good ones but you never know
You should test Ryobi's 18 volt cutoff tool as a part two of this test. Also, I would like to add that some tools may have constant velocity compensation that can make the RPM stay constant within the load range rating of the tool. What constant velocity compensation (also known as IR compensation) does is try to keep the motor running at the same RPM under various load conditions. So say for example you have a DC motor that needed to turn at 500 RPM and you needed 12 volts to do that, but it keeps slowing down as you apply more load. Well the way around that is using a controller with velocity feedback by either a sensor or indirect measure of the armature voltage and higher voltage applied to the controller. The controller will increase the voltage as soon as the RPM drops keeping the RPM at a dead steady 500 within limits of course until either current limit is reached or run out of voltage or over heat protection kicks in.
Powerstack proves to be a win again but price is crazy...maybe with time, deals, it'll get cheaper. Side note: epitome is pronounced e-pit-oh-me--minor nitpick but I've never heard someone say epi-tome before LOL.
Im not suprised by size. Flex stack lithium 6 and 10ah are pretty big. Also i feel like not a lot of ppl realize that the 5ah is basically 3 times the capacity of the OG power. 1.7 x 3= 5.1. Is it triple the size or only double or in between?
Kobalt Ultimate Output 24-Volt 8 Amp-Hour been on sale for $99 or $40 off at Lowe's. One of the main reasons I've been buying more Kobalt tools. Economy is a factor these days for some of us.
Not impressed really. I mean sure the PS is giving you maybe an extra 1 volt over round cells, but you’re paying 50% more for the same capacity. Maybe a tradie squeezing those packs hard all day might see the worth of the extra expense, a frequent diy’er probably not. Consider you can get 3 regular 5AHr packs for less than 2 same size Power Stack…that’s 50% more run time on the old packs for the same cost. Power Stack…doesn’t stack up. Maybe if they were less money huh!
PowerStack is good in theory, but in reality anything less than 3amp is not reliable on high-powered tools.. 1.7amp is a gimmick for selling kits, not ideal for tradies or industrial use (depletes way too quick thus making its double lifespan moot). thanks for the excellent bench test and presentation !
Can you guys test the most powerful cordless miter saws? Especially since Flex just dropped that new 12" miter saw and DeWalt (new Flexvolt), Milwaukee, Ryobi, Makita, Hercules, and Bosch all have a cordless 12" saw. I want to know which has the most power. I'm assuming DeWalt due to the 60v Flexvolt version, but I could be wrong.
It would be interesting to see how much age of the battery affects the test results. Would you get the same results after the battery is a few years old?
Can you not afford the Makita xgt 40v 8 amp hour battery for torque testing on the XGT tools? Do you no longer have the xgt tools? I'm willing to mail you the $400 8 amp hour battery if you will do testing please. Getting tired of seeing DeWalt 15 ah, DeWalt power stack ,Milwaukee 12 ah but no Makita 40 volt 8ah battery that's the largest most powerful batt in the game. WHAT GIVES?
Can you do an episode on handheld stun guns/tasers? There can't be any freakin' way they're actually capable of producing 1,000,000V, 5,000,000V, or 20,000,000V as they all advertise on Amazon, right? Would like to know actual figures and reasonable expectations. I have a sneaking suspicion that it's pretty close to the ol' finger in the spark plug wire trick all our dad's got a laugh out of.
I just can't justify the prices. I got a 6ah, 4ah, charger, and brushless angle grinder from Ridgid for $170 on black Friday. Paying $235 for a single 5ah battery? People are nuts.
Since when did pouched cells have a smaller form factor? They're larger. DeWalt is a bit deceptive, imo. They put "9.0ah" or "6.0ah," etc on their 54v battery, even when advertising it as part of a 54v tool kit. They'll add the caveat in the fine print of what that means, but still won't put the 54v amp hour rating.
I'd really like to see overtime how these batteries age. More so whenever it's between a standard charger vs. 'super/ultra' charger. Because up to this point smartphones have been the barometer of gauging that sort of topic. & they've been the first & most refined, yet still are at the mercy of chemistry. Except power tools draw more power & on average even more extreme demands, thus- how would it effectively (let's see some tests.. /wink /knudge) over time taking those additional things into consideration. Overall though, it's awesome to see (ignoring the price). The weight reduction alone makes a huge difference when you don't feel like your wrist is sore as hell just from carrying a battery that may as well be a small dumbbell + vibrations during whatever project/job lol
Hmmm looks like my comment was deleted so let me revise. Today I received a 2 pack of DeWalt Powerstack 5.0Ah batteries I bought from a certain primary color themed brick and mortar store by way of a certain delivery service's website for about half the price it'd have been had I gotten it directly from said brick and mortar. They're legit DeWalt batteries.
I was hoping he would do a displacement test on the compact 3ah battery so that I could see a volumetric comparison of the old generation 18650 based batteries with the newer 21700 counterparts.
Say what you will about bits and pieces of the Dewalt products, there's just something comforting about giving my money to a good old American company!
Is there anyway to swap a 3/8 anvil into a 1/2 anvil in a Dewalt DCF921b? I was given the 921b as a gift but can’t return it even swap as it was part of a holiday bundle. Is there anywhere to buy dewalt anvils? All my sockets are 3/8 and I’d rather not run a reducer all the time.
It's rare for Dewalt to miss the mark on styling. Their tools are probably the best looking power tools on the entire market, their fit and finish and logos are so well thought out. But the grey color on the Power Stack is horrendously ugly. If you're going to pay twice as much, the battery should have oil resistant rubber coating, like the oil resistant 12 volt batteries they make--not grey plastic on a bright yellow tool.
It would be cool if you could zoom in gradually.....oh shit you did I stand corrected. Still an underwhelming visual. If you could make that part of your videos more visually appealing it'd help convey the information and make the channel that much better. keep up the good work
Don't buy a battery from Dewalt. Wait for a sale, which happens frequently, and buy a new Dewalt tool that comes with a free battery. Just bought a new 60v grinder with a 9ah battery for 10 dollars cheaper than buying a single 6ah battery. Larger battery, cheaper price and a free tool. They do this all the time, just pay attention to the ads at home depot, Lowes, and even online.
Dewalt is just confusing and dumb with all their different battery configurations... I'll stick with Milwaukee because their batteries make sense and they build slightly higher quality tools.
I'm ex-Wilfuckyee because they did, I'm now yellow and black because Makita weren't "there" battery-wise IMO but Mr Dewalt can get fokked if he thinks I'll spend that amount on a battery that won't earn me more, speed me up or give some other kind of remarkable gain. HOWEVER, it will keep the competition alive which will definitely work to the advantage of us tradesmen.
2:00 why 'some' people don't want to switch to metric is beyond me. I used water to figure out the size of a molded fibreglass subwoofer cabinet shell I was building around the wheel arches in the trunk using water to get the air volume in litres. Everyone was looking at me like I was Albert Einstein because they couldn't believe how easy it was.
I feel like the tool company's gain just as much from you guys now as we all do. And I really appreciate honest, unbiased testing.
Obviously it's good for dewalt because they have the best battery line but it's not good for the sub par companies cause they get exposed
You can jump start a car or one of those batteries
@@n.b.p.davenport7066 works best with the xr series btw
I will agree that DeWalt has the best batteries, but I wish they made all the battery cases the same as the PowerStack with the rubber base. Makes it feel a lot nicer and protects it a lot better.
I also wish DeWalt wasn't so greedy when they launch new batteries. When the 1.7ah PowerStack battery came out, they wanted $170 bucks for it!? Then the 5ah came out at $250? They are crazy!
Now though, the price is reasonable, especially on Amazon. I got a 5ah, 1.7ah and the new 4amp charger for $120. That's more like it.
I love this channel…the people’s channel
I think that the people who accept promo kits do relevant testing too, but they seem to gloss over the fact it costs as much as a damn M18 HD12.0! My wallet finds that relevant
Judge Wapner would be proud of them!
And project farm
@@TorqueTestChannel Do you know if all dewalt 9ah flex volt come with the Samsung batteries?
I can’t even afford the normal batteries
Wow! This new 5Ah Powerstack really kills it here!
_looks at price_
...But what's another 1/2 pound on top of an 8 pound tool, anyways?
Tool companies are taking customers for a ride. Those batteries in a different case for hobby use would be 1/10 the price.
My biggest take-away from this video is that my next battery purchase should be a 9Ah FlexVolt. I currently only have one 9Ah FlexVolt to run my 60V tool, and sometimes it runs out of juice before I finish a job. I was debating getting a 6Ah as a backup to the 9Ah, but it looks like it's a far better call to get a second 9Ah.
As for the 5Ah PowerStack, I simply see no compelling reason to buy it based on this video.
Yep, I agree. Def not a big upgrade and the cheapest I can find it is $322 for a 2 pack. I got my 2 6ah 20Vs for $160 a few years ago.
Just like you I assumed they would be smaller. Lipo are awesome but have one huge drawback; they hate being stored at full charge (4.0-4.2V per cell). They however will have 10x lifespan if stored at 3/4 charge/3.8V per cell. A lot of high end electronics will self discharge a battery pack after 24-48 hours to this voltage to preserve the pack overall life. Curious what the initial pack voltage is? And if it self discharges?
The pouch cells used here are still Lithium Ion and not Lithium Polymer. Essentially, the chemistry is similar to that of the 18650 and 21700 cells previously used in battery packs just with a new packaging.
They arent LiPos.
A while back I commented on the fact that Stanley B&D and others were really not into the tool selling business but rather, they were in the battery selling business. This video proves my point.
DeWALT is the brand we have the most different batteries under, and yet is also the brand we get the most comments about batteries we still should have used or bought. It boggles the mind
DeWalt is the only battery brand I've had failures with, and multiple ones at that.
I'm still using 2007 era Bosch batteries on a regular basis and they still provide useful work.
you can't advance the sale of your tools without improvements to the batteries. I don't think there was much of a point to be had in any case, these companies want to make $$ and to sell batteries you need to make your tools look impressive....via their power source.
Yea but look at the numbers that dcf900 puts up, I would say that's the tool of all tools
@@jaywelker5566 I stand by my comment. Pretty soon, the use of Stanley B&D products are going to require a subscription, mark my words.
Why only Dewalt Powerstacked?..
Try FLEX stacked lithium batteries...🤔
They DID invent the technology...I would think their's are better... but you never know...
When we have more rigs to test Flex tools we will. For now we dont have a lot of much amp draw Flex tools to test.
These new power stack batteries will require you to have taller stack of $100.00 bills to purchase them.
Another great test!
My favorite battery packs are based on 21700 cells, since they are better than 18650 cells in every way. And the cells often are replaceable, making the battery easy to repair. Pouch cells tend to be much harder to replace.
For future test the inclusion of model number for the cells that each brand uses for different batteries would be nice
I don't like the size of the 21700 cell packs though, they're just bulky dimensionally with that extra width and length.
@@SomeGuysGarage I think this varies a bit between manufacturers. My 4ah 21700 batteries from Bosch are way smaller than the 4-6ah 18650 battery and delivers way more amps. The 5.5ah 21700 is the same size as the 4-6ah 18650 but delivers wayyy more amps.
The nice thing is that everyone can buy the tools that work for them :) I see the benefits of pouch cells, but I don't like that they are really hard to repair
But pouch cells are generally more reliable and because the tabs are soldiered on instead of spot welded on the chance of losing contact is much lower
@@TheJensss specifically with Dewalt...I actually prefer the size of the 5ah 18650 battery over say the newer 3ah or 4ah 21700 batteries.
@@masonkaye5 That is true. Pouch cells should also last longer since the cells are rated for more charge cycles. If for some reason a cell should stop working, replacing a pouch cell is almost impossible since the pack is glued. The 21700 cells are easy to swap out.
My two best youtube channels! You guys are the consumer report of the UA-cam world. Torque Test Channel and Project Farm🙌❤. Keep up the good work.
i agree 100%, one fool from Mumbai India who has Makita 18/40V and dewalt 20V tools lineup
Hopefully just an early adopter tax with a price drop in 2023. Otherwise they should rename it the Moneystack...
Excellent content. For me if you want small grab the 1.7 and large just grab the XR 6.0 as for now there is no way the price justifies the 5.0 stack battery and the size that it is.
I run the 1.7 on my compact tools and the 9ah flex on my 899 and flexvolt tools
@@brianingham3780 I have the 899. Does the 9ah Flex make a difference? I don't want a huge battery unless I need it. I've been thinking getting some Flex. I got this Flex Advantage reciprocating saw and I'm probably going to get some Flex batteries in the future.
If it lasts twice as long and handles load spikes better then it will be very popular among contractors.
If it really lasts twice as many charge cycles, then it's a screaming bargain, if you can find the PS on sale. But the problem is, how can anyone verify the claims? Some batteries that make big claims end up dying after a few months, there's just no way to know how long the Power Stack batteries will last in real world charging conditions?
They have a two pack of 5 AH power stacks for $229 at Lowe’s right now
I’ve sworn by the 6AH XR for close to five years now. I have an assortment of different DeWalt batteries, just got a two pack of the 1.7AH Powerstacks this week, but time and time again I find my tools hooked up to the 6AH XR. The length of time the battery lasts under use paired with a modest weight really keeps me coming back.
I love the 6ah battery also for the higher load tools. I have a 8ah and it only really gets used if the 6 is down or I need 2 tools during the same job
in my country 6.0Ah and 5.0Ah PS costs 135$ but 9.0Ah is 20$ more expensive (155$) than both of them, so should I get 9.0 or 6.0? will 5.0 last longer cause its new type of battery? Im leaning towards 9.0 cause its seems to be most powerful even than 15.0Ah
@@IslamsBomb 9.0Ah are heavier than the 6.0Ah XR. Noticeably heavier. I don’t mind using 9.0Ah on tools that require a lot of power pull like a circular saw. If you plan on using it for a screw gun/drill, I’d go with the 6.0Ah. Really depends on what kind of tool you plan on using it with.
I don't get how they justify the price. If they keep going they will wear out the consumer and price out everyone from the market. The battery has become a consumable that DeWalt can make a steady income stream off of. It's like a drug dealer telling you that you can have the first dose for free. Before long they will give away the tool for free as long as you buy the battery.
People are gonna be pissed when these pieces of shit randomly fail in the next couple years. Dewalt knows and it's been apparent in their timid launch of these.
I LOVE your channel, buy jeesus, you guys are confoosing... Spend a good bit more time on helping me figure out wtf you're talking about..
Got to love DeWalt for pushing the boundaries on both tool performance and batteries. You got to know that this makes other companies take notice and will have to step up their game if they want to remain competitive. In the end, the consumer benefits by having better performing tools to pick from. Keep up the GREAT WORK, I believe your videos make a difference forcing the tool companies take notice of where their offering stack up in your tests....
They're not though, just look up "Dewalt battery wont charge". They have a catastrophic quality control problem with their batteries and they refuse to even RMA most of them.
You can say this for any tool.
Great tests. You can get the 15.0 right now for $250 so $235 for the 5.0 PS is ridiculous.
it might be good but the price is beyond a ripoff
Alright, post viewing takeaways...
When I chose the 5PS, I was deciding between it and the 6XR and these results show that I was making the right comparison.
That's good news. Because of the reasonable size, I can (and have) replace all of my smaller batteries for my smaller tools with them. But because of the performance, I can feel confident running it in my bigger tools as well although, I am going to keep my 8XR and 10XRs handy for their extended run time over this one.
NICE! This is the comparison I was looking for, for a week and taking the leap without seeing it. Like I said, most people saw the number '5" and wanted to compare it to the 5XR and it just kept winning because that is not the right battery for comparison purposes.
Now, that ad you showed on Amazon for the 6XR for 91 bones...that guy is still running that ad here in the future. He's at $84 now. And for that price, I was tempted to go with the 6 and just buy four from him. BUT...I am a little gun shy. I got burned recently on ebay, and ended up with two counterfeit 5XRs. So I dug deeper there.
Amazon is an authorized DeWalt seller, but everyone who sells on Amazon is not Amazon. That guy is not Amazon. So I jumped in the questions section and asked the direct question. He answered that he is not a DeWalt authorized dealer. Understand, that does NOT mean he is selling fake batteries. His batteries may be right as rain. It just means you do not have the guarantee. Whether you should take the chance or not is up to you, but you should absolutely have this information going in.
You can buy a 2 pack of 5XRs directly from Amazon, without that risk. Those go for 196 so...about $14 more per battery. On the flip side, I paid 300 per two pack at Lowes for the 5 PS. Yes, I could have found a better price, but Lowes has a program where they let you pay for your stuff over 90 days (as them about Progressive Leasing), and it doesn't cost much (unless you go over 90 days...on day 91 they ream you, so be careful there). 200 per month for 3 months (I bought two 2 packs) was just easier for me to handle right now, so I did it that way.
There...now we all have the benefit of each other's experience, and everyone else has all of the information they could possibly need to make good decisions.
Wow! I don't know how you do it, but you guys keep bringing awesome content to this channel. Thank you! Where's your tip jar like PF has?
No tip jar, no Patreon, sorry
@@TorqueTestChannel Freakin love you guys!
That's waaaaay too much damn money. I'm not poor either. It's just absurd.
The curve of the flat packs are spiked. Idk 100% what that means, but it can’t be conducive to long term reliability. If anything like rc packs, these will be garbage every 6-8 months
I wonder how about the cyclic life of these high output batteries… as my m12 6ah didn’t last very long ..
How old is your 6ah m12, I've seen on Facebook people saying it's the newer 6ah's with issues
@@kylefowler5082 2years they overdraw and then won’t charge I’ve had 3 go bad and they are probably the 1st Gen as the clips that hold the batt to the tool break… all my other batteries work fine ..
Great job fellas
You guys are putting in the work. I hope your channel continues to grow a bunch.
235 Dollars is a LOT of money is this price range of tool when most people can get by with a Ryobi and 100 dollar two pack of 4amp batteries
I like how the 6AH 20v performs. I would love to see some testing with the 8AH and 10AH 20v as well. I have used all three of these on impacts and it seems like the 8AH and 10AH can out perform the 6AH. Great videos! Thanks again!
The nice thing about 18650 and other cylindrical cell batteries is that they can be rebuilt and repaired with commodity cells. I'm guessing that won't be the case with the pouches
Know anyone that can repair 6.0ah Flexvolt batteries? I have no idea why but they seem to fail more than any other dewalt battery I own.
236 bucks for a 5S 5Ah rc car battery in a dewalt case thats quite a ripoff
comparing lipos and li-ion pouch cells but still..
I don't care what they claim, there's no way it costs that much to make that's way too expensive
Americans: holy f**k a 240$ battery
Me in Canada: normal day here oh BTW have fun with unlisted 15% sales tax
I have four 8ah bats.Wish I knew you needed one for this test.
This flat pack tech is old news!!!! We have been using this “flat pack” tech in rc cars for 10-15 years.
236$ for a a 5s 70$ R/C lipo packaged in a yellow casing.
The price is just unbearable.
They have to get the price down on these batteries. When you can buy a brand new name brand leaf blower, or string trimmer for the same price as a battery pack you have a problem.
The PowerStack 5.0ah is bigger than expected. I ordered one from Hm. Dep. & returned it, as the slight increase in power was 'outweighed' by its & cost...
I think they are charging way to much for a single 5ah PowerStack battery Little over 100 bucks for and you can get a 15ah flexvolt battery 240 bucks way to high for a 5ah no matter what battery cell style being used they should be around the price of a Cylindrical cell 5ah maybe a bit more like 20 or 30 bucks more at most @Torque Test Channel
My frustration is purchased one, bad in 2 days, dead. Had to argue to return. Bat #2 last 7 days!! Keep in mind only charged , set aside to use.
So, basically, I'm going to have to buy about 10 of the 1.7ah powerstack batteries to get the benefit of the stacked cells, smaller footprint, and extra power. I'm ok with that for most drills, impacts, and saws. However, it's clear the larger powerstack has very little benefit for power hungry tools. I think dewalt missed the mark on these.
😂 if only people would just build their own battery packs… I could make dozens of these packs for a fraction of the price y’all are paying for 1.
Thats what I have been thinking, I have been building my own kobalt batteries with a 6ah lipo for a while, they only cost me 100$
Have you considered a food vacuum sealer for your volume tests? It won't be perfect, but it might be better than you current methods. The food grade plastic is thicker than a grocery bag, but it doesn't bridge voids _too_ badly in my experience. Just a thought. Keep up the good work.
I think bridging the voids is somewhat the point, as having random cavities in the tool profile don’t really help you get into tighter spaces any better
Yeah, seeing bubbles when they dipped the DCB205 XR made me squeamish. Maybe they removed the internals first?
It's not epitome, it's epitome. Clears it right up, right? 🌻
RIght now, it's 1/4 smaller and lighter, but 1.5-2x the price in singles. The DCBP520-2 ($349) vs the DCB206-2 ($269)....I'll stick with the 6ah packs for now I guess. That extra $80 (on 12/7/22) is noticeable.
It's cool, but for the price I'd rather have almost the same performance and twice the capacity that I'd get from two of the 6ah's.
When that 5AH power stack was dunked into water I could think obe thing. Man this guy has some cachuggas.
LOL !!! No Shit
You are definitely biased toward DeWalt. Not sure what is so great about a 5AH battery when I have 6AH Ryobi batteries that were far cheaper than DeWalt. I gave up on DeWalt years ago when some of their stuff was cheap junk and they wouldn't do anything about the problems. DeWalt warranties were useless. I have tried them all and was surprised at how bad some name brand tools were, like DeWalt, Bosch, Makita and the rest. Ridgid at least has a "Lifetime" warranty if you are willing to wait a couple months to get a repair or replacement. The tools being sold today are nowhere near the quality or reliability of tools sold 30-40 years ago.
Comparing amp hours does not paint a complete picture of battery performance. Charge/discharge rates and voltage fluctuation play a bigger role in high amperage load performance than the capacity of the battery.
Think about the amp hour rating as the volume of a water tank and the discharge rate as the size of the pipe leaving the tank. Having a massive tank with a tiny pipe leaving it is fine for low amp draws like fans or lights but when you need the actual delivered amps it means nothing. This is coming from a Ryobi fanboy btw.
Really a fantastic battery....BUT...the size is indeed a bit of a letdown.That 1.7ah PS battery really is king IMO,when it comes to most applications.Especially the new dewalt ratchets,and the cut off tool.Considering the original 1.7 powerstack can be had for as low as 65 bucks...eye bee gettin me sum.
I think you guys should start testing actual battery capacity. Are the 5ah batteries ACTUALLY 5 ah?
When DeWalt brings out the new XR 845 Impact Driver test it with the 5amp power stack VS the FLEX Quick EJECT with the 6Amp STACKED LITHIUM I'm going to test the DeWalt DCF 887 And 921 VS the FLEX Quick EJECT with the 6amp STACKED LITHIUM has soon has my 5Amp POWER STACK comes in from OHIO power tools have had it on Order since November 15 guess it pays to know the tool Companys every big tool channel already has there's
Putting it in water, surprised you didn't shorted the battery
You guys should test kobalt tools with the 8ah xr battery
not worth the money. Dunno what DeWalt was thinking... If they lower the price to match current batteries it would sell. These won't.
They last twice as long
Excited to see this but I can't understand why they didn't shift the bulk backwards.
Tools stand up easier
@@TorqueTestChannel Can it not stand up on the 5ah?
Depends on the tool. A high torque is iffy
I wanna see that dcf900 hit 1000 so bad
I'm curious to see if the Milwaukee cutoff gun has more power than the new Milwaukee m12 belt sander! As you may know folks are making there own m12 belt sander with cheap harbor freight air belt sander parts and mounting said parts on the cutoff gun.
P.s love the content. Keep up the great work!
You test multiple batteries like I do weight Difference Videos ON tools with multiple different size batteries cool to see the power stack 5ah is out @Torque Test Channel
I'm waiting for the flexvolt powerstack
awesome tests as usuall! Btw they don't always use 30T's, I have seen some using LG H30 which are just slightly worse.
True, and Sony as well. Ours had 30T's luckily inside
@@TorqueTestChannel sony only has 4ah 21700's but there were version with sanyos 20700 :)
30T are beasts and you are lucky to have them! I just built a few 40v xgt packs with 30T's crazy stuff
@@riba2233 Yes, the early ones had 20700's which is why we only purchase 6 and 9's new. I meant that some DeWALT packs in general use Sony's, it's a grab bag sometimes
@@TorqueTestChannel true, they use cells from all 4 major brands. Luckily nothing from eve and other chinese companies like ryobi does now. There are some good ones but you never know
You should test Ryobi's 18 volt cutoff tool as a part two of this test. Also, I would like to add that some tools may have constant velocity compensation that can make the RPM stay constant within the load range rating of the tool. What constant velocity compensation (also known as IR compensation) does is try to keep the motor running at the same RPM under various load conditions. So say for example you have a DC motor that needed to turn at 500 RPM and you needed 12 volts to do that, but it keeps slowing down as you apply more load. Well the way around that is using a controller with velocity feedback by either a sensor or indirect measure of the armature voltage and higher voltage applied to the controller. The controller will increase the voltage as soon as the RPM drops keeping the RPM at a dead steady 500 within limits of course until either current limit is reached or run out of voltage or over heat protection kicks in.
They can keep that shit for that price
Wow at how massive the 5ah PowerStack is vs the 1.7ah PowerStack interesting @Torque Test Channel
Not to many other channels put in the work that this channel does!!!!!!
Powerstack proves to be a win again but price is crazy...maybe with time, deals, it'll get cheaper. Side note: epitome is pronounced e-pit-oh-me--minor nitpick but I've never heard someone say epi-tome before LOL.
Epih-toe-me…. Æpį-tœ-mē
What about the Flex power stack ?
Im not suprised by size. Flex stack lithium 6 and 10ah are pretty big. Also i feel like not a lot of ppl realize that the 5ah is basically 3 times the capacity of the OG power. 1.7 x 3= 5.1. Is it triple the size or only double or in between?
Kobalt Ultimate Output 24-Volt 8 Amp-Hour been on sale for $99 or $40 off at Lowe's. One of the main reasons I've been buying more Kobalt tools. Economy is a factor these days for some of us.
Or your like me and buy Adapter for your RIDGID and MILWAUKEE power tools and run a KoBalt battery and gain lots of Power Cheap
do a run time test you ll be blown away I saw like double the screws on one battery compared to a regular new 5ah
I’m a pass I’m a keep using the 5 reg
crazy, I bought the battery 1,5 month ago in the Netherlands for 140 euro's, about 150 dollar. The 5 AH goes for 100 dollars ish
Not impressed really. I mean sure the PS is giving you maybe an extra 1 volt over round cells, but you’re paying 50% more for the same capacity. Maybe a tradie squeezing those packs hard all day might see the worth of the extra expense, a frequent diy’er probably not. Consider you can get 3 regular 5AHr packs for less than 2 same size Power Stack…that’s 50% more run time on the old packs for the same cost. Power Stack…doesn’t stack up. Maybe if they were less money huh!
Just. A. Little. Switch. On. FlexVolt. To. Choose. 20V. Or. 60V. If. Needed. Would. Be. A. Game. Changer.
Just. Sayin.
Wow impressive that the 5ah PowerStack was a few foot pounds lower then the 15ah that I wasn't expecting @Torque Test Channel
Great comparison, not worth the crazy price though. The 5ah 18650 based XR is still best bang for buck imho.
PowerStack is good in theory, but in reality anything less than 3amp is not reliable on high-powered tools..
1.7amp is a gimmick for selling kits, not ideal for tradies or industrial use (depletes way too quick thus making its double lifespan moot).
thanks for the excellent bench test and presentation !
Can you guys test the most powerful cordless miter saws? Especially since Flex just dropped that new 12" miter saw and DeWalt (new Flexvolt), Milwaukee, Ryobi, Makita, Hercules, and Bosch all have a cordless 12" saw. I want to know which has the most power.
I'm assuming DeWalt due to the 60v Flexvolt version, but I could be wrong.
How does the 8AH battery fit in on the voltage sag chart??
It would be interesting to see how much age of the battery affects the test results. Would you get the same results after the battery is a few years old?
Can you not afford the Makita xgt 40v 8 amp hour battery for torque testing on the XGT tools? Do you no longer have the xgt tools? I'm willing to mail you the $400 8 amp hour battery if you will do testing please. Getting tired of seeing DeWalt 15 ah, DeWalt power stack ,Milwaukee 12 ah but no Makita 40 volt 8ah battery that's the largest most powerful batt in the game. WHAT GIVES?
Can you do an episode on handheld stun guns/tasers? There can't be any freakin' way they're actually capable of producing 1,000,000V, 5,000,000V, or 20,000,000V as they all advertise on Amazon, right? Would like to know actual figures and reasonable expectations. I have a sneaking suspicion that it's pretty close to the ol' finger in the spark plug wire trick all our dad's got a laugh out of.
Nope. That price is extremely offensive.
I just can't justify the prices. I got a 6ah, 4ah, charger, and brushless angle grinder from Ridgid for $170 on black Friday. Paying $235 for a single 5ah battery? People are nuts.
Since when did pouched cells have a smaller form factor? They're larger.
DeWalt is a bit deceptive, imo. They put "9.0ah" or "6.0ah," etc on their 54v battery, even when advertising it as part of a 54v tool kit. They'll add the caveat in the fine print of what that means, but still won't put the 54v amp hour rating.
I'd really like to see overtime how these batteries age. More so whenever it's between a standard charger vs. 'super/ultra' charger. Because up to this point smartphones have been the barometer of gauging that sort of topic. & they've been the first & most refined, yet still are at the mercy of chemistry. Except power tools draw more power & on average even more extreme demands, thus- how would it effectively (let's see some tests.. /wink /knudge) over time taking those additional things into consideration.
Overall though, it's awesome to see (ignoring the price). The weight reduction alone makes a huge difference when you don't feel like your wrist is sore as hell just from carrying a battery that may as well be a small dumbbell + vibrations during whatever project/job lol
Hmmm looks like my comment was deleted so let me revise. Today I received a 2 pack of DeWalt Powerstack 5.0Ah batteries I bought from a certain primary color themed brick and mortar store by way of a certain delivery service's website for about half the price it'd have been had I gotten it directly from said brick and mortar. They're legit DeWalt batteries.
I was hoping he would do a displacement test on the compact 3ah battery so that I could see a volumetric comparison of the old generation 18650 based batteries with the newer 21700 counterparts.
Say what you will about bits and pieces of the Dewalt products, there's just something comforting about giving my money to a good old American company!
Is there anyway to swap a 3/8 anvil into a 1/2 anvil in a Dewalt DCF921b? I was given the 921b as a gift but can’t return it even swap as it was part of a holiday bundle.
Is there anywhere to buy dewalt anvils? All my sockets are 3/8 and I’d rather not run a reducer all the time.
It's rare for Dewalt to miss the mark on styling. Their tools are probably the best looking power tools on the entire market, their fit and finish and logos are so well thought out. But the grey color on the Power Stack is horrendously ugly. If you're going to pay twice as much, the battery should have oil resistant rubber coating, like the oil resistant 12 volt batteries they make--not grey plastic on a bright yellow tool.
At this price hardly impressive. I wonder how safe those are. Reckon not really considering pouch cells are a nightmare safety wise.
Sounds like the 6Ah's are beasts and if you get two for the price of one 5Ah PS, they're worth it!!
It would be cool if you could zoom in gradually.....oh shit you did I stand corrected. Still an underwhelming visual. If you could make that part of your videos more visually appealing it'd help convey the information and make the channel that much better. keep up the good work
Anyone knows the reason why the 6Ah XR battery is not available in the UK nor Europe? Only the Flexvolt 6Ah, 9Ah, 12Ah and 15Ah but not the 6Ah XR
Don't buy a battery from Dewalt. Wait for a sale, which happens frequently, and buy a new Dewalt tool that comes with a free battery. Just bought a new 60v grinder with a 9ah battery for 10 dollars cheaper than buying a single 6ah battery. Larger battery, cheaper price and a free tool. They do this all the time, just pay attention to the ads at home depot, Lowes, and even online.
Dewalt is just confusing and dumb with all their different battery configurations... I'll stick with Milwaukee because their batteries make sense and they build slightly higher quality tools.
Circa 10AH powerstack flexvolt battery next, coupled with a flexvolt 3/4" impact wrench? I have zero use for it but it would be so cool to see.
I'm ex-Wilfuckyee because they did, I'm now yellow and black because Makita weren't "there" battery-wise IMO but Mr Dewalt can get fokked if he thinks I'll spend that amount on a battery that won't earn me more, speed me up or give some other kind of remarkable gain. HOWEVER, it will keep the competition alive which will definitely work to the advantage of us tradesmen.
While impressive black Friday got me 4 of the 6.0Ah Xr packs for 300 bucks, so 4 for 300 or 2 for almost 400 not worth it yet in my opinion.
I'd like to se similar test with the Flex tool line - they also have standard and stacked Lithium versions.
2:00 why 'some' people don't want to switch to metric is beyond me. I used water to figure out the size of a molded fibreglass subwoofer cabinet shell I was building around the wheel arches in the trunk using water to get the air volume in litres. Everyone was looking at me like I was Albert Einstein because they couldn't believe how easy it was.