Jim Morrison and Dennis Wilson pick up a Hitchhiking Charles Manson

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  • Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
  • Robby Krieger: Oh, right. He picked Charles Manson up hitchhiking one day. Yeah. Him and the Beach Boys drummer Dennis. The two of them were driving down Sunset Boulevard. They picked up Charlie with his guitar and he was going up to see Terry Melcher to play his demo for Terry Melcher, who he later was trying to kill because he didn’t like it."
    Did it really happen? Share your thoughts in the comments!
    #JimMorrison
    #CharlesManson

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  • @TheDutchGuy
    @TheDutchGuy  Рік тому +1

    Did it really happen? Share your thoughts in the comments!

  • @johndoyle2429
    @johndoyle2429 Рік тому +11

    Two of the best bands to come out of California, The beachboys and of course The Doors.

  • @TheDirtyDoors
    @TheDirtyDoors Рік тому +9

    The co-author of Robby's autobiography responded to this today in a FB group. Robby heard the story second hand from an unnamed source. He did not hear it directly from Morrison or Dennis Wilson. He acknowledged that he doesn't really know if the story is true.

    • @TheDutchGuy
      @TheDutchGuy  Рік тому

      Yes i showed him the vid. I think it never will be confirmed..

    • @TheDutchGuy
      @TheDutchGuy  Рік тому +5

      Same with this research, It is possible it happened, but we will never know for sure..
      Canned Heat's drummer, Fito de la Parra, revealed
      --in his book, Living the Blues--that Morrison was
      friends with Alan Wilson, one of Canned Heat's
      founding members, rhythm guitarist, harmonica
      player, and vocalist.(1) On September 3, 1970,
      Wilson was found dead in a sleeping bag near the
      home of fellow band member, Bob "the Bear" Hite,
      in Topanga Canyon, L.A.(2) Wilson was living with
      Hite at the time of his death. De la Parra further
      claims Hite (also deceased) boasted of "knowing
      Manson family members."(3) It is quite possible
      --given the location of Hite's home in Topanga
      Canyon--that Hite did in fact meet members of the
      Manson family at the Spiral Staircase, the Satanic
      house in Topanga Canyon where Manson and his family
      members once spent a lot of time. And since Morrison
      was friends with Hite's house mate, Alan Wilson, it
      is quite possible that Morrison and Wilson may have
      accompanied Hite to the Spiral Staircase at some
      point where Morrison may have met Manson. In
      addition, Morrison had bought his longtime
      girlfriend, Pamela Courson, a cottage in Topanga.(4)
      So he was geographically close to the Spiral
      Staircase through Courson as well as Bob Hite
      and Alan Wilson.
      - Rock journalist/author, Barney Hoskyns, revealed
      in his book, Arthur Lee: Alone Again Or (2001),
      that Manson family member Bobby Beausoleil played
      rhythm guitar for the rock group Love briefly in
      1965, when they were named The Grass Roots.(5)
      (Different band than the Grass Roots that had
      several hits in the late Sixties.) Beausoleil was
      later convicted of murdering Gary Hinman. Morrison
      was friends with Love's founder, Arthur Lee. In
      fact, Lee encouraged Elektra Records' founder and
      president, Jac Holzman, to sign the Doors. (6)
      Beausoleil claims he remained on good terms with
      Lee after leaving Love. (Beausoleil was replaced
      by Bryan Maclean because Maclean had been a roadie
      for the Byrds and had lots of connections in the
      LA music scene through the renowned rock group.)
      Beausoleil claims Lee renamed the group Love, in
      honor of Beausoleil, because his nickname was
      Cupid.(7) Surprisingly, Vincent Bugliosi
      corroborated that Beausoleil's nickname was in
      fact Cupid in Bugliosi's famous book, Helter
      Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders.(8)
      Given that Beausoleil and Lee apparently remained
      friends after parting ways musically, and given
      that Morrison was also friends with Lee, and given
      that Beausoleil was a member of Charlie Manson's
      renowned "family", it is quite possible that Manson
      met Morrison through the Lee/Beausoleil connection.
      - Writer Barney Hoskyns claims Jerry Hopkins and
      Doug Lyon co-managed Love in 1966.(9) This is quite
      odd, given that Hopkins mentioned Love in his
      Morrison biography, No One Here Gets Out Alive
      (co-authored with Danny Sugerman), but failed to
      reveal that he managed the lesser-known LA band.
      - One of Love's albums shows them standing/sitting
      on a spiral staircase. During that period, Love
      reportedly lived together in a Gothic mansion once
      owned by actor Bela Lugosi. On May 22, 1999, Sean
      Elder wrote an article about Love for Salon magazine
      in San Francisco. In the article, Elder described
      how the mansion's "destroyed fireplace and spiral
      staircase appear in most of the Love photo shoots"
      from the Sixties.(10) Could Lugosi's Gothic
      mansion be the same place in Topanga Canyon that
      Charlie Manson called the "Spiral Staircase," the
      house of drugs, sex and depraved satanic practices?
      (NOTE: Someone mentioned recently--in a discussion
      group on one of Love's websites--that the Lugosi
      house is not the same residence as the Satanic
      Spiral Staircase, frequented by Manson et al.
      Manson claims he met Bobby Beausoleil at the Spiral
      Staircase, so there appears to be a common thread
      surrounding this bizarre residence. Further
      research is needed to determine if it is in fact
      the same place.)
      Based on the evidence presented herein, it is highly
      possible--if not probable--that Manson and Morrison
      met at some point, and perhaps saw each other
      frequently at the Spiral Staircase in Topanga Canyon.
      Salvador Astucia
      SOURCES:
      (1) Fito de la Parra, Living the Blues: Canned Heat's Story of Music, Drugs,
      Death, Sex and Survival; p 76
      (2) ibid, pp. 165-168
      (3) ibid, p 217
      (4) Jerry Hopkins and Danny Sugerman, No One Here Gets Out Alive, p 271
      (5) Barney Hoskyns, Arthur Lee: Alone Again Or, pp. 22-24
      (6) Jerry Hopkins & Danny Sugerman, No One Here Gets Out Alive, p 91
      (7) Barney Hoskyns, Arthur Lee: Alone Again Or, pp. 22-24
      (8) Vincent Bugliosi & Curt Gentry, Helter Skelter: The True Story of the
      Manson Murders. Reference caption by photo of Robert "Bobby" Beausoleil, in
      64-page photo-collection midway through book. The caption reads: "Robert
      'Bobby' Beausoleil," aka Cupid, age 22...murderer." (Pages are not numbered in
      the photo section.)
      (9) Barney Hoskyns, Arthur Lee: Alone Again Or, p 26
      (10) Sean Elder, "Love's labors lost", May 22, 1999, Salon;
      www.salon.com/people/feature/1999/05/22/arthurlee/index1.html
      ===
      Ordering information for Salvador Astucia's books can be found at
      www.jfkmontreal.com/raveningwolf/
      (About 150 pages from "Lennon book" (558 pages total) can be viewed
      at www.jfkmontreal.com )

    • @samsmith7585
      @samsmith7585 Рік тому +1

      @@TheDutchGuy The spiral stairs seen in the Love album cover is in the interior of the house. The spiral staircase that Manson visited was on the exterior of the house, and was located at the foot of Topanga Canyon, very near the Malibu Feed Bin and close to the Pacific Coast highway.

    • @TheDutchGuy
      @TheDutchGuy  Рік тому +2

      3924 Topanga Lane is the address of the "Spiral Staircase" The staircase stood on the right front side of the house and gave access to the second level as the house was a duplex. The first floor was trashed and filled with sand.. It wasn’t a fancy place; ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxQzHUxQBV6AIVTpdFGjZlgDfMe3xKXySI

    • @echohotel7975
      @echohotel7975 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@TheDutchGuy I can vouch I was hitching a ride as well but they weren't going to Venice I ended up hitching a ride with Elliott Mintz and John Lennon but yeah I saw Charlie hop in Charlie was a smart ass and called shot gun and tried to make Jim get in back and Jim said "no way man who the hell you think you are you little weasel be thankful your getting a ride" Jim was like laughing and saying "can you believe the nerve of this guy" Jim says "I'm not one of your little whores or yes men you might can get away talking to Dennis like that but I'm liable to give you a knuckle sandwich pal", and Charles giggled and shut up he was only teasing with Morrison and Jim knew he was but yeah that went down . Jim was really upset when he figured out Jay Sebring was killed they were sort friends he's the only one to allow mess with his hair

  • @Barison
    @Barison Рік тому +4

    Glad to see new content from you, mate!
    In regards to Robby's comment, I'd take it with a grain of salt. I do not mean he is lying or twisting the truth (as Ray often did), but we are talking about something that happened half a century ago, and Robby himself states in his memoirs how he would come up with several explanations to certain situations (his black eye, the origin of his son “Love me two times”, etc.) Or perhaps it is as he says.

    • @mtnsawfish
      @mtnsawfish 11 місяців тому +1

      Very interesting observation about Krieger and Manzarek.
      I'm forming an opinion of the three who survived Morrison, simply because they are a source of direct information about Morrison. I believe that all three are decent enough people, but are informed by differing personal traits.
      Manzarek - he seems to be a slick and energetic self-promoter who was keenly are that his future was closely bound to the public perception of Morrison, and so he enhances every aspect that he feels will build the myth. At the same time, he does pass useful information about details that are relatively mundane and not related to myth-building. So since I'm not interested in the myth, there is a lot that I do not give much weight to.
      Krieger - he comes off as a sort of beta male, retiring in the face of the attention directed at Morrison, who is basically a decent observer, but he, too, is aware of the value of the Morrison Myth, and is not above adding to it. But his insights to Morrison's normal behavior are of value.
      Densmore - in a sense he seems very competitive by nature--bear in mind this was not a trait that was in vogue in his (my) generation until the mid-80s. So I think he had sorta alpha male tussles and resentment against Morrison over Morrison being the center of attention, and also that without Morrison there was no Doors. I think it bothered him somewhat. However, I think that most of the time he is the most honest of the three, and seeks to enhance the myth the least.

  • @Remi-B-Goode
    @Remi-B-Goode Рік тому +3

    Interesting, thanks!

  • @adamx6000
    @adamx6000 9 місяців тому +3

    Every knows about The Beach Boys connection with Manson. Are they saying that Jim met Manson???

  • @zovalentine7305
    @zovalentine7305 Рік тому +8

    Rest in powerful peace
    James Douglas Morrison 🙏
    8 December 1943 ~
    3 July 1971⚘

    • @itnow
      @itnow Рік тому +4

      from what I've studied, the afterlife has a lot more than just resting...

  • @ROCK.ON.
    @ROCK.ON. Рік тому

    I love the doors and the magical wonderful music and singing they created

  • @jlsemmes
    @jlsemmes Рік тому +6

    I knew Jimbo and Manson must have crossed paths at some point wandering around Hollywood.. but giving the guy a ride hits close to home. What a story!

    • @TheDutchGuy
      @TheDutchGuy  Рік тому +8

      I researched it a while, this it the first time I hear Doors members talk about it.. Jim also could have met Charles at the Spiral staircase house in Topanga (Topanga canyon lane 3924) Bob Hite lived close to the Spiral staircase and Alan Wilson stayed at Bob Hite's place. Bob Hite had connections with the Mansons, and Jim had a connection with Alan Wilson.. The three of them probably visited the Spiral Staircase once or more.

    • @jlsemmes
      @jlsemmes Рік тому +5

      @@TheDutchGuy that's awesome.. I love reading/hearing about new Jimbo information that's not in the same books we have all consumed over the years

    • @kelvinkloud
      @kelvinkloud Рік тому +3

      @@TheDutchGuy thats the first I'd heard re jim in the car w/ manson... why wasnt this mentioned long before??? that was far too big a story it seems to be overlooked .... everyones dead who could confirm it, so it sounds sketchy, like a ray hype story, esp since it wasnt mentioned before.... is this more milking of the good ship doors cow or was this ever mentioned before? .... if its true, its a spooky story indeed. I will say, morrison, as much as he was out w/ the public on the streets in LA, was actually pretty deft in not allowing fans to get too close or stalk him etc. ... riders as a mood piece & poem, did fit perfectly for that particular time period as hippie idealism was slipping into disillusionment & paranoia via events like manson & kent state.

    • @TheDutchGuy
      @TheDutchGuy  Рік тому +3

      I don’t know if it really happened, but Robby and John both look like they remember the story.. Manson recorded his records in de Beach boys studio in 1968, so there could have been a connection with Dennis already which made them stop the car.. For the setting; The interview is from Dec 2001

    • @jlsemmes
      @jlsemmes Рік тому +3

      @@TheDutchGuy Have you ever heard the rumor about the night watchman at the Cielo Drive house? He supposedly did not hear the murders of Sharon Tate and others because he was "in the guard house, listening to The Doors album" at full volume. Might be and urban myth.

  • @alixchavasse6437
    @alixchavasse6437 Рік тому +3

    also you can see some Manson followers on verious video ca 1969 in LA, and one of thems wear the same Moroccan djellaba, Sharon Tate had purchased in Pam’s shop Themis. Given these were men djellaba; imported from Morocco, and Themis was probably one of the very few places you could get these, who knows if one of the Manson girls went into themis?

  • @Votedjt2024
    @Votedjt2024 Рік тому +1

    What up bro I really love your show

  • @DJ-bj8ku
    @DJ-bj8ku Рік тому +2

    Manson’s tunes are on YT.

    • @TheDutchGuy
      @TheDutchGuy  Рік тому

      And Spotify; open.spotify.com/artist/1ALiu7S9gPJPSw122Ds1t2?si=j-BhfcHHSvSpmxeIB_l4tA

    • @DJ-bj8ku
      @DJ-bj8ku Рік тому +2

      @@TheDutchGuy Somehow that doesn’t seem right.😂

    • @TheDutchGuy
      @TheDutchGuy  Рік тому

      And his records are on Discogs www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=61298&ev=mb

  • @johnnyman9513
    @johnnyman9513 Рік тому

    they would of hung out at the Topanga Corral aka the roadhouse from roadhouse blues also playing live jams with many others like neil young canned heat etc.. check out michaels backporch video on the manson/morrison link

    • @TheDutchGuy
      @TheDutchGuy  Рік тому +1

      I think they would hung out at the spiral staircase house close to Bob Hite's house, The spiral staircase was a hangout for the Mansons and was also a hangout for L.A.’s rich and famous icons of counter-culture. Bob bragged about knowing the mansons, at the same time Jim Morrisons friend Alan Wilson was living with Bob, the two visited the spiral staircase house with Bob and met the Mansons there. The spiral staircase was located close to Topanga Beach on 3924 Topanga Canyon Lane, it was a flood damaged house with only the second floor occupied, the first floor was washed out and filled with sand. To enter you needed to take a spiral staircase on the right side of the house.

    • @johnnyman9513
      @johnnyman9513 Рік тому

      @@TheDutchGuy nice, ive heard of that place too but had no idea bob hite knew manson that much! To me it seems that all these guys were ok with manson as he spoke alot of truth and philosophy but after the murders they all had to play along with the media's story of manson and not mention him or their careers would be over and copped out!

  • @walterhomburg
    @walterhomburg Рік тому +1

    Nee, Dennis en Jim hebben sowieso elkaar niet persoonlijk gekend.. Wel waren The Beach Boys onder de indruk van The Doors/Jim Morrison, en andersom was Jim Morrison wel een Beach Boys liefhebber. Maar niemand heeft elkaar, van elkaar ontmoeten. Wel heeft Dennis contact gehad met Manson, die verhalen zijn sowieso een feit

    • @TheDutchGuy
      @TheDutchGuy  Рік тому +1

      They did, when Dennis attacked Jim and Eric Burdon at the Whiskey they met each other... But is't not about the Dennis /Jim connection Its about Jim meeting Charles, which he probably did at the Spiral staircase in Topanga together with Alan Wilson and Bob Hite. Bob Hite was the connection, he lived close to the Spiral staircase and knew the Mansons, Jim's friend Alan stayed at Bob's house, the three of them visited the spiral to score and party. The Spiral Staircase was known for having the rich and famous as guests.

    • @johndoyle2429
      @johndoyle2429 Рік тому +3

      @@TheDutchGuy, Basically your saying both Dennis Wilson and Jim morrision got into a fight . Right or Wrong?.

    • @TheDutchGuy
      @TheDutchGuy  Рік тому +1

      @@johndoyle2429 No i'm not sayin that, Jon Stebbins friend and biographer of Dennis Wilson is saying/confirming it... Dennis Wilson, Eric Burdon and Jim Morrison in a fight at the Whiskey a Go-Go is what he confirms.

    • @jend80
      @jend80 Рік тому

      That had nothing to do with Manson though, the version I read claimed Dennis fought Jim because Jimbo was being being a dick heckling some artist at a gig they were both in the audience for.

  • @lambjack1
    @lambjack1 Рік тому +1

    What does John mean,
    Robbie give Jim a bone?