This is a reupload lol Downloaded it because i could, didnt know the video would get privated song: zako/zaako singer: kaai yuki (sad i know) original by hiiragi MV by channelcaststation
ok guys stop pointing at my pfp reminder, if the creator of this video wants i can delete it this video is just for preservation (and for those who want to listen to it for some reason i guess?)
I'm not gonna reply in japanese. I'm sure you are and can understand the lyrics pretty well and that you have eyes. s&x is implied in this. she's a child.
I don't speak Japanese so I apologize if UA-cam translation misconstrues some things, I'll try to explain the best I can This song was created using a voicebank which was created using the voice of a 9 year old girl. So all the vocals you hear in this song are using the voice of a child. That isn't the issue on its own, this voicebank has been around for a while, the problem is that the lyrics are highly suggestive. Do you see how that's a problem?? Making the voice of a 4th grader say suggestive things? Furthermore, the character itself is also a child. Some vocaloids like Miku and Luka can be different ages depending on the context. For example in dreaming chu chu Luka is likely in high school, but in other songs she is depicted more maturely. Miku is usually depicted as her standard design, appearing as a teenager or young adult, but she has also been depicted as an old woman. This character is not like that, her voice is a child and her character is also a child, unlike other vocaloids that cannot be changed, she is 9 years old and that is set in stone. Finally, this is all against the licensing agreement of her voice bank. When someone purchases a voicebank they have to sign a licensing agreement (this usually just means they can't distribute it or resell it, as well as other terms and conditions). One of the conditions of this characters voice is that it strictly cannot be used for suggestive content. So this creator has directly defied the agreement they signed. This song went viral because of these issues, and the creator took the original upload down and said they would remake it, now recognizing how disgusting it was to use a 9 year olds voice in such a way.
What I would like foreign people to understand is that there is a discrepancy between the terms of use of “Kaai Yuki” in Japan and overseas. In Japan, it is prohibited to sing, publish or distribute lyrics that are offensive to public order and morals. In the case of this song, it is our opinion that there are no direct, sexually explicit lyrics, and therefore, there is no violation of the terms of use. On the other hand, the overseas terms of use prohibit the use of the song for purposes offensive to public order and morals, including sexual definitions, and we can confirm that there is a slight discrepancy with the Japanese terms. Also, the Japanese language is very difficult to understand, and the mistranslation of the lyrics may have created a bad image. We apologize for that. However, what we want you to understand is that there is no problem “under Japanese law” and that the majority of us only love two-dimensional loli (such as mesugaki) and are not interested in three-dimensional kindergarten girls or loli to the point of not even looking at them, let alone having a crush on them. They are only interested in two-dimensional girls.
Some of us here in the Western world doesnt understand that this stuff doesn't translate over to reality exactly how you explained it, its purely fictional
yes, however nowadays fictional really affects our reality of how we act, we talk, and our surroundings. It means that they’re becoming too comfortable on their own safe place and SOME people are really comfortable and think its fine to do it with a child. honestly i dont care, liking a child even if its 2 Dimensional is still weird
Honestly, after scrolling down for much of the comment section of the English Vocaloid Community what seems to me is that this song has instigated a politics like state within the audiences of this song. One side defends and another attacks with little to no understanding of each other. Based on this, and from reading the comments saying that they didn’t even know there were innuendos or whatnot in the lyrics, the lyrics seem to be highly ambiguous and treading the line between sexual innuendo and a teasing joke, and it is unfortunate that these are are closely tied together and along with the factors of personal interpretation, lack of understanding of the Japanese language and poor translation, it has caused many of the western audience to believe this is an outrageous sexual innuendo song using the voice of a 9 year old. i feel like the problem resides with the audience if the audience "gets" the innuendo for something that might as well isn't even an innuendo and just poorly interpreted. For myself I didn't even get that the fish were supposed to be a indirect reference to a male's secret part. The fire that truly pushed this controversy was the Mikukauwa song which introduced the Western audience to the Mesugaki trope and with the recency of its posting, caused a massive bandwagon of blowing things out of proportion and assumptions/misinterpretation What I find funny here is that let’s say Hiragii really did intend to use the voice of a nine year old VOCALOID (people tend to refer to the voice of Kaai Yuki as the voice of a nine year old when discussing this topic to others, causing immediate shock and disgust without emphasizing the fact that she is at the end of the day, a vocaloid) for a sexual song, why would this have even been posted? It is the fact that the intentions of the author were for not the song to be a huge sexual innuendo and thus posted. Only reason I really see as to why he privated the song was due to the westerners crying and screaming and holding pitchforks, as he would most likely have stated that the removal of the song was due to violation of TOS that forced him to remove the song, and a violation of TOS would mean the end for him. The end for him means he should not be given the lenience or room to “remake” and edit the song. He’s only doing this to cater to you guys and to prevent things from blowing up Moving onto the westerners I find it funny that we cry and scream and point fingers at the first sight of something we don’t like. Remember that Hiragii is Japanese and thus the songs he creates are Japanese, thus catering to the Japanese Audience. not you. Not me. We aren’t the target audience and it is well known about the difference in morals, perspectives and ethics between the Japanese and Westerners. What’s happening is that we are enforcing and pushing what seems right to us onto a song that wasn’t even targeted at us. How sick is that? And death threats? Allegations of him being a pedophile? Really? Are westerners just a bunch of Twitter apes? The difference in ethics and morals between the two communities is vast and should be respected. Why is it that we can’t understand that and we seem to believe that we are the only people listening to vocaloid songs? Oh, for Christ’s sake, it’s almost as if the song is in Japanese and intended for Japanese audiences. This is like the frog in the well type of thing, and we're the frog inside a deep, deep, narrow well. Until Hiragii posts further notice about his actual intentions of the song, or if he states the song really did end up violating the TOS, which means big trouble for him, nothing is concrete, and any threats and accusations are built on a platform made of misinterpretation and assumptions. Sorry to you foreigners. Your culture is great and should be respected. 正直に言うと、英語のボカロコミュニティのコメントセクションをずっとスクロールしていると、この曲が聴衆の中に政治的な状態を引き起こしているように思えます。一方は擁護し、もう一方はお互いをほとんど理解せずに攻撃しています。このことに基づいて、コメントを読むと、歌詞に含まれる暗示やその他の要素を知らなかったという意見があり、歌詞は非常に曖昧で、性的な暗示とからかいのジョークの境界を歩いているようです。これらが密接に結びついていること、個人的な解釈の要因、日本語の理解不足、翻訳の不十分さが重なり、多くの西洋の聴衆がこの曲を9歳の声を使った非常識な性的暗示の曲だと信じる原因となっています。私は、聴衆が「理解する」ことで問題が生じていると感じます。聴衆が暗示を理解する場合、それはむしろ暗示ではなく、単に誤解されたものかもしれません。私自身、魚が男性の秘密の部分への間接的な参照であることにすら気づきませんでした。 この論争を本当に引き起こした火種は、ミクカワの曲であり、西洋の聴衆にメスガキのトロープを紹介し、その投稿の最近性が原因で、物事を大げさにし、仮定や誤解を生む大規模なバンドワゴンを引き起こしました。 ここで面白いと思うのは、仮にヒラギが本当に9歳のVOCALOIDの声（このトピックを他の人と話すときに、カアイ・ユキの声を9歳の声と呼ぶ人が多く、彼女が結局はボカロであるという事実を強調せずに即座にショックや嫌悪感を引き起こす）を性をテーマにした曲に使おうとしたとしたら、なぜそれが投稿されたのかということです。作者の意図がその曲を大きな性的な暗示にするためではなかったという事実が重要です。彼がその曲を非公開にした理由は、西洋の人々が泣き叫び、鋤を持って押しかけたからだとしか思えません。彼はおそらく、曲の削除がTOS違反によるものであり、それが彼にとっての終わりを意味することを述べたでしょう。彼にとっての終わりは、曲を「再制作」したり編集したりする余地を与えられないことを意味します。彼はただ、皆さんに合わせて事態が大きくなるのを防ぐためにこれを行っているのです。 西洋の人々についても、私たちが嫌いなものを見た瞬間に泣き叫び、指を指すのが面白いと思います。ヒラギが日本人であることを忘れないでください。彼が作る曲は日本のものであり、日本の観客に向けて作られています。私たちではありません。私たちはターゲットオーディエンスではなく、日本人と西洋人の間には道徳、視点、倫理の違いがあることはよく知られています。 何が起こっているかというと、私たちは自分たちにとって正しいと思われることを、私たちを対象にしていない曲に押し付けているのです。それはどれほどひどいことでしょうか？そして、死の脅迫？彼が小児性愛者だという告発？本当に？西洋人はただのツイッターの猿の集まりなのでしょうか？ 二つのコミュニティの間の倫理と道徳の違いは広大であり、尊重されるべきです。なぜ私たちはそれを理解できず、ボカロの曲を聴いているのは自分たちだけだと信じているのでしょうか？ああ、なんてこった、まるでその曲が日本語で、日本の聴衆を対象にしているかのようです。これは井の中の蛙のようなもので、私たちは深く狭い井戸の中の蛙なのです。 平木が曲の実際の意図についてさらなる通知を投稿するまで、あるいは彼がその曲が本当にTOSに違反したと述べるまで、彼にとって大きな問題を意味するそれは、何も具体的なものではなく、脅迫や告発は誤解と仮定に基づいたプラットフォームの上に築かれています。外国の皆さん、ごめんなさい。あなたの文化は素晴らしく、尊重されるべきです。
This isn’t a cultural war. It’s very simple. A child’s voice is being used for a lewd/suggestive song. Regardless of your culture or race, you should see why people would be upset and why it’s immoral to make this. If you have a problem with moral arguments, I suggest you go to CBT therapy and learn some empathy.
@ People who can only understand lyrics with the translation function and do not have a proper understanding of Japanese culture should not give their opinions about Japanese songs lol
@ Of course, the lyrics and the music video can be combined to make the message more relevant, but it is only effective if the lyrics are properly understood.
@SolaRedux dude, you are just to blind and wrong, that is about culture, for example here on my country, is normal and healthy for REAL children to sing explicitly sexual content on a daily basis, and lots of children have already made a living with it becoming famous. I see all of that stuff as people crying for some very very very pitiful and trivial matter. If you don't belive me just search, the name of my country is Brasil.
Я вроде как и понимаю, почему эту песню так ненавидят люди с запада. И я даже немного согласна с их мнением, но мне кажется, что не надо забывать что этот контент делался японцами для японцев, и западные люди, как бы сильно противно им это ни было, не должны лезть к азиатам. Это, пожалуй, всё, я не знаю что ещё сказать...
Japanese individuals normalize pedophilia!!! Even other Japanese individuals have a problem with it. Do not make this a normal practice! It should be shamed and shunned upon!
how is this song not considered pedophilia in Japan? genuine question, since it's using the voice of an actual 9 year old It seems like you guys are misinterpreting my reply, I don't have an opinion on the song (except for the fact that it rubs me in the wrong way personally) and just want to know the japanese speakers perspective on the song あなた方は私の返事を誤解しているようだ。 私は個人的にこの曲について意見を持っているわけではなく、この曲に対する日本人の視点を知りたいだけなのです
*I am using a translator. What I want to say may not be conveyed well. To those who criticize "Zaako by Hiiragi magnetite and channel". As a Japanese, I would like to express my opinion on this criticism. (To those foreigners who are not criticizing this song. You are my friends, so to speak, who can enjoy this song with Japanese people. Let's wait and hope for a remake of this song together.) First of all, I must emphasize that all definitions of "hentai" and other words used in this song are based on Japanese culture. The word "hentai" in Japanese means "a person whose sexual taste or behavior is out of the ordinary" and has a different meaning compared to the meaning of "erotic content" as it is defined in English. I suspect that there are so many foreigners who do not understand this difference. If you do not understand this difference, please understand it now. Also, it is safe to say that Japanese people listening to this song are unlikely to make the point that "pedophilia is implied" about this song. While there is indeed such a thing as "Lolicon (the psychology of seeking girls and young women as objects of sexual love)" in Japanese two-dimensional culture, a person who falls under this category is not a “Lolicon” in the three-dimensional world. There is no connection between people who actually molest or kidnap children and those who are said to be “Lolicon” in the two-dimensional world. Hiiragi's aim is to create the song inspired by content that is acceptable in Japan, such as being teased by younger girls in two dimensions, and have listeners listen to it a lot. The important point here is that it is "in two dimensions.” Japanese people who are pedophiles seek sexual love for 2-dimensional children (i.e., illustrations of little girls), and in no way do they harbor sexual love for the 3-dimensional person who voiced the illustration just because a voice is added to it (as in anime). In other words, the people you should be criticizing are not the people who wrote this song and video, nor the people who listen to or watch it, but the people who actually molest or kidnap children, as mentioned before. To those of you who are criticizing this song, please understand that Japanese people make a distinction between two-dimensional and three-dimensional people, and that a "Lolicon" does not have sexual feelings toward three-dimensional people. And you, people who are judging this song as such on your own and criticizing it without understanding the meaning of the lyrics, are asking, "What are you imagining? You’re super creepy.”or "you have a low level of understanding. Zaako.” Japanese people do not fully understand foreign cultures. So, if you have any matters that you think "Japanese, our culture is like this, you should understand it", please let me know.
@ @lukelune7473 일본은 치안이 좋아서 실제적인 사고가 외국보단 덜 일어나는건 알고 있음? 한국에는 이런 속담이 있는데, '똥 묻은 개가 벼 묻은 개 나무란다.' 이 속담은 일본어로는 '目糞鼻糞を笑う', 영어로는 'The pot calls the kettle black.' 일본 문화에 뭐라하기 전에 니 나라나 돌아보고 오셈.
Foreigners will always complain when there's fiction with lolis or shotas If you don't like it just don't listen to it, ok? Is that really so hard? So what if it's getting popular? You CAN choose to not listen to it that there is that: done.
So if i see a child getting gr00med, i should just ignore it because i don't like it, right? The voice provider is 9. Nine. What are you gonna say next? That the child voicing this character doesn't exist?
@@raincandy1653but it's not dumb.. if we were to translate to non japanese.. imagine an idol or smth singing a song but she has the voice of child. That sh** is so gross bro. I don't understand the argument that it's "not made for westerns" bc then why were there English subtitles, it's intended for other people outside of Japanese culture to also see it. Why be confused if we have different values and we get mad?
If age of the person who provided voice for vocaloid matters, I'll better not see any of you complaining, when someone releases Miku/Rin/Kaf etc. song with suggestive lyrics
They are just synthesized voices. Age doesn't matter. You just need to match a voice that fits the song. There is nothing wrong with the song or the Vocaloid itself.
Fun fact: Yuki has two sides: Tamed Yuki and Disgusting Yuki as directly shown in the video. Here's the time stamps (the important ones are the direct of comparison between the two sides) Tamed Yuki is shown to be new to this kind of "thing" here is the list: 0:41 She is shock 0:44 She mad? 0:53 She fishes normally (Important) (Confused, Curious?, Disgusted) 1:12 She seem to taunt you in a way that's annoying? (Important) (Confused, Curious?, Disgusted) 1:18 Another set of emotions to that topic (Neutral, Not sure, Fun :) (important) 1:23 She Skeptical/"uhhhh?" (VERY IMPORTANT) 1:38 Hentai. (She mad oh no.) Disgusting Yuki is shown to be into this kind of "thing" here is the list: 2:06 Just maybe? Im not sure, if she's shock then she shock. 2:11 She not fish normal, you SEE THIS? (even taunts at the camera smh) (Important) 2:17 Haha mimicking famous animation go brrr (Lagtrain, Kyu kurarin, Alien Alien?, Override, The famous all known slickback hair girl, Wind Kaai Yuki) off topic ik 2:29 Notice how she's fine with that kind of stuff right? (Acceptance, smirky bitch, "cmon its fine man...") (Important) 2:37 Another set of emotion (again) (Just accept it, i know you want it up your choice really, it will be fineee~~ trust me :3 ) (important) 2:41 She disgusting/dirty minded (VERY IMPORTANT) 2:44 - 2:49 She says its fine to this unknown boy friend thingy, what? 2:51 Disgust emotion (Smirk blush?, bwehhhh :P, KYAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *while blushes*) 2:54 [CENSORED] [CENSORED] [CENSORED] 2:56 And that perv thoughts tops it all. 3:03 Kuuuyashiii with eyes that makes me puke 3:25 Hentai. (She sus oh shit.)
Hell yeah a tcoaal fan/pos Anyway thanks for reuploading this, genuinely wild they animated this knowing the voice bank was made from a real kids voice
I heard some ppl say that the English lyrics were mistranslated and if so, oml rip that person who did the translation they accidentally started a fandom war 😭😭
That's a 9 year old child singing a sexual song? Of course us overseas people will complain. (And the fact that her voice bank provider was a CHILD when she recorded her voice)
@ionknow_vro At least in Japan it is not illegal, and your argument is nothing but a cultural takeover and imposition. For all the talk about political correctness and diversity, it's a very intolerant and disrespectful behavior (lol).
@@Galaksileydisi Are you reading the story of this video correctly? This is a story about Yuki, a high school student (because she wears a school uniform) who can't be honest with the person she loves. Make sure you have a correct understanding of Japanese culture before commenting. You are stupid.
@@The_Wosh I don't think that is the intention. This is because the Japanese word “雑魚” has two meanings: “you are a noob” and “a small, worthless fish.”
i should NOT have opened this comments section. holy crap. look everyone 1) there is no good being done by spreading negativity 2) both sides of the argument are barely arguing, moreso spouting nonsense in anger 3) if you would like to have a proper discussion/debate, if you actually care, you need to not be outrageously cruel/offensive to others, you need to not throw around words like child p0rn, l0licon, and exploitation without context or reason, and without understanding the meaning and weight of those words, and you need to think about what you say. if you believe this song is harmful, and you would like to explain yourself properly, please understand that by putting yourself out on the internet, you open up to debate, and you cannot be upset that you are debated. the same goes for the other side. my personal opinion on this matter is irrelevant, i just believe that instead of doing our best to harm eachother online in "justified outrage", we need to properly discuss and debate in order to get anything done. more harm will come from senseless attacks than openly talking about the actual issues. edit: why do i even try with you people
Thing is that what I heard is that Kaai Yuki's TOS doesn't actually allow anyone to make explicit songs that involves anything sexual since the VP behind the VOCALOID was 9 years old at the time and even though that VP is an adult now, there's still an actual child voice behind it
the only problem with this song is the choice of voicebank. really nothing else matters. i hope kagamine rin gets chosen to be the voice of the remake, or theyll just make the lyrics more appropriate
not really, Hiiragi's choice of another character would probably have been as controversial as Rabbit Hole. People just used her age as an excuse to attack him.
Thank you for upload this! I couldn't watch this song on the original user's channel. I want that more people accept this song and this disturbance subsides.
This song and many others is a perfect example of how people would listen to song with foreign language in blissful ignorance of the lyrics as-long if its “good”
What Japanese people think about this song 1. God The melody and lyrics are divine. It suits Kawai Yuki's voice. It's cute. 2. Why was it deleted? It's strange that such a divine song would be deleted within a day of causing a stir. 3. Why are people making a fuss about age? Kawai Yuki's voice is divine. Isn't that enough? *I think there are people with different opinions, but most people feel this way. I am Japanese, so I understand that. Personal thoughts If this song contains sexual elements and is a problem, then what about other songs? There are plenty of crazy songs out there. Also, listen to Lag Train. It's divine. Listen to it.
bro… the scene when they measure the “fishes” length and then showed how kaai yuki is only 10 apples tall….. there’s so many innuendos litered around the mv… how the “zako(small fish)” is potrayed like a phagus doesn’t help either
@@The_Wosh apple is her signature, and the mv itself contains a lotta parody memes so i would take it as comical expression instead of sit back and calculating number of apples. no need to take that scene seriously, i mean theres truckload of other stuffs that you guys can begin criticizing with
la gente chilla mucho, incluso los mismos japoneses se quejan del mercado extranjero, simplemente el niño que tratan de defender no existe en ningun lugar del mundo y es solo un banco de voz mas.
Unpopular opinion. I know a lot of people are saying to just change the voice, but I honestly love how Yuki sounds with the instrumental, it scratches my brain just right. Just god, PLEASE, change the lyrics. No matter how good it sounds I'm not vibin with an eternal 9 year old saying "hentai"
@JapanNipponNihon the actual voicebank is voiced by a kid, they couldve used any other voice bank to make the song. it's against the vb's rules and also just weird. also its still weird to make songs like this about a high schooler
@cindersnowsMORE I just read all the English lyrics, but holy moly that's horrible. There should've been a more better translation. Well, the Japanese lyrics don't break the vb's rules tho
I think the only problem with this song is that it has SOME sexual elements to it, like comparing "fish" size and bed creaking sounds on the background while the main singer is.. a 9 year old.... also, some of the lyrics and visuals are really just weird for a middle-schooler to sing and do
The reason I think Japanese and Foreigners don't agree is because of translation. I'm quite sure they used machine translation... So the situation is more like teasing, not provocation mesugaki lolibait. Where the girls says "noob" its more like "coward boii can't catch mee" like in a more friendlier way. The girl says "pervert" but it's more like "ik what you thinkin', you pervert😂...❣️" I mean again in a more friendlier way.
because the song is lolibait + it makes it worse because kaai yuki is an elementary schooler and her voice provider was a child which was what made the song problematic btw !!!! edit : and its illegal to use kaai yuki for SUGGESTIVE songs if you read her rules
There shouldn't even be 9 year olds contributing to voice banks. That's the issue here. It's not that the song is suggestive. The song was clearly inspired by "L*li God Requiem". If the composer used Hatsune Miku instead, no one would care.
Hate to tell you, but Requiem is also a l0li song, and the exact same category as this song. It’s a category of l0li material where they fantasize abt being mocked for their s3xual interest by the girl, and it’s something people “enjoy” ( disgusting, I know ). Also, it is against the vocaloid’s TOS to do anything suggestive with the voice bank. Not only is this disgusting l0li content, but they use a real child’s voice for it. That’s why people are so disturbed by it. ( no hate, just trying to explain it )
Ok, first off, your claim that "there shouldn't even be 9 year olds contributing to voice banks" is completely moronic. Vocaloids are synths, musical tools. There aren't people who "should" or "shouldn't" be contributing to voice banks, especially since more voices = more options for a song. Second, the song is INCREDIBLY suggestive. Even if the lyrics like "Now you're blushing, what are you imagining? Ew, that's so gross~" weren't obvious enough, the video also has clearly auggeative elements such as the small fish and swordfish. Third, you're right, if the artist used Miku then people wouldn't care as much. Do you know why? MIKU ISN'T VOICED BY A CHILD. However, Kaai Yuki is a child. Her voice is from a child. Using the child character voiced by a child in a suggestive manner is wrong.
"The song was clearly inspired by Loli god Requiem" is totally subjective- from your thought, driven by some tiny little knowledge right? bet you cant even name 2010s vocaloid songs by yuki, cuz youve never been there
ok guys stop pointing at my pfp
reminder, if the creator of this video wants i can delete it
this video is just for preservation (and for those who want to listen to it for some reason i guess?)
Are ppl hating on your pfp? TCOAAL is peak
you should watch monster high its peak
So you changed pfp just a moment ago.
Are we deaduzz💔💔@@raincandy1653
@@aya.yama8853 yes, it was to stop people from saying like "of course a tcoaal pfp uploaded this" or "your pfp explains it all"
これが燃えて+♂︎が平和なんおもろい
時代だな
100% agree, like who gives a shit? She isn't even real.
オマーン湖を聴け
今はデPとかまだ子さんとか活動出来ないだろうな
ああ、それは本当だ
歌愛ユキの元となった声優が文句言うなら分かるけど、関係ない人がこの曲について文句を言うべきではない。
@@Osiborinotatakiage 公式がお叱りをする事態は手遅れだって事に早く気づいてくれ
ラインギリギリのチキンレースしたら本当に表現に規制が掛かりかねないから
批判が辛いのは十分に理解するしポリコレ糞食らえだけど、削除は悪手だなと
なんにせよ、大衆化の弊害だよこれが
年齢の話は置いといてさ曲とMV最高じゃね？今までのボカロの名シーン入ってるの良すぎる
I'm not gonna reply in japanese.
I'm sure you are and can understand the lyrics pretty well and that you have eyes.
s&x is implied in this. she's a child.
there are a lot of different vocaloids that they could've used and they used kaai yuki
海外みなさんに言っときたいんですが、
「変態」という日本の漢字二文字の言葉は
貴方がたが認識している『HENTAI』という言葉よりも、多くの意味を持つ言葉です
イコールになりません
少なくともこれを性的に捉えて批判しているヤツらはそういうことを意識している「変態さん」って事なんだよなぁ。普通にこの曲いいと思うのに、勝手なこじつけで燃やさないで欲しいなぁ。
分からせ前提のメスガキが腰揺らしながら「pervert」を使って性的じゃないって無理あるよ
むしろそれはマグネタイトの意思を無視する侮辱だよ
性的なのは認めた上で正当性を主張するべき
@@fruit_juice100per
そう性癖は恥ずかしい物では無い
ゲイもレズも言ってしまえば性癖だ
作者は引き下がらないでほしかった
「そういうこと」を連想されることを意図した演出だからそれを理由にこじつけと断ずるのは無理がある
誹謗中傷は肯定できないが国や地域の差異（文化的•社会的な差異）を背景に意見が割れるのは当然
またそれぞれの認識にも齟齬があるため泥沼化している印象
そんな問題になるほど性的な表現ないと思うんだけど、生意気でかわいいセリフとユキの有名な曲のオマージュのシーンしかないじゃん
正直なところ、この曲が炎上した理由が全く分からない。
有識者、炎上賛成者、” このコメントの返信欄に限って ” お話ししようぜ。
普通に自分の認識と世間の認識にどの程度の乖離があるか知りたい。
どのへんの違いなんだろうか
まずこの曲に性的表現があるかどうかからか？
@@fruit_juice100perYes there is lol
I don't speak Japanese so I apologize if UA-cam translation misconstrues some things, I'll try to explain the best I can
This song was created using a voicebank which was created using the voice of a 9 year old girl. So all the vocals you hear in this song are using the voice of a child.
That isn't the issue on its own, this voicebank has been around for a while, the problem is that the lyrics are highly suggestive. Do you see how that's a problem?? Making the voice of a 4th grader say suggestive things?
Furthermore, the character itself is also a child. Some vocaloids like Miku and Luka can be different ages depending on the context. For example in dreaming chu chu Luka is likely in high school, but in other songs she is depicted more maturely. Miku is usually depicted as her standard design, appearing as a teenager or young adult, but she has also been depicted as an old woman. This character is not like that, her voice is a child and her character is also a child, unlike other vocaloids that cannot be changed, she is 9 years old and that is set in stone.
Finally, this is all against the licensing agreement of her voice bank. When someone purchases a voicebank they have to sign a licensing agreement (this usually just means they can't distribute it or resell it, as well as other terms and conditions). One of the conditions of this characters voice is that it strictly cannot be used for suggestive content. So this creator has directly defied the agreement they signed.
This song went viral because of these issues, and the creator took the original upload down and said they would remake it, now recognizing how disgusting it was to use a 9 year olds voice in such a way.
犯罪率の多い国の人(外国人)に言われても、って思うわ
性的な要素があるとするなら、他の曲はどうなんだって思うし
歌詞の捉え方で内容は変わるんだし
@@fruit_juice100perそもそも性的表現ないよね。隠喩というかするシーンはあれど。
ガチでこの曲を批判すればするほど「何想像してんの超キモいんだけど」って感じがするよな
再生されるほどに海外勢は煽りたてられ、ヘイトはそして認知度の向上に貢献していく…
永久機関が完成しちまったなァ！？
「日本はヨーロッパではない」とだけ言っておこう。
ここを含むSNSは日本とは言えないけどな
〈追記〉
価値観の異なる集団が同じ空間にいれば自ずと問題は起こるのは自然なこと
@@黒騎士モード 問題が起こるのは分かるけどね…
誹謗中傷をしてる時点で問題じゃなくて犯罪だからなぁ
Pedos do exist in Europe
ええ、あなたたちはあそこの子供たちを性的に扱うのがあまりにも快適すぎます
ロリ神はよく炎上しなかったよな...
結局の所、声を提供しただけで声の形をした楽器なんだから別にそこまで熱くならなくて良くない？そもそも日本向けだし。滅茶苦茶性的な言葉だとかを連呼してる訳でもないし。声を過去に提供した今の本人が問題ないなら尚更。
普通にかわいい曲だと思うけど、なんで悪い方に捉えちゃう人ばっかなんだ
鎖国しろぉー！鎖国だぁー！
理解されないなら鎖国だぁー！
でも一つだけ鎖国は可愛そうだしアニメも漫画も和食も全部だぁー！
外国人の意見も十分分かるけど、あくまで"日本"であって外国とは全く違う。例えばカートゥーンアニメで下品とか教育に悪いとか批判されたらどう思う？あくまでこの曲も"フィクション"であってあまり批判してほしくない。
What I would like foreign people to understand is that there is a discrepancy between the terms of use of “Kaai Yuki” in Japan and overseas.
In Japan, it is prohibited to sing, publish or distribute lyrics that are offensive to public order and morals. In the case of this song, it is our opinion that there are no direct, sexually explicit lyrics, and therefore, there is no violation of the terms of use.
On the other hand, the overseas terms of use prohibit the use of the song for purposes offensive to public order and morals, including sexual definitions, and we can confirm that there is a slight discrepancy with the Japanese terms.
Also, the Japanese language is very difficult to understand, and the mistranslation of the lyrics may have created a bad image. We apologize for that.
However, what we want you to understand is that there is no problem “under Japanese law” and that the majority of us only love two-dimensional loli (such as mesugaki) and are not interested in three-dimensional kindergarten girls or loli to the point of not even looking at them, let alone having a crush on them. They are only interested in two-dimensional girls.
全て言語化してくれたありがとう
彼らは二次元の女の子にしか興味がないってのが凄く心に刺さるけどその通りだ
Some of us here in the Western world doesnt understand that this stuff doesn't translate over to reality exactly how you explained it, its purely fictional
@@K3Vz0そういうやつは無理に認めないでいいから帰ってください
yes, however nowadays fictional really affects our reality of how we act, we talk, and our surroundings. It means that they’re becoming too comfortable on their own safe place and SOME people are really comfortable and think its fine to do it with a child. honestly i dont care, liking a child even if its 2 Dimensional is still weird
利用規約を盾にしてるけど結局の所、嫌悪感から来るただの感情論だよね？
欧米人は２次元と３次元の区別つかないのかな？
柊マグネタイト和CAST(channel)在昨天就宣布要製作重製版
但就算重新製作並被大眾接受
那也不是創作者最初想傳達的東西了
我喜歡的是不單是作品 我喜歡的是創作者的想法以及選用的藝術表現
而不是創作者經過自我審查過並和群眾裡的特定意識形態妥協過後的結果......
このコメ欄は文字通り多様性に富んでいてとても面白い
Honestly, after scrolling down for much of the comment section of the English Vocaloid Community what seems to me is that this song has instigated a politics like state within the audiences of this song. One side defends and another attacks with little to no understanding of each other. Based on this, and from reading the comments saying that they didn’t even know there were innuendos or whatnot in the lyrics, the lyrics seem to be highly ambiguous and treading the line between sexual innuendo and a teasing joke, and it is unfortunate that these are are closely tied together and along with the factors of personal interpretation, lack of understanding of the Japanese language and poor translation, it has caused many of the western audience to believe this is an outrageous sexual innuendo song using the voice of a 9 year old. i feel like the problem resides with the audience if the audience "gets" the innuendo for something that might as well isn't even an innuendo and just poorly interpreted. For myself I didn't even get that the fish were supposed to be a indirect reference to a male's secret part.
The fire that truly pushed this controversy was the Mikukauwa song which introduced the Western audience to the Mesugaki trope and with the recency of its posting, caused a massive bandwagon of blowing things out of proportion and assumptions/misinterpretation
What I find funny here is that let’s say Hiragii really did intend to use the voice of a nine year old VOCALOID (people tend to refer to the voice of Kaai Yuki as the voice of a nine year old when discussing this topic to others, causing immediate shock and disgust without emphasizing the fact that she is at the end of the day, a vocaloid) for a sexual song, why would this have even been posted? It is the fact that the intentions of the author were for not the song to be a huge sexual innuendo and thus posted. Only reason I really see as to why he privated the song was due to the westerners crying and screaming and holding pitchforks, as he would most likely have stated that the removal of the song was due to violation of TOS that forced him to remove the song, and a violation of TOS would mean the end for him. The end for him means he should not be given the lenience or room to “remake” and edit the song. He’s only doing this to cater to you guys and to prevent things from blowing up
Moving onto the westerners I find it funny that we cry and scream and point fingers at the first sight of something we don’t like. Remember that Hiragii is Japanese and thus the songs he creates are Japanese, thus catering to the Japanese Audience. not you. Not me. We aren’t the target audience and it is well known about the difference in morals, perspectives and ethics between the Japanese and Westerners.
What’s happening is that we are enforcing and pushing what seems right to us onto a song that wasn’t even targeted at us. How sick is that? And death threats? Allegations of him being a pedophile? Really? Are westerners just a bunch of Twitter apes?
The difference in ethics and morals between the two communities is vast and should be respected. Why is it that we can’t understand that and we seem to believe that we are the only people listening to vocaloid songs? Oh, for Christ’s sake, it’s almost as if the song is in Japanese and intended for Japanese audiences. This is like the frog in the well type of thing, and we're the frog inside a deep, deep, narrow well.
Until Hiragii posts further notice about his actual intentions of the song, or if he states the song really did end up violating the TOS, which means big trouble for him, nothing is concrete, and any threats and accusations are built on a platform made of misinterpretation and assumptions. Sorry to you foreigners. Your culture is great and should be respected.
正直に言うと、英語のボカロコミュニティのコメントセクションをずっとスクロールしていると、この曲が聴衆の中に政治的な状態を引き起こしているように思えます。一方は擁護し、もう一方はお互いをほとんど理解せずに攻撃しています。このことに基づいて、コメントを読むと、歌詞に含まれる暗示やその他の要素を知らなかったという意見があり、歌詞は非常に曖昧で、性的な暗示とからかいのジョークの境界を歩いているようです。これらが密接に結びついていること、個人的な解釈の要因、日本語の理解不足、翻訳の不十分さが重なり、多くの西洋の聴衆がこの曲を9歳の声を使った非常識な性的暗示の曲だと信じる原因となっています。私は、聴衆が「理解する」ことで問題が生じていると感じます。聴衆が暗示を理解する場合、それはむしろ暗示ではなく、単に誤解されたものかもしれません。私自身、魚が男性の秘密の部分への間接的な参照であることにすら気づきませんでした。
この論争を本当に引き起こした火種は、ミクカワの曲であり、西洋の聴衆にメスガキのトロープを紹介し、その投稿の最近性が原因で、物事を大げさにし、仮定や誤解を生む大規模なバンドワゴンを引き起こしました。
ここで面白いと思うのは、仮にヒラギが本当に9歳のVOCALOIDの声（このトピックを他の人と話すときに、カアイ・ユキの声を9歳の声と呼ぶ人が多く、彼女が結局はボカロであるという事実を強調せずに即座にショックや嫌悪感を引き起こす）を性をテーマにした曲に使おうとしたとしたら、なぜそれが投稿されたのかということです。作者の意図がその曲を大きな性的な暗示にするためではなかったという事実が重要です。彼がその曲を非公開にした理由は、西洋の人々が泣き叫び、鋤を持って押しかけたからだとしか思えません。彼はおそらく、曲の削除がTOS違反によるものであり、それが彼にとっての終わりを意味することを述べたでしょう。彼にとっての終わりは、曲を「再制作」したり編集したりする余地を与えられないことを意味します。彼はただ、皆さんに合わせて事態が大きくなるのを防ぐためにこれを行っているのです。
西洋の人々についても、私たちが嫌いなものを見た瞬間に泣き叫び、指を指すのが面白いと思います。ヒラギが日本人であることを忘れないでください。彼が作る曲は日本のものであり、日本の観客に向けて作られています。私たちではありません。私たちはターゲットオーディエンスではなく、日本人と西洋人の間には道徳、視点、倫理の違いがあることはよく知られています。
何が起こっているかというと、私たちは自分たちにとって正しいと思われることを、私たちを対象にしていない曲に押し付けているのです。それはどれほどひどいことでしょうか？そして、死の脅迫？彼が小児性愛者だという告発？本当に？西洋人はただのツイッターの猿の集まりなのでしょうか？
二つのコミュニティの間の倫理と道徳の違いは広大であり、尊重されるべきです。なぜ私たちはそれを理解できず、ボカロの曲を聴いているのは自分たちだけだと信じているのでしょうか？ああ、なんてこった、まるでその曲が日本語で、日本の聴衆を対象にしているかのようです。これは井の中の蛙のようなもので、私たちは深く狭い井戸の中の蛙なのです。
平木が曲の実際の意図についてさらなる通知を投稿するまで、あるいは彼がその曲が本当にTOSに違反したと述べるまで、彼にとって大きな問題を意味するそれは、何も具体的なものではなく、脅迫や告発は誤解と仮定に基づいたプラットフォームの上に築かれています。外国の皆さん、ごめんなさい。あなたの文化は素晴らしく、尊重されるべきです。
This isn’t a cultural war. It’s very simple. A child’s voice is being used for a lewd/suggestive song. Regardless of your culture or race, you should see why people would be upset and why it’s immoral to make this. If you have a problem with moral arguments, I suggest you go to CBT therapy and learn some empathy.
@ People who can only understand lyrics with the translation function and do not have a proper understanding of Japanese culture should not give their opinions about Japanese songs lol
@@warotadddddddddddddddddd and y'know that the MV can make us understand more than the lyrics itself, right?
@ Of course, the lyrics and the music video can be combined to make the message more relevant, but it is only effective if the lyrics are properly understood.
@SolaRedux dude, you are just to blind and wrong, that is about culture, for example here on my country, is normal and healthy for REAL children to sing explicitly sexual content on a daily basis, and lots of children have already made a living with it becoming famous. I see all of that stuff as people crying for some very very very pitiful and trivial matter. If you don't belive me just search, the name of my country is Brasil.
鎖国だ鎖国
理解できないどころか拒否されるなら日本だけでいい
そうだよ(便乗)
Я вроде как и понимаю, почему эту песню так ненавидят люди с запада. И я даже немного согласна с их мнением, но мне кажется, что не надо забывать что этот контент делался японцами для японцев, и западные люди, как бы сильно противно им это ни было, не должны лезть к азиатам. Это, пожалуй, всё, я не знаю что ещё сказать...
Japanese individuals normalize pedophilia!!! Even other Japanese individuals have a problem with it. Do not make this a normal practice! It should be shamed and shunned upon!
その通りです。1つ言うとしたら日本はヨーロッパではないということです。
If you don't understand Japanese, don't criticize this song.
日本語が分からない人はこの曲を批判するな。
Shut up
It’s a girl. Little girl. The voice bank is provided by a LITTLE GIRL
@@chocometal So what?
how is this song not considered pedophilia in Japan? genuine question, since it's using the voice of an actual 9 year old
It seems like you guys are misinterpreting my reply, I don't have an opinion on the song (except for the fact that it rubs me in the wrong way personally) and just want to know the japanese speakers perspective on the song
あなた方は私の返事を誤解しているようだ。 私は個人的にこの曲について意見を持っているわけではなく、この曲に対する日本人の視点を知りたいだけなのです
@@mitsu.m4a ohhh you little hypocrite, why won't you go and tell muslims they're practically pdfs, hmm?
*I am using a translator. What I want to say may not be conveyed well.
To those who criticize "Zaako by Hiiragi magnetite and channel".
As a Japanese, I would like to express my opinion on this criticism.
(To those foreigners who are not criticizing this song. You are my friends, so to speak, who can enjoy this song with Japanese people. Let's wait and hope for a remake of this song together.)
First of all, I must emphasize that all definitions of "hentai" and other words used in this song are based on Japanese culture. The word "hentai" in Japanese means "a person whose sexual taste or behavior is out of the ordinary" and has a different meaning compared to the meaning of "erotic content" as it is defined in English. I suspect that there are so many foreigners who do not understand this difference. If you do not understand this difference, please understand it now.
Also, it is safe to say that Japanese people listening to this song are unlikely to make the point that "pedophilia is implied" about this song. While there is indeed such a thing as "Lolicon (the psychology of seeking girls and young women as objects of sexual love)" in Japanese two-dimensional culture, a person who falls under this category is not a “Lolicon” in the three-dimensional world. There is no connection between people who actually molest or kidnap children and those who are said to be “Lolicon” in the two-dimensional world.
Hiiragi's aim is to create the song inspired by content that is acceptable in Japan, such as being teased by younger girls in two dimensions, and have listeners listen to it a lot. The important point here is that it is "in two dimensions.” Japanese people who are pedophiles seek sexual love for 2-dimensional children (i.e., illustrations of little girls), and in no way do they harbor sexual love for the 3-dimensional person who voiced the illustration just because a voice is added to it (as in anime). In other words, the people you should be criticizing are not the people who wrote this song and video, nor the people who listen to or watch it, but the people who actually molest or kidnap children, as mentioned before.
To those of you who are criticizing this song, please understand that Japanese people make a distinction between two-dimensional and three-dimensional people, and that a "Lolicon" does not have sexual feelings toward three-dimensional people.
And you, people who are judging this song as such on your own and criticizing it without understanding the meaning of the lyrics, are asking, "What are you imagining? You’re super creepy.”or "you have a low level of understanding. Zaako.”
Japanese people do not fully understand foreign cultures. So, if you have any matters that you think "Japanese, our culture is like this, you should understand it", please let me know.
同志よ、よく言ってくれた
Agree
Yap
이미 녹음해서 카아이유키라는 캐릭터가 생긴 순간 본래 성우랑은 별개의 캐릭터인거고
2D상에서만 존재하는 가상의 캐릭터인건데 왜 이거에 대고 소아성애니 뭐니 지랄하는지 이해가 안가네
Sexualizing a child is wrong, no matter if it's fictional or not
@lukelune7473 二次元と三次元を混同してしまうのですか？🤣
興奮を抑えられなくなってしまうんですか？🤣
@ @lukelune7473 일본은 치안이 좋아서 실제적인 사고가 외국보단 덜 일어나는건 알고 있음? 한국에는 이런 속담이 있는데, '똥 묻은 개가 벼 묻은 개 나무란다.' 이 속담은 일본어로는 '目糞鼻糞を笑う', 영어로는 'The pot calls the kettle black.'
일본 문화에 뭐라하기 전에 니 나라나 돌아보고 오셈.
@lukelune7473 If that is the case, why don't you say about Rabbit Hole sung by Miku? She is 16 yrs old girl.
그 캐릭터가 9살이잖음.. 그리고 이 영상에 나오는 애도 일러레가 15살이라고 못박아놨고
多分反対したのはポリコレ達だろうね、あの人達は曲の良し悪しではんだんしないんだよ、気に入らないのを理由付けて反対するんだよ
ポリコレって多様性を受け入れようって意識のことを指すから違うやろ。
向こうの白人マジョリティが批判してるに過ぎない
何故外人の為に動画を消す必要があるの？
Foreigners will always complain when there's fiction with lolis or shotas
If you don't like it just don't listen to it, ok? Is that really so hard? So what if it's getting popular? You CAN choose to not listen to it that there is that: done.
So if i see a child getting gr00med, i should just ignore it because i don't like it, right? The voice provider is 9. Nine. What are you gonna say next? That the child voicing this character doesn't exist?
@@Ilikecherries05separate fiction.
Can you explain? i don't see the loli
@@Ilikecherries05She was 9... In 2009
It's weird
オタク同士なら国も言語も超えて楽しめる世界が広がってるのにいつも外から楽園を壊したい奴らが来てしまう
小児性愛者ではなかったからww
What is this supposed to mean? ( I have no idea what is happening right now)
@@ReiisinInababasically is saying that people who are mad that Kaai Yuki (voiced by a 9 year old girl) singing a suggestive song is dumb ;-;
@raincandy1653 ohh thanks for explaining!
@@raincandy1653but it's not dumb.. if we were to translate to non japanese.. imagine an idol or smth singing a song but she has the voice of child. That sh** is so gross bro. I don't understand the argument that it's "not made for westerns" bc then why were there English subtitles, it's intended for other people outside of Japanese culture to also see it. Why be confused if we have different values and we get mad?
0:57 Mesmerizer star mentioned 🎉🎉
A que costo w
@ thanks Alice
@@TheKasaneTetopor que cosa? Aksjsl
If age of the person who provided voice for vocaloid matters, I'll better not see any of you complaining, when someone releases Miku/Rin/Kaf etc. song with suggestive lyrics
Because none of those voices were a 9 year old.
@revolutionarymagic3459 yep, so no complaining
They are just synthesized voices. Age doesn't matter. You just need to match a voice that fits the song. There is nothing wrong with the song or the Vocaloid itself.
@@Koko-u7b2g Kaai Yuki is voiced by a child who couldn't consent to her voice being used for vocaloid because she was 9
@@Koko-u7b2gExcept in Kaai Yuki's terms of services, it explicitly states to not use her for such purposes under Japanese law.
めっちゃ可愛いし良い曲なのに何で炎上するんだよ…
結局は海外と日本の価値観はそれぞれですで済むことかもしれない。
Zit je nu pedofielen te beschermen als " kultuur verschil"
@achikin4466現実世界の誰にも被害がないのに何を言ってるんだ？
絵と現実の違いすら分からなくなったか
確かにそれで済みそう
@@Iscream7274 the voicebank is voiced by a real Child.its against kaai yukis tos to use her for nsfw for a reason
@achikin4466 だがその子供いまは世界のどこでも存在しない
i liked all the references to other vocaloid songs at 2:16 (yes i know about the drama i just thought that was cool)
I recognized Lagtrain, Kyu Kurarin, and Kyoufuu, what were the other two references 😭😭
@@itznekochan the other is Alien Alien and that one Pokemon X Vocaloid song that had Plusle as the theme (it had Teto as the singer)
@@itznekochan alien alien & override
なんでこれが大丈夫でロリ神が許されたんだ...
Fun fact: Yuki has two sides: Tamed Yuki and Disgusting Yuki as directly shown in the video.
Here's the time stamps
(the important ones are the direct of comparison between the two sides)
Tamed Yuki is shown to be new to this kind of "thing" here is the list:
0:41 She is shock
0:44 She mad?
0:53 She fishes normally (Important) (Confused, Curious?, Disgusted)
1:12 She seem to taunt you in a way that's annoying? (Important) (Confused, Curious?, Disgusted)
1:18 Another set of emotions to that topic (Neutral, Not sure, Fun :) (important)
1:23 She Skeptical/"uhhhh?" (VERY IMPORTANT)
1:38 Hentai. (She mad oh no.)
Disgusting Yuki is shown to be into this kind of "thing" here is the list:
2:06 Just maybe? Im not sure, if she's shock then she shock.
2:11 She not fish normal, you SEE THIS? (even taunts at the camera smh) (Important)
2:17 Haha mimicking famous animation go brrr (Lagtrain, Kyu kurarin, Alien Alien?, Override, The famous all known slickback hair girl, Wind Kaai Yuki) off topic ik
2:29 Notice how she's fine with that kind of stuff right? (Acceptance, smirky bitch, "cmon its fine man...") (Important)
2:37 Another set of emotion (again) (Just accept it, i know you want it up your choice really, it will be fineee~~ trust me :3 ) (important)
2:41 She disgusting/dirty minded (VERY IMPORTANT)
2:44 - 2:49 She says its fine to this unknown boy friend thingy, what?
2:51 Disgust emotion (Smirk blush?, bwehhhh :P, KYAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *while blushes*)
2:54 [CENSORED] [CENSORED] [CENSORED]
2:56 And that perv thoughts tops it all.
3:03 Kuuuyashiii with eyes that makes me puke
3:25 Hentai. (She sus oh shit.)
うんわかった、英語のライセンスと日本語のライセンスが違うことと、この曲の英語の翻訳が日本語より直接的な表現なせいだね。
そもそもなぜ日本の曲に英語のライセンスを適用させて考えるのかよくわからない。。
他の国との価値観の違いか…
この曲好きだったんだけどなぁ…
被炎上的理由完全莫名其妙 搞不懂這首歌到底做錯了什麼
最難過的是身為粉絲沒辦法守護自己喜歡的創作者QAQ
I'm a zako.
Only because I can't protecet my favorite creater form hater's toxic shit at all :(
在美国，说一声你支持这个歌会让你被其他人臭打一顿。很难和其他人说道理。
アジア内でも価値観が異なるが欧米と比べればそれは小さいもの
歌內容本來不會起太大問題
以前的作品還有更糟糕的題材
問題出在他們用來製作的Vocaloid是以真實九歲小孩配音組成的
用來唱有擦邊意味的歌不妥
不過他們有要重新製作了
歐美這些人問題有夠多
@@moshusdead4287 我能理解 但我同時也覺得莫名其妙 到底有誰會特地去找中之人的年齡 而且現在她也成年了
如果順著這個邏輯，請現役3 40歲並具備蘿莉聲線的配音員負責的話就能過關了嗎?
我是想像不到這個舉例可以通關的畫面 可見這件事並不是違反某個特定界線的問題
I like it when tourists force their guidelines on others
I like it when foreigners call out pdophilia
dont u love when pdf defends weird shit by calling others tourist? you're a tourist pdf don't use the voice of a 9 year old for your weird sht
Tourists?? Bro?? 😭
Hell yeah a tcoaal fan/pos
Anyway thanks for reuploading this, genuinely wild they animated this knowing the voice bank was made from a real kids voice
“Hell yeah an incest game fan!!” Take a fucking shower jesus christ
日本と海外の文化の違い。
Most of them are just total queers with no aesthetic tastes that love the chance to be part of some morally indignant lynch mob.
@@prydain4131 lets get you back to bed grandpa
そうっすね。。アメリカ人の方々はなんとなくそんな単な事わかんないみたい。正直に言えば、なぜって不思議ですね
The voice provider was a child
Yes. We don't actually think like pedophiles like all of you. And the people we are complaining about this horrendous shit are not only american.
I heard some ppl say that the English lyrics were mistranslated and if so, oml rip that person who did the translation they accidentally started a fandom war 😭😭
They probably used google translate lol
Bro there is 0 mistranslation, the innuendos in the title, and music video, give enough proof
我不懂這有什麼問題
“ざぁこ”和類似的詞在日文就只是殺傷力不大的髒字 只是在現下的有關文化賦予了這樣那樣的意義 雌小鬼原本指的也只是那種調皮搗蛋的小女孩
如果柊マグネタイト在裡面加了太過激 露骨的內容就算了 但歌詞最多只能說是有責罵的語氣 很多日本網友也說到了海內外的使用條例不盡相同 既然如此就應該以歌曲創作者的國籍去評判 有些海外ニキ在不了解日文語境差異下又因國內風氣有認知差異的問題
至於用ユキちゃん 既然歌詞沒有問題 那我也無法理解為什麼會對此感到兒少性ㄨㄟˇㄒㄧㄝˋ（怕被和諧）也沒有那個必要 或者不成立條件下架
說真的 如果歌曲真的有問題 YT的演算法早就會攔截了 再說 難道以前真的沒有半首ユキちゃん的歌出現過類似問題嗎 只是因為柊マグネタイト紅了一首テトリス就攻擊他?
隔了半顆地球 價值觀和社會風氣一定有不同 曲子到底有沒有性暗示或其他過度內容每個人也都有解讀的權利 我的觀點也一定有某種程度上的偏頗 但我聽到這一件事第一個直覺就是反應過度 而我也認為我的直覺沒有客觀問題
PV很可愛 不論最後下不下架 不管大家最後到底偏向甚麼結論 希望事情有一個好的結束(或者讓聲源本人來判定)
この曲に対して批判するならそもそも聞かなければよくない？聞きたい人だけが聞けばよくない？って思っちゃう。
批判してる海外勢は深く考えすぎや
That's a 9 year old child singing a sexual song? Of course us overseas people will complain.
(And the fact that her voice bank provider was a CHILD when she recorded her voice)
まあこれに対して
「何？雑魚って暴言吐いてるだけなんだけど？」的なのはちょいと都合が良すぎるとは思う
作者であれそのファンであれ、まずこれが気持ち悪い事は前提として理解してほしいよね
その上でここまで叩かれる筋合いは無いのではと争ってほしい
二次元と三次元が違うことぐらい分かっててほしいわホンマ
こんな良い曲なのに
曲を聞け、お前ら。曲を。
曲が良ければ良いんだよ。
何で年齢がどうとか言うんだ。
楽しもうぜ。
Because it’s illegal?
このような曲に彼女の声を使うのは間違っているからです。彼女の音声プロバイダーは本物の小さな女の子です。
何か理解できなかったらごめんなさい。 Google翻訳者を使用しています。(/□＼*)
@ionknow_vro At least in Japan it is not illegal, and your argument is nothing but a cultural takeover and imposition. For all the talk about political correctness and diversity, it's a very intolerant and disrespectful behavior (lol).
文化の違いだから討論してもしょうがないわな。楽しむしかない。楽しめないやつはざぁこ♡ざぁこ♡
because its a damn child ??
なにが問題なん？可愛すぎること？
Thats a child, voiced by a child.
the problem is the voicebank of a REAL child being used in a sexual song, why are you guys so weird?
Kaiyuki usage guidelines differ between Japan and overseas.
@@Galaksileydisisexual song? Where's the sexual?
@@Galaksileydisi
Are you reading the story of this video correctly?
This is a story about Yuki, a high school student (because she wears a school uniform) who can't be honest with the person she loves.
Make sure you have a correct understanding of Japanese culture before commenting. You are stupid.
ヘイターのおかげで認知度がさらに上がったケース
どこが性的なんですかね？？
高校生に成長したユキちゃんが、気になる同級生の男の子にちょっかいかけてる微笑ましい曲だなって思ってたのですが…
そもそもこれは2次元ですしね。
私は女性ですが、全然嫌悪感も無いです。
柊さんの新曲であるこの曲を消されてしまったことに憤りを感じます。
とっても残念です。
日本の規約違反でも無いし、海外の方は結局は嫌いだから叩いてるんですかね？
Just because you want to ignore it doesn't mean it isn't there.
The fish with their lengths are clearly there to represent chinchin sizes
@@The_Wosh I don't think that is the intention. This is because the Japanese word “雑魚” has two meanings: “you are a noob” and “a small, worthless fish.”
@@The_Wosh
この曲では、「雑魚」は人をバカにする意味で使われていますが、「雑魚」は本来は字の通り「色んな種類の魚」、「いろいろな種類の入りまじった魚」という意味です。
だから大小様々な魚のイラストがあるだけです。深読みしているあなたが変態なのでは？
@@The_Wosh
私はそもそも女なのでこの曲を性的に消費もしていないですし、作品として、曲として楽しんでいたところを貴方達に邪魔された事に憤りを感じているのです。
i should NOT have opened this comments section. holy crap. look everyone
1) there is no good being done by spreading negativity
2) both sides of the argument are barely arguing, moreso spouting nonsense in anger
3) if you would like to have a proper discussion/debate, if you actually care, you need to not be outrageously cruel/offensive to others, you need to not throw around words like child p0rn, l0licon, and exploitation without context or reason, and without understanding the meaning and weight of those words, and you need to think about what you say.
if you believe this song is harmful, and you would like to explain yourself properly, please understand that by putting yourself out on the internet, you open up to debate, and you cannot be upset that you are debated. the same goes for the other side.
my personal opinion on this matter is irrelevant, i just believe that instead of doing our best to harm eachother online in "justified outrage", we need to properly discuss and debate in order to get anything done. more harm will come from senseless attacks than openly talking about the actual issues.
edit: why do i even try with you people
俺もそう思う
i agree
facts
true.
There is literally no debate to be had. Using Yuki for this kind of song is against her T.O.S because her voice is that of a REAL NINE YEAR OLD.
what happened to the whole "vocaloids are only robots so they can be whoever you want them to be" thing?
vocaloids who have adults as the basis of the voicebank, compared to kai yuuki's "the voice provider was a young fourth grade girl" ? bro
@@shinyst4r17 음성 제공자는 단순히 '제공자'일 뿐이고, 그게 가공되어 카아이유키의 목소리가 된 순간 제공자와는 별개인거임.
@@odsoasdyes but kai yuuki is CANONICALLY a fourth grader, so what’s your point?
@ 4학년이란건 가상의 캐릭터에 붙은 '설정'일뿐, 실제적인 4학년이란게 아님 ㅋㅋ 그리고 보카로 캐릭터들에 붙은 설정은 어디까지나 기본 설정일 뿐, 세세한건 창작자 마음이고 그게 보카로 문화의 중요한 한 축임.
Thing is that what I heard is that Kaai Yuki's TOS doesn't actually allow anyone to make explicit songs that involves anything sexual since the VP behind the VOCALOID was 9 years old at the time and even though that VP is an adult now, there's still an actual child voice behind it
the only problem with this song is the choice of voicebank. really nothing else matters. i hope kagamine rin gets chosen to be the voice of the remake, or theyll just make the lyrics more appropriate
not really, Hiiragi's choice of another character would probably have been as controversial as Rabbit Hole. People just used her age as an excuse to attack him.
@@potattocomputrwdym excuse?? The voicebank is of a 9 year old, who's depicted as an elementary school child. People had every reason to attack him
@@livelaughlovegrell海外でダメなだけなら海外人は見なければいい日本はOKなんだよね、これがダメならノウノカエドキとかも多分アウトでしょ
@名も無きタコイカニキ do you really want a _real_ elementary school student's voice singing about things like this? it's gross...
@livelaughlovegrell Vocaloid characters are just instruments
こんな動画批判してる暇あったら、実際に被害受けた子供に寄付するために働いたらどうだ？
where would you work and donate?
@starry.mp4 적어도 인터넷 상에서는 아니지 ㅋㅋㅋ
@@odsoasd that's not an answer
@starry.mp4 certainly not here on the world wide web
@@oops14314 that's not an answer
Thank you for upload this!
I couldn't watch this song on the original user's channel.
I want that more people accept this song and this disturbance subsides.
Yes.
雑魚(ザコ)とはもともと商品価値の低い魚、特に小魚の総称。転じて大した人物でない人をこのように呼ぶ。(wiki)
新曲だったから嬉しかったんだけどな。なんでこれで炎上するんだよ。
なぜなら、Kaai Yukiは実際の子供が声を担当しており、この曲は性的なテーマを参照しているためです
Reason pixiv have to block westerner from r18. This westard are too double standard lmao
some guy from some rural town in the united states typed this out
you have a double chin and your hands are covered in cheeto dust
Ur probably American
Using japanese culture to justify pedophilia is crazy.. imagine if it was your 9 year old’s cousin’s voicebank being used like this.
Pixiv still allows us supreme westerns to view R18, so you just look stupid.
wdym you guys didn't know this song was about that the sword fish scene its so obvious and also 2:55
リズムとか雰囲気とかめっちゃ好き💕
If this place allow to post picture, this place gonna have a lot of “if you from this place >europe and north america, gtfo” meme lmao
so who you're leaving out of this? Australia and Canada maybe..?
Me when I'm in a mental illness, arrogance and stupidity competition and my opponent is @CryHarderIDontCare
1:39と3:26のイラストめちゃ好き
色んなボカロのシーンあるの良き!!
now make an oliver version and watch the same people who are vocal about this clap. just an observation.
i figured something was gonna happen to this song, good eye saving it
2次元と3次元の区別ぐらいしようよ………
This song and many others is a perfect example of how people would listen to song with foreign language in blissful ignorance of the lyrics as-long if its “good”
Kikuo moment
What Japanese people think about this song
1. God
The melody and lyrics are divine. It suits Kawai Yuki's voice. It's cute.
2. Why was it deleted?
It's strange that such a divine song would be deleted within a day of causing a stir.
3. Why are people making a fuss about age?
Kawai Yuki's voice is divine. Isn't that enough?
*I think there are people with different opinions, but most people feel this way. I am Japanese, so I understand that.
Personal thoughts
If this song contains sexual elements and is a problem, then what about other songs? There are plenty of crazy songs out there. Also, listen to Lag Train. It's divine. Listen to it.
ただぁ！！
歌愛ユキ可愛すぎるやろ！
国内に留めておく分にはこんな大事にはならなかったろうに...その国ごとにネットの文化も異なるから仕方ないっちゃ仕方ない
別に燃える要素はないと思うけど？
「雨理科美○女コンテスト」とかいう吐き気を禁じ得ないイベントの類が未だに開催を許されてる同じ世界線での出来事とは思えんわ
リズム感すこ
日本語なら全然、学校とかでも使う言葉遣いだから英訳で拗れてそう。
bro… the scene when they measure the “fishes” length and then showed how kaai yuki is only 10 apples tall…..
there’s so many innuendos litered around the mv… how the “zako(small fish)” is potrayed like a phagus doesn’t help either
大玉のりんごの直径でさえ
平均9〜10cmのようです
つまりりんご10こで1mほど
9歳の平均身長は1.3mほどです
kaai yuki's official profile is depicted with apples,
you wouldnt post this if you ever browsed it
it is showing the fish because zaako literally means fish
your mind is too dirty and should be sent to horny jail
@@UNBRIK but wasn't the one in the video supposed to be 15?
@@The_Wosh apple is her signature, and the mv itself contains a lotta parody memes so i would take it as comical expression instead of sit back and calculating number of apples.
no need to take that scene seriously, i mean theres truckload of other stuffs that you guys can begin criticizing with
lyrics aside, i love this part 0:58
@@bluetorment lyrics aside I wanna make yuki preggnantt 😭😭😭
@@PancakesTsukiscuse me??
@@PancakesTsuki what 💔
@@PancakesTsukidawg
@@PancakesTsuki excuse me what the actual fuck
la gente chilla mucho, incluso los mismos japoneses se quejan del mercado extranjero, simplemente el niño que tratan de defender no existe en ningun lugar del mundo y es solo un banco de voz mas.
este banco de voz fue grabando por una persona real, idiota
Es la voz de una niña real
みむかわは許されてこれは許されないんほんまなぜやろ許してやれよォ！！！！
自分の国の法律や規律、文化が世界の全てでそれを他の国にまで押し付けて正義を振りかざす連中の傲慢さ。
全員がそうじゃ無いのは理解してるけど、結局昔からお国の本質は何も変わっていない。
個人的にこの曲に性的なものを連想させる表現はあると思うし（現在は成人済みとはいえ）それを歌っているのが小学生の音声合成ソフトなのは疑問に思う部分はあるけど、それ以上に自分達の価値観だけを物差しにして善悪を決める連中の気持ち悪さが目立つ。
Unpopular opinion. I know a lot of people are saying to just change the voice, but I honestly love how Yuki sounds with the instrumental, it scratches my brain just right. Just god, PLEASE, change the lyrics. No matter how good it sounds I'm not vibin with an eternal 9 year old saying "hentai"
The Kaai Yuki in the MV is a high schooler, so what's the problem
@JapanNipponNihon bruh
@JapanNipponNihon the actual voicebank is voiced by a kid, they couldve used any other voice bank to make the song. it's against the vb's rules and also just weird. also its still weird to make songs like this about a high schooler
@cindersnowsMORE I just read all the English lyrics, but holy moly that's horrible. There should've been a more better translation.
Well, the Japanese lyrics don't break the vb's rules tho
@JapanNipponNihon still a minor
cant believe i managed to see the og b4 it was taken dowm
まじでなんで炎上したのか分かんないわ
アメリカロリコン好きじゃないから(そりゃ炎上するわ)
@@CelesteCelestial-i5dじゃあなんでみむかゥわは炎上しないんだ？
I think the only problem with this song is that it has SOME sexual elements to it, like comparing "fish" size and bed creaking sounds on the background while the main singer is.. a 9 year old.... also, some of the lyrics and visuals are really just weird for a middle-schooler to sing and do
It seems like Kaai Yuki is aged up here tho :/
She is! According to a post in twitter from channel/cast, it says that Yuki in the MV is 15.
Still a child though.
@raincandy1653 yeah but the v9ice provider was NINE at the time of recording the audio samples for kaai yuki . it's directly against her tos
@@pawkyunsis not, only for Western, not japanese tos
@@lifdrazor even if youre right itx still wrong ????
The reason I think Japanese and Foreigners don't agree is because of translation. I'm quite sure they used machine translation...
So the situation is more like teasing, not provocation mesugaki lolibait.
Where the girls says "noob" its more like "coward boii can't catch mee" like in a more friendlier way.
The girl says "pervert" but it's more like "ik what you thinkin', you pervert😂...❣️" I mean again in a more friendlier way.
Are you japanese or did you really learnand study japanese?
Just asking tbh
Lets put aside about the lyrics, i like the music & the beat very catchy. I'll wait for the new version with proper voice.
日本語聞くと別になんでもないけど海外版に翻訳すると変な翻訳になってるから燃えてる感じ？
元が何であれ使って問題がある加工音声使ってるわけでもないっぽいし何がダメなのかわかんねぇな？
歌愛ユキ「何興奮(批判)してるの超キモいんだけど」
Kids who are 9 years old now casually say things like this... (My sister is currently 8 years old.)
ofcourse its channelcaststation who animated this
Why ever one hate the song?
because the song is lolibait + it makes it worse because kaai yuki is an elementary schooler and her voice provider was a child which was what made the song problematic btw !!!!
edit : and its illegal to use kaai yuki for SUGGESTIVE songs if you read her rules
@@miarinaoshi is not l0libat, Yuki IS a minor
@@miarinaoshiit is not illegal.
@@candeliechanYuki does not exist
@@Dedprotectr But her VA is a minor under 9 years old, that's the problem, using a real girl's voice for a song like that.
I hope they use Megurine Luka's voice in the remake. Those fish and the pink background would suit her.
Well MV aside I like the rhythm and melody of this song
It is very catchy and nice on the ears
I LIKE HOW NONE OF THE JAPANESE ARE MAD ABOUT THIS SONGS
Read the comments bro
It's kinda funny how Japanese/Korean/Chinese people like the song while English speakers are fighting WW2
I personally don't
because they are nasty
istg the english speaking fandom should just go touch grass (mainly you americans and europeans)
やっぱり世界は1つにはなれないんやな
神は言ってる世界は1つげんごになれば滅びるｗ
爽やかなみむかわナイストライ
2:18 スーパーボカロネタタイム
SAVIOR! I didn't get time to listen and see the MV song
no problem!
@@notvibriur pfp explains it all
@@hellogloomykitty Shut up dude
@@hellogloomykitty frr
@@hellogloomykittyseethe
何でもかんでも現実と一緒にするなよ...
Drama is cringe. The song sounds good, so I don't care.
There shouldn't even be 9 year olds contributing to voice banks.
That's the issue here. It's not that the song is suggestive. The song was clearly inspired by "L*li God Requiem".
If the composer used Hatsune Miku instead, no one would care.
Hate to tell you, but Requiem is also a l0li song, and the exact same category as this song. It’s a category of l0li material where they fantasize abt being mocked for their s3xual interest by the girl, and it’s something people “enjoy” ( disgusting, I know ).
Also, it is against the vocaloid’s TOS to do anything suggestive with the voice bank. Not only is this disgusting l0li content, but they use a real child’s voice for it. That’s why people are so disturbed by it.
( no hate, just trying to explain it )
because miku isnt voiced by a REAL 9 year old girl?
@@jaki978yeah that's essentially what he said
Ok, first off, your claim that "there shouldn't even be 9 year olds contributing to voice banks" is completely moronic. Vocaloids are synths, musical tools. There aren't people who "should" or "shouldn't" be contributing to voice banks, especially since more voices = more options for a song.
Second, the song is INCREDIBLY suggestive. Even if the lyrics like "Now you're blushing, what are you imagining? Ew, that's so gross~" weren't obvious enough, the video also has clearly auggeative elements such as the small fish and swordfish.
Third, you're right, if the artist used Miku then people wouldn't care as much. Do you know why? MIKU ISN'T VOICED BY A CHILD. However, Kaai Yuki is a child. Her voice is from a child. Using the child character voiced by a child in a suggestive manner is wrong.
"The song was clearly inspired by Loli god Requiem"
is totally subjective- from your thought, driven by some tiny little knowledge right?
bet you cant even name 2010s vocaloid songs by yuki, cuz youve never been there