I love that you put Knight up so high. It's the definition of "It just works". A lot of damage, a lot of defense, and the ability to support the entire party. There's no reality where it ISN'T a godlike class
It has some nice abilities for sure, particularly double grip and equip shields. The former is a poor man’s dual wield, and the latter is something you can throw onto a magic job with a self-sufficient spell list like a white mage. I did a wind crystal only run, and the one thing I regretted most out of how I played was not experimenting with the knight more
Berserker on SNES was broken, if you gave him thorn helm and Gaia hammer, his magic will go all the way back to 255 since snes can’t do negatives, you give him Gaia hammer and hope for the best, I suggest you try it it’s fun
I think this is really well done. Here are my thoughts few of the classes to either add to what you said or mention an alternative take. I'll list them in alphabetical order as well. Beastmaster - I think it should be higher since it can break the game with a spreadsheet but definitely belongs down there with berserker and geomancer in terms enjoyability. Blue Mage - Feels a bit weird in terms of placing, I feel like it should be higher than Black Mage with all its amazing utility but at the same time I do agree that Black Mage's pure rod boosted damage is just better in some of the tougher fights. Personally I would rather have a Blue Mage over a Black Mage since it can act as a band-aid onto any team. Dancer and Dragoon - I would probably just swap these two around. I have never found a good use for Dragoons in this game and none of their abilities are worth passing on. Jump is horrible in this game where you want to finish fights quickly and lancet is useless with its damage output. Dragoons also don't have access to swords, only Ricard and Kain can do that. Dancer on the other hand get access to a ribbon at Karnak and passing equip ribbon can often be the best ability to give to classes that are already great on their own. All that to say though, I think Dragoon should just really be dragged down to C tier with Dancer. Freelancer - I tried the unemployment run after seeing some of your stream. The equip anything ability is absolutely broken even without abilities and stats. I didn't struggle in the run until I got to Exdeath. Geomancer - There might need to be a tier between Beastmaster and Berserker. Geomancer is horrible, at least the Beastmaster can consistently paralyze with whips but Geomancer really doesn't have anything going for it. Monk - The problem with trying to argue that Monks need lots of experience to start dealing more damage after world 1 is that levels matter in every damage formula in this game so a level 70 monk will still be lagging behind any other high leveled party. The high stamina might be the only thing going for it since you now have a meatier version of whatever other class you rolled. Mystic Knight - Fun fact, these guys are tied for having the second highest agility along with Ninjas. You should be giving these guys knives for DPS not swords. Flare spellblade is also amazing against enemies with no elemental weakness as it ignores 75% of the target's defense stat. While the Black Mage is better off casting rod boosted -ga spells over flare, Mystic Knights should always go for Flare spellblade when dealing neutral damage. Ninja - Should not even be considered for A tier, solid S tier. There is never any point in the game where Ninja is not beneficial and even low level ninjas should still be dealing 6k+ with fuma shurikens against Neo-Exdeath. Ranger - The killer bow as an 8% chance of instantly killing an enemy and it can proc off rapid fire. It's also not considered the death spell so it will kill undead enemies and enemies immune to death. I think heavy enemies are the only ones that are immune to the killer bow. Also aim doesn't work when you are blinded, so it can't actually help you there. Rapid fire also halves the damage with each hit so you are effectively always dealing 2x the damage but it also ignores evasion and defense so it tends to do a bit more than that, can also be combined with spellblade and turns off the chicken knife's weakness. Summoner - Yes you can dual cast summoning magic. Thief - You can steal Twin Lances from Objet d'Art. This is pretty good damage for most of world 2, should be swinging for around 1000 damage with your standard attack command. White Mage - Easily could have moved up a tier if it could multicast protect and shell.
i had so much fun with the Geomancer's Gaia in the midgame personally i had both my mages get Gaia early on so that they could focus on leveling black and white magic while having a decent alternative to deal damage without consuming MP also, Desert Storm/Quicksand/Whirlpool/Bottomless Bog/Sonic Boom/Earthquake/Twister/Wind Slash/Cave-in/Stalactite worked suprisingly well throughout my adventure.
Maxing out Mystic Knight, Ranger, and Ninja gives you access to INSANE damage on a single target. I'd say those three should be A tier at a minimum as they are all still pretty good by themselves.
I recall killing many late game bosses with this combination. Probably not optimal, but boy was it overkill. In conclusion, many of the jobs were not meant to be played in isolation.
Flare enchanted weapons, dual wielding, rapid fire = dead everything. Drain enchanted weapons, dual wielding, rapid fire = dead everything by trolling.
One thing you forgot to mention that the berserker can do that admittedly has no use in a Four Job Fiesta is it's ability to hold up all the other classes in an upside down pyramid like that. That's like two dozen people. Berserkers would make incredible cheerleaders.
how you can put Mimic, as a C-Tier is beyond me. Its beyond even S-Tier in power due to its sheer versatility. I used 4 mimics literally lets you use any abilities, even double casting spells without any cost and that makes them beyond OP. They may not be the strongest, but being able to mimic any ability free of cost, makes them the most powerful class out there.
This is a four job fiesta tier list. Mime on its own is borderline useless without abilities from other jobs. It also has freelancer stats without freelancer equipment.
@@deedoubs I mean, even in the four job fiesta mimic is still incredibly useful. The only time it wouldn't be if you got an entirely physical load-out with Berserker
Why would you want to finish the game without maxing out most of your jobs? Maxing them out gives you specific skill benefits and passive abilities. So complaining about maxing out jobs, is not a relevant point. That should already be your goal in the game before proceeding to the end.
Blue Mage doesn't belong in A-Tier. It belongs in a tier on its own, above S-Tier, due to "Death By Math" alone. But here are some other reasons as well. 1. Shields. Since it can use Shields, it can use the Aegis Shield with no issue. That speaks alot towards its survivability. 2. Armor/Helms. Medium Armor may not protect as well as Heavy Armor, but there are still a fair number of Medium Armors and Helms out there that knock it out the park, such as the Bone Mail up on Drakenvale, or the Gold Hairpin in Barrier Tower. 3. Weapons. The Enhancer Blade is fantastic on any magic user that can use it. And that's before mentioning it can break Rods. 4. The !Scan Command. Often overlooked, !Scan does double duty by not only revealing an enemy's weaknesses (among many other things), but also its current level, which is crucial to the class's inherent "Death By Math" strategy. ...And all of this comes standard, before considering what Blue Magic can do. Considering that it's fully possible to solo the whole game with just a Blue Mage, and nothing else, there's really no reason why this class doesn't belong in a tier of its own, IMO.
For what it's worth, in most versions of the game (not sure about PR, haven't tried it) the Time Mage can defeat (hell, *solo*) both Shinryu and Omega using the Bio rod and Quick; use Quick, snap the Bio Rod, then wait it out. It'll take 15-20 minutes, but for the entirety of the time the HP leak ticks away, eventually killing any enemy in the game. It's pretty damn cheezy, but it works.
this is the only list I've seen to recognize bard as a good class. Every other tier list I've seen has it in D or F. C at the highest. But bard and dancer are two of my favorites in this game.
I just disagree with mimic, as mimic inherit stats like freelancer, so if you roll it with magic classes they serve as a second mage just as good as a black mage
Berserker also improved in pixel remaster as atb doesn't completely reset to 0 for going into berserk status, and 7:48 cover with berserk for monk's innate counter for synergy. Dragoon is useless lol 16:41 wears heavy armor (many classes do) and useless HP/MP drain which is weaker for its low growth (let alone mix is better), and jump isn't anywhere near as useful as final fantasy tactics to dodge magic, ranged spear to dodge hamedo of a sword, and can jump obstacles even without ignore elevation. Chemist mix fully heals hp, mp and can revive with Phoenix down and potion. Mime's extra slot has it replace item, which is far better. Mime should be S tier. You can also dual wield rods for stronger magic (two handed knight sucks let alone isn't passive). Samurai can't use spellblade given katanas, which sucks, though spellblade is primarily used with break (or non-elemental flare and rapidfire for high success even one shots upper middle of neo exdeath and I believe behemoths that zeninage will get you party wiped by comet/meteor counter) or else you risk healing enemies.
@@rakino4418that's one of the Fiesta rulesets. The more common set is "you have to have at least one of these jobs at all times", so you can swap jobs around and get the other jobs mastered. Mimes are amazing in Career Day (the FFV randomizer) due to their casting flexibility
The one thing about berserker (that doesn't work for four job fiesta, obviously) is that equip axes can be awesome on spellcasters, especially summoner. Gaia hammer (if you can actually get it), and thor's hammer can be used from the back row, and gaia hammer makes titan stronger. Geomancer's gaia ability is also prety decent on white mage, to use their magic stat to deal damage when they're not healing. Neat things they can do, but just not on their original classes.
Don't forget that with a certain character's base Magic stat (like Butz), and the right equipment (like Giant's Gloves and/or Thornlet), you can set Berserker's magic stat so low you can underflow their Magic stat to become their highest stat. Though I'm not sure if I can confirm this can work on later games. (I only play on the SNES.) Because of that underflow, they _can_ be effective users of Gaia Hammer.
Beastmaster should be higher. Their control ability is brokenly good in many fights. Completely takes the enemy's ability to act away along with being able to select their actions. Many harder enemies like dragons can be controlled and then made to kill themselves. As long as you use magical abilities to damage them, the control will remain intact. Extremely useful job when doing solo Bartz runs.
It checks out. Dancer is underrated because in the midgame it gives you MP sustain. Just set white magic and you have a healer that never runs out of mp and can do great damage every once in a while. Just sucks against undead
On my most recent playthrough of FFV, I was able to kind of circumvent the MP problem, at least a little bit, with the summoner by equipping them with the dancing dagger. 1 in 5 chance, but if you get the Mystery Waltz, that's an easy 100 or so MP back.
You can further circumvent this problem by mixing an Ether and Hi Potion (Balm of Gilead =full MP) OR use the blue mages transfusion or the summoners Phoenix
Shurikens themselves fall off quickly, but the upgraded versions are pretty good. They’re either called Fuma Shurikens, Pinwheels, or MagiShurikens depending on the version. The scrolls are also decent, iirc they basically do the same damage as 2nd level elemental spells. You won’t be using any of them late game, but throughout the mid game they’re excellent.
Some comments In general I think it's worth it to look at two specific roadblocks in the game, anyone that can easily get by one of them without power leveling gets a boost. Those two are World 2 castle Exdeath, and Almagest from NED. White Mage has the highest damage output of any magic user once you get Holy, also they have access to Shell, which means you can survive Almagest early. They might deserve to get a bump. on the other hand, if you have to do much of world 1 with only white mages that can be miserable. They can also break light staves vs Castle Exdeath to help out there. Summoner probably deserves a bump because they trivialize Castle Exdeath. also, since almost any job can equip knives, it's a great job to boost weaker jobs. If you give a beastmaster an air knife and !Summon then they'll be a lot better than if you gave them !Black, since they can't equip rods. Same goes for geomancer, thief, and other lower-tier jobs. Dragoon is probably overrated. They have the armor to be a tank but if you spend time jumping then they're not tanking since the enemies will target your squishier characters instead. If you aren't jumping then it's just a very mediocre melee character. there is no fight in the game where your first choice of job to prepare is Dragoon. Ninja has even more tricks than you gave them credit for. In particular, if you have a mage then giving the ninja a magic command will boost their magic stat to the point where their scrolls become viable all the way to the end of world 3, and they trivialize everything before then. even better is to give !Throw to a mage who can use a fire or thunder rod to boost it's damage output. Even if it wasn't for that, !Throw has the advantage that you can give everyone in your party !Throw and chuck pinwheels at the Almagest part of NED and kill it before it can fire. I think it is the strongest job in the game. Thief is overrated. there isn't enough equipment for them to steal for other characters and the things they do steal isn't enough of a significant upgrade to make it worth it. Their stealing niche is also eliminated in world 3 where everyone can get access to thief knife if they want to do the high-profile steals there. Their speed unfortunately doesn't factor into the damage calculation of the daggers they use except for the Chicken Knife. (this may be different in Pixel Remaster) I'd put them all the way down with Beastmaster and Geomancer since they tend to just do the same weak knife-attacks or hope some other job can give them a better command. Mystic Knight is weird, on one hand, they have the easiest kill possible on the almagest-part of NED, but on the other hand they really struggle in fights where you can't make use of elemental weaknesses. So seal guardians and Castle Exdeath are nasty roadblocks for them
Exdeath in the castle is actually super easy, barely an inconvenience. Any kind of reflect and he just can't so anything. Even a pure physical team can just farm reflect rings in barrier tower and he's helpless. He does so little damage when he can't use magic that even items can get healing done
To me, the main strength of the Thief is that they can see hidden passages. But of course, the usefulness of that ability boils down to whether or not the player already knows where all the secrets are located. Making them much more useful to beginners than they are for veterans.
@@witecatj6007 He was trying to fill in the holes so the sand worm couldn't keep moving around. But every time he tried, he got blasted in the face by magic.
You're misremembering on Red Mages, they cannot equip shields. I wish they could, and also remembered them as being able to, but I've got a playthrough going now and relearnt that they cannot :(
I mostly agree with this. I think you might slightly overvalue Knight and Thief and slightly undervalue Ranger but yeah. Pretty much this. One thing I would say is both Freelancer and Mime are jobs that I thought were inherently nerfed by a fiesta rule set (with vanilla rules, Freelancer and Mine basically serve the same roll as overpowered steam roller with Freelancer being better at the martial side and Mime being better at the magic side) but I think you may have been a voice of reason for Freelancer for me. Oh and the Romeo's Ballad thing with Omega... The old steam/mobile version of FF5 should be the same as the Pixel Remaster. Theoretically it's still possible to cheese the fight with Romeo's Ballad, but the key difference is in the SNES, PS1, and GBA versions the ATB resets when stop wears off and in mobile and PR, it picks up where it left off so it's virtually impossible to stop omega from ever getting a turn but it will definitely slow him down greatly if timed well.
I'm not coming from a Four Job Fiesta perspective, but one of my favorite things about this game is that almost every job has some sort legitimate use case. Like, a job might not be any good, but it contributes good stats if you master it, or it's got an ability worth learning.
I got Romeo's Ballad to work on Omega in the PR version; I had 3 hasted bards singing it constantly while Bartz attacked with a Lightning spellblade. Took multiple tries, though.
It always takes me one or two failed attempts to get my timing on point, but yeah, that's the killer strat. Lucky you had spellblade though, I've had to do it with, like, a berserker with a lightning bow, lol
Against Omega all you need is a Freelancer with Spellblade, Rapid Fire and Dual Wield. 1st turn Spellblade Thundaga, 2nd turn Rapid Fire = R.I.P Omega.
I recently finished my first Fiesta run. I rolled Monk, Berserker, Ninja, and Dancer. That was.... rough. But honestly the most fun I've had with the game in a long time. Ninja's dual wielding on dancer with chicken knife and man eater was putting out crazy damage for me once i got the gear to get more consistent dances. Monk and berserker felt really bad in the late game. Monk was basically relegated to a back row healer throwing items to keep the dancer and ninja up to actually do damage to exdeath. My dancer was surprisingly the mvp of the run overall. With a bit of luck.
I don't care if you are right or wrong. If I learn something new about my 3rd favorite FF game... I'll be happy! I like doing fiesta runs, but I can never remember the details of how each job can function at its peak because the version differences and glitch exploits like chemist berzerk status or beastmaster calm ability.... The pixel remaster probably makes some strategies obsolete and I am afraid to get it for that reason.
I'm super upset....that I don't have time to play many games anymore! Thanks for the cogent, coherent info about the game, and your reasons for judging classes as you did.
Blue mage gets extra points for me personally cause you can use them to get death lv5 which lets me one shot the statue guys in the basement in the second world which is an extremely good way to grind job points at that point in the game
I think beastmaster would be good if you released a copy of the enemy and can be released multiple times. But if you change jobs you have to capture a new enemy.
I don't know about other versions, but in the Pixel Remaster, !Dance is 100% from the back row. This Dancer the highest-output DPS classes from the back row. Plus, if you can get a Lamia's Tiara from the Lamias in the Ronka Ruins, they are good from start to finish, peaking at 9999 usually in Galuf's world. Otherwise, you have to wait until the Phoenix Tower for them to really get good. !Dance is also one of the best synergistic commands. Combine it with a dual wielder or two-hander and let it rip from the back row.
I had a fiesta run with Monk and Dancer, putting dance on a monk with kaiser knuckles was insane when sword dance would proc, since monks attack twice I was breaking the 9999 cap every time.
mix is an insane ability but being tied to chemist is a massive con in fiesta i think. I do think ur underestimating the early game utility of mix tho - resurrection and balm of gilead are insanely powerful, especially if you have very mp hungry classes like summoner or black mage
I love the berserkers, they do more damage than you think both from the fact that the weapons do 50-150% of their normal damage. combined with the high str stat being under berserk with grants 50% more damage and immune to confuse. The agility lost hurts but you can fix that if someone in your party can haste them. Most bosses and enemies fall pretty fast to a berserker or two as long as you have a support character.
Great tier list, I have honestly never played a Fiesta run but I have played the game multiple times over and I largely agree. I am glad to see the Chemist so high, since whenever I used to tell my friends that Mix was secretly overpowered nobody believed me x) Surprised (and glad) about Mimic being rather low too since I remember it being well regarded by people, but I never had the need for it, especially since Mimic can't equip Ribbons, so apart from the late availability it is much worse than Freelancer! I have never used the Knight, but I have been feeling like playing FFV again, so I'll try it in my next playthrough! You have a new sub! :)
While it takes a long set up time, Berserkers can be made the most powerful job in the game with a Bard due to not requiring inputs when maxing the speed song. I had my berserker solo the final boss with it only getting off a single attack before dying due to spending the first phase buffing the hell out of the berserker's speed. It was very funny.
I have a few favorites to share as well as a possible knit-pick: 1. My favorite class is Blue Mage because I can learn an enemies' attack and turn it against them 2. My favorite combination is giving the Spellblade ability to a Ninja as a guarantee of making it out of a battle provided that the enemies aren't undead 3. Bards and Dancers go hand-in-hand so the main ability of one being given to the other can be helpful in the right way 4. My only knit-pick is that the Red Mage doesn't have access to the lvl4 or higher spells for what they can do No doubt you considered everything possible, so just take my thoughts wi5h a grain of salt
There is such a struggle to make consumable item classes balanced. Chemist can make your party invincible but gathering materials is such a pain. Using Alfyn's skills in Octopath have to better than other options or there wouldn't be any point to using them over the other jobs that only require sp to cast however, Alfyn's skills are completely busted overpowered, you want boost points? here you go. Want 9999 healing? Right here. Need Sp? on the double. Overall I feel like consumable classes are kind of out of place in rpgs, they just seem to be stronger options if you want to put in extra effort/grinding or play off a spreadsheet.
Yea, the balance is offset by the sheer fat that your playing an rpg! Unless your undertale, grinding is kinda one of the big pillars, whether we like it or not. Hell games that make grinding even easier like the Bravely series tend to bust the item classes even further, salve maker baby!
To be fair, Mirror Items in FFTA2 is incredibly cheesy and easy 150 damage with an X-potion. More if you have that support skill that doubles item effectiveness. But yeah Chemists/Cannoneers are pretty underrated. I could never beat Shinryu/Omega in Advance if I didn't learn all the mixes.
I can't believe you threw Berserker under the bus like that. It synergizes amazingly with Ninja. I ran half the game with all four characters on autopilot.
Doing a ratio system is fun too! Here's the rules: You are allowed to spend up to 7 points to buy jobs for your party. You don't have to spend all the points if you don't want to. S Tier = 4 points each: Samurai, Knight, Freelancer, Bard, Ninja A Tier = 3 points each: Time Mage, Summoner, Black Mage, Magic Knight B Tier = 2 points each: Thief, Blue Mage, White Mage, Hunter, Chemist C Tier = 1 point each: Dragoon, Red Mage, Dancer, Monk, Mime D Tier = 0 points each: Trainer, Geomancer, Berserker A good example of a fun team using this system would be: Bard, Blue Mage, Monk, Trainer. I used the order you had them in, but evened out the the amount in each tier. You could build the table however you want though.
Hell, I'd do it cheaper. Assuming you're only paying for the job once (and not once for each PC)... I'll take the Blue Mage for 2 points, and then take the Beastmaster/Mediator for free. And that's it. I'm spending the other 5 points on a 12-pack. Make everyone a Blue Mage with at least 2 levels of Beastmaster/Mediator, for the "!Control" command. Go nuts, and nuke the game with "Death By Math". For added silliness, add on a Chemist and Time Mage, using the other 5 points (not that it's really needed). Blue Mage/Time Mage/Beastmaster/Chemist
For a game that is lauded for its Job system it's a little surprising that they didn't do a little more with the Geomancer, Dancer and Berserker to make them a little less gimmicky/one-note.
Thief's damage is low before the chicken knife because the chicken knife is the only dagger that properly applies agility in the damage formula. All others ignore agility.
Mime c tier 🤨 should be right next to freelancer. Far as im aware all stat & traits that freelancer would get, mime also gets. Just lagging behind in equipment
@@leargamma4912 for good reason, it's extremely easy to abuse on its' own. Let alone with good carry overs. You could say the same with freelancer either way 🤷♂️ not worth using until late game- unless youve done lots of grinding
Regarding the dancer, 1/4 dances are useful, and that one deals quadruple damage- which means you're about as well off by simply autoattacking and if you do that you may as well be any other martial job.
It gets boosted to 1/2 if you have one of the special pieces of dancer equipment. One of those is the ribbon, so it’s a bit of a no-brainer to equip it. It’s still at the mercy of RNG, but it should average out to ~200% of the damage you’d get by just attacking, jitterbug notwithstanding. You’re also able to do all of this from the back row in PR, but that’s more of a consolation prize because dancer has the worst stamina at -10
@@alyssasalmon4883 ya at the time i hadnt gotten far enough into ff5 to know those items exist. But dancer still seems like a gamble strat and the unreliability was still unsatisfying.
@@alyssasalmon4883 ya at the time i hadnt gotten far enough into ff5 to know those items exist. But dancer still seems like a gamble strat and I still found the unreliability unsatisfying.
I don't mind level grinding so the monk is my choice. Put four of these in your party and you can flatten most bosses quickly. They do become obsolete near the end of the game though where I go with the freelancer after mastering the ninja and acquiring the Rapid Fire ability to dish out 8 unblockable attacks.
24:18 I hope the real joke is you shitting on Mime and not willfully spreading misinformation because it's literally the best job in the game by a mile. It does everything Freelancer does (which is everything. Freelancer is the second best job, and again it's not even close) and more by having three command slots. If you work out your agility right, you can have one person click Rapid Fire, then everyone can copy that, or they can just drop Meteor because one of the four of you mastered Black Mage. It breaks the game over it's knee with a sickening crack.
Pretty sure the Mime is far more limited with the gear it can equip. Making Freelancers better fighters, while Mimes are the better mages because they can equip more types of magic at once, and pair more types of magic with dual-cast.
@@drakematsen4978 Pretty sure to utilize those, the Mime has to equip them. Which is just taking up slots with useless junk that the Freelancer doesn't require. Not to mention that on top of that, Fight is also replaced with Mimic, so if you want the Mime to be able to use its basic attacks, that's yet another slot being used up just to do that. That's a lot of extra work for a fighter, when the Freelancer can do the same thing without those extra steps. Basically, in order to have a hard-hitting Mime for a fighter, you'd need to give it both Fight, and Equip Sword (or whatever weapon). Which leaves it with only one free slot available. Whereas the Freelancer can achieve the same thing while having both of its slots still available. Hence, which job is better depends on the build. Some builds are better suited for Freelancer, while others are better suited for Mime.
Good list, a few things I disagree on (blue > all other mages IMO and red mage over dragoon and dancer over dragoon) but no matter. Chemist buffs a few jobs like blue mage (makes it easier to get certain spells like the level spells sooner because of slapping reflect on a foe like the red dragon with mix) and same with beast master of course, granted confuse with white mage or dancing dagger for confuse can make that less of an issue. Red mage with stuff like ancient sword and using poison/sleep can cheese a few bosses same as black mage so that is why I'd put him above the dancer.
is ranger with 'equip axe' good? that way your thors hammer can always hit. it also gives you the strength of a Berserker without the sluggishness that comes with the class. (makes it easier to grind for rapid fire idk)
Equip Bow is a better ability than Barefisted to gain more damage, making Ranger more valuable for other classes. You get the damage buff with a speed buff, which means DPS is higher.
Mime is the one here I strongly disagree with. It inherits stats and abilities from mastered classes just as Freelancer does, and it's the only job that allows you to equip three abilities. That means Doublecast + two entire magic sets, as a typical example. It is THE endgame job for mage builds, just as Freelancer is for martial builds.
So I stopped using Zeninage after 2 times because it seemed strange to do so much damage. Had to look it up to find out its essentially "Gil Toss" and uses my money. I know of these types of attacks from other FF games and other rpgs, but NOWHERE in game does it tell me my money is being used for the attack so I was rolling with it for a while cause it literally has no indicator, or pop up telling you that you are using your money for the attack. I just thinks that's f***** up.
It’s in the name. Zeninage -> 銭 (ぜに) [zeni] {money} 投げ (なげ) [nage] {throw} They just didn’t translate it properly. It’s since been correctly localized as coin toss, but it looks weird to western cultures to see such a skill with a Japanese-themed class, so in later releases they stuck with leaving it in Japanese to give it a greater “samurai” theme I suppose.
Justice for geomancer: pur gaia on your spellcasters, outside of boss battles, to save mp! And air knife + wind slash is fantastic against the final boss
I'l always take a Berserker hitting the backrow for 1200 damage over a Dancer that uses Mystery Waltz for the eighth time in a row. Absolutely nothing is more frustrating.
Hang on. Doesn't bard not even show up until you reach crescent Island? Without hacking for a supremely different run, I don't see how you gain bard and not have access to songs out of the gate.
Flancer doesn't gain EVERY passive but MOST who either grant utility or give stats do carry over. Faster Sprinting/Find Passages/Find Holes/Magic Shell etc do get carried but Two-handed/Long Reach etc. do not. Now I've played the Advance version and the PR so I might be off because the PR lacks the three bonus classes and the bonus Necromancer class, but generally every stat increase/utility passive gets carried over. Thankfully Berserk is not carried over.
@@leargamma4912it is, just one of two passives that aren’t automatic on flancer. Passives can be told apart from commands by the lack of ! at the start of the name
your sleeping on mimic the ability to equip 3 abilities is brilliant and it copies the stats of learned jobs just like freelancer, its freelancers magic counterpart
To those talking about the placement of mimic… Mimic is fairly placed on THIS list, mimic is insanely great in a casual play through, will not shine in 4 job fiesta
Looks like this year's fiesta will be in June. The past two years I've streamed my runs with a couple friends, I imagine we'll be doing that again this year.
I'm a year late, it seems. But hey, least I gave this good video a good, full watch. That being said, hey hi hello, this makes me wanna play FFV again. Maybe a "Bartz does x type of job, Lenna does y type of job and so on and so forth" run.
geomancer is only decent with a mage/ninja and the rune bell aka all the rods in one the weapon. knight's only get Knight swords over mystic knights who get nothing form their magic stat unless they use a rune blade which is immune to spell-blade also barehanded from monk gives a huge str bonus to classes like thief who can still use a knife if it is more damage Also unfortunately agility only applies damage on chicken knife all other dagger only use str
Knowing what I know about final fantasy, putting the bard at the top blew me away, lol. But all I really know of the bard job came from ff4, lol. "You spoony bard!"
I really disagree with you on Berserker class and on shields being so important/good. Early game I swapped my knight to a berserker with two hand ability then had my thief/time mage slap haste on him to start every encounter then all of a sudden he’s killed everything before anyone else can act and you don’t even have to press a button to do so
Yo have you guys played FFV: The Ancient Cave? It's a mod that turns ffv into a lufia 2 style roguelike. There's vids on it on youtube and it's mega fun
all fun and games,except mimic. when you play final fantasy V at last the second time,you know you will play the whole game building the perfect spells for the mimic to use eventually, i like to do a party of 2 magic 2 physical and use the corresponding classes to make the mimic stronger in world 3. its all that matters,the late game bosses where you really need a strategy to kill things easy and fast, the early and mid game, world 1 and 2,you can spam " A " or whatever the button to confirm you got blindly and most of the times will work,maybe you need a few hi potions and phoenix down if you cant kill it fast enough,but you get there,you only need to " think " and have a good strategy and items,passives etc in the late game, and this is where the mimic shine with his 3 perks and all passives from what you mastered, a better freelancer.
Blue Mage, Summoner, Red Mage are all S+++ tier. Using x2 Blue Mage / Summoner and x2 Red Mage / Summoner breaks the game. Not even the mega mega bosses stand a chance with that party set up.
I'm very late to this, but I think you give Red mage far too much credit. They can't use shields, I don't think they can even use medium armor, and they have almost the lowest health in the game (I think bard is similar and dancer is worse). You covered the issues with Dualcast, but it would legitimately be an A-tier class if it could cast level 4 magics (Bio, Shell, Esuna, Blink). As is, it is my least favorite class to see unless I also have Summoner. I'd rather have a Geomancer just for terrain immunity.
Mystic Knight or Samurai on Bartz, White Mage or Summoner on Lenna, Thief, Geomancer, Beastmaster or Ninja on Galuf/Krile, Blue, Red, Black or Time Mage or Ranger on Faris.
You cannot be more wrong about mimics. Even in fiesta, mimics have one thing other classes don't: they can equip 3 job abilities. So depening on your other 3 jobs, you can get some pretty crazy combos. It's Still mit S tier (it us in the regular game, but that's not what we're talking about(, but D or C? Nah.
Red Mage is my favorite class in the FF series. IMO in FFV, Red Mage should've been a Crystal 1 class while Black and White Mages should have been Crystal 2. They're decent early on, but the specialists are both better especially in the late game; availability is a thing to consider as well as top level performance, and putting something with a lower ceiling later in the game just hurts its viability twice.
I love that you put Knight up so high. It's the definition of "It just works". A lot of damage, a lot of defense, and the ability to support the entire party. There's no reality where it ISN'T a godlike class
Throw some white magic in there and boom, Paladin
@@MCastleberry1980 Throw some black magic in there and boom, Dark Knight (on a technical level).
It has some nice abilities for sure, particularly double grip and equip shields. The former is a poor man’s dual wield, and the latter is something you can throw onto a magic job with a self-sufficient spell list like a white mage. I did a wind crystal only run, and the one thing I regretted most out of how I played was not experimenting with the knight more
Berserker on SNES was broken, if you gave him thorn helm and Gaia hammer, his magic will go all the way back to 255 since snes can’t do negatives, you give him Gaia hammer and hope for the best, I suggest you try it it’s fun
I think this is really well done. Here are my thoughts few of the classes to either add to what you said or mention an alternative take. I'll list them in alphabetical order as well.
Beastmaster - I think it should be higher since it can break the game with a spreadsheet but definitely belongs down there with berserker and geomancer in terms enjoyability.
Blue Mage - Feels a bit weird in terms of placing, I feel like it should be higher than Black Mage with all its amazing utility but at the same time I do agree that Black Mage's pure rod boosted damage is just better in some of the tougher fights. Personally I would rather have a Blue Mage over a Black Mage since it can act as a band-aid onto any team.
Dancer and Dragoon - I would probably just swap these two around. I have never found a good use for Dragoons in this game and none of their abilities are worth passing on. Jump is horrible in this game where you want to finish fights quickly and lancet is useless with its damage output. Dragoons also don't have access to swords, only Ricard and Kain can do that. Dancer on the other hand get access to a ribbon at Karnak and passing equip ribbon can often be the best ability to give to classes that are already great on their own. All that to say though, I think Dragoon should just really be dragged down to C tier with Dancer.
Freelancer - I tried the unemployment run after seeing some of your stream. The equip anything ability is absolutely broken even without abilities and stats. I didn't struggle in the run until I got to Exdeath.
Geomancer - There might need to be a tier between Beastmaster and Berserker. Geomancer is horrible, at least the Beastmaster can consistently paralyze with whips but Geomancer really doesn't have anything going for it.
Monk - The problem with trying to argue that Monks need lots of experience to start dealing more damage after world 1 is that levels matter in every damage formula in this game so a level 70 monk will still be lagging behind any other high leveled party. The high stamina might be the only thing going for it since you now have a meatier version of whatever other class you rolled.
Mystic Knight - Fun fact, these guys are tied for having the second highest agility along with Ninjas. You should be giving these guys knives for DPS not swords. Flare spellblade is also amazing against enemies with no elemental weakness as it ignores 75% of the target's defense stat. While the Black Mage is better off casting rod boosted -ga spells over flare, Mystic Knights should always go for Flare spellblade when dealing neutral damage.
Ninja - Should not even be considered for A tier, solid S tier. There is never any point in the game where Ninja is not beneficial and even low level ninjas should still be dealing 6k+ with fuma shurikens against Neo-Exdeath.
Ranger - The killer bow as an 8% chance of instantly killing an enemy and it can proc off rapid fire. It's also not considered the death spell so it will kill undead enemies and enemies immune to death. I think heavy enemies are the only ones that are immune to the killer bow. Also aim doesn't work when you are blinded, so it can't actually help you there. Rapid fire also halves the damage with each hit so you are effectively always dealing 2x the damage but it also ignores evasion and defense so it tends to do a bit more than that, can also be combined with spellblade and turns off the chicken knife's weakness.
Summoner - Yes you can dual cast summoning magic.
Thief - You can steal Twin Lances from Objet d'Art. This is pretty good damage for most of world 2, should be swinging for around 1000 damage with your standard attack command.
White Mage - Easily could have moved up a tier if it could multicast protect and shell.
Once you get access to the elemental rods in Freelancer-only runs, most bosses basically boil down to "break rods until you win".
i had so much fun with the Geomancer's Gaia in the midgame personally
i had both my mages get Gaia early on so that they could focus on leveling black and white magic while having a decent alternative to deal damage without consuming MP
also, Desert Storm/Quicksand/Whirlpool/Bottomless Bog/Sonic Boom/Earthquake/Twister/Wind Slash/Cave-in/Stalactite worked suprisingly well throughout my adventure.
Maxing out Mystic Knight, Ranger, and Ninja gives you access to INSANE damage on a single target. I'd say those three should be A tier at a minimum as they are all still pretty good by themselves.
I recall killing many late game bosses with this combination. Probably not optimal, but boy was it overkill. In conclusion, many of the jobs were not meant to be played in isolation.
@ausreir well it is a game where you have a party of 4, so the weaknesses of certain classes are balanced around others
Mastering these 3 jobs is how I prefer to kill Omega so long as this character doesn’t get yeeted out of the battle or dies.
Flare enchanted weapons, dual wielding, rapid fire = dead everything.
Drain enchanted weapons, dual wielding, rapid fire = dead everything by trolling.
Spellblade-Dual Wield-Rapid Fire is such an iconic combination, it was made Bartz's limit brake in Dissidia.
One thing you forgot to mention that the berserker can do that admittedly has no use in a Four Job Fiesta is it's ability to hold up all the other classes in an upside down pyramid like that. That's like two dozen people. Berserkers would make incredible cheerleaders.
how you can put Mimic, as a C-Tier is beyond me. Its beyond even S-Tier in power due to its sheer versatility. I used 4 mimics literally lets you use any abilities, even double casting spells without any cost and that makes them beyond OP. They may not be the strongest, but being able to mimic any ability free of cost, makes them the most powerful class out there.
You have to max out multiple job classes to make it work really well.
This is a four job fiesta tier list. Mime on its own is borderline useless without abilities from other jobs. It also has freelancer stats without freelancer equipment.
In a Four Job Fiesta you can only use 4 jobs that you have to use all of the time, mime is more useful on a normal playthrough
@@deedoubs I mean, even in the four job fiesta mimic is still incredibly useful. The only time it wouldn't be if you got an entirely physical load-out with Berserker
Why would you want to finish the game without maxing out most of your jobs? Maxing them out gives you specific skill benefits and passive abilities. So complaining about maxing out jobs, is not a relevant point. That should already be your goal in the game before proceeding to the end.
What? Mimic is amazing. You can equip three abilities… it’s the best choice for an endgame mage.
I agree. Especially with dual cast and multi attack
There's no endgame in the Pixel Remasters??
@@christaylor86 No..
Hahahajahaha great comment@@christaylor86
Pretty much. Dual Cast + Summon and Time Magic, and you get a good caster.
Blue Mage doesn't belong in A-Tier. It belongs in a tier on its own, above S-Tier, due to "Death By Math" alone.
But here are some other reasons as well.
1. Shields. Since it can use Shields, it can use the Aegis Shield with no issue. That speaks alot towards its survivability.
2. Armor/Helms. Medium Armor may not protect as well as Heavy Armor, but there are still a fair number of Medium Armors and Helms out there that knock it out the park, such as the Bone Mail up on Drakenvale, or the Gold Hairpin in Barrier Tower.
3. Weapons. The Enhancer Blade is fantastic on any magic user that can use it. And that's before mentioning it can break Rods.
4. The !Scan Command. Often overlooked, !Scan does double duty by not only revealing an enemy's weaknesses (among many other things), but also its current level, which is crucial to the class's inherent "Death By Math" strategy.
...And all of this comes standard, before considering what Blue Magic can do.
Considering that it's fully possible to solo the whole game with just a Blue Mage, and nothing else, there's really no reason why this class doesn't belong in a tier of its own, IMO.
For what it's worth, in most versions of the game (not sure about PR, haven't tried it) the Time Mage can defeat (hell, *solo*) both Shinryu and Omega using the Bio rod and Quick; use Quick, snap the Bio Rod, then wait it out. It'll take 15-20 minutes, but for the entirety of the time the HP leak ticks away, eventually killing any enemy in the game.
It's pretty damn cheezy, but it works.
I've had to do this before, it's real lulzy. My understanding is it works in the SFC and GBA versions, but not in the iOS/mobile or PR versions.
The PR version "fixed" the glitch of bio and quick, so even if you use quick to stall, bio actually wares off over time.
this is the only list I've seen to recognize bard as a good class. Every other tier list I've seen has it in D or F. C at the highest. But bard and dancer are two of my favorites in this game.
I just disagree with mimic, as mimic inherit stats like freelancer, so if you roll it with magic classes they serve as a second mage just as good as a black mage
Berserker also improved in pixel remaster as atb doesn't completely reset to 0 for going into berserk status, and 7:48 cover with berserk for monk's innate counter for synergy. Dragoon is useless lol 16:41 wears heavy armor (many classes do) and useless HP/MP drain which is weaker for its low growth (let alone mix is better), and jump isn't anywhere near as useful as final fantasy tactics to dodge magic, ranged spear to dodge hamedo of a sword, and can jump obstacles even without ignore elevation.
Chemist mix fully heals hp, mp and can revive with Phoenix down and potion. Mime's extra slot has it replace item, which is far better. Mime should be S tier. You can also dual wield rods for stronger magic (two handed knight sucks let alone isn't passive).
Samurai can't use spellblade given katanas, which sucks, though spellblade is primarily used with break (or non-elemental flare and rapidfire for high success even one shots upper middle of neo exdeath and I believe behemoths that zeninage will get you party wiped by comet/meteor counter) or else you risk healing enemies.
Agree. I always liked mimic late game. Might be a problem for fiesta runs though
Mime is even more heavily dependent on other commands than Freelancer, but has the highest ceiling in the game outside of Fiesta rules, definitely
Isn't he talking about Fiesta runs where characters are locked into their class?
@@rakino4418that's one of the Fiesta rulesets. The more common set is "you have to have at least one of these jobs at all times", so you can swap jobs around and get the other jobs mastered.
Mimes are amazing in Career Day (the FFV randomizer) due to their casting flexibility
Mystic Knight, this is what I do. I give them Focus from the Monk, then I always cast Drain on my sword. You can not die.
The one thing about berserker (that doesn't work for four job fiesta, obviously) is that equip axes can be awesome on spellcasters, especially summoner. Gaia hammer (if you can actually get it), and thor's hammer can be used from the back row, and gaia hammer makes titan stronger. Geomancer's gaia ability is also prety decent on white mage, to use their magic stat to deal damage when they're not healing. Neat things they can do, but just not on their original classes.
Can't you just exchange the jobs of 2 characters in four job fiesta to give a spellcaster "equip axes"?
Don't forget that with a certain character's base Magic stat (like Butz), and the right equipment (like Giant's Gloves and/or Thornlet), you can set Berserker's magic stat so low you can underflow their Magic stat to become their highest stat. Though I'm not sure if I can confirm this can work on later games. (I only play on the SNES.)
Because of that underflow, they _can_ be effective users of Gaia Hammer.
Beastmaster should be higher. Their control ability is brokenly good in many fights. Completely takes the enemy's ability to act away along with being able to select their actions. Many harder enemies like dragons can be controlled and then made to kill themselves. As long as you use magical abilities to damage them, the control will remain intact. Extremely useful job when doing solo Bartz runs.
It checks out. Dancer is underrated because in the midgame it gives you MP sustain. Just set white magic and you have a healer that never runs out of mp and can do great damage every once in a while. Just sucks against undead
"Healer" and "sucks against undead" do not go in the same sentence~
On my most recent playthrough of FFV, I was able to kind of circumvent the MP problem, at least a little bit, with the summoner by equipping them with the dancing dagger. 1 in 5 chance, but if you get the Mystery Waltz, that's an easy 100 or so MP back.
You can further circumvent this problem by mixing an Ether and Hi Potion (Balm of Gilead =full MP) OR use the blue mages transfusion or the summoners Phoenix
Shurikens themselves fall off quickly, but the upgraded versions are pretty good. They’re either called Fuma Shurikens, Pinwheels, or MagiShurikens depending on the version. The scrolls are also decent, iirc they basically do the same damage as 2nd level elemental spells.
You won’t be using any of them late game, but throughout the mid game they’re excellent.
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In general I think it's worth it to look at two specific roadblocks in the game, anyone that can easily get by one of them without power leveling gets a boost. Those two are World 2 castle Exdeath, and Almagest from NED.
White Mage has the highest damage output of any magic user once you get Holy, also they have access to Shell, which means you can survive Almagest early. They might deserve to get a bump. on the other hand, if you have to do much of world 1 with only white mages that can be miserable. They can also break light staves vs Castle Exdeath to help out there.
Summoner probably deserves a bump because they trivialize Castle Exdeath. also, since almost any job can equip knives, it's a great job to boost weaker jobs. If you give a beastmaster an air knife and !Summon then they'll be a lot better than if you gave them !Black, since they can't equip rods. Same goes for geomancer, thief, and other lower-tier jobs.
Dragoon is probably overrated. They have the armor to be a tank but if you spend time jumping then they're not tanking since the enemies will target your squishier characters instead. If you aren't jumping then it's just a very mediocre melee character. there is no fight in the game where your first choice of job to prepare is Dragoon.
Ninja has even more tricks than you gave them credit for. In particular, if you have a mage then giving the ninja a magic command will boost their magic stat to the point where their scrolls become viable all the way to the end of world 3, and they trivialize everything before then. even better is to give !Throw to a mage who can use a fire or thunder rod to boost it's damage output. Even if it wasn't for that, !Throw has the advantage that you can give everyone in your party !Throw and chuck pinwheels at the Almagest part of NED and kill it before it can fire. I think it is the strongest job in the game.
Thief is overrated. there isn't enough equipment for them to steal for other characters and the things they do steal isn't enough of a significant upgrade to make it worth it. Their stealing niche is also eliminated in world 3 where everyone can get access to thief knife if they want to do the high-profile steals there. Their speed unfortunately doesn't factor into the damage calculation of the daggers they use except for the Chicken Knife. (this may be different in Pixel Remaster) I'd put them all the way down with Beastmaster and Geomancer since they tend to just do the same weak knife-attacks or hope some other job can give them a better command.
Mystic Knight is weird, on one hand, they have the easiest kill possible on the almagest-part of NED, but on the other hand they really struggle in fights where you can't make use of elemental weaknesses. So seal guardians and Castle Exdeath are nasty roadblocks for them
Exdeath in the castle is actually super easy, barely an inconvenience. Any kind of reflect and he just can't so anything. Even a pure physical team can just farm reflect rings in barrier tower and he's helpless. He does so little damage when he can't use magic that even items can get healing done
To me, the main strength of the Thief is that they can see hidden passages. But of course, the usefulness of that ability boils down to whether or not the player already knows where all the secrets are located. Making them much more useful to beginners than they are for veterans.
'I'm putting Chemist in the B-tier. Chemist is the best job in the game.' Is a wild pair of sentences to put together, lmao
This is a great video, I really love FF5. I've wanted to try a fiesta sometime
I was using the berserker with the barehanded skill from the monk and it kept attacking the empty holes during the sand worm fight
Berserker: You don't understand! The holes are the true enemy! RAAAARR!
@@witecatj6007 Yes the wurm is fend hole is true enemy
@@witecatj6007 He was trying to fill in the holes so the sand worm couldn't keep moving around. But every time he tried, he got blasted in the face by magic.
You 100% can dualcast summons. My first neo exdeath was beaten with the Dualcast mimic bahamut combo. No MP Problems with that either 😺
You're misremembering on Red Mages, they cannot equip shields. I wish they could, and also remembered them as being able to, but I've got a playthrough going now and relearnt that they cannot :(
I mostly agree with this. I think you might slightly overvalue Knight and Thief and slightly undervalue Ranger but yeah. Pretty much this. One thing I would say is both Freelancer and Mime are jobs that I thought were inherently nerfed by a fiesta rule set (with vanilla rules, Freelancer and Mine basically serve the same roll as overpowered steam roller with Freelancer being better at the martial side and Mime being better at the magic side) but I think you may have been a voice of reason for Freelancer for me.
Oh and the Romeo's Ballad thing with Omega... The old steam/mobile version of FF5 should be the same as the Pixel Remaster. Theoretically it's still possible to cheese the fight with Romeo's Ballad, but the key difference is in the SNES, PS1, and GBA versions the ATB resets when stop wears off and in mobile and PR, it picks up where it left off so it's virtually impossible to stop omega from ever getting a turn but it will definitely slow him down greatly if timed well.
The pixel remaster changed so much by "fixing bugs" that I think the PR Might need to be banned for four job fiesta runs
Replay and use Knight. I used to agree with you. They are tamky damage monsters.
Great video! And that’s interesting how the tier counts ended up at the end - a solid reminder that (22 - 1) is the 6th triangular number!
I'm not coming from a Four Job Fiesta perspective, but one of my favorite things about this game is that almost every job has some sort legitimate use case. Like, a job might not be any good, but it contributes good stats if you master it, or it's got an ability worth learning.
Berserker is usually one of my priorities. Play on emulator in high speed and he saves real time but not game time
I got Romeo's Ballad to work on Omega in the PR version; I had 3 hasted bards singing it constantly while Bartz attacked with a Lightning spellblade. Took multiple tries, though.
It always takes me one or two failed attempts to get my timing on point, but yeah, that's the killer strat. Lucky you had spellblade though, I've had to do it with, like, a berserker with a lightning bow, lol
I managed to pull it off with two Romeo spammers. Its a tight window, but possible in PR.
Against Omega all you need is a Freelancer with Spellblade, Rapid Fire and Dual Wield.
1st turn Spellblade Thundaga, 2nd turn Rapid Fire = R.I.P Omega.
Hey! It's Mega Man X's Sheep Man in the D Tier!
I really like the idea of berserker I just wish it's stats could make up for it's weaknesses
I recently finished my first Fiesta run. I rolled Monk, Berserker, Ninja, and Dancer. That was.... rough. But honestly the most fun I've had with the game in a long time. Ninja's dual wielding on dancer with chicken knife and man eater was putting out crazy damage for me once i got the gear to get more consistent dances. Monk and berserker felt really bad in the late game. Monk was basically relegated to a back row healer throwing items to keep the dancer and ninja up to actually do damage to exdeath. My dancer was surprisingly the mvp of the run overall. With a bit of luck.
I don't care if you are right or wrong. If I learn something new about my 3rd favorite FF game... I'll be happy! I like doing fiesta runs, but I can never remember the details of how each job can function at its peak because the version differences and glitch exploits like chemist berzerk status or beastmaster calm ability....
The pixel remaster probably makes some strategies obsolete and I am afraid to get it for that reason.
I love Dragoons but they were kind of a let down in this game. I also wish they had Dark Knight as well. The FF3/4 class, not Batman.
I wish this game had FF3 style dark knights AND Batman.
I'm super upset....that I don't have time to play many games anymore! Thanks for the cogent, coherent info about the game, and your reasons for judging classes as you did.
The bard song you get in Kleb is very strong when used by a summoner or a bard with summon max lvl.
Blue mage gets extra points for me personally cause you can use them to get death lv5 which lets me one shot the statue guys in the basement in the second world which is an extremely good way to grind job points at that point in the game
I think beastmaster would be good if you released a copy of the enemy and can be released multiple times. But if you change jobs you have to capture a new enemy.
I don't know about other versions, but in the Pixel Remaster, !Dance is 100% from the back row. This Dancer the highest-output DPS classes from the back row. Plus, if you can get a Lamia's Tiara from the Lamias in the Ronka Ruins, they are good from start to finish, peaking at 9999 usually in Galuf's world. Otherwise, you have to wait until the Phoenix Tower for them to really get good. !Dance is also one of the best synergistic commands. Combine it with a dual wielder or two-hander and let it rip from the back row.
I had a fiesta run with Monk and Dancer, putting dance on a monk with kaiser knuckles was insane when sword dance would proc, since monks attack twice I was breaking the 9999 cap every time.
Fun fact: i accidently leveled mt berserker class thinking it was a beast master due to the Sprite. I just wanted control for blue magic...
mix is an insane ability but being tied to chemist is a massive con in fiesta i think. I do think ur underestimating the early game utility of mix tho - resurrection and balm of gilead are insanely powerful, especially if you have very mp hungry classes like summoner or black mage
Mimic is in C tier??? It has 3 empty slots to play with and gets the passives like freelancers! plus they have capes! CAPES!
I love the berserkers, they do more damage than you think both from the fact that the weapons do 50-150% of their normal damage. combined with the high str stat being under berserk with grants 50% more damage and immune to confuse. The agility lost hurts but you can fix that if someone in your party can haste them. Most bosses and enemies fall pretty fast to a berserker or two as long as you have a support character.
Great tier list, I have honestly never played a Fiesta run but I have played the game multiple times over and I largely agree. I am glad to see the Chemist so high, since whenever I used to tell my friends that Mix was secretly overpowered nobody believed me x)
Surprised (and glad) about Mimic being rather low too since I remember it being well regarded by people, but I never had the need for it, especially since Mimic can't equip Ribbons, so apart from the late availability it is much worse than Freelancer!
I have never used the Knight, but I have been feeling like playing FFV again, so I'll try it in my next playthrough! You have a new sub! :)
While it takes a long set up time, Berserkers can be made the most powerful job in the game with a Bard due to not requiring inputs when maxing the speed song. I had my berserker solo the final boss with it only getting off a single attack before dying due to spending the first phase buffing the hell out of the berserker's speed. It was very funny.
I have a few favorites to share as well as a possible knit-pick:
1. My favorite class is Blue Mage because I can learn an enemies' attack and turn it against them
2. My favorite combination is giving the Spellblade ability to a Ninja as a guarantee of making it out of a battle provided that the enemies aren't undead
3. Bards and Dancers go hand-in-hand so the main ability of one being given to the other can be helpful in the right way
4. My only knit-pick is that the Red Mage doesn't have access to the lvl4 or higher spells for what they can do
No doubt you considered everything possible, so just take my thoughts wi5h a grain of salt
For the beastmaster you can also use Venom (1/8) max HP damage to catch monsters and attacking with your mages.
There is such a struggle to make consumable item classes balanced. Chemist can make your party invincible but gathering materials is such a pain. Using Alfyn's skills in Octopath have to better than other options or there wouldn't be any point to using them over the other jobs that only require sp to cast however, Alfyn's skills are completely busted overpowered, you want boost points? here you go. Want 9999 healing? Right here. Need Sp? on the double. Overall I feel like consumable classes are kind of out of place in rpgs, they just seem to be stronger options if you want to put in extra effort/grinding or play off a spreadsheet.
Yea, the balance is offset by the sheer fat that your playing an rpg! Unless your undertale, grinding is kinda one of the big pillars, whether we like it or not. Hell games that make grinding even easier like the Bravely series tend to bust the item classes even further, salve maker baby!
To be fair, Mirror Items in FFTA2 is incredibly cheesy and easy 150 damage with an X-potion. More if you have that support skill that doubles item effectiveness.
But yeah Chemists/Cannoneers are pretty underrated. I could never beat Shinryu/Omega in Advance if I didn't learn all the mixes.
I can't believe you threw Berserker under the bus like that. It synergizes amazingly with Ninja. I ran half the game with all four characters on autopilot.
Doing a ratio system is fun too!
Here's the rules:
You are allowed to spend up to 7 points to buy jobs for your party.
You don't have to spend all the points if you don't want to.
S Tier = 4 points each: Samurai, Knight, Freelancer, Bard, Ninja
A Tier = 3 points each: Time Mage, Summoner, Black Mage, Magic Knight
B Tier = 2 points each: Thief, Blue Mage, White Mage, Hunter, Chemist
C Tier = 1 point each: Dragoon, Red Mage, Dancer, Monk, Mime
D Tier = 0 points each: Trainer, Geomancer, Berserker
A good example of a fun team using this system would be: Bard, Blue Mage, Monk, Trainer.
I used the order you had them in, but evened out the the amount in each tier. You could build the table however you want though.
I'll take Dragoon, Dancer, Thief, and Hunter, then invest my remaining point in a frosty beverage.
Hell, I'd do it cheaper. Assuming you're only paying for the job once (and not once for each PC)...
I'll take the Blue Mage for 2 points, and then take the Beastmaster/Mediator for free. And that's it.
I'm spending the other 5 points on a 12-pack.
Make everyone a Blue Mage with at least 2 levels of Beastmaster/Mediator, for the "!Control" command.
Go nuts, and nuke the game with "Death By Math".
For added silliness, add on a Chemist and Time Mage, using the other 5 points (not that it's really needed).
Blue Mage/Time Mage/Beastmaster/Chemist
For a game that is lauded for its Job system it's a little surprising that they didn't do a little more with the Geomancer, Dancer and Berserker to make them a little less gimmicky/one-note.
Thief's damage is low before the chicken knife because the chicken knife is the only dagger that properly applies agility in the damage formula. All others ignore agility.
Mime c tier 🤨 should be right next to freelancer. Far as im aware all stat & traits that freelancer would get, mime also gets. Just lagging behind in equipment
But it also comes far later in the vanilla game, and you have less chances to make use of it.
@@leargamma4912 for good reason, it's extremely easy to abuse on its' own. Let alone with good carry overs. You could say the same with freelancer either way 🤷♂️ not worth using until late game- unless youve done lots of grinding
Regarding the dancer, 1/4 dances are useful, and that one deals quadruple damage- which means you're about as well off by simply autoattacking and if you do that you may as well be any other martial job.
It gets boosted to 1/2 if you have one of the special pieces of dancer equipment. One of those is the ribbon, so it’s a bit of a no-brainer to equip it. It’s still at the mercy of RNG, but it should average out to ~200% of the damage you’d get by just attacking, jitterbug notwithstanding. You’re also able to do all of this from the back row in PR, but that’s more of a consolation prize because dancer has the worst stamina at -10
@@alyssasalmon4883 ya at the time i hadnt gotten far enough into ff5 to know those items exist. But dancer still seems like a gamble strat and the unreliability was still unsatisfying.
@@alyssasalmon4883 ya at the time i hadnt gotten far enough into ff5 to know those items exist. But dancer still seems like a gamble strat and I still found the unreliability unsatisfying.
Thanks for this!
What would you say is the best team to luck into for a fiesta run?
If you're talking standard fiesta rules (one job from each crystal) something like Black Mage/Time Mage/Bard/Samurai is tough to beat.
lmfao can’t believe square forgot about the possibility of equipping double shields
I don't mind level grinding so the monk is my choice. Put four of these in your party and you can flatten most bosses quickly. They do become obsolete near the end of the game though where I go with the freelancer after mastering the ninja and acquiring the Rapid Fire ability to dish out 8 unblockable attacks.
24:18 I hope the real joke is you shitting on Mime and not willfully spreading misinformation because it's literally the best job in the game by a mile. It does everything Freelancer does (which is everything. Freelancer is the second best job, and again it's not even close) and more by having three command slots. If you work out your agility right, you can have one person click Rapid Fire, then everyone can copy that, or they can just drop Meteor because one of the four of you mastered Black Mage. It breaks the game over it's knee with a sickening crack.
Pretty sure the Mime is far more limited with the gear it can equip. Making Freelancers better fighters, while Mimes are the better mages because they can equip more types of magic at once, and pair more types of magic with dual-cast.
@@gurvmlk except it gets all the passives like Freelancer, including all the "Equip [whatever the job that gives it uses]"
@@drakematsen4978 Pretty sure to utilize those, the Mime has to equip them. Which is just taking up slots with useless junk that the Freelancer doesn't require. Not to mention that on top of that, Fight is also replaced with Mimic, so if you want the Mime to be able to use its basic attacks, that's yet another slot being used up just to do that. That's a lot of extra work for a fighter, when the Freelancer can do the same thing without those extra steps.
Basically, in order to have a hard-hitting Mime for a fighter, you'd need to give it both Fight, and Equip Sword (or whatever weapon). Which leaves it with only one free slot available. Whereas the Freelancer can achieve the same thing while having both of its slots still available.
Hence, which job is better depends on the build. Some builds are better suited for Freelancer, while others are better suited for Mime.
Good list, a few things I disagree on (blue > all other mages IMO and red mage over dragoon and dancer over dragoon) but no matter. Chemist buffs a few jobs like blue mage (makes it easier to get certain spells like the level spells sooner because of slapping reflect on a foe like the red dragon with mix) and same with beast master of course, granted confuse with white mage or dancing dagger for confuse can make that less of an issue. Red mage with stuff like ancient sword and using poison/sleep can cheese a few bosses same as black mage so that is why I'd put him above the dancer.
is ranger with 'equip axe' good? that way your thors hammer can always hit.
it also gives you the strength of a Berserker without the sluggishness that comes with the class.
(makes it easier to grind for rapid fire idk)
Equip Bow is a better ability than Barefisted to gain more damage, making Ranger more valuable for other classes. You get the damage buff with a speed buff, which means DPS is higher.
Mime is the one here I strongly disagree with. It inherits stats and abilities from mastered classes just as Freelancer does, and it's the only job that allows you to equip three abilities. That means Doublecast + two entire magic sets, as a typical example. It is THE endgame job for mage builds, just as Freelancer is for martial builds.
I was just about to say this. He didn’t even mention the ability to inherit passive abilities from other jobs. Maybe he doesn’t know. 🤷🏼♀️
@@easterbasket9688isn't he talking about Challenge Runs where characters are locked to their jobs for the whole game?
Can't argue with those NASA supercomputers!
So I stopped using Zeninage after 2 times because it seemed strange to do so much damage. Had to look it up to find out its essentially "Gil Toss" and uses my money. I know of these types of attacks from other FF games and other rpgs, but NOWHERE in game does it tell me my money is being used for the attack so I was rolling with it for a while cause it literally has no indicator, or pop up telling you that you are using your money for the attack. I just thinks that's f***** up.
It’s in the name. Zeninage ->
銭 (ぜに) [zeni] {money}
投げ (なげ) [nage] {throw}
They just didn’t translate it properly. It’s since been correctly localized as coin toss, but it looks weird to western cultures to see such a skill with a Japanese-themed class, so in later releases they stuck with leaving it in Japanese to give it a greater “samurai” theme I suppose.
I'm more surprised that NASA had enough time to come over there to do an analytical calculation on a final fantasy V tier list.
Mime has every advantage of Freelancer + native ability to mimic + more versatility with their command slots. It's literally Freelancer++.
Justice for geomancer: pur gaia on your spellcasters, outside of boss battles, to save mp!
And air knife + wind slash is fantastic against the final boss
I'l always take a Berserker hitting the backrow for 1200 damage over a Dancer that uses Mystery Waltz for the eighth time in a row. Absolutely nothing is more frustrating.
Is this about the class itself or the skills/bonuses they receive?
Hang on. Doesn't bard not even show up until you reach crescent Island? Without hacking for a supremely different run, I don't see how you gain bard and not have access to songs out of the gate.
Yeah he's talking about a mod sometimes used in fiesta runs that unlocks every job from the start.
Flancer doesn't gain EVERY passive but MOST who either grant utility or give stats do carry over.
Faster Sprinting/Find Passages/Find Holes/Magic Shell etc do get carried but Two-handed/Long Reach etc. do not.
Now I've played the Advance version and the PR so I might be off because the PR lacks the three bonus classes and the bonus Necromancer class, but generally every stat increase/utility passive gets carried over.
Thankfully Berserk is not carried over.
Wait. Two handed is a passive ability?
@@leargamma4912 nope, you have to assign it,even on knight itself
@@leargamma4912it is, just one of two passives that aren’t automatic on flancer. Passives can be told apart from commands by the lack of ! at the start of the name
Trick with All classes... Fight Garula near water crystal... 1abp but 0 exp fighting it over and over takes a long time but makes the Freelancer OP
Excellent. I'm all I'm on FF Tier lists.
your sleeping on mimic the ability to equip 3 abilities is brilliant and it copies the stats of learned jobs just like freelancer, its freelancers magic counterpart
in my four job fiesta I chose monk, time mage, ninja, chemist! IT IS NOT EASY!
To those talking about the placement of mimic… Mimic is fairly placed on THIS list, mimic is insanely great in a casual play through, will not shine in 4 job fiesta
Can't disagree with NASA.
What time of year do they normally do the fiesta runs?
Looks like this year's fiesta will be in June. The past two years I've streamed my runs with a couple friends, I imagine we'll be doing that again this year.
Mystic Knight is a little low. Mime is WAY too low.
Finally a tier list that matter
I'm a year late, it seems. But hey, least I gave this good video a good, full watch. That being said, hey hi hello, this makes me wanna play FFV again. Maybe a "Bartz does x type of job, Lenna does y type of job and so on and so forth" run.
geomancer is only decent with a mage/ninja and the rune bell aka all the rods in one the weapon.
knight's only get Knight swords over mystic knights who get nothing form their magic stat unless they use a rune blade which is immune to spell-blade
also barehanded from monk gives a huge str bonus to classes like thief who can still use a knife if it is more damage
Also unfortunately agility only applies damage on chicken knife all other dagger only use str
HECK YES LET'S DO THIS
Knowing what I know about final fantasy, putting the bard at the top blew me away, lol. But all I really know of the bard job came from ff4, lol. "You spoony bard!"
I really disagree with you on Berserker class and on shields being so important/good. Early game I swapped my knight to a berserker with two hand ability then had my thief/time mage slap haste on him to start every encounter then all of a sudden he’s killed everything before anyone else can act and you don’t even have to press a button to do so
Yo have you guys played FFV: The Ancient Cave? It's a mod that turns ffv into a lufia 2 style roguelike. There's vids on it on youtube and it's mega fun
Mimic gets all the stats from other classes and gets 3 abilities instead of freelancers 2.
all fun and games,except mimic.
when you play final fantasy V at last the second time,you know you will play the whole game building the perfect spells for the mimic to use eventually, i like to do a party of 2 magic 2 physical and use the corresponding classes to make the mimic stronger in world 3. its all that matters,the late game bosses where you really need a strategy to kill things easy and fast, the early and mid game, world 1 and 2,you can spam " A " or whatever the button to confirm you got blindly and most of the times will work,maybe you need a few hi potions and phoenix down if you cant kill it fast enough,but you get there,you only need to " think " and have a good strategy and items,passives etc in the late game, and this is where the mimic shine with his 3 perks and all passives from what you mastered, a better freelancer.
I disagree with beast master. I believe in at least one of the versions the class can actually garentee a kill on omega as well
should've used Bartz for everything because the other characters are hard to tell the job.
Blue Mage, Summoner, Red Mage are all S+++ tier. Using x2 Blue Mage / Summoner and x2 Red Mage / Summoner breaks the game. Not even the mega mega bosses stand a chance with that party set up.
I'm very late to this, but I think you give Red mage far too much credit. They can't use shields, I don't think they can even use medium armor, and they have almost the lowest health in the game (I think bard is similar and dancer is worse). You covered the issues with Dualcast, but it would legitimately be an A-tier class if it could cast level 4 magics (Bio, Shell, Esuna, Blink). As is, it is my least favorite class to see unless I also have Summoner. I'd rather have a Geomancer just for terrain immunity.
Mystic knight with both hand and max power braveblade.
Mystic Knight or Samurai on Bartz, White Mage or Summoner on Lenna, Thief, Geomancer, Beastmaster or Ninja on Galuf/Krile, Blue, Red, Black or Time Mage or Ranger on Faris.
I choose chemist for Lenna mostly because chemists are perfect for dealing with high level enemies and bosses.
You cannot be more wrong about mimics. Even in fiesta, mimics have one thing other classes don't: they can equip 3 job abilities. So depening on your other 3 jobs, you can get some pretty crazy combos. It's Still mit S tier (it us in the regular game, but that's not what we're talking about(, but D or C? Nah.
Your other three jobs are thief, monk, and geomancer. Have fun.
any other way to get ninja one?
The Kaiser knuckle i believe.
I wonder how this list relates to a non fiesta playthrough
I'M REALLY REALLY MAD AT YOU!!! 😡
Red Mage is my favorite class in the FF series. IMO in FFV, Red Mage should've been a Crystal 1 class while Black and White Mages should have been Crystal 2. They're decent early on, but the specialists are both better especially in the late game; availability is a thing to consider as well as top level performance, and putting something with a lower ceiling later in the game just hurts its viability twice.