It seems the kids that grew up playing with Transformers, have grown up to become RV floorplan designers. I was excited about the hidden room, until I realized it doesn't have enough weight capacity to hold the dead bodies. For the love of cheeses, by the time you add enough solar to run the stove off grid, you'd hardly be able to add a pint of milk and a sandwich. Kudos to Forest River for trying something new, but I betcha ya ain't gonna see it on the same platform next year. Gotta love your honesty on pointing out the negs along with the pros. Thank you for being you!
I really like that it's a dual twin (without head-knocker bunk above)!! So incredibly hard to find other than bust-the-bank Airstreams nowadays. Bunk slide is interesting. The payload is deal breaker imo. If I was to camp when needing to bring full fresh water, leaves literally 100 lbs for cargo, food, supplies. Complete and utter failure in design. Thanks for the great perspective and time spent showing everything off!
as a single person looking to live in an RV. I love the slide out bedroom/office/walk-in closet. That way I can store all my extra stuff and live as a single woman in comfort.
This one is very unique! Not for me but I can see the strengths of it. I would Love to find twin beds in a dbl axel trailer!! Thanks Josh...Always a pleasure to watch your tours...the BEST!!! 😊
@JoshtheRVNerd This was Awesome! My ONLY complaint is 3 burner cooktop ..it would be a TOP contender for me if it had a slightly smaller sink and a 2 burner Cooktop so I could have a Little countertop space. Love it otherwise!! THANKS Josh!!
Thanks Josh! I haven't seen this model in person yet, but I love it. I will see it next week on the industry day at the Tampa RV Show. Looking forward to it!
Wow, it's amazing that you get all of this in under 24 feet. I like the twin beds and wish more manufacturers offered this option. The portable speaker is also very nice. The biggest drawback I see on this model is that a size 10 shoe will not hold the hidden door open 😂 . You were on your A game today, and thanks for a great review.
All the windows are amazing! They make it look some much bigger, and all the natural light is perfect. I think the hidden room is great, I'm a fan of versitility. But I think it really needs to be seen in person to fully appreciate it. While the fan in there is loud, it would be excellent white noise and would block some of the outside noise. The bedroom really needs that window coverage, it seems pretty tight, esp in king bed mode. 2 sewer outlets? It seems like they could have done something about that. We've seen larger RVs with a single outlet. It would be interesting to see a comparison between the basic stick and tin vs the premier/black label/upgraded edition. Of any RVs. Not a dual review, just a quick walk-thru pointing out the differences.
This is kinda cool in a weird sort of way. I would love to see one exactly the same without the bonus room/slide. Keep the visible stuff, the tv setup, and cabinets. With the single/twin beds, this would be an awesome solo camper. Now that I've watched the whole video, 420 CCC??? WOW. It really needs to be a tandem axle. If FSX division isn't allowed to do it, then it needs to go to one that is.
It’s interesting I’ll give it that. I only like the twin bed/king combo. Needs kitchen counters and drawers. Bathroom shower is not great. Bunk space could be useful for some but until they get the weight figured out….. thanks for your honesty Josh. Your amazing.
A fireplace in the entertainment center would be nice. Twin beds are great, but theater seating would be a good option. Honesty is hard to find now a days. Thank you again for your honest reviews!
I have last years model. Before the end of the summer the hidden "door" already started to sag and rub on the floor. I removed it and just put in a really narrow shelving unit and a retractable mesh pet gate, since I use it for the dogs. That room also get very hot if the door is closed, so I switch the fans around so the top one blows out the hot air and the bottom one in the TV cabinet draws cool air from the floor in and added some small 2" round vents to the sides of the cabinet. Now it stays cool. It is amazing to have a separate area for the pups, so they are not always under foot in small space like my last camper.
@JoshtheRVNerd Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love this set-up and every RV needs some tweaks especially with such a new innovative design. I found I was leaving that door open most of the time, so when it started to sag I figured the shelving unit made more sense.
@ mainly the weight. I like this model, but reduced weight for loading it is a huge hindrance. Yes I could get the other model without the front window, but I like the window. And I don’t know to go about it, but it definitely needs some drawers. I do love the extra bunk room.
In 6+ years of owning our current camper, we've used the oven maybe 2 times. We do use our u-shape dinette multiple times every day. We've watched TV or movies maybe dozen or so times. I like the Zelda bunks, but I don't know that I'd want to live with them.
Love the residential looking floorplan with a comfortable sofa👍but, it definitely needs a standard TV to watch while sitting on the sofa on a cold rainy day or night🫤2 propane tanks, an improvement of the dangerous CCC😳and a decent porcelain toilet that can handle 4 butts😂Right, Anton💥🚽💥
Hey Josh, I love the layout of this one. Although as it is pretty much perfect on the inside because I like the twin beds and I really like the possible office space being that I’m a travel nurse. I totally agree with you that this thing looks freaking amazing. And I do agree with you that the cargo weights kind of suck. And if I had my magic wand, I would put another axle on it. That would make sense. Might cost a little bit more, but my guess is you could probably add more weight to the cargo. But overall very few grips and moans. And yes, I would love Jayco or somebody else to take a stab at this as well. Great video, buddy. Keep Rockin it Josh
Such cool features I really wanted to,like it! There’s so many cool,things about it that would be fun for camping solo, but just a few features are a no-go for me.
Things I dig a LOT: short RV, light, bedroom/bathroom layout, big TV space, couch only (no dinette). I like the idea of the twin beds with the front half of the mid-mattress in use, would allow of bit of (somewhat awkward) cuddling, our dog to get around, and could be converted to full king if need be. So take this concept and run! Things this armchair RV'er would like to see tried: get rid of the slide, make the couch longer, long enough that it could sleep a 6' tall adult as a skinny twin WITHOUT having to fold out (maximize durability and comfort!). Give me a better sink, add a proper oven. Sacrifice a few inches of living room/kitchen to get full length beds. To accomplish all of this, move the entrance to the rear center, so the whole thing becomes one long hallway. Put the kitchen sink next to the shower (moving the couch and TV to the back) so it could all be plumbed together (eliminating the 2-headed sewer monster). And I don't think I saw, but is there storage under the beds? Rear door opens the opportunity for a fold down patio. Combined with some clever engineering, could call it a pseudo toy hauler, shoving some kayaks up the long central hallway? And a dual axle... just makes things feel safer in the event of a blowout and give PLENTY of weight limit overhead :D
Great review, Josh. The good, bad and ugly. Excited to see twin setup in bedroom and it was well done, but the bathroom, kitchen and weird room left me scratching my head. Even just for a couples camper, I just wanted to move all that around to make it work right. Right for me, anyway. Can't wait for the next review!
I feel like the RV was built exclusively around that hidden room concept. It kind of feels like it shoehorns the rest of the RV into different directions Here's a few others without that hidden room: ► 163RDSK with Desk: ua-cam.com/video/Xq0-jGDl0t8/v-deo.html ► 169RSK with Bed Slide: ua-cam.com/video/HLHA1yDbwac/v-deo.html ► 161QK with No Slides: ua-cam.com/video/5Rdf-TdbSIg/v-deo.html They also have another hidden room model I actually prefer: ► 162VIEW ua-cam.com/video/mb0wOUOgWH0/v-deo.html
I LOVE IT. After years looking for a couple camper this is it. It just under my vehicle weight. Love the twin beds and the best, the hidden walk in closet. There is enough room for his and hers hanging cloths and enough room for drawers for clothes. Just would like a little lighter, put my SUV can pull it. Thanks for showing the actual weight, I have to be able to carry my coffee machine, that would put me over. Great design, I do prefer double axel.
Remember you want to pair a vehicle/trailer based on both of their MAXIMUM weights • aka the vehicle's max tow rating vs the RV's max weight rating (GVWR) People seem to want to pair the vehicle tow rating against the RV's minimum/empty weight. You want max-to-max not max-to-min
Since ya asked… This is a Fantastic Concept with plenty of Desirable attributes. And although I LOVE the -widows -split bedroom concept -multi use slide -the look -rear Kitchen The concept has been utterly & completely applied to the wrong class of Camper?🤨 Give her another Axle, double Azdel, Aluminum Bones & call it a day! Think this concept on Heartlands North Trail line would kill it! The Wide Axle stance they have might even allow for small slide on the Camp side elevating the tight feel a bit.
The whole hidden room concept began in tandem axles in the larger wildwoods. The FSX little division was tasked with finding a way to "make it work" but it's tough in small rigs
Really like this camper Except for the low cargo capacity Definitely needs a 2nd axle Absolutely love the road mode And being a 2 headed sewer monster sucks for the size Keep up the fantastic work Nerd
That main, rear bed is aaaaaall bed. Who's to say you just don't use it east/west and have 7.5 foot long bed. Nice! I'd love to see this floorplan without that bunk room...maybe open up that slide to other options.
They flirted with the idea of just making it a private east/west bed but then you basically literally have to climb into the bedroom and they still wanted some walking space
Love when Manufacturers come up with a floorplan out of the box. It is a Tardis of a travel trailer, tons of space! I do wish they would have put in the fridge that can open from either left or right but other than that small critique, BIg Fan
The 72 hr policy is unexpected. 😊 Perhaps that means Bish's tries to help customers make informed choices and the likely hood of a customer having to use that perk is very low. Awesome! I like the concept of this floor layout. I am not a fan of the twin beds fitting up to the walls. I imagine that the beds are hard to make and/or make straight and nice. A two headed sewer monster is not a highlight. I feel that the one axle, one propane tank Travel Trailers should come standard with an electric space heater. Maximize the propane for cooking. Thank you for your in depth information. Its very educational and entertaining. Keep on rockin' it! 👍 🤘
FSX is a funny sub-division of the "Wildwood" family. Historically they were not allowed to make 2-axle RVs unless it had a ramp door/toy hauler function The "Wildwood" and "Wildwood X-Lite" family is actually a separate division and basically FSX was only allowed to make "styles" of RVs Wildwood/Xlite wasnt That has changed recently. FSX can now make non-ramp 2-axle RVs but they have to be different from whatever WW/XL is doing It's weird and 100% NOT obvious to a customer
I wish I had $ for the things my hubs and I did for space in our tiny campers before the manufacturers figured it out! Those black square bins I’ve been using in my Jayco Jayfeather for 10 years!! Those round pop up laundry baskets that are all the rage we started using in our first 19’ In 2009!
Are there any differences between the Salem version and this Wildwood version? In general, is one product line superior to the other (Salem vs Wildwood)?
Only the stickers on the outside. They're 100% identical products Salem/Wildwood Rockwood/Flagstaff Sierra/Sandpiper Springdale/Hideout Starcraft/Open Range Catalina/Aurora Heritage Glen/Hemisphere Those are all clones of one another made by the same people in the same places with the same standards and same base pricing
The base package cargo weight is a no go. If they did this on a dual wheel base, thereby increasing cargo capacity, I could see this for myself doing a work from home camping trip.
Bunk bedrooms is at the top of my list for my next camper, but the ventilation needs some work as that would be real toasty in the Summer. Only 420lbs of cargo is....something.
This is really cool. It’s not perfect, but as I pick out a problem, I just think “it’s not that important, I guess”, so I could get past most of them😮! I’d get some of the portable tables for eating, rather than those swivel things, because I could use them as extra counter space, and they could just stack somewhere out of the way when not in use. Not great storage, with the trade-off between cupboards or windows. But I really like the window for the kitchen area., It’s definitely something I’d consider. #nerdherd .#rvnerdherd😊
I kinda feel the same. I often point out nitpicks like outside speakers or missing trash can spaces But.. I can deal with that stuff. I'm not super picky _overall_ about the RVs I would personally use. There are a few though I've looked at and just been like "man.. for me.. that's a stupid camper" lol
@ the one thing I do know, is I’d bloody love one!! Hubby, daughter etc, their idea of camping is a b&b🤣, but my son and I, with the grandkids, we’d definitely use one. I’d let him drive, I’ve never pulled an RV but he has. After tent camping since I was a kid, and his wild camping with his 2 eldest, a basic camper would be luxury, so I look at these videos and critique the vans, as how I’d ideally want one, but also if I have anything negative or positive to say about them. I always try to comment as I think it shows appreciation for what you’re doing, even if it’s only a few words #nerdherd #rvnerdherd
Well first I am single and looking for small 1/2 ton towable and sometimes may want to have my sister come with so may have only one bed not really wanting to sleep in the same bed so love the split beds. The slide would be nice to have storage and tv to the back of the slide for more space when opened but don’t need extra bunks. All that but it still has me interested because it is the only split bed I have seen
I enjoy your videos and I am wondering you have transferred to these small trailers exclusively? Seems like forever since you have done any larger campers. Should I look for another channel to see these?
I generally keep a variety of things. Here's some larger stuff that's come out in just the past few weeks Hideout ua-cam.com/video/lC6Qie1cO1w/v-deo.html Influence ua-cam.com/video/oDv5UnXd8eg/v-deo.html Reflection ua-cam.com/video/kAvtoakLKuE/v-deo.html Rockwood ua-cam.com/video/q5gTpdEpB80/v-deo.html Imagine ua-cam.com/video/gLPXJthR4fU/v-deo.html Huge Jay Flight ua-cam.com/video/-us_-_Tsgl4/v-deo.html
What do you lose with a non-platinum edition? You mentioned nose cap and solar. Anything else? Sometimes looking at the links its hard to tell. Is TPMS available? (single axle)
I recently came across an older model that I really liked the layout and was wondering if anyone else made (or even better, makes) a similar floorplan? It's the Highland Ridge Open Range UT2510BH from 2018-19. I really like the private kids and parents room, and the relatively small size/weight. This one reminded me of that, except for the open front bedroom and unusable cargo capacity.
It's beautiful! I want it...but it needs to be able to carry more weight. I have a Wildwood 170SS FSX that has just over 600 pounds cargo capacity and I bump up against the limit on that way too often. This is a non starter. The stick and tin model though.
talking about what you think. privacy shades should come from bottom screens from top not so very often. think about it. you can raise privacy and have gap at top not bottom
I'm stuggling to find the weight limits and dimesions for the hidden room beds. The specs for the 162 and 165 do not list LxW... Disappointing! Kids won't stay little forever. How fast till that room feels like a cave?
Real talk: So am I. Our local folks can easily get a tape measure and get you dimensions but we have yet to ever be provided a "max weight in the slide" spec from the MFG. Which makes me think they haven't actually tested it For a kid or two sleeping i'm not worried But some folks may see that as cargo space and THAT could be an issue
It's...something. Definitely not for us, even though we're a family of three. And the storage being so little is disappointing as is the weight. But there's a customer for everything!
Or a less deep slide that serves as pantry/wardrobe only. Or for an e-bike. Very functional liveable floor plan! Like to see plush theater seats and roller shades in a 'Platinum Edition '. Amazing 🤩
I really want to like this RV TT. But the low CCC is a big drawback. I'd have to get a good look to see what weight I could shave off. Because it's about 500lbs light on the CCC. Granted, I can put that weight in my vehicle easily enough. So, I'm reserving my review until I can get a look and give my 10lbs in a 5lb bag review. HOWEVER - I will say that there is potential. Thanks for the video walk through!
Here to join what I'm sure will be a chorus of comments, "it'd be great without the slide." I'm actually surprised there are so few twin bed floorplans from the bigger companies considering they're so popular with brands like Airstream, Oliver, Safari, etc.
Top themes seem to be... ► wow this is cool ► Weird but ok ► needs 2nd axle ► take out the bunks and push the tv area back to open the space ► Just get rid of the slide
20:22 that cargo is not going to work. Thank you for being upfront with that. And that 72 hour return policy is amazing. Edit: I went back and looked at the pricing and specifications. I didn’t realize this was a 16 footer. So I guess it’s not awful for a single axle with fiberglass. I’ll look on your website and your links For something comparable or slightly bigger. Thanks nerd.
It seems the kids that grew up playing with Transformers, have grown up to become RV floorplan designers. I was excited about the hidden room, until I realized it doesn't have enough weight capacity to hold the dead bodies. For the love of cheeses, by the time you add enough solar to run the stove off grid, you'd hardly be able to add a pint of milk and a sandwich. Kudos to Forest River for trying something new, but I betcha ya ain't gonna see it on the same platform next year. Gotta love your honesty on pointing out the negs along with the pros. Thank you for being you!
hahaha you're actually not really all that far off. Love your humor btw. I feel like we'd get along well around a campfire
"Hail Mary...." 😅 you are so funny. I love your honesty about the ups and downs of your explanation.
☺ Ty so much for paying us a visit here :)
That big window and tv placement means out by the campfire and still able to watch the game !
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I really like that it's a dual twin (without head-knocker bunk above)!! So incredibly hard to find other than bust-the-bank Airstreams nowadays. Bunk slide is interesting.
The payload is deal breaker imo. If I was to camp when needing to bring full fresh water, leaves literally 100 lbs for cargo, food, supplies. Complete and utter failure in design.
Thanks for the great perspective and time spent showing everything off!
Yeah that CCC is rough
as a single person looking to live in an RV. I love the slide out bedroom/office/walk-in closet. That way I can store all my extra stuff and live as a single woman in comfort.
Just keep in mind this one has really limited cargo capacity
But there are other similar "hidden room" models out there
Yes so very good
@@JoshtheRVNerd Oooh can you post some links?
This is the coolest little camper I've seen in a LONG time.
I actually prefer the 162VIEW layout myself but this is definitely interesting
That’s a fantastic layout! The twin beds are what sets it apart! Thank you Josh!
yeah i mean.. MOST of this camper is pretty unique I think
Love the sofa looks like a comfortable seat not mashed between refrigerator and booth. Needs a second axle!
2nd axle appears to be THE top request
This is great layout for such a small trailer.
It’s super unique and fun
I really like this model, I just wish it was a foot longer in the bedroom with another axle under it. Then it would be perfect!
Super common request
@JoshtheRVNerd 🤣😂
This one is very unique! Not for me but I can see the strengths of it. I would Love to find twin beds in a dbl axel trailer!! Thanks Josh...Always a pleasure to watch your tours...the BEST!!! 😊
They're out there but so rare. Try this: ua-cam.com/video/Haa82yg0kH0/v-deo.html
@JoshtheRVNerd This was Awesome! My ONLY complaint is 3 burner cooktop ..it would be a TOP contender for me if it had a slightly smaller sink and a 2 burner Cooktop so I could have a Little countertop space. Love it otherwise!! THANKS Josh!!
Thanks Josh! I haven't seen this model in person yet, but I love it. I will see it next week on the industry day at the Tampa RV Show. Looking forward to it!
Let me know what you think of it!
Wow, it's amazing that you get all of this in under 24 feet. I like the twin beds and wish more manufacturers offered this option. The portable speaker is also very nice. The biggest drawback I see on this model is that a size 10 shoe will not hold the hidden door open 😂 . You were on your A game today, and thanks for a great review.
Yeah twins are crazy rare
Best layout by far
Wow! Glad you like it
All the windows are amazing! They make it look some much bigger, and all the natural light is perfect.
I think the hidden room is great, I'm a fan of versitility. But I think it really needs to be seen in person to fully appreciate it. While the fan in there is loud, it would be excellent white noise and would block some of the outside noise.
The bedroom really needs that window coverage, it seems pretty tight, esp in king bed mode.
2 sewer outlets? It seems like they could have done something about that. We've seen larger RVs with a single outlet.
It would be interesting to see a comparison between the basic stick and tin vs the premier/black label/upgraded edition. Of any RVs. Not a dual review, just a quick walk-thru pointing out the differences.
This is kinda cool in a weird sort of way. I would love to see one exactly the same without the bonus room/slide. Keep the visible stuff, the tv setup, and cabinets. With the single/twin beds, this would be an awesome solo camper. Now that I've watched the whole video, 420 CCC??? WOW. It really needs to be a tandem axle. If FSX division isn't allowed to do it, then it needs to go to one that is.
I'm basically nodding my head with everything I see here. TY for sharing
It’s interesting I’ll give it that. I only like the twin bed/king combo. Needs kitchen counters and drawers. Bathroom shower is not great. Bunk space could be useful for some but until they get the weight figured out….. thanks for your honesty Josh. Your amazing.
I appreciate your kindness. I sure try!
A fireplace in the entertainment center would be nice. Twin beds are great, but theater seating would be a good option. Honesty is hard to find now a days. Thank you again for your honest reviews!
Fireplace could definitely be nice and toasty
I have last years model. Before the end of the summer the hidden "door" already started to sag and rub on the floor. I removed it and just put in a really narrow shelving unit and a retractable mesh pet gate, since I use it for the dogs. That room also get very hot if the door is closed, so I switch the fans around so the top one blows out the hot air and the bottom one in the TV cabinet draws cool air from the floor in and added some small 2" round vents to the sides of the cabinet. Now it stays cool. It is amazing to have a separate area for the pups, so they are not always under foot in small space like my last camper.
Well that sucks. TY for sharing this though. I like REAL information
@JoshtheRVNerd Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love this set-up and every RV needs some tweaks especially with such a new innovative design. I found I was leaving that door open most of the time, so when it started to sag I figured the shelving unit made more sense.
There is a lot to like about this camper. But there definitely are some no gos with it. Needs some rethinking and tweaking. On the fence for sure.
May I ask what you'd change?
@ mainly the weight. I like this model, but reduced weight for loading it is a huge hindrance. Yes I could get the other model without the front window, but I like the window. And I don’t know to go about it, but it definitely needs some drawers. I do love the extra bunk room.
In 6+ years of owning our current camper, we've used the oven maybe 2 times. We do use our u-shape dinette multiple times every day. We've watched TV or movies maybe dozen or so times. I like the Zelda bunks, but I don't know that I'd want to live with them.
Totally get that. TY for sharing your perspective as an owner
Thanks for the tour, Uncle Josh!
My pleasure!
Oh man, if we only had two kids instead of three this would be perfect. Love this floor plan, nice to see them so something different and interesting.
Tell the kids to paper, rock, scissors for the winner
@@JoshtheRVNerd Or just Ebay one! 😛
This is my favorite layout ever
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I have the oldest wildwood and it's ok don't need the new stuff just repair and modify
Those fabric containers are a great idea for toting things from the house to the RV or visa versa. Thanks Josh! BTW you're not an idiot.
I AM SO! 🤪
LOL
I really like this. Regarding the slide out can add lots more storage
Just keep in mind the RV's VERY limited cargo weight rating
Love the residential looking floorplan with a comfortable sofa👍but, it definitely needs a standard TV to watch while sitting on the sofa on a cold rainy day or night🫤2 propane tanks, an improvement of the dangerous CCC😳and a decent porcelain toilet that can handle 4 butts😂Right, Anton💥🚽💥
Love this one.
It's a super fun little camper
We had considered this one! Super cute inside! Ended up getting a 2020 apex nano. But I really loved this one!
Which model?
LOVE it! I would prefer the double axle, but I like it a LOT.
Seems to be the #1 request for srue
That's a very nice sweet looking little camper
TY Paul!
Hey Josh, I love the layout of this one. Although as it is pretty much perfect on the inside because I like the twin beds and I really like the possible office space being that I’m a travel nurse. I totally agree with you that this thing looks freaking amazing. And I do agree with you that the cargo weights kind of suck. And if I had my magic wand, I would put another axle on it. That would make sense. Might cost a little bit more, but my guess is you could probably add more weight to the cargo. But overall very few grips and moans. And yes, I would love Jayco or somebody else to take a stab at this as well. Great video, buddy. Keep Rockin it Josh
2nd axle is almost always the #1 request I get on these FSX models
TY for sharing!!
hidden compartment would be great for storing folding Ebikes :D
I could totally see that
Such cool features I really wanted to,like it! There’s so many cool,things about it that would be fun for camping solo, but just a few features are a no-go for me.
What hits the brakes for you?
Things I dig a LOT: short RV, light, bedroom/bathroom layout, big TV space, couch only (no dinette). I like the idea of the twin beds with the front half of the mid-mattress in use, would allow of bit of (somewhat awkward) cuddling, our dog to get around, and could be converted to full king if need be.
So take this concept and run! Things this armchair RV'er would like to see tried: get rid of the slide, make the couch longer, long enough that it could sleep a 6' tall adult as a skinny twin WITHOUT having to fold out (maximize durability and comfort!). Give me a better sink, add a proper oven. Sacrifice a few inches of living room/kitchen to get full length beds. To accomplish all of this, move the entrance to the rear center, so the whole thing becomes one long hallway. Put the kitchen sink next to the shower (moving the couch and TV to the back) so it could all be plumbed together (eliminating the 2-headed sewer monster). And I don't think I saw, but is there storage under the beds?
Rear door opens the opportunity for a fold down patio. Combined with some clever engineering, could call it a pseudo toy hauler, shoving some kayaks up the long central hallway?
And a dual axle... just makes things feel safer in the event of a blowout and give PLENTY of weight limit overhead :D
yeah dual axle is the #1 request on this it seems
Wow looks nice right off the bat
ty!
Great review, Josh. The good, bad and ugly. Excited to see twin setup in bedroom and it was well done, but the bathroom, kitchen and weird room left me scratching my head. Even just for a couples camper, I just wanted to move all that around to make it work right. Right for me, anyway. Can't wait for the next review!
I feel like the RV was built exclusively around that hidden room concept. It kind of feels like it shoehorns the rest of the RV into different directions
Here's a few others without that hidden room:
► 163RDSK with Desk: ua-cam.com/video/Xq0-jGDl0t8/v-deo.html
► 169RSK with Bed Slide: ua-cam.com/video/HLHA1yDbwac/v-deo.html
► 161QK with No Slides: ua-cam.com/video/5Rdf-TdbSIg/v-deo.html
They also have another hidden room model I actually prefer:
► 162VIEW ua-cam.com/video/mb0wOUOgWH0/v-deo.html
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks for your quick feedback, Josh and for the other models. You've got a great channel.
I LOVE IT. After years looking for a couple camper this is it. It just under my vehicle weight. Love the twin beds and the best, the hidden walk in closet. There is enough room for his and hers hanging cloths and enough room for drawers for clothes. Just would like a little lighter, put my SUV can pull it. Thanks for showing the actual weight, I have to be able to carry my coffee machine, that would put me over. Great design, I do prefer double axel.
Remember you want to pair a vehicle/trailer based on both of their MAXIMUM weights • aka the vehicle's max tow rating vs the RV's max weight rating (GVWR)
People seem to want to pair the vehicle tow rating against the RV's minimum/empty weight. You want max-to-max not max-to-min
I seriously want to know how you did the transition from regular to wide angle mode in the bedroom! That was pretty! I want to use that!
I seriously do too.. my editor is a wizard
Since ya asked…
This is a Fantastic Concept with plenty of Desirable attributes.
And although I LOVE the
-widows
-split bedroom concept
-multi use slide
-the look
-rear Kitchen
The concept has been utterly & completely applied to the wrong class of Camper?🤨
Give her another Axle, double Azdel, Aluminum Bones & call it a day!
Think this concept on Heartlands North Trail line would kill it! The Wide Axle stance they have might even allow for small slide on the Camp side elevating the tight feel a bit.
The whole hidden room concept began in tandem axles in the larger wildwoods. The FSX little division was tasked with finding a way to "make it work" but it's tough in small rigs
Really like this camper Except for the low cargo capacity Definitely needs a 2nd axle Absolutely love the road mode And being a 2 headed sewer monster sucks for the size Keep up the fantastic work Nerd
2nd axle is the resounding request for sure
Could work as a solo camper. Quirky, I love it.
I think this weird thing could work a number of ways
That main, rear bed is aaaaaall bed. Who's to say you just don't use it east/west and have 7.5 foot long bed. Nice! I'd love to see this floorplan without that bunk room...maybe open up that slide to other options.
They flirted with the idea of just making it a private east/west bed but then you basically literally have to climb into the bedroom and they still wanted some walking space
Love when Manufacturers come up with a floorplan out of the box. It is a Tardis of a travel trailer, tons of space! I do wish they would have put in the fridge that can open from either left or right but other than that small critique, BIg Fan
Awesome! Glad you like it. FSX is a super creative little brand
The 72 hr policy is unexpected. 😊 Perhaps that means Bish's tries to help customers make informed choices and the likely hood of a customer having to use that perk is very low. Awesome! I like the concept of this floor layout. I am not a fan of the twin beds fitting up to the walls. I imagine that the beds are hard to make and/or make straight and nice. A two headed sewer monster is not a highlight. I feel that the one axle, one propane tank Travel Trailers should come standard with an electric space heater. Maximize the propane for cooking. Thank you for your in depth information. Its very educational and entertaining. Keep on rockin' it! 👍 🤘
I won't claim we are perfect
But man.. we do try
Thanks Nerd! It lost me at the weights and measure for Platinum. Maybe they can keep the same floor plan and length, but add an axle in the future?
FSX is a funny sub-division of the "Wildwood" family. Historically they were not allowed to make 2-axle RVs unless it had a ramp door/toy hauler function
The "Wildwood" and "Wildwood X-Lite" family is actually a separate division and basically FSX was only allowed to make "styles" of RVs Wildwood/Xlite wasnt
That has changed recently. FSX can now make non-ramp 2-axle RVs but they have to be different from whatever WW/XL is doing
It's weird and 100% NOT obvious to a customer
One of the main reasons I prefer a slide is for the extra space, so for me this doesn’t flip the flapjacks. It just doesn’t feel that spacious.
Totally 100% fair. Try this one instead perhaps ua-cam.com/video/Xq0-jGDl0t8/v-deo.html
I wish I had $ for the things my hubs and I did for space in our tiny campers before the manufacturers figured it out! Those black square bins I’ve been using in my Jayco Jayfeather for 10 years!! Those round pop up laundry baskets that are all the rage we started using in our first 19’ In 2009!
Yeah those little cloth tote bin things are amazing
Are there any differences between the Salem version and this Wildwood version? In general, is one product line superior to the other (Salem vs Wildwood)?
Only the stickers on the outside. They're 100% identical products
Salem/Wildwood
Rockwood/Flagstaff
Sierra/Sandpiper
Springdale/Hideout
Starcraft/Open Range
Catalina/Aurora
Heritage Glen/Hemisphere
Those are all clones of one another made by the same people in the same places with the same standards and same base pricing
Wood love that with dual axle which might give it more cargo space? I'd like to see the Jay Feather version. TY
Yeah another axle would help
Though if that were added, then the MFG is always inclined to also make the RV larger
Needs cabinet doors for sure on that door with the open shelves.
TY
The base package cargo weight is a no go. If they did this on a dual wheel base, thereby increasing cargo capacity, I could see this for myself doing a work from home camping trip.
Totally fair
@ I do like the twin beds though! and the slide out would be a brilliant wee office and art space.
They could do a partial slideout for The sofa to open it up some. I like them thinking out of the box but it feela claustrophobic to me
fully loaded with water, that leaves about 500# for cargo.
needs a second axel to be really useful
The ccc is a problem for anyone but park comp minimalists for sure
Bunk bedrooms is at the top of my list for my next camper, but the ventilation needs some work as that would be real toasty in the Summer. Only 420lbs of cargo is....something.
420lbs of cargo isn't a LOT of something though lol
@@JoshtheRVNerd exactly lol
This is really cool. It’s not perfect, but as I pick out a problem, I just think “it’s not that important, I guess”, so I could get past most of them😮! I’d get some of the portable tables for eating, rather than those swivel things, because I could use them as extra counter space, and they could just stack somewhere out of the way when not in use. Not great storage, with the trade-off between cupboards or windows. But I really like the window for the kitchen area.,
It’s definitely something I’d consider. #nerdherd .#rvnerdherd😊
I kinda feel the same. I often point out nitpicks like outside speakers or missing trash can spaces
But.. I can deal with that stuff. I'm not super picky _overall_ about the RVs I would personally use. There are a few though I've looked at and just been like "man.. for me.. that's a stupid camper" lol
@ the one thing I do know, is I’d bloody love one!! Hubby, daughter etc, their idea of camping is a b&b🤣, but my son and I, with the grandkids, we’d definitely use one. I’d let him drive, I’ve never pulled an RV but he has. After tent camping since I was a kid, and his wild camping with his 2 eldest, a basic camper would be luxury, so I look at these videos and critique the vans, as how I’d ideally want one, but also if I have anything negative or positive to say about them.
I always try to comment as I think it shows appreciation for what you’re doing, even if it’s only a few words #nerdherd #rvnerdherd
Well first I am single and looking for small 1/2 ton towable and sometimes may want to have my sister come with so may have only one bed not really wanting to sleep in the same bed so love the split beds. The slide would be nice to have storage and tv to the back of the slide for more space when opened but don’t need extra bunks. All that but it still has me interested because it is the only split bed I have seen
Twin beds are super rare nowadays
Nice!
TY
I enjoy your videos and I am wondering you have transferred to these small trailers exclusively? Seems like forever since you have done any larger campers. Should I look for another channel to see these?
I generally keep a variety of things. Here's some larger stuff that's come out in just the past few weeks
Hideout ua-cam.com/video/lC6Qie1cO1w/v-deo.html
Influence ua-cam.com/video/oDv5UnXd8eg/v-deo.html
Reflection ua-cam.com/video/kAvtoakLKuE/v-deo.html
Rockwood ua-cam.com/video/q5gTpdEpB80/v-deo.html
Imagine ua-cam.com/video/gLPXJthR4fU/v-deo.html
Huge Jay Flight ua-cam.com/video/-us_-_Tsgl4/v-deo.html
What do you lose with a non-platinum edition? You mentioned nose cap and solar. Anything else? Sometimes looking at the links its hard to tell.
Is TPMS available? (single axle)
Platinum adds fiberglass skin, 200w solar, full nose cap with windshield, and I think a window in the door
TPMS isn't factory offered on this but those systems are easily added to any rv really
Love this layout. Does Forest River have a 4 wheel camper the same or similar layout?
(One that will handle more weight.)
Not quite the same layout. The next hidden room model is this one: ua-cam.com/video/DNrU85DMiLo/v-deo.html
This has potential, but is there any possibility of getting this in a tandem axle, with increased cargo capacity?
None currently
Unique design
very!
good video Josh
ty
I recently came across an older model that I really liked the layout and was wondering if anyone else made (or even better, makes) a similar floorplan? It's the Highland Ridge Open Range UT2510BH from 2018-19. I really like the private kids and parents room, and the relatively small size/weight. This one reminded me of that, except for the open front bedroom and unusable cargo capacity.
I remember that model. Springdale was briefly the only other builder I saw with anything like that. Neither turned out to be popular as it turns out
What would the model and/or years be for the Springdale version be?
Single axle tho? I new to this but I’m looking at buying an one this year. This absolutely would be on my list if it was a tandem axle.
There's benefits both ways but the lacking CCC on this really begs for a 2nd axle
So 325lbs of water 20 lbs of propane 30lbs for a battery. So 45lbs of cargo.
Really like the layout, but it should be a double axle because that just isn't enough cargo capacity.
It's so painfully lacking
Looks great cargo weight not good really like the layout. Would like to see the 2025 166 fbs Jayco.Mico
Still hunting that one
#RVNerdHerd 😊 🎉 😊
It's beautiful! I want it...but it needs to be able to carry more weight. I have a Wildwood 170SS FSX that has just over 600 pounds cargo capacity and I bump up against the limit on that way too often. This is a non starter. The stick and tin model though.
Total respect on that. There's a reason I made a big deal pointing it out
Thanks nerd 🍺 🤓
My pleasure!
This floorplan should have bean made with a 2 axels frame
#Nerdherd! 🇨🇦
I wish you would show the water and disposal hookups
In this video I walked around the entire exterior of the RV. Those things can be seen in the "Exterior" chapter
Neat TT
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talking about what you think. privacy shades should come from bottom screens from top not so very often. think about it. you can raise privacy and have gap at top not bottom
Lot of people agree on that. Ty
Hey Josh, are you attending the upcoming RV show in Novi?
I am! Stop by and say hi!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yessir! It'll be nice to see you again. My wife and I met you in Anderson for the grand opening/RV giveaway. 👍🏾
Just make this 1 foot longer with a dual axel and add a bedroom door and it would be great.
Try this one: ua-cam.com/video/DNrU85DMiLo/v-deo.html
I think if this was longer it would be a hit
A 2nd axle and little extra length is the request I keep seeing
I'd make the secret room a master lol or closet
It's set to do that!
I'm stuggling to find the weight limits and dimesions for the hidden room beds. The specs for the 162 and 165 do not list LxW... Disappointing! Kids won't stay little forever. How fast till that room feels like a cave?
Real talk: So am I.
Our local folks can easily get a tape measure and get you dimensions but we have yet to ever be provided a "max weight in the slide" spec from the MFG. Which makes me think they haven't actually tested it
For a kid or two sleeping i'm not worried
But some folks may see that as cargo space and THAT could be an issue
They need to make that frig the one that opens from either side! And I do not like the circle sink.
Someone else said the asme. TY
Are there any locations or affiliates in eastern NC?
We do not currently have a store in that area though it'd be nice
You know the drill. Bunks out, desk in . Nuff said. 73
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It's...something. Definitely not for us, even though we're a family of three. And the storage being so little is disappointing as is the weight. But there's a customer for everything!
"It's... _something"_ said SO MUCH lololol
I get it. It's an oddball
No slide i think would be great for this one given the single axl and low cargo capacity.
Or a less deep slide that serves as pantry/wardrobe only. Or for an e-bike. Very functional liveable floor plan! Like to see plush theater seats and roller shades in a 'Platinum Edition '. Amazing 🤩
I really want to like this RV TT. But the low CCC is a big drawback. I'd have to get a good look to see what weight I could shave off. Because it's about 500lbs light on the CCC. Granted, I can put that weight in my vehicle easily enough.
So, I'm reserving my review until I can get a look and give my 10lbs in a 5lb bag review.
HOWEVER - I will say that there is potential. Thanks for the video walk through!
It’s a very real issue for all but very casual campers
Here to join what I'm sure will be a chorus of comments, "it'd be great without the slide." I'm actually surprised there are so few twin bed floorplans from the bigger companies considering they're so popular with brands like Airstream, Oliver, Safari, etc.
Top themes seem to be...
► wow this is cool
► Weird but ok
► needs 2nd axle
► take out the bunks and push the tv area back to open the space
► Just get rid of the slide
Really feels to me like this should be dual axle, for peace of mind.
I'm not opposed to that idea
Like this unit. How much?
Pricing at www.bishs.com/rv-search?stocknumber=165view&s=true
Seems like it should have tandem axles.
With the lacking CCC i'm in agreement
Needs the second axle 😢
Seems to be the big request
20:22 that cargo is not going to work. Thank you for being upfront with that. And that 72 hour return policy is amazing. Edit: I went back and looked at the pricing and specifications. I didn’t realize this was a 16 footer. So I guess it’s not awful for a single axle with fiberglass. I’ll look on your website and your links For something comparable or slightly bigger. Thanks nerd.
It's not 16ft total btw. Here is the specs chart
Max 5,690 lb.
Empty 4,879 lb.
Cargo 811 lb.
Hitch 590 lb.
*► Length 23' 3"*
Height 10' 2"
Width 7' 6"
Ceiling 6' 6"
Awning 15'
Fresh 39 gal.
Gray 30 gal.
Black 30 gal.
Solar 200w
@ you sir are the best!
Terrible single axle cargo capacity, best view is behind the sofa and small tank capacity. Love the look of it though.
totally fair
Needs tandem axles to be taken seriously, I think.
Fair. TY
This is a awesome little camper but that weight rating is a major issue. So sad.
it's really a glaring point to consider
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But #Nerd, I thought every one of these Bish's sells comes with custom #Nerd shoe door stops....
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@JoshtheRVNerd sell em on the merch site