List price the Kawasaki but in terms of real world prices on the shop floor, no one discounts like Suzuki so the GSXR is the best value bike in real terms for me.
@@WeAreTheTrueMedia Some countries still have them for sale but they never sold that well in the UK so they discontinued it here. Also if you can only get the Phantom now, that 100% says a new GSXR1000 will surface in the not too distant future.
I know.. I sometimes wonder if I’m just “getting old” but the I think of what bikes cost relative to cars (always way less), and the modern ones are now on par with a lot of decent cars.
BMW during warranty, Suzuki for an eternity. And the soundtrack of the Yamaha is something you can really enjoy on a trackday. Couldn't agree more on your conclusions.
Thanks guys.....with your experience I went and test rode a 2021 Suzuki gsxr1000r...much to say loved it and the engine on the street still has the mid range you need......I'm old school and don't need all the fancy crap the newest generation bikes have.. Cheers
I can agree- my 2015 S1000RR has just about all the electronics you can imagine. My 2022 S1000RR really just has modern updates of the same systems-- new quickshifter, new dash, new traction control, new ABS.
I kinda miss the 00's when sportbikes were simpler. Been out of the loop for the last decade or so and it's pretty confusing with all the variants of the same model and the ridicilous pricing. Also the 600's seems to be gone, supply and demand I guess?
750's pretty much gone too. I don't think it'll be long before the so called 'litre bike' disappears too and we're all riding naked and adventure bikes.
@@elonmusk9697 As the manufacturers chased race wins these 600s became more and more expensive, plus insurance for the (mostly) younger buyers became more expensive as well.
This is a comparison of superbikes, not 600's. Middleweights are doing fine, 600 class is the most popular, although I believe nakeds are more popular than sport bikes
Great summary of a bunch of bikes that are bordering on being irrelevant for road use. I do love sports bikes. Had several including zx7r, '04 Fireblade and a '15 S1000RR. Whilst the 7R wasn't setting the world alight with power, it was a great road bike. Satisfying to ride on road and track. The Fireblade felt on the limit of what power was remotely possible to use on the road. The RR tipped the balance and got rid within 6 months. Ironically, superb electronics and insane power, combine to make a bike that is video-game easy to just pin the throttle. Whilst this does allow the rider to focus on everything else, it doesn't stop the fact that you find yourself in two polar opposite ends of road riding: left feeling that you're pootling about using half revs and quarter throttle, or, you begin to feel that you're stretching it's legs, arriving home thinking - how am I (or others) still in one piece and will I be getting a brown envelope in the post in next two weeks ...worse, a knock on the door. let's have some great handling, usable sports bikes for the road that we can use and can afford.
I've been saying this for years. I'd take 130-150hp and a nice, usable torque curve over a 200hp revbox any time I'm not at a track. The Triumph looks about as close as you can get at the moment but I haven't tried one so can't say for sure. All this £25k for something that can't pull your gran under 10,000rpm is just daft.
Actually nicely said. I used to race (so I think I’m a reasonably decent rider) and I wouldn’t buy a 1000 for the road. Exactly what you said - just never feel like you’ve “ridden” the bike without getting into ultra-dangerous arrest-me-or-die speeds.
Nice video, but ownership costs were not covered. In my country BMW is crazy expensive to maintain. Japanese still have the reliability factor and are affordable for the working man. Services, parts and repairs. ☘️
Been a Suzuki fan for a number of years so chuffed for them that you put them second. All those bikes way out of my budget so just bought a new GSXS1000 which will do me for the time being :D
Fantastic quick summaries. Professional racers can tell the difference as they are able to use 100% of the bikes capabilities. 99% of the rest of us would be happy on any of these bikes at any price point. It what pulls on your heart strings. Exclusive, exotics pull on my strings more than a generic Honda or Yamaha. European bikes have that extra moving art with stretching the tech.
Even super stock bikes require a fairly big investment on top of the bike. So when you hear people bragging about how well their model did in bsb or wsbk it’s just deluded. They have a team of engineers, race engines, race suspensions, race brakes etc. that bike you see on tv is about as far from your bike as a wolf is to your Labrador lol.
@@Starfield6824 I don’t doubt that’s true, although Sylvain Guintoli has a very interesting video comparing a gixxer in stock vs super stock vs super bike trim, and the super stock demolishes the stock. It is actually very surprising how close the super stock comes to the super bike. Diminishing returns are so apparent in motorcycle racing lol.
Exactly but only certain riders like us know this. Anymore racers and hype boys are always going to say Ducati BMW or R1 always. They love the sound of ducati and R1s. Imo personally I hate the ducati and R1s sounds
I have owned most of these bikes. Only one I still have is my heavily modified h2. It’s just such a work of art and you never see one on the streets so most blokes are always interested to have a chat about it. Great video Michael. 👍🏻
Thank you, Neeves! This was just the kind of wrap up after the testing you did that I like to watch! Setting the standard for motorcycle reporting for years~
Yeah when he said it was near the bottom kind of made me laugh. It’s literally right at the top with couple others , although it is an overall value video I guess? So price would be high compared to some competitors anyways. But H2’s and RSV4 factory isn’t gonna a whole lot of difference lol. As a non fireblade for 20k think the value is actually not bad at all
Could you please elaborate more about the HONDA FIREBLADE and why you say "bottom end" when we compare it back to back with other Japanese superbikes? I appreciate your reply and feedback
How can one call a BMW "exotic"? These days the japanese bikes are the exotics in my opinion - here in Germany all the newer liter bikes are mostly BMW, Ducati or Aprilia - Japan has really fallen behind in technology and development, not only in MotoGP but also with their road bikes.
I'm happy you said this, about the k67 bmw s1000rr sport.. being your number 1 bike.. given all the above details etc mentioned 😀 this is why i decided to buy the m1000r last year..still have both bikes today and always smiling..never been on a track..so some might say these bikes are wasted having not been used on a track
Very informative. I also had a difficult time to choose in between BMW S1000RR Sport and Suzuki GSX-R1000R but ended up with S1000RR for having little more tech eg semi active suspension, TFT dash and active breaks etc. But no doubt that Suzuki is an excellent all rounder as well. And in Korea, GSX R1000R is 10-15% cheaper than BMW. So great value for money too. Cheers
as someone that owned a few bikes a gsxr 600 and a yamaha r1 and rode heaps more the gsxr 600 just worked, was solid. No thrills or creature comforts but did the job as well as you would want it to. The yamaha's were a bit iffy sometimes and i had problems with my clutch on my r1
Another fantastic comparative Neevesy! Has to be one of the best bike reviewers/journalists out there. So much detail and just genuinely honest about it all.
I miss the days of late 90's Japanese 600s... :D An awesome bikes to ride around with your friends after watching Akira. Infinitely easy to ride, mod, and own, and have fun with.
absolutely man, had a 91 honda f2 and a 99 yammy r6 and a 2002 cbr 600rr coulda got a 1000 but the sixes are where its at, i miss the shootouts just the Japanese 4 and triumph came along there at the end. Got a 2018 zx6r kawi now but all are excellent rides. Stay safe.
I agree, I had a Normal Gsxr 2017 model. Absolutely stunning road bike, utterly fantastic. Fueling, comfort and looks. Loved it so much. Brakes were a bit soft though
I miss when bikes were simpler in the 2000-2010 era where it almost felt like it was literally just an engine, two wheels and yourself. Now with all the electronics it feels like a computer. I think the last of that golden era is the current gixxer. Just put gas and ride it. Not a fan of Suzuki but their bike is the only that feels like those golden days
Well, some allow you to zero out almost all the electronics - not TC, WC, Acrive/semi active shocks, etc. etc... At 158-168 hp, you can still get sideways, but at 200 hp, it just happens that much quicker...
Thanks for this it has confirmed to me the BMW s1000rr sport is the best road going and value sports bike. It has by far the best usable tech. Add to this 3 years warranty, road side assist and up to 5 years fixed price servicing. Looks great as well.
Michael, don't forget that for the Roadside Assistance, BMW does NOT charge any deductibles unlike all other roadside assistance programs from all other motorcycle brands; such as Ducati, which ONLY gives you "up to" $200 to have a tow truck pick you up as part of the roadside assistance. You have to pay everything else after that. So, if you get stuck on a tour and the nearest Ducati or other exotic dealership is 200 miles away you are screwed. But, their is NO limit distance for BMW. They pay for ALL of the towing no matter the distance ! That is considered a true 5 Star Service to the 'conscious intelligent man'...
@@foodmaniac9339 The other motorcycle that would be good is the new 2025 Triumph Rocket 3R Storm Edition. That thing is mental man...haha...great reliability and good for 100,000 miles without engine issues....The suzuki hayabusa is another good one and their engines are literally bullet proof...
I’ve been riding a GSXR 600 for the past 5 years since I got my license. I feel like I need to own a litre bike before they are killed off forever. I want that experience. My money would be on an S1000RR or R1. But I’m short so probably the S1000RR
I second this. If you even want a slight taste of that 200hp, you'll be higher in the rev range going absolutely stupid speeds on the road. You could argue a supernaked would be more practical on the road, but I tried a Superduke and the torque on that thing was also far too much for the road in my opinion. I currently own a Duke 890 R, which is considered to be the goldilocks street bike, but I even think that bike is too fast for the street. As soon as you start having some fun, you're going over twice the speed limit already. Bonkers.
I would try and borrow or hire a 1000 for a week or just a weekend. The constant fueling and the prices ('bigger tanks') will disappoint you very quickly. The bloody thing was constantly pawing the sky and didn't really need 6 gears.. 3 gears was enough. Don't get me wrong it was laugh inducing but.. The running costs and higher insurance broke the deal for me. If budget is not an issue for you then buy one but i, myself can live without one happily. And besides wheres the challenge in just pulling away from everyone on the straight bits if you can't go round corners faster too. Nah I'll stick with my 6 and keep my licence longer too. Go try one though at least..
Nice rundwon of the current listings. Pretty much on par with what i have heard other reviewers say. I'm looking forward to trying the cbr1000rr and bmw s1000rr
go with the BMW s1000rr the honda cbr1000rrr has had big reliability issues .One is it runs SO hot oil lines melt, ecu burns out (and just shuts down period) The cbr 1000rr runs so hot Honda sent a notice to the cbr 1000rrr owners that the bike cant be ridden under 50 mph or it will over heat . I would be very poed if i bought a 30,000$ bike that over heated . Dont take my word for it google Honda cbr 1000rrr over heating problems .
@@jake88ci I heard a lot about that, the electronic also shat and the in a lot of bike the engine wasn't charging the battery so Honda had to recall several models because of that. Its stupid really.
What I find interesting is the tuner shops that with no parts changed just stop the fly by wire butterflies closing at the top end with some reprogramming of the ecu and release so much power from the stock Japanese bikes. The Japanese bikes nearly all limit their own power with this method. I guess they have a reason? Just having that fixed by an ecu reprogrammed puts them back up with the European bikes power outputs.
GREAT video ... !!!! YAMAHA COMPANY really knew how to design a RACING SPORTS BIKES Because JUST THINK or JUST LOOK AT their even Smaller cc engine ROAD BIKES like R125 amd R15 V4/R15M They really looked like a typical tracks Bikes. ( It's hard to wonder their small cc engines ). Bro you facing DIFFICULTY while saying RR-R RRRR -R RRR .... was HILARIOUS ... 😅👍🏻 All BIKE COMPANIES should NOT use too many R on their BIKES ... Hahaha...😂
a true gem of a video thanks so much! I love the R1 the most but most club race 'super stock' rules don't allow brake caliber changes which makes it a difficult choice if you want to do a little more than just track days
Could you please elaborate more about the HONDA FIREBLADE and why you say "bottom end" when we compare it back to back with other Japanese superbikes? I appreciate your reply and feedback
My choice will be the fireblade SP , the white one ❤️. Anyway good suggestions and nice video. Overall all of them are beautiful bikes but sadly also extremely expensive.
It's an optional addon nowadays. It's a new trend to sell it separately. The new s1000r base comes without QS too, even though the 2017 model has QS and autoblipper as standard.
Anyone would be happy with either i reckon, ZX10RR for me if I could choose, always loved ninjas and although apparantly not the best bike there still far more performance than what the average rider could use
Don't forget that for the Roadside Assistance, BMW does NOT charge any deductibles unlike all other roadside assistance programs from all other motorcycle brands; such as Ducati, which ONLY gives you "up to" $200 to have a tow truck pick you up as part of the roadside assistance. You have to pay everything else after that. So, if you get stuck on a tour and the nearest Ducati or other exotic dealership is 150(or more) miles away you are screwed. But, there is NO limit distance for BMW. They pay for ALL of the towing no matter the distance ! That is considered a true 5 Star Service to the 'conscious intelligent man'...
My friend works in a BMW motorcycle dealership and and 10 years he's never seen a base model s1000rr. They all come get it out almost completely and some of them completely loaded.
Pads(brembo), new brake master(brembo RCS 18-20), different braking fluid(brembo/motul). I have the same bike, after these upgrades you will love the braking feel!
I’d argue that a) go second hand cos you’ll get great bikes for way less. But b) if you want new… the base models are actually far better than all but the fast track day riders - you just pick the brand or looks you like really. Plus people throw some mods at it anyway.
Absolutely mental prices I bought the the Bmw s1000rr m sport when it came out and was so disappointed in the build quality bolts would just disappear the right handlebar came off in my hand at knockhill track day was more stuff to the bike had only done 1300 miles lol
If you want some real performers the Brembo Stylema monobloc calipers are a good choice, but you'll drop some serious coin on them($900-$1000 US). This doesn't include steel braided lines, pads and master cylinder for the fronts only.
If you need to ask this, you don't ride on the track often or at a level that requires new brakes. If that's the case, save your money. Stock brakes are more than enough for the street or a few trackdays from time to time.
Here is something interesting to look at. Here in China the motorcycle prices are through the roof. Just to list a few: BMW S1000rr base model = 297,900RMB - 44363.72USD Ducati Panigale v2 = 222, 000RMB - 33049.48USD Ducati Panigale v4 (base model no 's') = 248,000RMB - 36920.14USD Kawasaki Ninja ZX10r = 360, 000RMB - 53593.76USD Yamaha YZF-R1 = 229,000 RMB - 34091.58USD Suzuki GSX-R1000 = 339,800RMB - 50586.55USD Honda CBR1000rr-r = 428,000RMB - 63717.02USD These are a few of the liter bikes, however to be honest the 600 CC's are also all from 260k to 400k RMB (CNY). And all the motorcycles have a 13 year scrap period before you can't ride your motorcycle anymore. (Sad but true, I own a Ducati here and plan to ship it to a foreign country once it reach that period or 120 000km).
I’d like to see MCN do some more second hand bike stuff. Bikes normal people can afford lol. You could do everything from 5 year old sports bikes and Adventure bikes or even up to 10 years old . Thanks Neevsey
This is a great review by a more competent rider than myself. I will say that probably most riders are in the sub 20K category. The rest depends on your riding habits, capabilities and mechanical ability. Being a mechanic I like the low price of Kawasaki and the fun in fixin' it up (2014 N1K, 2019 ZX_10R). BMW, Aprilla, Ducati all have high cost of ownership. Kawasaki, Yamaha and Suzuki are more user friendly and fun/cheaper to mod.
What's the best value 2022 Superbike?
List price the Kawasaki but in terms of real world prices on the shop floor, no one discounts like Suzuki so the GSXR is the best value bike in real terms for me.
cbr1000rrr sp 30 anniversary 2022
BMW
They don't make the 'single R' Gixxer anymore?
@@WeAreTheTrueMedia Some countries still have them for sale but they never sold that well in the UK so they discontinued it here. Also if you can only get the Phantom now, that 100% says a new GSXR1000 will surface in the not too distant future.
Ah Neevesy, never disappoints, never wastes your time...Always great to get the "Why I would, why I wouldn't" in a 10 minute vid... Cheers
Hes the Best !!!
Crazy that 16k is good value these days.
Confusing "good value" with "less of a rip off".
Sign of the times, 16k bikes and 300k 1 bed starter homes
My bike ain't cheap,
But it only costs 5% of a Ferrari that it eats for lunch.
I know.. I sometimes wonder if I’m just “getting old” but the I think of what bikes cost relative to cars (always way less), and the modern ones are now on par with a lot of decent cars.
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BMW during warranty, Suzuki for an eternity. And the soundtrack of the Yamaha is something you can really enjoy on a trackday. Couldn't agree more on your conclusions.
I love this guys reviews, they’re probably the most unbiased 💪🏾
Thanks guys.....with your experience I went and test rode a 2021 Suzuki gsxr1000r...much to say loved it and the engine on the street still has the mid range you need......I'm old school and don't need all the fancy crap the newest generation bikes have.. Cheers
100% Agree brother
Amen
I can agree- my 2015 S1000RR has just about all the electronics you can imagine. My 2022 S1000RR really just has modern updates of the same systems-- new quickshifter, new dash, new traction control, new ABS.
What fancy crap do new bikes have that a 21 Gsxr1000r doesn't?
If you don't want electronics then get the standard model from 2 decades ago.
Just a pleasure to see you on video, Michael. Thanks.
I have absolutely no intention of buying any of these bikes, but I still loved the video. Great work as always. Informative and down to earth.
Best bike reviewer on the internet - very enjoyable and informative -Cheers
Great comparative sum up - would be great to hear the same for the current crop of super and hyper nakeds.
I kinda miss the 00's when sportbikes were simpler. Been out of the loop for the last decade or so and it's pretty confusing with all the variants of the same model and the ridicilous pricing. Also the 600's seems to be gone, supply and demand I guess?
I don't get why the 600's are disappearing. It makes no sense
750's pretty much gone too. I don't think it'll be long before the so called 'litre bike' disappears too and we're all riding naked and adventure bikes.
@@elonmusk9697 As the manufacturers chased race wins these 600s became more and more expensive, plus insurance for the (mostly) younger buyers became more expensive as well.
@@elonmusk9697 mostly to do with emissions I think.
This is a comparison of superbikes, not 600's. Middleweights are doing fine, 600 class is the most popular, although I believe nakeds are more popular than sport bikes
Great summary of a bunch of bikes that are bordering on being irrelevant for road use.
I do love sports bikes. Had several including zx7r, '04 Fireblade and a '15 S1000RR. Whilst the 7R wasn't setting the world alight with power, it was a great road bike. Satisfying to ride on road and track. The Fireblade felt on the limit of what power was remotely possible to use on the road. The RR tipped the balance and got rid within 6 months. Ironically, superb electronics and insane power, combine to make a bike that is video-game easy to just pin the throttle. Whilst this does allow the rider to focus on everything else, it doesn't stop the fact that you find yourself in two polar opposite ends of road riding: left feeling that you're pootling about using half revs and quarter throttle, or, you begin to feel that you're stretching it's legs, arriving home thinking - how am I (or others) still in one piece and will I be getting a brown envelope in the post in next two weeks ...worse, a knock on the door.
let's have some great handling, usable sports bikes for the road that we can use and can afford.
They *are* completely irrelevant for road use for 99% of riders 😂
@@fatsharks 😁
I've been saying this for years. I'd take 130-150hp and a nice, usable torque curve over a 200hp revbox any time I'm not at a track. The Triumph looks about as close as you can get at the moment but I haven't tried one so can't say for sure.
All this £25k for something that can't pull your gran under 10,000rpm is just daft.
@@siraff4461 totally agree 👍
Actually nicely said. I used to race (so I think I’m a reasonably decent rider) and I wouldn’t buy a 1000 for the road. Exactly what you said - just never feel like you’ve “ridden” the bike without getting into ultra-dangerous arrest-me-or-die speeds.
Straight to the point no waffle fantastic review. Thank you Michael keep them coming, you are the one to trust.
" waffle fantastic " omfg 🤣😂🤣PERFECTION 👌
I have no idea what waffle fantastic means yet somehow I know exactly what it means I don't care either way thank you
Nice video, but ownership costs were not covered. In my country BMW is crazy expensive to maintain. Japanese still have the reliability factor and are affordable for the working man. Services, parts and repairs. ☘️
FACTS !!!!!!
Yep
Been a Suzuki fan for a number of years so chuffed for them that you put them second. All those bikes way out of my budget so just bought a new GSXS1000 which will do me for the time being :D
Fantastic quick summaries. Professional racers can tell the difference as they are able to use 100% of the bikes capabilities. 99% of the rest of us would be happy on any of these bikes at any price point. It what pulls on your heart strings. Exclusive, exotics pull on my strings more than a generic Honda or Yamaha. European bikes have that extra moving art with stretching the tech.
Zx10r definitely the best road riding bike here. It’s so good on the road
Even super stock bikes require a fairly big investment on top of the bike. So when you hear people bragging about how well their model did in bsb or wsbk it’s just deluded. They have a team of engineers, race engines, race suspensions, race brakes etc. that bike you see on tv is about as far from your bike as a wolf is to your Labrador lol.
Jacko flacko.........finally....someone who knows the difference. So tired of hearing fanboys brag about who's bike did what in wsbk
🤣😂🤣....🐺 = 🐶 omfg PERFECTION 👌
Your correct apart tom the gixer thou.
Its not as developed as it could be in BSB. I know because I designed her
@@Starfield6824 I don’t doubt that’s true, although Sylvain Guintoli has a very interesting video comparing a gixxer in stock vs super stock vs super bike trim, and the super stock demolishes the stock. It is actually very surprising how close the super stock comes to the super bike. Diminishing returns are so apparent in motorcycle racing lol.
Exactly but only certain riders like us know this. Anymore racers and hype boys are always going to say Ducati BMW or R1 always. They love the sound of ducati and R1s. Imo personally I hate the ducati and R1s sounds
Had L8 GSXR 1000 since new mainly use it for track and it's been a great solid machine. Handles well and strong power over 10k
I have owned most of these bikes. Only one I still have is my heavily modified h2. It’s just such a work of art and you never see one on the streets so most blokes are always interested to have a chat about it. Great video Michael. 👍🏻
Totally agree with you, had many bikes but the H2 it's just something else
excellent agree 100% with the outcome 👍
Thank you, Neeves! This was just the kind of wrap up after the testing you did that I like to watch! Setting the standard for motorcycle reporting for years~
The Fire Blade is so underrated for no reason and I don't know why
Yeah when he said it was near the bottom kind of made me laugh.
It’s literally right at the top with couple others , although it is an overall value video I guess? So price would be high compared to some competitors anyways. But H2’s and RSV4 factory isn’t gonna a whole lot of difference lol.
As a non fireblade for 20k think the value is actually not bad at all
IT IS too small.
Could you please elaborate more about the HONDA FIREBLADE and why you say "bottom end" when we compare it back to back with other Japanese superbikes?
I appreciate your reply and feedback
Best review ever done on the latest superbikes.
How can one call a BMW "exotic"? These days the japanese bikes are the exotics in my opinion - here in Germany all the newer liter bikes are mostly BMW, Ducati or Aprilia - Japan has really fallen behind in technology and development, not only in MotoGP but also with their road bikes.
I'm happy you said this, about the k67 bmw s1000rr sport.. being your number 1 bike.. given all the above details etc mentioned 😀 this is why i decided to buy the m1000r last year..still have both bikes today and always smiling..never been on a track..so some might say these bikes are wasted having not been used on a track
Having ridden most of these bikes and being 170cm high, the Aprilia RSV4 is by far my favorite for the road and the track.
Very informative. I also had a difficult time to choose in between BMW S1000RR Sport and Suzuki GSX-R1000R but ended up with S1000RR for having little more tech eg semi active suspension, TFT dash and active breaks etc. But no doubt that Suzuki is an excellent all rounder as well. And in Korea, GSX R1000R is 10-15% cheaper than BMW. So great value for money too. Cheers
I've owned both and miss how easy my gsxr was to work on and the bike literally will treat you just as well as you treat it!
I have a 2020 S1000RR and its an incredible bike and super comfortable on road too.
as someone that owned a few bikes a gsxr 600 and a yamaha r1 and rode heaps more the gsxr 600 just worked, was solid. No thrills or creature comforts but did the job as well as you would want it to. The yamaha's were a bit iffy sometimes and i had problems with my clutch on my r1
GSXR incredible machine for the price ❤️
Thanks i have learnt a lot from watching this vid you have been spot on with your summary.😀
A very sensibly put together video , makes a lot of sense
I have a 2018 Honda CBR1000RR and plan on purchasing the 30th anniversary edition of the Honda CBR1000RR-R
Great video, as usual from Michael👌
Another fantastic comparative Neevesy! Has to be one of the best bike reviewers/journalists out there. So much detail and just genuinely honest about it all.
R1 looks and sound 😍
Thanks for keeping it real.
I miss the days of late 90's Japanese 600s... :D An awesome bikes to ride around with your friends after watching Akira. Infinitely easy to ride, mod, and own, and have fun with.
absolutely man, had a 91 honda f2 and a 99 yammy r6 and a 2002 cbr 600rr coulda got a 1000 but the sixes are where its at, i miss the shootouts just the Japanese 4 and triumph came along there at the end. Got a 2018 zx6r kawi now but all are excellent rides. Stay safe.
I’ve had a 18 gsxr1000r and now a rsv4 factory, and honestly just pick the one you can afford and like the looks and sound the best.
Great work as always really appreciated the straight to the point approach and clear recommendations 🙌
And this channel is why Im a proud S1000RR owner, I do love and miss my Kawasaki bikes but I do not regret getting a BMW
I really enjoy your videos, totally unbiased and extremely accurate.
I agree, I had a Normal Gsxr 2017 model. Absolutely stunning road bike, utterly fantastic. Fueling, comfort and looks. Loved it so much. Brakes were a bit soft though
Great video, hopefully add an S1000RR in a few years when prices drop a little (I hope)
Love the honesty. Need more info on setting up as a track day beast, bang for the buck
I miss when bikes were simpler in the 2000-2010 era where it almost felt like it was literally just an engine, two wheels and yourself. Now with all the electronics it feels like a computer. I think the last of that golden era is the current gixxer. Just put gas and ride it. Not a fan of Suzuki but their bike is the only that feels like those golden days
Well, some allow you to zero out almost all the electronics - not TC, WC, Acrive/semi active shocks, etc. etc... At 158-168 hp, you can still get sideways, but at 200 hp, it just happens that much quicker...
Thanks for this it has confirmed to me the BMW s1000rr sport is the best road going and value sports bike. It has by far the best usable tech. Add to this 3 years warranty, road side assist and up to 5 years fixed price servicing. Looks great as well.
Michael, don't forget that for the Roadside Assistance, BMW does NOT charge any deductibles unlike all other roadside assistance programs from all other motorcycle brands; such as Ducati, which ONLY gives you "up to" $200 to have a tow truck pick you up as part of the roadside assistance. You have to pay everything else after that. So, if you get stuck on a tour and the nearest Ducati or other exotic dealership is 200 miles away you are screwed. But, their is NO limit distance for BMW. They pay for ALL of the towing no matter the distance ! That is considered a true 5 Star Service to the 'conscious intelligent man'...
Cause they know that their crap keeps breaking down frequently 😂@@markettradinggenius
@@foodmaniac9339 The other motorcycle that would be good is the new 2025 Triumph Rocket 3R Storm Edition. That thing is mental man...haha...great reliability and good for 100,000 miles without engine issues....The suzuki hayabusa is another good one and their engines are literally bullet proof...
@@markettradinggenius all japs are bullet proof
Great video, thanks bro!
Amazing video
For me looking at the choices, Suzuki GSX is good enough all-rounder, daily driver bike.
I’ve been riding a GSXR 600 for the past 5 years since I got my license. I feel like I need to own a litre bike before they are killed off forever. I want that experience. My money would be on an S1000RR or R1. But I’m short so probably the S1000RR
I found them overkill for road use. Too fast, can get you in trouble fast and you can lose your licence fast...
I second this. If you even want a slight taste of that 200hp, you'll be higher in the rev range going absolutely stupid speeds on the road.
You could argue a supernaked would be more practical on the road, but I tried a Superduke and the torque on that thing was also far too much for the road in my opinion.
I currently own a Duke 890 R, which is considered to be the goldilocks street bike, but I even think that bike is too fast for the street. As soon as you start having some fun, you're going over twice the speed limit already. Bonkers.
I would try and borrow or hire a 1000 for a week or just a weekend. The constant fueling and the prices ('bigger tanks') will disappoint you very quickly. The bloody thing was constantly pawing the sky and didn't really need 6 gears.. 3 gears was enough. Don't get me wrong it was laugh inducing but..
The running costs and higher insurance broke the deal for me. If budget is not an issue for you then buy one but i, myself can live without one happily. And besides wheres the challenge in just pulling away from everyone on the straight bits if you can't go round corners faster too.
Nah I'll stick with my 6 and keep my licence longer too.
Go try one though at least..
Great stuff, thank you.
thanks for your honest view
Really good and to the point video, I liked it.
Nice rundwon of the current listings. Pretty much on par with what i have heard other reviewers say. I'm looking forward to trying the cbr1000rr and bmw s1000rr
go with the BMW s1000rr the honda cbr1000rrr has had big reliability issues .One is it runs SO hot oil lines melt, ecu burns out (and just shuts down period) The cbr 1000rr runs so hot Honda sent a notice to the cbr 1000rrr owners that the bike cant be ridden under 50 mph or it will over heat . I would be very poed if i bought a 30,000$ bike that over heated . Dont take my word for it google Honda cbr 1000rrr over heating problems .
@@jake88ci I heard a lot about that, the electronic also shat and the in a lot of bike the engine wasn't charging the battery so Honda had to recall several models because of that. Its stupid really.
@@jake88ci thanks for the heads up!
Excellent as always mate but I’m keep my h2 💪
What I find interesting is the tuner shops that with no parts changed just stop the fly by wire butterflies closing at the top end with some reprogramming of the ecu and release so much power from the stock Japanese bikes. The Japanese bikes nearly all limit their own power with this method. I guess they have a reason? Just having that fixed by an ecu reprogrammed puts them back up with the European bikes power outputs.
GREAT video ... !!!!
YAMAHA COMPANY really knew how to design a RACING SPORTS BIKES Because JUST THINK or JUST LOOK AT their even Smaller cc engine ROAD BIKES like R125 amd R15 V4/R15M They really looked like a typical tracks Bikes. ( It's hard to wonder their small cc engines ).
Bro you facing DIFFICULTY while saying RR-R RRRR -R RRR ....
was HILARIOUS ... 😅👍🏻
All BIKE COMPANIES should NOT use too many R on their BIKES ... Hahaha...😂
a true gem of a video thanks so much! I love the R1 the most but most club race 'super stock' rules don't allow brake caliber changes which makes it a difficult choice if you want to do a little more than just track days
Everybody loves a Gixer👌
I suggest using tierlist for categorization fir these bikes, great visual aid and way to order items
Great video! Would love to see a similar one for the hypernakeds.
Absolutely
YES!!!
Yes, please do a comparison of the hyper nudies!
Excellent video
Great video
Doing the same for middle weights ??
Amazing video as always, great work!
The best takeaway from all of these bikes is they are all amazing because you get a chance to ride on two wheels!
Michael is the best motorcycle reviewer period!
Could you please elaborate more about the HONDA FIREBLADE and why you say "bottom end" when we compare it back to back with other Japanese superbikes?
I appreciate your reply and feedback
I'm not a superbike rider but I enjoyed this video.
Where would i acquire a non sp cbr1000rr-r?
My choice will be the fireblade SP , the white one ❤️. Anyway good suggestions and nice video. Overall all of them are beautiful bikes but sadly also extremely expensive.
The 'Blade doesn't even have a quickshifter? My 2015 BMW has an 'up and down blipper' ffs. 🤔
It's an optional addon nowadays. It's a new trend to sell it separately.
The new s1000r base comes without QS too, even though the 2017 model has QS and autoblipper as standard.
awesome review
Does anyone know what kind of plant he's sitting in front of
So would you personally get a naked or standard over a super bike for daily riding and trips?
Anyone would be happy with either i reckon, ZX10RR for me if I could choose, always loved ninjas and although apparantly not the best bike there still far more performance than what the average rider could use
Being a tall bloke I'd have the S1000RR M edition 50th anniversary. Being skint though I'll keep what I've got.
Why the S1000RR and Gixxser only if you’re NOT going to do many track days???
Suzuki AND Aprilia (and I'am a Yamaha fan tough).
Don't forget that for the Roadside Assistance, BMW does NOT charge any deductibles unlike all other roadside assistance programs from all other motorcycle brands; such as Ducati, which ONLY gives you "up to" $200 to have a tow truck pick you up as part of the roadside assistance. You have to pay everything else after that. So, if you get stuck on a tour and the nearest Ducati or other exotic dealership is 150(or more) miles away you are screwed. But, there is NO limit distance for BMW. They pay for ALL of the towing no matter the distance ! That is considered a true 5 Star Service to the 'conscious intelligent man'...
Wowww that was massive! I am in love with the new gixxer 2022 but that s1000r is really something! What about Yamaha Vmax? Opinion please!
My friend works in a BMW motorcycle dealership and and 10 years he's never seen a base model s1000rr. They all come get it out almost completely and some of them completely loaded.
Aprilia all day long for me. Soundtrack alone is amazing 👏
For a road bike , 06-16 year model fire blade is a great choice , 06-23 year model gixxer1000 is also a great choice.
Hi, a great video as usual, I have a 2022 R1 60th gp anniversary, what do you recommend to make the brakes better for the road, TIA.
Brembo.
Pads?
Pads(brembo), new brake master(brembo RCS 18-20), different braking fluid(brembo/motul). I have the same bike, after these upgrades you will love the braking feel!
@@needformotorcyclesNFM brake fluid, something other than Dot 4?
Brembo GP4-RS calipers with road and track pads RCS 17 master cylinder which is recommended for those calipers.
I’d argue that a) go second hand cos you’ll get great bikes for way less.
But b) if you want new… the base models are actually far better than all but the fast track day riders - you just pick the brand or looks you like really.
Plus people throw some mods at it anyway.
Absolutely mental prices I bought the the Bmw s1000rr m sport when it came out and was so disappointed in the build quality bolts would just disappear the right handlebar came off in my hand at knockhill track day was more stuff to the bike had only done 1300 miles lol
How is the bmw and Suzuki for tall riders? 191cm
What brake mods would you recommend for the r1
If you want some real performers the Brembo Stylema monobloc calipers are a good choice, but you'll drop some serious coin on them($900-$1000 US). This doesn't include steel braided lines, pads and master cylinder for the fronts only.
How would the rankings rank up if you would add a 10.000 km reliability factor in, based on used models?
really happy with my 2022 s1000rr :D
Any update on gsxr1000 new bike development?
Excellent video, I’m waiting to see if Suzuki updates the GSXr1000r for 2023. I don’t trust BMW reliability
Just seen a 2018 Gsxr 1000 with low miles for a really really good price lol, I think ima have to try that bike out
I love mine, pipe, filter tune, q/s, bleed brakes, then off with you now!
Which set of breaks do you recommend for Yamaha R1 ?
If you need to ask this, you don't ride on the track often or at a level that requires new brakes.
If that's the case, save your money. Stock brakes are more than enough for the street or a few trackdays from time to time.
Wait! Where will the MV F4 place?
Here is something interesting to look at. Here in China the motorcycle prices are through the roof. Just to list a few:
BMW S1000rr base model = 297,900RMB - 44363.72USD
Ducati Panigale v2 = 222, 000RMB - 33049.48USD
Ducati Panigale v4 (base model no 's') = 248,000RMB - 36920.14USD
Kawasaki Ninja ZX10r = 360, 000RMB - 53593.76USD
Yamaha YZF-R1 = 229,000 RMB - 34091.58USD
Suzuki GSX-R1000 = 339,800RMB - 50586.55USD
Honda CBR1000rr-r = 428,000RMB - 63717.02USD
These are a few of the liter bikes, however to be honest the 600 CC's are also all from 260k to 400k RMB (CNY). And all the motorcycles have a 13 year scrap period before you can't ride your motorcycle anymore. (Sad but true, I own a Ducati here and plan to ship it to a foreign country once it reach that period or 120 000km).
I’d like to see MCN do some more second hand bike stuff. Bikes normal people can afford lol. You could do everything from 5 year old sports bikes and Adventure bikes or even up to 10 years old . Thanks Neevsey
This is a great review by a more competent rider than myself. I will say that probably most riders are in the sub 20K category. The rest depends on your riding habits, capabilities and mechanical ability. Being a mechanic I like the low price of Kawasaki and the fun in fixin' it up (2014 N1K, 2019 ZX_10R). BMW, Aprilla, Ducati all have high cost of ownership. Kawasaki, Yamaha and Suzuki are more user friendly and fun/cheaper to mod.
Why is MV Augusta not on the list?
If possible do a superbike shootout but with all the bikes unlocked. The japanese especially kawasaki are restricted much harsher than euro bikes.