2004 Honda Accord Vs. 2002 Dodge Ram 1500 Offset Crash Test (50% Overlap)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Going back and cleaning up some older footage with detailed photographs. Skip to 5:28 for just the Pre & Post Test photos.
A 50% overlap offset test performed at 60 Mph (100 Km/h)
Ram Driver-Passenger
HIC 258-127
Chest G's 20-26
Femur Loads N(L/R) 1579/703-2107/1209
For an unknown reason, the Ram's airbags did not deploy.
Accord Driver-Passenger
HIC 357-133
Chest G's 36-38
Femur Loads N(L/R) 2763/2418-3794/2329
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There are no "effects" or "filters" on this video. I've edited the footage to reduce shake and stuttering from the original 16mm film provided by NHTSA.
Certain testing facilities used 16mm film up into the mid-2000's and I have no control over this.
Definitely understand you're not in control over the film stock they used, and I appreciate you taking the time to comb through their archives and upload footage. I would like to know from someone at NHTSA why they used 16mm film for so long, though.
They used 16mm film into the mid 2000’s? Why? And why the matchup of a 2002 dodge and 2004 Honda?
Keep in mind that they're filming this at 1000 FPS. The amount of data generated by a high resolution, uncompressed video feed at 1000 fps is absolutely massive. Back then we had spinning hard drives. Even an array of 10,000 rpm drives in RAID could likely not keep up with that. They'd need a machine specially designed for this application and I guarantee it wouldn't be cheap. Film is a simple, effective solution. It probably didn't make much sense to switch to digital when this was filmed.
Joe gac, I suppose I’m too young to understand film very well
I definitely understand why digital video wasn't an option. I've just noticed that tests filmed by IIHS in the same time period are much higher quality. My question isn't so much film vs. DV but 16 mm film vs a higher quality film.
It’s a 2004 Accord and 2002 Ram. And a camera from the 1980s
thats government efficency
Not even 1980's this is like 1950's technology.
hahaha
I know right
It did is job though 😒😒😒😒
Damn, the Honda did extremely well for having a full sized pick up truck rammed into it at 100km/h. The A pillar held up surprisingly well. Passenger intrusion isn’t that bad either. Also note the Ram’s airbags failed to deploy, they were not disabled.
Bud It didn't get to the airbag switch
@@codycannon1939 Theres not a switch. It has like an accellorometer that can tell when the car stops suddenly, like your phone knows when you flip it.
@@jz4853 The older Ram does have an airbag
7th gen accord (this one in the video) for a year or so in its production had an airbag recall. not sure if it was before or after this test, but still. the fact that the A pillar held up good with that impact is highly impressive.
This accident could've been avoided if everyone involved in it weren't dummies!
king of the dad jokes everybody. Nothing important here, move along!
or if they just weren't driving a RAM
Good one
@@slapshotjack9806 hey he could not dodge it so he rammed it
Omg this reply section 🤣🤣🤣
According to the dummy's driving these cars, the truck rammed it because it couldnt dodge it. Dunno if combining all of them is funny or not lol.
Well I guess the name "Ram" is rather appropiate in this case. It did just that.
Well said! Lol
Well, if you can't *dodge* it...
@@OnlyNotes Bah boom 👍
As was said in the movie "Babe the Pig," BaaaaaaaRammmYouuu!
Ram bam thank you ma'am
I'd say that Accord held up very well The truck was much heavier. The accord didn't crush up into the passenger cabin
The interior cabin was crushed in the accord,watch at 4:54...dash is pushed in,windshield crushed,driver pushed half out the drivers window,pitiful !
01trsmar a windshield crushing happens in basically every car crash known to man
01trsmar and as long as the drive doesn’t get completely ejected and flies out of the car they wouldn’t be dead
@@01trsmar For the time, that was acceptable. Remember these cars were released in 2003, and probably designed after 1998. Very common back then. If you look at GM or Ford designs back then, a lot of A pillars popped up where the Honda one stays put.
@@01trsmar yeah no kidding
Ram be like " I don't need airbags it's just a scratch. Pick that Honda out of my grill so I can keep going. "
Except the fact those in the Ram might not be able to walk out of the car due to their injuries, whereas the Accord passengers might be okay.
the guy in the ram would smash his head into the steering wheel lol I would prefer the airbag thx (also imagine being in that ram and hitting a tree/truck/wall or getting t-boned damn)
That truck is definitely totaled due to a bent frame
Curious no bag deployment?
Try having a 3 inch circle of steel at the end of your steering column that would cave your chest in, no airbags and seatbelts that would snap in 40mph crash😂 fun fact, last year I got in a crash cause some douchebag in an impala cut in front of me by 1 or 2 feet and brake checked me when it was pouring rain and I caved in and tore up his entire rear end(hehe) and shattered his rear window and all I had damage wise was a sore neck and had to buy new a grille and head lamp assembly cause it cracked. Rams are tough as fuck especially the 1st gens, fuckers are solid steel and everything is very tight and solid
So the occupants in the Honda Accord were safe until that Takada air grenade blew up.
2001-2002 was the time frame of the A1 inflators. That's a 2004 Accord.
Kinda ironic that the thing that saves you in a crash could end up killing you.
@@midwestfarm757 I had a Takada I.E.D recall for my 2006 Subaru WRX, same recall for my wife's 2008 VW Golf R-32?
@@Nik.Coffman They are replacing all of them to be safe, but the A1 inflator is the one that has a 50/50 chance of blowing up. That's why there's a door to door campaign to find all 2001 2002 civics/Accords and get them repaired.
@@midwestfarm757 Oh I see. Thanks for the info man
Cars from the 2000’s, Camera from the 70’s
I thought the same thing
Video starts at 1:45
Thanks.
I hope NHTSA pulled the airbag module from the Ram to determine why the airbags didn’t deploy. There was certainly adequate force for them, given the dummy’s head hit the steering wheel.
It's scary to think about because 7 of my family members have this same generation of ram
Probably the accelerometer or the RCM didnt detect that it had a sudden stop sufficient enough to deploy the airbags or because Chrysler jeep dodge ram make cheaply made cars
It did deploy; you’re just blind.
@@robertbennett2796 .They are not cheaply made cars...truck is old and who knows what the previous owners did to it...Accord of that year are cheap,the transmissions fail from brand new and waterpump housings crack when they were new !
@@miniena7774 the rams airbags didnt deploy dumbass
I love how the dummy in the Ram is wearing a wife-beater. Guess they were going for ultimate realism?
"Nooooo, you can't just hit my car and keep on driving like nothing happened" "Haha ram go brrrrrrr"
Not gonna lie, the Honda faired pretty well. Minimal roof bending at 60 mph, at that speed I’m not surprised it bent. But the impact didn’t look too painful for both occupants of the vehicle. The dodge ate it as expected, with the lack of airbag deployment im sure the occupants are feeling it
30mph
These Accords are safe cars.
Nope
@@victorestrada9060 For their day and when equipped with side curtain airbags, yes they were safe cars. Built years before small overlap tests.
Not safe, but junk
Victor estrada For the day they are safe, and they are far from junk. Some of the most reliable cars you can buy.
@Wolf Among Sheep Sorry but Ford isn't junk, Chevy is. Also, Chrysper is owned by Fiat just so you know.
Many thanks to the Zapruder family for loaning out their cameras for this video.
🤣
Haha, Good one
How many of this generation of accord did they use? Next week on kill the accord is accord vs Ford ecoline. However the accord for the fact that this ram punched the accord in the face and sent it flying in the dirt hill, it did pretty well.
I have damn near the same everything Accord (minor cosmetic differences) and after watching this video, I feel even safer and more confident driving such a vehicle! The Ram, however....sup with the airbag; where’s it when you need it? Kinda scary truth be told.
Ifs good for 2004 even though it’s like there 43 time testing it
@@mpaulk2023..Well you're near dead in a crash in the Accord,look how smashed the Accord is...plus your arm will be hanging out after that and probably need to be amputated ! Interior of the Accord is crushed !
01trsmar that’s really an overstatement every car that gets in a crash like this would be smashed it’s called a CRUMPLE ZONE. I honestly think the driver in the ram would be dead because the air bag didn’t deploy
01trsmar also just because an arm hangs out the window of a crash doesn’t mean it has to be amputated or even broken
I am really surprised about the Honda! There was enough survival space left for the front passengers. I would have thought the truck would just smash through the windshield and destroy everything on its way to the B-pillar.
Craigslist ad:
Honda accord runs and drives great!
Slight drivers side damage. 😂
This just goes to show how safe cars have come. Of course Accord crumpled a lot more than the RAM, but Accord interior hold up very well. Crumple zone did it's job well.
However more speed and Accord can't repeal laws of physics. Too much is too much.
@HexagramMan Nice asshole smartass reply on someone just giving their 2 cents. And people wonder why UA-cam sucks fucking ass these days.
Most ironic thing is everyone saying the truck was better. The driver of the truck probably died or had a major concussion, both truck occupants probably had broken legs. Meanwhile in the Honda, they most likely survived, driver with a broken leg. I'm an EMT and I've seen way too many crashes with older trucks especially where the occupants were dead or seriously hurt, but the people in the car walked away.
Forces on the dummies in the truck were lower than the forces on the dummies in the Honda, but only slightly. Everybody would have walked away. Limits for serious injury are 1,000 HIC and 60 G's on the chest. The HICs were all below 400 and chest G's below 40, forces on the legs of all occupants were low as well.
October 18, 2021 10:13 pm
Dam they must really get a head start on these tests. Cars for 02' but tests filmed in 85'
Why didn't the RAM's airbags deploy? The passenger looked safe though thanks to the sear belt.
Very impressed with the accord. Even though it's old it's safety standard is good till date. Shows how much r&d honda spends on their models
Notice how the ram is tipping over a bit, but the honda accord isn't. This is because suvs and trucks, Have a high center of gravity, meanwhile sedans don't. So I recommend you buy a sedan and not a suv or a truck. High center of gravity applies with minivans too because they are like suvs but with sliding doors. Crossovers, Station wagons are included with a high center of gravity also.
Looked like the key in the Ram was in the “off” position could explain the airbags not deploying upon impact but it’s kind of difficult to see. Realistically everyone would’ve survived, driver of the Honda likely would’ve suffered an injury to the left knee and one would only hope that the airbags in the Ram would’ve deployed had this been a real life scenario...
Knee injuries suck
Umm.. I mean, the Accord held up well, but if you're traveling in one direction and you get hit with enough force to change to negative G's instantly, it's not going to be a good time. The smart cars were known as coffin boxes for a reason. They preserve your body after the immediate negative G.
@@rustbeltrobclassic2512 What do you think should have happened when a ~5000 pound truck traveling at high speeds crashes into a stationary ~3000 pound car that isn't secured? The scenario could have been reversed and the truck would have went flying backwards too, just not as much because of the weight difference.
@@averyalexander2303 That was my point..
5:11 🤌🏻😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Glad I kept my Accord. Older gen but still a very reliable car.
2005 accord owner here. 201,800 miles today and still going strong.
It's interesting to observe how the pick-up's frame rode up slightly on the car, sending the pick-up's bumper in just over the front wheel of the car. It is a similar phenomenon with trucks, and the reason why front under-run protection has been mandated in many countries. The car stood up to the crash well, but I still wouldn't have liked to be in it at the time.
I drive an 05 Accord, this video makes me feel safe
@Squeek Tate I wouldn't disagree, makes life interesting sometimes not in the best ways though
For the time period, that Accord is one hell of a safe car!
No airbags went off in the ram. I hope that they just pulled the fuse.
Because I have a ram like that
I got a feeling I‘ll see your RAM on craigslist soon
I love small cars, but these videos are why I now feel paranoid in my Civic. Even though half of all traffic deaths are from occupants not wearing their seat belts, and and a similar percentage are single car collisions, if a bigger vehicle veers into my lane I'm dead.
Not exactly. Your car will look worse, but you will be better. That's what the crumple zones are for. It absorbs the impact. I'd rather be in that Civic than my 97 Grand Cherokee in a crash.
i drive a 01 civic 5speed and i feel safe in it. most of the cars ive owned are hondas. so far been driving for 13years with no accidents.
Those are great cars. Thumbs the hell up for 13+ years with no accidents! Stay good man.
Sold my civic on the same thought
Alternate title: Little Honda gets SMOKED by a big truck, sent flying into a pile of dirt and its occupants are still more safe than in the truck.
Can't expect a Chrysler product to work right, hence the no airbag deployment.
I like that they shined the Accord's tires. Very important! lol
The Accord did phenomenally well! Wow! Side curtain airbags in 2004?! Very impressive!
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My 17 year old son drives a Ram 1500 and sent this video to me. Now I'm glad he's driving a Ram and not an Accord!
Yummy concussions. You know the energy from the crash has to go somewhere, correct? The accord did its job of absorbing the energy from the impact and if there was a driver in the ram their body would bear the force of the impact
@@calvinhilsinger It didn’t get to airbag switch, the Ram just got bumper damage
Dammm! The Dodge gonna need a new bumper!!
Why didn’t the airbags deploy on the dodge? That’s pretty crazy. I guess I wouldn’t want to crash one of those trucks.
Next test: military bulletproof H1 vs yamaha r1
Seventh gen for the win
The Honda: ouch I’m dead
The Ram: put a new fender and headlight and bumper, radiator, grille and tire and I’m mint..
Screw those repairs I’m using that truck to go to Hawaii.
@@accountnotusedanymore9119 lmao
in 2004 they had curtain airbags and thats very uneven because the accord wasent moving if it was it would have been a diffrant outcome
Yeah, different outcome. From what I see it would just smash under the truck and rip off the A pillar along with the occupants heads.
And this is why we have thick A-Pillars that people complain about. This little Accord did pretty well considering 6k of steel just smashed into it!
If it was actually moving, it would be a way different story
@@gabesmath105 true, but I was talking about the current circumstances in the current video
if the H0nda had been moving forward at 30mph that truck would have gone to the Honda back seat.
The truck is fine too, new radiator support and rad and shes on the road.
Now I understand why most drunk drivers drive a pickup truck
Best comment on all of UA-cam
Yeah,becease its safe car:)
More like that's the vehicle that lasts longest in a drunk's hands.
You can't just conjure another compact after you total it on your concrete porch. You can however just get more concrete after you break your concrete porch on your truck's frame again.
Ram probably just needs alignment 😁😁.
wish they had videos of the coupe on youtube. that is a pretty good result for such an old car. glad those side airbags deployed.
fantastic to see these recordings from the 1960ties....
That Dodge Ram was barely damaged
Damn, I sure miss my ol' 7th gen Accord. Most dependable car I've ever owned. And for colliding with a truck, it held up surprisingly well.
Dodge said I can do it again.
How come it's always a newer import vs older domestic?
Emilthehun cheap domestics to smash up the import
@@Lubbocksfinest I am not entirely sure how would that be a proper comparison being that safety regulations get changed year after year.
Probably because there are more older domestics on the road than old imports. Detroit Iron was made to last.
That Accord is the same from 2003 - 2007 and the Ram goes 2002 - 2009, They're perfectly even in my opinion.
@John Davis "more older domestics than old imports. Detroit iron was made to last." If you're saying older imports weren't made to last you're waaaaay off.
@@Lubbocksfinest ua-cam.com/video/DERBxX9-hxM/v-deo.html
I want to see a crash test video of a Mustang against a Camaro
Its like they filmed this in 1968
Someone knows,where is it ,the accord, i need some parts😁😁
That’s why it’s called a Dodge Ram
I had a head on collision with a fire engine in my ram. I had fender and hood damage. He had his bumper shoved into his motor
Cuz you weren't going 60
I got my wife a 2018 Accord.I couldn't have a Civic or Corolla sized vehicle...
Most sold large SUV vs most sold car, would be nice to really see how that held up.
*Slaps roof of Honda*
This bad boy can ram so many Dodge
This test was unrealistic because airbags in all vehicles have been mandatory since the 90s. The airbags in that dodge were shut off
the old guy in the truck said hey ma did we hit something? ma said no keep going to the store we need some rice
Oh that will buff right out... My dad has this ultimate set of tools.
You can't fix that car Spicoli!!
People on ‘ludes should not drive.
A Dodge says can we go by the gas station on the way home the crash test dummy in the Honda is flipping everybody off did you see that
1:49 and that kids is how I met your mother
Honda - 5*, Dodge - 3*.... Weight rulezzz
Не бита, не крашена. Пробег не скручен.
Funny the clock spring works fine when I turned the steering column on my 1999 dodge while replacing the bushing. Air bag worked great.
This video looks like it was recorded in 1977
They use 16mm film for a cradh test in the early 2000s, what? Its look like 1970s
I drive a 2008 Dodge Ram 1500, this is good to know XD
And that’s why I will always claim a truck is more then double as safe as a car. It’s plain and simple a truck has way more mass then a car
m.ua-cam.com/video/noor55yGWHc/v-deo.html
m.ua-cam.com/video/LYN_0HxguyQ/v-deo.html
So much for that idea, hahaha 😂
The driver of the Dodge Ram must be from South Florida. I bet they didn't have insurance.
Dam I drive a ram in south Fl I have insurance.... That hurts. Ok im rare most ppl here dont have it not so butt hurt.
I'm impressed with how well the Honda held up. 65 MPH hit from a pickup and only a small amount of deformation in the safety cell? There are much newer and/or larger cars that would have performed far worse.
scottthewaterwarrior
This generation accord was very well built. The generation after seemed like a downgrade.
@@Pube83 what? The 8th gen accord was the best accord
If the accord was actually moving in this video, it would be a different story. Would be nothing to praise.
@@gabesmath105 A head on with two vehicles both traveling 65 MPH isn't going to end will for just about any vehicle.
@@scottthewaterwarrior except volvo/saab/bmw
Why is it recorded on old timey film that has to be hand cranked.
Would the Accord occupants survived?
Yes. 250 hic is when concussions happen 1000 hic and more is when death can happen. The drive had a 350 and the passenger had a 130. The driver would probably have a concussion but both would have lived.
@@unluckyabsol ..Severely injured and never the same !
01trsmar Ram driver dead because the airbags didn’t deploy
@@01trsmar the accord weighs about 2000 pounds less than the ram(estimated) and was going 60 miles an hour while the accord was at a stop. I would have much preferred to be in the accord In this crash. The rams airbags deployed and the drivers head slammed into the steering wheel. While the accord driver may have sustained a concussion, it could have gone much worse. If this was In an older car would probably kill the driver.
They wouldn't survive if the accord was moving not sitting still
you can buy the crash test cars/trucks etc for parts as well.
The moment someone buys a truck in the community, everyone has to.
I don't know how this was a recommendation. It's good to know I wouldn't have killed my mother if after she provoked me enough to hit her..... In 2006 I had an 04 Ram and she had a 04 Accord.
For everyone saying the Honda was safe, it wasn’t. The A pillar isn’t supposed to fucking BEND.
Next fun test will be a 2004 dodge ram truck head on doing 55 with a train doing 55. Do you think the truck would look like the car in this video after the results? That would be some serious butting for the ram and a great test to see who will end up in the dirt. Charles Taylor out.
There wouldn't be a truck after that😂I think most trains are millions and millions of pounds vs the 6000 a dodge weighs... Would be fun to watch tho 😜
Steve and George in the Honda
Good video that truck held up better than I thought it would I'd figured it would have ripped the whole underneath out of it
I did crash in one 2005 accord same like video and I can say I'm alive by security it has!
How fast? What was the other car you hit?
@@gabesmath105 like 60mph and i crashed my car from the front with a rear part of a big truck, i broke my chest bones my right arm and I got a sprain on my right foot, 3 months in bed total loss of my car the best I’m here!
Thats not an 02 dodge. That body style was 03-05. They updated the headlights in 06
2002 was the first year for that design.
@@CarPro1993 Just did a little research. News to me. I guess Dodge did the same with their 1500s that GM did. Released the halfton new bodystyle before the 2500 and 3500 models. I'm only familiar with the HD pickups. Ya learn something every day
Why does it look like it’s from the 1960s?
It doesn’t it looks like the 2000 or 1999
I love how the dodge airbags didn't deploy even as it went nearly careening through the air
I expected more damage on the car.
The car was parked. Different story if it were to be moving.
Why didn't the airbags go off in the Dodge?
These cameras seem older than early 2000s I’m surprised I don’t hear piano music
Thinking about change accord over my volvo v70.
Well volvo is heavier and it is more solid indeed, but honda doing well for that old car.
The Ram is the best ! I want one !
I already have one and Im getting one more I wants two now
buy a 2500 Cummins, it's even stronger than the 1500
@@watferfoot1467 yeah but I gotta get a old used one
Yes, the olds are the best with Bosch mechanical injection pumps
I have the exact same model of truck used in this video (2002 dodge ram 1500) and I have to say, Ive never had more problems with a single vehicle, however all the problems were relatively easy to fix.
Damage was so little to the ram the airbags didn’t even go off
А где показания датчиков манекен?
The beginning of this video is terrifying
Why? That doesn't make sense. I honestly hate the load of still photos before the crash.
03:50 The airbags did not budge in the Ram...
These are the kind of tests that should be performed not the one's they perform now which are pretty pointless
Wow-cars hardly changed since the 60’s.
I thought Offset had crashed a Challenger not an accord