How to use Dirty Down Rust correctly! Add cool rust effects to your Warhammer models and terrain!
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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You guys know I'm a fan of weathering and adding something other than just paint on to my models. I think it adds a lot more to tell a story of what the model has been through and it's a great way to finish the model off. I've been meaning to try the Dirty Down effects range for a while and now then I was very kindly sent some by Eire Hobbies to try out...so here we are! While this video is not sponsored by Eire Hobbies I highly recommend checking them out if you're in Ireland-next day delivery is a godsend! I messed around with the rust and learned as I went, and decided to make a video on each of the range, Rust, Verdigris, and Moss! So stay tuned and learn how to add something special to your models, in a very quick and easy way-perfect for my channel!
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it might be good to know that Dirty Down has a history of making products that weather and dirty down props and costumes, and such for the movie and theater industry. The rust, moss, and verdigris products are all just downsized pots of what they use when making props and such, it is not really designed the same way as many other products made specifically for the miniature painting hobby. So this is a product that you need to experiment a fair bit with to learn how it behaves and what effects you can achieve. That's the price you pay for using the same products they use in movies and in theaters :)
Good to know thanks pal
I found adding a bit a water before painting it on (making sure it’s all warm) gives good results but never thought of taking some off afterwards. Loved the effect and will give it a go
Ye need to remember the warm part next time.
Hi again Andy. I found if you water it down while wet after applying and re stipple it hard with a stiff brush you get a light rusty foam that dries like a lighter but corrosive rust. Amazingly good and stretches the bottle further !☺️👍🏻
Oh that you so much that’s awesome. Need to try that now.
Love the Stiff drybrush off option though. Looks great. Wish we could post before and after pics here.
Great video - I went through a similar journey as you with the Rust and Verdigris paints. I still haven't worked out how to get moss to pop as vibrantly as I've seen others achieve, so looking forwards to you testing it.
I've also found that just spraying/splashing water onto models (particularly terrain) after a thin rust/Verdigris later, and allowing to pool and dry will give pretty great, random result too.
Ambient humidity can also reactive the paint. Not to the degree it'll streak, but after a particularly humid day here, I noticed some of mine turned even more orange, which looked fine, but if you do reach a point you're happy with, sealing with varnish is probably a requirement.
I'm sure there's some effect from the varnish itself too, but I've been lucky to not had a big effect.
Thanks pal. That’s really helpful.
Just out of curiosity which varnish do you tend to use?
@@jeffvimes I've tried both airbrush applied (Vallejo) and rattlecan (I think it was Squirts brand, which might be Australia budget line) and have both been good, so far. I use Satin by default.
got this stuff ordered from amazon for my ork vehicles, cant wait till it arrives, just need to find more metallic paints to use than just leadbelcher
Do you mean other colours or other paint ranges? Duncan Rhodes metallic paints are great!
The big challenge is sealing it. I gave up trying as it just changed the look anytime I sealed it with a varnish.
Why do you need to seal it. It’s very dry to the touch. And quite durable unless it touches water.
I used enamels on top of the rust and it didn't change visibly. Enamel varnish could possibly work?
Varnishing minis always makes them look terrible
If you throw a patch or two of typhus corrosion underneath for some interesting texture prior to the rust you can get some amazing effects too.
Oh that’s a great idea, definitely want to try that! Thanks for that!
Another good report, can you clarify how to seal it so it won’t rub off please
When it dries it is actually really tough. It’s only when water is applied. So no sealing.
This is spooky timing. I actually received an order from Eirehobbies yesterday with the Rust and Moss. My plan is to use it on my Boarding Actions scenery but think I’ll try it out on some spare parts first.
Oh wow that is weird timing! Boarding Actions scenery would be perfect for this stuff!! Kinda wish I had this before I painted mine! Yeah give it a go on spare stuff first, it does take a bit of practice plus you can figure out different levels of rust for different areas etc!
Thanks for the vid. I use similar however I struggle to think that 40K years on the future we have nor figured out an alloy that does nor rust
That is an excellent point! I doubt it’s a big priority though given the utter chaos going on everywhere 😂
They probably have but its probably too expensive to waste on random defensive barriers, knowing how the Imperium is
Peachy over at the Painting Phase hit it out of the park with this stuff. Go watch his video on the Gallowdark Terrain. Use water! Lots of water.
Will check it out, thanks so much!
Hiya, thanks for showing what doesn't work with this stuff, as well as what does.
Did you find a way to seal the rust afterwards without ruining the effect? As good as a Death Guard force with this effect would look, it would wear off with handling because of the water solubility. Spray can varnish deadens the effect significantly too.
Any thoughts on ways around that?
I didn't bother sealing it! It's not anywhere where i would handle the terrain so i'm just leaving it for now and being careful with it!
Fair enough @MediocreHobbies , thanks for getting back to me.
If you come up with a plan for sealing a force of Blight Kings or Plague Marines that have had a generous amount of Dirty Down Rust applied, then I'm all ears :)
Amazing. Really useful seeing you try a few things that didn't work as well.
The biggest question I have after watching this video is why do you own a hair dryer???
Exactly for this reason 😄 I refuse to believe you meant anything else by this comment 😂
Sorry if this has been asked already. Do you varnish over the product? If so, what are you using for varnish? If you do not, how does the product hold up over time? I would be using for tabletop pieces so they would be getting a fair amount of handling.
I don’t no. It mite reactivate so I wouldn’t risk it.
So should i varnish before/after applying this stuff? I painted it directly onto my bloodcrushers (verdigris) and ive left it for 2 weeks, coming back to it, i tried putting a small touch of citadel virdigris and its washed the paint off completely. I use it quite a lot as opposed to fine detail. Still watching the vid incase you answer it, eventually aha
Any sort of moisture will reactivate it so if you want to paint over a motel spray if may varnish is a good idea.
I really like this product; started using on all my Guard motor pool to a real nice result. The metal mixing ball is a nice touch, as you said it's thick goop. Doing a couple passes worked for me, and I also found when i did the second run with a bit of water loaded in my brush i liked all the variance and gradients that I got. Didn't use a hair dryer, my painting lights were hot enough. Final touches I did do a reductive rub over with a cotton tshirt when it was half dry, and then a light dry brush of steel/aluminum. It does take a while to finally dry, it was hours later when I put "snow" on the model, the rust leached through a bit.
Sounds ace pal.
I wonder if you applied it wrong so you could walk people through the process and also show how you can use water to recover from overuse - either way you did find another cool way to use this :) Most people I've seen apply a bit on the most weathered but not all parts, let it dry a bit and then use water on a brush to spread it further, add more colour variety and cover the less corroded areas.
Sponge stippling works well too
Good to know. Thank you.
If you ever used enamel washes, the reduction technique is key. I always like to put some texture paint e.g. typhus corrosion onto the pieces first to get that crusted look
did the same on a fallen AT-ST for some Star Wars Legion terrain. caked on up to three layers for that extra crust! :D
Solid idea thanks
This works better when diluted with water
Interesting. Need to try it.
Jesus chr... been looking for a REAL rust looking paint - one without having to use various brands and a LOT of different colors...
I will definately be getting this one!
Having some grates and chains in a dungeon that I need to "rust up" haha :D
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Make sure you check out the comments on the video too, some people added some more tips that might help you!
Do you need the seal it after
Cheers pal.
Now what about sealing it.
No need ad far ad I can see once dry it’s touch safe.
You need to mix water into it before you apply it, and you’ll save yourself tons of time.
I haven’t seen anybody mix water with it. I need to try This. What ratio are we talking.
Very late to the party, but I've had good effects with this product on my Chaos Knights by stippling it on instead of brushing it on and without washing it if after.
Cheers pal. I shall give it a try.
Glad I am not alone in not getting the magic results on first use. I was getting totally disheartened seeing everyone else getting those stunning effects seemingly on first use all over UA-cam and not being able to find any evidence at all of anyone getting the same sludgy brown mess I was getting.
In the end I found the closes I could get to the results I was seeing online was if I kept my brush fairly wet, far more than if I was using regular paint, got me useable but inconsistent results. But I have never been completely happy with this stuff.
It’s for sure a skill that needs to be practiced. It’s not easy to use.
You have to use a black background to show off your paint job.
That white background is blinding. I can barely see the piece.
I do agree, white is usually the standard, but black does look better!
2 min intro xD wow
Every dam video. I love hearing myself talk.
Oh I quite like the final result! Where I'm at it's a bit dear to apply neat then wash off; watering it down seems a good compromise.
Perhaps I’m really not sure what effect you would get your way.
Great showcase of how to use this stuff well. Dirty Down Rust is a great tool, but its not a magic bullet, it still needs some work to get it looking 'right'.
Thanks so much! Yes it’s definitely not as simple as it seems but it’s also interesting to see different people’s views of what they want rust to look like so it’s a great product for getting very varied results!
Love this! I tried it on a rhino, not sure I did it right. How long do you let the dirty down dry before removing the water?
Not long at all. Only a few minutes.
I keep trying everything in these guides but mine always just looks brown
I think its the shaking thing. It really is a nightmare to get it all mixed up. Make sure your stirring it really well.
Nice! I have had this product for awhile but got discouraged for the same reason on initial testing. I’ll try the drybrush technique with water myself soon.
Let me know how it goes.
@@MediocreHobbies I tried it out - I used it on some undead models. It worked really well for the large areas of armor that were plate or flat , but on weapons it had mixed effects. I found that coming back to it after with some light drybrush highlights of an iron or steel made it better on the edges of weapons. Great results in the end. Thanks again for sharing !
Thank you for this tutorial. Very useful for hiding mistakes I've made on my ork vehicles.
Great to hear pal.
When using the paint mixer did you have a mixing ball on the jar? They work a lot better that way.
Of course it comes with a mixing ball inside it. This stuff is like nothing you have mixed before.
That looks amazing in the end, the light bit of silver is a great touch. I wonder if you wanted very runny rust drips if pipetting a small amount to run down from bolts would look good. Great review/tutorial.👍🏻
Oh that’s a brilliant idea, going to need to try that out on something! Thanks so much for that, and glad you enjoyed the video as well!
Nailed it! Looks great - thanks for posting
Appreciate it pal.
@@MediocreHobbies No problem. Send money.
Use a black Primer, and After use the rust, the effect Is very Rust.
Will give that a go as some point too, thanks for the tip!
Thank you.
Nice one! I have a bottle and will try out the water reductive technique!
Yes do try it! It’s definitely something to play around with and see how you like the results!
Would love some of this for my Nurgle army. Looking forward to the Moss video, that would be really good for scenery.
Yeah I’m very curious to see how the moss works for basing too! And yes this stuff is perfect for nurgle!
Thanks for this great and helpful video. I experienced just the same issues. 😀
Now what I was looking for was you dirty down moss video and couldn’t find it. That stuff is really hard to master so it would be awesome to see a vid on that. Thanks a bunch for all you do. :)
I do indeed and need to show the other once and I have them.
Great video , excited to see how you use the moss!!
I’m also excited to see to see what I can do with the other two.
Thank you! I needed this video
Glad you liked it!
I've used this before and found a spray bottle with mist works really well especially with the verdigris
Oh that’s good to know, will give that a go, thanks so much!
I am gonna paint my room with this paint after seeing this!!!!!! Rust for the Rust God!!!
😂😂😂 please share photos if you do!
start watching you when the old world started and this i will using when starting my tomb kings army
Oh that would be a great place to use this stuff, glad you’re enjoying the videos!
Thank you!
Anytime pal.
I had been telling you for months this stuff is magic in a bottle, I use it so much
Yeah looking forward to trying the rest of the range now too
That does look really good
Thanks so much!
Others have said it here, but I’d like to confirm. Adding water to it and drying it with warm air both create great effects.
Yes still need to try more stuff with it and it’s great getting tips in the comments! I’m sure you’ll see me using it in future videos too!
Good video but I don’t think it’s really worth it overall.
That’s fair enough! Thanks for watching and commenting anyway, appreciate it!
@@MediocreHobbies you seen the Steel legion are available to order shortly. Shall I buy all in anticipation of future videos ? 😂
@@Toshiba1976 I do have a full steel legion army that requires paint so maybe lol
@@MediocreHobbies ya know ya wanna lol. I got the email about special ordering them. Waying it up as the are expensive in relation to vehicles etc
Looks really good, now I have to work out how I get it in the UK.
Ebay
pretty sure the company is uk-based, is it not? :P
Pretty sure you can get it from element games.
@@ecMonify Ireland. No.
As people have said, a number of online model shops sell it. I got a pack of rust, verdigris, and moss off eBay at a slightly better price.
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Hahaha cheers pal.
Never seen it used like that. Great product but too expensive to use like that.
Add water, put on where you want it, when dry add more water to get a brighter orange.
There are lots and lots of people that have videos on how to use this stuff. It might have been better if you'd done a bit more research. Just saying😊
I watched quite a lot of the other creators videos and learned that they all do it differently and get different results. I’m not sure if you actually watched the video as I go through the process of trying out different ways and found my way to be the most useful for me. And I guess we have different ideas on expensive. Just saying :-)
@Mediocre Hobbies thanks for the reply. I said expensive because compared to, say, citadel paints (which I feel are expensive), dirty down rust is twice as expensive per ml in the uk and then there is the p&p on top because not many shops stock it.
I did watch the whole video, and in general, I love your videos and painting style. However, with this video, I was less impressed. I was. It felt like your first attempt you hadn't read the instructions nor watched any videos of others. You appeared to just smear on a thick brown mess over everything and were surprised when it looked like you had thrown a bucket of gravy at the piece. I've been using it for a while, and while I liked your final piece, I feel you could have got there from the beginning AND then tried to perfect the approach. Maybe this video wasn't aimed at me?
I use a mixture of approaches from about a year ago, Artis Opus and a few others (though I now can't find the video on watering it - could have been squidmar. Firstly I use a texture paint where I want the thickest rust, fine chalky dust in some brown paint, then hairdryer, then dirty down where I want the rust(crevices, under rivets, corners and streaks etc), finally stipple with DD rust where I want darker rust and reactivate with a damp brush where I want orange and lighter rust. I dry with a hairdryer again. Finally, a coat of matt varnish.
It works for me and uses far less paint and goes where I put it mostly. There are other ideas like using clingfilm to give a random surface rust pattern, etc, that are good ideas.
Keep up the great work👍.