Good video Brent. Digestible size. You looked very uncomfortable plugging scooterTuning. It’ll get easier. Maybe a longer rambling approach like Alex does for sponsors of 2 stroke stuffing
Im building my 1995 piaggio nrg on airsal xtreme 78,5cc, with original stroke! I will bore cases as you shown some time ago... Your videos are really helpful and just.. Nice 🎉
If you need more room for the carburator, i would suggest using a racing subframe, which have dedicated space for oversized carburators as yours. Also, i'd suggest a PWK carburator which are indicated for these kind of setups. Great work!!
Thanks. Considering a bigger flat slide carb in the future. I have a Lectron, but that thing was such a piston destroyer on my 86cc that I'm not sure I want it on this engine.
Here in Europe, we don't use the 360 degree manifolds, they are moving too much for our roads and end up cracking or leaking after 30-60km. We use the Stage6 R/T intake manifold rubber, which fits perfectly with the Malossi cases, and works beautifully. And also the Dell'Orto VSHT's are very picky when it comes to tuning, so we switch them up to PWK's or even the Polini CP Evo 24mm just for the ease of tuning and longevity.
think a great way fot the people how had a 50cc scoot is like we did it in 1990 or startribg 2000. stoke 3hp stoke with a pipe 6 hp 67/70ccm kit 7 hp with a pipe and carburator 10-11hp withe a fullbuild engine 70cc, crank, vario, inlet, exhuast, inginon 21-22mm carb 17-18hp I think a Polini evo 70cc kit with a crank up to 16000 rpm. a 21 to 24mm carb the topferformence nardo pipe. a polini /malsoosi overragne kit . and you are fucking fast!!! ok a cluch is needet. bur on a normal road this setup is nuts! its not a hellcat but its cheap, self build and its fucking fast on the street! look ua-cam.com/video/G-W6rHaDqZE/v-deo.html
It's still in the garage. Believe it or not, it's incredibly time consuming trying to film everything I do with scoots/mopeds and make what I hope to be quality videos so I always end up struggling to get stuff done. My intention is to get that thing going though. I'm an automatic guy, so it will be fun/interesting to me for the manual aside from just having a different bike.
I still like the clones. I think you can build quite an engine on a sort of low budget... but this is hard to go back from. I'd still like to put my 86cc in another scoot, either for me to ride as well or to get friends to join me.
Great video Brent thankyou for the update😎👌, I'm very keen to see what you've got planned for the bike. I'm putting my 70cc jog motor back together put the crank, bearings and seals in yesterday I'm going to start a thread in the forum with some build pics. Also add the port map of the KN planning 3ex port cylinder to the port map thread if there's not one allready.
great video as always, on I used a 5mm spacer under the reed, it gives a lot of space, for the carb, and I ran with a dellorto vhsh 30mm. I actually have a polini thor airbox, with costum airfilter. helps a lot
I really thought they were supposed to handle Aerox stuff. Are there 12" wheels that bolt onto an Aerox without mods? Could be useful if someone wanted to buy slicks that aren't very common in 13".
@@49ccscoot Here in spain, people swap the Aerox engine with the Jog to get rear disc. So we use the rear wheels from: Malaguti F15, Aprilia Rally and Benelli 491, which have stock 12" wheels with rear disc. I dont know if these models exist in your country, they're very old too so it's hard to find them. These wheels have become really expensive and they are used mostly in racing scooters
Depends on a lot of factors. If you are a two-stroke enthusiast, a sport setup can be lots of fun and very reliable. Of course what will probably be the most sensible is to find a liquid cooled EFI bike that does what you want out of the box with a factory warranty. So many possibilities. Just don't use a racing engine for a daily rider unless you enjoy teardowns. They aren't meant for racking up the miles long term and you may regret the snappy power delivery when you're in rain or anything slick.
br10eg i had that thing!!!! br10eix is ok! i and all people i know had the same issue. You drive and its all good. next day the engine reves up and you got miss fire. soundslike the enginen is leaning out. at a new br10eg and the problem is gone! Aprilia af1/rs 125/Rotax 123-122 Engins have thats problem to. The recomendet spakplug is the br10eg. This problemn goes back if i know to the 1992-1993 rotax engines. back in the days we changed to b10es for the long or b10hs for the short version! it was cheaper and runs! the other problem is that a 10 from 1 manufactor is not the same as from a other manufactor. Bosch maks it the oposit. a ngk 8 is bosch 5 and a nkg 9 is a bosch 4 and so on. there a tablels that show a nkg 8 is the same as a 5 bosch but the tabel is made for standart engians with lot off error calculatet. thats not for racing engins or heayetunde 2 stokes. Finding the perfect spakplug is 10-100x harder than to find the perfect mainjet! Imagen you have the best mainjet etc for your engine with a nkg10 its perfect! now you switch to a 9 from a perfect hell brown plug. now its dark brown. this is craszy when you tune by parkplug interpretation. it looks to rich, ok lean it out! for the most people ther is no diffenz. you can drive allday long lean on full thottel for 5-10 or even more secends. but if you drive it binäre 0-100-0-100 like you are racing that thing on DRAG this enginen goes from 1 stroke to a solid rock almost instendly.
That's what I'm here for. Not a fan of folks that are fast and won't share or just wanna sell parts and all of that stuff. Whatever I learn/know, I'm willing to share and I try to be honest even when I screw up.
So I have question if use 70cc taiwan race kit whit round top piston can I use the 50cc head for smaller chamber and more compression bc in googel I read it will help on some 2t bikes and some friends told me to do it
Possibly. You will need to check squish clearance for sure and it wouldn't be a bad idea to check compression. Ideally you'd have a head designed for the setup with proper squish and the correct size and angle for the squish band with a combustion chamber sized to meet the needs of the setup, but that may work.
@49ccScoot well I got alot to say about the set up it works great starts good and it saves fuell it has more than 50% more power and its good for 17.5 delorto carb whit 95jet and 48 small
I wonder as Michelin do the Power Pure SC in a 130/60-13. Would that be enough to get you enough room to move the mud guard away from the carb slightly? Nice update.
They are braided. The front was an expensive one that I had to also get my own ends for. The rear was like $15.... but seems to work fine. The first rear hose was from E-Ton and probably $30 IIRC.
Same CVT on the other engine, just the Minarelli version. What I think the issue is, is that when I got the fancy aluminum version I was disappointed to see less travel in the rear pulley than the steel version I had. Naturally, I modified it.
I'm currently within about 6-7 tenths in the eighth mile of a guy with a 34mm PWK, different exhaust, longer and lower scoot so he can hammer the throttle on launch, and he's over 100 pounds lighter than me and his scooter is around 30 pounds lighter. I've raced him multiple times on a track so it's not just numbers on paper. I think this thing would easily go a few tenths faster just if I could use all of the throttle at takeoff, let alone the huge weight difference or him punching a smaller hole in the air. I don't think it's begging for a big carb as many seem to say it is, but I won't claim that it may not pick up some small amount of power up top. I think right now the main reason I am considering a different carb is because that same person doesn't seem to need to be on the edge with float height to keep it from starving or overflowing like I have been.
Could you fashion a spacer plate to sandwich between the float bowl and carb body to increase the fuel capacity in the bowl or would that require main jet mods too? I’m wanting to say I remember that dellorto having a wierd main jet setup I’m not familiar with so that might not even be feasible
@@robertmason8341 It wouldn't do a lot of good to just add fuel capacity. The main jet would have to go lower in the bowl. Easier solution is a small length of tube to level the carb out better (or entire custom intake). The tube would add length to the intake tract, but may not make much real world difference. I have some mandrel bent tubing and a coupler around. Just gotta get around to trying it... and when it's working fine I'm not that motivated to mess with things like that. Usually it works fine... it just likes to surprise me sometimes.
I got mine from AliExpress. Just searched Adelin levers. Lots of places carry them, but they were roughly half the price on Ali and seem to be legit. Only took a couple of weeks.
I just put a BR10EIX in there, literally a few minutes ago, to try for myself as well. The 10EG is what I used in the TPR 86cc and they held up pretty well in that. I think the IW34 is on the cold side for people that aren't all throttle all the time.
@@49ccscoot NGK EIX is also a good spark plug, but I don't use it, for the reason that it only gets better when the RPM in the engine gets up to around 13-15000rpm, it is only then that the eix spark plug gets better than the NGK EG spark plug, and I never keep my engine up to the RPM, I usually stay at 12-14500 RPM but you will be happy with both spark plugs, no doubt about that...
Been looking forward to this..
It's been awhile but yeah 👍
It's been a year already? I really need to ride my four other scooters that's been sitting
They disappear quicker and quicker.
The beard looks good on you man 👌🏽👌🏽🍻🍻
Thanks.
Good video Brent. Digestible size. You looked very uncomfortable plugging scooterTuning. It’ll get easier. Maybe a longer rambling approach like Alex does for sponsors of 2 stroke stuffing
Im building my 1995 piaggio nrg on airsal xtreme 78,5cc, with original stroke! I will bore cases as you shown some time ago... Your videos are really helpful and just.. Nice 🎉
Hi,hi i'm using a mini billetron carb with cr85 intake and don't touch the fender.try them
change region to something like germany or another countrys where mopeds is popular, to get more views, your videos are so good thank you
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If you need more room for the carburator, i would suggest using a racing subframe, which have dedicated space for oversized carburators as yours. Also, i'd suggest a PWK carburator which are indicated for these kind of setups. Great work!!
Thanks. Considering a bigger flat slide carb in the future. I have a Lectron, but that thing was such a piston destroyer on my 86cc that I'm not sure I want it on this engine.
Love ur videos brent keep it up❤️
Love the garage update and the video format! Really Awesome!
Here in Europe, we don't use the 360 degree manifolds, they are moving too much for our roads and end up cracking or leaking after 30-60km. We use the Stage6 R/T intake manifold rubber, which fits perfectly with the Malossi cases, and works beautifully. And also the Dell'Orto VSHT's are very picky when it comes to tuning, so we switch them up to PWK's or even the Polini CP Evo 24mm just for the ease of tuning and longevity.
Thanks for the info.
Interesting. Thanks 😎
Great and detailed update, Brent.
think a great way fot the people how had a 50cc scoot is like we did it in 1990 or startribg 2000.
stoke 3hp
stoke with a pipe 6 hp
67/70ccm kit 7 hp with a pipe and carburator 10-11hp
withe a fullbuild engine 70cc, crank, vario, inlet, exhuast, inginon 21-22mm carb 17-18hp
I think a Polini evo 70cc kit with a crank up to 16000 rpm. a 21 to 24mm carb the topferformence nardo pipe. a polini /malsoosi overragne kit . and you are fucking fast!!! ok a cluch is needet. bur on a normal road this setup is nuts! its not a hellcat but its cheap, self build and its fucking fast on the street! look ua-cam.com/video/G-W6rHaDqZE/v-deo.html
get the laser moped back of the junkyard!
It's still in the garage. Believe it or not, it's incredibly time consuming trying to film everything I do with scoots/mopeds and make what I hope to be quality videos so I always end up struggling to get stuff done. My intention is to get that thing going though. I'm an automatic guy, so it will be fun/interesting to me for the manual aside from just having a different bike.
excellent update and the shops looking great.
Thanks!
really glad u throw this cpi chinese minarelli clones out and go for the real stuff
I still like the clones. I think you can build quite an engine on a sort of low budget... but this is hard to go back from. I'd still like to put my 86cc in another scoot, either for me to ride as well or to get friends to join me.
Great video Brent thankyou for the update😎👌, I'm very keen to see what you've got planned for the bike. I'm putting my 70cc jog motor back together put the crank, bearings and seals in yesterday I'm going to start a thread in the forum with some build pics. Also add the port map of the KN planning 3ex port cylinder to the port map thread if there's not one allready.
great video as always, on I used a 5mm spacer under the reed, it gives a lot of space, for the carb, and I ran with a dellorto vhsh 30mm. I actually have a polini thor airbox, with costum airfilter. helps a lot
i thought the mudguard was designed for a 12" wheel, seems they swap down to 12" wheels in europe for racing
I really thought they were supposed to handle Aerox stuff. Are there 12" wheels that bolt onto an Aerox without mods? Could be useful if someone wanted to buy slicks that aren't very common in 13".
@@49ccscoot Here in spain, people swap the Aerox engine with the Jog to get rear disc. So we use the rear wheels from: Malaguti F15, Aprilia Rally and Benelli 491, which have stock 12" wheels with rear disc. I dont know if these models exist in your country, they're very old too so it's hard to find them. These wheels have become really expensive and they are used mostly in racing scooters
Great production on this video. Easy and enjoyable to watch!
I just ordered an rc-1 94cc i think your videos will be a big help
Awesome! It's a lot of fun!
@@49ccscoot yeah i cant wait but its waiting in customs for clearance, i sent the 5016 form, but how long does it take?
So, what do you suggest as a commuter?
Depends on a lot of factors. If you are a two-stroke enthusiast, a sport setup can be lots of fun and very reliable. Of course what will probably be the most sensible is to find a liquid cooled EFI bike that does what you want out of the box with a factory warranty. So many possibilities. Just don't use a racing engine for a daily rider unless you enjoy teardowns. They aren't meant for racking up the miles long term and you may regret the snappy power delivery when you're in rain or anything slick.
br10eg i had that thing!!!! br10eix is ok! i and all people i know had the same issue. You drive and its all good. next day the engine reves up and you got miss fire. soundslike the enginen is leaning out. at a new br10eg and the problem is gone! Aprilia af1/rs 125/Rotax 123-122 Engins have thats problem to. The recomendet spakplug is the br10eg. This problemn goes back if i know to the 1992-1993 rotax engines. back in the days we changed to b10es for the long or b10hs for the short version! it was cheaper and runs!
the other problem is that a 10 from 1 manufactor is not the same as from a other manufactor. Bosch maks it the oposit. a ngk 8 is bosch 5 and a nkg 9 is a bosch 4 and so on. there a tablels that show a nkg 8 is the same as a 5 bosch but the tabel is made for standart engians with lot off error calculatet. thats not for racing engins or heayetunde 2 stokes.
Finding the perfect spakplug is 10-100x harder than to find the perfect mainjet! Imagen you have the best mainjet etc for your engine with a nkg10 its perfect! now you switch to a 9 from a perfect hell brown plug. now its dark brown. this is craszy when you tune by parkplug interpretation. it looks to rich, ok lean it out! for the most people ther is no diffenz. you can drive allday long lean on full thottel for 5-10 or even more secends. but if you drive it binäre 0-100-0-100 like you are racing that thing on DRAG this enginen goes from 1 stroke to a solid rock almost instendly.
i have to thang you!! great viedos!!! nothing is hide you arre a real guy! respekt!!! every day ther is more fake shit. but you keep it real!
That's what I'm here for. Not a fan of folks that are fast and won't share or just wanna sell parts and all of that stuff. Whatever I learn/know, I'm willing to share and I try to be honest even when I screw up.
@@49ccscoot i have you in my heart bro!!! i can not share all the shit that in know. thats fucked up! but i can give you tips
So I have question if use 70cc taiwan race kit whit round top piston can I use the 50cc head for smaller chamber and more compression bc in googel I read it will help on some 2t bikes and some friends told me to do it
Possibly. You will need to check squish clearance for sure and it wouldn't be a bad idea to check compression. Ideally you'd have a head designed for the setup with proper squish and the correct size and angle for the squish band with a combustion chamber sized to meet the needs of the setup, but that may work.
@49ccScoot when I installed my cylinder I had a littel less than 1mm clearance before top dead on the 70cc head so it shoud be fine I think
@49ccScoot well I got alot to say about the set up it works great starts good and it saves fuell it has more than 50% more power and its good for 17.5 delorto carb whit 95jet and 48 small
I wonder as Michelin do the Power Pure SC in a 130/60-13. Would that be enough to get you enough room to move the mud guard away from the carb slightly?
Nice update.
That's what I have on the front. I just figured the standard Aerox setup should fit. It would probably be enough to settle the issues.
Nice job man!! I don't remember, do you use steel braided brake lines? They are often a little bit firmer than the rubber ones :)
They are braided. The front was an expensive one that I had to also get my own ends for. The rear was like $15.... but seems to work fine. The first rear hose was from E-Ton and probably $30 IIRC.
nice beard
Thanks! I grew it myself. 😁
Great content Brent keep it up!
Welcome to hiper engine cvts.
The best of the best. None of the quirks from the rest.
Same CVT on the other engine, just the Minarelli version. What I think the issue is, is that when I got the fancy aluminum version I was disappointed to see less travel in the rear pulley than the steel version I had. Naturally, I modified it.
this engine defo needs to be on a flat keihin or mikuni
I'm currently within about 6-7 tenths in the eighth mile of a guy with a 34mm PWK, different exhaust, longer and lower scoot so he can hammer the throttle on launch, and he's over 100 pounds lighter than me and his scooter is around 30 pounds lighter. I've raced him multiple times on a track so it's not just numbers on paper. I think this thing would easily go a few tenths faster just if I could use all of the throttle at takeoff, let alone the huge weight difference or him punching a smaller hole in the air. I don't think it's begging for a big carb as many seem to say it is, but I won't claim that it may not pick up some small amount of power up top. I think right now the main reason I am considering a different carb is because that same person doesn't seem to need to be on the edge with float height to keep it from starving or overflowing like I have been.
Could you fashion a spacer plate to sandwich between the float bowl and carb body to increase the fuel capacity in the bowl or would that require main jet mods too? I’m wanting to say I remember that dellorto having a wierd main jet setup I’m not familiar with so that might not even be feasible
@@robertmason8341 It wouldn't do a lot of good to just add fuel capacity. The main jet would have to go lower in the bowl. Easier solution is a small length of tube to level the carb out better (or entire custom intake). The tube would add length to the intake tract, but may not make much real world difference. I have some mandrel bent tubing and a coupler around. Just gotta get around to trying it... and when it's working fine I'm not that motivated to mess with things like that. Usually it works fine... it just likes to surprise me sometimes.
Wher did you Bay this Brake handles , Can you give me a link ti this
I got mine from AliExpress. Just searched Adelin levers. Lots of places carry them, but they were roughly half the price on Ali and seem to be legit. Only took a couple of weeks.
These bracket making techniques are gonna come in handy soon
Home made is best made, CNC is great but no better feeling than making your own and seeing benefits
top speed???
80-something.
NGK BR10EG is the Best plug for the Malossi Setup that you youse now
I just put a BR10EIX in there, literally a few minutes ago, to try for myself as well. The 10EG is what I used in the TPR 86cc and they held up pretty well in that. I think the IW34 is on the cold side for people that aren't all throttle all the time.
@@49ccscoot NGK EIX is also a good spark plug, but I don't use it, for the reason that it only gets better when the RPM in the engine gets up to around 13-15000rpm, it is only then that the eix spark plug gets better than the NGK EG spark plug, and I never keep my engine up to the RPM, I usually stay at 12-14500 RPM
but you will be happy with both spark plugs, no doubt about that...