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Hi. I am currently doing senior secondary school and about to go into college with subjects like accountancy,business studies,economics in school. How difficult will it be to go for a management information system degree ? I have no IT background so can I do it ? Will it require high level of coding or IT skills ?
15:59 what's the song Shane
Also you should not have to spend 5 years in university by the time you finished highschool we already spent enough time in education. By the time my kids are 25 years old I want to see them completely finished with school ,working full-time, and have 5 kids . Get on with your life . I know people who in school full time until they were 30 YEARS OLD !!!!
Hello. I’m supposed to choose a university/college really soon, so I was wondering if you could make a video talking about agriculture please 🙏🏼 it would really help me alooot. Pleeeeeaaasssseee
Where are timelapses?
Gender Studies isn't just a waste of money. It can have a negative effect on job prospects. Putting Gender Studies on your resume could be a red flag to employers that you're a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Gender studies students are also a huuuuggee red flag, never date them, TRUST ME
But it's so politically correct!
@@JohnSmith-zw8vpit is a waste..... Unsless you make contact with teachers.... Or side up with organizations...
And it will ruin your ability to have a normal romantic relationship.
The Flashgitz feminazi video just entered my head
If I was hiring, "gender studies" would definitely kick you down the ladder
A Pro Tip :
If you want to do Geology, Environmental Science, Soil Science, Mineral Processing, Forestry etc dont do those degrees just pursue a degree in Civil Engineering then get a specialization certificate.
These fields are well covered by Engineering.
Geology is a really good degree for oil and gas though
@@Crocodile2873 Yes. Do civil or mechanical engineering for bachelors and geology degree for masters.
Environmental Science is actually a good major now though bc sustainability analysts/ sustainability consultants are growing in demand
My bachelor's is in Forestry, and I got a master's in Forestry, then now I am working in chemical engineering sector. Anyway, I got a full scholarship for all degrees I obtained. Sometimes it is about how you do with yourself, not about the system.
How about a degree in mining engineering is that good
I was a profoundly lucky individual who bought into this lie, but just so happened to find math and physics the most interesting, so now I'm a data scientist.
Wow
Is business data analytics worth it
@@aena5995 I honestly don't know. My PhD is in math and I never took business data analytics.
Feel this. I was lucky enough to be into computers, so I got a CS degree and went into data analytics too.
@@wolfworks7339 Same.
When I was in college one of my dorm friends was getting his BA in history. He came from a family of firefighters, dad, uncle, granddad etc. He told me when he finished college he was going back to Boston to become a firefighter. I asked if his career goal was to be a firefighter why was he getting a degree in history. He said, "I'm getting it for me."
What an idiot
I mean I want a degree in fashion design at FIT for me even if I don’t ever make a dime but I’m in the military. The idea is it’s your dream but u still gotta eat
@@librarianrose4472 I totally understand and respect to want to learn and proof your skill in a science, art or field. But getting into debts and being unproductive in your career for multiple years is something different.
As someone in the military you maybe understand this, I had my cushy staff position in the end of my service, but did a lot of my infatry stuff just because I wanted to know the art of war figting and yeah proof myself...
"...and delaying the start of my actual career for four years, and paying this college instead of getting paid as a firefighter."
Honestly, he could have gone to the academy straight out of high school, finished up his career with a nice retirement, and then gone to college.
That’s some of Boston’s shit btw, town is full of the colleges and young people can think that they need to get a degree to be successful just as a human not professional. Capitalism machine as its best. Once I went the club with my friend and the waiter said he studied at Boston University and I asked him what did he study there and works here because BU education is so damn expensive and his answer was “Theology “. My mind was blown at the moment 😅
I'm in a masters in psychology program and I hate to say I'm starting to agree with this.
Are you able to switch to counseling or social work? I finished my masters and counseling in order to attain licensure. But BS in psychology got me no nowhere :/
I feel like psychology is a good subject to take. But it’s a soft skill. You might be more patient or understanding or might develop valuable set of soft skills learning this but you might not be able to do hard skills like accounting, finances, taxes, etc. I think that’s why it’s a bad major. But from here in Thailand, most work requires soft skills so these major are well respected in here. There are HIGH competition though. For example, communication art is a well respected major here in Thailand. But it’s like, saturated and it’s very competitive. You have to be the most charismatic person if you wanna do well. So, yeah, there you have it
Im sorry for your loss
I am a clinical Social Worker, I don’t even take Interns with psychology major unless in their doctorate
@@leticiabeltran9274 I would have but since my degree is general I was told if I do it would be like doing another masters on top of that. I feel like I'm too far in. I'm wishing I would have stayed in nursing.
40 years ago, my Dad told me "college is fine, just don't let it interfere with your education". This thought has been expressed by many others at different points in history and in different ways and always rings true. It seems that a college education costs more today than ever, but its value seems to be worth less today than ever. Don't rush in.
Considering how a lot of elite colleges have gone. A college degree is an official certificate for stupidity.
Aaaaand, I have just stolen that. Thank you.
Well there’s journal access. And… journal access.
Your father has his opinions, but you are inaccurate in saying that the value of a college degree is worthless. It ties directly into market saturation and college now being see as the *must have, instead of it being a path you truly want to take. If you are basing your education solely on the amount of money it will net you, then you truly have no business going to college in the first place.
as the highest paid people in the entire West, by and large, have college degrees from the best universities in the world.
Got my undergrad in psych and worked in the mall. Went back to school, got my masters in counseling, got my license and now i have my own private practice making over 100k per year. Its only a waste if you have no plans past undergrad
so true
I would say it’s a waste if you don’t supplement your degree with relevant experience
@Nhan Vu with psych experience is mostly irrelevant unless u have a masters better if you are licensed. With only an undergrad you can basically only work in non profit with a masters no license you may be able to work in a school setting or as an adjunct professor.
Exactly!
Yes, Shane said that somewhere. That there are some degrees that are only good if you add graduate school.
“Most of my friends are artistic” well guess what most of mine are autistic
💀
I’m sorry but with an art degree, your getting nowhere
@@ammarisrar2005unless you combine it with a psychology major maybe
and mine are acoustic
Mine are archaic then...
If you find you got a useless degree, just apply at an insurance company. They just require a degree to promote past entry level. Doesn't matter which one.
Agree.
Yes. I have a biz degree but we literally just require a degree. I'm 28 and make 6 figures
@Lenci Vargas may i know what kind of job you have that got you to 6 figures? with just your business degree
Yeah but who wants to do that, really?
@@jacobpickos733 it can be fun. I don’t work in insurance anymore but I uncovered an entire fraud ring operating in four different states. The FBI got involved, people got arrested. And it was just a rush of adrenaline. My mother still works in insurance and she makes $120,000 a year and she doesn’t even have a degree
I agree, only problem is: some companies simply won't employ you if you don't have a degree, even if you have prior work experience.
You're right found this 4x , in my life. Like that once I saw who I'd be working with, glad I was excluded. Seemed more of a pitty hire.
Joined military, got out, traveled around, worked, lived in 5 states. Am 50 now. Happy we'll adapted.
The part that bothered most was the chemistry grades , that I worked with , in plants and fast food.
There was a story I read about a woman at a law firm who lied on her cv saying she had a degree when she did not in order to get the job. They employed her and she was there best employee, hard working and always delivering good work. They only found out about the lie because they wanted to promote her and decided then to check her degree. They fired her after find out the truth.
@@samday414 That would not work for the jobs I have gotten. EVERY single one of my jobs has required official transcripts from me.
@@samday414 meritocracy my ass
RE:TheFiddle101. Yeah, companies have become so lazy that they have pawned it off on colleges to certify that someone is worth hiring instead of the companies doing their own research, testing and investigation to determine who is qualified.
If I owned a company I would much rather hire someone without a degree than someone with one unless the job was one requiring some technical knowledge. There are far too many students who are too lazy to work and are non-productive so they would rather get a worthless degree than actually go to work.
My daughter was told her degree in English was a worthless effort unless she wanted to be a school teacher. With her degree she started off as a proof reader then as an editor then went independent. She has a long client list and is constantly busy. She get offered a full time job nearly once a month that she routinely turns down. The trick? Strive for excellence. Too many college grads cannot write a coherent paragraph much less a coherent sentence. That is why companies outsource the writing/editing of important documents to skilled independents.
My first degree was in English. I achieved the highest grade possible - in the UK that is an Upper First Class with Honours. I was invited to interview for jobs in the military, the civil service and industry, without having to apply, not because of the subject I studied but, as one interviewer pointed out, due to the fact I had demonstrated the capacity to achieve at the highest level and if I needed to learn new skills it was obvious I could. I declined the job offers and continued my education, after which I travelled around the world for a few years before establishing my own, very successful, business. While running that business I completed a Masters and then a Doctorate in Education, not because I needed to, but because I wanted to. I retired, comfortably, at the age of 50.
Welcome to the AI era
English degrees are not useless which is why it was not on the list. People who can write are needed in every company and as you said, an English major can teach...both english and ESL. It's actually one of the more practical degrees.
This is before ChatGPT... After ChatGPT4 is released, the world of writing/editing has been changed...
I used proof readers and paid them... until 2022. AI can do for free and better. Hope your daughter continue to strive.
I tried to get a puppetry degree, thinking I would become the Master of Puppets. I'll let you know if I ever do.
I heard the democratic party is hiring. You really don't need a degree though, it's skin color, race, gender etc that gets you in the puppet program there.
I tried the kite flying degree ended up with the ramen noodle diet
My dreams where shattered when I found out an astronomie degree doesnt make you master of the universe
My teacher gave me the best advice. As a child, I was a natural artist (the class artist) but also blessed to be really good with the STEM courses in high school, and it was very confusing and complex to choose & commit to a career at 18 years old. I was trying to decide between an engineering (the more secure option) or a more artsy degree (seemed more interesting but had no promise of security). When I asked her what I should choose, she said, "Do what you need to do so you can do what you want." I interpreted that as "choose to engineering as it will provide the stability you need, so you can have the luxury to explore art or whatever you want (if I want)."
Looking back, I am happy I took her wise advice.
Now people are telling me engineering degree is a bad idea because it's oversaturated... I'm so lost😢
@@timelessutopia2840there is a lot of competition, but there is always jobs, you just need to find the one
@@timelessutopia2840I see the same thing. It seems like almost every degree is both good and bad.
dang, this is the situation i feel like im in. im leaning towards bio med, bio engineering, or cell / molecular bio. but it feels like everything bio related is useless without a phd or masters 😭i can see myself working in the marketing or advertisement side of a bio company, or someone who makes scientific illustrations / models biological systems?? or maybe i'll completely diverge and do pharmacy haha
@@user-v8y7w Dont listen to these people, my sister got a bachelors in mechanical and was hired by ford fresh out. Certain fields may be oversaturated so please please dont listen to these people and do some research!
I got a useless degree and went on to a career teaching the useless degree.
Which is?
@@datboi5298teacher or professor
@@datboi5298 A pyramid scheme.
@@cyancyborg1477just to let you know, i was on the toilet while watching this video and your comment made me laugh so hard it cleared my stomach and my outsides are now covered with toilet water.
Thanks
There are only so many teaching positions available unless there is exponential population growth
I majored in Media Studies because I was a huge fan of video editing in high school and when I told my guidence counseler that's what I wanted to do he basically just said "oh that's basically film, which is media studies here".
I learned some interesting things about news analysis which is *nice* to know but not worth the price. As far as my actual passion, they didn't teach me anything I didn't know in 10th grade from just poking around in sony vegas/after effects in my bedroom... I ended up making a solid career as a vfx/motion graphics editors, but not from anything I learned in college unfortunately. I think they need to be more upfront with students about what exactly you're going to be learning in certain majors.
Where did you work for and how often were you working? Was it project to project or?? I’m studying that right now and I’m scared it won’t get me anywhere. I’m from nj planning to go to CA for it.
I’m thinking of switching majors because of how bleak it looks. Any feedback helps lol
BRO, IM IN NEARLY THE EXACT SAME POSITION. Is there any way I can contact you for question? I'm currently a freshman at my state college, and the way you described you experience literally describes how I feel right now.
Please help this guy.☝
@@joeyb3889 yeah man you can dm me anyt questions!
I found that in a worthless course I randomly took as an elective on digital technologies for media. The university stopped offering it but at least I was only down a future $1k for it
Sometimes it's difficult to hear the truth. Thanks for speaking the truth.
My father got a bachelor's degree in psychology in the 1950s. He applied for jobs afterwards and in one interview he was asked, "You have a degree in psychology, so what else do you do?" He went back to academia and got his PhD, and became a police psychologist.
You can study law with a bachelor in psychology.
Why did he think he could do anything at that level with just the bachelors ? Glad he went back and finished his degree.
@@detroitfunk313 I'm not really sure, I never asked him. That moment happened some years before I was born. It was my mother who relayed it to me right around the time I began my first college courses as a part-time student, and may have been her way to get me to think more critically about what degree to major in.
@@mathiasbartl903
*You can study law, with almost any degree*
*Usually, people major in English or Political Science*
*I had to laugh, when I saw one Comedian(Jewish) said whenever you talk to a Jewish lawyer, realize you are talking to someone who couldn't get into Medical School*
@@mathiasbartl903 *During my under grad, I worked at the University(35,000 FTE students), trained as a "peer" counselor for prospective students*
*Tell them about Univ requirements ( Major+ GE + Writing skills exam,,,etc)*
*That's who told me English, Poly Sci*
*I always wonder if people with Poly Sci degrees are just Law students who didn't finish...*
*Like Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry....*
Colleges need to be held accountable for pushing degrees that can’t pay for themselves
And for charging sh**loads of money for tuition and books when they get millions of dollars of donations.
More like the idiots who pay loads without any real plan for investment should be accountable for themselves.
How about kids learn to use a job search website.
They can even do this on their phone, now!
If there are no jobs being offered for the degree they "want", just don't do it.
If this doesn't scream anti-intellectualism, I don't know what does
Why? Seriously, if you are dumb enough to give someone money for nothing, then it's a you problem.
For people avoiding degrees or careers they're interested in because of mathematics, don't, learning them on your own time as an adult and in a better environment is way better than learning math in let's say highschool
Math is everywhere, can't avoid it
Yeah, the problem is they overcomplicate math and expect us to be like some kind of prodigy human calculator lol
The main reason I didn't choose astrophysics. it's my dream career, but I'll try mechanical engineering first.
@VeiserexAB they dont overcomolicate it. Simply put It is complicated. If you think the problem is the teachers expect you to be a prodigy human calculator you are wrong. They expect you to be able to learn the complicated math. Your job later will ABSOLUTELY depend on it. As a kid i used to complain "when the heck am i ever going to need this stuff?" The answer? EVERY freaking day. Learn your math as early as possible. Pay attention and FORCE yourself to learn it. Its 10000% easier to learn it as a kid in high school than as an adult when you're required to know it in order to do your job well as an adult. I 10000% regret not paying attention more as a kid to my math teachers and this is coming from someone who did realtively well in math.
@@PJP1112 well good for you
25 years ago I went to a friends daughter's graduation in a big basketball gymnasium. We sat in the upper seats. The floor was covered with folding chairs. About 3,000. They began calling individual degrees to come to the stage to get their diplomas. 1 engineer, 3 biologist, 2 chemist, 6 history, 11 art,... After 1-1/2 hours only about 100 had been awarded. I thought this will take a couple of days. Finally they asked all the psychology majors to stand. It appeared that everyone on the gym floor stood up. You couldn't see the 100 still seated. They pronounced them graduated and sent them to stand in several lines at the door to pick up their diplomas as they left. All of them were now qualified to do no more than the very same job they were already qualified for before they started college.
Each graduate had spent 4 years of effort, about 100k$ each. So that group represented about 300 million dollars wasted.
There were many amenities at the college. Most of those graduates just lived the highest standard of living they will likely experience for the rest of their lives.
THAT was absolutely COLD...and dead on.
Something to remember about college costs. When the Federal Government-backed student loans this was the signal to colleges to boost costs to students AND vastly increase the number of administrators. Colleges are now a mess.
Yes...colleges & universities have become real estate companies -
but students do not benefit from the profiteering - students pay University mortgage fees
"Game of Loans" is a good video on this topic.
My brother got a degree in Journalism and minored in English. Ended up working for UPS for 30 years.
Sounds about right. I graduated in Information Systems and couldn't find a job in that and became a recruiter, Technical recruiter and then help desk tier 2 later on. While others who had crappy majors went to take my type of jobs in IT via nepotism and being in the right cliques.
Yeah, well I got a degree in philosophy and learned how to read and write, not just take a multiple choice exam. I have been a technical writer for many years and have had a successful career.
At least he can read and properly identify street addresses
He must not have had any idea what he wanted to do with said degree. My brother also got a degree in journalism, now he works at a school as a career counselor because it was incredibly hard to get into media like he wanted.
@@greenleafyman1028they want people to teach English over there
It's the language of BUSINESS
WORLDWIDE🌍🌎🌏
I enjoyed hearing you unleash your opinion with much less of a filter than usual.
What you said about art school was so true.
It's a lot of money for something you could just get for free in online courses
For example: I used a free online drawing course for a few months and improved my anatomy significantly enough to make a portfolio to get into art school. I thought it would expand my drawing and make me more creative but they weren't teaching me anything useful. I attended for a bit before I withdrew as soon as I realized it was a waste of money. The proof being that I learned more in less time for free using publicly available resources
I studied nutrition and dietetics for 4 years and had a master's degree in clinical nutrition. I couldn't find a job so I took a 3 months course on social media marketing. Now I work for a big company as a social media manager. I wish I knew what I know now back then.
@IAm Nana Nagatsuki If I didn’t live in a red state I would so get certified in nutrition through a online course and open up a business. Instead I’m going to just open up a fitness business and hopefully bring on a team of nutritionists
@@iBeautifulDisaterx3 unfortunately it's in Greek
@IAm Nana Nagatsuki i had my own business but I live in a small island with a lot of other nutritionists. Most of us work in another field now
@@stellapetrou are you still paying off your debt?
@@ll499 in my country we can study for free or pay very little like 10.000 euros
I was never told college is the ONLY way to be successful. A college degree does increase the odds of being successful. Also, bachelor degree was never supposed to make you an expert meant to be employed at a high wage. A Bachelor's degree is supposed to give you some professional knowledge but more importantly the ability to utilize critical analysis for decision making.
What a joke. Most students gain absolutely none of this, except for the ones that are going to have useful skills anyway (engineering, computer science etc.).
This is a cope that perpetuates the scam.
A university degree is very useful and lucrative if your studying medicine, engineering, law, computer science ect. It’s pointless taking a degree just because you like the subject when you can self teach it as an extra curricular activity or interest.
It only makes sense for a rich person to study a subject as a degree for fun. The rest of us have bills to pay. 💸
@@willwooten95 Thank you for saying that!! You just made me feel a lot better!!
@@LevelUP84 Funny how if I switch the degrees around the argument still works. If you said something like music or art I would've totally agreed based on bias. But honestly, today you can learn anything online/on your own. University just gives you a straight path, reliable resources so you don't get missinformed by accident and the professors themselves can also explain any concept that you had been struggling with
a degree doesnt change your chances at all. the entire use for a degree is to either become qualified via credential or to look cool. there are no other uses for them.
My wife and I raised our kids in private schools in South Australia and could see that none of them are university material, so we encouraged them to get a trade , they are succeeding quite well and earning really good wages ,and they don't have any kind of educational debt
These days most college students, graduates and professors aren't "university material" either.
I agree, I have advised young and middle aged people to go to bicycle college, it runs 6 to 8 weeks you can work as an apprentice for at least a year at minimum wage or less. They make $25 to $45 an hour. I see people coming out of college with their paper and working minimum wages an trying to pay off their student loans.
Good parenting!
A friend of mine was a bartender 3 years ago. Some college. Very smart, ambitious and centered. He took a job as a plumber apprentice, and is now a journeyman making 80K a year and working on his masters, which will be $120+ a year. All in 3 years.
Only the useful idiots go to those 100K paper mills. They deserve to be in debt for the rest of their life. I have no pity for the silly, lazy and sub IQ masses.
Skilled Trades Electrician in US auto industry here. Yup we make good money. Making more than US congressman year after year is a reality since the great recession.
I majored in a "useless" degree but it allowed me to live in Europe so I have no regrets.
What degree was it?
20 years ago, cluelessly, I picked electrical engineering not knowing what I should do with my life, turned out to be the best thing I could have picked for current times, I'm in the field of automation so the work experience heavily lean into mechanical and software engineering as well and there's always a shortage of people like me who are skilled in 3 types of engineering, I get head hunters every week asking if I want to jump ship for higher pay. I did that for a while but now I'm settled in and just climbing the ladder at one place.
Me to :)
Back in 1996 my then boyfriend studied electrical engineering at age 18. His first job was working for the Australian Bureau of Meteorology as an electronics technician. From that, he applied for a post in Antarctica with the Bureau and got it. He did two years at Davis base by age 25. He went to the US for a job, then to Africa. All with the Bureau. Its a great job to get into. I myself studied a master's in linguistics and have travelled the world doing interpreter work. I'm 53 today and am winding down towards retirement.
@@drc3po with all that tesla going on you know lol
@@williamlyons3947 no such thing, we be the ones designing and maintaining AI, plus we have to go to site and make adjustments on the fly which AI isn't capable to do for a long while.
Linux engineer here.
Completely agree.
The contact requests on LinkedIn for people who need to fill a really high paying job are getting to the level of harassment.
I imagine this is how being an actual female human being on a dating site feels.
While Shane is right about Biology being a useless degree in general, the key thing is this: You have to SPECIALIZE. Which is what I ultimately plan to do. With Biology, you can become a medical lab scientist if you specialize in that and you can also specialize in Medical Sonography if you get into the program and participate in the clinical and get your license/certifications. (AKA Ultrasound) Even though to become an Ultrasound sonographer, you ultimately need an Associate degree to work in the field, but for some people, it might work out,
A biology degree is a very useless degree but a specific degree off of the branch of biology is the way to go. I agree with this statement, it is so true.
I used to play runescape with a guy who majored in biology.
@@MistaGSpecialEducationNeuroscience/CS is deh weh.
I work at a university in the TV industry behind the scenes. I have no degree and no more debt (my house is paid off. I have been doing this for twenty five years. Every year we get new interns who look down on me, because I do the grunt work, know two different operating systems for computers, know several editing systems, numerous art programs for creating graphics (NOT bound by the chains of M!crosoft). People come. People go. My job remains the same. The person with the communications degree telling me what to do is always changing.
Learned more in the first few weeks in the Army than a few years of college
I know it's a long time ago, but a kid worked for me about 30 years ago in a mall. He was going to art school. His mother was a great artist. I didn't think it was useless. And it actually was valuable. He became an illustrator for high school science textbooks.
How many of those jobs are there?
Extremely small job opening for something like that, even less now beacuae things are mostly digital now
exceptions don't disprove the rule, for 99% of people an art degree is useless
@@Wano_9then the job would be the same… textbook illustrator but virtually
People fundamentally misunderstand what a degree is supposed to do for you; a degree is NOT a pathway to a job. A degree is a way for you to widen your knowledge in a specific subject, for you to meet new people, and to learn how to be an adult. Jobs like people with degrees because it's a guarantee that 1. they're knowledgeable in that subject and 2. they have the commitment to stick to something for 4 years. That's literally all there is to it.
My folks wanted me to go to school to work in IT. The thing was a huge portion of the people I went to high school with were going to do that. I decided to become a diesel technician. No one wanted to do that. Out of my class of 110, I can count on one hand how many became tradesmen. Despite my dad telling me I was making a mistake, it was one of the best decisions I had ever made. I love what I do. Everyone is born with a gift, I honestly believe fixing things is mine. Unfortunately parents and public schools do a pretty shit job at allowing kids to find what their gift is, they either are not given the opportunity to try things, or certain careers are discouraged. My dad was a self employed contractor, when he was younger he worked in a truck garage, and he did body work. As a kid I was surrounded by tools and equipment. He was always bringing home stuff for my brother and I to take apart and mess around with. I got my first wood lathe when I was 10. My brother and I had a side business doing woodworking and craft shows. The price tag of a college degree is quickly becoming so large that even in good paying careers the wages are not enough to offset the cost of the education.
California is full of incompetent "tradesmen" because shop classes have been cancelled and kids who could be good skilled workers are being shunted into worthless degree programs. Politics are behind this.
A trade pays. A diploma leads to burger king... A degree matters in the 1960s
That's tangible, niche skill.
Terry: But the price is still worth an 8 year longer lifetime on average.
The issue with schools is that being a teacher is (by the standards of things the economy needs) a pretty terrible job.
So you've got the people who are teaching useless things, for whom teaching is the reasonable pinnacle of their career.
You've got the people teaching valuable things who couldn't cut it in their actual field (your math teacher should be having money thrown at it)
Neither of these lends itself to giving good advice.
And while they can train teachers in these in demand fields, the best ones will get an offer that's a huge improvement on being a teacher and leave.
Hard L on biology degrees. there's literally tons of labs that hire for biology. Maybe this is an issue if you don't live geographically near any laboratories.
Biotechnology & Bioinformatics are niche careers that pay well but is not talked about enough
Exactly overviewing biology because of speculating that technology will take over is a bad take. We as a species will indeed improve our tech. in the future but it will take a lot of decades until it will be considered to overtake biology. There are also many improvements to be made on our knowledge and utilization of biology that will also improve in conjuction with tech. improvements. Telling young students to discard the persuit of any field of science because it is "usless" in the eyes of a misinformed individual is very dangerous.
Lab jobs really don't pay much and you're just a set of hands. You're not driving the direction of any of the research. It's kind of the default for bio majors that didn't get into med school. Lab tech or high school science teacher
@@j2zel well u go ahead and keep thinking that and ill go ahead and keep making money with my bio degree. lmao
@@j2zel lab jobs pay 60k-90k median salary if you think thats bad for just a 4 year ba then you are crazy
So glad i didn't go to college, at first i felt left behind by my friends believing going to college made them a better then the friendship we had, now hearing them struggle after they're behavior priceless.
Accurate video. I studied psychology and now I'm working as a low paid school counselor.
Who conned you to study that? Anyone warned you not to study that degree?
@@vincentc7920 no one, as an 18 years old student i was not familiar with job market, i thought psychologists can makes as physicians, i also loved it as i have a philosophical mind.
@@solidsnake5398damn I’m sorry about that I was literally just considering it because I’m always searching and helping people mentally is something that I would love to do but yk I try to do research before jumping into it
Where do you live?
I finished college 1 year ago and i make 3x my expenses, work only 12 hours a week and from home.
Granted that i choose to still live with my parents so that cuts many expenses, but i also don't push myself to work more than i find necessary, and i am undercutting the therapy market by a good margin, so i could make a lot more if i doubled my work and my price.
There is just that much people looking for therapy.
Good for you! Counseling is a worthy calling.
I got a dual associates (double majored) in Psychology and Behavioral/Social Sciences and I'm so glad I changed majors when I transferred to university. I ended up switching to Business Administration with a concentration in Technology and Operations Management. I'll be graduating the Fall of this year. Best decision I ever made in college period. I don't regret it at all.
Just make sure you realise that a double major is not a dual associates, that would be getting two seperate degrees
@@milomitchener4166 Yes I realize that! But interestingly enough I was actually given two separate diplomas for both majors. That's why I said dual associates by accident 😅😅
@@Casso510 wow nice
Is business data analytics worth it
Do u have a job yet? Where do you plan to work? Asking bc I'm thinking about changing my psychology major
When I graduated from high school I spent four years in the Navy. That was a very smart decision since going to college right after high school would probably have been a big waste of money and time. The Navy taught me discipline, life shills, and also showed me what I wanted todo in life. After the Navy I went to college with money from the Navy and graduated with an electrical engineering degree. That proved to be a very good choice and I’ve never regretted it for a minute.
Also how to storm the Capitol in support of Trump.
One of the best degrees to get!
@@draneym2003 What the hell are you talking about? What does a college degree have to do with Trump or storming the capital? Are you some kind of paranoid leftist?
Not all are suited with that life though.
@@draneym2003 Are you proud of childish snark? Do you imagine that remark witty and insightful? Good for you.
People get useless degrees because 1) They washed out of another major. 2) To avoid flunking out. 3) To appease their parents.
And this is why I’m double majoring in Biology and Chemistry. It’ll help me get into forensics and med/vet school depending on what I want to do
no man, chose or chemistry or medicine or veterinary, and honor your commitment
@@lisbang Terrible advice. First of all, you can't get into med or vet school without an undergrad degree, and no, pre-med and pre-vet aren't actually degrees; they're just pathways to a graduate degree. And this person has decided that their undergrad degree(s) of choice will be bio and chem. Plus, it's always a good idea to keep your options open. Like Shane stresses in this video, most 17-18 year olds have no idea what they want to do with the rest of their lives. Choosing a path that leads to many other paths is perfect for such people. Finally, "honor your commitment" is such bs advice in general. It comes from the capitalist force that wants to keep us bogged down and feeling like we "owe" them something. You need to wake up and realize you don't owe the system a thing. Leave places, people, objects, ideas, and beliefs if you don't feel like they're serving you. Life is too short to waste your time somewhere that you don't like and is not helping you.
@@gymnasticsgirlie0647 sorry man, here in brazil we have a 6-year med degree and a 4 year vet degree, we don't need to do a undergrad, honor your commitment because most of the 17-18 years olds are undecided about their decision, you have to choose one thing and do it without regarding. You understood it uncorrectly and wrote an useless text.
@@lisbang Um, no? If you choose one thing and end up hating it, that is a pathway to lifelong misery. I understand what you are saying perfectly. Committing to one thing doesn't mean you will be happy in the thing, just that you feel stuck there.
I doubled majored in chemistry and chemical engineering and now I make zero dollars in the comments section.
My first degree was a BS in Biology 😅 luckily I had a full scholarship.
How did you get a full scholarship?
@@fujimizuki9727 Europe... you know... UK. Ireland. etc.
Biology in my country is highly required for genetics, medicine and food research
@@XTheLolX301what is your country?
@@hattoraxu8957 Peru
I am grateful that my parents steered me into nursing. I originally wanted to major in psychology but my parents talked me out of it. As a new graduate psych nurse I make $41hr and only work 3 days a week and I love it. It is the best decision I ever made!
If I do a certificate in nursing assistant, will it be advantageous ?
@@sandrastella - A nursing assistant isn't a nurse. I was one in my late teens. Blood pressure, hang tube feeds, feed people, wash and dress them, bed pans.
It's rewarding. And back breaking, and no way up without further education.
@@christines2787 what about Emt? I'm finally doing emt
Nursing is not t that great Either with all the different personalities of patients you have to see . All the lifting and turning after Covid. Most nurses quit. U also will have to do night shift . All these degrees look great when you are learning about them because you haven’t worked yet when u start working it’s a hole other story most people end up going back to school . If your goal is to make lots of money u are better of buying a house and renting them out or buying a franchise. That’s what I did I am better of . Just buy buying real estate you will be ahead of the fame them most people .
@@AmanSS890 Can you imagine what life is like for people with degrees in Gender Studies or Lesbian Dance Theory? HAHAHAHAHAAHA
I graduated as an education student. But I ended up as a contractual graphic artist with minimum wage. I'm not really good at public speaking and my English grammar sucks .I'm not good in math either. But I'm good in drawing, cooking and gardening. I'm already contented with my life.Creativity is my strength anyway. My only problem is that I'm too shy amd got anxious in front of many people. Atleast, I'm not jobless and not begging for money.Although maybe, I will try my best to go out from my comfort zone if I really need to get a bigger salary. If I'm done with my manga projects, I will take a liscensure exam for teachers once again even if it's not my passion. Or maybe, I can take agriculture but I should improve my math and sciences.
The reality is that no degree is actually useful if you don't make it useful. That is what students in college don't really quite get, and that is why there is this false notion that these degrees are worthless. There is always worth, but it's always how you apply the information that matters. Having said that, I understand that times have changed and job markets have shifted.
I graduated UF in 96 with a history degree. I bought into the idea that my parents (who are both college educated) told me- Any degree will do. I interviewed with dozens of companies after graduation. I got ONE offer. Walmart. I put in a year and a half as an assistant manager before I quit and opened my own business. I shudder to think of what my life would be like if not for the opportunity of entrepreneurship. I doubt I would have even made it to Walmart manager- our store manager had a masters in finance from UVA. College has become a trade school, and anyone who cares about success will get a degree that prepares you for a real career. My daughter also went to UF and I pushed her toward accounting. She got her master's after 5 years and just passed the CPA exam last week. She works for a regional firm in Florida and makes over 80k a year after just 2 years. I'm very proud of her.
Same experience here. My parents were born in an age when around one in 10,000 people went to unis in their country. They got decent jobs with no difficulties, and their early managers treated university graduates like treasures. They told me any degree was good, but the problem was that I was in a time when about half the people got degrees. That obsolete piece of advice wasted me a decade.
Parents are often in a bad position to give advice. Firstly, their views are often decades old. Secondly, what they think is good usually coincides with what everyone thinks is good, and that means that the supply exceeds the demand. People who do research instead of relying on their own experience can give their kids a real headstart.
@@Y.Z-Au in my experience, parents advised children about what is safest, not what is best for them.
Your bachelor's would have taken you much further at Southeast Toyota or some other better than Walmart business, especially in your era. I know plenty of guys in corner offices and all they needed was that piece of paper, didn't matter what major.
Grandson has degree in History. Now has experience in pushing a hand truck and operating a forklift at Home Depot. 🙁
They weren't lied to about college...they were lied to about the workplace, and what it really wants.
YES
And what it really pays. What are the numbers when vp and above salaries are removed from statistical averages?
@@flinch622Insulation of the upper echelons like always?
The ones that existed FAR before this faux populism about “earning potential” became just another means of divide and conquer among the middle class…
Trevor: Nope. Students did NOT listen during freshman orientation and did NOT go to the Student Placement Office for free, career development training.
Most peoplevwho have 15+ credit hours have lifetime free career placement benefits at State higher ed where they attended and 8 years longer life expectancy.
Graduates tend to expect jobs to come automatically like promotion from middle school to high school.
Promotion onto careers are not government controlled. People have to learn how to find job openings, apply, interview, and manage career. The best jobs are no longer listed on the public internet because many employers don't want trash resumes.
@@flinch622: In our County, $80,000.
10:12 Well, that didn't age well.
I knew someone who owned a tech company. He said he learned it was better to hire an English major and teach them to program than it was to hire a programmer and teach them to write good comments on their code.
Lesson being, learn how to code, but also learn how to communicate.
So, Shakespearean comments beats using clear notations, indentations, and best practices?
A new entrant to the field will be willing to follow rote instructions, but guy who's been programming since the age of 12 out of sheer passion already has formed his own ideas. I suppose that's true. Seems to me that the latter would be a helluva lot more productive than the former, for what it's worth.
I got a degree in philosophy.. and now I'm thinking deep thoughts about getting a job.. 😁😁
(Sorry for bad english) If you do have a degree in philo, then live up to the intellectual standard and use the critical analytical tools you've learned to make it pay.
Philo=love
Sophia=knowledge
And knowledge, while being a curse, is also a source of power. In the case of philo, this power comes from being a specialist of knowledge itself and the ability to analyze rationally, influence and convince peoples/events around you.
A degree opens doors. These doors leads you to opportunities that you must seize whenever they arise. But you must be willing to risk and try and fail and try again. I also have a degree in philosophy. Don't blame your degree. If I could find a way to make it pay big time, so can you.
Good luck.
If law interests you, philosophy study can be good preparation for law school.
Ignore the naysayers.
I have a degree in philosophy too... and a career in a completely different field.
Philosophy serves me to this day. Part time work six figure income and complete control over my time. Critical thinking, convergent thinking, divergent thinking and creativity yielded wild results in my field.
I think at the bachelors level Psychology is a very flexible degree, you can translate it into so many other fields, but if you’re looking as psychology as a career you should be informed that you need at least a masters to start working in the field.
Finally someone who’s not bashing psychology. It’s what I want to go to collage for on a BA level and I also think it’ll be flexible to change I to HR or something else later on if I decide the field isn’t for me. People need to stop the hate. Just know what you’re going into, it’s not useless if you know how to use it right. Do you have a psychology BA degree?
What other fields? Gender Studies? HR is the most useless department of any company.
I'm a biologist, who was always interested in research, so a PhD was always my intention. It has worked out great for me. But you are absolutely right that from a purely financial perspective, biology is not a great choice. My motivation was never about money or career, but rather I was motivated by curiosity and a desire to explore. Biology is a great fit for certain people, and there are lots of opportunities if you are happy with pursuing a PhD. Even with a PhD, the pay is not all that stellar. But again if your motivation is not primarily financial compensation then that's okay.
Also, I didn't even start college until I was 27, and so I actually had time to figure out what I truely loved. If I were to do my life all over again, there is no way in hell I would go to college at 18 or 20.
You're right, but it does not contradict the general point of the video. Many students are funnelled into universities on the false assurance that a large investment in an undergrad degree is the wisest course of action since it will pay for itself in the long run.
I was the victim of college degree bigotry latter in my career. HS, 1965, I.Q. 142., guest speaker at MIT, Boeing, International trade shows (ITMS) , pertaining to devices I'd designed.
Motorola - 3rd interview - with regional mgr - potential project manager
Him - you need to correct your resume - dosen't list you college / degree
Me - I never went - HS only
Him - ummm - we require a degree for the position I'm offering you.
Me- Electrical Engineer?
Him - No, any 4 year degree will do.
Me - why?
Him (I'll never forget his words) It shows the stick-to-it-iveness, drive, and commitment we're looking for.
Me - 4 years Marine Corps - Sergeant - dosen't show the stick-to-it-iveness, drive, commitment , and leadership you're looking for?
Him - I guess it does
Me - So I'm hired?
Him - No.
Today I'd probably never even get the chance to prove my worth - 7 patent applications by companies I worked for.
Best teacher advice - senior year English - read the encyclopedia Britannica - EVERY BOOK including classics. Worked with me to eliminate slang and crutch words (ya know, um, ahh, like) when I spoke, and to sound educated simply by slowing down my speech - no motomouthing.
It worked - if you sound / act as people perceive an educated person should act they will assume you are.
Going to college does not make you smart - it makes you educated - there is a difference. Education and intelligence are not mutually inclusive.
It's amazing how stupid and blind some employers are by the way they hire people according to whether they check off the boxes that have little to do with their success in the role.
I've seen GPA requirements for ALL degrees as high as 3.5
A 3.0 from MIT or any other TECH school should be worth much more than a 4.0 from Neckbeard U.
"Some people are educated beyond their intelligence".
We've all known academic elitists who bask in their tier 1 pedigrees who are bereft of any critical thinking/ reasoning skills. It's aggravating.
You are correct: in todays market the interview would never have been scheduled - hr departments are a repository of the marginally qualified [often relying on software tools written by people that don't really know their business or their customers]. You touch on linguistic skills, and that is spot on: a good vocabulary & writing skills are invaluable everywhere. Having worked with the spellczech dependant and phrasing impaired, it says something when a supervisor comes to me to vet some communication: their respect is solid.
@@Look_What_You_DidI agree.
Is that you Walter Mitty?
Art degree holder here. I worked in art and design for 30 years (digital and print, web etc), no debt because when I went to school a year at Maryland was 4000 dollars. I eventually got burned out and now am working in a law adjacent field. But art degrees are NOT useless. Everything you see was designed by artists, from packaging in your grocery store to illustrations in medical books, to fine art, storyboarding, and especially games. It's one of the few practical degrees left.
@@brentpotts616 There you go, it's all what you make of it. I taught myself computer graphics including 3D and motion because when I went to school the Adobe Creative Suite, or whatever they call it now, didn't exist. Yeah I remember when Photoshop didn't have layers and was called something else. Ah the good old days of doing layout on paper. Well those days sucked! Computers revolutionized and continue to revolutionize art, including AI.
I think the key here is you need graphic art expertise. Fine art is oversaturated and requires a ton of start up effort to even have a chance. I can illustrate pretty good myself but then see the number of talented illustrators on Twitter/IG begging for work and I'm glad I didn't go the fine art path.
How employable are ORDINARY graduates TODAY who didn't get into the field years before they were even born? You're old and experienced in a field that (used to) reward that. Most "art" in a commercial sense is precisely the kitsch AI does so well.
@@brentpotts616 It almost seems that you have to have a different state of mind doing your work in graphic art and then do freelance or simply draw for a hobby if you want to draw the stuff that you initially started doing art for. Kind of like any job. How many marine biologists have to do water samples and chemistry instead of playing in a Sea World tank. You are indeed lucky if you land a job you love to go to every day. I did it for a few years but then the money ran out.
@@Comm0ut That's why there is such a massive artist backlash against AI. They see the danger indeed. I get it as it also borrows (steals) existing artist styles to actually generate AI art. Artists have to advertise online so can't keep their work completely secure, and I think AI works around watermarks.
My niece did nanny work between semesters while she was getting a degree in theater. Now that she has graduated she works as a nanny.....full-time. Definitely making more money than her fellow theater graduates. Let's face it, college is for creating teachers or more college instructors. My husband is a college professor. That's what he went to college to do, to become a college instructor himself. He's done it for over 55 years and loves it.
That is great for him!
But that is not what college is for.
When one learns from a book, then teaches by the book, the students only learn the book.
My favorite professors were ones who had years of experience in private sector positions in the field of which they were teaching. Bringing "real world" experiences into the classroom.
I respectfully disagree that college is primarily for generating more teachers and college professors.
Don't hate me but during my Ph.D. program (for neuroscience)... I pretty much TAUGHT MYSELF ACTING :P I did local community theaters and it was a great stress reliever from the grad school experience, lol.
@@mayorb3366 I'm a college life science professor BUT I definitely don't teach just by the book AND I did not get that knowledge from any "private sector position" either... I basically HAD TO teach myself nutrition from all sorts of accessible legitimate journal articles that had NOT gotten into textbooks for "controversial reasons"... in order to avoid a recurrent health problem I was having. I continued to be interested in finding "lesser known" legitimate information... and spread it all over my courses. The students absolutely love it and they've even come back months later with feedback showing me how their health has improved from the new knowledge :)
@@mayorb3366 You are making it up thinking he hasn't worked in private sector. I guess so that it fits your narrative. *shrug
@@KimberlyLetsGo There may be missing information, certainly.
But having been a professor for 55 years, assuming he began at about age 25 would put him at 80 years old.
If he managed to squeeze in any private sector employment at all, it would be very limited.
This as opposed to one of my industrial management professors who actually ran a plant for many years. He taught from a hands-on, real world perspective, not things out of chapter 5.
Buying a membership in nearest public library is best investment you can do.
I liked this within the first minute of the video. My college experience was fun and minimal cost, thanks to the Army (I'm NOT saying go do that, it's just want I wanted to do). Banged out a Bachelors in 3 years, in and out. I used that degree for what I wanted to do in the Army. It's pretty useless outside and I'm kinda stuck working in that sector.
My guidance counselors in High School were absolutely useless and pushed many in my graduating class to reach for the most prestigious universities and many of these listed degrees. Many of those people dropped out with a ton of student debt.
My recommendation is for new High School graduates, go work for a little while, even retail if just for the social experience and learning from everyone's lessons learned. THEN pick yourself a degree program, start out in a Community College (criminally underrated), then pivot into a Four Year program.
Good advice. Good video.
Also: if you like art, do it as a MINOR, because that will lead you to constructive hobbying that can play out in some side hustles (COSPLAY construction ;) ), or if anything for fun.
I got that biology degree, with no job prospects. Then I went for 4 more years to chiropractic school, but didn't have the money to start a practice. Finally, I went to trade school for HVAC and got a job maintaining building facilities. I did get a biology tutoring job when I was 60, so that did turn out eventually. Life is strange.
My understanding hvac is good you have a lot of training. Best wishes.
@@donald8354 It's going to become especially pertinent as more people upgrade to heat pumps and/or air conditioners. And people will always need heat.
They always need cooking too. Wasn’t there a way you could have partner with other chiropractors to set up a practice or be creative I know you got to have money to do it is there a program somewhere where you could have borrowed the money somewhere? Best wishes.
Back in the day when a high school diploma could get you a good job life made more sense. The strong push for college being a MUST was to keep people out of the labor market longer. My daughter wanted to be a paleontologist. We had a paleontologist over to dinner. He was head of that department in the museum. He said it's a job that is one to a city. Very rare. She went into insurance and is doing well. Look before you leap is the best advice here.
The strong "push" was when congress changed the bankruptcy laws to exclude education debt.
That started the avalanche of crooks, thieves and liberalism, why liberalism? Because any ijioit can get a libural farts degree with no work or IQ. Then they are in debt for life.
By any chance was that paleontologist named Ross Geller? 😛
A High School diploma 50 years ago was worth more than many a PhD today. I know PhD's who are doing menial jobs.
It all started with the supreme court's decision in the deBake (sp?) case that said that affirmative action was necessary to achieve diversity even if it's racist. Discrimination against whites was ok. Then it was ok to discriminate against anyone who has brains and a job. Now it's the jews turn.
From that single racist/woke decision you have the dumbing down of the schools, of jobs, and a culture of woke in everything.
Thank you for this comment. I unfortunately have a psychology degree and I'm getting my p&c insurance license now! I was very iffy on the subject until I came across your post. ❤️❤️❤️
I got a degree in Chemistry. I left college not owing a cent in loans. Now I'm 68 yo, I retired young, and I'm now a multimillionaire ... by working a standard 8 to 5 job that I loved and doing smart money management. Moral of story. Follow your passion in college ... but only if its a marketable skill.
I was middle-aged when I finally knew what I wanted to do and what would make money. By then I was also highly motivated. I was 42 when I earned my bachelors and 50 when I earned my doctorate; I worked full-time. No, I don't have any of the degrees you've named here, but at 18 I did briefly try majoring in psychology. I'm 70 and feel sorry for young people today who are being fed so much BS by high school and college counselors; it's criminal.
Agreed, brother boomer.
I'm 57 still don't know what i want to do, by the time i do i will be retired LOL
Mysterion: The students get TOLD during freshman orientation to use the Student Placement Office for career development!
The students don't listen. They don't go look at the BLS Occupational Outlook Handbook or buy a cheap, used copy. They don't know they probably have free, lifetime benefits at the Student Placement Office, including the job bank.
They don't know 4 year degree holders NEVER have to be without work if they will teach full or part time.
They don't know to go to ANY city hall, county executive building, or Secretary of State Office and ask for the list of contract wirk to bid on.
I could spend lifetimes just listing the basics of career development options to people, and it is a thank less effort.
2 minutes out of my College Counselors office,I came to THIS CONCLUSION..... It was " Heresy" at the time and STILL is............
@@PossibleLifeLines The Placement Office at my university was useless. Absolutely useless. Did NOTHING for us. I begged them for help in the year after I graduated and hit a wall. They sent not ONE lead, reference, or anything at all; zero help.
IF you are going to college for strictly financial return on investment reasons, I would say this video is useful. But I think choosing a major based on these metrics is flawed, you will be miserable in a entry 70k a year job if you have no interest in the work. It’s best to find a middle ground between passion and prospects.
No one major fits all and it’s good to have your expectations in check before graduation.
Also, this video frames working retail as a bad thing but some people legitimately love working at these places AND some get paid more than you’d think.
@@Jiminy-trx The Side quests nobody talks about.
Nobody wants to be in poverty thanks to useless degrees
I'm now in the middle of my psychology undergraduate degree program and I feel like I've been scammed. The good thing is it's a scholarship and I can be quite debt free anytime. The bad thing is that I have one more year to graduate and feel like I'm gonna waste it all.
with just a BS you can work in community mental health, HR, or research.
@@rockymaffitt3345 or UX
If you keep going to grad school on a licensure track you will be okay
Thats why i chose to only to do the it as a minor, not my main program
Same man, my exact story, no clue what I wanted to do out of high school so chose psychology, I’m lucky because of grants/ scholarships I’m able to graduate after this coming year debt free, but fuck I kind of knew it was a useless degree but of course my parents just insisted I get any degree at least and so that’s what I’ve done. I was awful at science/ math courses in high school, so didn’t exactly have many prime options for university degrees.
I have a Masters in IT/ computer science and got laid off 5 times, 2010, 2011, 2015, 2022, and 2023.
My salary started in $130k then down to $40k and now $55k.
Moral of the story is: NO ONE WANTS TO PAY FOR THE COST!
NO ONE!!!
Avoid college period!
People are greedy by nature.
I have an AAS in IT and I was very lucky to be able to pay off the loan relatively quickly. However, the school I went to was shut down for misleading students on job placement rates, lying to the government, and predatory loans that they knew people couldn't pay off. I haven't worked an IT job in at least a decade after "graduation". I really should have listened to my friend who told me to get into the trades, but I'd had enough of tradespeople after my first two jobs.
I distinctly remember day 1 of college for my mechanical engineering degree. The class was "Intro to Engineering" and included every type of engineering student (mechanical, electrical, civil, computer, nuclear, etc.). The very first thing that professor said was "good morning, you are not going to learn your job here. Your degree will teach you some fundamentals of the engineering and design process, a lot of difficult math and science, and some related lab functions. Your degree will show that you can learn difficult things and solve problems, but you will learn your job every day for the rest of your life." That was the first of many classes to thin the herd
If he's so self aware can he not change things up?
My engineering prof told us we would focus in our careers to 15minutes of one lecture. It wasn't exactly true but I understand it.
@johndor7793 no, he can't change it because he can't change the fact that engineering is a process and it is ever changing. It isn't a given set of facts we can memorize and be done
He is a smart man.
@@DownWithBureaucracy Not true. He can't change it because he would need to change the whole education system, which is near impossible to do. If it weren't for that, it could actually be possible to prepare someone for their job.
Biology is actually a way towards pharamacy or pharmacology path. It also helps get into a medical field because a person needs to have a college degree into that field. Communication degrees are very helpful in sales and marketing. Also, it is very hard to determine what college degree should be teaching. For example, accounting has very good job prospects and one way to advance is to get a CPA. However, CPA requires a university degree. Does it mean accountng will always be in demand and the artificial intelligence will not replace it or make it obsolete? I personally, do not know. However, some degrees are hard to find a job with. One of them I would add a criminal justice degree.
My nephew has a criminal justice degree and he is in medical sales and doing well.
@donald8354 , good for him, but his case only proves the point: he left the field where he was studying for and moved to another one. Is his work related to his study? I know some people who graduated with a criminal justice degree and every one of them had to work in unrelated fields.
This was not negative at all, you were telling it like it is. I went to community college and got a useless degree (Sociology) got the courses I needed then went to an overpriced online school. Then I got a master's in education. All this so I could travel the world as an ESL teacher. That useless piece of paper did open doors for me in Asia, Not Big Money, small money but I got to travel the world. In all honesty though, I learned next to nothing in University and I learned Everything by Experience.
I work in China with my psychology degree and travel a lot
Very good analysis of psychology degrees!
I'm so glad I'm in the trades. Never had to worry about a useless degree and I'm paid to learn.
Yup, my plumber friend started out making basic wages of around $18 hr 3 years ago, and is now making $40. What a deal.
Exactly! competent plumbers, electricians, carpenters, builders and roofers will never be short of work. And most earn more that college professors with a PhD in 'grievance studies' and the like.
Good for you. Trades are always in demand and often offer higher salaries and better benefits.
@@tomclark8019 And they're generally better company in the bargain.
We need more tradesmen.
…as a history major I can say I don’t work in “history” but the degree has been 100% useful in business.
The biggest lesson from History is that no one learns from History. Those of us who study History are doomed to watch those around us repeat it. 🤔😳
I got a history degree and then an MBA. The history degree allowed me to excel beyond many of my peers who were accounting majors. In part it was because of my knowledge of cultures (I was in international business), combined with something history teaches very well - cause and effect.
History is a basic degree. A great base degree for law, business, & others.
Walmart, Waffle House, Target, a janitor at the local school. Such grand opportunities.
@@newenglandpatriot4069 actually it (history degrees) is a great degree for a lot of things. Government, including "intelligence" services, law, anything having to do with international relations, ministerial, to name a few
If I had to do it again, instead of getting a masters in social work followed by a JD and coming out with $125k of debt, I would have tried to become a plumber.
Yes, they make way more than we do with our fancy degrees.
I would suggest A/C work; it's the simplest and easiest job that pays the best.
@@mutteringmale yes but it's seasonal, even here in Florida where it's always warm.
@@chiarac3833 No they don't. Their median salary is $60k which is also around the median HH income in the US
@@chiarac3833 Tell that to the orange growers.
I have a bachelor's in psych and this is something that nobody talks about during your undergrad which, looking back, feels like a conscious ominous by colleges.
Fortunately, there are jobs that pay well in mental health that only require bachelors. Unfortunately, unless you know the right keywords to search, finding these jobs are damn near impossible.
With the rise and people seeking mental health treatment, you would think that those trying to enter the field would be given this information at some point but nope. Finding one of these positions is akin to finding every Waldo in a Where's Waldo book.
okay well, what are the keywords?
@@alyssayu5161 "Mental health worker" specifically "family-based" or "ESFT."
I wish i could save UA-cam comments
@@orion_paxx Why's that?
this comment section is free game, hours of research in about 10 minutes of reading@@kristin3872
Wow, this one was BASED!
The bit at 11:01-12:14 was absolutely EPIC! Probably the best bit you've ever done. You should definitely make this its own short.
P.S. I'm taking an American History class right now as a required "Social Sciences" elective (since I couldn't take American Government), and what you said about those classes is 100% accurate.
P.P.S. The editing was incredible on this one. My compliments to your new editor.
yeah lol Shane going off, like it
he really really went off I wasn't expecting this at all
Of course it is; most everyone of these kind of videos insists any non-STEM and/or non six-figure earning potential degree is a "waste". Yeah God forbid there might be other reasons for going to college besides to make a few extra bucks :P
History is probably the most important thing they could teach...
But they do it wrong:(
@@tymeier7570 As Reagan once said, it might not be ignorance, it might be that they know too much of what isn't so!
i am a 1st year college student majoring in Engineer. Although i might get into a debt, this will pay off!
thank you Shane!
You got it! Best of luck!
Which kind of engineering? There is a tier list of engineers and not all of them are the same.
@@Labyrinth6000 bro Is engineering in psychology
Rising senior in mechanical engineering here. Be sure to join clubs (and I mean actually get involved, not spectate), get involved in undergraduate research if you can.
Career fairs are gonna be your best bet for getting internships and even your first full time job. Build your resume with club projects or research. Have something like toastmasters or a leadership position in a club to evidence soft skills. You *will* have a job. Competent engineers with actual stuff beyond a degree are always in huge demand. The degree alone wont carry you, unless its computer science or industrial engineering
@samo6401 you don't need to do anything to get a job as an industrial engineer? You don't need to join any clubs or do any research?
Thank you for this public announcement! Someone I know got a degree in Anthropology with a focus on Mayan culture, it worked out as well as you'd expect. He wanted to be a researcher, travel the world, set up dig sites (that's how he got sucked in) but it is almost impossible to get a good teaching/research position that pays well since there is not a lot of interest in those fields and lucky tenured professors who got those jobs milk those cushy positions for many decades. He was offered to teach random social studies classes as a part time teacher for what seems like a minimum wage. Had to go back to college and get another degree. People, do you research if you want to make liveable wage, unless you are independently wealthy.
Teachers generally make far more than minimum wage. More likely twice that much, do you have a teaching degree?
Hydro: Part tme subs make under $200 for 5 to 6 hours. Full-time can make $10,000/month.
I worked in construction a couple of years ago and was surprised archeologists were hired during the planning stages for a new city train line that was getting built. But yeah there isn’t much work unless you want to go into construction or mining
Whats sad is most degrees screw you over no matter what, "Need more experience", "You're over qualified" At what point is this piece of paper useful?
Berklee Graduate here. Don't do an arts degree if you come from a working class fam, or if you're paying your own way. I couldn't see the writing on the wall & why everyone's parents were either doctors or lawyers when I was an undergrad. I was too focused on the fact that I was at my dream school, and getting better at the only thing that I cared about; Songwriting. None of my connections/accomplishments even stemmed from the brand name degree I will forever be paying off. Don't be like me, just come to Nashville and cut your teeth if you want to breathe music.
This is my favorite video so far, Shane's personality has been gradually losing filter and I love it
I think the most important thing in picking your college is whether can YOU put yourself as an expert in that field, know what you do, know how to apply your knowledge, and know where you going to be in the future ☺
When I was in high school, I was offered to go to medical school. But I turned it down. Why? Because I know I will hate every second of my life learning something I don't want to and following what people think what's best for me. Instead, I took Korean Language and Culture major that I want to pursue since I was little. The result? I got a lot of scholarships and get a lot of offers to work since I know how I can expand my knowledge in everyday practices.
Shane's not wrong. I already know that society sees social science will be taken as a useless major. It's true if you don't know how to utilize your major. This is what I can take from the video: your major becomes useless if you don't know what you do and will do. Cheers!
Appreciate your insight!
I was lucky. I received my degree in Journalism but that was in the 80s when newspapers were still happening. My degree earned me a very good living. I'm not rich, but I used my degree for 40 years and my job took me around the world for free. Call it luck, skill or great timing, but it didn't cost me an arm, leg or my first born. Hard work and a couple scholarships helped. I would hate to go to college now.
According to Shane, unless you major in Business, Computer Science, or Engineering, you’re wasting your time, which I don’t think is a valid argument. Everything isn’t about money and most people even with these degrees don’t even work in the field that aligns with their degree anyway.
Why spend money for a degree in another topic, if you can either learn it on your own independently, or break into the field anyways while getting a more reputable degree that'll give you a backup plan. If youre willing to pay a lot for "the college experience" thats different, but he's ranking these degrees based on career impact
@@davianoinglesias5030 but everything isn’t about money. And most schools don’t have silly majors like those said in the video.
@@samo6401 and like I said most ppl don’t even work in the field they major in and it’s no guarantee that you’ll get a Job or rank up in any of these fields. Also not everyone pays for their degree. It’s not about your major… it’s about what you can do with your degree.
@@daman0015 everything is not about money if you have it, otherwise if you are poor you won't even have a chance to pursue your passion. Money sets you in motion. If you can pay your bills go ahead and pursue what you want.
@@daman0015 im not disagreeing. However, if thats the case, why not get a reputable degree that opens more doors and then learn the skills for your desired field though intentional experiential learning and free resources
I have a friend who went to an art school.. it cost him about 40k a year. He is 100k+ in debt and now he is a cashier at the local gas station.
I wish your friend wouldn't turn into a dictator
@@ShaylutheMilkyWay He wasn’t rejected though.
No way is cost him 40k a year
So glad I became a welder! Within the next 4 years I will hopefully have a bachelors in Mechanical Engineering or Manufacturing Engineering! No useless degree for me!!! Best advice I have heard...pick something you can tolerate that is high paying, be passionate about having a stable income that is high paying.
I've seen welders make good money for decades. (even if most of them are drunks)
Biology is a stepping stone to more complex stem professions, not any good as a stand alone degree. You need to be seriously committed to your career path to go Bio.
Beginning of Senior year in High School my parents insisted I go to college. I had no idea what to study so my planned major was Psychology or Drama. I ended up joining the military and learned how to fight instead. After my enlistment I was older and a bit wiser I knew I needed to learn an in demand skill. I used GI Bill to study Mechanical Engineering and have zero regrets.
I studied Electronics in military although Chemistry and many other fields are available. I learned very little about fighting in 4 years of military service even worked as a Gate guard with a club and they didn't teach me how to use it. Most of what I know about fighting I learned somewhere else.
Nice!
Well done. So many young kids would benefit from spending a few years in the real world before deciding to go to college, if at all. The vast majority of 18 year olds simply don't have the maturity, vision or focus to utilize college to its full extent.
I don't regret my time in college. It was relatively affordable (state school) and it played a role in where I ended up today, owning my own business in the trades. I just wish I didn't feel so pressured to go straight into the college pipeline. I simply had no idea what I wanted out of life and what I'd like to do for work. It would've been immensely beneficial to have spent a couple years living and working in the real world before attending college.
Good choice. I am a physics graduate, but pretend to be a computer engineer for my day job. Yeah, it's not really software but not really hardware, sorta halfway between. Firmware, I guess...
Mad respect for your experience, your drafting and modeling tools are quite complex!
If you want to make money with psychology, get a marketing degree it’s all about psychology, but you actually make money
I have a Masters of art's in counseling degree and I wholeheartedly agree with what you are saying. I enjoy my practice and my clients; but I owe so much in debt it is going to take me a lifetime to pay it off. Thank you for this video!
So your a counselor?
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@@raymondcasso7966 So that would be "you're", not "your". "you're" is short for "you are".
So glad you made this video and could not agree more with the content. What high school counselors should be helping kids to learn is to research careers to see the reality of what a particular degree can get you. Even with a business degree, you actually can learn a ton of skills that are useful once you finish but unless you have an ivy league MBA, the degree will at least get them to look at your resume. You will still need to sell yourself to get your foot in the door and understand that you are likely going to start at an entry level job and then prove yourself. But it takes more persistence than talent and it's definitely do-able. Once you get a few years in, if your firm won't move you up fast enough, go to another firm in the same industry and if you're willing to move, that will really speed up the money and career escalation.
I used to believe this stuff you say about biology degrees but everyone from my school I know who got a bachelors in biology are getting bio industry and research jobs with no masters.
I do respect how unhinged you got in this video though. Love it
One thing I learned when halfway through my degree. (Computer game design) is you don't need a degree to make games. Unity and UR4 are free, there's thousands of useful tutorials out there. A degree is useless for that. I decided to self teach my way into programming. My ultimate goal is to still make video games, and coding is a huge part of that, but it has so many real world applications outside of that. College isn't completely useless but there are so many dead end degrees and money traps that they don't tell you about.
Yeah but college is also a networking tool. If you make friends with the right people you can have connections
@@romallohenry yeah but a lot of us aren’t going to a traditional university. Online give us flexibility if we have full time jobs and careers.
What's your opinion on a B.S. degree in computer science? Is it worth it or is it one of those dead-end degrees you're talking about.
@@acaptainnachoz2111 The world is only going to get more advance. Programing is going to only become more useful a skill to know as time goes on. As for getting a degree? I'm just a rando on UA-cam, you'd be better off asking someone else, but from what I gathered from research, it depends on two factors.
1: What company do you want to work for and 2: how impressive is your portfolio? Some companies prefer college graduates, but will hire someone with an impressive portfolio, while some may require it. On top of some other comments earlier, college let's you meet new people and connecting with others in the field is a big step. It's definitely not one of the "dead end" degrees I talked about. It's nice to have, some companies may consider youover those who don't, but it's not required for a job. It doesn't matter how you study so long as you study and remain consistent
@@dillanschmidt7459 cool thanks bro
I quit college after 2 years and went full time in the fine dining restaurant I was working in at the time. Fast forward and I spent 49 years in restaurants, working every position both front and back of house, in every type of operation from fine dining to catering, food trucks and sandwich shops. I owned several restaurants and nightclubs and eventually diversified my business with rental properties as well. Lots of hard work but I loved it. Met many great people, worked and lived all over US in food cities like NY, SF, NO, and DC. Comfortably retired now but school just wasn’t for me.
Restaurant & entertainment is a soul vampire. I was in it for decades. If I had it to do all over again, I would never do it.
AND you found your passion. Good for you!
Trouble is, one can't live off this wage now
Congratulations on a very successful career for which you were obviously suited.
Hotel MGT. Haha! I had 0 exp in the field and literally woke up one day and said I wanted to own a hotel. I called my realtor from my second home in Spain and asked her if she knew of an available hotel. Later that day I had one and the owner literally gave me the keys to his hotel to test it out. Two weeks later it was mine. 30 days after that I had it entirely renovated with all materials I picked out and self purchased and I got all reservation systems put in place including all staff and I accepted my first 72 guests on day 31. I did this all with no knowledge of the industry and only knowing five words of Spanish at the time. I turned it into a money printing machine until COVID came along. That was sooo much fun! But NO degree is needed. Promise. My very first UA-cam comment after so many years. Oh and owning a hotel in Spain is also a great way to quickly learn Spanish. Totally fluent now without a degree for that either.
Useless in terms of employment or wealth creation.....but any educational experience is still better than.....ignorance.
Spending a lot of time going to school does not equal being educated.
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@@cooldog60 True...in some cases. But simply being in an educational environment could really help in a person's development. At the very least learn the basics.
You could probably name several degrees that are worse than ignorance, most of them end with "studies". Pure BS.
Colleges aren't places of education anymore. They are indoctrination centers. You're paying them tons of money to warp your brain. You can educate yourself now for free, or very cheaply, on the Internet.
My time at university proved there are too many NUMs. Not University Material, who attend having no idea what they will do afterward. The vast majority of High school teachers went to university, so that’s their thinking style.
Geoffrey: The favorite lie of Republicans is that what is wrong is that college teaches thinking.
That lie has been around every since the Student loan/grant/work studyvo programs were started that admitted women and minorities on the same basis as white men.
When I went to college in the eighties, there were many students in the College of Arts and Sciences that were undecided for the first two years. I went into Tech knowing what degree I was pursuing. I am still working in that field.
For what it's worth, individualized degrees have been around for a minute and can be very helpful IF it's a good one. Want to major in chemistry and comp Sci, but don't want to spend an extra year on irrelevant prereqs? Create your own computational chemistry degree with just the relevant bits from both, finish in 3-4 years, and make fucking bank in pharma, energy, manufacturing, etc
In this day and age, your degree should be a combination of some practical subjects that allow you to get a real job (like engineering, programming, statistics, economics, management, etc), along with a few artistic subjects that you find some genuine interest in that also broaden your horizon (like we all love parts of psychology, philosophy, literature, history, politics, etc). It is what it is. Stay pragmatic, stay empathetic.
Exactly. While colleges and school counselors can give better advice towards this, I don't think it's good advice to completely ignore liberal arts degrees either. They tend to help build skills in communication and creative discussions of issues, which are more esoteric skills that are very important in the real world and that aren't as taught in practical degrees. And even if you disagree with that, it's something employers do take note of, and it can be very helpful in standing out as a candidate for a position.
@@iamthepeppernator Couldn't agree more! I believe all sorts of degrees, and the knowledge that comes with it, would definitely have equal importance in an utopian world. However, given the imperfect world that we have, it's best to maintain a good balance between studies that help us get a good job and those that help us become a good person.
But if you have no interest or mild interest in "artistic" subjects then it's a waste of time, just learn about those stuff on your own.
@@abhishekchakravorty234Utopian world is not possible, another ridiculous notion from philosophicals. It was relevant during ancient times where people had nothing to do all day except work or sleep.
@@Hhhh22222-w Not at all. I am a film buff and a huge fan of Martin Scorsese, Chris Nolan, Stanley Kubrick, amongst others. I was absolutely shocked when I came to know all three of these guys took logic building as one of the most important aspects of their lives. Kubrick was crazy good in Chess, Scorsese is extremely analytical (you'll find a video of Jonah Hill saying so for Wolf of Wall Street, and Nolan.. What can I even say? Memento, Interstellar, Tenet.. A true artist must develop logic as the greatest art is also the most logical (qualitatively and quantitatively). So yeah, you can go on any of the two paths (scientific or artistic), but you gotta be aware of the other path to the extent that it completes and fulfills you.
0:56 "Your parents probably told you you need to go to college to be successful." If that's true, then your parents are really asleep at the wheel. You could forgive your grandparents for telling you this because it was true back in their day, but your parents should have woken up to what a scam college has become.
It's not a scam as a whole, but some colleges specifically can be scams. Especially many private schools with crazy tuitions. Most in-state schools can open a lot of doors without costing an arm and a leg
I don’t understand how psychology can be worthless. I’m not mad. But trust me, looking at the future, I feel like mental health related issues are just going to increase and everyone would need a therapist. At the end of the day, this is an American perspective. I’m from India 🇮🇳 and trust me Psychology is an underrated subject here. Yes, you’ll be unemployed if you just do Bachelors. But imma do masters and Ph.D.
Too much of a saturated market ...e everyone and their mum's have a psychology degree essentially just good luck
@@dannypragnell4354 I don't know how saturated the market is in the US... But in India, it can be considered as a subject in demand.
I guess the biggest issue would be ROI. If someone goes $160k in debt to make $45k a year was it worth it?
@@dannypragnell4354 many people just get bachelors and then change their field but if you get masters it's pretty promising.
@@KP-hi1omin our country it'pretty cheap. Getting psych degree from top college is about 130$ only. It doesn't require us to take loan.
In USA education is expensive, people pursue something which they might not be interested in just because they have to pay of their debt by earning well.
And also having Masters in psych gives you pretty well.