If they do this, they dont need to make a new system, just give one option to choice what u want and 4 aleatóry. Theres some weeks that the option that u need dont appear to cut, its frustating
i just cut 25 potent ones, ive seen critical once and it was the worst shit every 4/1. the rest i didnt see anything or good anything good besides 5/4 that 5 is stagger. xdd ( also i had many more trys then just 25 causer of alot of resets prob like 35-40 in total trys.) with calculator thingy
So true about the feeling thing. It's negative either way. Get good option > bad outcome = feels bad Get bad option > always bad outcome = feels really bad Get good option > actually succeed = doesn't even feel good, you're glad it's over
That's a very true statement. KR Devs are actually afraid of their playerbase, if they didn't accept taking up their asses so much devs would not just try to fuck everyone
The planned change (double drops, half cost) is crippled by the fact that it takes so long to do. Sure, we now get to cut twice as many elixirs for the same cost, but the time required to cut elixirs is now doubled. I NEED an option to skip all the animations. I need to be able to finish cutting an elixir in 30s, not 5 mins. I don't need the sages to tell me the flow is good or if I like it that i got -2.
there is a tos option to remove the animations and its honestly night and day. You can try and reset an elixir within 5 seconds. I cut 50 silver elixirs with it and it didn't even take me an hour to do so. If they implemented a way to skip the animations the system would overall feel way better to interact with.
Elixir made me quit the game and a lot of the players I used to play with before me. We took a lot from the game but this system just pissed off everyone constantly and from there the fun we had couldn't outweigh the frustration, the waste of time and gold. I sticked a bit longer but when I heard from LOAON the only modification they were willing to give us was doubling the amount of time we would spend on this system, I was just done.
Elixirs are by far the worst system they've ever put into the game. And that's genuinely impressive, considering all the other shit we have to deal with already.
it might be the worst system I've seen in any mmo. 0 pity slow rng beyond comprehension huge gold sink not fun prevents alt enjoyment creates gatekeep I could keep going...
If they applied the elixirs to the encyclopedia on a specific way, it would be better. Like, save each effect on the highest level you cut. So even if I cut a 5 crit/ 1 dex i can save that then cut lets say a 4 dex/ 1 mp, save that. Then I can select 5 crit and 4 dex effects into the armor slot. Would be a huge nerf while still being a gold sink. If not, then at least cut animations and lets us select at minimun 1 effect for sure so I dont have to reset 50 elixirs before finding the 1 effect I need to then have the slot machine roll bad and now I'm fkd waiting for another 50 attempts to find it again.
Thats why I stopped playing this game, the community loves to suffer and struggle, when you give a construct criticism to make things better you are bombar for the masochist toxic community.
Yup my main issue with Elixir has always been the progression path. Reproducibility is actual garbage. Compare it to Transcendence. You get 2 Flowers? Cool, you go back to the exact same board and sometimes you have Grace/Pity which helps a little bit. If you fail an Elixir with a Set Piece, it might take 5K Gold worth of rerolls to get that Set Piece again, it might take 50K Gold worth of rerolls to get to that state again. The worst part is the animation during all of this. If you have an actual multiple Elixir/Reset cutting session, it takes longer than the time it needs to clear Gate 1-4
I quit because of that garbage elixir system, worst system ever. You have to give some progression for work in these games. Doing all that for nothing week after week sucks.
Yea i love this game. And Elixir sounded cool watching you people in korea doing it. But After experience it i give up. Never managed to have 40 set on main or 35 on alts. Worst thing its that new raid add new system and i still trapped in that shit system. All these new Change for Tier 4 and elixir that imo its the worst system right now go untouched.
It's just soooooo boring and takes an absurdly long time to cut a single elixir, sitting down and fishing for the things you want takes HOURS. We've already got raids to prog and reclear, we don't need hours and hours lost cutting elixirs just to get garbage nearly every time. I don't want to hone any of my alts to 1620 (mostly because I have no gold) but also because I'm dreading having to do elixirs again. Nobody buys the auction elixirs in Voldis anymore, nobody wants to use this system. It must change.
elixir rng variation is insane. i went from 32 set to 40 set on one of my chars with 7 free elixirs. And on my other char I went from 35 set with purples to only 38 set with 30 legendary elixirs. So even if you are an expert at cutting elixirs, if luck isn't with you, there's nothing you can do about it :/
I don't comment on your vids much but this poster and you are so real about the state of elixirs. I have 6+ but gold six and dread cutting elixirs on my 1600s, first purples have such few turns that even if I do get 35 set, I'm just extremely lucky and I've probably wasted 4 hours rerolling to get master or critical. The system is definitely a gold sink but tied to such a huge DPS increase is actually so stupid. Like you said, it's essentially a slot machine and with no pity it's an easy slot to gatekeep or whatever. There needs a pity, they need to reduce trash rolls or at least let you choose 1 set or whatever you like and it needs less animations, the time spent cutting is so high it's almost not worth.
Nerf elixirs into the ground and never make anything like it again. Huge DPS increase tied to all-or-nothing RNG with time-gates, high gold costs, and even time-wasting animations on top of all that. When it came out the clowns were like "it's the most efficient power increase for gold", as if that's a good thing that future raids are gonna be designed with DPS you can only get through cancerous RNG. It was fun steamrolling Akkan with damage and seeing Voldis runs get smoother, but now Echidna and Thaemine brought us right back. On the bright side, elixirs are a huge timesaver since I refuse to bother with it on my alts, so I'm just playing the game less. Very grateful to the devs for giving me more free time.
I always hate to interact with the elixirs cutting UI. I hate everything about it. Everything you click is RNG, everything you hope even when the run is good, all you need is one or two fucked up rounds to ruin everything. It's horrible
They should just change the bonus checkmark from 35 and 40 to 25 and 35. BIS will still take time but at least people have a realistic chance of getting 40 set bonus without ripping their hair out. Me today, I cut 40k of elixir and got nothing better than a 6, which means all that gold was wasted and I'm still at 39/40 set. On echidna week. Rip account.
the t4 reset will keep a lot of the problems we have already, like honing is cancer, gatekeep, cards, elixir, transc and much more all of the problems will still be there and keep getting worse tbh
Honing might be tilting but at least it has pity, I remember running the same dungeon in wow over 50 times and never gotten the damn trinket I needed. With honing even if I'm sending artisan energy isntead of the tap, at least im making some damn progress. A good change would be to just make it like advance honing baseline on tier 4
yeah honestly Im low-key preparing to quit once T4 comes out. I will check how it goes, but just look what progressions system they added so far...elixirs and transcendence and both are garbage so I have no faith they actually improve on the engraving system. There is a little glimpse of hope it will be alright but like I said I dont have faith in them.
Very much. It was fun when it started, got annoying when trying to make 40 set, and unbearable if you considered actually trying to min/max it. But the worst part is when you get an alt to 1620 and realize you have to go through all of that again.
1. Allow first option to be selected by user, not by rng. For example, if you need critical, you select critical and 4 other options are given by rngesus 2. Checkbox to skip animations Thats all that is needed. No need for pity or grand solutions, just those two small thing would make system 100x times better
Elixir nerfs are a troll. They even call out bad nerfs on LOA. Nerfs we get now are more than worse than outcalled on LOA. My steam review stay negativ untill we get a REAL NERF. Shining elixir in da Face BOZO DEVs.
Halving the cost of elixirs and the mats required per tap doesn't really solve any of the problems with the systems. It just makes it feel less bad when you get the bad elixir. Over the past week with all the free elixirs we got in NA between events and the LOAON gift, I rolled around 15 Legendary and 45 Epic elixirs. I was trying to upgrade from 35 set to 40 set on my support, and over the course of ALL these elixirs, with some resets on elixirs, I only saw the glove set I needed 3 or 4 times while even using rerolls on the last stage to try and fish for it. I ended up getting a single upgrade across all these elixirs, which turned a 2/4 elixir into a different 2/4 elixir because it had a higher level of ally enhancement. I have 3 4/4s currently that are ALL from epic elixirs, and now it's just Pants and Gloves that need a specific line to be usable. I don't even think we necessarily need to cut out the bad options on elixirs, just allow us to GUARANTEE a single line on the elixir every time we roll. Although another option is to change the 7 or 8 different sets (critical, advance, etc) into a generic "set effect" option for gloves and helm, and then you can choose the set you want once you have atleast 35 on your elixirs how armor currently functions. Just getting rid of bad options doesn't strictly buff the system.
Honestly the most unpleasant thing about elixirs is how damn long it takes... You waste a freaking HOURS watching the screen with often just loosing gold and mats for no reason. I wouldn't be as annoyed with the system if we could skip the animation. Then the price nerf and more mats would be actually welcome. Currently I have problem bringing myself to cut the free (silver) elixirs because I just don't want to waste so much time. Just try to cut an elixir via the Elixir Simulator. The speed difference is insane.. Of course actually improving the system would be welcome even more. But please... make it faster at the very least
It took me 3 months of cutting 10+4 elixirs to trying to cut 35 set on purple on my top alt and only got 34nodes on garbage stats. I could not get anything better than a 4,1 or 4,2 on master pieces cause they were just so rare and everytime I got them I got screwed by rng. I had to rage hone to 1620 to cut the lego elixirs to get 35 set. When I finally got it I just don't want to see the elixirs EVER again. I'm leaving it, everytime i cut elixir it's just a rage incident. Total garbo system, whoever designed it should be bagged, dragged into an ally, and beaten. I am not kidding.
my take on this is: devs dont want ppl to go for 50 BiS elixir unless gigawhale and if you can select 1 option at the start it is likely that you get double damage options often enough to actually get good elixirs(which should be desirable in my opinion but i guess KR disagrees) the fact that so much hidden power lies within non obvious systems now devalues the amount of work ppl put in to get good with their classes, cardbooks, secondary elixir lines, bracelet, qualities etc its all too much you can look at a char that looks the same after 10 sec inspection but in reality there is a 20-30% dmg difference just by 1-3% differences adding up, i think 40 set with Boss Dmg 5, Crit/Additional 5 and both set pieces 5 should be the DEFAULT ppl get after 3-4 weeks of doing HM, not something that may happen or may not happen, also the average pug doesnt even know how much power actually lies in your elixir its just 40 set or not 40 set, you can have a 35 set better than their 40 sets and u get declined, even tho they filled only garbage lines and you have the importants on 5 with 35 set which is more dmg
i used all my free legendaries to get 40 set and at best i got from 38 to 39, my masters on my glove was a 4/2 and it would be so much easier if i can just PICK the one i want, i had to get a 5/4 at best from either helm to pants. after hearing nothing will be changed with the current ones i had no choice but to role on my stock piled elixers. i was on the verge of quitting, same for my friend aswell and i dont blame anyone that did. My striker has been cutting purples since voldis release and only RECENTLY he got 35 set. its a complete BS system.
Elixirs are not only a slot machine. Elixirs are a sh_t machine that is broken and rolls slow. So you not only lose gold, you have to spend A LOT of time watching the NPCs laugh in your face. So, when you are not bothered by the gold you spend, double mats only means double the time lost.
let a person pick 1 of the 5 effects. Substantial improvement. It was always a garbage system, but at least let me cut elixers I know could be good... instead of burning to gold to find out an elixer doesnt even have the effects I could cut.
I just wasted 170k gold to legendary elixirs today and I didnt even get a single 5/4. This is by far the worst dogshit system . System itself is just simply bad. Reducing gold while increasing weekly obtained mats not gonna solve or chance anything the system itself is bad. They need to change how elixir cutting works. No one enjoys elixir cutting not because of gold cost but the shitty system.
OM All that you say is totally true about this sad system. I was waiting for a long time for a nice rework of this shamy mechanic.... and very bad surprise by discovering just a cost reduction.
Completely agree with the post-author - elixirs is the worst system in the game currently. Especially if you need them on alts (without them, alts get gatekept). Plates are MUCH better than elixirs, taking much less time to cut and you feel rewarded + there is a system to save you, in case you are very unlucky. I hate Elixirs, I just hope they will fix them someday. Dabbling mats and decreasing the cost is not a fix, it will only push games to spend even more time in cutting elixirs and get even more negative fillings.
in my opinion, Elixir is totally not useful system, why not just adding some buff to our gears without consuming our recourses including gold?.. okay, why not giving us the option to pay gold but in return it's guaranteed to get a benefit!!.. what's wrong with this game?.. why i'm feeling that the devs only targeting the guys that has so much gold, i'm a casual player and doing everything in hard way, why not even giving us the good luck!
now that KR has a problem with it, it may have a chance of getting changed now because the changes/nerf they have coming rn is absolutely dog shit. nobody WANTS to do more elixirs, the whole systems needs to be better and more easily obtainable not struggling every week just to get 35 set let alone 40. it being a considerable power gain in the game, it should not be locked behind such heavy rng.
Let's make it cheaper and more available, now you have twice as many chances of being disappointed! Instead of resetting 10 elixirs after a single critical helm line, why not reset 20. It's cheaper lmao
Elixers suck ass as it is. Either make set it's own thing(not every set option like chaos /order) and then let you choose which one. They should also make turn 2 a seal or initial turn to just increase rng chance of usable elixers. Last session in did around 15 and they were all like 2/3 1/4 and other terrible things that were unusable. Only purples but still I am afraid to waste gold on legendary because of how often they come out bricked
- rng based above rng (i roll 20 elixir just to see my critical helmet once and fail miserably) - fking grandma fails me everytime. - animation takes too fking long each tap and u cant skip it like hone animation, imagine ure cutting 50> elixir
honnestly elixirs are the worst character improvment related mechanic out of all the mmo i've played. It takes ages to clic them with the slooooooooooooooooooow animations and the repeating voice lines, costs all your gold and sometimes you're wondering what's the point when after a cutting session the best you had is a 5/2. When my 6th char finally got 40 set i wasn't really happy, just relieved i wouldn't have to cut any elixirs anymore...
there needs to be a pity to help EVERYONE reach 40 set, its not a question. they simply just dont wanna add it atm, they have all the funding to update it though
F elixirs and F this "fix" to them. It's the furthest from a fix as it could possibly be - here, spend less gold, do it twice as often and we're not going to do anything to actually help get you the elixirs you need in order to propel you to 1640. Stay in purgatory until it's finished because you're never going to get into a party with a 35 set only or worse yet no elixir set bonus.
I got the gold, I got way enough bound mats for 2 more character to push them 1620, I'm not doing it just because I don't want to do the elixirs on them. Gold isn't the issue, the time and pain it takes to cut elixirs is ,one of the worst system I've seen in an MMO considering how important it is .
how does korea only posting now... they have elixir for so fuckign long how does they do not undestand that the RNG is so fucking crazy. reduce gold cost and increase the number of elixirs provided do not fix the system it self.... you can do double the number of elixirs and spend the same amount of gold but the thing is i dont want to do elixirs its not fun....
Keep elixirs as is just make them roster wide. Cut a God tier elixir on a silver elixir for alt, good now your entire roster benefits, Instead of cutting sets of elixirs you have to max cut 3, 2 dps 1 supp
1:40 exactly, until this system goes away Im never honing alts pass 1610, the time it takes to just click transcendence and cut elixirs is just waaay too much on top of all the dailies and weeklies we do to keep up. People who down voted that post really want the game to die.
I want to cut elixirs but this choice makes me in 90% cases suffer and regret of what I've done. Wasting so much gold to reset the elixir because you got literally no viable options is an absurd that needs to get reworked asap. I have pretty decent elixirs for now and I don't need to cut them on main but that doesn't mean that I would like others to suffer like me just because I did so others should too. Koreans are so selfish its insane
The guy who developed elixiers in this game deserves to be removed of any kind of job in the video game industry. Just go and work for a casino or for a slot machine manufacturer, never be involved in any video game ever again.
They should also do something to speed up the cutting process because it is very boring to watch the same animation and to hear the NPC saying the same line over and over.
Thats why they should have deleted elixir and trans when getting t4 gear and if you had it previously, on gear you would gain it in the ark passive system. Phasing out those systems wouldve simplified the game for new players to come back and give relief to current players while also not letting their efforts be wasted.
I dont mind wasting gold on elixirs what i mind is the amount of hours just sitting there rolling dice for hours and hours for each class. fking bullshit
Every RNG system should have a pity. I don't understand why Elixirs, Stones, and Weapon Quality don't have it yet. It's even more unbelievable that they REMOVED the pity from quality. I've spent 250k + and I'm still at 88 qual on my Zerk.
Here on the west they gave us like 40 free epic elixirs aprox and i cut them all using every kind of tool, strat, etc. and all i got was dogshit This system has so heavy rng compared to honing a +23-25 weapon imo and we know the difference between a lucky player and a unlucky player :(
i seen a 1610 destro with 40 elixir set on purples all 4-4's xdd.... and if u dont find it enough - it was only around 1 month after elixirs release. I had zero 35 set that moment doing dungeons every week xd
@@st0rmbreaK Maybe some, but I got my 40 set on my main in 5 weeks (a support so wasn't gatekept anyway) and now after cutting almost a 100 legendary elixirs on my dps alt (using the ai or friends that have a lot of 40set chars) I just now managed to get 35 set. It's literally the most dogshit system in the game and has stopped me from honing all my other alts past 1600
I've been trying to get 40 set on my reaper. It took 10 weeks and cost over a million gold. That should never be the case on an alt in an old system that isn't even main content anymore soon... I just feel bad every second of doing elixirs. It doesn't feel right to just lose gold and gaining nothing from it without any assurance that you'll be done at some point. Animations take too long, every tap is way too costly, Catalysts feel like they're just there to annoy you even more and have no value to the system and getting bad elixirs even tho you got really good RNG on the options to choose from is the worst. Not finding your set or any good effects in 10 resets also feels bad. Overall it should get a full rework and not just halved gold cost. That won't change much... I hope koreans pressure smilegate more to make actual changes to the system.
A pity that let's you choose an effect (like Master or Critical set pieces) every 5 elixirs you cut or something of that sort would already help immensely even if they don't change the actual RNG (which I obviously hope they do sooner rather than later)
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I DON'T WANT TO CUT ELIXIRS
Do you like it?
Only thing they should do to bê better is give the option to CHOICE, at least one, status that u want to cut.
If they do this, they dont need to make a new system, just give one option to choice what u want and 4 aleatóry.
Theres some weeks that the option that u need dont appear to cut, its frustating
i just cut 25 potent ones, ive seen critical once and it was the worst shit every 4/1. the rest i didnt see anything or good anything good besides 5/4 that 5 is stagger. xdd ( also i had many more trys then just 25 causer of alot of resets prob like 35-40 in total trys.) with calculator thingy
The flow is good
So true about the feeling thing. It's negative either way.
Get good option > bad outcome = feels bad
Get bad option > always bad outcome = feels really bad
Get good option > actually succeed = doesn't even feel good, you're glad it's over
If KR was better about not accepting shit in the games they play, the games they play would be much better.
That's a very true statement. KR Devs are actually afraid of their playerbase, if they didn't accept taking up their asses so much devs would not just try to fuck everyone
The planned change (double drops, half cost) is crippled by the fact that it takes so long to do. Sure, we now get to cut twice as many elixirs for the same cost, but the time required to cut elixirs is now doubled.
I NEED an option to skip all the animations. I need to be able to finish cutting an elixir in 30s, not 5 mins. I don't need the sages to tell me the flow is good or if I like it that i got -2.
there is a tos option to remove the animations and its honestly night and day. You can try and reset an elixir within 5 seconds.
I cut 50 silver elixirs with it and it didn't even take me an hour to do so.
If they implemented a way to skip the animations the system would overall feel way better to interact with.
The fact there are still people in KR defending this is mind boggling
I suffered. You Will suffer.
Nothing says LOA player quite like "fuck you, I got mine" attitude.
@@floo0o0 Old people ☕
only 40set people will complain
Seems like a culture difference, I don't know about Koeran, but as a Asian I would say there is always some kind of servile mindset from some people.
Elixir made me quit the game and a lot of the players I used to play with before me.
We took a lot from the game but this system just pissed off everyone constantly and from there the fun we had couldn't outweigh the frustration, the waste of time and gold.
I sticked a bit longer but when I heard from LOAON the only modification they were willing to give us was doubling the amount of time we would spend on this system, I was just done.
Elixirs are by far the worst system they've ever put into the game. And that's genuinely impressive, considering all the other shit we have to deal with already.
it might be the worst system I've seen in any mmo.
0 pity
slow
rng beyond comprehension
huge gold sink
not fun
prevents alt enjoyment
creates gatekeep
I could keep going...
And the best part is the NPCs voice lines mocking you saying "The flow looks good" on a elixir with garbage rng.
its why i turn the dialogue audio off. it can drive you insane.
Haven't had dialogue or music on since valtan kek
If they applied the elixirs to the encyclopedia on a specific way, it would be better. Like, save each effect on the highest level you cut. So even if I cut a 5 crit/ 1 dex i can save that then cut lets say a 4 dex/ 1 mp, save that. Then I can select 5 crit and 4 dex effects into the armor slot. Would be a huge nerf while still being a gold sink.
If not, then at least cut animations and lets us select at minimun 1 effect for sure so I dont have to reset 50 elixirs before finding the 1 effect I need to then have the slot machine roll bad and now I'm fkd waiting for another 50 attempts to find it again.
Thats why I stopped playing this game, the community loves to suffer and struggle, when you give a construct criticism to make things better you are bombar for the masochist toxic community.
vagabound is gonna be S-Tier with solo raids coming out :)
Damn you're right 😮
Yup my main issue with Elixir has always been the progression path.
Reproducibility is actual garbage. Compare it to Transcendence. You get 2 Flowers? Cool, you go back to the exact same board and sometimes you have Grace/Pity which helps a little bit. If you fail an Elixir with a Set Piece, it might take 5K Gold worth of rerolls to get that Set Piece again, it might take 50K Gold worth of rerolls to get to that state again.
The worst part is the animation during all of this. If you have an actual multiple Elixir/Reset cutting session, it takes longer than the time it needs to clear Gate 1-4
I quit because of that garbage elixir system, worst system ever. You have to give some progression for work in these games. Doing all that for nothing week after week sucks.
Bye bye.
Me too. We are free brother.
@@Allucardsenjoy ur dead game clown
@@Allucards enjoy your dead game
Elixirs are Pachinko with extra step.
Elixirs made me downsize my active roster from 6 to 2.
Lol, same.
same.
Same
I quit the game over Elixirs, I didn't enjoy the dungeon either so it was a double whammy at 300 RL
Yea i love this game. And Elixir sounded cool watching you people in korea doing it. But After experience it i give up. Never managed to have 40 set on main or 35 on alts. Worst thing its that new raid add new system and i still trapped in that shit system. All these new Change for Tier 4 and elixir that imo its the worst system right now go untouched.
Doubling elixirs = you spend double of the time cutting it / rng gambling it for hrs on ALL your characters.
It's even worse now lol.
the more you cut sooner, the sooner you don't touch any of them and cut low prio ones when u have nothing else to do or waiting in a lobby
It's just soooooo boring and takes an absurdly long time to cut a single elixir, sitting down and fishing for the things you want takes HOURS. We've already got raids to prog and reclear, we don't need hours and hours lost cutting elixirs just to get garbage nearly every time. I don't want to hone any of my alts to 1620 (mostly because I have no gold) but also because I'm dreading having to do elixirs again. Nobody buys the auction elixirs in Voldis anymore, nobody wants to use this system. It must change.
elixir rng variation is insane. i went from 32 set to 40 set on one of my chars with 7 free elixirs. And on my other char I went from 35 set with purples to only 38 set with 30 legendary elixirs.
So even if you are an expert at cutting elixirs, if luck isn't with you, there's nothing you can do about it :/
they also take a long time, I have a ton of elixirs in the inventory but Im not in the mood to waste hours trying to get one good elixir
So, gatekeep on you ;)
Reason i don't push alt to 1620 just dont want to cut Elixir, this is another dogsh-t system.
and that post has 107 dislikes ICANT XD
Also Smilegate should always nerf old vertical systems when they release new ones period
I don't comment on your vids much but this poster and you are so real about the state of elixirs. I have 6+ but gold six and dread cutting elixirs on my 1600s, first purples have such few turns that even if I do get 35 set, I'm just extremely lucky and I've probably wasted 4 hours rerolling to get master or critical. The system is definitely a gold sink but tied to such a huge DPS increase is actually so stupid. Like you said, it's essentially a slot machine and with no pity it's an easy slot to gatekeep or whatever. There needs a pity, they need to reduce trash rolls or at least let you choose 1 set or whatever you like and it needs less animations, the time spent cutting is so high it's almost not worth.
Nerf elixirs into the ground and never make anything like it again. Huge DPS increase tied to all-or-nothing RNG with time-gates, high gold costs, and even time-wasting animations on top of all that.
When it came out the clowns were like "it's the most efficient power increase for gold", as if that's a good thing that future raids are gonna be designed with DPS you can only get through cancerous RNG.
It was fun steamrolling Akkan with damage and seeing Voldis runs get smoother, but now Echidna and Thaemine brought us right back.
On the bright side, elixirs are a huge timesaver since I refuse to bother with it on my alts, so I'm just playing the game less. Very grateful to the devs for giving me more free time.
People click dislike on that post are really brainwashed
Game is dead in the west already, hope they fix this for KR players at least
How delusional can you be and downvote this
I always hate to interact with the elixirs cutting UI. I hate everything about it. Everything you click is RNG, everything you hope even when the run is good, all you need is one or two fucked up rounds to ruin everything. It's horrible
They should just change the bonus checkmark from 35 and 40 to 25 and 35.
BIS will still take time but at least people have a realistic chance of getting 40 set bonus without ripping their hair out.
Me today, I cut 40k of elixir and got nothing better than a 6, which means all that gold was wasted and I'm still at 39/40 set. On echidna week.
Rip account.
the t4 reset will keep a lot of the problems we have already, like honing is cancer, gatekeep, cards, elixir, transc and much more
all of the problems will still be there and keep getting worse tbh
Honing might be tilting but at least it has pity, I remember running the same dungeon in wow over 50 times and never gotten the damn trinket I needed. With honing even if I'm sending artisan energy isntead of the tap, at least im making some damn progress. A good change would be to just make it like advance honing baseline on tier 4
I never talked shit about honing after I saw elixirs ever again.
They were like "oh you think honing is a piece of garbage? Hold my bear"
To be clear, both honning and elixirs are bad systems. We dislike them both, but elixirs should burn in hell.
yeah honestly Im low-key preparing to quit once T4 comes out. I will check how it goes, but just look what progressions system they added so far...elixirs and transcendence and both are garbage so I have no faith they actually improve on the engraving system. There is a little glimpse of hope it will be alright but like I said I dont have faith in them.
Very much. It was fun when it started, got annoying when trying to make 40 set, and unbearable if you considered actually trying to min/max it. But the worst part is when you get an alt to 1620 and realize you have to go through all of that again.
Crazy so many people downvoted his post.
1. Allow first option to be selected by user, not by rng. For example, if you need critical, you select critical and 4 other options are given by rngesus
2. Checkbox to skip animations
Thats all that is needed. No need for pity or grand solutions, just those two small thing would make system 100x times better
cut my 40 today on an alt...i had 35 already and i took me 40 elixirs....chest and scholders are 5/4 with zero dmg increase...VERY COOL AND FUN
Can they reduce the animation bs maybe make it like rocks just instant ^^ Also the currency to roll it should be silver.
Elixir nerfs are a troll. They even call out bad nerfs on LOA. Nerfs we get now are more than worse than outcalled on LOA.
My steam review stay negativ untill we get a REAL NERF. Shining elixir in da Face BOZO DEVs.
Halving the cost of elixirs and the mats required per tap doesn't really solve any of the problems with the systems. It just makes it feel less bad when you get the bad elixir. Over the past week with all the free elixirs we got in NA between events and the LOAON gift, I rolled around 15 Legendary and 45 Epic elixirs. I was trying to upgrade from 35 set to 40 set on my support, and over the course of ALL these elixirs, with some resets on elixirs, I only saw the glove set I needed 3 or 4 times while even using rerolls on the last stage to try and fish for it. I ended up getting a single upgrade across all these elixirs, which turned a 2/4 elixir into a different 2/4 elixir because it had a higher level of ally enhancement. I have 3 4/4s currently that are ALL from epic elixirs, and now it's just Pants and Gloves that need a specific line to be usable.
I don't even think we necessarily need to cut out the bad options on elixirs, just allow us to GUARANTEE a single line on the elixir every time we roll. Although another option is to change the 7 or 8 different sets (critical, advance, etc) into a generic "set effect" option for gloves and helm, and then you can choose the set you want once you have atleast 35 on your elixirs how armor currently functions. Just getting rid of bad options doesn't strictly buff the system.
Honestly the most unpleasant thing about elixirs is how damn long it takes...
You waste a freaking HOURS watching the screen with often just loosing gold and mats for no reason.
I wouldn't be as annoyed with the system if we could skip the animation. Then the price nerf and more mats would be actually welcome.
Currently I have problem bringing myself to cut the free (silver) elixirs because I just don't want to waste so much time.
Just try to cut an elixir via the Elixir Simulator. The speed difference is insane..
Of course actually improving the system would be welcome even more. But please... make it faster at the very least
It took me 3 months of cutting 10+4 elixirs to trying to cut 35 set on purple on my top alt and only got 34nodes on garbage stats. I could not get anything better than a 4,1 or 4,2 on master pieces cause they were just so rare and everytime I got them I got screwed by rng. I had to rage hone to 1620 to cut the lego elixirs to get 35 set. When I finally got it I just don't want to see the elixirs EVER again. I'm leaving it, everytime i cut elixir it's just a rage incident. Total garbo system, whoever designed it should be bagged, dragged into an ally, and beaten. I am not kidding.
my take on this is: devs dont want ppl to go for 50 BiS elixir unless gigawhale and if you can select 1 option at the start it is likely that you get double damage options often enough to actually get good elixirs(which should be desirable in my opinion but i guess KR disagrees) the fact that so much hidden power lies within non obvious systems now devalues the amount of work ppl put in to get good with their classes, cardbooks, secondary elixir lines, bracelet, qualities etc its all too much you can look at a char that looks the same after 10 sec inspection but in reality there is a 20-30% dmg difference just by 1-3% differences adding up, i think 40 set with Boss Dmg 5, Crit/Additional 5 and both set pieces 5 should be the DEFAULT ppl get after 3-4 weeks of doing HM, not something that may happen or may not happen, also the average pug doesnt even know how much power actually lies in your elixir its just 40 set or not 40 set, you can have a 35 set better than their 40 sets and u get declined, even tho they filled only garbage lines and you have the importants on 5 with 35 set which is more dmg
i used all my free legendaries to get 40 set and at best i got from 38 to 39, my masters on my glove was a 4/2 and it would be so much easier if i can just PICK the one i want, i had to get a 5/4 at best from either helm to pants. after hearing nothing will be changed with the current ones i had no choice but to role on my stock piled elixers. i was on the verge of quitting, same for my friend aswell and i dont blame anyone that did. My striker has been cutting purples since voldis release and only RECENTLY he got 35 set. its a complete BS system.
Elixirs are not only a slot machine. Elixirs are a sh_t machine that is broken and rolls slow. So you not only lose gold, you have to spend A LOT of time watching the NPCs laugh in your face.
So, when you are not bothered by the gold you spend, double mats only means double the time lost.
let a person pick 1 of the 5 effects. Substantial improvement. It was always a garbage system, but at least let me cut elixers I know could be good... instead of burning to gold to find out an elixer doesnt even have the effects I could cut.
I just wasted 170k gold to legendary elixirs today and I didnt even get a single 5/4. This is by far the worst dogshit system . System itself is just simply bad. Reducing gold while increasing weekly obtained mats not gonna solve or chance anything the system itself is bad. They need to change how elixir cutting works. No one enjoys elixir cutting not because of gold cost but the shitty system.
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All that you say is totally true about this sad system.
I was waiting for a long time for a nice rework of this shamy mechanic.... and very bad surprise by discovering just a cost reduction.
Completely agree with the post-author - elixirs is the worst system in the game currently. Especially if you need them on alts (without them, alts get gatekept). Plates are MUCH better than elixirs, taking much less time to cut and you feel rewarded + there is a system to save you, in case you are very unlucky. I hate Elixirs, I just hope they will fix them someday. Dabbling mats and decreasing the cost is not a fix, it will only push games to spend even more time in cutting elixirs and get even more negative fillings.
in my opinion, Elixir is totally not useful system, why not just adding some buff to our gears without consuming our recourses including gold?.. okay, why not giving us the option to pay gold but in return it's guaranteed to get a benefit!!.. what's wrong with this game?.. why i'm feeling that the devs only targeting the guys that has so much gold, i'm a casual player and doing everything in hard way, why not even giving us the good luck!
now that KR has a problem with it, it may have a chance of getting changed now because the changes/nerf they have coming rn is absolutely dog shit.
nobody WANTS to do more elixirs, the whole systems needs to be better and more easily obtainable not struggling every week just to get 35 set let alone 40.
it being a considerable power gain in the game, it should not be locked behind such heavy rng.
33% disagreeing with a complete and total rework of a 100% RNG system with no pity is right on par with what i expect out of the KR player base.
Let's make it cheaper and more available, now you have twice as many chances of being disappointed! Instead of resetting 10 elixirs after a single critical helm line, why not reset 20. It's cheaper lmao
Yea NA just gives better feedback on the game. KR players are just trolling
handsdown
by all the rng stuff in the game
elixir is by far the worst...
Elixers suck ass as it is. Either make set it's own thing(not every set option like chaos /order) and then let you choose which one. They should also make turn 2 a seal or initial turn to just increase rng chance of usable elixers.
Last session in did around 15 and they were all like 2/3 1/4 and other terrible things that were unusable. Only purples but still I am afraid to waste gold on legendary because of how often they come out bricked
- rng based above rng (i roll 20 elixir just to see my critical helmet once and fail miserably)
- fking grandma fails me everytime.
- animation takes too fking long each tap and u cant skip it like hone animation, imagine ure cutting 50> elixir
They should delete the Elixir system entirely, it's a time wasting bad system, with enormous RNG, there is absolutely nothing fun about it.
honnestly elixirs are the worst character improvment related mechanic out of all the mmo i've played. It takes ages to clic them with the slooooooooooooooooooow animations and the repeating voice lines, costs all your gold and sometimes you're wondering what's the point when after a cutting session the best you had is a 5/2. When my 6th char finally got 40 set i wasn't really happy, just relieved i wouldn't have to cut any elixirs anymore...
there needs to be a pity to help EVERYONE reach 40 set, its not a question. they simply just dont wanna add it atm, they have all the funding to update it though
F elixirs and F this "fix" to them. It's the furthest from a fix as it could possibly be - here, spend less gold, do it twice as often and we're not going to do anything to actually help get you the elixirs you need in order to propel you to 1640. Stay in purgatory until it's finished because you're never going to get into a party with a 35 set only or worse yet no elixir set bonus.
I got the gold, I got way enough bound mats for 2 more character to push them 1620, I'm not doing it just because I don't want to do the elixirs on them. Gold isn't the issue, the time and pain it takes to cut elixirs is ,one of the worst system I've seen in an MMO considering how important it is .
how does korea only posting now... they have elixir for so fuckign long how does they do not undestand that the RNG is so fucking crazy. reduce gold cost and increase the number of elixirs provided do not fix the system it self.... you can do double the number of elixirs and spend the same amount of gold but the thing is i dont want to do elixirs its not fun....
Thoughts of the Western and EU people:
Keep elixirs as is just make them roster wide. Cut a God tier elixir on a silver elixir for alt, good now your entire roster benefits, Instead of cutting sets of elixirs you have to max cut 3, 2 dps 1 supp
1:40 exactly, until this system goes away Im never honing alts pass 1610, the time it takes to just click transcendence and cut elixirs is just waaay too much on top of all the dailies and weeklies we do to keep up. People who down voted that post really want the game to die.
I want to cut elixirs but this choice makes me in 90% cases suffer and regret of what I've done. Wasting so much gold to reset the elixir because you got literally no viable options is an absurd that needs to get reworked asap. I have pretty decent elixirs for now and I don't need to cut them on main but that doesn't mean that I would like others to suffer like me just because I did so others should too. Koreans are so selfish its insane
The guy who developed elixiers in this game deserves to be removed of any kind of job in the video game industry. Just go and work for a casino or for a slot machine manufacturer, never be involved in any video game ever again.
Christ, 33% of KR love eating shit. I almost quit cause I got that unlucky when it came out it took me more than 10 weeks to get 40set
My strat has been rolling epics for helm and gloves then get my 5/5's on chest, pants, shoulders.
Literally cannot even get the dps perks to show up for dps characters and support perks show up for supports. Such a dogshit system
What a chad not even 24 ours past they already nerf this systems. Please Memo start rant about HM g3 trans lock
They should also do something to speed up the cutting process because it is very boring to watch the same animation and to hear the NPC saying the same line over and over.
Thats why they should have deleted elixir and trans when getting t4 gear and if you had it previously, on gear you would gain it in the ark passive system. Phasing out those systems wouldve simplified the game for new players to come back and give relief to current players while also not letting their efforts be wasted.
Elixir is easy. Roll the purple for helmet and gloves. Use yellow elixir for the other parts @ 4/4 - 5/4 - 5/5. Elixir is easy.
I'm so happy they are complaining. It's the most trash system in the game, hope SG changes it soon.
Elixirs are why most of my friends quit, I'm only playing 1 character because of them..
I’ve been saying it since December, Elixirs are the worst progression system in the game.
I dont mind wasting gold on elixirs what i mind is the amount of hours just sitting there rolling dice for hours and hours for each class. fking bullshit
mr kanima always pointed out this shit the first time it got introduced, but everyone said hes just a doomer, wcyd
Every RNG system should have a pity. I don't understand why Elixirs, Stones, and Weapon Quality don't have it yet. It's even more unbelievable that they REMOVED the pity from quality. I've spent 250k + and I'm still at 88 qual on my Zerk.
Dog shet system but they don’t care they’ll keep it in for every gold they sucker till the game dies
Even they make it silver, it’ll still be a dogshit system that i’d rather just not play.
imagine if you can at least select the effects that you want to cut and not spend 20 elixirs trying to get master.
Do them once, and counts for all ur chars, and u can just change them like u can change ur gear sets.
Elixir system is the reason why I give up on pushing my alts.
I'm at 6 weeks without a elixir better than a 4/3 I will not cut elixir on any alts
I dont even have 35 set yet and its sad cause i get gate kept so much
Here on the west they gave us like 40 free epic elixirs aprox and i cut them all using every kind of tool, strat, etc. and all i got was dogshit
This system has so heavy rng compared to honing a +23-25 weapon imo and we know the difference between a lucky player and a unlucky player :(
then the lucky players say "nah you have skill issue" like wtf
@@st0rmbreaK the lucky ones will say it's a good system and there is no problem with it it's crazy 😂
i seen a 1610 destro with 40 elixir set on purples all 4-4's xdd.... and if u dont find it enough - it was only around 1 month after elixirs release.
I had zero 35 set that moment doing dungeons every week xd
@@st0rmbreaK Maybe some, but I got my 40 set on my main in 5 weeks (a support so wasn't gatekept anyway) and now after cutting almost a 100 legendary elixirs on my dps alt (using the ai or friends that have a lot of 40set chars) I just now managed to get 35 set. It's literally the most dogshit system in the game and has stopped me from honing all my other alts past 1600
Took them a while. Better late than never I guess.
TOO LATE NOW,, AS THEY PUT TAT VIDEO UP ON THEIR OFFICAL SITE.
at first i enjoy game but then i start roll elixirs.
Elixir cutting was fun for main.
it is not fun for alts.
I quit the game because of Elixir
Feel our pain, suffer together.
Elixir it's gacha in gacha in gacha . . . i hate this system !!!!
This is literally why I quit the game
KR will eat shit all day and call it chocolate
I've been trying to get 40 set on my reaper. It took 10 weeks and cost over a million gold. That should never be the case on an alt in an old system that isn't even main content anymore soon...
I just feel bad every second of doing elixirs. It doesn't feel right to just lose gold and gaining nothing from it without any assurance that you'll be done at some point.
Animations take too long, every tap is way too costly, Catalysts feel like they're just there to annoy you even more and have no value to the system and getting bad elixirs even tho you got really good RNG on the options to choose from is the worst.
Not finding your set or any good effects in 10 resets also feels bad. Overall it should get a full rework and not just halved gold cost. That won't change much...
I hope koreans pressure smilegate more to make actual changes to the system.
A pity that let's you choose an effect (like Master or Critical set pieces) every 5 elixirs you cut or something of that sort would already help immensely even if they don't change the actual RNG (which I obviously hope they do sooner rather than later)
Elixir system is shitty as hell
I hate elixirs so much
Yeah , fuck elixir !!