It has cured something I was really sick of. Hearing that screaming teenager Greta Thunberg and her buddies in Extinction Rebellion telling us daily that we're all going to die because of climate change.
Scottish sovereign 77 You are so right, I have seen comments on some posts doing just that, asking for stricter lockdowns, and for the army to be brought in, they are just so willing to give away our civil liberties, and freedoms, the very things our forefathers fought in two world wars to protect
Matty J No he won't as you cannot prove the counterfactual: what would have happened had the government not ordered the shut down? Hitchens seems like the smart arse who, after a biblical disaster has been averted by the extraordinary efforts of others, opines 'There you see, I told it was not as bad as you'd claimed!'
You can not tell who's healthy or not just by looking at them. Look at the studies that this virus throws up, look at BMI, smokers and everything else. BMI plays a huge part in this, how do you know you're healthy? You might feel like you are but you can not be 100% sure that you are.
thats true..marines built a 250 bed hospital in days in nyc and no patients then trump got involved asking why and suddenly it got busy.remember hospitals in the us get paid by the government for every covid patient wether they die or not.
@@margaretratcliffe5465 sorry to hear that... Isn't it strange... If you have time, check out Dr Andrew Kaufman MD... He explains what a virus really is...
Their miracle cure a chlorine(bleach) based pill. Extremely effective at destroying viruses and bacteria including your micro gut biome ....it has recently become obvious that alterations of these gut microbial communities can cause *immune dysregulation, leading to autoimmune disorders.* You may destroy the virus but it equally inhibits ones immune system leaving the individual completely defenceless and susceptible to reinfection. The last thing you'd want to do is suppress someones immune system especially when there's a plandemic!
yeah, right I have diabetes and asthma but I have been out on walks around parks and shopping, gardening , and have felt all the better for it . Exercise and a healthy diet is crucial for diabetes and fresh air and even breathing for asthma too
Well said Peter wish we had more people with your commonsense in this country. I'm sick of our politicians listening to the paranoid MSM in this country.
Sadly when Peter says there is no correlated reductions in death rates when countries lock down is false. All the data from countries in lockdown vs those that did not respond fast enough shows clear correlation in number of deaths. The estimate is that roughly 15% who get it have respiratory problems. So a higher death rate implies a higher spread rate which happens when you do not isolate.
@@SnuggLeona the problem is the only people being tested are people who are highly symptomatic. And out of these 15% have respiratory issues. What about the potential millions of aysymptomatic c19 people who will never be taken into account when publishing these figures?
@Rimadim dim the guidance given by the Government covers a range of activities and precautions. Washing of hands, wiping down of object brought into home, isolation etc. It seems like you havent read the guidance, I recommend you do. Sadly the data is correlated to less restrictions means more deaths. Less restrictions means higher rate of spread, which means an increase in hospitalization, which means less available care, all of which translates to more deaths. It would be nice if it weren't so, sadly it is. The 'lockdown' is necessary. And the greed and interests of wealthy people should not come before peoples lives. The economy will survive because the economy is people.
@Rimadim dim the rich make a packet either way. The thing I read was specifically in relation to the nordic countries. Google it in good faith. I dont save everything I read. Look at the united states deaths, they did nothing for so long, and their death rate soars. Similar stories in all the other countries that did not take immediate action. Can you point to one country that hasn't implemented restrictions and isnt seeing a rapid increase in death rate compared to the countries that did?
@@SnuggLeona so basically you're saying lockdown doesn't really change anything if you're not responding fast enough? touché, couldn't have said it better msyelf
He is actually right healthy and fit people having to stay in doors on the premise that they might catch a virus take away the Emotional aspect of a relatively small number of people dying doesn't make sense every time you go out there is a chance you could die of one thing or another
It makes perfect sense and the best way of defeating a virus. Quarantine is only used for those who are healthy, to stop the spread of any virus. If everybody got this virus in the UK, let's say 20% of those people needed hospital treatment. That's 13 million people who would need some type of medical intervention, too much for the NHS to deal with. Out of those 13 million nearly 2 million that would die from this just because there would be no help, but also that number would jump significantly because doctors would have to let people die because there isn't e ough beds or equipment for people to use.
@@stevem2939 did I say they hadn't fit and healthy people die of heart attacks and all sorts of illnesses what's your point I might get knocked over and killed so should I not go out anymore of course not
@@rickylocock9068 but this virus is here to stay and they recon around 40% have had it already so out of 30 million 10,000 have died do so were do you get 2 million from
@@douglastaggart9360 You implied that fit and healthy people should not follow govt/scientific advice........which is clearly wrong as fit and healthy people have died.People die all the time, that doesn't mean we should ignore advice put in place to save our lives. If it's possible to avoid or eliminate the risk of dying especially from a disease that has no cure then why wouldn't you .....You would never cross the road without looking both ways.......or perhaps you would, while all the time muttering "what will be will be" !!! Use your common sense.......Follow the advice and stay safe !!!
@@frangipang1955 More people die from smoking each year. Any easily preventable problem, that doesn't cause massive misery to everyone in the future. Multitudes more die in car accidents. A problem easily fixed by shutting down roads. Or even just halving the speed limit. But we don't because every choice in life is a trade off.
The young, old, even the working FIT are in 'Lockdown'.... Meanwhile Heathrow is still receiving 100 flights a day, from the most INFESTED Countries of CV! No Testing on Arrival, and simply get onto Tubes, Trams, Buses and Trains! What could possibly go wrong???????
brilliant debate if you agree with Peter Hitchens and ignore all the evidence and data presented by scientists and medical advice given by leading doctors working in the field of virology. You only have to compare South Korean approach (testing, isolation and lockdown carried out at the right time) and delayed response by other countries
My theory: Mike now knows Peter is right. He’s using his platform to give Peter a voice, but not admitting he supports him to prevent damage to his own career. (The media doesn’t take kindly to those disagreeing with policies orchestrated by same corporations and bodies that fund them!)
Peter hitchens is absolutely correct. The lone voice of sense, but once the catastrophe of lockdown is appreciated by the laggards, he will be vindicated.
@19Lion8, mate all these deaths have happened in the space of a month and that's with lockdown measures in place. This virus has a higher mortality rate than the flu.
@6blade7, the measures were taken in order to save lives. And there are many other countries were you can't even leave your own house to get food or exercise. The UK has actually been fairly liberal on the whole. It will be for a couple of months, you'll survive it mate I'm sure.
Honest and educated doesn't mitigate stupidity. Don't forget, this particular Hitchens believes in ignorant ancient fiction, without any evidence. He is just a bitter, right wing reactionary Christian hypocrite
He’s putting forward a well presented, polite & thoughtful viewpoint... you however are just offering ignorant insults because you disagree with him, which makes your comment totally irrelevant!
@@MOGGS1942 Yes, I had great respect for his late, great brother with the right view of life and not all the religious crap that fewer and fewer people believe in today.
Not for the first time a so called radio or TV host has to take a cheap shot at the Prime Minster. Pure class Mr Hitchens for not falling for the cheap trap..
such an educated man, and speaking with a calmness that has been sadly and blatantly missing, from the rash decisions being made by public schoolboys in suits pretending to run the country for the good of everyone. his brother was in my humble opinion 1 of the greatest humans in modern times
The only course of action is to stay in for a long enough period says the jock. Incubation is 2 to 14 days...therefore 2 weeks, 3 weeks max, should be enough and anyone entering country is quarantined for 2 weeks. As we've been in lockdown and social distancing for several weeks now that should be it. But apparently not...we must go on for a year, 18 months...these people are mad or dangerous...or both.
Yes, two weeks incubaion, 10 days till you are in hospital with severe symptoms, then a further 2-21 days until death or release from hospital. We are currently in the middle of the 10 days till people have severe symptoms.
15:10 'We've found a way to talk to each other without interrupting' Mike, you mean you've stopped interrupting him, that's what's happened. It's good to see you actually listening to him this week.
The last time I felt something fishy going on was on the Friday 12th of February 1971. I went to bed on that Friday night with a virus and 240 pennies to the pound in my pocket, and bank account. A small bar of dairymilk chocolate cost sixpence. I was in financial clover! Well, when I woke up on Monday the 15th of February 1971 I got out of bed, feeling great. Went to the little shop on the corner and asked for a small bar of dairymilk chocolate, and to my surprise, it cost 9 pence. And!!! The change from my pound was 93 pence. "What!!!" I said. "Where's my other 140 pence???" The little old lady, had no more idea where it was than she knew where her 140 pences went. By the middle of the week...I knew exactly were it went. It was stolen by a Government that bankrupted the country, and got away with it. How, by flimflam. Decimalisation, and joining the European union. The pence in the pound (240) went down to (100) and the cost of every item went up. MY POINT? WE'RE ALL GOING TO BED WITH A VIRUS, AND WHEN IT'S ALL OVER...EVERY POUND IN YOUR POCKET, AND IN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT, WILL HARDLY BE WORTH THE PAPER IT'S WRITTEN ON. This government has f..... up! What they're putting us though?...Well, read some history and you'll see what governments are capable of doing...when the shit hits 'their' fan! FIN.
John Webster Wallace. Funny you should say that. Happening parallel to this plannedemic is the biggest economic crash in history. This is classic diversion tactics. Our money is going to be worth less than toilet paper after this. And it’s plastic now so won’t be as useful as toilet paper.
Mark Wheeler totally agree. Now we’re getting told people are getting depressed and going insane cause they need to live the way I’ve been living. What does that say about me ? 🧐
weejoe27 😂 when I saw on 📺 how concerned they are about ppl getting depressed and even going as far as to top themselves cus they can’t go out much for awhile I was thinking “I’m not doing to bad then I’ve only been out once a week or so for years and although I’m 😜 I’m still alive”! Lol.
Possibly because they are not as dumb as a stump. I wonder, have you ever been wrong, or talked shite? Then why should anyone take anything you say seriously? You see the problem? Think on it some more, you might manage to understand if you don't fly into an emotional sulk. Any remotely intelligent person would know one doesn't address or bother about the individual. The person is really irrelevant. One addresses the actual argument or point/s being made. Unless one happens to be an overly emotional mental midget. Though I also suspect you might be exaggerating, and slightly misrepresenting what Graham said. Then again, I wouldn't expect an actual quote or accuracy from some who can't be bothered making even the slightest effort regarding punctuation. Though I can't help but wonder WHY you are here listening yourself.
prediction, at the end of this year overall national death rate for Uk - under 65's no change, over 65's slightly raised (that is C virus will hardly affect rates)
Its sad to see how people and goverment act when they get scared. They act before they think and calculate. These stupid lookdowns will kill far more people than Covid 19. Stay home when sick. Wash your hands. Keep social distance. Dont vist the elderly right now. Its that simple.
@Wordy G No, YOU shut up.Firstly, Coronaviri are cluster viri so firstly, there is no clear distinction between this particular one and any other, secondly, testing would have at least shown whether a person actually had a C virus or just seasonal 'flu. Do some research, use your brain and EARN the right to tell someone to be quiet.
You can take a subset of a group and reach a fair number of spread within the country. Testing avarage Joe serves no one. Testing medical staff or those who care for the elderly that's a different story..
The presenter said that he'd prefer to be safe than sorry when it comes to quarantine via the economy - I wonder if he'd be quite so relaxed if he was about to lose his job due to this economic catastrophe?
IF MIKE had been stuck in his house for 3 weeks. IF Mike had no wages. IF Mike was looking at his future being unemployed. If Mike wasn't highly paid and comfortably well off and able to easily survive the certain consequences resulting from this ignorance based lockdown. Then MIKE might realise VERY quickly that Peter is 100% CORRECT...
The situation is in constant flux. Singapore (and several other countries) has had to admit that their response was the wrong one due to a surge in cases.
Firsthand information, daughter is in touch with a Teacher who lives in Sendai Japan. Nurses/ Medics socialising still in Restaurants, not taking social distancing very seriously at all.
Ha! It's actually more like 0.001481% of the global population - officially... So about 1 in 150,000. I think! Does anyone know how bad that is compared to other illnesses we have at the moment (I'm not a disease statistician)?
Yes, it is not the matter lives v. money. It is lives v. lives. And I can't understand how it became ok to decide that covid patients can't die, but all the others dying is actually ok. Who the fuck made this choice? And based on what?
I am sick of the media saying the lockdown is saving lives when there are tens of thousands of people not getting hospital treatment. Many of them will die!
A lot of those deaths in the total so far are probably from other health conditions. That they are focusing only on dealing with Covid-19 at the moment shows that people aren't getting the help they need for other conditions. They're labelling every single cause of death as Covid-19 even though for some people it could've been something else entirely that killed them. E.g. Heart trouble, Cancer etc.
i Have lived the last few years near an ambulance station. I've got used to the noise of sirens from early in the morning till fairly late. It's always been a constant. The last few weeks, hardly any. You might say well they might not be using their sirens.Well I live near a major junction so they have to us them because they jump lights. We need 2 numbers. One showing covid-19 admissions who died and one where they were in hospital already or went in with something else caught it and died. My guess it's 50-50 which halves the numbers. No virus hangs in the air for 3 hours. It might land and stay on a surface for 3 hours but nothing heavier than air (like water droplets) hangs around unless there is a force holding it there like a thermal uplift.
You will not get those stats. If you did, the spook scam would be seen for what it is, a spook scam...Obedience must be tested sometimes... are we being tested?
The timeline has all been to do with the Pandemic bond timeline. The banks issued their pandemic bonds 18 months ago and they would not have to pay out if there was a pandemic before July 2020.(see zerohedge). The timeline for fulfilment of the criteria for the bonds ended April 9th (see Eurozone).
Well no. I can only speak for myself but up here in tnorth we're on lockdown. Got me self a pitchfork though. Big meeting on Ilkley Moor soon, drones permitting. Only joshing. I wish there were. Regards.
If people can't work and pay tax, there is no NHS or any other public services for that matter, in our current system of society. So this shutdown needs to stop now before the quality of all our lives is reduced.
James Croad , Our quality of life in lockdown is already reduced. You can't play sport, go shopping with your mum, meet friends for a drink, take the kids down the beach etc,etc,etc,etc. If there are 50,000,000 active people in the UK and they are each effectively loosing 20% of their day that is 1,000,000 days of life wasted per day of lockdown.
There's about 60,000,000 people locked down in the UK. If the average degradation in quality of life is 20% each that's like 12,000,000 days of life wasted every day due to lockdown.
We were advised that diesel vehicles were the way forward and that Y2K would be the end of us.Just two examples of past 'advice' which make me continue to be sceptical.
"The death rate in japan may become higher than it is now". No bloddy durr the death rate may get higher. it's hardly going to get lower. People don't undie.
Eastern Europe anyone? I live in Bulgaria, no extensive shutdown, hardly any deaths. I'm going to work every day on public transport and operating from my office online. It's called being sensible.
Coronavirus is a scam Too bad Nigeria has been dragged into the scam by the Nigerian government that licks the testicles of the evil and imperialist British government.
Government controlled healthcare can take away your freedom. It's your right to go out. Tax payers fund the NHS. They ARE paid to do a job. More people die of tb every year. All jobs are essential. If you don't want to go out fine. But you have no right to demand others stay home.
If you are going to slurp your tea, play with your mobile and endlessly fidget at least turn your microphone off! Very distracting. 🙄 Anyway the fact that Italy, Spain & France are still getting huge numbers of new cases would seem to show that the quarantine measures simply do not work or have very little effect. Their restrictions are very strict and have been going on for weeks. Oh, and did I mention stop slurping your F@cking tea when on air!
20:14 *Spanish Flu (wrongly called) wiped out MANY Young and Healthy, not Elderly with underlying health problems, far more devastating than CoronaV with at least 50 MILLION Deaths Worldwide. My Grandfather survived it and passed on to me the 'immunity' I have from it today.* Is immunity in the genes? According to our findings, the answer is yes, at least in part.” The researchers say that understanding the genes affecting the immune system and the risk for autoimmune disease could be the first step toward developing personalized therapies dependent upon an individual's needs
Thank you Mike for this measured interview with Peter Hitchens... who I think is right. The vulnerable need to self-isolate and be supported. The rest of us need to crack on. Poverty = poor health. See also Dr Shiva's recent video on the subject.
Whether a person dies or not depends on three factors, that persons immune system, their respiratory system and the amount of virus the person was exposed to (viral load). Older males, smokers, asthmatics, cancer patients, health officials (who are exposed the high viral loads), are the ones dying. This begs a couple of questions. if we expose a healthy female with good respiratory system to a very small level of virus, can we reliably predict she will only experience very mild symptoms? Can we artificially improve that immune response, for example by injecting with another persons antibodies?
good to see the presenter having to eat his own words right from the start then making claims that he has then to admit are wrong and towards the end just gives up by changing the subject, Artfully crafted crucial points made by Mr Hitchens in a very impressive interview Well done Sir
Please do repeat weekly. Peter's is the prevailing voice of sanity on this all encompassing matter. Gently and professionally coerced, without interruption (as a good broadcaster does) by your good self, of course!
Because we're overcrowded. I said that all along. Too much immigration. Half a million people coming to the UK every year, and thats just the legal ones.
Great discussion, very much appreciated, look forward to the next one. Mike Graham is right to insist it's about ICU capacity, and PH is right to insist on a more clear metric on that point. I hope we can get there.
I agree with Peter totally on this one. The extreme approach in the UK is causing more harm than good, it's just all we hear is propoganda and how everyone's having fun at home in their lovely houses with their cute kids etc. The only good thing about this is we're getting a break from the bloody McDonalds adverts!
Far more people, of all ages, are going to die of obesity/indolence related illnesses this year. New generations of kids are going to have a shorter lifespan than their parents. Yet, we aren't locking down food companies or trying to encourage physical activity. Moreover, how many other diseases kill off elderly folks with underlying medical conditions daily? I'd imagine there are a few.
Here in the Cz Rep the death rate has been very low. People are not touchy feely anyway, but now have added social distancing, masks are mandatory, large gatherings banned, schools, colleges, closed, take your shoes off on entry to a home and often workplace, shops open, no food or toilet paper shortages. Manufacturing open, people asked to work from home if they can. Restrictions are now starting to be lifted. Austria and Denmark are similar. UK seems to have gone full on authoritarian when I thought it would be here that did that.
Why is Mike so disrespectful? He often lambasts his callers who are concerned with British people becoming a minority too I've noticed. And he calls himself an "alrernative" he's just like the rest of them.
Stopped by police last thursday, me and two friends, for walking our dogs around an empty area in the derbyshire dales. Took our details and gave us a lecture, with one actually saying "you can't just do what you want you know". In a supposedly free and civilised society, I have been told by a police officer, with no sense of irony or shame, that I can't do what I want. I always assumed that in a free society it's my right to attempt to commit a crime if I want to. I just have to be ready to face the consequences, and deal with my conscience about any victims of said crime. When I asked if they thought it was right that they are stopping people, fining people, and arresting people for walking their dogs in an empty countryside, they said "yes, it is absolutely right that we should do this". With no sense of shame at all. Not even "well, I know it's bad, but it's only temporary". Now I like the police. The police officers. And these guys (well, except for one who seemed a miserable dick) were mostly really decent with us. My cousin and his wife are both police officers (in nottingham no less, saint annes area of nottingham at that), and my previous neighbour is an ex-para who teaches unarmed combat and self-defense to the local police. These people do an almost impossible job, and they (for the most part) do it because they want to do something good for their community and country. Nobody joins the police to be a cunt. They don't allow it for one thing, they weed out people like that pretty quickly in the exams and interviews these days. But the fact that these officers weren't too bothered about what was going on, as if it's fine that they're forcing people to stay home, pretty much at gunpoint, has me worried And with no word from Boris the plonker or anyone else on even IF these restrictions will be lifted, let alone WHEN they might be lifted, this is not a good sign
He is right..the only thing is time to open now the nation that opens first recovers first ...fear is holding use to ransom when it should make us act now right now we are victims
Peter Hitchen uses measured and reasonable arguments. He represents the thoughts of many people and he should be listened to. Unfortunately there are too few people in public life who are brave enough, or sensible enough, to speak out like him. Even worse, there are virtually none in Parliament (of any political persuasion). This is a very bad situation, where there is NO debate allowed, no political opposition, not a squeak of protest from the civil liberties bodies......nothing.....It is "comply or be ostracised or demonised". I believe Mr Hitchens will be proven to be correct, but we will only find this out next year when the public enquiry is held?
Billy the van man - I doubt if that's your real name! You are a really simple minded and stupid person. Are you a real person, as I can't someone like you could actually believe, that a God would actually get rid of the human race . Are you seriously saying that God would curd people? If you do you got a bad opinion of God!
Trouble is, Peter, no-one knows who is and is not infected as some can be symptomless - so there is no alternative to keeping everyone apart. As for Graham's point below, the poor doctors have to make a choice between the danger of wiping out someone's immune system with radio or chemotherapy against the danger of the cancer treatment being delayed. In my local hospital brain and spinal cancers are still being treated but a doctor I spoke to about this became emotional because she had come into medicine to save lives, not to make terrible choices like the dilemma facing her and her colleagues at the moment. On a cynical note, you can apparently acquire immunity from coronavirus by buying a second home in Cornwall and then going to live in it.
There is no test for an imaginary Common Cold-19 virus. Most people will test positive for 1, 2, or 3, corona viruses, since we all produce them, but share them with nobody. You may test positive for bird, swine and cow viruses, since that's what they injected you with. The *DEAD* tissue, exosomes, endosomes, viruses, call them what you like, contain the DNA of animals are toxic and dangerous for humans. !!! (p.s. The *Mock* virus was named nCoViD19 at the meeting of GlaxoSmithKline, the World Economic Forum, the World Health Organisation and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (World Government) on the *18th. October 2019. @ EVENT 201 John Hopkins Centre* . The WHO changed the name in February 2020 to COVID-19 in case the flock was panicked . !!!
It seems coronavirus has cured all other illnesses such as cancer, road accident, pneumonia, flu and heart diseases e.t.c
Road accidents definitely. Nobody driving
The joke is NHS cant cure anything , so the virus ? So what ? Why the fuss ?
Except its man made
It has cured something I was really sick of. Hearing that screaming teenager Greta Thunberg and her buddies in Extinction Rebellion telling us daily that we're all going to die because of climate change.
@Blue Angel - Class!
@@DavidWilliams-qs6lz yay !!
People in fear are more easily controlled. People in fear will beg to have their rights taken away.
Scottish sovereign 77
You are so right, I have seen comments on some posts doing just that, asking for stricter lockdowns, and for the army to be brought in, they are just so willing to give away our civil liberties, and freedoms, the very things our forefathers fought in two world wars to protect
@@lorrainewylie6975thanks. It is fact and the sheeple can't see it. Regards
Very good point.
@@scottishsovereign7735
Spot on, and same to you
Scottish Sovreign 77. Yes, the planndemic is an orchestrated tragedy. The fearless will be stoned to death on live tv at this rate.
Hitchens, in time, will be proved correct on this issue.
So will all of us with a reasonable functioning brain who look at both sides of the debate/argument. It really is tragically depressing now 😔
@Blue Angel indeed!
Matty J No he won't as you cannot prove the counterfactual: what would have happened had the government not ordered the shut down? Hitchens seems like the smart arse who, after a biblical disaster has been averted by the extraordinary efforts of others, opines 'There you see, I told it was not as bad as you'd claimed!'
You can not tell who's healthy or not just by looking at them. Look at the studies that this virus throws up, look at BMI, smokers and everything else. BMI plays a huge part in this, how do you know you're healthy? You might feel like you are but you can not be 100% sure that you are.
Desmond Roberts - You don’t possess the information to the contrary to refute his argument either.
Hospital workers in USA have been saying for 2 weeks that there are empty beds everywhere
thats true..marines built a 250 bed hospital in days in nyc and no patients then trump got involved asking why and suddenly it got busy.remember hospitals in the us get paid by the government for every covid patient wether they die or not.
i,m a nurse who got laid off. never been unemployed like this. nurse for over 40 yrs.
@@margaretratcliffe5465 sorry to hear that... Isn't it strange... If you have time, check out Dr Andrew Kaufman MD... He explains what a virus really is...
Anyone vulnerable (elderly with health issues, people with suppressed immune systems etc)should self isolate, everyone else get on with their lives.
Their miracle cure a chlorine(bleach) based pill. Extremely effective at destroying viruses and bacteria including your micro gut biome ....it has recently become obvious that alterations of these gut microbial communities can cause *immune dysregulation, leading to autoimmune disorders.* You may destroy the virus but it equally inhibits ones immune system leaving the individual completely defenceless and susceptible to reinfection. The last thing you'd want to do is suppress someones immune system especially when there's a plandemic!
Chris Morfill yes
Completely agree with you.....
yeah, right I have diabetes and asthma but I have been out on walks around parks and shopping, gardening , and have felt all the better for it . Exercise and a healthy diet is crucial for diabetes and fresh air and even breathing for asthma too
My mates 24 has got the virus and is now in intensive care. No medical issues in the past. This does not just effect old people. 👍
Well said Peter wish we had more people with your commonsense in this country. I'm sick of our politicians listening to the paranoid MSM in this country.
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MSM leftwing
@@janyb1907 correct should have said cowardly paranoid left wing MSM
Think they are listening to health professionals not just turning on sky news to decide what to do, generally how a government works
Credit where credit is due. This interviewer is giving Peter an avenue to express his opinion. Very important
Sadly when Peter says there is no correlated reductions in death rates when countries lock down is false.
All the data from countries in lockdown vs those that did not respond fast enough shows clear correlation in number of deaths.
The estimate is that roughly 15% who get it have respiratory problems. So a higher death rate implies a higher spread rate which happens when you do not isolate.
@@SnuggLeona the problem is the only people being tested are people who are highly symptomatic. And out of these 15% have respiratory issues. What about the potential millions of aysymptomatic c19 people who will never be taken into account when publishing these figures?
@Rimadim dim the guidance given by the Government covers a range of activities and precautions.
Washing of hands, wiping down of object brought into home, isolation etc.
It seems like you havent read the guidance, I recommend you do.
Sadly the data is correlated to less restrictions means more deaths.
Less restrictions means higher rate of spread, which means an increase in hospitalization, which means less available care, all of which translates to more deaths.
It would be nice if it weren't so, sadly it is.
The 'lockdown' is necessary. And the greed and interests of wealthy people should not come before peoples lives. The economy will survive because the economy is people.
@Rimadim dim the rich make a packet either way. The thing I read was specifically in relation to the nordic countries. Google it in good faith. I dont save everything I read.
Look at the united states deaths, they did nothing for so long, and their death rate soars. Similar stories in all the other countries that did not take immediate action.
Can you point to one country that hasn't implemented restrictions and isnt seeing a rapid increase in death rate compared to the countries that did?
@@SnuggLeona so basically you're saying lockdown doesn't really change anything if you're not responding fast enough?
touché, couldn't have said it better msyelf
Have the found WMD's in Iraq yet? Mmmmm
You'll be telling me next that Salisbury was a hoax, oh wait a minute it was!
He is actually right healthy and fit people having to stay in doors on the premise that they might catch a virus take away the Emotional aspect of a relatively small number of people dying doesn't make sense every time you go out there is a chance you could die of one thing or another
It makes perfect sense and the best way of defeating a virus. Quarantine is only used for those who are healthy, to stop the spread of any virus.
If everybody got this virus in the UK, let's say 20% of those people needed hospital treatment. That's 13 million people who would need some type of medical intervention, too much for the NHS to deal with. Out of those 13 million nearly 2 million that would die from this just because there would be no help, but also that number would jump significantly because doctors would have to let people die because there isn't e ough beds or equipment for people to use.
Healthy and Fit people have caught this virus and died !!!
@@stevem2939 did I say they hadn't fit and healthy people die of heart attacks and all sorts of illnesses what's your point I might get knocked over and killed so should I not go out anymore of course not
@@rickylocock9068 but this virus is here to stay and they recon around 40% have had it already so out of 30 million 10,000 have died do so were do you get 2 million from
@@douglastaggart9360 You implied that fit and healthy people should not follow govt/scientific advice........which is clearly wrong as fit and healthy people have died.People die all the time, that doesn't mean we should ignore advice put in place to save our lives. If it's possible to avoid or eliminate the risk of dying especially from a disease that has no cure then why wouldn't you .....You would never cross the road without looking both ways.......or perhaps you would, while all the time muttering "what will be will be" !!! Use your common sense.......Follow the advice and stay safe !!!
Peter is not alone in his opinions.
Sadly not. He doesn't get the main point. To protect each other.
His point is debatable. The government were damned if they do and damned if they don't - FACT! We'll see how Sweden and Spain fair going forward...
Yeah god help us.
@@frangipang1955 More people die from smoking each year. Any easily preventable problem, that doesn't cause massive misery to everyone in the future. Multitudes more die in car accidents. A problem easily fixed by shutting down roads. Or even just halving the speed limit. But we don't because every choice in life is a trade off.
@@frangipang1955 "He doesn't get the main point. To protect each other". If you think that then you have completely missed his point.
The young, old, even the working FIT are in 'Lockdown'.... Meanwhile Heathrow is still receiving 100 flights a day, from the most INFESTED Countries of CV! No Testing on Arrival, and simply get onto Tubes, Trams, Buses and Trains! What could possibly go wrong???????
James Downey mostly freight incoming. some repatriations of uk citizens. dont exagerate.
Once again , thank you Peter , for injecting some common sense in this crazy move by our government !
Peter Hitchens quality guy .
@trident3b shit is most likely what you talk!
At last a reasonable discussion regarding covid-19. Nothing hysterical just arguments based on reason and facts
brilliant debate if you agree with Peter Hitchens and ignore all the evidence and data presented by scientists and medical advice given by leading doctors working in the field of virology. You only have to compare South Korean approach (testing, isolation and lockdown carried out at the right time) and delayed response by other countries
@@PistolPeteUK111 doesn't mean you have to agree to someones point just the quality of the debate
Nothing but speculation from Peter Hitchens.
@@8424bryan If people die because of his perspective, that's on him.
Based on science and facts?! Peter Hitchens opinion goes against nearly every medical profession in the world. He's still comparing this to influenza
Mike seems more willing to listen this week - maybe he realizes Peter has been pretty right about this
Matt H .....he listens because idiots never argue with someone more intelligent than themselves as they would be out of their depth.
I imagine his bosses had a word after the embarrassing effort he made last time. To be honest I thought his performance was worthy of been sacked.
My theory: Mike now knows Peter is right. He’s using his platform to give Peter a voice, but not admitting he supports him to prevent damage to his own career. (The media doesn’t take kindly to those disagreeing with policies orchestrated by same corporations and bodies that fund them!)
Peter is doing nothing but speculate. And he is making false claims that lower death rates havent been correlated to enacting isolation.
Mike thinks London is still full of White British people.
Peter hitchens is absolutely correct. The lone voice of sense, but once the catastrophe of lockdown is appreciated by the laggards, he will be vindicated.
or not?
Yeah i know right. Who cares about the thousands of people that have died or are going to die from the virus.
@19Lion8, mate all these deaths have happened in the space of a month and that's with lockdown measures in place. This virus has a higher mortality rate than the flu.
@6blade7, the measures were taken in order to save lives. And there are many other countries were you can't even leave your own house to get food or exercise. The UK has actually been fairly liberal on the whole.
It will be for a couple of months, you'll survive it mate I'm sure.
@6blade7, no you're right. Why should we care about the people that die from the virus. Being able to go down the pub is much more important.
READ THE COMMENTS MIKE GRAHAM..LOOK AT PUBLIC OPINION..WE'VE HAD TIME TO RESEARCH....
Glad to see them not interrupting each other every 5 seconds like last time
Mike's now realising Hitchens actually has some very good points we all need to think about.
Hopefully the presenter read the comments from last time and realised he was being a complete tosser
Talking over an interrupting is what you get on LBC as a deliberate policy.
proanimator I think it was Mike doing the interrupting.
At last, a sensible reasoned discussion instead of the usual fear mongering
Hahhaa Peter Hitchens NOT being a fear mongerer. I think youll find he is well known for it and was even doing it here.
@historypoliticsbb because he's not in Bill gates pocket as opposed to WHO
anything peter hitchins says is ok by me, honest educated person as was his late brother,
Honest and educated doesn't mitigate stupidity. Don't forget, this particular Hitchens believes in ignorant ancient fiction, without any evidence. He is just a bitter, right wing reactionary Christian hypocrite
The wrong Hitchens left the scene.
He’s putting forward a well presented, polite & thoughtful viewpoint... you however are just offering ignorant insults because you disagree with him, which makes your comment totally irrelevant!
@@MOGGS1942
Yes, I had great respect for his late, great brother with the right view of life and not all the religious crap that fewer and fewer people believe in today.
He does talk a load of dribble when it comes to religion, but he's probably right on most things here
Not for the first time a so called radio or TV host has to take a cheap shot at the Prime Minster. Pure class Mr Hitchens for not falling for the cheap trap..
Rose your Prime minister is a murderer and frankly deserves to be in jail but i suppose native's being native's will accept anything ! Peace
rosre aviemore . Yes, scraping the barrel of bad taste.
What cheap shot?
@@gullygullible9769 So, which country are you from?
@@ukchristian28 I'm from England ja and where does you liive and is your master well because my master been sick lately ! Peace
such an educated man, and speaking with a calmness that has been sadly and blatantly missing, from the rash decisions being made by public schoolboys in suits pretending to run the country for the good of everyone. his brother was in my humble opinion 1 of the greatest humans in modern times
haha There's a slight irony there as Peter is himself public school educated I believe. Otherwise I agree with your comment entirely. :)
Well looks like mike read the comments on his last Hitchens vid. As he wasnt bad at all this time ;)
I was thinking exactly the same - this was a decent, courteous discussion 👍
A good high quality discussion, cheers chaps.
"Dr. said Britain is a crowded country....."
Taiwan has had 6 deaths with no lockdown and is crowded as hell.
The only course of action is to stay in for a long enough period says the jock. Incubation is 2 to 14 days...therefore 2 weeks, 3 weeks max, should be enough and anyone entering country is quarantined for 2 weeks. As we've been in lockdown and social distancing for several weeks now that should be it. But apparently not...we must go on for a year, 18 months...these people are mad or dangerous...or both.
Logic and science don't matter in a time of invisible terror and hysteria. The gov would never concede to there being a normal death rate.
I have heard 18 months to 2 years, absolutely ridiculous.
Yes, two weeks incubaion, 10 days till you are in hospital with severe symptoms, then a further 2-21 days until death or release from hospital. We are currently in the middle of the 10 days till people have severe symptoms.
I’d say both.
This is a free trial on totalitarianism, if successful it will be permanent
Peter deserves a slot with his own show on talk radio
No he deserved a slot beside his much-missed and departed and far smarter brother.
Brad West so smart he thought there were WMD in Iraq
Paul Charles if Galloway managed with the help from James wale then I’m sure talk radio can be encouraged
No he deserves to catch the virus
Mel B maybe he already has it - as have multitudes - with no symptoms (Oxford University study)
15:10
'We've found a way to talk to each other without interrupting'
Mike, you mean you've stopped interrupting him, that's what's happened. It's good to see you actually listening to him this week.
The last time I felt something fishy going on was on the Friday 12th of February 1971. I went to bed on that Friday night with a virus and 240 pennies to the pound in my pocket, and bank account. A small bar of dairymilk chocolate cost sixpence. I was in financial clover! Well, when I woke up on Monday the 15th of February 1971 I got out of bed, feeling great. Went to the little shop on the corner and asked for a small bar of dairymilk chocolate, and to my surprise, it cost 9 pence. And!!! The change from my pound was 93 pence. "What!!!" I said. "Where's my other 140 pence???" The little old lady, had no more idea where it was than she knew where her 140 pences went. By the middle of the week...I knew exactly were it went. It was stolen by a Government that bankrupted the country, and got away with it. How, by flimflam. Decimalisation, and joining the European union. The pence in the pound (240) went down to (100) and the cost of every item went up. MY POINT? WE'RE ALL GOING TO BED WITH A VIRUS, AND WHEN IT'S ALL OVER...EVERY POUND IN YOUR POCKET, AND IN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT, WILL HARDLY BE WORTH THE PAPER IT'S WRITTEN ON. This government has f..... up! What they're putting us though?...Well, read some history and you'll see what governments are capable of doing...when the shit hits 'their' fan! FIN.
That was the day before I was born
John Webster Wallace. Funny you should say that. Happening parallel to this plannedemic is the biggest economic crash in history. This is classic diversion tactics. Our money is going to be worth less than toilet paper after this. And it’s plastic now so won’t be as useful as toilet paper.
I don’t want to sound pedantic, but I’m sure a small bar of Dairy Milk was in fact 7d on 12th February 1971 🧐🧐😁
However, overall, I think your point could well be right
Spot on
Agrophobes like myself are like “nothing changes same old same old” lol.
Mark Wheeler totally agree. Now we’re getting told people are getting depressed and going insane cause they need to live the way I’ve been living. What does that say about me ? 🧐
Professional self-isolator.
Degree.
Masters.
PhD.
Hehe yeah stand up and be counted, that we don't need the latest this or that!
weejoe27 😂 when I saw on 📺 how concerned they are about ppl getting depressed and even going as far as to top themselves cus they can’t go out much for awhile I was thinking “I’m not doing to bad then I’ve only been out once a week or so for years and although I’m 😜 I’m still alive”! Lol.
@@markwheeler4245 lol
mike graham has denied the existence of the british people so why would anybody listen to his opinion on anything else
Possibly because they are not as dumb as a stump.
I wonder, have you ever been wrong, or talked shite? Then why should anyone take anything you say seriously? You see the problem? Think on it some more, you might manage to understand if you don't fly into an emotional sulk.
Any remotely intelligent person would know one doesn't address or bother about the individual. The person is really irrelevant. One addresses the actual argument or point/s being made.
Unless one happens to be an overly emotional mental midget.
Though I also suspect you might be exaggerating, and slightly misrepresenting what Graham said.
Then again, I wouldn't expect an actual quote or accuracy from some who can't be bothered making even the slightest effort regarding punctuation.
Though I can't help but wonder WHY you are here listening yourself.
He lost me and half his audience over night!
Thankyou Peter Hitchens. It's about time this country opened it's eyes
Stick a mask on wash your hands regularly get on with your life
Dennis Powell common sense
Get on with your life, don't bother with masks and gloves, unless you did that last year as well.
Yes! Get on with life! Unless you’ve lost your job and your business has gone bust. Then tough shit I guess! Stiff upper lip and all that
prediction, at the end of this year overall national death rate for Uk - under 65's no change, over 65's slightly raised (that is C virus will hardly affect rates)
However the death rates of medical professionals dying because they have caught this virus from patients will be through the roof won't it?
Except that deaths are up 100% in New york city.
thatwilldonicely its a 4.8% increase due to cv19.
Its sad to see how people and goverment act when they get scared. They act before they think and calculate. These stupid lookdowns will kill far more people than Covid 19. Stay home when sick. Wash your hands. Keep social distance. Dont vist the elderly right now. Its that simple.
How come the virus is getting in to our elderly care homes when no-one can visit and the staff seem to be healthy ?? Hmmm !
Staff who don't realise they are sick spread it.
The point is nobody knows who the hell is healthy because we don't have the required testing in place.
@Wordy G No, YOU shut up.Firstly, Coronaviri are cluster viri so firstly, there is no clear distinction between this particular one and any other, secondly, testing would have at least shown whether a person actually had a C virus or just seasonal 'flu. Do some research, use your brain and EARN the right to tell someone to be quiet.
You can take a subset of a group and reach a fair number of spread within the country. Testing avarage Joe serves no one. Testing medical staff or those who care for the elderly that's a different story..
There is still no proper test for COVID19
The presenter said that he'd prefer to be safe than sorry when it comes to quarantine via the economy - I wonder if he'd be quite so relaxed if he was about to lose his job due to this economic catastrophe?
IF MIKE had been stuck in his house for 3 weeks. IF Mike had no wages. IF Mike was looking at his future being unemployed. If Mike wasn't highly paid and comfortably well off and able to easily survive the certain consequences resulting from this ignorance based lockdown. Then MIKE might realise VERY quickly that Peter is 100% CORRECT...
Save your breathe Peter,the host isn't listening.You're challenging his dogma.
Not talking about the host
I think the host has loosened his dogma since last week. He did admit at the end that he did't know whether the shut down was a good or bad idea.
Disagree,he was far less confrontational than last time and seems to have swayed to Peters opinion a deal more.
The situation is in constant flux. Singapore (and several other countries) has had to admit that their response was the wrong one due to a surge in cases.
Chris Morfill. Except that unlike all msm, this is a reasoned calm sensible debate
Firsthand information, daughter is in touch with a Teacher who lives in Sendai Japan. Nurses/ Medics socialising still in Restaurants, not taking social distancing very seriously at all.
And now they're in a big second wave outbreak, Tokyo lock down... Nitwits.
Much better interview than last time. Mike most likely read the last comment thread, and good on him.
I send a thought to the 0.00012% of the worldwide victims and families who have lost there lives to this pandemic 🙏🙏🙏
Ha! It's actually more like 0.001481% of the global population - officially... So about 1 in 150,000. I think! Does anyone know how bad that is compared to other illnesses we have at the moment (I'm not a disease statistician)?
3 Mile Island your awake 🙏❤️
Everyone dies eventually! Is that a reason to fuck up everyone else who has to go on living.
trident3b To be honest the experts don’t know this.
Lorraine None of your business he’s not being disrespectful , some things don’t add up 🤔
Yes because healthy people aren’t killing other people by touching their own faces and shaking their hands
Just out of interest, has anybody seen a single person sneeze? Me smells a rat.
Yes, it is not the matter lives v. money. It is lives v. lives. And I can't understand how it became ok to decide that covid patients can't die, but all the others dying is actually ok. Who the fuck made this choice? And based on what?
I am sick of the media saying the lockdown is saving lives when there are tens of thousands of people not getting hospital treatment. Many of them will die!
They already are in the uk. Week 14... up to 60% more than average for previous 5 years. 9% were covid-19
@@davidshield260767 And any more in the coming weeks and months.
A lot of those deaths in the total so far are probably from other health conditions. That they are focusing only on dealing with Covid-19 at the moment shows that people aren't getting the help they need for other conditions.
They're labelling every single cause of death as Covid-19 even though for some people it could've been something else entirely that killed them. E.g. Heart trouble, Cancer etc.
I feel like Hitchens is one of the tiny number of people who is actually trying to save the situation and cares about people.
i Have lived the last few years near an ambulance station. I've got used to the noise of sirens from early in the morning till fairly late. It's always been a constant. The last few weeks, hardly any. You might say well they might not be using their sirens.Well I live near a major junction so they have to us them because they jump lights. We need 2 numbers. One showing covid-19 admissions who died and one where they were in hospital already or went in with something else caught it and died. My guess it's 50-50 which halves the numbers.
No virus hangs in the air for 3 hours. It might land and stay on a surface for 3 hours but nothing heavier than air (like water droplets) hangs around unless there is a force holding it there like a thermal uplift.
You will not get those stats. If you did, the spook scam would be seen for what it is, a spook scam...Obedience must be tested sometimes... are we being tested?
The timeline has all been to do with the Pandemic bond timeline. The banks issued their pandemic bonds 18 months ago and they would not have to pay out if there was a pandemic before July 2020.(see zerohedge). The timeline for fulfilment of the criteria for the bonds ended April 9th (see Eurozone).
Are people not creating groups to at least protest the lockdown in the UK? Get the other side of the argument properly heard.
That’s a convenience of this lockdown - no crowds of protesters allowed!
Well no. I can only speak for myself but up here in tnorth we're on lockdown. Got me self a pitchfork though. Big meeting on Ilkley Moor soon, drones permitting. Only joshing. I wish there were. Regards.
If people can't work and pay tax, there is no NHS or any other public services for that matter, in our current system of society.
So this shutdown needs to stop now before the quality of all our lives is reduced.
James Croad , Our quality of life in lockdown is already reduced. You can't play sport, go shopping with your mum, meet friends for a drink, take the kids down the beach etc,etc,etc,etc.
If there are 50,000,000 active people in the UK and they are each effectively loosing 20% of their day that is 1,000,000 days of life wasted per day of lockdown.
There's about 60,000,000 people locked down in the UK. If the average degradation in quality of life is 20% each that's like 12,000,000 days of life wasted every day due to lockdown.
Should the UK's lockdown be lifted?
Yes it should, people gotta make money not beds
Absolutely, the consequences will be far worse than the virus if we don’t.
How about supermarkets handing out masks for those standing in queue's then wandering around inside? "every little helps"
yes! as of right now!
Yes.
I am awaiting the news from Sweden.
We were advised that diesel vehicles were the way forward and that Y2K would be the end of us.Just two examples of past 'advice' which make me continue to be sceptical.
Why can't Mike Graham talk about inconsistencies told to us and address lies we've been told
"The death rate in japan may become higher than it is now". No bloddy durr the death rate may get higher. it's hardly going to get lower. People don't undie.
its time to take down the whole government and the whole ruling class
Eastern Europe anyone? I live in Bulgaria, no extensive shutdown, hardly any deaths. I'm going to work every day on public transport and operating from my office online. It's called being sensible.
All countries have different ways of gathering, evaluating and displaying data. None are comparable.
Coronavirus is a scam
Too bad Nigeria has been dragged into the scam by the Nigerian government that licks the testicles of the evil and imperialist British government.
Gym Fern. ‘Lies, damn lies and statistics’ comes to mind.
Government controlled healthcare can take away your freedom. It's your right to go out. Tax payers fund the NHS. They ARE paid to do a job.
More people die of tb every year. All jobs are essential. If you don't want to go out fine. But you have no right to demand others stay home.
to put things in to perspective google... average deaths in spain 2018 , just as an example. 30 to 40k people died every month of 2018 there.
If you are going to slurp your tea, play with your mobile and endlessly fidget at least turn your microphone off! Very distracting. 🙄
Anyway the fact that Italy, Spain & France are still getting huge numbers of new cases would seem to show that the quarantine measures simply do not work or have very little effect. Their restrictions are very strict and have been going on for weeks.
Oh, and did I mention stop slurping your F@cking tea when on air!
a voice of reason
20:14 *Spanish Flu (wrongly called) wiped out MANY Young and Healthy, not Elderly with underlying health problems, far more devastating than CoronaV with at least 50 MILLION Deaths Worldwide. My Grandfather survived it and passed on to me the 'immunity' I have from it today.*
Is immunity in the genes? According to our findings, the answer is yes, at least in part.” The researchers say that understanding the genes affecting the immune system and the risk for autoimmune disease could be the first step toward developing personalized therapies dependent upon an individual's needs
Well done mike and peter, a great discussion, each listening to the other... remarkable how that works so well..
Thank you Mike for this measured interview with Peter Hitchens... who I think is right. The vulnerable need to self-isolate and be supported. The rest of us need to crack on. Poverty = poor health. See also Dr Shiva's recent video on the subject.
Boris, please listen to this and learn!!.
Herd immunity for the fit and strong. Quarantine and isolation for the elderly and vulnerable.
Isolating will not make corona disappear.
This life is but a dream. Fearing death is fearing waking up from this dream.
I blame the media hysteria and people who live in fear.
Whether a person dies or not depends on three factors, that persons immune system, their respiratory system and the amount of virus the person was exposed to (viral load). Older males, smokers, asthmatics, cancer patients, health officials (who are exposed the high viral loads), are the ones dying. This begs a couple of questions. if we expose a healthy female with good respiratory system to a very small level of virus, can we reliably predict she will only experience very mild symptoms? Can we artificially improve that immune response, for example by injecting with another persons antibodies?
good to see the presenter having to eat his own words right from the start then making claims that he has then to admit are wrong and towards the end just gives up by changing the subject, Artfully crafted crucial points made by Mr Hitchens in a very impressive interview Well done Sir
Please do repeat weekly. Peter's is the prevailing voice of sanity on this all encompassing matter. Gently and professionally coerced, without interruption (as a good broadcaster does) by your good self, of course!
The people I talk to are starting to catch on.any person demanding restrictions on their movements are the enemy
Because we're overcrowded. I said that all along. Too much immigration. Half a million people coming to the UK every year, and thats just the legal ones.
Great discussion, very much appreciated, look forward to the next one. Mike Graham is right to insist it's about ICU capacity, and PH is right to insist on a more clear metric on that point. I hope we can get there.
I agree with Peter totally on this one. The extreme approach in the UK is causing more harm than good, it's just all we hear is propoganda and how everyone's having fun at home in their lovely houses with their cute kids etc. The only good thing about this is we're getting a break from the bloody McDonalds adverts!
It’s not fair that the healthy should be forced into poverty
Li Shenron: Its not fair that ANYBODY should be forced into poverty.
Far more people, of all ages, are going to die of obesity/indolence related illnesses this year. New generations of kids are going to have a shorter lifespan than their parents. Yet, we aren't locking down food companies or trying to encourage physical activity. Moreover, how many other diseases kill off elderly folks with underlying medical conditions daily? I'd imagine there are a few.
The media are fine, they are so " key "
nice to have less traffic on the roads
How long, not long, cos what you reap is what you sew
Know your enemy!
Yes, rdz. Nowadays, everything is "key" or "absolutely key." What a load of crap!
Nobody is watching the Daily briefings anymore...
Use cash, use a pay&go phone in a false name.
Here in the Cz Rep the death rate has been very low. People are not touchy feely anyway, but now have added social distancing, masks are mandatory, large gatherings banned, schools, colleges, closed, take your shoes off on entry to a home and often workplace, shops open, no food or toilet paper shortages. Manufacturing open, people asked to work from home if they can. Restrictions are now starting to be lifted. Austria and Denmark are similar. UK seems to have gone full on authoritarian when I thought it would be here that did that.
Why is Mike so disrespectful? He often lambasts his callers who are concerned with British people becoming a minority too I've noticed. And he calls himself an "alrernative" he's just like the rest of them.
@john smith lamppost nationalism? Based.
s - Agree. Hopefully the upcoming consensus might make more people aware of this impending cultural genocide.
He dare not lest he be sacked and castigated in his profession.
He lost a massive audience with his anti British views!
Stopped by police last thursday, me and two friends, for walking our dogs around an empty area in the derbyshire dales.
Took our details and gave us a lecture, with one actually saying "you can't just do what you want you know". In a supposedly free and civilised society, I have been told by a police officer, with no sense of irony or shame, that I can't do what I want.
I always assumed that in a free society it's my right to attempt to commit a crime if I want to. I just have to be ready to face the consequences, and deal with my conscience about any victims of said crime.
When I asked if they thought it was right that they are stopping people, fining people, and arresting people for walking their dogs in an empty countryside, they said "yes, it is absolutely right that we should do this". With no sense of shame at all. Not even "well, I know it's bad, but it's only temporary".
Now I like the police. The police officers. And these guys (well, except for one who seemed a miserable dick) were mostly really decent with us. My cousin and his wife are both police officers (in nottingham no less, saint annes area of nottingham at that), and my previous neighbour is an ex-para who teaches unarmed combat and self-defense to the local police.
These people do an almost impossible job, and they (for the most part) do it because they want to do something good for their community and country. Nobody joins the police to be a cunt. They don't allow it for one thing, they weed out people like that pretty quickly in the exams and interviews these days.
But the fact that these officers weren't too bothered about what was going on, as if it's fine that they're forcing people to stay home, pretty much at gunpoint, has me worried
And with no word from Boris the plonker or anyone else on even IF these restrictions will be lifted, let alone WHEN they might be lifted, this is not a good sign
Would have loved to hear Chris's thoughts on this.
As he would say, its 'Christopher'.
Hitchens is talking crap.
He can ask my son how things are in Colchester hospital, on 12 hr shifts as a junior doctor
The difference is culture and the higher ratio of one present culture. The more diverse seems to have been hit the hardest.....
He is right..the only thing is time to open now the nation that opens first recovers first ...fear is holding use to ransom when it should make us act now right now we are victims
Peter Hitchen uses measured and reasonable arguments. He represents the thoughts of many people and he should be listened to. Unfortunately there are too few people in public life who are brave enough, or sensible enough, to speak out like him. Even worse, there are virtually none in Parliament (of any political persuasion). This is a very bad situation, where there is NO debate allowed, no political opposition, not a squeak of protest from the civil liberties bodies......nothing.....It is "comply or be ostracised or demonised". I believe Mr Hitchens will be proven to be correct, but we will only find this out next year when the public enquiry is held?
The economic fall out will be far worse than this current health pandemic.
Some sense in a time like this.
Not being mean but most of these people would of died this last few month anyway.
Good stuff. Much more interesting than owt on lbc at the mo
Peter should go for the world record to see how long he can talk without a break - love him but I feel he needs to get out more.
We have all got to die at some point this is just god doing one of his culls bless me father for I have sinned
Are you serious. Do you really think that God would do such a evil acted!
Peter Brown I most certainly do This is just the start. It going to be big .
Billy the van man - I doubt if that's your real name!
You are a really simple minded and stupid person.
Are you a real person, as I can't someone like you could actually believe, that a God would actually get rid of the human race .
Are you seriously saying that God would curd people?
If you do you got a bad opinion of God!
A sneeze last in the air for 3 hours lol propaganda bullshit lol
Who in there right mind would want to be mingling in a packed pub in London today?
@Hell N Degenerates I hope you are joking ! If not how does it spread then I'd love to know
@Hell N Degenerates oh I never new that thanks for the information I'm of out thanks again
Trouble is, Peter, no-one knows who is and is not infected as some can be symptomless - so there is no alternative to keeping everyone apart. As for Graham's point below, the poor doctors have to make a choice between the danger of wiping out someone's immune system with radio or chemotherapy against the danger of the cancer treatment being delayed. In my local hospital brain and spinal cancers are still being treated but a doctor I spoke to about this became emotional because she had come into medicine to save lives, not to make terrible choices like the dilemma facing her and her colleagues at the moment. On a cynical note, you can apparently acquire immunity from coronavirus by buying a second home in Cornwall and then going to live in it.
There is no test for an imaginary Common Cold-19 virus. Most people will test positive for 1, 2, or 3, corona viruses, since we all produce them, but share them with nobody. You may test positive for bird, swine and cow viruses, since that's what they injected you with.
The *DEAD* tissue, exosomes, endosomes, viruses, call them what you like, contain the DNA of animals are toxic and dangerous for humans. !!!
(p.s. The *Mock* virus was named nCoViD19 at the meeting of GlaxoSmithKline, the World Economic Forum, the World Health Organisation and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (World Government) on the *18th. October 2019. @ EVENT 201 John Hopkins Centre* .
The WHO changed the name in February 2020 to COVID-19 in case the flock was panicked . !!!