Rionya vs Sefris vs Vilis vs Kardur Doomscourge EDH / CMDR game for Magic: The Gathering
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Lost Mine of Phandelver any% speedrun is kinda nuts
Love to see Sefris played on this channel, it’s one of my personal favourites. My list is more of a basic reanimator list with lots of discarding, so it’s interesting to see a version that’s very focused on venture triggers.
I have a built sefris deck as well and it pops off with venturing almost as much as jalbert and it’s so fun to do. Lots of etb creatures in that deck and when u add strionic and panharmonicon it just goes crazy. I do have yorion, brago, eerie interlude, and soul herder for some flicker to get those ventures in as well and other etb affects from other creatures. Overall very fun and can be strong when you have buried alive opening hand and do the sefris, reveilark, karmic guide, sac outlet infinite with lost of phandelver. If you ever plan to do that route I’d suggest skirge familiar with elixir of immortality to discard your hand into your graveyard since your drawing so much in case you get to close to drawing out.
I went a similar way, but with toolbox creatures. Lots of looters and other instant speed discard, so I can be venturing on everyone's turn. Everything I could make a creature I did (board wipes, MDFC, interaction) so I have the best chance of drawing a creature (48 in the deck) when I loot, so I will always have something to dump. Shout out to Tortured Existence, which is a great card in Sefris, likewise Golgari Thug. Dredge gives a solid chance to get a milled creature, if not, I guarantee drawing the Thug with a looter, allowing me to discard the thug again for a Sefris trigger when needed. Oriq Loremage is the other great card, guaranteed creature to graveyard each activation and tutors reanimator targets to boot.
I had avoided the on attack and ETB ventures, as I worried I wouldn't get as many off in my turn, versus having lots of instant speed card-to-graveyard effects (to get the most off the Sefris triggers). Turns out I underestimated the power.
That is very nice, i have a rat reanimator list and has made wonders
Jalbert was pretty aggessively slamming his cards around.
Either having immense fun or a horrible time lol
@@TiltedHound mostly hurrying because i felt bad for taking so long
@@gabrieljalbert6026 do you happen to have list for the deck? I'm building Sefris and looking for inspiration. Appreciate it!
@@gabrieljalbert6026 will you ever be providing decklist for this Sefris deck?
Jalbert's playmat is funny considering the early Rionya misplay. Love for the Muddstah
And the Jalbert's misplay are even funnier
He missed the fact he could copy the defector activate the ability, then give it away and have it exile itself at end of turn.
The first couple of Rionya misplays feel bad. She's my favorite new deck, and she's so easy to abuse
yes turn 3 he could have drawn 2 cards
Do you have a list??? I need some inspiration 😎
@@chrisflowers6890 I don't have a list unfortunately, cuz it's a recent deck, but things I like to use are Precursor Golem and Sundial of the Infinite. The golem cuz it creates even more on ETB, and if you use something like Expedite on one of them, you draw a massive amount of cards. Sundial is in there for obvious reasons. Creatures that have powerful ETB or attack triggers are a good idea too, like Dragon Mage and the like
I love my Rionya deck, it can really come out of no where and deal a ton of damage to your opponents.
@@Jordan.T2y107 Mine can't deal nearly as much damage as my Neheb the Eternal deck, but it's still really fun to flood the board with huge, threatening tokens
Ahh, Kardur Doomscourge, the King of second place.
As a Rionya player, Missing the +1 token trigger hurts lol. Also i usually would make the humble defector token, activate it and draw 2 then give the token away since it disappears. Rionya is such a glass cannon. She can be very strong
Yeah and the fact that she costs 5 mana can be annoying
@@ShiningCrimzon True. That early rionya was sweet. Turn 2 i think? I think she needs to be optimized with fast mana for her to succeed the most. othetwise, a more casual rionya wont do anything until turn 4 or 5 then she needs something to copy
@@katekyo11 yeah I'm building her and I legit need the medallion plus at the tables I play I know that she's gonna get killed on sight so either I win on the spot or I have protection in hand
Glass cannon indeed but as a mono red player at heart I am willing to live with the downside lol she's been my favorite since her release and she has not disappointed. I do feel bad when the deck does go off sometimes because it seems like I'm playing a power level higher than some of the other players so I only bring her out so often now
@@BuckShotTherapy true. when no one interacts with her or underestimates her she can do a ton of damage or create a ton of value in one turn. Ive made several dozen myrs with copying myr battlesphere, destroyed a bunch of lands with obsidian charmaw or just outright won with scourge of valkas
Oh wow, I didn't even think about how Rionya's triggers were "1+". That makes her so much better.
Edit: That Sefris deck played really well. If I had the money, I'd be making one. I love all the synergy and recursion.
I5 is only one each turn. I belive They are playing him wrong
@@rachelsejten5247 While true that Sefris' venture ability only triggers once a turn, he never used it more than once a turn. All the other venturing is from several of the other creatures he has on the board, particularly Radiant Solar. If you look at his turn starting around 13:00, he has two creatures die, but only triggers Sefris' venture once. In fact, as far as I can tell, he actually misses 2 Radiant Solar triggers during the game. Either that, or Muddstah didn't mention them because of how many he ended up having in the end =P
@@Koios90 oh no we completely missed them. I have a love/hate relationship with my sefris deck because of all those triggers that i have to keep track of
@@gabrieljalbert6026 Do you have a list for it that we could see? It looks like it's tons of fun!
Hot damn Sefris went off HARD
Yeah, I'm wondering how that might have changed if Muddstah had put a few Wither Wretch activations his way. Exiling the Sun Titan before it reanimated probably would've slowed them down a lot
@@infernalspectre the deck still probably had karmic guide, reveilark, barrowin. But definitely would affected the game
Yeah imma need that Sefris list asap.
Sefris is one of my favorite decks to play and watch. Reanimator is the best strategy. Shes gross with spark double, so many venture triggers, so much reanimation. Such a fun deck, balancing the venture triggers and traditional reanimator
Regarding Jeska´s Will misplay:
Once you’ve announced that you’re casting a spell, players can’t take any actions until you’ve finished doing so. Notably, opponents can’t try to remove your commander to change how many modes you may choose.
Once you’ve chosen both modes for the spell, it doesn’t matter whether you continue to control a commander. This is true even if you somehow no longer control a commander as you finish casting the spell.
Also, you don`t necessarily have to control "YOUR" Commander just "A"
I have a Sefris deck, and I love how the value train rolls with dungeon venturing. It also doesn’t matter if your creatures hit the bin, because they can just come right back
I love Kardur and I'm so glad to see him at your table!
The Pathlighter doesn't venture per creature, it's just 1 room regardless of how many creatures hit.
No more speedrunning dungeons c:
This is correct; but, it does trigger for each player hit. When he attacked with four creatures against two opponents and they all hit, he has two triggers (since two players were dealt combat damage), each time venturing once.
13:37 Jalbert cannot activate it. It entered during his combat phase at 11:41 and therefore still has summoning sickness, as it had not seen his upkeep step
I love Sefris. Last time I played that deck I finished all 3 dungeons and just hyper out valued my opponents.
Dear god thats the best Sefris game play I've seen to date. Was it like 7 or 8 completions of the Lost Mine? Crazy stuff.
Jalbert stop hating us and let us see that fun deck!
Sefris is insane. I've taken the unaltered precon for a spin a few times in mid-power pods, and it always presents a problem for the rest of the table. Not sure if it's an issue of my local playgroup not being great at deckbuilding or if the precon really is just that good, but it's consistently been impressive.
That and the prosper tomebound precons are very strong
The Sefris precon has some decent reanimator targets built into it and only needs a few extra looter cards like M21 Teferi and Tortured Existence to start outvaluing the table. You are basically constantly the threat.
I have a Kardur list too, and honestly- it's easy to get to 2nd place but trying to pull out the win can be difficult.
Deadly Tempest, Mob Rule, and Insurrection are my current end game win cons.
Yeah, that's about it unfortunately. I run a reanimator package + Wound Reflection/Vicious Shadows. Problem is, you keep casting kardur and not developping your board most of the time. The deck is fun, but does not win. Will switch to Karazikar and see!
@@CurlyHeadGod doesnt work as group slug ? mana barb damage doubler and the like ? Goad is strong when you play slug
@@Ben-eb7wn Yes definitively! Though I already have Klothys as a slug deck, which is mostly why I'm not going this direction.
I love mine! You just have to make sure you have answers or a finish on the final person. I think people focus too much on playing kardur too many times. You usually only need to play him on a couple critical turns.
Also, if you're left in the 1on1, I find that Rakdos Charm, Price of Progress, and Exsanguinate tend to do the job.
@@boneheadcycler1412 pestilence and pyrohemia seems strong too with drain that Kardus has... make them fight, punch with pestilence. Unfortunelately it's not like Mogdis where you cna have last laugh effect, but since Kardur make you less of a target you can play those high punishing effect to buy a turn or two.. Also there is old mtg card that punish artefact on upkeep : 1 damage per artefact for 3 mana enchant... so strong if you ramp yourself with burnishing eartha nd the like...
Jalbert didn't return anything with the Sun Titan attack trigger, and I can't tell if that was on purpose
He does eventually bring the doom necromancer to play
Oh man i missed so many triggers the entire table had to help me keep up
@@gabrieljalbert6026 you had sooooo many triggers to keep track of. Good game.
@@gabrieljalbert6026 Right? You did a great job considering. I love decks with tons of triggers. It's a mental workout. I'd love to see your decklist if you're willing to share.
@@gabrieljalbert6026 was a fun game to watch, but i am wondering what else you changed about the Precon Deck. I have it but dont know what to change, your Version seemed to work fine so i was wondering if you could post your Decklist. ^^
Why do so many people play on this channel without knowing what their commander does? I can understand misplays, but literally not reading the one card you made a deck for???
I built rionya as soon as I saw her and she’s still my favorite deck to play to this day
Me too! I feel like people have slept on her or something lol I only recently starting seeing more UA-cam videos on her but her and alibou were my first builds when strixhaven came out
I built Sefris recently and I can confirm, once it gets going, the amount of value it can produce is insane. Radiant Solar lets you race through dungeons like crazy.
i like the synergy Jalbert is doing with Sefris of the Hidden Ways, it also looks like at a certain point he can actually manage to "do his thing" without the commander in play anymore. Really neat deck.
Kevin, the "mr. 2 place" of generic goblin gang.
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You untapped with Krrik and Celebrant while at 29 life. You could have cast Villis for 2 black (swamps) and then used krrik + celebrant to pay 9 life for the remaining 3 generic and then 6 life to cover villis black pips. Leaving you at 14. It would have been risky but Krrik + villis is basically a yawgmoth's bargain. Depending on rest of deck dropping to 4 or 6 and drawing 8 to 10 cards could have put you in the driver seat. Krrik has lifelink so you can clawback quite a bit depending on boardstate.
It occurs to me that Blood Celebrant + K'rrik make an improved Treasonous Ogre. You could have *LITERALLY* emptied your hand, so long as you had the life to pay.
He full on could have dropped his commander and started churning through his deck that turn, but it would have left him vulnerable if he didn't find anything to defend with (which is doubtful).
That Klothys playmat was sweet, but the Dungeon deck was even sweeter, so tempted to buy one... Even if Esper is not my style, draw and discard then reanimate looks so much fun.
I've had some really good times with rionya. Happy to see more gameplay videos on it since she's been my favorite mono red commander ever since she came out. Rionya and alibou were my first two builds out of strixhaven and I enjoy them both so much... on another note for rionya I think I definitely have a more different build though because this definitely seemed like a tobran deck in the beginning more than anything else lol
Thanks Andrew for pointing out path lighters trigger is on a player, so you can trigger more than once per combat phase. 😁
Just built Rionya recently. She has been a total blast to play.
cool game, but the doomed necromancer should have had summoning sickness the first time
Saw that and immediately looked for a comment on this. My guess is that round went on for so long that they forgot
My god a vilis deck with skirge familiar in hand from the start makes my black heart and soul happy :3
I built Sefris recently and have honestly loved it. So much more powerful than I expected.
Great video, I actually really wanna see that mono red list and sefris too!
Decklist for Sefris!!!
Edit : Man that's freaking rough to see the phrase "*opp* hates me". Sorry for this animosity...
My Sefris deck routinely goes off like that. Just churning through my graveyard and reanimating fatties like Sheoldred and Sepulchral Primordial. Ashen Rider is one of the best creatures in the deck alongside Karmic Guide. I’ve exiled 8 permanents in a turn once.
Horror has trample Jalbert should take 6 for blocking with Strix.. also you didnt attack the turn after despite Kardur being in effect
Oh, great, now I want to build Sefris
It’s worth it. Having a mechanic no one can target that gets you solid treasure token, +1+1 counters and card draw that can be done efficiently is pretty awesome. Mad mage can go crazy too
Haven’t even started watching but I know with Rionya and cilia this games gonna be a madness
Under Rionya you almost never give away your actual Humble Deflector. It's a shame he didn't know how Rionya worked in the beginning. Rionya is really powerful. In my play group, if I play my Rionya deck, they try keeping me from getting her on the field.
Imagine building an entire commander deck and not knowing what your commander does...
@@treycuret lol..right? that small detail of her copying 1 creat on her own was the seller for me that I wanted her as a commander
Man, I NEED that Sefris Decklist
I love Sefris, I built mine as a graveyard life drain deck with running tomb of annilation over and over again, but I might have to add some of these pieces to my deck 🤔
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Holy god, Sefris, Esper Reanimator with Dungeons, who would have guessed
I have Sefris Deck, yeah it gets out of hand FAST
@@ddurst1 It's really cool, I wanna build it now lol, who would have known that the Venture Into Dungeon precon commander would have me so interested.
I was so excited to see Vilis pop off ;(
12/10. Jah-ber sounds way fancier than the usual Jôl-bér we ear shouted at random around the store.
Cool game, but several misplays. The Hellion has trample, so chump blocking wouldn’t have been effective for Jalbert.
Additionally, Riona’s effect could have been so much more impactful if the card was correctly.
Also that new card for Sephris says “whenever one or more creatures deal combat damage, venture into the dungeon.” Therefore, only venture trigger should have occurred after that attack.
Can you provide me a timestamp for the ventures? Some of them happened on attack, some happened upon connecting. Additionally, it may have been just me fast-tracking some of the abilities in narration to simplify.
@@MTGMuddstah 4:35
@@michaelmurphy275 Oh, I see where the confusion is. Pathlighter actually can trigger more than once. If you read the ability "Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, venture into the dungeon." it's the clause "to a player" that matters here.
If Jalbert had hit me with 4 creatures and Kevin with 1, it would still only trigger the two times.
@@MTGMuddstah Actually just had this talk with my friend! I have been playing my Midnight Pathlighter wrong all this time! Great to see a Sefris though! My deck has come on leaps and bounds and seeing your games always gives me more ideas!
@@MTGMuddstah oh right! I’m so used to single player games on Magic the Gathering Arena when I play brawl! My apologies!
Sad. I was really hoping to see Vilis do some nonsense. I love that card
Hi, i am having trouble understanding the part where Rionya doesn't trigger even though no instant or sorcery spell's were cast. I have the card myself and am having difficulties finding the ruling on the specifics for it not to trigger once, because if X is 0 then shouldn't it be 0 + 1 = 1?
Ah yes, re watching it makes more sense now.
He just repeat the sentence that it doesnt work that way, but dont explain it in general. I‘m still confused, because i dont get it either ;)
Awesome to see a Sefris deck pop off!!
rionya is such a great commander, but it pains me to see the amount of nonbos and misplays in maxwell's deck. read the card maxwell!
Hi! Do you already have the Jalbert list? :) Keep up the good work
Jalbert couldn't have activated the Humble Defector
on your end step since it says "Activate only during your turn.", plus he kept it after using it's ability and didn't give it to someone else.
He used it as an attacker, not for its ability.
I love demonstrate as a commander mechanic, I hope it comes back
Rooting for vilis hope he runs lich effects ( :
Sefris was a big surprise, very cool deck
Get ready for class
Get me that Kardur List! I'll become a patron. But only if I get it!
13:34 Doesn't that Doomed Necromancer have summoning sickness?
13:55 Was that missplay? Kardur should force the Villis player's creatures to attack, right?
Edit: Not that it mattered anyway.
Can't wait for that maxwell list
You can not Unequipped artifact from creatures there has to be a reason why you cannot just pay the equip cost again and move it
Doomed necromancer had summoning sickness when he used it
Imagine spending hundreds of dollars for a commander deck but you haven't even read the text of the commander
Are we sure the dungeon is lost?
Sefris missed a dungeon trigger at 6:40
They also missed a suntitan trigger when if first attacked, he wouldve been able to get the doomed necromancer back
How did he play Rionya on turn 2 with only 4 mana?
I really want to know Kardur´s decklist
No sefris decklist?
I thought sefris was bad before watching this. The combo potential is real.
i need that sefris decklist
You had krrik and celebrant and didn't just wipe the board and draw your deck?
They don't combo together, but rather with Vilis. K'rrik would have let me cast Vilis if I had access to 5 mana, which I was sadly stuck on 3.
The Celebrant only works with Vilis, but yes, I could draw as many cards as I had life total.
@@MTGMuddstah the celebrants cost can be paid with phyrexian mana with kriik out. Kriik doesn't just change casting costs but anything with a pip
I hope we get to see rionya again
Sefris cycling sounds fun
Early gang, I'm back!
The goblin token dying in combat (goes to graveyard and cease to exist) would have made Sefris venture into the dungeon and so completing it during that turn...
The way Sefris is worded (Whenever a creature card...), he unfortunately doesn't trigger off tokens. As my LGS judge told me when I tried, tokens are not cards in that regard.
2:32 duuuude it's his deck how does he miss that?!
Heartbroken, Jalbert! How you gonna do this to us
Isn't Sefris "only once each turn" trigger?
Sefris is awesome but why did no one have any boardwipes the whole game
Can we get sefris list?
Was sefris venturing more than once a turn?
Why did Sefris trigger venture twice on T4, Pathlighter says "whenever one OR MORE" so its just one trigger
Counts per opponent. Not per creature
@@Zackeus1992 that's what I meant, should trigger only once. I did went searching and apparently that wording allows to trigger twice if you deal combat damage to two different players.
i need that rionya deck
Gg jalbert!!!!
If only sefris had a sac outlet
OH MY GOD RIONYA
Sefris is so underrated
Good game 👍
You could have used kirrik with blood celebrant to get a treasonous ogre effect I think, right?
Nope. Celebrant has you paying 1 black and 1 life to make 1 of any color of mana. It filters.
@@MTGMuddstah krrik + celebrant = pay 3 life make 1 mana of any color (krrik lets you waive the up front B).
@@MTGMuddstah You can pay activation costs with Kirrik.
K’rrik’s ability lets you pay 2 life for {B} in any cost you pay, including casting costs, activation costs, and even costs for special actions (such as morph). Any time you pay mana, that’s a cost.
did I count only ONE removal spell played all game? yikes!
Awww why so much people hate you ?? Everyone is interested in their decklist, tell them glory and fame awaits them...
Kardur just bring lots of chaos but never wins lol
Pronouncing Jalbert's name ua-cam.com/video/Z6oeAdemFZw/v-deo.html
story of every kardur Deck. Get second place having no answer in Hand to overwhelming board
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show me this youtube
Sefris is once each turn.. i belive you have taken him up to 11 here
Sefris isn't the only card that's doing venturing in Jalbert's deck. He built it around the whole mechanic!