in my humble opinion, don't go beyond 24" for 1080p, as for refresh rate go for 120hz at least just so you wouldn't have to upgrade again in the future, and for framerate 60 for 3A games and for online competitive games go for 120+, i hope i gave you some clarity
That was graciously stated. Indeed, there are a multitude of factors involved with upgrading: Cash flow, location availability, preferred games, resolutions and so on. Many people are still running CPUs such as the 3770K & 4690K and are still singing their praises. The same applies to video cards like the 970 and 1080. I suppose that it all depends on the person?
I rocked a single-core Athlon 64 3200+ for 8 years on AM2. It had 3 GB ram, 160 GB hard drive, and a Geforce 7600 GT (from 2011 on). It had Windows XP. I had that pc from end of 2006 until end of 2014. We wanted to get a new one in 2012, but lack of funds kept us from doing so. I had to get every bit out of that computer even 8 months beyond the end of XP support that year. ;-)
im still rocking the 2200g ever since i got it 2 years ago, im planning to finally upgrade next month and i was choosing between getting a 3700x which is easily available at a very small price range, or getting the 5700x which i couldnt find many offers of and they were a fair amount more expensive than the 3700x, this video pretty much just convinced me to buy the 5700x regardless, by either just waiting another month or waiting for a better offer i have to say, even the 2200g is still capable of many AAA games today, its a big bottleneck for trying to run those games at 60 fps, but ultimately like the vid says, its not the end of the world, all games are still very enjoyable, that is until u try something like Star Citizen which is borderline unplayable at of the fps dips to 6 fps and falling through the world with the cpu at 100%, 1 in a 100 type of game but still
That really doesn't to the 970 though, it's just fast enough to still be "fine" for 1080p but the problem is the crippled VRAM. You really can't get away with less than 6gb these days. 3.5gb is not enough. GTX 980 is the lowest I would go for budget. I don't see anybody singing the 970's praises honestly no one ever does for anything by nVidia that's below a 80ti or at minimum 80 because their VRAM sucks, the support sucks, usually all the lower cards go tits up. Apparently their older GPUs also fail way more frequently than Radeons. Sometimes this counts with even high GPU, the 780ti is completely worthless these days for a reason, it's not about the driver support, it's the 3gb of VRAM making it completely useless. Not supporting Vulkan just makes it worse.
Tech saying how amazing the AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT makes me such a proud owner of one. Tech recommended me this GPU when I wanted to upgrade from GTX 1660 SUPER and it's been the best. ❤
@@yussef961 the hell are you talking about? it's been the best *FOR ME*. I'm writing from my experience upgrading from the GTX 1660 Super. It's been the best upgrade for me so far. Again, what the hell are you talking about?
@@yussef961 I have seen stupid things on this website, but you really knocked it out of the park. Comparing a mid range card with high end ones? WOW. Way to go. Also, no. At 1080p and 1440p the 6700XT outperforms the 1080.
@@yussef961 1080 and 2080? lmfao sure bud I would certainly hope a 3080 outperforms a 6700 XT considering it was an $800 (MSRP) card when the 6700 XT launched at $479 4080 is a generation newer and is a completely unfit comparison
I'm still running 3700x with 2070 super at 1440p. Games I play seem to run just fine. Even the newest titles. Can't run some hevier newer games at max settings, but again I'm ok with dropping a few options. Games still look good enough. I don't see any reason to upgrade at the moment. Everything I want runs just fine.
I running exactly the same setup lol, all my games run great and I even sim race on triples with this build for the last couple of years and I've never had an issue.
I run a 3700X with a 3070 and i got both of them for 430 Usd (combined) and i gotta say its more than enough for my future gaming needs too. I can run God of War at ultra graphics with 110Fps at 1080p. More than satisfied :)
As Tech pointed out, the 3700X is similar to the CPU cores in the current consoles. Some new games are already getting very heavy and we see console games that are forced to run in 30 fps modes again and hitting CPU bottlenecks (e.g. Plague Tale Requiem). For new PC games where we want higher frame rates, or we want to dabble in new technologies, we need more. On the other hand if you go back to your Steam backlog, it will run all kinds of games great!
It runs our old games wonderfully... until a windows update breaks them. My all time favorite game is 20yrs old and I still play it. It needed a patch to get it running in Win7 & beyond, & then the fun with Windows began again. It was like a battle with Windows determined to break the game. GoG was a big help recently. Even with those headaches, it's usually better than trying to play a 15yr old console game
Still going strong with my 3700X here paired with a 4070Ti, It runs max settings Baldurs Gate 3, Starfield, and Path Tracing Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty at 1440p just fine. While the upgrade to the 5800X3D is very tempting, it seems like the benefit will be quite minimum for my 1440p max settings gaming experience. I expect this to last for another 2 years before it will actually start struggling in some games with max settings.
I got a 5700x when they were $150 from BestBuy....was a noticeable upgrade from my 3700x...if you're still interested, AliExpress has them for $155...also the 5700x3D came out yesterday, so, I'm kicking myself a little.
@@AlhazerdVivi 28-33ish in heavier areas, 40-50ish most of the time, 50-70ish in less dense areas or out of the city. This is with DLSS Quality turned ON, and Frame Generation turned OFF.
@@indiexanna hmm okay, I expected the number to be higher lol, I'm still using 2080s and gets around the same fps with FSR 2.1 enabled, guess I'll upgrade the whole system if I want a noticable improvement.
The Ryzen 7 3700X was a formidable 8C/16T CPU when it came out. I have one in my system from January 2020 to present. It started life paired with an RTX 3070 and more recently, an RX 6800 XT (pairs well with both cards). It's 2023 now and the CPU still feels and performs really well. Buttery smooth desktop use, quick simple video edits and 1080p gaming. At 65W TDP, it runs quite cool too, albeit slightly undervolted - doesn't go above 70°C during renders/stress test and 60°C during gaming. I use a Deepcool AK400 tower cooler. For my use-case, I think it will give me another year or two before requiring an upgrade to something snappier. Things to note though. I usually play Overwatch 1080p with a constant 240fps but whenever I run OBS to stream some gameplay to my Twitch, the fps will drop to between 170-200. Not noticeable but something to be aware of. Overall, it's still a great performing CPU in 2023, not for the most intense productivity work (whereby I'll use my other PC with a 13600K in it) but it's perfectly fit for gaming.
Bro, i have the same exact config as you do, However the 6800xt is a very powerful card, and I have a 1440p monitor, that means that that card can push over 120fps in almost any game in qhd, unfortunately the r7 3800x is not enough to get 70+ in any modern game
hey its nice you noticed the struggle on some parts of the world had, here in the Indonesian market often times the more popular the product is, the cheaper they get. something like the i3 12100f can be cheaper than US pricing while other SKUs tend to be 20-30% more expensive
I have a 7 3700x with a 2080 super, 16 gb ddr4 3200mhz planning on upgrading to 64gb It's running battlefield 2042 pretty well, it's so far the only latest game I'm playing. Hard to know when I should upgrade, my PC does everything well that I throw at it. I use a 1080p monitor
Nice! I've got a desktop with a 3900X in it. My test bench PC has a 1700X in it and Ive been thinking about getting a 5700G or 5700X for the latter. I really like AMD Zen. My laptop has a 6900HS in it too.
I rock a Ryzen 5 3600 with a 6750xt and it performs 1440p well over 140fps and can stream and record like no tomorrow love this setup definitely upgrade to a 5700xt in the near future
My girlfriend's brother actually ran the 3700x with a 6900xt on his 3440x1440 monitor for a bit and it did surprisingly well. He's since then upgraded to a 5800x3D, but for what it was worth the 3700x was a great CPU that lasted him a while. I'd probably say that the 3700x would pair fine with a higher end GPU if you're running at 1440p+, but something like the 5800x3D should definitely be considered as an upgrade path due to its recent price cuts.
I am running a 3700x with a 6750xt and im able to clear consistent 250+ fps in 1440p on games like valorant or fortnight and games like R6 Siege and apex im able to stay just under 400fps. Im not playing any major triple A games anytime soon as i have a series X for that. I am looking to upgrade to a 5800x3D hopefully around Christmas time
If you playing non competitive FPS games like valorant or CSGO then pairing high end GPU with 3700X is a no go at 1440P since I have 3700X and 7900 XTX sapphire nitro. 3700X bottlenecks 7900 XTX like crazy to like 60%-80% GPU usage at 1440P max graphics on helldivers or RE4 Remake. Planning to upgrade to 7800X3D in 2 months and put 3700X in my 3rd PC as backup.
im currently on the 3700X. while i dont really need an upgrade right now, i feel like it might still take several years before either company comes out with a product that makes me go "YES! i want that!" with AMD still not doubling the cores until probably Zen 6 and Intel allegedly having to refresh Raptor Lake for 14th gen as Meteor Lake on desktop isnt doing so hot, and in that case i'd just like to be on the latest generation of my current older platform. ive been looking at the zen3 options and always felt like the 5800X3D cache would be wasted for me, and R9 options probably not being a good fit for my current motherboard's mediocre VRM and probably throttling. i might look into the 5700X option you mentioned. before, i always just felt it would be too small of an upgrade because of the common "if you want to upgrade, UPGRADE!" message here, but since this isnt about the latest and greatest that might not actually apply here.
I hear you, I was on 2700x and jumped to 5800x3d and boy was I happy. I won't be upgrading the cpu for a little while and getting a new graphics card probably next year.
i havent decided yet because of two reasons. the first being that i simply dont need an upgrade for my usecase. it'd just be nice to have for reducing latency as well as single core speed, and probably increase value when i sell my pc when its time to get a new one, however even though a lot of things i do are singlecore based im already bottlenecked by unoptimized game-engines you cant build against and monitor refresh rate. but thats where the second reason comes in which is that right now my pc just works fine, and my inexperience in pc building doesnt really make me want to tinker with it, since i also dont have a backup pc in case anything goes wrong. but as you can tell, since its about usecase and experience, those reasons are completely tied to me alone and shouldnt apply to anyone elses choice in a similar situation.
I feel my sons 9900k and my 10850k are in the same boat as the 3700x. We play at least 1440p so the cpus are not completely taxed since we use a 3070 and 3090. Like the 3700x I am pushing for hopefully 2 to 3 more years of solid performance.
The 9900K is slightly faster than a 3700X, it absolutely is not EOL! However, for a premium expensive, it IS 5 years old, so it's not "the best" today. Nuance is a thing, hard to put into a video title. :) I think most people can keep all of those CPUs for a few more years.
A friend of mine had a birthday on the 4th so I went to his place while he was working and switched out his 3700x with my old 5900x and his 16gbs for 32 gbs of ram. He called me the next morning asking me "What I'd u do!? It's so F-n fast!"
I am running 3700X for semiconductor simulation and it still runs great. Those CAD software companies do not really accept the state-of-art stuff quickly and the performance saturates at 16 threads. I could upgrade to the newest Intel with e-cores. But they are not very well accepted under the Linux environment and upgrading 128GB of ram to DDR5 is pricey. In the end, it will be replaced in a couple of years. But after that, I bet 3700X will serve well for non hardcore gaming and everyday tasks.
I worked on a 4790k build this weekend (new cooler+ case, OC'd the ram and chip, all that jazz) and its crazy how not bad it is. I think the 3700X will end up that way in 10 years. Is it great... of course not... but if all you play is City Skylines, Sims, Civ 5 and 6, etc... it's more than adequate. Would I be happy with either? No, but everyone ain't me.
3700x is already 4 years old. Plus another 10 years I would never recommend someone to have that old of a system. For me, keeping up with new titles 5-6 years is good time to upgrade
Well Cities Skylines is way more demanding than you think. With mods and assets, it can very demanding even for a 13900K. With Cities Skylines 2 coming, I can only imagine it will be much more demanding
@@lavaregion6968 I agree but they mostly vanilla and Unity is very single core heavy so 4 to 6 cores and 8/12 threads is fine if you aren't building massive sprawling cities. I did absolutely suggest to upgrade for CS2 though. Like I said it's not something I'd be happy with but it works for them.
I'm on 3900x, the CPU is still in good shape for most of my needs but I want to upgrade to 5950x (as I want to keep my motherboard). BUT when you said that the Intel 13600 can beat the 5950x in most cases, I was astonished !! I verified that on some website and you are right (as always) ! So ... I don't know. Maybe go with an 5950x at very good price (less than 400 USD) or ditch the motherboard and ryzen altogether and go full intel (that still support DDR4 !)
@@jankarlocagalpin4385 1080p ultra wide. I aim for above 60fps. In god of war, with the 3700x, I was bottlenecked to 75 frames. In rise of the tomb raider, I was getting high fps but my CPU was fully maxed, leaving my pc unable to do other activities. 5800x3d alleviated these issues. Now get over 100fps in god of war and am GPU limited. The 3700x was still great overall but not for anything over the usual 60 fps.
Interesting, I have the 3700x and 3070 combo too and overclocking the memory clock by 1350 MHz doesn’t really affect fps, upping the core clock by 160 MHz did though. Could go even higher but the 650W PSU is limiting). I wonder if the CPU is holding it back or if its actually thermal throttling and the newer chip just run cooler. I run VR with lots of supersampling at 90 Hz with occasional micro stutters when it’s loading in textures, always assumed it’s the 8GB VRAM.
The most demanding stuff I play on my 3700x are games that came out the year the 3700x released. So I'm happy with its performance. If I played newer games the story would change.
This makes me feel good. I just bought a Used Ryzen 7 3700X (Upgrading a Ryzen 3 3300) on Facebook Marketplace for $75. The seller upgraded their PC and wanted to recoup some of their spent funds quickly. I was worried that maybe i messed up settling so low but my build is hardcore entry level with a Radeon RX 5700 XT GPU. I bought my CPU from a guy who was gifted it two years ago as a gift (Pre-Build) with the GPU. He sold it to me for $300 and since then, iv probably put in another $400 in upgrades to the unit. I mainly wanted to even get an entry level PC so i can play modded Skyrim, Fallout, Mass Effect and WoW down the line. I already have a unlocked PS5 so if i really wanted to play a AAA title with full 4K / 120FPS on my true 4K tv then i can do that. Even with this video being two years old, i feel more confident now about my purchase. In 5 years when GTA 6, Elder Scrolls 6, Mass Effect 4, and whatever new version of Fallout exist, I'll worry about building a newer PC with mid-tier possibilities then. For now, im cool with my fully spec'd "entry" level being able to play my favorite games at max capacity.
I had used an I7 3770k for like 7-8 years till I had upgraded to a 3700x build back in late 2019. I used it for about 2 years then sold it to my friend which he still uses and is happy about. It was a great cpu. Snappy as hell with dual rank ddr4 and an nvme ssd. It was also great for gaming in 1440p for me and I'm sure it'll not bottleneck unless like you go with 4080 or something with 1440p resolution for AAA titles. And as for competitive gaming, unless like you have a 360-500hz monitor and you want to squeeze every single frame that monitor can show, 200-300fps in competitive titles is pretty enough even for very skilled competitive gamers. While I can't say it'll be okay to pair it with a 4090 and get all the fps even with maxed out settings and RT on, it'll still be very playable and I'm not sure who in their right minds would pair a 3700x with the latest gen top tier gpu.
@@zingwilder9989 I upgraded from 8700k to the 5800X3D. I had to... it was at the end and I felt bad if I bought a new graphics card and paired it with that old i7
@@Ladioz I hear you. Upgrading to the 5800X3D makes perfect sense. Recently, I built a new rig (13600K with a Z790 DDR5 board). Nonetheless, I'm still using my 3080 (12 GB) card that I had originally paired with 8700K, last year. My wife has the 8700K machine now for card playing and shopping online. However, I will always love that CPU.
@@zingwilder9989 3080 is still a great card. when it was released it was the best thing ever, everyone said it will last long. i guess the only bad thing about it is that it uses too much power compared to the 40 series, but still a great combination with that 13600k
I did a 3700x three years ago. I am playing the most demanding games there are still. Now, there is an upgrade path to the 5700x and I do plan to do that soon. At that point I am back to 5 years.
I agree! I went from a 3600x to a 5700x and I am more than happy. Around black friday 2024 seems like a good time to jump onto AM5 when prices come down. I only see myself going to a 7800x3d to have a noticeable gain at 1440p. But for $450, its not worth it yet. AM4 still has plenty of life yet!
I am in the PH, I just ordered a 3700X used from China for only 80 usd. I will enjoy it for a year or two and then try to re-sell it for around 115 usd..
I'm building a new system this weekend, but I loved my 3700x and it has lasted me for a long time now. I'll keep the system on the side for other stuff, but my new build will have a 4090- so I was definitely ready to build for the future.
Well, it is a great CPU anyways, for office, gaming, music production. I use it for music production, mix and mastering. I've being using it for 2 years. And I think it can hold another 5 years. Tools for music have a slower upgrade rate than games and other PC task.
This video pertaining to the 3700x was quite useful as I'm considering building a PC for a friend of mine with some old parts of mine. They include a 3700x, RTX 2070, and 32gb of G.Skill RAM along with a 28" Asus 4k/60 hz monitor. I just need to get a PSU, case, SSD drive, and motherboard (likely B-550 type). His current system is at least 10 years old with a dual core i3 CPU and 4gb of RAM (from what he told me). It only has onboard graphics.
This guy unlike many tech youtubers is very well informed and considerate towards people all over the world not just in the rich western countries. That is something that you will not find easily, likes of linus tech tips don't even bother to consider any audience outside of the north america. Thank you for your consideration and percipience. 🙂 ☔
I just upgraded my gpu from 2070 super to a 4070 super while running a r7 3700... it jumped my fps on helldivers2 from 60fps at low to medium settings to 80-100 on ultra.... also have 64gb of ddr4 3600. And a 850watt psu..if you want to budget and get by for a while running an older build with a 3700 than you definitely can just fine
Good video as always. I'd like to share my experience in case it helps someone. I recently upgraded from a 3700x and a GTX 1080 with a Dell 27-inch QHD 60Hz monitor to a 5700x and a 6700xt with an LG 27-inch QHD 165Hz monitor (I didn't change my motherboard, it's an Asus Crosshair VI Hero x370). I'm a photographer and graphic designer, and I also mainly play Warzone 2. There's a noticeable difference in the overall responsiveness of the operating system and programs. The most significant improvement I noticed was in FPS and their stability. Perhaps in design and photography programs, I feel the least change. Would I recommend the upgrade? Yes, definitely. At least until giving the components a few more years. Cheers!
Not planning on upgrading my 3700x for a year most probably 2, don't have many issues with new releases (so far) that are the fault of the CPU, just bad programming mainly. I game at 1440p paired with an RTX 3080.
I upgraded from a 3350g to a 3700x recently, I found a motherboard and cpu on fb marketplace for 100quid, the cheapest 5600 or 5700 I could find was 150 without motherboard so pulled the trigger on the 3700, I will probably buy am5 next so the 100 was a bargain and it is night and day compared to the 3350
im dumb but wouldn't it be better to go from a r7 3700x to a r5 7600x? i mainly game and sometimes stream, is the 7600x better than the 5700x? Please answer as i am having a tough time wrapping my head around it.
My cousin is running a Fx8350 with a gtx750ti since 2014. I bought him today a pc with a 3700x and a gtx1080ti for 180€ / $200 , that setup will last him the next 5 years easily.
while going from 3700x to 5700x is a nice jump, i think going to 5800x3d instead is much better upgrade which will definitely make a noticeable difference and will serve as last hurrah for am4 platform very well, plus 5800x3d doesnt really care about your ram speed so if you have slow ram it wont matter with that combo. If you have 5700x already i would advise skipping 5800x3d though. Wait few more years and upgrade whole platform there is a difference for sure but it wont make games from unplayable to fully playable, smooth.
Super useful video, loved it. I also run R7 3700x but paired with RX6650XT and it eats whatever you throw at it. My limiting factor unfortunately is my MB AB350 that's why i moved from R3 3200 to R7 3700x coz now i max my MB capability and will save up for future big upgrade. Got the GPU for 300$ and CPU without packaging for 80$ (just for ref. RTX 4090 in my country goes for well over 2000$ and that's how much i paid for my car. Go figure :/ )
Unless you need to sell parts to upgrade, why not just keep them? Even when too slow to run new games, a 3700X will be fantastic as an office or lounge PC! I run a 2700X in the lounge with a 970 card and it's great. Typing on it now. Running through a 4K TV.
End of life? Lol that processor was still be banging out games for years to come. People are way too quick to try to buy new gear for no reason other than to keep up with the Joneses. Just like buying a new phone every year.
@@TheDonBryi went from a 3600x to a 5700x and noticed a nice uplift in fps even at 1440p. I think its a solid upgrade and its power efficient and runs cool. And for under $200, you cant go wrong with the 5700x
Speaking of latency and how the system "feels", I wonder if you have a take on the Intel 12th gen latency issue TechYesCity recently covered in a video.
I only play Valorant, CSGO, Apex Legends and League of Legends. I'm currently running Ryzen 7 3700x , RX 5700 XT with 2k res 144hz monitor and I'm planning to upgrade my video card to either RX 7800 xt, 4070 or 4070 TI. any recommendations would be appreciated.
I have a 1080p ultra-wide monitor (2560 x1080, 75hz). Currently, i have the R7 3700x paired with the RTX 2060. I generally play single player games. I don't see myself going for a major upgrade for next 2 years or so. But is upgrading to a RTX 4060 ti, a good option for 1080p ultra-wide gaming with high settings (Ray tracing, DLSS are amazing in games). Will my current 3700x bottleneck the 4060 Ti.
TBH, a combination of 3700x + 6700 xt, i.e. PC hardware equivalent to the PS5/ XSX, should be good throughout the lifetime of these consoles, albeit 1080p perhaps in later years. For now, it can run several "PS" ports like GoT, GoW, Uncharted, TLOU, HFW, Ratchet & Clank etc. at 1440p 60 fps. Especially the last one which spills over 8 GB VRAM at 1440p
The good thing is AM4 platform ... It starts on Ryzen 1200 ang goes all the way through the 2000,3000,4000 and 5000x series ... You gonna be a perfectly fine with 3700X for a few years and you can uppgrade on a cheap later on ... 3700X with 6750XT will give you the SAM 🙂
Would be great to see you talk about an high end i9-13900K build and what would make sense for that type of build, I am seeing a lot of other youtubers putting in some silly/cheap parts like the a low PSU for example just for benchmarks and not talking about what parts would make sense and why for that type of high end. (I am going back and watching old content to try and find somethings that will relate to this) (if you see this thank you for the years of great info, you are the only youtuber who explains why instead of “just get this” and isn't afraid to tell people to spend a little bit more for the long run. )
I am rather curious to know what your thought is on the expiration date is o. the ryzen 5 5600x. How long do you think cpu will be one of the best current middleweight champions.
I recently went to my dads house that has my 5~ yr old PC with ryzen 1700 and gtx 1070 in it. the ryzen 1700 is 8 cores but the low IPC definitely did not hold up as well as the 1070 did, most games my GPU wasn't at 100% because of it.
Yup ! I made this same upgrade meself :) Zen 2 was an odball design, If I had it to do over again I'd've opted for Zen Plus before moving to the 5700X...
Just bought a used 3700x for $100CAN and sold my 2700(non X) for $80CAN. A 5700x new is $225CAN+tax. I couldn't see the 5700x being worth another $165 vs the 3700x right now.
The Ryzen 9 5900X is a pretty nice compromise since it can run at 65W while holding a pretty solid base clock on 12 cores, but 16 cores still don't make much sense performance wise unless you need a high threat count, and anything above 65W has a pretty poor performance / watt ratio. AMD 4 still is interesting even if bought new, but only if you target low to midrange applications, and the list of interesting CPUs is rather limited too: Ryzen 5 4500, 5 4600G, 5 5600, 5 5600G, 7 5700G, 7 5700X and possibly said Ryzen 9 5900X - and I would recommend the same as "Byte Size Tech" which is going Zen 3 with a 5700X. There are older and smaller versions, but the 4500 already is too cheap to actually consider those. The higher end, meaing 5600X3D, 5800X3D, 5900X and 5950X, may be nice update options, but for a new performance focused PC going AM5 with a Ryzen 5 7600+ would likely make more sense.
I have the 3700X on an ASUS X570 Prime Pro mobo, ARC A770 LE 16GB playing on a 3840x1200 43.5" 144Hz ultra-wide monitor. I've been on the fence about whether or not to buy a 5700X/5800X3D. Though the 5600X3D look interesting but will be only available in select USA stores and not in Canada (yet).
the thing is... most new games really dont look that impressive, no noticable difference in graphics anymore while being horribly unoptimized, they're just rushed tools for money and making people think they need to buy $4000 nuclear powerplant eater computers... ryzen 7 3700x and rx 6750xt runs any game that is developed with more than 5% thought into it at 1440p 90-144+ fps on ultra.. I don't see the need to upgrade for quite a while and I'm not throwing away a perfectly fine cpu. If anything, if you're looking for a new system, then you probably shouldn't buy a ryzen 7 3700x just because almost everything on the market will be a used 3700x, while you could spend slightly more or far less the price of a 3700x for a brand new better and recent cpu.
tech help sell a 3600xt lol you know i didn't want to admit you were right about the 8 cores , until i saw the 5800x on sale for $300 i bought , to replace the 3600xt ... boy what a change
7700 XT or 7800 XT for this CPU? I play on 1440p and want a GPU for the next 3-4 years, without changing the CPU in that period. I'm afraid the 7800 XT is a huge waist of money because of a potential bottleneck, especially when playing mainly RTS (but also CoD campaign every year and GTA 5 - rest is Age of Empires 2: Definitive Edition, StarCraft 2 and Frostpunk). 6000's series is no option in Switzerland, because 7000's series is already cheaper. I have a GTX 1070 running atm :)
i bought my prebuild a couple years ago and it has this R7 3700x with 32gb ram and its been serving me fine but ive been itching to upgrade for a while and deciding if i want to invest in a whole new build or just make a few improvements. The problem is that im still runing a GTX 1660 on a B550 board with a 500 Watt block. How good of an upgrade could i give it with those specs? Money isnt really much of an object when considering a new GPU or anything else really...i dont really have the building experience but i think i could manage at least a graphics card update on my own. But also wondering if i should just save a little more and buy a whole new build with at least a $3k budget.
I was looking to buy the 7900xt it's priced around $780 but i have seen it being sold cheaper. Today i saw a 7900xtx at $940. What would be an approximate price where the 7900xtx becomes more attractive than the 7900xt. It would be for your Ryzen 7 7700x build. I plan to do office work and play AAA games (Cyberpunk, starfield, Baldur's gate 3) on a 38" ultrawide monitor 3840x1600. so far they come with a refresh rate of 144hz. and hopefully an oled version is released before I'm ready to buy. Thank you.
There's no definitive answer. I've read where people are still using Core 2 Duos and plan to extend their service for another 5-years, or more? There are multiple variables involved. The common enthusiast would say obviously not, but others would dispute that to the ends of the earth.
The next generation of consoles won't be out until 2028. I think you'll be ok until then. You might have to settle for less than 60 fps at times, but it isn't the end of the world.
Sense there are not many new Triple A games I want to play and most of them that I do play came out befoew 2020 Im good with my 3700x for 1440p gaming matched with my 6700xt. There has only been one new game I got and that was FF7 remake.
well... i have a B350 mobo and a 1st gen R5 1600 in it... The R5 1600 it's okeyish but for real this PC needs a CPU upgrade in order to maintain relevance... i'm in LatinAmerica so my income compared to PC parts isn't that good, so i expect to get the most performance for as much time as i can get, since it is also a bad country to sell used PC parts anyway. i was about to purchase a R7 3700x as an upgrade to the CPU, but 3700x its more expensive here than a 5700x brand new from abroad... and by a lot (abou 1/3 more expensive) not to mention the "brand new" 5700x prize... I was pretty happy with how close is the R7 3700x to the R7 5700x in terms of gaming performance... but Lucky for me a friend travelling to europe offered me to bring the CPU with him... so i purchased the R7 5700x which will be arriving to my hands in the next couple of weeks i do hope the R7 5700x keeps relevant for the next 8 years, since it is a 2022 mainstream CPU, so i guess it could last 10 years since release date. Moreon since in my country we play games a couple of years older just for the costs
I have an older game which crawls on my 3700x, at around 5 FPS after 1 hour of playing while the 5800X holds 60FPS. I feel like it's because of two things: poor optimization in the game as it's single threaded, and that infinity cache link internally.
@@ByteSizeTech sorry, I was wrong, had to refresh my knowledge and you are right. I confused the CCD and CCX, the 3700X does use two 4-core CCX on one CCD and those communicate through the infinity fabric. On a 3900x/3950x there are 2 CCD. The data fabric is used to communicate between the CCD and the IO die (CCIo or how it's called). Zen and Zen+ had a single CCX per CCD, and that's what I got confused about.
You're not paying for 3 pizzas. You are paying to eat in a restaurant/tips for the delivery fast food. And he's talking about buying a 2nd hand 5700x. That means dealing with the nightmare that is the AM4 2nd hand market. Most of these UA-camrs have never dealt with how bad the bent pin % chance situation is on 2nd hand AM4 chips.
Heck, when I am currently running 3 8350's and an 1100T, and I am very happy. Why is that? Maybe you can keep them going just fine (even with AAA titles.) Yeah, you have a way of saying money is no object, but why get rid of something when you have equipment that works fine? Uh, I find it a bit difficult to believe you.
Smh I regret getting intel platform over and when I got my first gaming pc back in 2018, looking at ppl upgrade several cpus in same am4 platform. I need new pc and it has to be am5 not intel cpus
I just need to last 3-4 more years on my 5700x and rtx 2070 on my x370 motherboard. So probably next upgrade is gpu. Then update motherboard finally and cpu again a year or so later
lol detail setting have nothing to do with CPU performance, lowering details is to remove GPU bottleneck, there are some settings than can help with CPU performance but very few, that's why the CPU is more important than the GPU in a long time build, you will change the GPU a few times anyway but if you get a good CPU it will last you years and many GPU upgrades, still using a 9900k and no plans to upgrade till Lunar lake.
What size monitor, resolution and max framerate do you plan to run on the 3700x on in the next few years?
if you run at 4k 60hz without rt you can run the 3700x the next few years easily
in my humble opinion, don't go beyond 24" for 1080p, as for refresh rate go for 120hz at least just so you wouldn't have to upgrade again in the future, and for framerate 60 for 3A games and for online competitive games go for 120+, i hope i gave you some clarity
@@joja2174 you are not going to find 120hz 1080p monitors. They start at 144hz these days.
@joja2174 also the gpus from the 6000 series and 30 series can all run 1080p 144hz just fine.
it cant run some games without stuttering even now,lol....
That was graciously stated. Indeed, there are a multitude of factors involved with upgrading: Cash flow, location availability, preferred games, resolutions and so on. Many people are still running CPUs such as the 3770K & 4690K and are still singing their praises. The same applies to video cards like the 970 and 1080. I suppose that it all depends on the person?
I ran a _3570K_ for a frankly ridiculous amount of time and it really wasn't until this year that I finally decided that I was tired of the 4C/4T life
I rocked a single-core Athlon 64 3200+ for 8 years on AM2. It had 3 GB ram, 160 GB hard drive, and a Geforce 7600 GT (from 2011 on). It had Windows XP.
I had that pc from end of 2006 until end of 2014. We wanted to get a new one in 2012, but lack of funds kept us from doing so. I had to get every bit out of that computer even 8 months beyond the end of XP support that year. ;-)
im still rocking the 2200g ever since i got it 2 years ago, im planning to finally upgrade next month and i was choosing between getting a 3700x which is easily available at a very small price range, or getting the 5700x which i couldnt find many offers of and they were a fair amount more expensive than the 3700x, this video pretty much just convinced me to buy the 5700x regardless, by either just waiting another month or waiting for a better offer
i have to say, even the 2200g is still capable of many AAA games today, its a big bottleneck for trying to run those games at 60 fps, but ultimately like the vid says, its not the end of the world, all games are still very enjoyable, that is until u try something like Star Citizen which is borderline unplayable at of the fps dips to 6 fps and falling through the world with the cpu at 100%, 1 in a 100 type of game but still
That really doesn't to the 970 though, it's just fast enough to still be "fine" for 1080p but the problem is the crippled VRAM. You really can't get away with less than 6gb these days. 3.5gb is not enough. GTX 980 is the lowest I would go for budget. I don't see anybody singing the 970's praises honestly no one ever does for anything by nVidia that's below a 80ti or at minimum 80 because their VRAM sucks, the support sucks, usually all the lower cards go tits up. Apparently their older GPUs also fail way more frequently than Radeons. Sometimes this counts with even high GPU, the 780ti is completely worthless these days for a reason, it's not about the driver support, it's the 3gb of VRAM making it completely useless. Not supporting Vulkan just makes it worse.
Tech saying how amazing the AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT makes me such a proud owner of one. Tech recommended me this GPU when I wanted to upgrade from GTX 1660 SUPER and it's been the best. ❤
Great to hear!
@@yussef961 the hell are you talking about? it's been the best *FOR ME*. I'm writing from my experience upgrading from the GTX 1660 Super. It's been the best upgrade for me so far. Again, what the hell are you talking about?
@@yussef961elaborate or bust.
@@yussef961 I have seen stupid things on this website, but you really knocked it out of the park. Comparing a mid range card with high end ones? WOW. Way to go.
Also, no. At 1080p and 1440p the 6700XT outperforms the 1080.
@@yussef961 1080 and 2080? lmfao sure bud
I would certainly hope a 3080 outperforms a 6700 XT considering it was an $800 (MSRP) card when the 6700 XT launched at $479
4080 is a generation newer and is a completely unfit comparison
I'm still running 3700x with 2070 super at 1440p. Games I play seem to run just fine. Even the newest titles. Can't run some hevier newer games at max settings, but again I'm ok with dropping a few options. Games still look good enough. I don't see any reason to upgrade at the moment. Everything I want runs just fine.
I running exactly the same setup lol, all my games run great and I even sim race on triples with this build for the last couple of years and I've never had an issue.
Problems will show if you try for high-refresh (~120fps or more) gaming. If you aim for 60fps, the 3700x will last quite a bit longer.
no need to upgrade to new stuff, diminishing returns are fully there.
I run a 3700X with a 3070 and i got both of them for 430 Usd (combined) and i gotta say its more than enough for my future gaming needs too. I can run God of War at ultra graphics with 110Fps at 1080p. More than satisfied :)
Great deal
As Tech pointed out, the 3700X is similar to the CPU cores in the current consoles. Some new games are already getting very heavy and we see console games that are forced to run in 30 fps modes again and hitting CPU bottlenecks (e.g. Plague Tale Requiem). For new PC games where we want higher frame rates, or we want to dabble in new technologies, we need more. On the other hand if you go back to your Steam backlog, it will run all kinds of games great!
It runs our old games wonderfully... until a windows update breaks them.
My all time favorite game is 20yrs old and I still play it. It needed a patch to get it running in Win7 & beyond, & then the fun with Windows began again. It was like a battle with Windows determined to break the game.
GoG was a big help recently.
Even with those headaches, it's usually better than trying to play a 15yr old console game
@@goldenheartOhi guess your 20yrs old games are GTA3/VC/SA, or NFSU2, NR2003... ?
Plague Tale developers were just lazy, if It can run with ray tracing at 30 fps It should be possible to have a 60 fps mode.
I'm so glad he is making videos again, his emphasis on nuance is very welcome and tends to get lost by some other creators in this space.
Still going strong with my 3700X here paired with a 4070Ti, It runs max settings Baldurs Gate 3, Starfield, and Path Tracing Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty at 1440p just fine.
While the upgrade to the 5800X3D is very tempting, it seems like the benefit will be quite minimum for my 1440p max settings gaming experience. I expect this to last for another 2 years before it will actually start struggling in some games with max settings.
I got a 5700x when they were $150 from BestBuy....was a noticeable upgrade from my 3700x...if you're still interested, AliExpress has them for $155...also the 5700x3D came out yesterday, so, I'm kicking myself a little.
What fps you getting on cyberpunk?
@@AlhazerdVivi 28-33ish in heavier areas, 40-50ish most of the time, 50-70ish in less dense areas or out of the city. This is with DLSS Quality turned ON, and Frame Generation turned OFF.
@@indiexanna hmm okay, I expected the number to be higher lol, I'm still using 2080s and gets around the same fps with FSR 2.1 enabled, guess I'll upgrade the whole system if I want a noticable improvement.
@@AlhazerdVivi Really? On 1440p with Path Tracing On? (Not the regular Ray Tracing)
The Ryzen 7 3700X was a formidable 8C/16T CPU when it came out. I have one in my system from January 2020 to present. It started life paired with an RTX 3070 and more recently, an RX 6800 XT (pairs well with both cards). It's 2023 now and the CPU still feels and performs really well. Buttery smooth desktop use, quick simple video edits and 1080p gaming. At 65W TDP, it runs quite cool too, albeit slightly undervolted - doesn't go above 70°C during renders/stress test and 60°C during gaming. I use a Deepcool AK400 tower cooler. For my use-case, I think it will give me another year or two before requiring an upgrade to something snappier. Things to note though. I usually play Overwatch 1080p with a constant 240fps but whenever I run OBS to stream some gameplay to my Twitch, the fps will drop to between 170-200. Not noticeable but something to be aware of. Overall, it's still a great performing CPU in 2023, not for the most intense productivity work (whereby I'll use my other PC with a 13600K in it) but it's perfectly fit for gaming.
Bro, i have the same exact config as you do, However the 6800xt is a very powerful card, and I have a 1440p monitor, that means that that card can push over 120fps in almost any game in qhd, unfortunately the r7 3800x is not enough to get 70+ in any modern game
3700x is a beast. Finally jumping to 5700x to hold me until 9000 drops
hey its nice you noticed the struggle on some parts of the world had,
here in the Indonesian market often times the more popular the product is, the cheaper they get.
something like the i3 12100f can be cheaper than US pricing while other SKUs tend to be 20-30% more expensive
I decided to drop in a 5900x when they were on a black friday sale and use my 3700x for a NAS. It was a great excuse to do another build :)
How much was it in black fri?
I have a 7 3700x with a 2080 super, 16 gb ddr4 3200mhz planning on upgrading to 64gb
It's running battlefield 2042 pretty well, it's so far the only latest game I'm playing.
Hard to know when I should upgrade, my PC does everything well that I throw at it. I use a 1080p monitor
I moved from a 2700x to a 5700x last fall - the 5700x is a sleeper. Added bonus - since they are both 65 watt parts, I could reuse my cooler.
Nice! I've got a desktop with a 3900X in it. My test bench PC has a 1700X in it and Ive been thinking about getting a 5700G or 5700X for the latter. I really like AMD Zen. My laptop has a 6900HS in it too.
I rock a Ryzen 5 3600 with a 6750xt and it performs 1440p well over 140fps and can stream and record like no tomorrow love this setup definitely upgrade to a 5700xt in the near future
My girlfriend's brother actually ran the 3700x with a 6900xt on his 3440x1440 monitor for a bit and it did surprisingly well. He's since then upgraded to a 5800x3D, but for what it was worth the 3700x was a great CPU that lasted him a while.
I'd probably say that the 3700x would pair fine with a higher end GPU if you're running at 1440p+, but something like the 5800x3D should definitely be considered as an upgrade path due to its recent price cuts.
I am running a 3700x with a 6750xt and im able to clear consistent 250+ fps in 1440p on games like valorant or fortnight and games like R6 Siege and apex im able to stay just under 400fps. Im not playing any major triple A games anytime soon as i have a series X for that. I am looking to upgrade to a 5800x3D hopefully around Christmas time
If you playing non competitive FPS games like valorant or CSGO then pairing high end GPU with 3700X is a no go at 1440P since I have 3700X and 7900 XTX sapphire nitro. 3700X bottlenecks 7900 XTX like crazy to like 60%-80% GPU usage at 1440P max graphics on helldivers or RE4 Remake. Planning to upgrade to 7800X3D in 2 months and put 3700X in my 3rd PC as backup.
im currently on the 3700X. while i dont really need an upgrade right now, i feel like it might still take several years before either company comes out with a product that makes me go "YES! i want that!" with AMD still not doubling the cores until probably Zen 6 and Intel allegedly having to refresh Raptor Lake for 14th gen as Meteor Lake on desktop isnt doing so hot, and in that case i'd just like to be on the latest generation of my current older platform. ive been looking at the zen3 options and always felt like the 5800X3D cache would be wasted for me, and R9 options probably not being a good fit for my current motherboard's mediocre VRM and probably throttling. i might look into the 5700X option you mentioned. before, i always just felt it would be too small of an upgrade because of the common "if you want to upgrade, UPGRADE!" message here, but since this isnt about the latest and greatest that might not actually apply here.
I hear you, I was on 2700x and jumped to 5800x3d and boy was I happy. I won't be upgrading the cpu for a little while and getting a new graphics card probably next year.
Same boat. Did you get the 5700x? Are you planning to?
i havent decided yet because of two reasons. the first being that i simply dont need an upgrade for my usecase. it'd just be nice to have for reducing latency as well as single core speed, and probably increase value when i sell my pc when its time to get a new one, however even though a lot of things i do are singlecore based im already bottlenecked by unoptimized game-engines you cant build against and monitor refresh rate. but thats where the second reason comes in which is that right now my pc just works fine, and my inexperience in pc building doesnt really make me want to tinker with it, since i also dont have a backup pc in case anything goes wrong. but as you can tell, since its about usecase and experience, those reasons are completely tied to me alone and shouldnt apply to anyone elses choice in a similar situation.
I feel my sons 9900k and my 10850k are in the same boat as the 3700x. We play at least 1440p so the cpus are not completely taxed since we use a 3070 and 3090. Like the 3700x I am pushing for hopefully 2 to 3 more years of solid performance.
The 9900K is slightly faster than a 3700X, it absolutely is not EOL!
However, for a premium expensive, it IS 5 years old, so it's not "the best" today. Nuance is a thing, hard to put into a video title. :)
I think most people can keep all of those CPUs for a few more years.
A friend of mine had a birthday on the 4th so I went to his place while he was working and switched out his 3700x with my old 5900x and his 16gbs for 32 gbs of ram.
He called me the next morning asking me "What I'd u do!? It's so F-n fast!"
Thank you for this video, exactly what I was looking for. Did not know that the 3700x is 2 x 4 core chips put together.
Just purchased a R7 5700x to replace my old R5 2600! I love breathing new life into my old pc
I am running 3700X for semiconductor simulation and it still runs great. Those CAD software companies do not really accept the state-of-art stuff quickly and the performance saturates at 16 threads.
I could upgrade to the newest Intel with e-cores. But they are not very well accepted under the Linux environment and upgrading 128GB of ram to DDR5 is pricey.
In the end, it will be replaced in a couple of years. But after that, I bet 3700X will serve well for non hardcore gaming and everyday tasks.
We dont deserve you 😭 I swear this is the most detailed explanation on this topic.
2 days ago I bought a 5700X (upgraded from 3700X)
I worked on a 4790k build this weekend (new cooler+ case, OC'd the ram and chip, all that jazz) and its crazy how not bad it is. I think the 3700X will end up that way in 10 years. Is it great... of course not... but if all you play is City Skylines, Sims, Civ 5 and 6, etc... it's more than adequate.
Would I be happy with either? No, but everyone ain't me.
3700x is already 4 years old. Plus another 10 years I would never recommend someone to have that old of a system. For me, keeping up with new titles 5-6 years is good time to upgrade
Well Cities Skylines is way more demanding than you think. With mods and assets, it can very demanding even for a 13900K. With Cities Skylines 2 coming, I can only imagine it will be much more demanding
@@lavaregion6968 I agree but they mostly vanilla and Unity is very single core heavy so 4 to 6 cores and 8/12 threads is fine if you aren't building massive sprawling cities. I did absolutely suggest to upgrade for CS2 though. Like I said it's not something I'd be happy with but it works for them.
I'm on 3900x, the CPU is still in good shape for most of my needs but I want to upgrade to 5950x (as I want to keep my motherboard). BUT when you said that the Intel 13600 can beat the 5950x in most cases, I was astonished !! I verified that on some website and you are right (as always) ! So ... I don't know. Maybe go with an 5950x at very good price (less than 400 USD) or ditch the motherboard and ryzen altogether and go full intel (that still support DDR4 !)
The i5-13600k really is the outstanding deal of this generation…. DDR4 is absolutely fine to use with it.
13600k or 13700f non k
I am on 3900x oced to 4.4 Ghz, IF 1900, Ddr4 3800 @CL14 with Rtx 4090 and it's performing great at 4k on 4k 165hz Monitor...
3700x was bottlenecking my 3070 for frame rates above 60. Getting the 5800x3d alleviated the bottleneck entirely.
what resolution are you in? what games do you play?
@@jankarlocagalpin4385 1080p ultra wide. I aim for above 60fps. In god of war, with the 3700x, I was bottlenecked to 75 frames. In rise of the tomb raider, I was getting high fps but my CPU was fully maxed, leaving my pc unable to do other activities.
5800x3d alleviated these issues. Now get over 100fps in god of war and am GPU limited. The 3700x was still great overall but not for anything over the usual 60 fps.
@@albanmarku6743 2560x1080p is a good resolution for the 3060Ti/3070 IMO.
@@nateo200 It's great for gaming since you can get high frames without a top of the line card. For desktop use, it's a bit blurry on a 34 inch screen.
Interesting, I have the 3700x and 3070 combo too and overclocking the memory clock by 1350 MHz doesn’t really affect fps, upping the core clock by 160 MHz did though. Could go even higher but the 650W PSU is limiting). I wonder if the CPU is holding it back or if its actually thermal throttling and the newer chip just run cooler. I run VR with lots of supersampling at 90 Hz with occasional micro stutters when it’s loading in textures, always assumed it’s the 8GB VRAM.
The most demanding stuff I play on my 3700x are games that came out the year the 3700x released. So I'm happy with its performance. If I played newer games the story would change.
This makes me feel good. I just bought a Used Ryzen 7 3700X (Upgrading a Ryzen 3 3300) on Facebook Marketplace for $75. The seller upgraded their PC and wanted to recoup some of their spent funds quickly. I was worried that maybe i messed up settling so low but my build is hardcore entry level with a Radeon RX 5700 XT GPU. I bought my CPU from a guy who was gifted it two years ago as a gift (Pre-Build) with the GPU. He sold it to me for $300 and since then, iv probably put in another $400 in upgrades to the unit.
I mainly wanted to even get an entry level PC so i can play modded Skyrim, Fallout, Mass Effect and WoW down the line. I already have a unlocked PS5 so if i really wanted to play a AAA title with full 4K / 120FPS on my true 4K tv then i can do that.
Even with this video being two years old, i feel more confident now about my purchase. In 5 years when GTA 6, Elder Scrolls 6, Mass Effect 4, and whatever new version of Fallout exist, I'll worry about building a newer PC with mid-tier possibilities then. For now, im cool with my fully spec'd "entry" level being able to play my favorite games at max capacity.
I had used an I7 3770k for like 7-8 years till I had upgraded to a 3700x build back in late 2019. I used it for about 2 years then sold it to my friend which he still uses and is happy about. It was a great cpu. Snappy as hell with dual rank ddr4 and an nvme ssd. It was also great for gaming in 1440p for me and I'm sure it'll not bottleneck unless like you go with 4080 or something with 1440p resolution for AAA titles. And as for competitive gaming, unless like you have a 360-500hz monitor and you want to squeeze every single frame that monitor can show, 200-300fps in competitive titles is pretty enough even for very skilled competitive gamers. While I can't say it'll be okay to pair it with a 4090 and get all the fps even with maxed out settings and RT on, it'll still be very playable and I'm not sure who in their right minds would pair a 3700x with the latest gen top tier gpu.
One of the best site to listen to, before spend your money.
Some games run really good on my i7 8700k and some run like an ice cream on a hot day. This is what Tech means and I fully get what he's saying
It sure was a great processor in its day and can still do a lot. However, yes, time is ticking with it.
@@zingwilder9989 I upgraded from 8700k to the 5800X3D. I had to... it was at the end and I felt bad if I bought a new graphics card and paired it with that old i7
@@Ladioz I hear you. Upgrading to the 5800X3D makes perfect sense. Recently, I built a new rig (13600K with a Z790 DDR5 board). Nonetheless, I'm still using my 3080 (12 GB) card that I had originally paired with 8700K, last year. My wife has the 8700K machine now for card playing and shopping online. However, I will always love that CPU.
@@zingwilder9989 3080 is still a great card. when it was released it was the best thing ever, everyone said it will last long. i guess the only bad thing about it is that it uses too much power compared to the 40 series, but still a great combination with that 13600k
@@Ladioz - Man it's wild to think of the 8700K as an old CPU now, but it is.
I did a 3700x three years ago. I am playing the most demanding games there are still. Now, there is an upgrade path to the 5700x and I do plan to do that soon. At that point I am back to 5 years.
here's the crazy thing I actually have my last Ryzen 7 3900X. As a test bench. Listening Great CPU so Far.
Thats good advice. Do the 5700X, save your money and think about doing a new build and getting parts on Black Friday 2024.
I agree! I went from a 3600x to a 5700x and I am more than happy. Around black friday 2024 seems like a good time to jump onto AM5 when prices come down. I only see myself going to a 7800x3d to have a noticeable gain at 1440p. But for $450, its not worth it yet. AM4 still has plenty of life yet!
I am in the PH, I just ordered a 3700X used from China for only 80 usd. I will enjoy it for a year or two and then try to re-sell it for around 115 usd..
that G602 you have is my favorite mouse of all time, on my third right now, and fearing its EOL
I'm building a new system this weekend, but I loved my 3700x and it has lasted me for a long time now. I'll keep the system on the side for other stuff, but my new build will have a 4090- so I was definitely ready to build for the future.
You can still use that 3700x
Well, it is a great CPU anyways, for office, gaming, music production. I use it for music production, mix and mastering. I've being using it for 2 years. And I think it can hold another 5 years. Tools for music have a slower upgrade rate than games and other PC task.
I used 3700x for both my nepews pc and cheap rx 5700xt. theyre loving it.
This video pertaining to the 3700x was quite useful as I'm considering building a PC for a friend of mine with some old parts of mine. They include a 3700x, RTX 2070, and 32gb of G.Skill RAM along with a 28" Asus 4k/60 hz monitor. I just need to get a PSU, case, SSD drive, and motherboard (likely B-550 type).
His current system is at least 10 years old with a dual core i3 CPU and 4gb of RAM (from what he told me). It only has onboard graphics.
This guy unlike many tech youtubers is very well informed and considerate towards people all over the world not just in the rich western countries. That is something that you will not find easily, likes of linus tech tips don't even bother to consider any audience outside of the north america. Thank you for your consideration and percipience. 🙂 ☔
Yea totally hes so well informed that he said the 3700x is zen 3 when it actually is zen 2
@@randyrrs7028 some minor mistake or error doesn't prove anything.
I just bought one for around 80 bucks. Decent upgrade from the 2600X that was in that machine
I just upgraded my gpu from 2070 super to a 4070 super while running a r7 3700... it jumped my fps on helldivers2 from 60fps at low to medium settings to 80-100 on ultra.... also have 64gb of ddr4 3600. And a 850watt psu..if you want to budget and get by for a while running an older build with a 3700 than you definitely can just fine
Having this exact combination, means I have things to think about. Thanks.
For comparison...the "weak sauce" E cores on the 13900K perform on par with Zen2 cores. Oof.
13900k is an absolute beast of a CPU.
Really well explained, i have the 3700x and planning to upgrade to a 5800x3d for the super performance.
Atleast for another 5 years cz I don't bother with unoptimized lazy AAA PC ports.
Depending on your go to games there won't ever be a eol people still use 486 CPUs with 66mhz clocks so just the notion of eol is absurd
Good video as always. I'd like to share my experience in case it helps someone. I recently upgraded from a 3700x and a GTX 1080 with a Dell 27-inch QHD 60Hz monitor to a 5700x and a 6700xt with an LG 27-inch QHD 165Hz monitor (I didn't change my motherboard, it's an Asus Crosshair VI Hero x370). I'm a photographer and graphic designer, and I also mainly play Warzone 2.
There's a noticeable difference in the overall responsiveness of the operating system and programs. The most significant improvement I noticed was in FPS and their stability. Perhaps in design and photography programs, I feel the least change. Would I recommend the upgrade? Yes, definitely. At least until giving the components a few more years. Cheers!
Not planning on upgrading my 3700x for a year most probably 2, don't have many issues with new releases (so far) that are the fault of the CPU, just bad programming mainly. I game at 1440p paired with an RTX 3080.
I upgraded from a 3350g to a 3700x recently, I found a motherboard and cpu on fb marketplace for 100quid, the cheapest 5600 or 5700 I could find was 150 without motherboard so pulled the trigger on the 3700, I will probably buy am5 next so the 100 was a bargain and it is night and day compared to the 3350
im dumb but wouldn't it be better to go from a r7 3700x to a r5 7600x? i mainly game and sometimes stream, is the 7600x better than the 5700x?
Please answer as i am having a tough time wrapping my head around it.
That is why I have switched from 3700x to 5800x3d some months ago :)
I'm starting to build with R7 3700X now for low cost and get 8-cores 😊
My cousin is running a Fx8350 with a gtx750ti since 2014. I bought him today a pc with a 3700x and a gtx1080ti for 180€ / $200 , that setup will last him the next 5 years easily.
Im still satisfied using my Ryzen R5 3600. Still going strong. Luckily I've had now issues of it dying.
while going from 3700x to 5700x is a nice jump, i think going to 5800x3d instead is much better upgrade which will definitely make a noticeable difference and will serve as last hurrah for am4 platform very well, plus 5800x3d doesnt really care about your ram speed so if you have slow ram it wont matter with that combo.
If you have 5700x already i would advise skipping 5800x3d though. Wait few more years and upgrade whole platform there is a difference for sure but it wont make games from unplayable to fully playable, smooth.
@@rayquazahere8529 Yup. For me the 7700x is almost the same price so if i was to spend the money its better to just go AM5 now and drop in 9000 later
Super useful video, loved it. I also run R7 3700x but paired with RX6650XT and it eats whatever you throw at it. My limiting factor unfortunately is my MB AB350 that's why i moved from R3 3200 to R7 3700x coz now i max my MB capability and will save up for future big upgrade. Got the GPU for 300$ and CPU without packaging for 80$ (just for ref. RTX 4090 in my country goes for well over 2000$ and that's how much i paid for my car. Go figure :/ )
Unless you need to sell parts to upgrade, why not just keep them? Even when too slow to run new games, a 3700X will be fantastic as an office or lounge PC! I run a 2700X in the lounge with a 970 card and it's great. Typing on it now. Running through a 4K TV.
End of life? Lol that processor was still be banging out games for years to come. People are way too quick to try to buy new gear for no reason other than to keep up with the Joneses. Just like buying a new phone every year.
you cant even play high refreshrate in counter strike 2 with the 3700x anymore, i had to switch to a ryzen 5 5600 and its smooth now
i have a 3700x, here is my question.. is 3950X a great upgrade or I should go for the 5000 series?
3950X and 5700x is the same price in my area
what gpu you have? What resolusion you play, what games?
@@dexter9327 currently got 3060 12gb, i only play 1080p dual monitor
@@TheDonBryi went from a 3600x to a 5700x and noticed a nice uplift in fps even at 1440p. I think its a solid upgrade and its power efficient and runs cool. And for under $200, you cant go wrong with the 5700x
@@Bdot888 btw, is between 190 to 180usd price for 5700x a good one?
@@TheDonBry yes thats a great price!
Speaking of latency and how the system "feels", I wonder if you have a take on the Intel 12th gen latency issue TechYesCity recently covered in a video.
Yeah it would be interesting to hear what other tech tubers have to say about this
I only play Valorant, CSGO, Apex Legends and League of Legends.
I'm currently running Ryzen 7 3700x , RX 5700 XT with 2k res 144hz monitor and I'm planning to upgrade my video card to either RX 7800 xt, 4070 or 4070 TI. any recommendations would be appreciated.
love your talking vids like these the most. dont care for build videos anymore myself, seen 1000 PCs :P
I have a 1080p ultra-wide monitor (2560 x1080, 75hz).
Currently, i have the R7 3700x paired with the RTX 2060. I generally play single player games. I don't see myself going for a major upgrade for next 2 years or so.
But is upgrading to a RTX 4060 ti, a good option for 1080p ultra-wide gaming with high settings (Ray tracing, DLSS are amazing in games). Will my current 3700x bottleneck the 4060 Ti.
TBH, a combination of 3700x + 6700 xt, i.e. PC hardware equivalent to the PS5/ XSX, should be good throughout the lifetime of these consoles, albeit 1080p perhaps in later years. For now, it can run several "PS" ports like GoT, GoW, Uncharted, TLOU, HFW, Ratchet & Clank etc. at 1440p 60 fps. Especially the last one which spills over 8 GB VRAM at 1440p
The good thing is AM4 platform ...
It starts on Ryzen 1200 ang goes all the way through the 2000,3000,4000 and 5000x series ...
You gonna be a perfectly fine with 3700X for a few years and you can uppgrade on a cheap later on ...
3700X with 6750XT will give you the SAM 🙂
Would be great to see you talk about an high end i9-13900K build and what would make sense for that type of build, I am seeing a lot of other youtubers putting in some silly/cheap parts like the a low PSU for example just for benchmarks and not talking about what parts would make sense and why for that type of high end. (I am going back and watching old content to try and find somethings that will relate to this)
(if you see this thank you for the years of great info, you are the only youtuber who explains why instead of “just get this” and isn't afraid to tell people to spend a little bit more for the long run. )
0:07 I think it's zen 2 CPU not zen 3 CPU
I am rather curious to know what your thought is on the expiration date is o. the ryzen 5 5600x. How long do you think cpu will be one of the best current middleweight champions.
I recently went to my dads house that has my 5~ yr old PC with ryzen 1700 and gtx 1070 in it. the ryzen 1700 is 8 cores but the low IPC definitely did not hold up as well as the 1070 did, most games my GPU wasn't at 100% because of it.
Yup !
I made this same upgrade meself :)
Zen 2 was an odball design, If I had it to do over again I'd've opted for Zen Plus before moving to the 5700X...
Just bought a used 3700x for $100CAN and sold my 2700(non X) for $80CAN. A 5700x new is $225CAN+tax. I couldn't see the 5700x being worth another $165 vs the 3700x right now.
The Ryzen 9 5900X is a pretty nice compromise since it can run at 65W while holding a pretty solid base clock on 12 cores, but 16 cores still don't make much sense performance wise unless you need a high threat count, and anything above 65W has a pretty poor performance / watt ratio.
AMD 4 still is interesting even if bought new, but only if you target low to midrange applications, and the list of interesting CPUs is rather limited too: Ryzen 5 4500, 5 4600G, 5 5600, 5 5600G, 7 5700G, 7 5700X and possibly said Ryzen 9 5900X - and I would recommend the same as "Byte Size Tech" which is going Zen 3 with a 5700X. There are older and smaller versions, but the 4500 already is too cheap to actually consider those.
The higher end, meaing 5600X3D, 5800X3D, 5900X and 5950X, may be nice update options, but for a new performance focused PC going AM5 with a Ryzen 5 7600+ would likely make more sense.
I have the 3700X on an ASUS X570 Prime Pro mobo, ARC A770 LE 16GB playing on a 3840x1200 43.5" 144Hz ultra-wide monitor. I've been on the fence about whether or not to buy a 5700X/5800X3D. Though the 5600X3D look interesting but will be only available in select USA stores and not in Canada (yet).
i'm so glad we're finally pricing in pizzas; been waiting for this day like i wait for my pizzas
i have 3700x with 6800xt and i’m struggling rn was fine 3 years ago
the thing is... most new games really dont look that impressive, no noticable difference in graphics anymore while being horribly unoptimized, they're just rushed tools for money and making people think they need to buy $4000 nuclear powerplant eater computers...
ryzen 7 3700x and rx 6750xt runs any game that is developed with more than 5% thought into it at 1440p 90-144+ fps on ultra.. I don't see the need to upgrade for quite a while and I'm not throwing away a perfectly fine cpu. If anything, if you're looking for a new system, then you probably shouldn't buy a ryzen 7 3700x just because almost everything on the market will be a used 3700x, while you could spend slightly more or far less the price of a 3700x for a brand new better and recent cpu.
I just did this 3 days before this video was uploaded. 3700x 16gb ram to 5700x 32 gb ram
tech help sell a 3600xt
lol
you know i didn't want to admit you were right about the 8 cores , until i saw the 5800x on sale for $300 i bought , to replace the 3600xt ... boy what a change
7700 XT or 7800 XT for this CPU? I play on 1440p and want a GPU for the next 3-4 years, without changing the CPU in that period. I'm afraid the 7800 XT is a huge waist of money because of a potential bottleneck, especially when playing mainly RTS (but also CoD campaign every year and GTA 5 - rest is Age of Empires 2: Definitive Edition, StarCraft 2 and Frostpunk). 6000's series is no option in Switzerland, because 7000's series is already cheaper. I have a GTX 1070 running atm :)
i bought my prebuild a couple years ago and it has this R7 3700x with 32gb ram and its been serving me fine but ive been itching to upgrade for a while and deciding if i want to invest in a whole new build or just make a few improvements. The problem is that im still runing a GTX 1660 on a B550 board with a 500 Watt block. How good of an upgrade could i give it with those specs? Money isnt really much of an object when considering a new GPU or anything else really...i dont really have the building experience but i think i could manage at least a graphics card update on my own. But also wondering if i should just save a little more and buy a whole new build with at least a $3k budget.
I was looking to buy the 7900xt it's priced around $780 but i have seen it being sold cheaper. Today i saw a 7900xtx at $940.
What would be an approximate price where the 7900xtx becomes more attractive than the 7900xt.
It would be for your Ryzen 7 7700x build. I plan to do office work and play AAA games (Cyberpunk, starfield, Baldur's gate 3) on a 38" ultrawide monitor 3840x1600. so far they come with a refresh rate of 144hz. and hopefully an oled version is released before I'm ready to buy.
Thank you.
What about a usef 3900x at $150? Would you take that over the 5700x for 1440p gaming on a 75hz ultra wide?
Okay, well what about the FX 6300. That good for the next 5 years?
There's no definitive answer. I've read where people are still using Core 2 Duos and plan to extend their service for another 5-years, or more? There are multiple variables involved. The common enthusiast would say obviously not, but others would dispute that to the ends of the earth.
The next generation of consoles won't be out until 2028. I think you'll be ok until then. You might have to settle for less than 60 fps at times, but it isn't the end of the world.
My 4770k is sitting over there in the corner rolling its eyes and continuing to play games just fine.
Sense there are not many new Triple A games I want to play and most of them that I do play came out befoew 2020 Im good with my 3700x for 1440p gaming matched with my 6700xt.
There has only been one new game I got and that was FF7 remake.
well...
i have a B350 mobo and a 1st gen R5 1600 in it...
The R5 1600 it's okeyish but for real this PC needs a CPU upgrade in order to maintain relevance...
i'm in LatinAmerica so my income compared to PC parts isn't that good, so i expect to get the most performance for as much time as i can get, since it is also a bad country to sell used PC parts anyway.
i was about to purchase a R7 3700x as an upgrade to the CPU, but 3700x its more expensive here than a 5700x brand new from abroad... and by a lot (abou 1/3 more expensive) not to mention the "brand new" 5700x prize...
I was pretty happy with how close is the R7 3700x to the R7 5700x in terms of gaming performance... but Lucky for me a friend travelling to europe offered me to bring the CPU with him... so i purchased the R7 5700x which will be arriving to my hands in the next couple of weeks
i do hope the R7 5700x keeps relevant for the next 8 years, since it is a 2022 mainstream CPU, so i guess it could last 10 years since release date. Moreon since in my country we play games a couple of years older just for the costs
Zen 2 not 3
My be, for a few pizzas more, a Ryzen 5900x (the 5800x3d is a good gaming cpu, but it about a 20.00 difference for the 5900x).
I have an older game which crawls on my 3700x, at around 5 FPS after 1 hour of playing while the 5800X holds 60FPS. I feel like it's because of two things: poor optimization in the game as it's single threaded, and that infinity cache link internally.
Considering you can still game just fine on an 8 year old i7 4790k from 2015 I'm going to go out on a limb and say the 3700X will be fine for awhile.
Tech, the Zen2 CPU-s have 8-core CCX-es like Zen3, the 3700x should be 8 cores in a single complex.
You should double check that, because they don't... a 3700X is a pair of 4 core chips glued via IF.
@@ByteSizeTech sorry, I was wrong, had to refresh my knowledge and you are right. I confused the CCD and CCX, the 3700X does use two 4-core CCX on one CCD and those communicate through the infinity fabric. On a 3900x/3950x there are 2 CCD. The data fabric is used to communicate between the CCD and the IO die (CCIo or how it's called). Zen and Zen+ had a single CCX per CCD, and that's what I got confused about.
3700x and a 6700xt is a really spot on match.. it runns 1440p really good also.
You're not paying for 3 pizzas. You are paying to eat in a restaurant/tips for the delivery fast food. And he's talking about buying a 2nd hand 5700x. That means dealing with the nightmare that is the AM4 2nd hand market.
Most of these UA-camrs have never dealt with how bad the bent pin % chance situation is on 2nd hand AM4 chips.
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Heck, when I am currently running 3 8350's and an 1100T, and I am very happy. Why is that? Maybe you can keep them going just fine (even with AAA titles.) Yeah, you have a way of saying money is no object, but why get rid of something when you have equipment that works fine? Uh, I find it a bit difficult to believe you.
how long can it satisfy all other stuff like photoshop, video encoding, etc??
Smh I regret getting intel platform over and when I got my first gaming pc back in 2018, looking at ppl upgrade several cpus in same am4 platform.
I need new pc and it has to be am5 not intel cpus
I just need to last 3-4 more years on my 5700x and rtx 2070 on my x370 motherboard. So probably next upgrade is gpu. Then update motherboard finally and cpu again a year or so later
lol detail setting have nothing to do with CPU performance, lowering details is to remove GPU bottleneck, there are some settings than can help with CPU performance but very few, that's why the CPU is more important than the GPU in a long time build, you will change the GPU a few times anyway but if you get a good CPU it will last you years and many GPU upgrades, still using a 9900k and no plans to upgrade till Lunar lake.