I agree about showing Cooler and Frieza's sibling rivalry. The only time Cooler and Frieza are shown together is in "Plan To Eradicate the Saiyans." As for Vegeta, he'd be out of place in this movie, especially considering he hasn't officially joined the good guys yet during this time. He does in the next Cooler movie.
Gardetrace Oh yeah. Speaking of "Plan To Eradicate The Saiyans", I wish FUNimation would dub that OVA already. Along with "Yo Son Goku And His Friends Return". Another thing I liked about "Plan To Eradicate The Saiyans" was the fact that it was also the first time we see Vegeta and Turles on screen together.
@@Gardetrace I don't see how Vegeta would've been out of place. It wouldn't matter if he had officially joined the good guys during this time period. We all know that Vegeta had no problem siding with Kuririn, Gohan, Piccolo and Goku when they were faced against Freeza. It'd be no different in this scenerio. And he was already living on Earth right after the battle on Namek.
@@Gardetrace So Vegeta is out in space training to become a Super Saiyan during Cooler first assault on Earth? If that is the case, why Vegeta has not encountered Cooler yet?
"Does that look like Frieza to you?" To be fair, Frieza's transformations after the first one look pretty different from one another, so it wouldn't surprise me if that somehow was him.
Cooler‘s True Form is weaker than Frieza but his 5th Form not. But Cooler makes a mistake by giving Goku a chance to get a Zenkai boost which makes his Super Saiyan much stronger than when he fight Frieza. But never mind that since it’s not gonna save this movie sin total.
It's also worth noting that Goku and Piccolo would've seemingly begun training for the Androids at this point. That, on top of Goku's zenkai and the fact that Cooler was hardly even fighting back, makes the whole sequence a lot .ore reasonable in context.
Also Goku has a tendency to bs, when experiencing a new form. I think he was still figuring out Friezas new form, also. Goku being Goku, as he was in Resurrection F, kinda letting Frieza run out his stamina concocting a plan to vanquish him, a la Muhammad Ali, in some his match then hitting his version of the rope a dope.
No Zenkai boost, Goku ssj was simply stronger than Cooler. The fact that Cooler said his final form was stronger than Freezer one, doesn't mean nothing, the difference would be very minimal and even Mecha Freeza said that he was stronger than the last fight in namek and than he get beaten by ssj future Trunks with one move. In my opinion last form Cooler is equal to Mecha Freezer and weaker than 100% Freezer. Just remember that the official power level until namek saga, states 100% full power Freeza with a power level of 120.000.000 and ssj goku 150.000.000. 30.000.000 of difference between both that in the Freeza saga still an huge power level, in fact it is the power level of Goku base form fighting Freezer. But besides the numbers and power level that are not a sure and right parameter of comparison, what i am trying to say is that the difference could be even minimal and not huge like some people think.
You could say goku was training which is why base goku beat up 4th form cooler and ssj goku fights 5th form cooler Retype: Goku most likely trained throughout that time period, thus the reason why Base Goku was on par and could even fight even with 4th Form Cooler, this applys to Super Saiyan aswell, given it's a multiplier
3:58 from Vegeta’s grand tour across the galaxy~! When he was looking for Goku out in space while Goku was training on Yardrat. He was saying at every Frieza Planet he went to “I’m looking for the Saiyan that was raised on Earth. His name is Kakarot but he goes by the earthling name Goku. He’s a super Saiyan that defeated Frieza. You haven’t seen or heard of him? Hmm. Ok, thanks, die~” 15:44 Goku got zenkai boosts and trained since Frieza ✨💅
Re-watching this made me realise: In the Japanese version and some of the promotional material didn't Cooler only want to kill Goku for killing Freiza beacuse Cooler himself was planning on doing that? But what about the dub? Was it a case of family honor?
Gard says "Cyan" instead of "Saiyan" Sin level: 1. Gard says Dr. "Garro" instead of "Gero" we're gonna add an extra 10 points for how ugly it sounds. Sin level: 11
Cooler’s men accessing the technology of the Frieza Force should be easy, considering they’re technically part of it or rather they run the same systems. The closeup on Bardock is a sin though. View from Planet Vegeta? Security cameras maybe? Interior view of Goku’s Pod? We’ve seen the inside of Nappa and Vegeta’s pod from a very similar angle. Camera inside the pod for video chat? Heading towards Earth? Data logs of his ship and location of his destination. Kakarot has a mission there, since this is the old Bardock version, where Kakarot was sent there as a mission rather than safety.
such a shame that the new Broly Movie already ruined Bardock and everything that made him a great character. Now people have to like Minus because Toriyama is pushing that story as "canon" and the "canon"tards won't mind. Now there is just another plothole in the manga.
@@M3rtyville Dragon Ball Minus doesn't actually contradict anything that was depicted in the original manga. Just because DB Minus didn't show Bardock confronting Freeza does not mean it didn't happen. And guess what, I was right. DB Broly shows Bardock attempting to push back Freeza's Death Ball. Really the only contradiction I can think of is that Bardock's outfit was changed.
@@12227UserName Well actually Bardock's confrontation with Frieza no longer happen. In the new movie, he doesn't confront Frieza at all, just fires a blast at his Supernova to try and stop it, meanwhile in the original story, he fought through Frieza's entire army, all the way up into space and personally confronted him. Frieza didn't even throw the Supernova till Bardock tried to shoot him.
@@kiddfaz That's not how the ORIGINAL story went. In the original, he did in fact confront Freeza and that's more or less all we know. But that said, it doesn't even show in the original manga him firing a ki blast. DB Minus' interpretation is nearly no different than what was ORIGINALLY depicted in the manga. Biggest difference is that Burdock's armor is different. Also, the film's backstory is a bit short and feels somewhat rushed. It's quite possible that there's additional scenes that may be added in an extended version of the film. Or possibly the anime Super might expand on it.
Cooler is definitely stronger then Frieza. 1. In the daizenchu, it confirms Cooler is stronger then Frieza when talking about 4th form Cooler. 2. Goku outright says when Cooler is transforming that he is stronger then Frieza. Plus Master Roshi says Goku has been training hard, which implies after defeating Frieza and going straight back to earth, he trained before Cooler came. Also don't forget that Goku got a zenkia boost during the movie.
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@@albangarepresentAR To answer all of your questions: 1: Goku did not get gravely injured during his fight with Frieza. Zenkai boosts are gained when you're beaten half to death, yet Goku was still standing and could have kept fighting, so no Zenkai boost there. 2. This film is set in an alternative timeline where Goku killed Frieza, and returned straight to Earth after leaving Namek. He never goes to Yardrat to learn how to teleport, and he doesn't have control over the Super Saiyan form like he demonstrates to Future Trunks. In this movie, he had to get mad to go Super Saiyan again. 3. I know what their power levels are, in the original video, I list their power levels. So after the first 2 points I made, it doesn't make sense that Cooler can't put up much of a fight against Goku despite being more than twice as strong as both SSJ Goku and Frieza combined.
Freiza isn’t stronger. The movie is supposed to take place AFTER goku fights freiza. He would have gotten a zenkai boost since then making him stronger
I’m guessing Cooler got inspired by that one scene in Spaceballs where the bad guys use the VHS tape of the film that is on right now to find the heroes.
5:50: I like to imagine that Cooler and his armored squadron just assumed that Goku, the first adult saiyan they saw, was the one who killed Frieza, with them being completely unaware Future Trunks was the one who actually killed him.
Goku Must of Trained alot that is how he can Fight Cooler like that and going Super Sayian is 50 Times His Base form Yeah I can See Final Form Cooler Being Screwed.
Cooler is watching the Bardock Special on 4 screens because he is a pimp. Cooler should have trained for 4 month before going to earth. Perhaps he wouldn't have been killed. 3:21 probably the same way Sorbet learned that Goku defeated Majin Buu and knows that he is stronger than Frieza for some fucking reason. Yeah, a being that caused heavoc over 1 million years ago but stayed on earth after awakening for 1 day and then teleporting to Kaioshin planet was enough to gather all the information required to warn Frieza about it.
Sorbet learned of Goku defeating Majin Boo due to spy cameras. That was specifically stated. Also, it's not unlikely that people knew that a Saiyan killed Freeza. Vegeta was known for rebelling against Freeza hence Cui was ordered to kill him. And the Special Ginyu Force had scouters. So if their battle with Goku had been recorded at all, Freeza's men would have likely known about him. Not to mention that in Yo! Son Goku and Friend's return, Tarble states that he heard from a Namekian that they killed Freeza.
13:12 to be fair Goku did well against Frieza until Frieza went up to 50% of his power. I feel Cooler just skipped through that and went to his more powerful form instead
13:27- to be perfectly clear Goku has gotten way more stronger than his fight on Namek and if you remember in the end of DBZ Goku at his base form was fighting the reincarnation of buu. Basically Goku's base power has dramatically increased from his previous fight experience and the Zankai boost as he was on exhausted after that fight and he crash landed on Yadrat
There should've been a sin for the fact that of all the times Chi Chi wanted Goku to realize Gohan had homework, when Goku tells Gohan to finish his homework, Chi Chi thinks there's something wrong with him? I think Chi Chi is the one that's turning into a vegetabe.
Actually this could fit into the 3-year training Gap before the Androids arrive I mean they had three years it Chichi could have cut it back to the Bowl shape look and before the Androids arrive it could have changed back to it looking long and Shaggy but hey that's my two cents.☺️🙂
@@scrollingdownonlytofindcom2663 still not a good reason because you could just drag it out while goku is still ssj, just like how broly had goku go ssj the whole time
@@sidecharacter3193 Goku fought broly for a while without turning sjj. The movie fits. Ur evidence is circumstantial (hair, didn’t transform right away, blah blah)
14:50 Imagine if Broly appeared out of fucking nowhere and beat the shit out of both of Cooler and Goku. That'd be hilarious even if it was anticlimactic.
I wish they brought him back properly. Everyone gets resurrected except Grandpa Gohan, Master Mutaito and a few humans who got shot in the original series.
You know, I just thought about this. Dore's talking about Piccolo not being on his own planet where he belongs, but I'm about 95% sure Dore isn't even on his own planet. What a fucking hypocrite.
The movie does note that Goku has gotten stronger than he was when he defeated Frieza. So it's less that Cooler is weak and more that Goku is a lot stronger than he was against Frieza.
A couple things: 1. Cooler's 4th Form is weaker than Frieza's. He clarifies this in both Dub and Sub. Frieza is a prodigy. Cooler trains. 2. Frieza got bodied in the manga no diff and this Goku is stronger.
14:49 Not that I mind this, but let me guess you switched to the English Dub version with the Japanese soundtrack, just so it's easier to hear Cooler. Right?
@@Gardetrace I see. Almost a year ago, I saw Fusion Reborn late on a animated show based animated movie night in English Dub with the American soundtrack, and there were parts where the music was too loud to the point where it was kind of hard to understand what characters were saying, but for some reason, I haven't had this problem any of the other times I saw that whole movie, and those other times were also in English Dub with the American soundtrack. Weird, huh? Maybe, it's because every other time I saw that whole movie was on DVD, where as when I saw the movie on that one movie night, I was watching it online on my phone with headphones on. Or maybe, it's because I got more used to the syncing.
@@jadenmckinney5590 The VHS and DVDs actually sound better. I have Cooler's Revenge on both and I haven't had the sound issues I have with the Blu-Ray. Also, the Blu-Ray replaces Karin's line where he asks Yajirobe what's a bean daddy with a line that's out of place, yet Yajirobe responds as if the line's unchanged.
@@Gardetrace Yeah, I recorded Cooler's Revenge off of Adult Swim for the DVR, one time, and when I saw the recording, the Japanese soundtrack felt so weird to me, because I was a lot more used to the version with the American soundtrack. I was also wondering what happened to Korin asking Yajirobe "What's a Bean Daddy?".
I think the reason why Goku is so much stronger than Cooler is because of Zenkai Boosts. One after his recovery from fighting Freeza and another after healing from the "death beam"
@@Gardetrace I guess he thought your voice was a little too slow? I'm not too sure, but I kind of agree with him that putting it on 1.25 speed was a better experience. Editing this comment because I wasn't trying to be rude just so you know. I still like your content.
At 5:05 this guy said how can they not detect cooler's men when they could detect frieza and his father and where they were going to land. Trunks got to them first.
No, "Saiyan" is pronounced "SIGH-yahn," exactly as it's spelled. "Saiyan" in Japanese is "Saiya-jin" (Saiya people). Think of a sai (Rafael's weapons) or Sai from Naruto. We don't call them "says," do we? If it was pronounced the way people think, it would be spelled "Seiyan." Think of the anime "Saint Seiya." Funimation's dub mispronounces "Saiyan" just like they mispronounce "Kaio-Ken." For DB Kai, they correct "Kaio-Ken's" pronunciation, but "Saiyan's" wasn't changed likely because it's so ingrained in the minds of Westerners.
Gardetrace ohhhh ok see I grew up on funimation so I get it also thanks for explaining the j in ssj came from ok also I kinda knew they was saying kaioken wrong since it didn't sound like it's spelled
Piccolo can regenerate lost body parts which explains why only his shirt was damaged by salzas ki blade and his he survived the explosion from cooler, but how did he do it so fast?
You count Cooler arrogantly presuming that a single Saiyan wouldn't be a threat as a sin? How does that work when it's part of his character flaw, they even bring this up at the end.
The thing that pissed me off about this movie was he couldn’t control super saiyan ....after he shown trunks he could control it. And saiyans get stronger after each battle so that’s why goku can fight him at base form.
To my guess what roshi really said at 1:38 is "GOKU DO YOU MIND AM TRYING TO READ MY FUCKING HENTAI IN PEACE DO YA KAMEHAMEHA SOMEWHERE ELSE!" Or i could be wrong
This is the version of Goku who killed Freiza and king cold on earth. He is strong enough to fight trunks and stop his sword with his fingers. Freiza stood no chance against trunks.
@@Gardetrace i don't like to use power levels as an argument because they are bullsh1 but i will try. Ssj namek Goku was stated "officially" (at least the most plausible power level) as a 150.000.000, while 100% Freezer as a 120.000.000, only 30.000.000 of difference that could sound too few but 30.000.000 still an huge power level during the Freezer's saga. Supposed that 5th Cooler is stronger than 100% Freezer, the difference could be even few, maybe Cooler is 130.000.000, but if ssj Goku with 150.000.000 and 100% Freezer were capable to fight even equal at some point with 30.000.000 of difference, i think Goku must be stronger than Namek (not too much) and i think that the Zenkai boost theory works, so Goku should be something like 180.000.000 power level.
The reason why Goku is kicking Cooler's ass in his 3rd transformed state is because he has had a year of training or more since facing Freiza, at this point he was evenly strong as Future trunks who ONE SHOT Mecha Freiza, who was supposed to be much stronger than his full organic self. So it should stand to reason that if Cooler was the one fighting Goku on Namek, Goku would have gotten wrecked and super saiyan would not help against Cooler's final form.
This film was created before the reveal of Trunks. It takes place right after the events of Namek but before the introduction of Trunks. These films are not meant to be cannon. The reason Goku was able to be on par with Cooler's 4th form is because 1.) It's stated that Goku got stronger 2.) It's clearly stated that Cooler is inferior to his brother.
@@12227UserName Is it really stated that Cooler is inferior? Because I remember Cooler saying he would have killed Freiza himself sooner or later, Freiza did have the edge, until Cooler found his final form.
Cooler got caught by surprise, since Goku punches THROUGH a rock. Followed by the fact that he can take those hits without dying or impeding his movement. All of this added to him not truly taking Goku seriously enough... Goku can kick his ass for a few seconds.
I feel like a lot of things you made sins for weren't even considered sins- like, Cooler said that he shouldn't "be behind schedule to deal with Frieza's mistakes", you said it could come back to bite him in the ass, and that was apparently counted as a sin-? Another one, after Cooler shot death beams form his eyes - yes, those were a variation of a death beam - he shot at the water because he was trying to hit/kill Goku and Gohan if they were there... Basically, I'm trying to say that a lot of the 'sins' weren't actually sins. (also, I won't say anything about the name pronouncing, you aren't wrong on that at least-) Also, he didn't go Super Saiyan until the end because he couldn't, in this non-canon timeline, I guess Goku came back from yardrat...early? I'm not sure myself- Anyway, it's because he couldn't do it at will yet.
Okay i have to disagree with the sins for it being non canon, it’s specifically stated they aren’t canon which everyone knows so I don’t see why that needs to be a sin
Everyone, shut the fuck up about how I pronounce "Saiyan" and "Gero."
@@basedpota
I know, right?
I'm not against how you pronounce it, people do it differently
The way u say sayian is how you say it in Japanese
Where is vegeta?
Not to be an asshole but just remember fucking zenkai boost
I really wish they had shown flashbacks of Frieza and Cooler's sibling rivalry. I also kinda wish Vegeta was in this movie.
I agree about showing Cooler and Frieza's sibling rivalry. The only time Cooler and Frieza are shown together is in "Plan To Eradicate the Saiyans."
As for Vegeta, he'd be out of place in this movie, especially considering he hasn't officially joined the good guys yet during this time. He does in the next Cooler movie.
Gardetrace Oh yeah. Speaking of "Plan To Eradicate The Saiyans", I wish FUNimation would dub that OVA already. Along with "Yo Son Goku And His Friends Return". Another thing I liked about "Plan To Eradicate The Saiyans" was the fact that it was also the first time we see Vegeta and Turles on screen together.
@@Gardetrace
I don't see how Vegeta would've been out of place. It wouldn't matter if he had officially joined the good guys during this time period. We all know that Vegeta had no problem siding with Kuririn, Gohan, Piccolo and Goku when they were faced against Freeza. It'd be no different in this scenerio. And he was already living on Earth right after the battle on Namek.
It gives him a bad boy/cool guy vibe for not showing up. Plus he would have just been easily beaten up like in all the other dbz movies
@@Gardetrace So Vegeta is out in space training to become a Super Saiyan during Cooler first assault on Earth? If that is the case, why Vegeta has not encountered Cooler yet?
I see more Super Shredder in Cooler's 5th form then Predator.
"Does that look like Frieza to you?"
To be fair, Frieza's transformations after the first one look pretty different from one another, so it wouldn't surprise me if that somehow was him.
Plus, like he said, Piccolo never saw his first form.
Cooler only needs a few good men .
Frieza has a whole army
I always thought he meant his 5th instead of his 4th fourth.
Well, I mean Cooler has 5 forms, but he transforms only 4 times since his base form is not really a transformation.
Cooler‘s True Form is weaker than Frieza but his 5th Form not. But Cooler makes a mistake by giving Goku a chance to get a Zenkai boost which makes his Super Saiyan much stronger than when he fight Frieza. But never mind that since it’s not gonna save this movie sin total.
It's also worth noting that Goku and Piccolo would've seemingly begun training for the Androids at this point. That, on top of Goku's zenkai and the fact that Cooler was hardly even fighting back, makes the whole sequence a lot .ore reasonable in context.
Also Goku has a tendency to bs, when experiencing a new form. I think he was still figuring out Friezas new form, also. Goku being Goku, as he was in Resurrection F, kinda letting Frieza run out his stamina concocting a plan to vanquish him, a la Muhammad Ali, in some his match then hitting his version of the rope a dope.
It is also true that canonically the movie counterparts are stronger than the anime/manga counterparts.
No Zenkai boost, Goku ssj was simply stronger than Cooler. The fact that Cooler said his final form was stronger than Freezer one, doesn't mean nothing, the difference would be very minimal and even Mecha Freeza said that he was stronger than the last fight in namek and than he get beaten by ssj future Trunks with one move. In my opinion last form Cooler is equal to Mecha Freezer and weaker than 100% Freezer. Just remember that the official power level until namek saga, states 100% full power Freeza with a power level of 120.000.000 and ssj goku 150.000.000. 30.000.000 of difference between both that in the Freeza saga still an huge power level, in fact it is the power level of Goku base form fighting Freezer. But besides the numbers and power level that are not a sure and right parameter of comparison, what i am trying to say is that the difference could be even minimal and not huge like some people think.
That’s not true at all. Goku got a huge Zenkai boost after fighting Frieza. He almost died
Which means Cooler fought a stronger base Goku
You could say goku was training which is why base goku beat up 4th form cooler and ssj goku fights 5th form cooler
Retype:
Goku most likely trained throughout that time period, thus the reason why Base Goku was on par and could even fight even with 4th Form Cooler, this applys to Super Saiyan aswell, given it's a multiplier
3:58 from Vegeta’s grand tour across the galaxy~! When he was looking for Goku out in space while Goku was training on Yardrat. He was saying at every Frieza Planet he went to “I’m looking for the Saiyan that was raised on Earth. His name is Kakarot but he goes by the earthling name Goku. He’s a super Saiyan that defeated Frieza. You haven’t seen or heard of him? Hmm. Ok, thanks, die~”
15:44 Goku got zenkai boosts and trained since Frieza ✨💅
Re-watching this made me realise: In the Japanese version and some of the promotional material didn't Cooler only want to kill Goku for killing Freiza beacuse Cooler himself was planning on doing that? But what about the dub? Was it a case of family honor?
The dub changed it to family honor
? In the japanese original, Cooler wanted to kill Goku because he smeared his family's name with mud, he had no interest to avenge Freeza
I believe in both it had to do with honor
@@schemar17 In the Dub is also established by Cooler himself that he also wanted to kill Freezer
Tbf his death beam doesn't have to be the same as his brother. Eyes that kill, that makes him Cooler 😎
Gard says "Cyan" instead of "Saiyan" Sin level: 1. Gard says Dr. "Garro" instead of "Gero" we're gonna add an extra 10 points for how ugly it sounds. Sin level: 11
Cooler’s men accessing the technology of the Frieza Force should be easy, considering they’re technically part of it or rather they run the same systems. The closeup on Bardock is a sin though.
View from Planet Vegeta? Security cameras maybe?
Interior view of Goku’s Pod? We’ve seen the inside of Nappa and Vegeta’s pod from a very similar angle. Camera inside the pod for video chat?
Heading towards Earth? Data logs of his ship and location of his destination. Kakarot has a mission there, since this is the old Bardock version, where Kakarot was sent there as a mission rather than safety.
What about the other stuff?
Also, cooler was toying with goku before the transformation.
such a shame that the new Broly Movie already ruined Bardock and everything that made him a great character. Now people have to like Minus because Toriyama is pushing that story as "canon" and the "canon"tards won't mind. Now there is just another plothole in the manga.
M3rtyville how do you know if Bardock is any different besides his appearance?
Because it is based on his Dragon Ball Minus counterpart. Have you read it?
@@M3rtyville
Dragon Ball Minus doesn't actually contradict anything that was depicted in the original manga. Just because DB Minus didn't show Bardock confronting Freeza does not mean it didn't happen. And guess what, I was right. DB Broly shows Bardock attempting to push back Freeza's Death Ball. Really the only contradiction I can think of is that Bardock's outfit was changed.
@@12227UserName
Well actually Bardock's confrontation with Frieza no longer happen. In the new movie, he doesn't confront Frieza at all, just fires a blast at his Supernova to try and stop it, meanwhile in the original story, he fought through Frieza's entire army, all the way up into space and personally confronted him. Frieza didn't even throw the Supernova till Bardock tried to shoot him.
@@kiddfaz
That's not how the ORIGINAL story went. In the original, he did in fact confront Freeza and that's more or less all we know. But that said, it doesn't even show in the original manga him firing a ki blast.
DB Minus' interpretation is nearly no different than what was ORIGINALLY depicted in the manga. Biggest difference is that Burdock's armor is different. Also, the film's backstory is a bit short and feels somewhat rushed. It's quite possible that there's additional scenes that may be added in an extended version of the film. Or possibly the anime Super might expand on it.
Nah you not getting Goku joke about the fish size is a sin for you so this whole video is non cannon now
Ain’t gonna lie… 3-4 of the dbz movies of this time had the best soundtrack of any movie ever, RIP the OG singer of drowning pool
14:54
Cooler:So this is what the Legendary Super Saiyan is supposed to be? What a laugh!
Broly:Did someone say Legendary Super Saiyan?
97Orochi the Demonic Angel97 SSJ BROLY SMASH FREIZA LOOK ALIKE
Big Bang kamahama hah!
Cool frieza better not call carrot the legendary giga nigga 9000 (props to cjdachamp for that) only I can be that
Drowning Pool is awesome
Hell yeah!
Cooler is definitely stronger then Frieza.
1. In the daizenchu, it confirms Cooler is stronger then Frieza when talking about 4th form Cooler.
2. Goku outright says when Cooler is transforming that he is stronger then Frieza.
Plus Master Roshi says Goku has been training hard, which implies after defeating Frieza and going straight back to earth, he trained before Cooler came. Also don't forget that Goku got a zenkia boost during the movie.
Cooler says that Frieza had advantage.
Frieza reached god level in just 4 months
@@007dalal That's was the english dub, in the sub he never said that. Simply said he'll deafeat Goku.
The Hulk + Yamcha + Armor = Dore
Also, I have respect for people who enjoys rock music; like you.
@Azura Takahashi ???
So your just gonna ignore Goku going ssj to the Deftones? Ok then.......
Its everything wrong not good.
@@jarnmer-l4i which sometimes deletes a sin when something good happens.......... Such as the drowning pool scene...........
@@stoner63reflex65 but bro leave him alone.
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go for it, the moment your subscribers will know at least 1,000 will surport you.
When u added 10 sins ur logic didnt make any sense this is a stronger than ever goku this is after yardrat so he would destroy cooler
Coolers power level is 470m and friezas power level is 120m whos stronger
@@albangarepresentAR
To answer all of your questions:
1: Goku did not get gravely injured during his fight with Frieza. Zenkai boosts are gained when you're beaten half to death, yet Goku was still standing and could have kept fighting, so no Zenkai boost there.
2. This film is set in an alternative timeline where Goku killed Frieza, and returned straight to Earth after leaving Namek. He never goes to Yardrat to learn how to teleport, and he doesn't have control over the Super Saiyan form like he demonstrates to Future Trunks. In this movie, he had to get mad to go Super Saiyan again.
3. I know what their power levels are, in the original video, I list their power levels. So after the first 2 points I made, it doesn't make sense that Cooler can't put up much of a fight against Goku despite being more than twice as strong as both SSJ Goku and Frieza combined.
@@Gardetrace its said by master roshi hes even stronger than he was when he fought freeza in the sub version
Movie Goku is built different. I'd say in this movie base form goku would be stronger than frieza. Then super saiyan applies the 50 times multiplier.
Goku using Kaioken against Cooler expecting it to work it was worthless against Frieza what made him think it'll work now?
Goku's stronger now than he was then? And to be fair, kkx20 did pressure Freiza quite a bit.
@Minh Le Finally someone who knows the shit
Wasn’t canon
Frieza may be stronger than Cooler... but Cooler is still _Cooler._
Freiza isn’t stronger. The movie is supposed to take place AFTER goku fights freiza. He would have gotten a zenkai boost since then making him stronger
@@theautisticbeaver4885 I know, I just thought it'd be funny to type that.
I’m guessing Cooler got inspired by that one scene in Spaceballs where the bad guys use the VHS tape of the film that is on right now to find the heroes.
5:50: I like to imagine that Cooler and his armored squadron just assumed that Goku, the first adult saiyan they saw, was the one who killed Frieza, with them being completely unaware Future Trunks was the one who actually killed him.
Gardetrace: "Does the audience care about Icarus at this point?"
Me: "I do."
Congratulations, you're the only one.
@@Gardetrace 😂😂😂 SAVAGE
Goku Must of Trained alot that is how he can Fight Cooler like that and going Super Sayian is 50 Times His Base form Yeah I can See Final Form Cooler Being Screwed.
chichi u made a drink for gohan...
WHY DID U DRINK IT
Cooler is watching the Bardock Special on 4 screens because he is a pimp.
Cooler should have trained for 4 month before going to earth. Perhaps he wouldn't have been killed.
3:21 probably the same way Sorbet learned that Goku defeated Majin Buu and knows that he is stronger than Frieza for some fucking reason. Yeah, a being that caused heavoc over 1 million years ago but stayed on earth after awakening for 1 day and then teleporting to Kaioshin planet was enough to gather all the information required to warn Frieza about it.
makes sense
Sorbet learned of Goku defeating Majin Boo due to spy cameras. That was specifically stated.
Also, it's not unlikely that people knew that a Saiyan killed Freeza. Vegeta was known for rebelling against Freeza hence Cui was ordered to kill him. And the Special Ginyu Force had scouters. So if their battle with Goku had been recorded at all, Freeza's men would have likely known about him. Not to mention that in Yo! Son Goku and Friend's return, Tarble states that he heard from a Namekian that they killed Freeza.
13:12 to be fair Goku did well against Frieza until Frieza went up to 50% of his power. I feel Cooler just skipped through that and went to his more powerful form instead
13:27- to be perfectly clear Goku has gotten way more stronger than his fight on Namek and if you remember in the end of DBZ Goku at his base form was fighting the reincarnation of buu. Basically Goku's base power has dramatically increased from his previous fight experience and the Zankai boost as he was on exhausted after that fight and he crash landed on Yadrat
3:38 There's an answer but one the film isn't telling us, just because you don't have that information doesn't mean it's a problem with this film
you can't say any of the names right and there should only be like 10 sins but I guess you wanna be CinemaSins
The way he says saiyan 🤣... of all things
But it’s because he does it on purpose
@@katusakirocks5630 is it tho
Oosty Yes-it on purpose
Oosty i think
17:37 I will see you in Space Hell, cousin Jeice
Cooler: "its just a baby"
Me: "yea its not like its gonna destroy your entire bloodline or anything"
Technically he didn't.
Trunks did most of the work.
@@chaserred4155 ah ah but if it werent for Goku, Vegeta wouldve destroyed earth and thus Trunks wouldnt be born
So retroactively Vegeta did the heavy lifting by even setting this into motion?
Raditz just started a domino effect.
Well how could he know it only had power level of 2
@@joestarjester6011 hindsight is 20 20
There should've been a sin for the fact that of all the times Chi Chi wanted Goku to realize Gohan had homework, when Goku tells Gohan to finish his homework, Chi Chi thinks there's something wrong with him? I think Chi Chi is the one that's turning into a vegetabe.
Chichi realizes Goku is acting out of character. Characterization is not a sin.
Actually this could fit into the 3-year training Gap before the Androids arrive I mean they had three years it Chichi could have cut it back to the Bowl shape look and before the Androids arrive it could have changed back to it looking long and Shaggy but hey that's my two cents.☺️🙂
But then why would goku use the kaioken instead of ssj against cooler
@@sidecharacter3193 To drag out the movie's runtime.
@@scrollingdownonlytofindcom2663 still not a good reason because you could just drag it out while goku is still ssj, just like how broly had goku go ssj the whole time
@@sidecharacter3193 He did the same thing against meta cooler on New Namek.
So I think the padding theory might be true
@@sidecharacter3193 Goku fought broly for a while without turning sjj. The movie fits. Ur evidence is circumstantial (hair, didn’t transform right away, blah blah)
Cooler wanted to lay low I guess
8:05-8:06 I love the way you said "Scouters suck".
The EWW Broly films are going to be so good
Damn right.
8:25 Goku is a Disney princess
Yep.
Oh look, it's Snow White.
14:44 that sin remove was perfectly timed 😁👌
Why am I finding this so late? Props for all the meme references
Thanks and welcome to my channel!
14:50
Imagine if Broly appeared out of fucking nowhere and beat the shit out of both of Cooler and Goku.
That'd be hilarious even if it was anticlimactic.
Lol
The Music is this Movie is so underrated
You are in outer space, what day are you referring to . lol
Just to give a little context, Cooler is Stronger than his little brother its just Goku increased his power level like you said power are bullshit.
True, plus, Goku literally just got a Zenkai boost.
I wish they brought him back properly. Everyone gets resurrected except Grandpa Gohan, Master Mutaito and a few humans who got shot in the original series.
i think the reason that goku is kicking cooler ass so eazily is because of the stupid saiyan zenkai boost
*"ArE yOu GoNnA dOo-DoO tHeM oUt?"*
You know, I just thought about this. Dore's talking about Piccolo not being on his own planet where he belongs, but I'm about 95% sure Dore isn't even on his own planet. What a fucking hypocrite.
I always wondered if this is after Frieza and Super Saiyan where was Vegeta during this?
The movie does note that Goku has gotten stronger than he was when he defeated Frieza. So it's less that Cooler is weak and more that Goku is a lot stronger than he was against Frieza.
Lemme guess copyright?
Yep.
They Were Brothers?
Duh.
@@Gardetrace Language.
@@grungusjarvis9911
English.
Yeah, What Does That Make You, A Comedian?
@@Gardetrace Hey, I'm Asking You A Question, Are You A Comedian?
13:28 Goku trained in between Coolers revenge 1 sin
0:57 probably a day on the frost demon home planet.
What's a frost demon?
@@Gardetrace apparently that’s what Cell called the Frieza CAC in xenoverse even tho I doubt that’s what they’re actually called
Sin 91 .....Goku had a senkai boost
Love you everything wrong with videos and very funny😁😂
this video was fucking amazing. great job
Thank you!
A couple things:
1. Cooler's 4th Form is weaker than Frieza's. He clarifies this in both Dub and Sub. Frieza is a prodigy. Cooler trains.
2. Frieza got bodied in the manga no diff and this Goku is stronger.
14:49
Not that I mind this, but let me guess you switched to the English Dub version with the Japanese soundtrack, just so it's easier to hear Cooler.
Right?
Yep. The Blu-Ray audio mixing is terrible. The music overpowers the audio.
@@Gardetrace I see.
Almost a year ago, I saw Fusion Reborn late on a animated show based animated movie night in English Dub with the American soundtrack, and there were parts where the music was too loud to the point where it was kind of hard to understand what characters were saying, but for some reason, I haven't had this problem any of the other times I saw that whole movie, and those other times were also in English Dub with the American soundtrack.
Weird, huh?
Maybe, it's because every other time I saw that whole movie was on DVD, where as when I saw the movie on that one movie night, I was watching it online on my phone with headphones on.
Or maybe, it's because I got more used to the syncing.
@@jadenmckinney5590
The VHS and DVDs actually sound better. I have Cooler's Revenge on both and I haven't had the sound issues I have with the Blu-Ray. Also, the Blu-Ray replaces Karin's line where he asks Yajirobe what's a bean daddy with a line that's out of place, yet Yajirobe responds as if the line's unchanged.
@@Gardetrace Yeah, I recorded Cooler's Revenge off of Adult Swim for the DVR, one time, and when I saw the recording, the Japanese soundtrack felt so weird to me, because I was a lot more used to the version with the American soundtrack.
I was also wondering what happened to Korin asking Yajirobe "What's a Bean Daddy?".
I love how he said fuck that killed me XD 4:44
You have to realize Goku has gotten stronger since his fight with Frieza, which why his base form and super Saiyan out powered cooler
I think the reason why Goku is so much stronger than Cooler is because of Zenkai Boosts. One after his recovery from fighting Freeza and another after healing from the "death beam"
Putting it on 1.25× speed makes it a lot better
How?
@@Gardetrace I guess he thought your voice was a little too slow? I'm not too sure, but I kind of agree with him that putting it on 1.25 speed was a better experience.
Editing this comment because I wasn't trying to be rude just so you know. I still like your content.
@@bichimadorable9697
Well, I'm not a motor mouth like Jeremy from CinemaSins is, I'm talking at a normal pace. But it's whatever.
@@Gardetrace that could be it actually. Maybe we're to used to that motor mouth thing. Prefer you tho. Easier to take it all in.
Cooler's forms are actually more close to the shredder from tmnt rather than the predator
They bot the DVD for the OVA 0:30
At 5:05 this guy said how can they not detect cooler's men when they could detect frieza and his father and where they were going to land. Trunks got to them first.
13:36 cooler is weaker than Frieza but he found a 5th transformation that increased his power instead of suppress it.
Lord Slug
Cooler's Revenge
The 1st 2 Broly Movies got Goated Music
Yep.
7:33; Icarus likely smelled their scent, as you can see that his nose is twitching. Also, Goku & Gohan are likely suppressed to hide from scouters.
isn't the i in saiyan silent just asking
No, "Saiyan" is pronounced "SIGH-yahn," exactly as it's spelled. "Saiyan" in Japanese is "Saiya-jin" (Saiya people). Think of a sai (Rafael's weapons) or Sai from Naruto. We don't call them "says," do we? If it was pronounced the way people think, it would be spelled "Seiyan." Think of the anime "Saint Seiya." Funimation's dub mispronounces "Saiyan" just like they mispronounce "Kaio-Ken." For DB Kai, they correct "Kaio-Ken's" pronunciation, but "Saiyan's" wasn't changed likely because it's so ingrained in the minds of Westerners.
Gardetrace ohhhh ok see I grew up on funimation so I get it also thanks for explaining the j in ssj came from ok also I kinda knew they was saying kaioken wrong since it didn't sound like it's spelled
All the 7 sins they were using scouters and looking at footage of the scouters and GPS.
Piccolo can regenerate lost body parts which explains why only his shirt was damaged by salzas ki blade and his he survived the explosion from cooler, but how did he do it so fast?
Frieza’s Golden Form was meant to mock Super Saiyans. Lack of ingenuity is was a side effect.
You count Cooler arrogantly presuming that a single Saiyan wouldn't be a threat as a sin? How does that work when it's part of his character flaw, they even bring this up at the end.
Old video is old. There are so many things I would've done differently if I made it recently.
The way you pronounced Dr.Gero lmfao
That's how it's actually pronounced.
well he actually pronounced it right. English dub pronounced the name wrong
Cuz they have highteck technology
Of course they can see thru the pod
Lazy explanation is lazy.
Thats all the info you gotta know
The thing that pissed me off about this movie was he couldn’t control super saiyan ....after he shown trunks he could control it.
And saiyans get stronger after each battle so that’s why goku can fight him at base form.
It wasn’t cannon
(TFS) Dodge, Bitch! Get out the way!
To my guess what roshi really said at 1:38 is "GOKU DO YOU MIND AM TRYING TO READ MY FUCKING HENTAI IN PEACE DO YA KAMEHAMEHA SOMEWHERE ELSE!" Or i could be wrong
That's actually close to what he said in the Japanese version.
This is the version of Goku who killed Freiza and king cold on earth. He is strong enough to fight trunks and stop his sword with his fingers. Freiza stood no chance against trunks.
No, it's not. That part of the story was written yet at this point.
@@Gardetrace i don't like to use power levels as an argument because they are bullsh1 but i will try. Ssj namek Goku was stated "officially" (at least the most plausible power level) as a 150.000.000, while 100% Freezer as a 120.000.000, only 30.000.000 of difference that could sound too few but 30.000.000 still an huge power level during the Freezer's saga. Supposed that 5th Cooler is stronger than 100% Freezer, the difference could be even few, maybe Cooler is 130.000.000, but if ssj Goku with 150.000.000 and 100% Freezer were capable to fight even equal at some point with 30.000.000 of difference, i think Goku must be stronger than Namek (not too much) and i think that the Zenkai boost theory works, so Goku should be something like 180.000.000 power level.
Light takes 7 minutes to reach earth traveling at 12 million miles a minute.
The movie is just uncanon and inexplicable
The reason why Goku is kicking Cooler's ass in his 3rd transformed state is because he has had a year of training or more since facing Freiza, at this point he was evenly strong as Future trunks who ONE SHOT Mecha Freiza, who was supposed to be much stronger than his full organic self.
So it should stand to reason that if Cooler was the one fighting Goku on Namek, Goku would have gotten wrecked and super saiyan would not help against Cooler's final form.
This film was created before the reveal of Trunks. It takes place right after the events of Namek but before the introduction of Trunks. These films are not meant to be cannon.
The reason Goku was able to be on par with Cooler's 4th form is because 1.) It's stated that Goku got stronger 2.) It's clearly stated that Cooler is inferior to his brother.
@@12227UserName Is it really stated that Cooler is inferior? Because I remember Cooler saying he would have killed Freiza himself sooner or later, Freiza did have the edge, until Cooler found his final form.
@@dickgori2623
Right. I meant he was inferior in his 4th form. He was obviously suppose to be superior in his 5th form in the film.
What song was playing @18:42?
"Plowed" by Sponge.
Thanks.
Cooler got caught by surprise, since Goku punches THROUGH a rock. Followed by the fact that he can take those hits without dying or impeding his movement. All of this added to him not truly taking Goku seriously enough... Goku can kick his ass for a few seconds.
Um Goku fought Coola after coming bacc to Earth after training on Yardrat.
2:42 chi chi really shouldn’t be surprised when goku was younger he thought marriage was some sort of food 🤣
Yeah lol
You do realize Goku trained after his fight on earth and super saiyan Goku also got stronger but nice video
18:51 That is a classic meme. Thanks for bringing back my childhood.
Despite this movie’s problems; you have to admit Cooler’s voice is kick-ass.
I feel like a lot of things you made sins for weren't even considered sins-
like, Cooler said that he shouldn't "be behind schedule to deal with Frieza's mistakes", you said it could come back to bite him in the ass, and that was apparently counted as a sin-? Another one, after Cooler shot death beams form his eyes - yes, those were a variation of a death beam - he shot at the water because he was trying to hit/kill Goku and Gohan if they were there...
Basically, I'm trying to say that a lot of the 'sins' weren't actually sins.
(also, I won't say anything about the name pronouncing, you aren't wrong on that at least-)
Also, he didn't go Super Saiyan until the end because he couldn't, in this non-canon timeline, I guess Goku came back from yardrat...early? I'm not sure myself- Anyway, it's because he couldn't do it at will yet.
At least remove half the total sins for the awesome soundtrack
I also wanna state cell has Friezas cells and gero mentions he's fallowed Goku since the Saiyan saga through a spy big he had following him
You can't even say sayain RIGHT...
You can't spell "Saiyan" right and Funimation can't pronounce it right.
@@GardetraceI'm sorry did I piss you off there sir :)
@@Gardetrace Lol
Okay i have to disagree with the sins for it being non canon, it’s specifically stated they aren’t canon which everyone knows so I don’t see why that needs to be a sin