The AKM Clones & Copies Guide
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Earlier this year, we published a video looking at many of the milled AK Type III variants. This time, we compare and contrast close clones and copies of the stamped receiver AKM.
Some of the guns in this video you may have seen previously, but there are a couple new builds that I believe have never shown up before now.
Featured military rifles & the semi-autos representing them include:
Russian AKM (Legion-USA 1973 VEPR-AKM)
Hungarian AK63D (Cassner FEG SA 85M Preban)
Polish KBK AKM (1968 circle11 kit on Morrissey receiver)
Romanian PM-63 (Century Cugir SAR-1 with orig furniture)
East German MPI-KM (1971 DDR kit on Morrissey receiver)
Egyptian MISR (Intrac Maadi ARM with orig side folding stock)
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I don't understand how Misha doesn't have more subs you have so much information to offer and you have a very relaxed style I enjoy. Keep them up Misha!
Oh its fine. I know i don't really have the flash and all the modern guns that really draw in the big views. The fact is we're just not commercial like that. Thanks much for watching, cheers.
Ozark Bear Arms I've got a question for you I'm planning on getting a second Saiga .410 I don't wanna convert the one I own but with this second .410 I would like to SBS it to about 6-8inches convert it to the standard AK pattern with a folding stock, and eventually have it supressed. I want it as a home defense gun and im curious of your opinion or criticisms about it.
.410 doesn't perform very well out of a 6" or even too great out of an 8" barrel. It would be, very, short range. More importantly though, I am not sure how much reliability you would be sacrificing in the Saiga for such a short barrel. You are talking about a very radical conversion: shortened gas system, probably needing to drill a new gas port and weld up the old one, modding the gas block, etc. Honestly? i do not think it is a very good idea and that it would end up very expensive. Also, legally speaking, using any NFA registered firearm in a defensive shooting situation would only complicate your case when it went to court. Atternies like to latch onto "modifications' to any firearm used in a shooting to try and discredit the owner.
Ozark Bear Arms interesting points I didn't think about
Brandon Simons it’s because many gun owners are themselves libtards and have their heads up their asses with politically correct MSR. They are too busy cheekwelding while absolutely cowitnessing last round bolt hold open operations.
Misha another great video bro.. without a doubt one of most knowledgeable individuals on UA-cam!!! Blessings!!!
Thanks much for watching, and I know what I know when it comes to AKs but if you get into sporting/hunting/target guns, I am a complete idiot lol. Military guns are my field, and even there i mostly stick with GI smallarms like rif;es, pistols, and LMGs. I am not too up on sniper rifles or some of the heavy machineguns. Only so many hours in the day to study and read you know? cheers.
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To me, looking at your table now at 35 I feel how I use to feel when I was 15-16 watching Cribs. Very jealous. Great channel!
Thanks much for watching. Just remember, i can't drive so don't have a car or other vehicles, so guns are kind of my compensation. Also that not all you see on this channel belong to me or if they do, they are actually store guns so I am only getting to play with them for a brief time...which is still a lot better than never at all for sure, cheers.
Misha , I just want to say thank you for your videos I have learn a lot about the Kalashnikov platform because of you. I am a over the road Truck driver so I often listen to your videos thru out my long days.
Love your vids man been watching them all day. I love the ak rifle platform and your vids are fun and informative
I love the East German furniture (probably my favorite AK furniture).
Misha is like a Mr Rogers or Bob Ross only much cooler cause he talks about guns:)
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@Ozark Bear Arms - It's creepy when YOU say it. - Jay
Awesome vid. Selector stop on my Polish AKM and AKMS is different than the SA85m and Maadi. I will assume the Russian is the same as the maadi. I don't have a russian. Looks like your SAR1 has the polish style selector stop. I need a SAR1 and an east german parts kit! love your collection!
You are such an easy going person. Please keep up the amazing work!
Thank you for watching, cheers.
Again, another fantastic video! Love your AK stuff!
I have a somewhat stupid question. Why are some serial numbers on AKs, that is, trunnions etc whitened? Some are not. Is this a factory thing, or something that happens here in the US?
As for as I know, it is a USA thing or at most a commercial/civie market one. Thanks much for watching, cheers.
Yay!! New video thanks Misha!!
Thanks much for watching
Misha is a walking AK encyclopedia .
Awesome video Misha. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks much for watching
Great video as always. I have a 1988 Polish PMKMS and it clearly has a cast front sight, gas block and lower handguard retainer. I don't know if the Polish also used a cast bolt carrier, it looks machined to me but it is hard to tell. I like the Polish AKs the best because they were the closest copies of all Russian counterparts and they always exhibit superior machining quality over any Russian AK.
I have a 1985 KBK AKMS kit built onto a NDS receiver by Allied for Atlantic about a decade ago. It too has many cast parts. Off the top of my head: gas block, HG retainer, FSB, and recoil guide come to mind. Also it has the later style dustcover and mag catch. I've had earlier Polish kits from 1980-1981 that still retained most if not all forged parts, so i think the transition took place in the mid 1980s. We have a big Polish AK vid recorded, but its big enough that it will require a lot of editing and work, so we keep pushing it back. Now there are newer Polish guns like the Lynx that we should include, so debating if its worth re-recording. Jay and I both really like circle11/FB-Radom products, so between us we have quite the set of guns.
This is a great source for all AK information. One question I have is which country designed the side folding stock ?
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Thanks much for watching
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Misha, always great videos. Looking forward to the 74 video. Seems that East German AK’s aren’t really a thing. I have not seen much mention of them on the forums. Maybe I am missing something
Just a handful of MPI-M74 kits with barrels came in years ago, and a bit more recently a few hundred came in w/o barrels. Thing is they were $800+ and then you had to get a receiver, barrel, and get someone to build it. So the whole prospect was $1,500+ just for a kit build. So they aren't common here, no.
I also have a 2001 SAR-1, also my first AK. Mine came with a unthreaded barrel, and now sports a thread adapter. Did you have yours threaded? I'd like to have a functioning retaining plunger.
Yes, i threaded it. All SAR-1s came without muzzle threads, but the good thing is they never had them. They weren't shaved off as on say a MAK90. So adding standard 14x1 LH threads is very easy.
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I tried to buy into the 5.45 thing with an SLR-104FR and Vepr sporter. Still find myself loving the 7.62x39 better
I can understand that. Personally, i like both equally but 5.45x39 is very close to 5.56 NATO, while 7.62x39 really is its own thing. Not really another cartridge out there exactly like it. Sure .30-30 and .300 Blackout share some characteristics with X39, but really its still unique. It was a true intermediate round, while NATO tried forcing 7.62x51 into the role.
In cuba we used to have romanian made akm in our armory. So you would be given a rifle. It was in the millitary. So what most people would get was older soviet Akm that were build in cuba. They were really heavy. If you got a romanian Akm everyone was basically jealous for having the romanian akm assigned to you. So this brings back memories. When id go out in the range and do shooting drills and stuff like that.
Is the Romanian Kalashnikov good?
@@ياسعبد-ط3ذ Atleast the ones that were sent to cuba yes. I would not know about the market of them in the US or Canada.
Hey Misha, do you know whether a Type-56-I assault rifle will fit typical AKMS furniture (front handguard and rear sight)? Couldn't find any specifics about it online, only that the Type-56 are practically an AK-47 with a stamped receiver.
Another Great Video Broski.. Love the AK vids.. keep them coming .. 🗣 Woot Woot
Thanks for watching, cheers.
As always a great video Misha!!!!
I like the Russian AK-15 and the AK-74M, many of their newer things, and I’m a yugo man. I like the beefy trunnions and the thicker barrels on the yugos.
It is ashame that we can't get most of the newer Russian stuff here in the USA, and today what we do have has become very expensive due to sanctions. Yugo stuff is neat, i just didn't include them here because they really didn't do an AKM clone. The M70B1 is more an orig AK Type III, just made with a 1.5mm stamped receiver rather than a milled one. Plus of course some unique twists like the handguards that are all Zastava. I like Yugo stuff for being unique and them kind of doing their own thing.
Nice informative and interesting video
Thanks much for watching. This coming week, we should have some interesting stuff for you coming up too.
See you replaced the Russian AKM then! Glad to see you got another one...... Still enjoying the rifle by the way and it shoots great! Actually just recently completed my set up for it. Now has a flash hider, Russian clip on night sights, a early AKM push button recoil guide rod assembly for the GP, and a working 1pn34 night vision in excellent shape.
Misha, about half of the AKs in service in Romania are still 7.62. They'll probably be replaced by 5.56 when the time comes. And technically, PM90 is only a factory designation, as the sidefolder 7.62 was never adopted. (also koo-JEER, not cougar)
I never said the PM63 was completely phased out, nor that the military officially adopted the PM90.
Oh, I know you didn't say that. It just seemed to be that you assumed that they were mostly phased out of regular use. Technically it's true that most were surplused, but with the reduction of the number of soldiers, they still play a prominent role.
Nope, i never assume something is 100% out of service. Just look at the USA and how long the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M1911A1, or even the M16A1 remained in some type of use long after officially being replaced. And the US military is well funded. Romania's Army has much less of a budget to work with. Since the PA-86 wasn't adopted until the mid/late '80s and didn't really start to be fielded in any numbers until around 1990, then the Warsaw Pact ended, so i'd imagine purchases of new 5.45x39 rifles really slowed down after a few years.
I know the Army was still buying the PM-64 in 7.62x39 as late as 1989 also, so that tells a good deal. Truth is, the PM-63 works fine so as the saying goes "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
great video. I don't see any akms from china, Yugo or bulgaria?? Has India made their own ak47 variant like the others?
(Interesting fact Russia is #1 arms seller to Indian but now USA is #2 then Israel at #3 and France is #4 and the UK is #5 now. You'd think the UK would selling more guns to their former British colony??)
Oh a interesting question seeing how both Romania and Bulgaria want to adopt the Euro by 2025 do think that increases the prices for their weapons they exporting to USA??
Yugoslavia, China, and Bulgaria never made a clone/copy of the AKM. As for the UK, their military arms production capacity is basically gone ever since both Sterling and Enfield closed.
oh I didn't know that. Also I didn't know UK closed down Sterling and Enfield? Who makes their weapons now??
Sugar scoop squad checkin in! ( i know its older video just got to it XD)
yea, its a thing now
Did the PM.90 ever come with the optics rail? I'm thinking about turning my SAR-1 into a PM.90 clone, but I'm not sure if it means that I need to have the rail removed.
PM90 was more a Cugir designation than an actual military one. So I am sure they made them both ways?
A lot of the exports went to Croatia in a pretty big contract in the 90s. They don't have side rails. Most had dongs, but quite a lot have just a palm swell.
Greetings from Egypt
Here police use the full automatic version not the Misr export ones in addition they have the Romanian with the forward pistol grip more like your very first AK bought in 2001
I just have a question do Chinese AKM type 56 have cast parts or continue using machine parts
I think the later mod 63 ak-47s have a hot bluing finish
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DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ROMANIAN WUM-1?????? I know Mishaco could tell me but I swear there’s very limited information on them
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Hey mishap when did poland switch to cast trunnions
those can't be stock triggers, they all seem to be clean, short and crisp.
lol
When do we get the carcano part 2?
No worries, the following 3 parts are recorded and will all get published. But sadly, such historical videos don't get a ton of views (even if they are a lot of fun to make), so we have to spread them out so as not to loose subs and interest.
how can you tell a Hungarian checkered pistol grip from a Chinese checkered pistol grip???
I plan on gettin either a Chinese or Hungarian AK
Neat, which one(s) are you looking at?
Ozark Bear Arms you referring to your collection?
No, i am asking what you are thinking of buying? As in which Hungarian or Chinese AK version/variant? Was only curious.
Ozark Bear Arms oh ok, I’m thinkin Hungarian for my first and then save some for the Chinese since their in the $1000 range
The Romanian akm would look good without that grip
Disagree, it sets it apart and it's functional
I like Soviet Russia ones akm made by izmasvek
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