honestly i feel like this makes more sense than people give it credit we don’t know specifically what carlos’ job was and im sure most doctors need to double check things theyre not sure about pretty often, and carlos doesnt have the resources to do that (obviously)
like, yeah the fact that he doesn’t lean on the side of it being a dog bite is a little odd but with how messed Up walkers teeth might be and the fact that they had a bite victim before makes it believable to me that he might have just been more cautious, not calling it a dog bite for certain even if he thought it was, and not suggesting that it might be a dog bite when there are a couple people already on clementine’s side
@@yurilover2017 to add to your point, there's also no reason to believe that animal bites can't transmit the virus even if animals themselves don't turn. They could be asymptomatic carriers. Additionally, even if Clem isn't infected she could turn simply from dying in bed, making her a risk regardless. She could have rabies which is fatal without proper treatment.
I think Kenny is actually an incredibly and realistic character here. Yes, people do change, but if you think about it: Kenny has lost his first and second wife and kid, and now he’s just so incredibly done with everything. Of course he’d regress, he’s going literally insane
Agreed. Some say that Kenny is the worst character of the series, but I disagree. He was one my favorites. Like you pointed out, he's lost so much that he is simply done. Who wouldn't change from such tragic events?
Right and those same people who don’t like Kenny swear Rick and Daryl are so great if you don’t like Kenny you don’t like them either it’s all the same watching them lose there humanity do to the circumstances of the world
@@Phantom.Gaming64Who the hell in their right mind would see Kenny as the worst character when we have utter morons with zero character like Mike for example?
@@GalahadTheSeekerWell, I mean, you said it yourself. Kenny is actually a character, Mike is not. Can't call someone a character if they have nothing to characterize them
I really hated Bonnie. Her morality was so all over the shop and it just felt like she saw the group as a means to escape. She switched sides when she saw Carver beat Kenny’s eye out but was absolutely fine watching him execute helpless innocent hostages? Makes no sense at all to me
@@ilyulia_Wait... What? That didn't happen in my game, what the fuck did she do? Also don't forget that she tried to steal all of your supplies with Arvo
i just can’t hate kenny man, he holds a place in my heart, right behind lee. he’s such a flawed character and that makes him feel so real, like i understand why he would make the decisions he does
@@Labyethanor how Christa shot a woman, was suicidal for months, and apparently barely spoke, and somehow had the communication skills to survive with Clem
I wish they had given them a bit more screentime, even if they died first episode still. Even better, story wise, if only one dies in the first episode 'cause then we can deal with the other's grief. They can live long enough to see Kenny again perhaps, then be one of the characters that can die in the lodge confrontation or something.
God, that ending with Kenny leaving the kids at Wellington still has me tearing up. He’s one of my favorite characters in the series and I never really liked Jane so when she set shit up where AJ could’ve died to prove a stupid point I was perfectly fine letting Kenny kill her. It’s no wonder Kenny ended up a broken man esp after literal brain damage. It’s not like he could’ve just gone to get help with grievance counseling or medication to help him get through shit easier 😅 I still side with him after all these years!
I concur completely. Kenny felt responsible for Hershel losing his son, and that losing Duck afterwards was comeuppance, bad karma. Considering everything the man lost, it’d be totally understandable for Kenny lay down and die. Instead, he saved Clem and the baby, delivering them to a place of safety, without any regard for his own life. Jane abandoned Clem more than once, something Kenny would never do. After ending the game a few times (and always siding with Kenny), I still had the most difficult time siding with Jane just to see her endings after the fact.
I’ve never understood siding with Kenny in the end. The point Jane was making was proven when he literally attacks/ kills her. Like dude literally murders her. The point she was trying to prove , that he was mentally unstable and violent, is clearly proven not even 3 mins later. How does hiding or losing AJ justify him killing her? It doesn’t
@@Leodoesthings23 I think the disparity between Kenny and Jane and the decision you have to make is one of the things that makes the game so good and it’s story so compelling. There are lots of people, many of whom are parents, who think leaving an infant unattended in an dangerous environment, to make a point of any kind, would be tantamount to killing the child - who is completely defenseless and unable to flee, while murdering others who endanger the child to be completely acceptable, albeit unfortunate. Then there are others who believe that it’s unacceptable to become a murderer, and not at all in your best interest to be in the company of someone who has repeatedly demonstrated both the capacity to kill others and at moments, clear mental instability. I think, for me, the choice between siding with Kenny and with Jane would be a little more difficult if Jane hadn’t already abandoned the group - including Clementine. I have a hard time seeing Jane putting the children, especially infant’s needs, in front of her own, whereas Kenny has a mountain of flaws, and indeed is committing murder at the very moment you have to make your choice. Were there a third choice, to stop Kenny without killing anyone, I’d take it, because I don’t see good or evil in either one of them. My first, natural playthrough of the game, where I made my own choices in real time, without going back, I felt bad that Kenny didn’t stop until Jane was dead, but when we arrived at Wellington, and Kenny essentially sacrificed himself just to get the two children in without him, it made me feel like I made the right choice, because I just don’t see Jane doing the same. Now, to be fair, anyone familiar with TWD universe, could argue that handing the children over to complete strangers - vs going off, in a small, competent group of your own, is the wrong choice. With that in mind as well, some will think, with good reason, Jane’s the better choice, but I’m not one of them.
Putting aside how funny it is how much they relied on Clem…… What legitimately irritated is that half of the choice didn’t matter. I know that’s kinda the point but these literally have no consequences half the time.
@@DuckingLuckingSeason 1 proves its choices matter more than season 2 with Carley and Doug--sure either of them get executed by Lilly in episode three but one or the other pretty vastly changes episode 2 and if you take Carley's advice to tell people about your past, they'll side with you in episode 4
I know! Like with teaching Sarah to shoot a gun in Season 2? The girl was never in a situation that required her to hold a gun after that, and she died anyway due to the Walkers (but by that point I was pretty over her character, she was such a burden, so whatever impact that was meant to have didn’t hit for me) … so why make such a big deal of Clem teaching her to shoot? 😒😒😒
@@LadyLeomon yeah they should've had sarah go through this journey of her starting to take of herself and become independent and then possibly gets shot by arvo or just have her get killed at carver's base or heck maybe she actually survived in the end and in the next game she dies at the new frontier something at least cause they just they really ran out of ideas of what to do with her character after they all escape
I think the two biggest flaws with this season were the weak characters and choices not mattering. Aside from Luke and Carver, all of the new characters introduced this season were either forgettable or unlikeable. In terms of choices, this season might be the worst of them all as far as your choices being meaningless. You may disagree with this, but I think the only things that saved this season from being completely awful was 1.) Carver being a great villain and 2.) Clem and Kenny’s relationship. I really love what they did with Kenny this season, and I think his character arc comes to a perfect end if you choose to stay at Wellington
But the second flaw is just TellTale in general. They lie about your choices mattering, and they can't even compete with games like Until Dawn and Detroit: Become Human, because your choices mattering would require way more than a rushed episode made in 6 months
Season 2 definitely suffered from creative surpression. The characters had a lot of potential, but nothing is really done with them. I think Kenny and Luke were the two highlights, just sad how lukes death is unceremonious. I think they really wanted Clementine to grow up fast and basically put her through the most traumatic situations ever to make her stronger. I remember playing this when I was 15 and crying almost every episode 😢
I only cried in 2 episodes, and then reasons were kenny. The last one made me tear up twice, one for kenny talking to clem I'm the car and leaving kenny. I cried when I saw Kenny as well.
Wait, I didn’t even realise Bonnie could die there. I just thought the only outcome of not helping Luke was that she hates you for essentially no reason.
The problems often boil down to the fact that if a character can die or live due to your choices, they must die at a later point no matter what because the main story doesn’t change that much. This is why characters like Nick and Alvin feel undeveloped for most people, you have the option to save them but you only get one or two extra scenes with them because they might be dead in other people’s savefiles.
I kind of had this problem with season 1 as well. It doesn't matter if you try to save duck or Shawn, because Shawn will die anyway. It doesn't matter if you save Doug or Carley, because whoever you save will get barely any screentime in episode 2, and will get shot by Lilly in episode 3. It doesn't matter if you take the food from the car because the stranger will kidnap clementine and try to kill you anyway.
Well never get the writting behind this season. Like why are grown adults essentially so dependant on a child. An 11 year old girl. Clementine being more emotionally and mentally sound than a group of....ADULTS just never made sense. Prior to Kenny there wasn't a real leader even with his trauma.
Not if you teach them early on as puppies. My dog Dixie, we taught her because we put things like eggs, chicken broth and all the good stuff for puppers in her bowl. We'd put it down with the normal food and then pick it up and put her good stuff in. Now at 2, she still doesn't get aggressive. She actually gets excited ready for some good food. As long as you know how to properly train and raise dogs, it should NEVER be an issue. I love watching her eyes get big and her wagging her tail. It's so cute 🥰
The dog a behaviour may appear greedy, but the dog is starving and is sad. The dog lost his family and got skinny, so it is understandable that it got violent.
My entire issue with this season (and series in general) is that nothing you do matters. Play Clem as unsure or weak, always becomes an Edgelord. Save Alvin? He disappears early in episode 3. Save Nick? He becomes useless until he gets peaced in episode 4. Save Sarah? Dead before the end of the episode. Even the choice of who to save at the end of episode 5 doesn’t matter since Clem will always be alone at the start of New Frontier. The entire season just does not matter other than to establish the birth of AJ.
I've heard no one mention how the car Jane left AJ in had an open windows. I've been in blizzards bad enough that the whole car would be filled with snow in minutes. That baby's dead.
Yeah, that's my biggest issue with anyone that takes Jane's side in the ending. She literally left a baby alone in a car in winter. She also didn't take into consideration what would happen if Clem sided against her. That they wouldn't know that AJ was in a car nearby and could've easily missed him or believed she left him to die. She endangered the life of a baby to prove a point.
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Yes. The fact that he shoots Clem even if you defend him the whole time proves this. Good news is realistically he probably didn’t make it far on his own with the terrible weather and his busted leg
the big problem with this series, and it started with season 2, was just how punishing it became. The more you had to watch this literal 11 year old deal with her injuries, tensions in the group, violence, the less you wanted to go on. at some point the story lost any sense of how it could end in a satisfying way and that makes the last season really hard to play, theres only one moment in the last game that i genuinely enjoyed (killing Lilly) and it ends in just an unsatisfying way.
The best part of season 1 was how hopefully hopeless it was... And in s2 it felt like they went all in on hopelessness. So much senseless violence and nonsensical fighting. In season 1, the most memorable moment for me is Lee finding his family died in the drug store, and committing to Clem as his new family slash daughter. In season 2, the most memorable moments for me all involve horrible deaths or Clem stitching up her dog bite.
It was depression porn from the start, with the most predictable character cycle Character gets introduced -> you get to know him just enough for his death to have at least a small emotional impact -> the character dies
Season 2 for me was like the beginning of a downfall of this series, as the gimmick of "game is tailored how you play" began to lose importance. GCN's "Everything Wrong With" series about "Telltale Games The Walking Dead" -games highlight these issues in great detail.
No I am so happy someone else finally said it, like the Luke glaze is CRAZY when the mf is one of the most incompetent and useless ones of the party, the only reason I assume ppl are so attached/like Luke is because hes nice to Clem and less annoying than alot of the rest, that and because he 'better' than Kenny who has completely lost it, but even so I'd still rather side with Kenny for the simple fact that atleast HE was the only one who actually did want the best for Clem and genuinely acted like a parent while the rest acted like complete assholes majority of the time or relied on this little ass girl like SHE was the adult leadin the group. Luke was completely useless, semi nice to Clem which was ok and all, but at the end of the day Kenny was the lesser of all the evils and I have no idea why ppl glaze tf outta Luke or are even upset by his death, especially since a walker isnt even that danm strong or heavy so all Luke had to do was pry the walkers hand off his foot and swim back up, a death so forced its more funny than it is sad.
I know a lot if people get mad at Kenny for basically being worse than he was in season one but a lot of people seem to forget he was doing fine in his cabin with his friends. Its only until Luke and his merry band of fuck ups show up and ruin everything by bringing a psycho to his door and getting all of them but himself and his wife killed (and even then thats partly true due to the walkers attacking Howes that got Sarita killed). And lets not forget Nick was the moron who shot a man who was not even a threat to them! These people literally ruined his life and then start acting like they know him and talk about how unhinged he is. Well considering 90% of you idiots are relying on an 11 year old to do all of the dirty work for you. Half of you don't have a leg to stand on so zip it. Ever since they got kidnapped Kenny has been trying to fix the situation he didnt even put them in. He's been like that since the start, being a family man and knowing kids are constantly in danger probably doesn't help him either. He loves Clem and AJ, sure he isnt always the most levelheaded, he's never been that but when the chips are down he did come to Clem's aid more than the rest of the useless sacks of meat Clem had the misfortune of running into. No matter how Kenny's story ends in season 2 he always cares about Clem and her safety. He sacrifices time and time again for her and AJ. The wellington ending, the horrible season 3 ending, even thanking her when she decides to end his suffering. Kenny is a broken man in a messed up world but he was always there for the kids when it mattered. And yes him getting mad at her about Sarita is irrational. He even knows that later on, man just lost his second wife and he was helpless to help her just like Kat. Man is spiralling but he tries to hold it together for the only people who matter to him which is Clem and AJ by the end of the season.
Kenny brutally beat a teen and a women, and caused endless fights and arguments. How can anyone defend his actions regardless of what hes been through. Hardships are not an excuse to act like a mad man and bring others down.
kenny wasn’t out of order when he beat up arvo he lead them to a place farther away from their destination and mike glazed him the entire time even tho he was literally trying to kill them just yesterday and he pretty much killed luke with the ice even tho there’s food it’s solid and that can’t feed aj
It's infuriating how Clem is the only smart character in a group of adults, but I truly hated how Sarah was written. They teased of having her and Clem develop a friendship, but as soon Kenny comes to the picture, she's treated as annoyance and gets cruelly killed. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I feel like Kenny was added because of his popularity in the 1st season; he steals the spotlight away from everyone and it makes them feel very inconsequential and useless. It made the whole season a chore to go through with very little investment and it can be summed up as trauma porn. Also, the pacing is a nightmare; season 1 had beefy episodes, but there was zero padding. You had time exploring and getting character development from everybody. Not only do the choices not matter, but, like you've said with characters like Nick, their arcs were resolved way too quickly. So it's not a surprise the writers had no clue what to do with them besides killing them off.
Hell yeah, good points mate. My recent little theory is that they dumbed down all characters to make Clem appear superior. Feel free to disagree with me, but it does not make sense how Clem would accumulate oddly high skills in survival and negotiation for a 12 years old. Sure, she learned stuff, but she is not Lee.
I love Kenny but sadly I have to kinda agree. It doesn't help how his story arc is basically a repeat from S1. E.g. he's in constant conflict with another character (Lily / Luke, Jane), he loses loved ones (family / Sarita) and goes into dark place lashing out at wrong people (Lee / Clementine), he develops a very strict plan about what the group should do (boat / Wellington), there's also a young guy who he takes his anger on (Ben / Arvo), but in the end he shows his heart is in the right place (sacrificing himself for Ben or Christa / sacrificing himself for the kids). They put so much focus on Kenny and the same story beats from S1 to a point it became detrimental to other characters. Take Luke for example. They tried SO hard to just constantly pit him against Kenny, even when it made no sense for the character e.g. Luke had consistently been the one thinking Clem capable but then suddenly in ep 3 he goes like "what??? U seriously want her to do this?? That's ur plan??". It's like he was now only against it because it was something Kenny was promoting and the writers can't have them agreeing on anything. No wonder they ended up swapping Luke with Jane... and then proceeded to do really bad job there too. The obviously forced bonding with Jane already irritated me and then they made her an outright dumbass for pulling such a stupid stunt with the baby. Jane was supposed to be the survivalist type of character, yet she endangers all 4 remaining people just to "prove a point"? Ok then. Your drama/conflict was already annoying with the constant bickering (the arguments in S1 felt more organic) but then it also became contrived and stupid.
@@LeChoisi101 Indeed, the adults just constantly relying on Clem seriously annoyed me and messed with my immersion. I suspect the devs were struggling with the fact that this is still a game. Therefore they want the player feel like they have agency, that they are doing meaningful things... BUT instead of doing that in any organic way they just made all the adults feel like incompetent dumbasses. Like, bruh, if you wanted 12 year old to do everything in a believable manner then perhaps don't pair her up with a group of able-bodied supposedly mature adults (heck, one has a kid of his own). Her doing all this stuff would make more sense if she was traveling with someone who was incapacitated in some way. Or perhaps with someone who's just kinda reckless and unreliable, constantly leaving her to her own devices, therefore Clem would have to start relying on herself.
I think Kenny had the best interest of the kids at mind, as much of a crazy man he could be instead of just instantly becoming selfless. Id like to think he was like that deep inside the selfish and violent man he could be. Also would have liked for Nick to have died in the start of episode 5 with some good reason, maybe sacrificed himself to save somebody in the shooting.
Season 2 with Kenny felt like a Rollercoaster at first I hated how he was quick to anger but after realizing that he lost his family and left clem to take care of AJ I felt sorry for him, he went through so much to the point where he's so done with life, clem going out on her own meeting different groups and having a dream with Lee was heartbreaking.
I feel those Russians were added just so Clementine's group had an conflict situation to deal with. What makes the situation more annoying is that even if you decide to give Arvo the medicine back that he had, he still claims later that Clementine and Jane robbed him.
@@Phantom.Gaming64 Even more confusing is that Clementine can reply that it was Jane who robbed Arvo and not anyone else in the group, apparently forgetting that not only didn't she rob Arvo but she returned his meds. I think the writers genuinely forgot to account for that.
@@Takejiro24 It makes me feel that the last few episodes(4 and 5) of this season were rushed out the door to meet an release deadline. How some choices get accounted for properly, others result in same outcome either way or get ignored.
@Phantom.Gaming64 it wasn't that they were rushed, the og writers left around halfway through season 2 which is why there's a shift in focus and narrative
By far my least favorite season. I don't know why they made the choice of an 11 year old be the main protagonist, and make her do and take decisions for a whole group of adults. It's like every character was written way dumber than they actually were, just so that Clementine can do something. The scene where i got most pissed of for it was Luke's death, Bonnie kept blaming a kid for something she wasn't even supposed to be doing.
Because the adults are all babies and the eleven year old is the actual adult. This is what I hate about this game. They kill off all the likeable characters just to have the other adults abuse and betray a child. And because Clem is the protagonist and the writers are too lazy to develop some of these characters, Clem has to be the one to do all the dirty work and keep the peace of the irredeemable group.
@@chloeb3114Prolly the only death out of the series that has had me genuinely mad since release. Like the fact Bonnie gets pissed at you for honoring Luke’s commands and the fact that he dies in that specific scene no matter what option you choose is annoying.
Clem went through shit when years ago, but Kenny went through worse. He witnessed his wife's suicide, he saw his son being put down, lost a whole ass eye, and now he put down Sarita again. He has every right to be done with everything. He hasn't and probably won't heal
Shit always fucked me up in the first episode when I’d realized Clem kicked the dog onto those spikes, but damn when Kenny shows up at the end of that one episode me and my mom were both excited as fuck (she would sit on the couch and actually watched me beat the first season cus we loved the walking dead) good times, wish telltale never went bankrupt
Telltale still exists even though they went bankrupt. A company named LCG ent. acquired their IPs and branding and they've already released a game called The Expanse and The Wolf Among Us 2 is supposed to drop sometime this year.
in the defense of arvo, apparently he does tell them multiple times to stop shooting, they have a baby in russian. the game barely bothered to translate ANY of the russian for players or even write it as subtitles to allow russian speakers to translate it easier for others. but he did try to stop the ambush and shooting
The season doesnt have any time to breath. Season 1 allowed for a time skip in between episode 1, 2 and 3 before things shot into overdrive. This season has no such time. Even after Carver captures you. You're there for 2 days. Then hes killed before episode 3 ends and the game struggles to find anything to do besides Kenny going nuts. It just lack polish and the cast are woefully underdeveloped for it. Not to mention what this is trying to say is much harder to see. The first was about a man finding redemption in protecting a child. A cliche but effective story told well. The best i get from this game is an inverse of the first with Kenny being abusive and a negative impacy on Clem. It just doesnt hit as hard since Clem is the player character and makes her own choices. Including disagreeing with Kenny constantly.
The ending really doesn't matter in the long run. The only impact these endings have is how clems character will look like. Stay with kenny and get a small scar on your forehead Stay with jane and get an "AJ" tattoo on your hand Or go alone and lose a finger The only reason i picked jane was for the tattoo bc it really didn't matter and the tattoo is pretty cool
Ngl I would eat that dog. 2 years without meat? All I need is a little salt and bbq sauce. But yeah this season was boring as hell. Probably the one I’ve played the least. Even A New Frontier which is regarded as the most ass season, at least between my friends, has more playtime than Season 2.
Where nick should've died was when they were ambushed and nick died protecting the group, then clem would be more determined saying arvo deserves it because the ambush killed nick. That's where people should hate on arvo: He got nick killed. Having no casualties in the Gunfight was anticlimatic. Nick should've had the scenes that mike had (boosting clem seen with mike) if nick lived. Nick should've saved Clem instead of Troy. Nick wasn't thought that much. also imagine his reaction seeing Luke and Jane too?
This right here would've shown actual character progression for Nick. From a rash idiot who caused problems for the group to a thoughtful hero. Instead, we don't really get that. Just an apology and then he dies.
A thought about amputating Sarita: going off of the most prominent examples, Lee, Reggie, and Hershel, they were all amputated in relative safety and had medical supplies at the ready, so it's not too far fetched to assume that cutting of her hand was a bad idea. On the other hand, the ending of season 4 completely puts you in the right, and it's a much worse amputation at that. Honestly, I always though season 2 was a bit off, but now I know it's due to how contrived it is.
39:15 "Carver is fairly pragmatic and not the mustache twirling villain I was expecting at first. He doesn't immediately kill one of his own for screwing up." This is contradicted by him literally killing Reggie over a fucking blueberry bush 💀
I think the idea is having to move past nostalgic attachment to Kenny, but they made every single member of the group so stupid, it loses all of what they were trying to go for
Kenny and lee were the best characters and went through so much i always decided to go with kenny i never left him until the bitter end i just didnt want to leave him alone after all the loss he suffered
29:00 you had the option to tell them earlier Pete got bit but chose to say you guys got attacked by walkers (you show the clip of your choice earlier when showing Clementine return to the house)
Although he ends up dying a wreck. Staying with Kenny is the best choice. Not only due to the fact that his hat is never mentioned again if you stay. His off screen death from that ending is ass and ruins his character. At least the wreck death has some finality to it, and in a way sticks out among all the other deaths we witness
I never realized the easter egg shown at 42:05. Those posters in the comic book store are from Robert Kirkman’s other graphic novels, my favorite one being “OutCast”.
lack of option to treat arvo like he deserves to be treated and everyone is angry at clementine that she doesn't actively defend a guy who told his friends you stole from him "everyone will remember that" any other season after this and no comfirmation of arvo's brutal, painful and slow death that every single player demanded
Season 2s story was changed dramatically shortly before release apparently. The things that are in the game from the previous story, make the stuff that doesn’t make sense…make sense
The old script of season 2 is believed would’ve played more with the 400 day DLC characters. Wish we would’ve seen it’s script as it’s just speculation with some details
I remember when I first played this season and I wasn't a fan of Kenny as is. I wanted to give him a chance, but I just couldn't go along with his actions. In the end, I shot him during the fight and felt more comfortable with Jane. Up until she made it clear she manipulated the situation to prove a point. Do I regret shooting Kenny? No, he had enough chances and it was clear how over the edge he was. But the fact it could've been avoided and I did what I felt was right for someone who manipulated me? I remember my exact reaction. "Fuck you Jane. Fuck you and your manipulative ass. Im out of here and you can go die for all I care" And so the ending I got was Clem going it alone.
I was a wreck with that ending. I chose to shoot Kenny and it killed me inside but despite knowing what was going to happen, I was PISSED at Jane. Like she literally caused the entire damn thing to happen and manipulated everything. After that I was more than ready to say fuck you to Jane and just move on with AJ. She proves how much she cared in S3 anyway. At least compared to Kenny if he lives.
*Honest Thoughts* 💭 I honestly didn’t think Season 2 was a bad season. I really enjoyed the story concepts. While I agree that it felt like they killed off too many characters & choices didn’t feel like they had much impact at all. I still feel the story progression holds up very well. Carver is an interesting character & I feel like there was a lot of depth that could’ve been explored. For what we did get, Season 2 was great. What Season 1 did better was the adventure & the journey. You never ever felt truly safe in Season 1. Season 2 felt like there was more safety.
Is Season 2 as good as Season 1? No. Is it flawed? Absolutely. However, it gets a little too much hate. Clementine's character, the superb voice acting in general, and some story beats make it a solid if problematic follow up. I think because Season 1 was such a one of a kind masterpiece that Season 2 got a lot of flack for not living up to impossible odds. Few story driven games are as good as Season 1 so nothing was ever going to come close to matching its power.
Honestly, I didn't even realize it got any hate. The reviews were fantastic back in the day, and it's easily my favorite season due to how absolutely dark and nihilistic it is.
Funny enough, the devs confirmed the choice at the end Was supposed to be between Luke and Kenny originally, but the devs realized Luke was "too likeable". So basically the rationale that the TV show writers use for the characters.
23:38 well yeah thats youre fault then isnt it? You clearly saw that pete was bit on his leg and went " Yep, im gonna save him because hes a better character!" Like what? "Oh i was soo disappointed he died straight away- WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? ANYONE WHO ISNT ACTUALLY BRAINLESS CHOSE NICK BECAUSE PETE WAS ALREADY DEAD!!
*Explaining Why It’s Not Unusual To Have Clementine Be Relied On By Adults* I don’t know why some of you believe the adults relied on Clementine because the script called for it. Clementine impressed the group when she survived in the shed. This made them realize that she’s a very strong girl. They looked up to her & Kenny further encouraged them to look towards Clementine because of Lee’s teachings. So, it’s not far fetched at all to see why Season 2 is written this way.
No matter how you look at it, there is no world where grown adults would put this much faith in an 11 year old. If they wanted the story to better facilitate Clem as the player character, they should've aged her up to be Sarah's age (15). Then she would be a place where people can doubt her for age but still be old enough that reliance on her isn't unbelievable.
13:03 "We never see Christa again" No, we do. Her body is seen later. When Clem makes a run for it, we hear a gunshot. They shot her in the head. Clem tells Kenny that she died when she reunites with him
Never got to play the series however, the story's starting to get interesting and that's tragic how Kenny started crashing out towards the end. Definitely a sad ending but really well written character
I'm about 38 minutes through the video, i feel like you're focused too much on summarizing the events rather than giving your thoughts on the chapter. You need a more even split
Alr so Luke was supposed to fight Kenny in the finale however before episode 5 and during the season 2 hype some people made some “questionable” art about Luke and Clem and well it got very bad that Telltale noticed it and they to decided to kill him (Note: some people in the community shipped Luke and Clem and well Clem’s a minor so thats why)
What an incredible video I would mean the world to me if you cover season 3 of the walking dead has your videos on the first two seasons are some of my favourites that you have made keep up the good 😊 work
Season 2 was the first of the telltale walking dead series I played. For me it will always atleast be a fun story. Logical, no but I had fun playing it.
great vid and great InColdBlood shoutout, he has a great channel. I've said it before, but The Wolf Among Us is a great followup if you like the first 2 The Walking Dead seasons. It's a mix of them with GTA Vice City's style, and it's definitely worth picking up on Steam and trying out.
honestly the ending where they split at wellington is as heart-wrenching to me as the ending of the first season. plus, i like the idea of them being able to meet again in the future (not that it's a thing that ever happens, but it could have if they wanted to. oh man, how wild if the 4th season had lilly AND kenny again, years later?)
I liked saison 2 very much, despite all stupidity and obvious cut, the first things that was SO stupid is getting rid of Christa, Clem spent more time with christa than Lee, Christa have grown on me, and I would loved her to continue with maybe she could get killed by carver?, the complete wasted potiental of Carver as a villain, the first plan of getting attacked by the 400days group dlc instead of the russians, and the unforivable death of Luke we could have end the season with Kenny luke left alive instead of having a choice, choice in end of season automacitly mean that the character will die in the next season obviously. the season 3 felt like it wasnt even the same game, character that no one Gave a F, anyway
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We going to do the other season or dont know yet? Enjoyed the run down on season 1 and 2
I will never let this season live down the fact that Carlos, a TRAINED DOCTOR, couldn't tell the difference between a human bite and a dog bite.
honestly i feel like this makes more sense than people give it credit we don’t know specifically what carlos’ job was and im sure most doctors need to double check things theyre not sure about pretty often, and carlos doesnt have the resources to do that (obviously)
like, yeah the fact that he doesn’t lean on the side of it being a dog bite is a little odd but with how messed Up walkers teeth might be and the fact that they had a bite victim before makes it believable to me that he might have just been more cautious, not calling it a dog bite for certain even if he thought it was, and not suggesting that it might be a dog bite when there are a couple people already on clementine’s side
@@yurilover2017 to add to your point, there's also no reason to believe that animal bites can't transmit the virus even if animals themselves don't turn. They could be asymptomatic carriers. Additionally, even if Clem isn't infected she could turn simply from dying in bed, making her a risk regardless. She could have rabies which is fatal without proper treatment.
He’s the only doctor who accepts Clem’s insurance.
@@yurilover2017 if you can't tell a humans teeth from a dog's as a doctor you actually need to be fired
I think Kenny is actually an incredibly and realistic character here. Yes, people do change, but if you think about it: Kenny has lost his first and second wife and kid, and now he’s just so incredibly done with everything. Of course he’d regress, he’s going literally insane
Agreed. Some say that Kenny is the worst character of the series, but I disagree. He was one my favorites. Like you pointed out, he's lost so much that he is simply done. Who wouldn't change from such tragic events?
I knew what I was gonna do with Kenny and I went through with it.
Doesn’t mean I didn’t hate it though because I was an emotional wreck.
Right and those same people who don’t like Kenny swear Rick and Daryl are so great if you don’t like Kenny you don’t like them either it’s all the same watching them lose there humanity do to the circumstances of the world
@@Phantom.Gaming64Who the hell in their right mind would see Kenny as the worst character when we have utter morons with zero character like Mike for example?
@@GalahadTheSeekerWell, I mean, you said it yourself. Kenny is actually a character, Mike is not. Can't call someone a character if they have nothing to characterize them
The Kenny ending where he begs them to just take the kids, hit me in feels hard, and very unexpectedly.
Don’t get me wrong, Lee’s death was sad. But leaving Kenny was more sad IMO
@@Tony-gy1iyit was, it ruined my sleep that night lol
That had me sniffling just like the ending of S1.
@@Tony-gy1iyur trippin if u think i was gon get as attached to kennys dumbass
Honeslty that ending felt flat. The scene entirely relies on kenny and clementine relationship. Which isn't that strong.
The fact that an 11 year old carried the group of survivors will never get old
Just like duck , it'll never get old
🤣🤣🤣
I mean they are pretty stupid so….
Damn it got dark in here quick.
@@matthew1562oh shit lol
I really hated Bonnie. Her morality was so all over the shop and it just felt like she saw the group as a means to escape. She switched sides when she saw Carver beat Kenny’s eye out but was absolutely fine watching him execute helpless innocent hostages? Makes no sense at all to me
I don't get why Bonnie was allowed in the group in the first place when she was initially on Carver's side.
I was SO pissed off when she got Luke killed and then blamed Clem. Screw Bonnie!
@@ilyulia_Wait...
What?
That didn't happen in my game, what the fuck did she do?
Also don't forget that she tried to steal all of your supplies with Arvo
@@twinzzlers if you choose to cover him, instead of trying to go on the already thin breaking ice, she'll get bitched at you lmfao.
@@twinzzlersthat happens if you dont listen to her instructions before luke dies
i just can’t hate kenny man, he holds a place in my heart, right behind lee. he’s such a flawed character and that makes him feel so real, like i understand why he would make the decisions he does
Kenny was the only character who stayed alive that I actually liked. Because he didn't take the bs of his shit group.
He got annoying, to me.
@@Jffeeney3rdI don’t disagree he most def got annoying, much like ppl in real life that you love
Jane is very stupid to try and make a suffering man hurt even more
More people should be acting like Kenny imo
I knew the cracks for this season started to show when the dlc characters from the first game show up JUST for 5 seconds each
I saw the cracks when Omid was killed in such a goofy way, and Christa was just dropped.
@@Labyethanor how Christa shot a woman, was suicidal for months, and apparently barely spoke, and somehow had the communication skills to survive with Clem
Dam, Luke joined club 27, ain't realize all these years till you said his age
had the same realisation too!!
Just realized I'm now as old as he was
1:04:53 I’ll be honest, I never thought of connecting the death of Shawn into taking care of AJ. Nice catch.
What I hate about Season 2 is that they just got rid of Christa & Omid like that.
I wish they had given them a bit more screentime, even if they died first episode still. Even better, story wise, if only one dies in the first episode 'cause then we can deal with the other's grief.
They can live long enough to see Kenny again perhaps, then be one of the characters that can die in the lodge confrontation or something.
God, that ending with Kenny leaving the kids at Wellington still has me tearing up. He’s one of my favorite characters in the series and I never really liked Jane so when she set shit up where AJ could’ve died to prove a stupid point I was perfectly fine letting Kenny kill her. It’s no wonder Kenny ended up a broken man esp after literal brain damage. It’s not like he could’ve just gone to get help with grievance counseling or medication to help him get through shit easier 😅 I still side with him after all these years!
I concur completely. Kenny felt responsible for Hershel losing his son, and that losing Duck afterwards was comeuppance, bad karma. Considering everything the man lost, it’d be totally understandable for Kenny lay down and die. Instead, he saved Clem and the baby, delivering them to a place of safety, without any regard for his own life.
Jane abandoned Clem more than once, something Kenny would never do.
After ending the game a few times (and always siding with Kenny), I still had the most difficult time siding with Jane just to see her endings after the fact.
I’ve never understood siding with Kenny in the end. The point Jane was making was proven when he literally attacks/ kills her. Like dude literally murders her. The point she was trying to prove , that he was mentally unstable and violent, is clearly proven not even 3 mins later. How does hiding or losing AJ justify him killing her? It doesn’t
@@Leodoesthings23 I think the disparity between Kenny and Jane and the decision you have to make is one of the things that makes the game so good and it’s story so compelling. There are lots of people, many of whom are parents, who think leaving an infant unattended in an dangerous environment, to make a point of any kind, would be tantamount to killing the child - who is completely defenseless and unable to flee, while murdering others who endanger the child to be completely acceptable, albeit unfortunate.
Then there are others who believe that it’s unacceptable to become a murderer, and not at all in your best interest to be in the company of someone who has repeatedly demonstrated both the capacity to kill others and at moments, clear mental instability.
I think, for me, the choice between siding with Kenny and with Jane would be a little more difficult if Jane hadn’t already abandoned the group - including Clementine. I have a hard time seeing Jane putting the children, especially infant’s needs, in front of her own, whereas Kenny has a mountain of flaws, and indeed is committing murder at the very moment you have to make your choice. Were there a third choice, to stop Kenny without killing anyone, I’d take it, because I don’t see good or evil in either one of them.
My first, natural playthrough of the game, where I made my own choices in real time, without going back, I felt bad that Kenny didn’t stop until Jane was dead, but when we arrived at Wellington, and Kenny essentially sacrificed himself just to get the two children in without him, it made me feel like I made the right choice, because I just don’t see Jane doing the same.
Now, to be fair, anyone familiar with TWD universe, could argue that handing the children over to complete strangers - vs going off, in a small, competent group of your own, is the wrong choice. With that in mind as well, some will think, with good reason, Jane’s the better choice, but I’m not one of them.
@@Leodoesthings23 Imagine being this wrong
@@Leodoesthings23 she pulled the knife and made it a fight to the death
Putting aside how funny it is how much they relied on Clem……
What legitimately irritated is that half of the choice didn’t matter. I know that’s kinda the point but these literally have no consequences half the time.
I feel you the first season had good characters so the choices wasn't rly that much of a issue
@@DuckingLuckingSeason 1 proves its choices matter more than season 2 with Carley and Doug--sure either of them get executed by Lilly in episode three but one or the other pretty vastly changes episode 2 and if you take Carley's advice to tell people about your past, they'll side with you in episode 4
@@DuckingLucking that too. I don’t care about half of the characters hardly.
Except for Luke. He was a good character. Everyone else felt wasted.
I know! Like with teaching Sarah to shoot a gun in Season 2? The girl was never in a situation that required her to hold a gun after that, and she died anyway due to the Walkers (but by that point I was pretty over her character, she was such a burden, so whatever impact that was meant to have didn’t hit for me) … so why make such a big deal of Clem teaching her to shoot? 😒😒😒
@@LadyLeomon yeah they should've had sarah go through this journey of her starting to take of herself and become independent and then possibly gets shot by arvo or just have her get killed at carver's base or heck maybe she actually survived in the end and in the next game she dies at the new frontier something at least cause they just they really ran out of ideas of what to do with her character after they all escape
I think the two biggest flaws with this season were the weak characters and choices not mattering. Aside from Luke and Carver, all of the new characters introduced this season were either forgettable or unlikeable. In terms of choices, this season might be the worst of them all as far as your choices being meaningless.
You may disagree with this, but I think the only things that saved this season from being completely awful was 1.) Carver being a great villain and 2.) Clem and Kenny’s relationship. I really love what they did with Kenny this season, and I think his character arc comes to a perfect end if you choose to stay at Wellington
But the second flaw is just TellTale in general. They lie about your choices mattering, and they can't even compete with games like Until Dawn and Detroit: Become Human, because your choices mattering would require way more than a rushed episode made in 6 months
Season 2 definitely suffered from creative surpression. The characters had a lot of potential, but nothing is really done with them. I think Kenny and Luke were the two highlights, just sad how lukes death is unceremonious. I think they really wanted Clementine to grow up fast and basically put her through the most traumatic situations ever to make her stronger. I remember playing this when I was 15 and crying almost every episode 😢
I'm surprised Clementine didn't break from any of this. It's like they kill some of these characters off and nobody really cares.
@@aletanookyou eventually get numb to it
I only cried in 2 episodes, and then reasons were kenny. The last one made me tear up twice, one for kenny talking to clem I'm the car and leaving kenny. I cried when I saw Kenny as well.
Wait, I didn’t even realise Bonnie could die there.
I just thought the only outcome of not helping Luke was that she hates you for essentially no reason.
The problems often boil down to the fact that if a character can die or live due to your choices, they must die at a later point no matter what because the main story doesn’t change that much. This is why characters like Nick and Alvin feel undeveloped for most people, you have the option to save them but you only get one or two extra scenes with them because they might be dead in other people’s savefiles.
I kind of had this problem with season 1 as well. It doesn't matter if you try to save duck or Shawn, because Shawn will die anyway. It doesn't matter if you save Doug or Carley, because whoever you save will get barely any screentime in episode 2, and will get shot by Lilly in episode 3. It doesn't matter if you take the food from the car because the stranger will kidnap clementine and try to kill you anyway.
I have never seen the ending where Clem and AJ go into Wellington and leave Kenny behind, but this is definitely the best ending.
I feel so lucky that's the ending I got the first time I played because it's literally the only good ending
Well never get the writting behind this season. Like why are grown adults essentially so dependant on a child. An 11 year old girl. Clementine being more emotionally and mentally sound than a group of....ADULTS just never made sense. Prior to Kenny there wasn't a real leader even with his trauma.
No matter how friendly a dog is, if you take it's food away then it will get aggressive, food aggression is nasty
“Your not you when your hungry”
Not totally true. Yes a good amount of dogs are food aggressive, but saying that every dog is would be a big stretch.
Not if you teach them early on as puppies. My dog Dixie, we taught her because we put things like eggs, chicken broth and all the good stuff for puppers in her bowl. We'd put it down with the normal food and then pick it up and put her good stuff in. Now at 2, she still doesn't get aggressive. She actually gets excited ready for some good food. As long as you know how to properly train and raise dogs, it should NEVER be an issue. I love watching her eyes get big and her wagging her tail. It's so cute 🥰
@@nevaehonrefni My dog just gets sad if you take his food
i could never shoot kenny.
The dog a behaviour may appear greedy, but the dog is starving and is sad. The dog lost his family and got skinny, so it is understandable that it got violent.
My entire issue with this season (and series in general) is that nothing you do matters. Play Clem as unsure or weak, always becomes an Edgelord. Save Alvin? He disappears early in episode 3. Save Nick? He becomes useless until he gets peaced in episode 4. Save Sarah? Dead before the end of the episode. Even the choice of who to save at the end of episode 5 doesn’t matter since Clem will always be alone at the start of New Frontier. The entire season just does not matter other than to establish the birth of AJ.
Clementine dream broke me 😢
I've heard no one mention how the car Jane left AJ in had an open windows. I've been in blizzards bad enough that the whole car would be filled with snow in minutes. That baby's dead.
Yeah, that's my biggest issue with anyone that takes Jane's side in the ending. She literally left a baby alone in a car in winter. She also didn't take into consideration what would happen if Clem sided against her. That they wouldn't know that AJ was in a car nearby and could've easily missed him or believed she left him to die. She endangered the life of a baby to prove a point.
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Arvo got what he deserved. He ambushed the group even if you didn't robbed him. Kenny has been 100% right.
Yes. The fact that he shoots Clem even if you defend him the whole time proves this. Good news is realistically he probably didn’t make it far on his own with the terrible weather and his busted leg
@@comeatmebro8120 he better wishes that Kenny finished the job
Agreed
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YES !!
the big problem with this series, and it started with season 2, was just how punishing it became. The more you had to watch this literal 11 year old deal with her injuries, tensions in the group, violence, the less you wanted to go on. at some point the story lost any sense of how it could end in a satisfying way and that makes the last season really hard to play, theres only one moment in the last game that i genuinely enjoyed (killing Lilly) and it ends in just an unsatisfying way.
Absopositively.
The best part of season 1 was how hopefully hopeless it was... And in s2 it felt like they went all in on hopelessness. So much senseless violence and nonsensical fighting.
In season 1, the most memorable moment for me is Lee finding his family died in the drug store, and committing to Clem as his new family slash daughter.
In season 2, the most memorable moments for me all involve horrible deaths or Clem stitching up her dog bite.
It was depression porn from the start, with the most predictable character cycle
Character gets introduced -> you get to know him just enough for his death to have at least a small emotional impact -> the character dies
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Season 2 for me was like the beginning of a downfall of this series, as the gimmick of "game is tailored how you play" began to lose importance. GCN's "Everything Wrong With" series about "Telltale Games The Walking Dead" -games highlight these issues in great detail.
Season 1 was so great, i didnt bother playing the rest up until years after
I am guessing you started playing bc of the new final season and you wanted to catch up
No I am so happy someone else finally said it, like the Luke glaze is CRAZY when the mf is one of the most incompetent and useless ones of the party, the only reason I assume ppl are so attached/like Luke is because hes nice to Clem and less annoying than alot of the rest, that and because he 'better' than Kenny who has completely lost it, but even so I'd still rather side with Kenny for the simple fact that atleast HE was the only one who actually did want the best for Clem and genuinely acted like a parent while the rest acted like complete assholes majority of the time or relied on this little ass girl like SHE was the adult leadin the group.
Luke was completely useless, semi nice to Clem which was ok and all, but at the end of the day Kenny was the lesser of all the evils and I have no idea why ppl glaze tf outta Luke or are even upset by his death, especially since a walker isnt even that danm strong or heavy so all Luke had to do was pry the walkers hand off his foot and swim back up, a death so forced its more funny than it is sad.
Nah I support Luke wrongs and rights. I’ll stay a certified Luke glazer till the day I die.
I know a lot if people get mad at Kenny for basically being worse than he was in season one but a lot of people seem to forget he was doing fine in his cabin with his friends. Its only until Luke and his merry band of fuck ups show up and ruin everything by bringing a psycho to his door and getting all of them but himself and his wife killed (and even then thats partly true due to the walkers attacking Howes that got Sarita killed).
And lets not forget Nick was the moron who shot a man who was not even a threat to them! These people literally ruined his life and then start acting like they know him and talk about how unhinged he is.
Well considering 90% of you idiots are relying on an 11 year old to do all of the dirty work for you. Half of you don't have a leg to stand on so zip it.
Ever since they got kidnapped Kenny has been trying to fix the situation he didnt even put them in. He's been like that since the start, being a family man and knowing kids are constantly in danger probably doesn't help him either. He loves Clem and AJ, sure he isnt always the most levelheaded, he's never been that but when the chips are down he did come to Clem's aid more than the rest of the useless sacks of meat Clem had the misfortune of running into.
No matter how Kenny's story ends in season 2 he always cares about Clem and her safety. He sacrifices time and time again for her and AJ. The wellington ending, the horrible season 3 ending, even thanking her when she decides to end his suffering. Kenny is a broken man in a messed up world but he was always there for the kids when it mattered.
And yes him getting mad at her about Sarita is irrational. He even knows that later on, man just lost his second wife and he was helpless to help her just like Kat. Man is spiralling but he tries to hold it together for the only people who matter to him which is Clem and AJ by the end of the season.
Kenny brutally beat a teen and a women, and caused endless fights and arguments. How can anyone defend his actions regardless of what hes been through. Hardships are not an excuse to act like a mad man and bring others down.
@@craighitchings6707 Stockholm syndrome.
kenny wasn’t out of order when he beat up arvo he lead them to a place farther away from their destination and mike glazed him the entire time even tho he was literally trying to kill them just yesterday and he pretty much killed luke with the ice even tho there’s food it’s solid and that can’t feed aj
It's infuriating how Clem is the only smart character in a group of adults, but I truly hated how Sarah was written. They teased of having her and Clem develop a friendship, but as soon Kenny comes to the picture, she's treated as annoyance and gets cruelly killed. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I feel like Kenny was added because of his popularity in the 1st season; he steals the spotlight away from everyone and it makes them feel very inconsequential and useless. It made the whole season a chore to go through with very little investment and it can be summed up as trauma porn.
Also, the pacing is a nightmare; season 1 had beefy episodes, but there was zero padding. You had time exploring and getting character development from everybody. Not only do the choices not matter, but, like you've said with characters like Nick, their arcs were resolved way too quickly. So it's not a surprise the writers had no clue what to do with them besides killing them off.
Hell yeah, good points mate. My recent little theory is that they dumbed down all characters to make Clem appear superior. Feel free to disagree with me, but it does not make sense how Clem would accumulate oddly high skills in survival and negotiation for a 12 years old. Sure, she learned stuff, but she is not Lee.
I love Kenny but sadly I have to kinda agree. It doesn't help how his story arc is basically a repeat from S1. E.g. he's in constant conflict with another character (Lily / Luke, Jane), he loses loved ones (family / Sarita) and goes into dark place lashing out at wrong people (Lee / Clementine), he develops a very strict plan about what the group should do (boat / Wellington), there's also a young guy who he takes his anger on (Ben / Arvo), but in the end he shows his heart is in the right place (sacrificing himself for Ben or Christa / sacrificing himself for the kids).
They put so much focus on Kenny and the same story beats from S1 to a point it became detrimental to other characters. Take Luke for example. They tried SO hard to just constantly pit him against Kenny, even when it made no sense for the character e.g. Luke had consistently been the one thinking Clem capable but then suddenly in ep 3 he goes like "what??? U seriously want her to do this?? That's ur plan??". It's like he was now only against it because it was something Kenny was promoting and the writers can't have them agreeing on anything. No wonder they ended up swapping Luke with Jane... and then proceeded to do really bad job there too. The obviously forced bonding with Jane already irritated me and then they made her an outright dumbass for pulling such a stupid stunt with the baby. Jane was supposed to be the survivalist type of character, yet she endangers all 4 remaining people just to "prove a point"? Ok then. Your drama/conflict was already annoying with the constant bickering (the arguments in S1 felt more organic) but then it also became contrived and stupid.
@@LeChoisi101 Indeed, the adults just constantly relying on Clem seriously annoyed me and messed with my immersion. I suspect the devs were struggling with the fact that this is still a game. Therefore they want the player feel like they have agency, that they are doing meaningful things... BUT instead of doing that in any organic way they just made all the adults feel like incompetent dumbasses. Like, bruh, if you wanted 12 year old to do everything in a believable manner then perhaps don't pair her up with a group of able-bodied supposedly mature adults (heck, one has a kid of his own). Her doing all this stuff would make more sense if she was traveling with someone who was incapacitated in some way. Or perhaps with someone who's just kinda reckless and unreliable, constantly leaving her to her own devices, therefore Clem would have to start relying on herself.
You actually can tell the group specifically Carlos and Rebecca that Pete got bit. The option is right there 25:42
I think Kenny had the best interest of the kids at mind, as much of a crazy man he could be instead of just instantly becoming selfless. Id like to think he was like that deep inside the selfish and violent man he could be.
Also would have liked for Nick to have died in the start of episode 5 with some good reason, maybe sacrificed himself to save somebody in the shooting.
Season 2 with Kenny felt like a Rollercoaster at first I hated how he was quick to anger but after realizing that he lost his family and left clem to take care of AJ I felt sorry for him, he went through so much to the point where he's so done with life, clem going out on her own meeting different groups and having a dream with Lee was heartbreaking.
Screw Jane. Horrible person.
I forgot about the random Russians 😅 that made no sense.
I feel those Russians were added just so Clementine's group had an conflict situation to deal with. What makes the situation more annoying is that even if you decide to give Arvo the medicine back that he had, he still claims later that Clementine and Jane robbed him.
@@Phantom.Gaming64 Even more confusing is that Clementine can reply that it was Jane who robbed Arvo and not anyone else in the group, apparently forgetting that not only didn't she rob Arvo but she returned his meds.
I think the writers genuinely forgot to account for that.
@@Takejiro24 It makes me feel that the last few episodes(4 and 5) of this season were rushed out the door to meet an release deadline. How some choices get accounted for properly, others result in same outcome either way or get ignored.
@Phantom.Gaming64 it wasn't that they were rushed, the og writers left around halfway through season 2 which is why there's a shift in focus and narrative
By far my least favorite season. I don't know why they made the choice of an 11 year old be the main protagonist, and make her do and take decisions for a whole group of adults. It's like every character was written way dumber than they actually were, just so that Clementine can do something. The scene where i got most pissed of for it was Luke's death, Bonnie kept blaming a kid for something she wasn't even supposed to be doing.
Because the adults are all babies and the eleven year old is the actual adult. This is what I hate about this game. They kill off all the likeable characters just to have the other adults abuse and betray a child. And because Clem is the protagonist and the writers are too lazy to develop some of these characters, Clem has to be the one to do all the dirty work and keep the peace of the irredeemable group.
i balled when luke died it never felt right
@@chloeb3114Prolly the only death out of the series that has had me genuinely mad since release. Like the fact Bonnie gets pissed at you for honoring Luke’s commands and the fact that he dies in that specific scene no matter what option you choose is annoying.
Clem went through shit when years ago, but Kenny went through worse. He witnessed his wife's suicide, he saw his son being put down, lost a whole ass eye, and now he put down Sarita again. He has every right to be done with everything. He hasn't and probably won't heal
Shit always fucked me up in the first episode when I’d realized Clem kicked the dog onto those spikes, but damn when Kenny shows up at the end of that one episode me and my mom were both excited as fuck (she would sit on the couch and actually watched me beat the first season cus we loved the walking dead) good times, wish telltale never went bankrupt
Telltale still exists even though they went bankrupt. A company named LCG ent. acquired their IPs and branding and they've already released a game called The Expanse and The Wolf Among Us 2 is supposed to drop sometime this year.
A dog attack can kill a person.
in the defense of arvo, apparently he does tell them multiple times to stop shooting, they have a baby in russian. the game barely bothered to translate ANY of the russian for players or even write it as subtitles to allow russian speakers to translate it easier for others. but he did try to stop the ambush and shooting
Pretty sure it was supposed to be luke and kenny but the devs changed their minds due to people feeling too many players would pick luke
27:00 Clem in season 3: I should take note of Do not think a gun is not loaded before I pressed the trigger.
Man i hope she takes that lesson to heart, wouldn't want any accidents would we?
Oh she KNEW it was loaded
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Does anyone notice how creepy and eerie the amid the ruins slide looks like?
the story wouldve been so much better if it was christa's baby ngl
24:26 "Unable to go through with it and bitches out," damn dude.
I love this season but its very obvious that there is a much was better story buried under all the crap we got.
The season doesnt have any time to breath. Season 1 allowed for a time skip in between episode 1, 2 and 3 before things shot into overdrive.
This season has no such time. Even after Carver captures you. You're there for 2 days. Then hes killed before episode 3 ends and the game struggles to find anything to do besides Kenny going nuts.
It just lack polish and the cast are woefully underdeveloped for it. Not to mention what this is trying to say is much harder to see. The first was about a man finding redemption in protecting a child. A cliche but effective story told well. The best i get from this game is an inverse of the first with Kenny being abusive and a negative impacy on Clem. It just doesnt hit as hard since Clem is the player character and makes her own choices. Including disagreeing with Kenny constantly.
The ending really doesn't matter in the long run.
The only impact these endings have is how clems character will look like.
Stay with kenny and get a small scar on your forehead
Stay with jane and get an "AJ" tattoo on your hand
Or go alone and lose a finger
The only reason i picked jane was for the tattoo bc it really didn't matter and the tattoo is pretty cool
The endings also determine how harden she is in season 3.
honestly shoutout to the last second redemption from Kenny in the wellington ending.
Ngl I would eat that dog. 2 years without meat? All I need is a little salt and bbq sauce.
But yeah this season was boring as hell. Probably the one I’ve played the least. Even A New Frontier which is regarded as the most ass season, at least between my friends, has more playtime than Season 2.
Where nick should've died was when they were ambushed and nick died protecting the group, then clem would be more determined saying arvo deserves it because the ambush killed nick. That's where people should hate on arvo: He got nick killed. Having no casualties in the Gunfight was anticlimatic. Nick should've had the scenes that mike had (boosting clem seen with mike) if nick lived. Nick should've saved Clem instead of Troy. Nick wasn't thought that much. also imagine his reaction seeing Luke and Jane too?
This right here would've shown actual character progression for Nick. From a rash idiot who caused problems for the group to a thoughtful hero. Instead, we don't really get that. Just an apology and then he dies.
@@aletanook it would’ve hurt Clem more if she went with Nick back in Episode 1
it's finally here
A thought about amputating Sarita: going off of the most prominent examples, Lee, Reggie, and Hershel, they were all amputated in relative safety and had medical supplies at the ready, so it's not too far fetched to assume that cutting of her hand was a bad idea. On the other hand, the ending of season 4 completely puts you in the right, and it's a much worse amputation at that. Honestly, I always though season 2 was a bit off, but now I know it's due to how contrived it is.
39:15 "Carver is fairly pragmatic and not the mustache twirling villain I was expecting at first. He doesn't immediately kill one of his own for screwing up."
This is contradicted by him literally killing Reggie over a fucking blueberry bush 💀
I think the idea is having to move past nostalgic attachment to Kenny, but they made every single member of the group so stupid, it loses all of what they were trying to go for
S2 might be disappointing in some ways but Kenny carried forsure.
Kenny and lee were the best characters and went through so much i always decided to go with kenny i never left him until the bitter end i just didnt want to leave him alone after all the loss he suffered
29:00 you had the option to tell them earlier Pete got bit but chose to say you guys got attacked by walkers (you show the clip of your choice earlier when showing Clementine return to the house)
Thank you was just about to say this, small mistakes caused what he thought was a plot hole, when it was really his own choices
BRO THE SOPRANOS REFERENCE AT 22:26 I thought I was going crazy for a second lol
it was very hurtful and really hurt his self esteem
Although he ends up dying a wreck. Staying with Kenny is the best choice. Not only due to the fact that his hat is never mentioned again if you stay. His off screen death from that ending is ass and ruins his character. At least the wreck death has some finality to it, and in a way sticks out among all the other deaths we witness
A Life is Strange review would be absolutely incredible, such a weird game
No
Life is.......so not fair
why not? @@Fleshlight_Reviewer
The first game is a masterpiece. The sequel is "Life is Politics"....
That game is such a drag but I’d be curious to see what he thinks about it
I never realized the easter egg shown at 42:05. Those posters in the comic book store are from Robert Kirkman’s other graphic novels, my favorite one being “OutCast”.
lack of option to treat arvo like he deserves to be treated and everyone is angry at clementine that she doesn't actively defend a guy who told his friends you stole from him
"everyone will remember that"
any other season after this and no comfirmation of arvo's brutal, painful and slow death that every single player demanded
Season 2s story was changed dramatically shortly before release apparently. The things that are in the game from the previous story, make the stuff that doesn’t make sense…make sense
The old script of season 2 is believed would’ve played more with the 400 day DLC characters. Wish we would’ve seen it’s script as it’s just speculation with some details
I remember when I first played this season and I wasn't a fan of Kenny as is. I wanted to give him a chance, but I just couldn't go along with his actions. In the end, I shot him during the fight and felt more comfortable with Jane. Up until she made it clear she manipulated the situation to prove a point.
Do I regret shooting Kenny? No, he had enough chances and it was clear how over the edge he was. But the fact it could've been avoided and I did what I felt was right for someone who manipulated me? I remember my exact reaction.
"Fuck you Jane. Fuck you and your manipulative ass. Im out of here and you can go die for all I care"
And so the ending I got was Clem going it alone.
same honestly I’m still salty over Jane lol
I was a wreck with that ending. I chose to shoot Kenny and it killed me inside but despite knowing what was going to happen, I was PISSED at Jane. Like she literally caused the entire damn thing to happen and manipulated everything.
After that I was more than ready to say fuck you to Jane and just move on with AJ. She proves how much she cared in S3 anyway. At least compared to Kenny if he lives.
Kenny carried this season hard as a side character, Luke had much potential as well but oh well.
Surprisingly, most of the Russians ('cept for that bald guy with a tattoo) actually speak Russian. And not a Hollywood gibberish
They do, but with awful accent 😬
Arvo is fine, but the rest of them like..meh
*Honest Thoughts* 💭
I honestly didn’t think Season 2 was a bad season. I really enjoyed the story concepts. While I agree that it felt like they killed off too many characters & choices didn’t feel like they had much impact at all. I still feel the story progression holds up very well. Carver is an interesting character & I feel like there was a lot of depth that could’ve been explored. For what we did get, Season 2 was great. What Season 1 did better was the adventure & the journey. You never ever felt truly safe in Season 1. Season 2 felt like there was more safety.
Is Season 2 as good as Season 1? No. Is it flawed? Absolutely. However, it gets a little too much hate. Clementine's character, the superb voice acting in general, and some story beats make it a solid if problematic follow up. I think because Season 1 was such a one of a kind masterpiece that Season 2 got a lot of flack for not living up to impossible odds. Few story driven games are as good as Season 1 so nothing was ever going to come close to matching its power.
Honestly, I didn't even realize it got any hate. The reviews were fantastic back in the day, and it's easily my favorite season due to how absolutely dark and nihilistic it is.
Funny enough, the devs confirmed the choice at the end Was supposed to be between Luke and Kenny originally, but the devs realized Luke was "too likeable". So basically the rationale that the TV show writers use for the characters.
Was waiting for this one thank you 🙏🏾
23:38 well yeah thats youre fault then isnt it? You clearly saw that pete was bit on his leg and went " Yep, im gonna save him because hes a better character!" Like what? "Oh i was soo disappointed he died straight away- WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? ANYONE WHO ISNT ACTUALLY BRAINLESS CHOSE NICK BECAUSE PETE WAS ALREADY DEAD!!
*Explaining Why It’s Not Unusual To Have Clementine Be Relied On By Adults*
I don’t know why some of you believe the adults relied on Clementine because the script called for it.
Clementine impressed the group when she survived in the shed. This made them realize that she’s a very strong girl. They looked up to her & Kenny further encouraged them to look towards Clementine because of Lee’s teachings. So, it’s not far fetched at all to see why Season 2 is written this way.
No matter how you look at it, there is no world where grown adults would put this much faith in an 11 year old. If they wanted the story to better facilitate Clem as the player character, they should've aged her up to be Sarah's age (15). Then she would be a place where people can doubt her for age but still be old enough that reliance on her isn't unbelievable.
The sopranos reference in this game is so funny "you never had the makings of a varsity athlete"
Howd they fumble this hard narratively i can never guess
No way in hell I just got spoiled that Howard dies in Spider-Man 2
13:03
"We never see Christa again"
No, we do. Her body is seen later. When Clem makes a run for it, we hear a gunshot. They shot her in the head. Clem tells Kenny that she died when she reunites with him
Never got to play the series however, the story's starting to get interesting and that's tragic how Kenny started crashing out towards the end. Definitely a sad ending but really well written character
I'm about 38 minutes through the video, i feel like you're focused too much on summarizing the events rather than giving your thoughts on the chapter. You need a more even split
It is really sad that the eleven year old girl the only capable and Emotionally Mature person in a group of adults.
Alr so Luke was supposed to fight Kenny in the finale however before episode 5 and during the season 2 hype some people made some “questionable” art about Luke and Clem and well it got very bad that Telltale noticed it and they to decided to kill him (Note: some people in the community shipped Luke and Clem and well Clem’s a minor so thats why)
NOBODY chooses not to hug Kenny
still watching the video but yes to a LIS video!!
Season 2 was so terrible it's obvious 2 wasn't originally planned
What an incredible video I would mean the world to me if you cover season 3 of the walking dead has your videos on the first two seasons are some of my favourites that you have made keep up the good 😊 work
S2 Kenny >S1 Kenny. Literally my favorite character in the series (Besides Clem)
Season 2 was the first of the telltale walking dead series I played. For me it will always atleast be a fun story. Logical, no but I had fun playing it.
despite this game being 10 (or 11) years old, i still review it to this day
Carlos is a fraud masquerading as a doctor. I''ll give him props for fooling the group though gota do what you gota do to survive
great vid and great InColdBlood shoutout, he has a great channel.
I've said it before, but The Wolf Among Us is a great followup if you like the first 2 The Walking Dead seasons. It's a mix of them with GTA Vice City's style, and it's definitely worth picking up on Steam and trying out.
Great retrospective! By the way, the Rick show really has been pretty good so far!
honestly the ending where they split at wellington is as heart-wrenching to me as the ending of the first season. plus, i like the idea of them being able to meet again in the future (not that it's a thing that ever happens, but it could have if they wanted to. oh man, how wild if the 4th season had lilly AND kenny again, years later?)
I liked saison 2 very much, despite all stupidity and obvious cut, the first things that was SO stupid is getting rid of Christa, Clem spent more time with christa than Lee, Christa have grown on me, and I would loved her to continue with maybe she could get killed by carver?, the complete wasted potiental of Carver as a villain, the first plan of getting attacked by the 400days group dlc instead of the russians, and the unforivable death of Luke we could have end the season with Kenny luke left alive instead of having a choice, choice in end of season automacitly mean that the character will die in the next season obviously. the season 3 felt like it wasnt even the same game, character that no one Gave a F, anyway
I just noticed that mike is one of the guys that attacked Christa and clem