Understanding the Trinity w/ Sam Shamoun
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- In this video, Sam Shamoun joins me live to answer popular unitarian UA-camr Marcus Rogers's questions that he asked Trinitarians to answer in a recent video. Since he asked, we figured we would answer. Join Sam Shamoun and I as we answer Marcus Roger's questions on the doctrine of the Trinity. Here is the link to the video we are responding to: • Video
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Thanks everyone for watching! I really enjoyed this talk. Just to be clear, Marcus’s original video that we are responding to was published on Jan 3, 2020. I pray this video helps to clear up misconceptions about what Trinitarians believe, and helps to give you a better understanding of the Trinity revealed through God’s Holy Word. Blessings in Christ our King!
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i enjoyed this. i personally don't believe this is a salvation issue but more of a confused people.
Respectful question. Would you concede to ever being wrong? I respectfully leave you with the last word. Peace be with you.
Any good books you recommend to read about the trinity?
You and Marcus should go live together and debate! It’s not a salvation jeopardizing topic but I would love to see the discussion! I watch you and Marcus, both of you guys are helpful in my walk thanks!! God Bless
@@blender176 "The Forgotten Trinity" by James White
Sam we in Nigeria love you so much for your continues dedication to the gospel. May the many who watch you be converted to Christ our Lord and Saviour
Have you not seen what Sam has done to his ex wife or seen how he acts to people on live streams? I just got off his stream where he said racially charged comments to a japanese person asking a simple question.
May they be born again! We need brothers and sisters adopted of our Father not just confessing Christians. Our lives will never be saved without being born of God!
kindly please on UA-cam Jake the muslim metaphysician channel videos regarding comparative discussion between Islam and Christianity. Jake is a Muslim doing Phd in Christology and will make you believe Islam is the truth and Christianity is false
kindly please on UA-cam Jake the muslim metaphysician channel videos regarding comparative discussion between Islam and Christianity. Jake is a Muslim doing Phd in Christology and will make you believe Islam is the truth and Christianity is false
@@hijab7737 Jake refused to debate Sam; he’s scared. And his PhD is in philosophy. His dissertation might be on Christology. All the guys at TAP are good for arguments for God, but they’re scared to defend their religion.
Sam Shamoun is one of the best defenders of the faith I have encountered in a while. God bless you and keep you my brother.
😂😂😂 Hollywood fantasy Trinity movie stars😂😂😂 bro 1 + 1 is 2 1 + 3 is not one
Heretic of the highest order, in a Tritheist church and a Harlot daughter of Catholicism a antiChrist religion.
Sam is so underrated. God bless him.
Hahaha You really have no knowledge of the scriptures, if you had you will know that Sam talk only nonsense all the time just to defend his doctrine..
Robert Papie Doe nice no argument you have to anything that was said on the video. 😂🤦🏻♂️
Agreed!!!
Robert Papie Doe well if you have any correction for Sam bring it man
@@jesussaves1204 the concept of trinity can it be explained please?
If nitrate can be solid, liquid and gas all at same time, surely an infinitely powerful God can pull it off too.
I read somewhere that any substance that has the capability of being a solid, liquid or gas can reach a triple point where it manifests all states simultaneously. Excellent point bro, God bless 🙏🏽
That's modalism, I understand that illustration but that's saying God changes modes or forms.
that's modalism which is a heresy. Christians need to stop thinking everyone else is blind when they themselves don't even know what they believe, why they believe it and where there teachings come from. The doctrine of the trinity is false. I've studied the history of the trinity, tracing from Athanasius to Constantine and thanks to the Holy Spirit, I've left that belief. I believe in Jesus Christ, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, Son, and HS are not sperate "persons" but one person who has revealed Himself in more ways than one.
It's important to know, especially when telling others about our faith, the truth about out beliefs. The Trinity has always been a hot topic in the church for centuries after Jesus ascended. It's nothing new. This is a brief summary of the history concerning this doctrine. But centuries ago, in the late 200s and early 300s, the leaders of the Christians church were trying to figure out what the NT books meant when they talked about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Because we have to note that the NT books were compiled around the 3 or 4 century. And this caused confusion
The church leaders had no idea the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So out of confusion they began coming up with theories, marking out their positions, kicking each other out of the church, and breaking up (this is one of the things that caused the East and West schism which was the break of communion between the Catholic church and other churches)
and they told everyone who didn't believe in their doctrine that they would go to hell. The topic of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was one of, if not the biggest topic among Christian leaders in the year 325. The Roman Emperor Constantine who is sometimes seen as "the first Christian" emperor when in reality the guy was a pagan and saw religion as a way to expand and unite his empire. So Constantine along with some of the church bishops held a council in the town called Nicaea, and these bishops came up with the first version of the statement of faith that attempted to define the relationship between the Son and the Father. The statement they drafted is called the Nicene Creed which is what the vast majority of Christians and Christian churches have accepted as essential doctrine. And yet this is where the church got off track why? because although the Nicene creed does not contain the words "trinity" or "persons" (neither does the Bible by the way), what it DID say about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit set the church on a course towards the doctrine of the Trinity of persons. One or 2 centuries later, the Athanasian creed, another statement of faith which was composed and assembled by St Athanasius, greatly expanded on the Nicene creed and DID include the words "trinity" and persons. This introduced contradiction, confusion, and polytheism into the church even though no one wants to admit it.
(notice how none of them, not the church fathers, not Tertullian, or even St. Athanasius called upon the Lord, like the people in the Bible did. Whenever the children of the Lord wanted to know about God they called to Him and He answered. But in this situation, no one did that. None of them claim to even be inspired by God. All of this confusion was created by men trying to figure God out without the Spirit of God. God is not the author of confusion, but we get ourselves confused when we don't consult God about anything.
So what is the Trinity?
I don't know, I've never been able to figure it out, which is good for me because no one has ever been able to figure it out. When it comes down to it, even the people who believe in the trinity and teach it end up saying that "it's a mystery" that you just have to believe it. In other words, "I don't know either, but I have to believe or else I won't be considered a Christian and I will go to to hell."
But here's the idea of the trinity:
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 in one. Three who's one what. 3 persons sharing one essence. Each person is God, infinite, eternal, and uncreated; and each has a distinct role, but the 3 persons are still one God because they same essence and always act in unison.
No wonder it's called a mystery because in reality it makes no sense. This whole doctrine started when people tried to use their human minds to understand an immortal God without studying and consulting with Him. How can 3 persons be One God? If we look at it this way, how can 3 people be one person? Just because those 3 people are in essence, human, doesn't mean that they are one, those are clearly 3 separate people.
For many centuries, millions of words, and hundreds of people have tried to explain the trinity and none has succeeded. The fact is, no matter how many times believers of the trinity say it's one God, they are really thinking of 3. Their lips say "one" but their mind says 3. The Athanasian creed itself recognizes this when it says:
- The Father is one person, the Son is another, the Holy Spirit is another. But hte divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is one and their glory equal their majesty coeternal. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated. The Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord, nevertheless not 3 lords, one Lord. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God nevertheless not 3 gods but One God...just as the Christian truth compels us to confess each person indivudally as God and Lord, the catholic RELIGION forbids us to say 3 gods or three lords.
Because of religion, no one questions anything and this is why God hates religion. It's thru relationship God blessed Abraham, forgave David, and saved us through the shedding of His blood. But religion confuses and stops people from using their brains. The doctrine of the trinity is not a mystery it's a contradiction that is taught no where in the BIble and makes no sense at all.
@@viviennebaptiste the church Fathers may have been working through their understanding the same as we do, but I’m sorry when you read and study the word you have no other options but to believe in a triune God. I can tell most who fail to believe either have a lot of pride and can’t go back on what they had already said or either the person really isn’t studying to show themselves approved. God is most definitely 3 in 1 not 1 in 3.
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I never knew who Sam Shamoun was before tonight. I am enamored by his love for God and his insight in God’s word. I am going to sub to him right after I finish watching this video! Thank you brother John and may God continue to bless you and your family!
Buchille ne I don’t know brother but boy am I glad I found him! But we know Romans 8:28!!!!
@Sahih Christian Yeah Sam is amazingly ignorant, just like James White, Christian Prince, David Wood ect. They always use John 1:1 to "proof" that Jesus is God ect. Let's see what the Scripture says without using their pagan phylosophy (Col 2:8) on the text.
In Scripture, *the Word* is an expression referring to the proclaimed Word of God and it is synonymous with the Good News (Gospel). The *MINISTRY* of Jesus was considered the beginning of the Word, the beginning of the Gospel. Mark and Luke open their Gospels in a similar introduction:
John 1:1 In *the beginning* was *the Word* and *the Word* was with God and *the Word* was God
Luke 1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from *the beginning* were eyewitnesses, and ministers of *the word*
Mark 1:1 *The beginning* of *the gospel* of Jesus Christ, the Son of God
Luke also begins the Book of Acts in this way: Acts 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus *began both to do and teach*
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen
*The ministry of Jesus* from his baptism at the Jordan to his death and resurrection, was considered to be the beginning of the Word, the beginning of the Gospel.
The entire point of the Gospel of John is to illustrate how the man (human) Jesus Christ made God the Father known to the world. And not the popular pagan teaching that is going around. You need to change your mind about that false doctrine, that's another Jesus.
@Sahih Christian The Bible does *NOT* teach that. I have posted John 1:1 and refuted from Scripture that Sam is wrong. And here we have a fan boy who does not read but follow men. Is what i have posted wrong???
@Sahih Christian R.C. Sproul, in his book What is Reformed Theology? “the Reformers embraced the doctrines articulated and formulated by the great ecumenical councils of church history, *including the doctrine of the Trinity and of Christ’s person* and work formulated at the councils of Nicea in 325 and Chalcedon in 451.” Ch. 1 pg.28-29
You are *ALL* closet Catholics teaching the same BS as the pagan Roman Catholic Church.
As The Catholic Encyclopedia (Topic: the platonic school) also informs us: *The great majority of the Christian philosophers down to St. Augustine were Platonists*
@Sahih Christian John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life
Where do you see "I AM THE LIVING GOD"? This is satanic Tranitarian deception. You don't believe the Bible but you believe in Gnosticism.
I have refuted your pagaism easy just by reading.
“Towards the end of the 1st century, and during the 2d, many learned men came over both from Judaism and paganism to Christianity. *These brought with them into the Christian schools of theology their Platonic ideas and phraseology* (Cyclopaedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, 1891, Vol. 10, “Trinity,” p. 553).
I stopped listening to Marcus a long time ago. Something ain’t right with that dude.
He's a man. He's imperfect just like every one else.
Jesus said many false prophets would arise!!!
@@TeStOs78 Has he called himself a prophet? Why would you say that..because he is not a trinitarian?
@@joolspools777 If you listened to the host, he said Marcus claims to be a prophet. Oneness doctrine is a false doctrine and don't even make sense for non Christians, much more biblically, for they will see that the Father didn't manifest his own self in the flesh so that he could talk to himself. Out of one false doctrine that is fundamental comes others!!!
PREACH.
I'm starting to believe that a debate between Sam Shamoun and Marcus Rogers should happen.
Sam would absolutely destroy him. Anyone who knows the basics would. Marcus is absolutely clueless. Sam vs Marcus is like a kindergartner vs a Harvard Professor.
Yeah, no unitarian is fit to debate Sam on Christianity.
@@darriuscole8544 It's hard to argue with the truth. Especially when it's against Sam.
The reason I say this is because, basing on Marcus' character, last I checked, he actually doesn't back down, and moreover, further pushes with his arguments. Then again, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that something must've changed along the way for him not to do so.
@Indigator Veritatis And you also have to be to an idiot to deny it.
Loved the format of this video.
The back and forth, in a semi interview/rebuttal/teaching session, was cool 😎
I also like it when Sam teams up with someone else, as it always has a nice calming effect on him😁👍
I agree...less distractions for him
the beginning was so refreshing to see , we just need the Lord
right!! love sam and how he invites the Lord every time he starts a video c:
and he needs for you to obey his commandments John14:15
Solid vid you guys.
Kinda funny: I agree with Sam that a lot of these objections sound very similar to Muslim objections to the Trinity!
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Keep it up, y'all: been praying for ya.
Sam the man 🔥 was a blast listening to this, makes pulp of Marcus Rogers' arguments, praise the Father, praise the Son, praise the Spirit, our God Yehova
More people need to notice Sam. This man speaks the Word so clearly and substantially.
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
I John 5:7 NKJV
that was added to the bible by political pressure and isn't found in the original text.
@@illithidhunter6177 The scriptures still confirms that the Trinity is found in the old and new testament. So please stop with the it was added on later excuse, it does not hold water.
@@calvinrobinson1603 Of course Not! I John 5:7 was added. Look up the oldest manuscript that exists of the First Letter and you will not find that verse.
If you truly believe the OT has even hint of the trinity you aren't educated enough to have this conversation.
@@illithidhunter6177 Btw, get saved and get filled with the Holy Spirit so you can walk in truth and understanding and not operate in human wisdom of man.
@@illithidhunter6177 Let me give you another verse about the Trinity, see Proverbs 30:4, Who has ascended into heaven or descended? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, If you know? I know, do you?
I now know why something stops me from following Marcus.
Why Sam lied on Marcus? ... you may just very well allowed the devil to convince you not to listen to a man of God....
Alexis Massey don’t talk to people like that.
Marcus Rogers is heretical
That was the Holy Spirit.
Alexis Massey Jesus said you shall not blaspheme the Holy Spirit. That’s the abominable sin.
Not only were Adam and Eve, both named Adam together, they were also Echad, meaning one. The same Echad, as in "hear O Israel the Lord your God is One".
I just love this insight, God bless you ❤️🙏🏽
As a former oneness Pentecostal, I can tell you all, they read the Bible with blinders on. They only see what lines up with their doctrine. Keep praying for them, they'll come around if they're really searching for the truth. Good session.
@Nana Frimpong yes, I did. I was raised in a Pentecostal pew. It's a terrible place of bondage and fear but God has set me free! PTL
I wouldn’t say I’m pentecostal more like apostolic and I can say there are no blinders here neighbor only truth everything lines up
As a former Christian, I can tell you all, they read the Bible with blinders on. They only see what lines up with their doctrine. Keep using reason and critical thinking, they'll come around in the they're really searching for the truth.
John 17 3 makes 0 sense, jesus christ isn't the one true god at all
@@yobro6053, John 17:3 makes lots of sense only those who refused to accept what Jesus said will say it makes no sense..
I think Sam would have the spiritual gift of knowledge, thus the Spirit brings these passages visually to his mind. Marcus seems to make some very basic mistakes in his understanding of these passages.
It's possible he doesn't care to understand them.
mineben256 Same here.
mineben256 Thats incorrect.
mineben256, I encourage you to rewatch this video and turn with Sam to the scriptures he quotes and read the surrounding verses also.
Study it out, friend, because Jesus Himself says that there is one Lord.
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
mineben256, sorry I didn’t answer quickly, I was at work.
No, I acknowledge that Jesus Christ is God, manifest in the flesh.
Sam is wonderfully articulate
Praise God our God is an awesome God
Amazing video WDYM thank you, and as always GOD Bless
Such a wonderful crew! We are truly blessed.
I had always believed in the doctrine of the Trinity but after listening to this video I realised that I was leaning towards modelism . Praise the Lord rhis video had cleared up my belief.Thank you brothers.
Maybe you should put Marcus's name in the title, so that people who listen to him will find this easier and get a chance to hear orthodox doctrine.
this channels content is just.... superb 👌 Completes David Wood so well. Thank you so much ❤️
(35:45 time stamp)
This was my favorite part I almost jumped out my chair when Sam began to explain this and answer his question. Yes I loved this video!!!!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🙌🏾
Trinity is a lie from the Devil
@@DP-bx5fg please explain
This man deceiving skills are very good. BECAREFUL.
We are insulting God to think he needs help from a man to come up with a doctrine that is not written, especially that has contradictions. Jesus is a person that's accurate. But God is not a person. John 4:24 said that God is Spirit. What kind of spirit? He is the Holy Spirit. That's why Jesus told his disciples that when you see me you see the Father because they're seeing the Word who was God manifested in the flesh (John 1:1, John 1:3). Jesus did two things, He speaks in behalf of the flesh and blood to set an example to mankind and He also speaks as God. He sets examples to mankind like my 'Father is greater than me', ' No ones know when the Lord return', teaching them how to pray, minister, and baptized. And Jesus is God when he said, 'Before Abraham I Am' , ' If you don't believe that I am He, you will die in your sins'. 'I am the Way the Truth and the Life,' He walks on water, He heal the blinds and sick and of course, the Resurrection.
Behind that flesh is God doing all the operations. That's why 2 Cor 5:19 said
that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
This is why Jesus said I am not doing my will but the will of the Father because not only God is doing all the operations behind that flesh but set another example to mankind that the Spirit of the Lord gets all the credit, and not the flesh, which got a mind of its own.
Did you know Tertullian himself said 'Try to explain Trinity you will lose your mind, try to deny it will lose your soul'. Why the man who came up with this doctrine can't explain it? Google that if you think that's made up.
When you look at the Trinity ask yourself these questions. Which one is your Savior, for the Scriptures teaches there's only one Savior. Which one is your Lord for the Scriptures teaches we have only one Lord. Which one will sit on the Throne...By the way 'The Right Hand' in the Scriptures is a position of power it does not mean right next to Him.
Where in the Scriptures teaches Jesus is the second person. Where in the Scriptures teaches the Holy Spirit is the third. Do you see the disrespect and blasphemy Tertullian did towards God? Has a matter of fact, he broke the 3rd commandment.
Galatians 1:6-10
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--
which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.
Who do you believe? Tertullian or the Word of God Himself?
He has an iq of 145 what do you expect ?
@@20yrs_oldBlackGuy Well, I guess he is using that IQ for the devil.
I've had hesitations about Marcus for a long time. His flesh is in operation. It genuinely bothers me that he is now pastoring a church. Prayers for Marcus 🙏
Wow I’m glad I came across this video too bc I was interested in attending his church
Wow. That’s scary 😧
Sam it's the Sherlock Holmes of Christianity
Paul S. honestly
Lets keep praying for him.
John Smith Amen God has blessed him in ministry
@Irish Lad care to tell him that when he is live ?
@Irish Lad were you on topic?
I am so glad you made a video about him!
I, myself, have been struggling to wrap my mind around the concept of the trinity. And recently, I literally came up with that exact same comparison that he made at 38:11 to try to help me mentally picture it. I even commented the comparison in David Wood's stream 2 days ago. Then someone replied to me, basically telling me that what I said was an example of modalism and not the trinity.
Now I'm far from having the intellect and understanding that you, Sam, David, and a number of your viewers have, so I'm not educated on all of the different denominations, concepts, theories, and linguistics. I had never even heard of modalism until the person in the chat mentioned it. I googled the definition and still couldn't wrap my mind around it.
But watching this stream is helping me to better understand the trinity and how it differs from modalism, even though it makes my head hurt and gives me mental fatigue. Lol
I have no idea who the guy in the video is, but I kinda empathize with him, as I've had pondered some of those questions, myself. I could be wrong, but his questions seem genuine and it appears to me that he's asking them in an attempt to seek and understand the truth, rather than trying to prove a point. I kinda wish some fellow Christians in the live chat who were shaming and calling him a heretic for asking those questions were a little more graceful, but maybe they're more familiar with him than I am, so I digress.
To me, he appears to be a believer who had been mainly feeding on the milk of the word, and is now digging into the solid food, and like me, is finding himself having a hard time chewing and digesting it. Which is uncomfortable to think about if he's currently acting as a teacher, when he appears to be just a babe.
Personally for me, the difficulty isn't out of me not liking the taste, nor do I wish to spit it out. But rather, my jaw muscles and stomach acid is trying to adjust as I mature and grow until I'm am able to feed on solid food.. Hopefully that analogy made sense, as I'm currently tired and mentally drained. Lol
"For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." - Hebrews 5:13-14 (NKJV)
I also see it as someone seeking understanding and not really making a point.
you could come to my channel.
Well said!
Have you ended up understanding it, or would you still like help?
@@michaal105 I think I only have a vague idea/understanding of how it might be.. I can't really think too deep on it though, due to the anxiety and mental fatigue that I experience from overthinking, since the seizure I experienced a few years back.
I just know that they're 3 different persons and 1 being. All in unison. There are things surrounding it that I have questions about, but I'm having a hard time recalling what they were about off the top of my head.
Hey guys. Love you brothers in Christ. I love that people study the word. It's beautiful. I appreciate your perspectives. My goal is for the body of Christ to unite. I believe this isn't a heaven or hell issue. I believe we who have the Spirit can tell when someone else has the Spirit and I have met people on both sides who do. So then the question becomes is it a matter of pride who is right and who is wrong? The Bible says great is the mystery of Godliness and that we will know them by their fruit!! I can see fruit from people on both sides. So why sit and fight amongst eachother especially in these times we are living in. Mamy years ago i made a video because people kept attacking me who claimed to be Christian. They ignored the fruit and ignored the evidence that God was with me.... pretty much because they didn't agree on me with something. That is pride. I believe it is sad that we can't just come together and let the Spirit flow. Well some of us cant. I walk in unity and power with people from both sides. It would be beautiful to see the body of Christ come together agaisnt the powers of darkness instead of continuing to argue and debate amongst eachother. Love you guys. Praying for you all.
Hey bro, thanks for the comment! 100% love you too, man. Would love to have a private convo with you some time. I appreciate your reaching out and showing love, man! If you’re interested in talking, contact me: whaddoyoumeme@gmail.com.
Blessings man,
Jon
Even Peter and Paul had their disagreement, as long as we aren't delibrately twisting the word of GOD, I do not think or believe that our difference in understanding it will have any effect in scaling us on the day of judgement.
Love you guys, and I'll be putting you all in prayers. May we not be found wanting on that glorious day in Jesus name. Shalom
Love seeing the Christian love and grace on display in this interaction. I watch both of you guys’ channels, and this was a blessing. Honestly, I’m even more confused now on this issue, but we know in part until the day we will know in full as we are fully known. Trusting God to guide me into all truth in this life and the next!
Amen the trinity is false. And the the followers of the Old Testament knew it.
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:"
-Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
BibleBoy Blessings That does not contradict the trinity 1 God 3 persons
So I've been a Christian for about 20 yrs and this was the hardest video I've ever watched lol. However, I never had to worry about Trinitarianism bc it was already implemented into all the lessons and sermons in my church. However, I was never taught the definition of it and why it's important versus anti-trinitarianism. So watching this video, starting out with bare minimum definition of modalism and Trinitarianism I've had to constantly stop and start and read and check scripture while following along lol. I'm sure Bible students can watch this and have no problem, but this was a workout for me lol.
Sam really needs to do a bible study course. I’ll be ok it 24/7!! wow to how the word is engraved in your heart!!! Talk about a living epistle!!! I’ve been binge watching all of the videos
I bless Yahweh for you Sam!!!
loved the Genesis 1:26 explanation...awesome
I love that Genesis 19 refutation!! That's a one they can't answer or give a realistic explanation for. Great video! I was THE actual person Marcus mentioned as far as the body parts were mentioned in "likeness", lol. I was really saying a bodily form in a different way. Didn't mean to mislead anyone, lol. Overall, I haven't really seen or heard any good Oneness arguments to refute the Trinitarian thought and belief. You got another sub brother! Blessings!
God had heavenly beings on His side. It wasn't 3 of HIM. 🙏🕊️
@@emilipurvis7357 what exact heavenly beings? That could mean anything. The bible makes it known that there are different classifications of angels and they do not have any creative properties. If you look into the Hebrew names and Greek terms of God, it will show you a lot MORE than English since it wasn't a language back then.
3 persons in 1 God is unbiblical.. end of argument
G@@guitarpraise6035Go and open your own platform and teach whatever you like rather than disturbing our peace here.
From my life and the desire to know God(YHWH) the scriptures have always presented a pluralistic unity that is not able to be understood but trusted for it is presented clearly in the all scripture which in general is provided to us as a true expression of YHWH love for us and for us to know.
Jesus never prayed to God the son yet Jesus had a God. Who was his God without a son in it? Jesus said he goes to his God and the disciples God so they had the same God without a son in it. Who was this God without a son in it? Clearly not a triune one. Is your God the same as Christ's?
@@incorruptibleword4513 nor did he commune with just himself before creation. 1Colossians 1:15-20 Yeshua(Jesus, The Son, The Word) created all heaven and earth. As we can pray, praise, worship... to The Father, Son or HolyGhost individually or together because they are one.
If it helps: Your "will" is father to your "word".
@@incorruptibleword4513 read Psalm 45 then read Hebrews 1
Ooh thanks for taking the time to do this video!!
Wow. I'm glad to meet you brothers in Christ. I am watching from Brazil. 🙏
May God make me grow up in understanding each time more and more…
Praise our wonderful Lord!
Great Video! I was just talking with my friend about the Holy Trinity cos he's beginning hes path to follow Christ. I passed this video to him because even though I was able to answer hes questions similar to Sam, Sam explained it a lot better than I. More articulate than I, I should say hehe.
God Bless!
This was very helpful in better understanding something that by mere faith I had always recited the words of faith, but struggled with the clearer understanding. Thank you for this post.
Thanks for the video ,we need to pray to God to understand trinity , for me I agree with Sam
May God continue to use you guys in Jesus name
Sam is so awesome. I absolutely love when he can’t he speak about anything if does not praise Christ. He clearly loves Jesus my God and can’t do anything without Him.
Sam is amazing. He saved me
God saved you
In part using Sam
@Mansoor Ahmad clearly you may benefit from watching the video.
God bless you guys on producing this video. Beautiful explanatory power by the grace of God. God bless brother Sam Shamoun.
😂😂😂 Hollywood fantasy Trinity movie stars😂😂😂 bro 1 + 1 is 2 1 + 3 is not one
God is the father just look at the Christians When they mention the word god😂😂😂
I appreciate you guys making this video and I love how the spirit is moving with in you and those who you work with the teach the truth and expose the lies. God bless 🙏❤️
I knew of the Trinity but didn't know how it worked until someone kinda taught me, but I figured it out myself. But then he/she said if you don't know this then your not a "True Christian" 🤣🤣 I'm like what! are you serious?
If this is what you get labeled for not knowing the Trinity, then I'm happy to Labeled as Slave for my Lord and savior.
Every other religion chose not to worship my Lord and savior Jesus Christ. So I thought Christians is the place for me.
What a welcome party that was 😂.
Moral of my story is.
Telling someone that believe Jesus Christ is the son of God that he died and rose again in 3 days that they are not "True Christian's" if they don't know how the Trinity works ain't cool! That's like rejecting the 1lost sheep that Jesus just saved from going astray 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ Christian's get your mindsets right! You are saved. Now save others not push them away.
God bless🙏🏼🙏🏼
Yeah this is not a close handed doctrine so that’s out of line. As long as Jesus is your lord and savior you are saved. 🙌🏼
Hmmm, if we know anything, its only because the Holy Spirit revealed it to us, so we cant claim to figure anything out ourselves. But sorry to hear that. The body doesnt always get it right, but thats why our hope is not in ourselves, but in the perfection and sacrifice of Jesus. Pray for other believers...we all need it!
Amen Brother
AMEN!
I don't understand why either side of the argument even has to debate this. Things such as this goes over my head.
I can comprehend what I'm reading and when I don't understand something in the Bible, I pray for understanding and God gives me revelation.
Sometimes we can complicate things that shouldn't be complicated. Lord help us all.
Well you were saved and it was revealed to you. You were informed
Wow this was super helpful and clarifying👏👏👏
Just as a side note I got into a brief discussion with him on Facebook concerning politics. He is elevating the president to dangerous levels. He considers himself a prophet to Trump and often makes public his “revelations” for the president. His beliefs about the Triune God are fallacious and he infuses politics into his religion to dangerous levels. I cannot continue to watch Marcus’ videos in good faith. Jon, This video rocked. Thanks Sam! Will be using these arguments!
Yup! Stopped watching him too.
Yes, stay away from him. Originally, I found him through a Bible study leader that posted his videos about 2-3 years ago. I sensed something was up with him even though his spoken word was uplifted. So God had warned me back then and I informed my friend that he did not believe in the trinity so he may have had other beliefs wrong as well. I then questioned my judgment recently of what God had revealed to me. I made the mistake of congratulating the message of repentance since it is in part of what I had received as well. Marcus could very well still have a gift or manifestation of prophecy but the interpretation is poor. I've seen a few cases like this. Either that or I am being blinded by optimism and he has no such thing of God.
Anyways, what I receive currently is that Marcus likes to argue and is still internally puffed up. He does some good things but his lack of understanding causes many to stumble into foolishness. He's now saying that the government is using coronavirus as an excuse to persecute and mock Christians since churches must be closed. He has very poor insight. The main message that I received of God about coronavirus is that it reveals intentions and aspects of people's character more clearly. It should make us all examine how we have been living life, how we respond to our neighbors on the daily. Life was disrupted, and we have the opportunity to examine it. We also have the opportunity to seek God and pray for others and ourselves. We must pray for the healthcare professionals. We must pray for the affected families. We must not get distracted by the selfish desire of this being the end of days or time for the rapture. We need to seize the opportunity to show compassion when we are able to do so reasonably. The virus came due to the folly of man and will remain taking lives if the foolishness persists. Our God is not one of foolishness, and we are called to love wisdom. Christians will be mocked regardless of our decisions, but we should still make responsible ones that help provide hope and takes into consideration the safety of those around us.
Hayden Ariaz I also use to listen Marcus Rogers and unsubbed to his channel after listening to sam. Marcus indirectly claims to be a man of a high spiritual position yet humbled himself . That double talk was alarming and then listening to sam and how be unpacked the Bible immediately showed me that there is something wrong with Marcus Rogers theology
he is always having "revelations" about well known people. Never noticed his "revelations" are for the average Joe.
Elizabeth Salvatore you would think that a prophet who is receiving revelations from God would have at least been given a revelation about the true nature of God (the Trinity).
I have a pressing question for Rabbi Sam Shamoun, and I need to be corrected if my understanding is wrong. I'm a Trinitarian, so that isn't the problem. The "problem" is Mat 24:36, where only the Father knows the hour. During the 80s, I took some seminary extension classes, but I don't think my memory is faulty regarding this. My professor knew Greek and Hebrew, so I had faith in what he taught. This is his explanation in a nutshell: Since Jesus primary audience were the 1st century Jews, He spoke in terms they (not necessarily "we") would understand. The traditional Jewish marriage began with a lengthy, legal marriage contract beginning when the woman accepts the proposal. The son who anticipates this marriage, returns home, builds a private housing area attached to the family home for him and his official bride. The son didn't know when his father would summon him to get his bride (usually around a year later), and only knew when his patriarch gave him the green light. The marriage ceremony was held, and it was all tied up legal and binding. The reason I'm asking is because over the decades, I've heard no one else offer this explanation, so I'm wondering ... can you please clarify this for me? TIA!
@Vickson Leji I don't remember if the professor used that particular verse, but he might have. A lot of water has flowed under the bridge in the past 40 years, so I only remember his basic explanation. At least you've helped me think I didn't invent the explanation. Since we, the bride of Christ, are still in the betrothal stage, I thought it was a good analogy. Christ said He was going to prepare a place for us, His bride (John 14:3). Joseph, wishing to put Mary away privately, indicates it is a binding agreement that needs legal remedy.
I've come across this as well. It's a good background understanding, but it doesn't REPLACE a plain reading, it merely enhances it, it helps explain it.
@Vickson Leji Excellent! Thanks for putting all the additional details together. Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.
@born again Rabbi means teacher, so I think it's wrong to be petty and pedantic. There's neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, neither male or female .... remember that???
That is something I remember InspiringPhilosophy talking about. It’s not a bad argument to be fair and it gives a lot more context to what Jesus is saying.
Wow Marcus Rogers and Brandon Tatum....I always felt something was a bit off. Praying for them
Better to read the scriptures for yourself without influence of either side. Only with the help of the Holy Spirit. You'll be led to understand what's written is true. The trinity as it is meant to be revealed. 💕
you are wrong because Scripture is not clear to the point of dispensing the clear proclamation of the faith by the Church.... that is why protestants are constantly projecting new doctrines onto Scripture: they don't want to obey the doctrine of the faith as witnessed by the Church - in fact, if you don't want to elcome the teaching tradition of the Church since the first centuries, you will easily impose your own convictions onto Scriture, and will become blind to the true biblical teaching
@@silveriorebelo8045 I agree we should study church history to corroborate our teaching because the role of teacher is a spiritual gift that has been in the church since the beginning.
Do you believe this teaching tradition is inerrant and thus the Protestants (1500’s onward) are the first men to project their convictions onto scripture?
Sam I am your student brother! I learn so much specific things about the bible from you. God bless you!
That's the way we all should start anything by praying to God to help us to do this every time 🙏💯
I remember watching this video a few months back but didn't completely comprehend it. Ever since I've been following Sam and watching his sessions, this video makes complete sense today! God Bless both of you guys! 🙏🙏🙏
Amen 🫡☦️
Sam is nothing less than a hero of the faith.
If you find Sam is good, check out Anthony Rogers. Sam about Anthony: " Anthony is a philosophical beast".
This is awesome! You know, I thought that when this first was posted, I thought this was a conversation with Marcus Rogers. I think that would be great if you guys could get him on here and answer his questions
John bro I have to give it up to you out of the other 2. You earned my respect because instead of trying to figure out how to hold hands better you reproved him which is actually the greatest gift of love. Much respect brother keep up the good work!
Wow!! Have always believed in the true doctrine of the Trinity, but STILL learned so much from this!!! ❤❤
Christians need to stop thinking everyone else is blind when they themselves don't even know what they believe, why they believe it and where there teachings come from. The doctrine of the trinity is false. I've studied the history of the trinity, tracing from Athanasius to Constantine and thanks to the Holy Spirit, I've left that belief. I believe in Jesus Christ, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, Son, and HS are not sperate "persons" but one person who has revealed Himself in more ways than one.
It's important to know, especially when telling others about our faith, the truth about out beliefs. The Trinity has always been a hot topic in the church for centuries after Jesus ascended. It's nothing new. This is a brief summary of the history concerning this doctrine. But centuries ago, in the late 200s and early 300s, the leaders of the Christians church were trying to figure out what the NT books meant when they talked about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Because we have to note that the NT books were compiled around the 3 or 4 century. And this caused confusion
The church leaders had no idea the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So out of confusion they began coming up with theories, marking out their positions, kicking each other out of the church, and breaking up (this is one of the things that caused the East and West schism which was the break of communion between the Catholic church and other churches)
and they told everyone who didn't believe in their doctrine that they would go to hell. The topic of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was one of, if not the biggest topic among Christian leaders in the year 325. The Roman Emperor Constantine who is sometimes seen as "the first Christian" emperor when in reality the guy was a pagan and saw religion as a way to expand and unite his empire. So Constantine along with some of the church bishops held a council in the town called Nicaea, and these bishops came up with the first version of the statement of faith that attempted to define the relationship between the Son and the Father. The statement they drafted is called the Nicene Creed which is what the vast majority of Christians and Christian churches have accepted as essential doctrine. And yet this is where the church got off track why? because although the Nicene creed does not contain the words "trinity" or "persons" (neither does the Bible by the way), what it DID say about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit set the church on a course towards the doctrine of the Trinity of persons. One or 2 centuries later, the Athanasian creed, another statement of faith which was composed and assembled by St Athanasius, greatly expanded on the Nicene creed and DID include the words "trinity" and persons. This introduced contradiction, confusion, and polytheism into the church even though no one wants to admit it.
(notice how none of them, not the church fathers, not Tertullian, or even St. Athanasius called upon the Lord, like the people in the Bible did. Whenever the children of the Lord wanted to know about God they called to Him and He answered. But in this situation, no one did that. None of them claim to even be inspired by God. All of this confusion was created by men trying to figure God out without the Spirit of God. God is not the author of confusion, but we get ourselves confused when we don't consult God about anything.
So what is the Trinity?
I don't know, I've never been able to figure it out, which is good for me because no one has ever been able to figure it out. When it comes down to it, even the people who believe in the trinity and teach it end up saying that "it's a mystery" that you just have to believe it. In other words, "I don't know either, but I have to believe or else I won't be considered a Christian and I will go to to hell."
But here's the idea of the trinity:
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 in one. Three who's one what. 3 persons sharing one essence. Each person is God, infinite, eternal, and uncreated; and each has a distinct role, but the 3 persons are still one God because they same essence and always act in unison.
No wonder it's called a mystery because in reality it makes no sense. This whole doctrine started when people tried to use their human minds to understand an immortal God without studying and consulting with Him. How can 3 persons be One God? If we look at it this way, how can 3 people be one person? Just because those 3 people are in essence, human, doesn't mean that they are one, those are clearly 3 separate people.
For many centuries, millions of words, and hundreds of people have tried to explain the trinity and none has succeeded. The fact is, no matter how many times believers of the trinity say it's one God, they are really thinking of 3. Their lips say "one" but their mind says 3. The Athanasian creed itself recognizes this when it says:
- The Father is one person, the Son is another, the Holy Spirit is another. But hte divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is one and their glory equal their majesty coeternal. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated. The Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord, nevertheless not 3 lords, one Lord. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God nevertheless not 3 gods but One God...just as the Christian truth compels us to confess each person indivudally as God and Lord, the catholic RELIGION forbids us to say 3 gods or three lords.
Because of religion, no one questions anything and this is why God hates religion. It's thru relationship God blessed Abraham, forgave David, and saved us through the shedding of His blood. But religion confuses and stops people from using their brains. The doctrine of the trinity is not a mystery it's a contradiction that is taught no where in the BIble and makes no sense at all.
love you
Maybe Sam, should debate this with Marcus?
Could be a great debate!
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Marcus doesnt have the figs to debate Sam
@@zachlehkyi9951
😆 obviously
@@zachlehkyi9951 is that you Satan? Marcus believes in Christ just like these gentlemen and all he wanted was a understanding and here you are being pretentious. 🤦🏿♂️
Awesome! Thank you Ruslan for turning me onto John so that I could see this great teaching. I really need to learn Hebrew! I’ve been seeing a lot about Marcus or Brandon etc on false doctrine and teaching etc. All this confirms and means to me is that I need to start EVERY day in the Bible. I need to look to Jesus my example and King. I need to allow Holy Spirit to lead me into truth and above all Love the LORD God Almighty. Thank you John for this great video. God you are good🙏🏼🙌🏼
God bless keep following Christ ✝️❤️
If I didn’t believe in the Trinity by faith..man y’all didn’t make it easy to understand..oh the wise and learned.
Thanks. I am an experienced Trinitarian student/debator. Actually am learning some new things here instead of merely going over the same proof texts and NonTrinitarian rebuttals. Thanks guys.
Can we talk?
I would like to see Sam vs Gino Jennings
That id pay to watch
Sam wants to debate him
Marcus was my NCO in the ARMY. He’s a real good guy
Both of you are my brothers. Blessed by god to teach his word. I also believe and have faith same as you. Does not matter your denomination because we are the same body. Like the body the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. We are still form jesus christ's body in belief and in faith. Jesus says an unforgivable sin is to deny the holy spirit. Why would jesus ever give such a statement if the holy spirit wasnt part of his father? Thank you guys and for your hard work and give testimony for you.
Thanks guys ...I skip back so may times I am sure I watched it 2 or more times...keep up the awesome work...love you guys...oh yeah I shared the link on Marcus' comments.
Personally, I'm not big on the idea of Trinity. The thousand of years it took to put the Bible together. None of the authors/prophets/believer/disciples/apostles/judges used the word "trinity". A lot of what Sam said is his interpretation that does not acknowledge OT scripture that God is one.
None of the Scriptures use the terms rapture, communion, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, or monotheism either.
Not a fan? Going by your logic, the word fan shouldn't used here because that doesn't sounds like spiritual language
Your explanation of the Triune Godhead is right on Sam.💞
Love you brother Sam💕
Your sister in Jesus our Messiah🕯📖
John chapter 17:20-24: This scripture describes love and oneness, Jesus says that others can be one like He and the Father are one. Does that mean we become one being and the same person? No, it means we are in agreement and share godly attributes that are like God. We can be trusted to do anything by faith because we have gained the perfected attributes of faith, charity, and patience. This points quite clearly to the truth that God the Father and Jesus are separate individuals but godliness is a transcendent unity.
I love Marcus Rogers. I used to listen to him here n there because a lot of what he would say sounded in line with Scripture. I had to stop listening to him though because he would always say he was prosphesying and that God was giving him visions and messages to share with us. That is way off
Same here, I think he uses he's charm to get to ppl emotions smh. He also spends so much time advertising his music
Christians need to stop thinking everyone else is blind when they themselves don't even know what they believe, why they believe it and where there teachings come from. The doctrine of the trinity is false. I've studied the history of the trinity, tracing from Athanasius to Constantine and thanks to the Holy Spirit, I've left that belief. I believe in Jesus Christ, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, Son, and HS are not sperate "persons" but one person who has revealed Himself in more ways than one.
It's important to know, especially when telling others about our faith, the truth about out beliefs. The Trinity has always been a hot topic in the church for centuries after Jesus ascended. It's nothing new. This is a brief summary of the history concerning this doctrine. But centuries ago, in the late 200s and early 300s, the leaders of the Christians church were trying to figure out what the NT books meant when they talked about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Because we have to note that the NT books were compiled around the 3 or 4 century. And this caused confusion
The church leaders had no idea the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So out of confusion they began coming up with theories, marking out their positions, kicking each other out of the church, and breaking up (this is one of the things that caused the East and West schism which was the break of communion between the Catholic church and other churches)
and they told everyone who didn't believe in their doctrine that they would go to hell. The topic of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was one of, if not the biggest topic among Christian leaders in the year 325. The Roman Emperor Constantine who is sometimes seen as "the first Christian" emperor when in reality the guy was a pagan and saw religion as a way to expand and unite his empire. So Constantine along with some of the church bishops held a council in the town called Nicaea, and these bishops came up with the first version of the statement of faith that attempted to define the relationship between the Son and the Father. The statement they drafted is called the Nicene Creed which is what the vast majority of Christians and Christian churches have accepted as essential doctrine. And yet this is where the church got off track why? because although the Nicene creed does not contain the words "trinity" or "persons" (neither does the Bible by the way), what it DID say about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit set the church on a course towards the doctrine of the Trinity of persons. One or 2 centuries later, the Athanasian creed, another statement of faith which was composed and assembled by St Athanasius, greatly expanded on the Nicene creed and DID include the words "trinity" and persons. This introduced contradiction, confusion, and polytheism into the church even though no one wants to admit it.
(notice how none of them, not the church fathers, not Tertullian, or even St. Athanasius called upon the Lord, like the people in the Bible did. Whenever the children of the Lord wanted to know about God they called to Him and He answered. But in this situation, no one did that. None of them claim to even be inspired by God. All of this confusion was created by men trying to figure God out without the Spirit of God. God is not the author of confusion, but we get ourselves confused when we don't consult God about anything.
So what is the Trinity?
I don't know, I've never been able to figure it out, which is good for me because no one has ever been able to figure it out. When it comes down to it, even the people who believe in the trinity and teach it end up saying that "it's a mystery" that you just have to believe it. In other words, "I don't know either, but I have to believe or else I won't be considered a Christian and I will go to to hell."
But here's the idea of the trinity:
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 in one. Three who's one what. 3 persons sharing one essence. Each person is God, infinite, eternal, and uncreated; and each has a distinct role, but the 3 persons are still one God because they same essence and always act in unison.
No wonder it's called a mystery because in reality it makes no sense. This whole doctrine started when people tried to use their human minds to understand an immortal God without studying and consulting with Him. How can 3 persons be One God? If we look at it this way, how can 3 people be one person? Just because those 3 people are in essence, human, doesn't mean that they are one, those are clearly 3 separate people.
For many centuries, millions of words, and hundreds of people have tried to explain the trinity and none has succeeded. The fact is, no matter how many times believers of the trinity say it's one God, they are really thinking of 3. Their lips say "one" but their mind says 3. The Athanasian creed itself recognizes this when it says:
- The Father is one person, the Son is another, the Holy Spirit is another. But hte divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is one and their glory equal their majesty coeternal. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated. The Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord, nevertheless not 3 lords, one Lord. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God nevertheless not 3 gods but One God...just as the Christian truth compels us to confess each person indivudally as God and Lord, the catholic RELIGION forbids us to say 3 gods or three lords.
Because of religion, no one questions anything and this is why God hates religion. It's thru relationship God blessed Abraham, forgave David, and saved us through the shedding of His blood. But religion confuses and stops people from using their brains. The doctrine of the trinity is not a mystery it's a contradiction that is taught no where in the BIble and makes no sense at all.
@Precious LaBelle Thank you so much for your thoughtful response. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on Scripture as well as some other authors and figures in history such as Constantine. Well there is a whole lot to unpack in what you shared. Would make for a very good and very long discussion. Scripture supports without doubt that the trinity exists in many parts of the Bible. I think you would also agree that Scripture doesn't contradict itself. Denying the trinity contradicts God's Word and who He is. I love a lot of what Marcus Rogers (and Brandon Tatum for that matter) says, but they are wrong about the trinity. The Bible clearly teaches He is one God in three persons. This video nails it on this topic
@@viviennebaptiste You're also trying to understand something with your own mind and understanding. Going to the bible to know God more, to get His wisdom, is a completely different thing. It actually makes perfect sense when you experience it all in your life and see everything in the bible actually manifest in your life. He makes it make sense. We cannot.
You must not know your OT very well. Ancient and 1st century Jews did believe that Yahweh is binitarian, but was declared a heresy in the 1st and 2nd centuries for obvious reasons. Alan F Segal's book "Two Powers in Heaven" details how they got to that conclusion, the OT does have passages that make it rather apparent that it is the case. It is not unique to Christianity, but the nature of Yahweh as more than one person might be as old as Abraham and Jacob.
Jesus literally says “ The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak”!
what does that mean?
@@viviennebaptiste Our flesh is weak because it is easily led by things of the world. Our spirit on the other hand is stronger because our spirit know that we need God and is willing to do it. We all have a constant battle between our flesh and our spirit when we sin. Hopefully this kinda make sense.
His questions kind of back fires on him. If he quotes passages like the Father is greater than Jesus and the Father knows something that Son doesn't know, how in the world would it prove that it's all the same person if it's not distinct persons. Seems like Marcus Rogers has an inconsistent doctorine
He does. He’s VERY inconsistent.
Well, simple explanation a non-Trinitarian _could_ give is that they claim Jesus is the Messiah _[the Anointed One]_ and *not* God _[especially since, by definition, He'd _*_have_*_ to be omniscient, which means there's _*_nothing_*_ he 'wouldn't know']._
Brovo Sam! So well explained! 🙏🙏🙏💕💕💕
I respect prophet Marcus for humbling himself and asking things that he doesn't understand, thanks to you gents for responding with compassion, this allows other Christians who are still struggling with understanding certain issues to come forward knowing we will be treated with compassion 🙏🙏
Were there time constraints placed on Sam at the start that I missed?? He keeps bringing it up. It somewhat distracts from the subject matter.
Proud and love being Christian ✝️ 💕😘
Sam, what an amazing explanation of Adam being made in the image of God.
Excellent video !! Such a blessing 🙏
I love Marcus, I also love Steven, I've watched and listened to them both personally way before I knew they even debated. They are both gifts from the Lord and do have good teachings and messages. This is a really good video for understanding The Trinity. However, let us not bring Marcus down. We all see in part and know in part. Yes, I do believe he needs to humble himself in this circumstance. Yes, I do believe he is in misunderstanding when it comes to this topic. However, I also know he does have a fruitful ministry and has spoken things that have given me insight and has impacted my life. Marcus even had a dream/vision where he saw the Trinitarian Symbol (the triangle loops) come down into a golden bowel and a lid shut over the bowel (something like that). Now in my mind, that was God saying that there IS indeed a trinity, but they all "fit" into the category of Almighty God. Unfortunately, Marcus did not interpret it this way. That doesn't make him a false teacher/prophet, let us keep him in our prayers and continue to lift each other up in the Lord. Thank you for the clear and concise answers and explanation of the Trinity. Blessings.
But this isnt how Marcus sees it right now. He has since repented and says the Trinity is valid
Tehillah Ralph AMEN!!
When your praying to God you are praying to the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is God.
amen
Messiah said pray to the Father alone...
John 14:16
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;”
Matthew 6:6
But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your Father which sees in secret shall reward you openly
Philippians 4:6-7
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God (theos in greek). And the peace of God, which passes all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Yahshua ha Mashiaj.
This is the duty of the Holy Spirit according to Messiah.....
John 14:26-31
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
So, that's biblically incorrect
@@deepwildblue74 the same Spirit Of God raised Jesus and will also raise those who truly believe.
It depends....wich Holy Spirit . The hindoes also pray to a God named Holy Spirit. Praying to the Holy Spirit can be dangerous. It's more biblical and safer to pray to our heavenly father in Jesus name. And it's trough the Holy Spirit we pray, He is in us and leads our prayer to the Father. It's circle of prayer.
@@Henriette-van-der-Ende The Holy Spirit i pray to is the Spirit of Elohim.!
Often imitated, never duplicated : MR SHAMOUN!!!!
I am finally home ..thanks to Sam
"hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is one"
Maybe quote the verse correctly
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." This had been prayed for centuries before Jesus came
1. The Lord
2. Our God.
3. The Lord
Is one. 3 is one.
AND the Hebrew word used for one is echad - which we see used in the Bible to refer to one with multiple components i.e. a Unity with complexity within that unity [Genesis 1:5, Genesis 2:24, Numbers 13:23, Ezekiel 37:17]. There's a perfectly good word for one and one alone and that's 'yachid'. We don't see that used here. Why? Because God is more than one person.
@@michaal105 exactly brother! You save me time from typing the same thing! GBU
@@michaal105 God is one and the trinity is made up by religion and man to satisfy our sinful nature. Malachi 3:6 So when did God say I have three persons?
“Let US make man in OUR image...”
@@Simplysaid46 You asked, so read
In Genesis, the very first book of the bible - the very first words of the bible are (in Hebrew) Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth"
The verb used for create (Bara) is singular, yet God (Elohim) is in the plural form of the name.
Genesis 1:26 - Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
So we say God saying "Let us" meaning he wasn't alone but talking. And he said "own image" meaning that though there was more than one person in the Godhead, they shared the same image. Multiple in one - just as the trinity revealed.
Genesis 19:24 - Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven
So we find God on Earth calling down fire from God in heaven. 2 different persons, but same name (God).
In Deuteronomy 6:4, the 5th book of Moses, we read "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." This had been prayed for centuries before Jesus came
1. The Lord
2. Our God.
3. The Lord
Is one. 3 is one.
AND the Hebrew word used for one is echad - which we see used in the Bible to refer to one with multiple components i.e. a Unity with complexity within that unity [Genesis 1:5, Genesis 2:24, Numbers 13:23, Ezekiel 37:17]. There's a perfectly good word for one and one alone and that's 'yachid'. We don't see that used here. Why? Because God is more than one person.
And not just in the books of Moses; Even in the Psalms we find this
Psalm 45:6-7 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of joy above Your fellows.
So we see that God is being spoken to, and that God will anoint God. Again we see multiple persons in the Godhead.
The prophet Isaiah spoke of the coming Messiah as God
Isaiah 9:6 - For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Zechariah 2:8-9 - For thus says the LORD of hosts: "He sent Me after glory, to the nations which plunder you; for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye. For surely I will shake My hand against them, and they shall become spoil for your servants. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me"
-- The Lord of hosts sending the Lord of hosts; because God is more than one person.
You have a LOT to think about. Turn from the Unitarian heresy
Because of Sam deep understanding he can not even sit still when he hear people donot belive in trinity 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Because it's a false doctrine. I will show you something simple. The I AM statement in John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that *I am* he, ye shall die in your sins.
The word (he) is not in the manuscripts it is added to the translation. But anyway the text exposes this junk.
John 8: 25 Then said they unto him, *Who art thou?* And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you *from the beginning*
What did Jesus say at the beginning? This is in the same chapter John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, *I am the light of the world* he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Christ is the Light of the world, the only way. If you don't believe that, you will die in your sins. And not that He was claiming to be God!
@@JudeOne3Four : you showed and discussed John 8:25 and 8:12 -- however you confuse. Read it car3fully and invite Holy Spirit to guide you. As oneness, you sound like muslims who request where Jesus claim He is God.
@@setyoufree2726 Stop babbling and refute what i posted
@@JudeOne3Four would you like to debate with Brother Sam Shamoun?
@@JudeOne3Four do you believe Jesus is “the Mighty God,” “God,” “Jehovah,” and “Almighty” (Isaiah 9:6, Hebrews 1:8, 10 quoting Psalm 102:12, 25, Revelation 1:8)?
Or do you believe in a different Jesus who can’t save?
I need time stamps lol, i come back this every now and then
Thank God for this video! The debate with Steven had me so frustrated lol!
This was 🔥! So edifying! As an Evangelical, I acknowledge the trinity and I learned things. Especially since I am not extremely familiar with the original Greek and Hebrew. Basically, I am reliant on lexicons. Jon, I have been following you for years. I always enjoy your videos. Even though it was a bit long, I especially enjoyed this one! Sam is wow! A beautiful mind indeed. With a touch hilarity to boot! 🤣 I pray that Marcus would watch and humbly reassess his views. 🙏🏼
Trinity is not in the Scriptures, the definition of three person's into one is not in the Scriptures. It is a man made doctrine from Rome that denies the true identity of Jesus Christ. Romans 15:4 said...
"For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope."
But the mistake the Roman Catholic made is to embrace this teaching that was not written in the Word of God. Satan secretly send a man named Tertullian to start this Trinity doctrine that denies the true identity of Jesus Christ. 2 John 1:10-11 said...
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
We are insulting God to think he needs help from a man to come up with a doctrine that is not written, especially that has contradictions. Jesus is a person that's accurate. But God is not a person. John 4:24 said that God is Spirit. What kind of spirit? He is the Holy Spirit. That's why Jesus told his disciples that when you see me you see the Father because they're seeing the Word who was God manifested in the flesh (John 1:1, John 1:3). Jesus did two things, He speaks in behalf of the flesh and blood to set an example to mankind and He speaks as God. He sets examples to mankind like my 'Father is greater than me', ' No ones know when the Lord return', teaching them how to pray, minister, and baptized. And Jesus is God when he said, 'Before Abraham I Am' , ' If you don't believe that I am He, you will die in your sins'. 'I am the Way the Truth and the Life,' He walks on water, He heal the blinds and sick and of course, the Resurrection.
Behind that flesh is God doing all the operations. That's why 2 Cor 5:19 said
that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
This is why Jesus said I am not doing my will but the will of the Father because not only God is doing all the operations behind that flesh but set another example to mankind that the Spirit of the Lord gets all the credit, and not the flesh, which got a mind of its own.
Did you know Tertullian himself said 'Try to explain Trinity you will lose your mind, try to deny it will lose your soul'. Why the man who came up with this doctrine can't explain it? Google that if you think that's made up.
When you look at the Trinity ask yourself these questions. Which one is your Savior, for the Scriptures teaches there's only one Savior. Which one is your Lord for the Scriptures teaches we have only one Lord. Which one will sit on the Throne...By the way 'The Right Hand' in the Scriptures is a position of power it does not mean right next to Him.
Where in the Scriptures teaches Jesus is the second person. Where in the Scriptures teaches the Holy Spirit is the third. Do you see the disrespect and blasphemy Tertullian did towards God? Has a matter of fact, he broke the 3rd commandment.
Galatians 1:6-10
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--
which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.
Who do you believe? Tertullian or the Word of God Himself?
Time to treat 2 Timothy 3:16 seriously or you will be deceived by men. Just like Satan deceived Adam and Eve to make them think the information is approved by God. How you come to the conclusion that Trinity is approved by God.
When we face God after life you really think God will say 'Good job for believing in the Trinity, even though I never mentioned it the Scriptures, you took a chance and you gamble good'. You smarter than that.
A real Christian defends the Word of God and not a man made doctrine. Like it said in 2 John 1:11 'You share their wicked works".
Also look at the prophecy of Jesus is God in Isaiah 9:6
@@DP-bx5fg 🤦♂️ It’s painfully obvious that you did not even take time to watch the video before replying because many of the issues you raised were addressed in it. Therefore, I am not going to waste my time responding in depth to someone who is coming from a place of willful ignorance.✌🏼
@@kraffty1 Since you believe in the Trinity, who is Isaiah 9:6 talking about. Just let you know, I was a Trinitarian for 38 years. So if my approach rubs you the wrong way my apology. I feel some type of way when someone manipulate the scriptures to deceived anyone. If you are confident about your truth, explain Isaiah 9:6 and point out to me what I posted is wrong. If you can't. Then feel free to ignore me, I'll pray for you.
i loved this :)
The eternal Father has and eternal Son and there is an eternal Spirit.
yep
The Son is the Word made flesh, not the eternal son made flesh. God is Spirit.
The Son is eternal. The Father is NOT the Holy Spirit.
Have you heard of the heresy of adoptionism where Jesus is adopted by the Father at birth or his baptism or whenever?
@@waynehampson9569 the Holy spirit proceeds forth FROM THE FATHER, it is his OWN essence. He annoints with it.
Whaddo you said, read the books on trinitarism, but what about where it is revealed in scriptures?
A dear friend of mine became a "LAW" keeper and started taking Saturday holidays. He started eating "clean" food and what not. He is influenced by SDA teachings like the bible flock page guy and others. Please make a video concerning this. The LAW (commands) versus the law (ceremonial).
I followed Marcus' channel for a few months, and I can't remember what video turned me off, but I unsubscribed. I don't even remember what made me sub to begin with. 🤦🏼♀️
4:38 Yeah, many centuries ago around 350 A.D, the Nicene Creed came out with something called the "Trinity" Sponsored by Constantine the Great a Roman Emperor that praised the sun god. Do your research people!
I wish there was someone where I live like Sam to teach the bible
Thank you so much for this video, I learned so much and and explaining the Trinity in such a way that is not confusing while using scripture from Old and New Testaments.
The reason why the trinity is confusing is because it’s a false doctrine
Are you born of God because the trinity god is Satan and the churchianity is the Great whore
God is One Spirit made flesh
Satan is 3 spirits
Rev 16
13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Repart after me.
God is One Spirit above us all : FATHER : John 14 v 9, Romans 9 v 5
Through us All : Son Christ with us Matthew 1 v 22, 23
In us All : Christ in us : Galatians 2 v 20, Romans 8 v 9
Ephesians 4 v ) 4 There is one body(H) and one Spirit,(I) just as you were called to one hope when you were called(J); 5 one Lord,(K) one faith, one baptism; 6 *one God and Father of all,(L) who is over all and through all and in all.* (M).
A sentinelle of Christ appointed by Christ
Trinity is not in the Scriptures, the definition of three person's into one is not in the Scriptures. It is a man made doctrine from Rome that denies the true identity of Jesus Christ. Romans 15:4 said...
"For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope."
But the mistake the Roman Catholic made is to embrace this teaching that was not written in the Word of God. Satan secretly send a man named Tertullian to start this Trinity doctrine that denies the true identity of Jesus Christ. 2 John 1:10-11 said...
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
We are insulting God to think he needs help from a man to come up with a doctrine that is not written, especially that has contradictions. Jesus is a person that's accurate. But God is not a person. John 4:24 said that God is Spirit. What kind of spirit? He is the Holy Spirit. That's why Jesus told his disciples that when you see me you see the Father because they're seeing the Word who was God manifested in the flesh (John 1:1, John 1:3). Jesus did two things, He speaks in behalf of the flesh and blood to set an example to mankind and He speaks as God. He sets examples to mankind like my 'Father is greater than me', ' No ones know when the Lord return', teaching them how to pray, minister, and baptized. And Jesus is God when he said, 'Before Abraham I Am' , ' If you don't believe that I am He, you will die in your sins'. 'I am the Way the Truth and the Life,' He walks on water, He heal the blinds and sick and of course, the Resurrection.
Behind that flesh is God doing all the operations. That's why 2 Cor 5:19 said
that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
This is why Jesus said I am not doing my will but the will of the Father because not only God is doing all the operations behind that flesh but set another example to mankind that the Spirit of the Lord gets all the credit, and not the flesh, which got a mind of its own.
Did you know Tertullian himself said 'Try to explain Trinity you will lose your mind, try to deny it will lose your soul'. Why the man who came up with this doctrine can't explain it? Google that if you think that's made up.
When you look at the Trinity ask yourself these questions. Which one is your Savior, for the Scriptures teaches there's only one Savior. Which one is your Lord for the Scriptures teaches we have only one Lord. Which one will sit on the Throne...By the way 'The Right Hand' in the Scriptures is a position of power it does not mean right next to Him.
Where in the Scriptures teaches Jesus is the second person. Where in the Scriptures teaches the Holy Spirit is the third. Do you see the disrespect and blasphemy Tertullian did towards God? Has a matter of fact, he broke the 3rd commandment.
Galatians 1:6-10
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--
which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.
Who do you believe? Tertullian or the Word of God Himself?
Time to treat 2 Timothy 3:16 seriously or you will be deceived by men. Just like Satan deceived Adam and Eve to make them think the information is approved by God. How you come to the conclusion that Trinity is approved by God.
When we face God after life you really think God will say 'Good job for believing in the Trinity, even though I never mentioned it the Scriptures, you took a chance and you gamble good'. You smarter than that.
A real Christian defends the Word of God and not a man made doctrine. Like it said in 2 John 1:11 'You share their wicked works".
Also look at the prophecy of Jesus is God in Isaiah 9:6
Sounds like you’re saying Three eternal spirts Fell in Love and then combined to be One Eternal spirits? So which one was first? And what happens if one fall out of Love, could they divorce? No, No, No. Hear o Israel the Lord thy God, is One!
Strawman
I think that comes from a misunderstanding of the word Love. Love can show itself through different way. In the Bible, we saw that the Father loves the world (John 3:16), that the Father loves the Son (John 5:20). We also that the fruit of the Holy Spirit is love (Galations 5:22)
And so on. In the English the distinction between the different type of love, like eros, agape and etc is not really exhaustive if I may say. And also, today mentality portrait love only as romantic love, excluding the other type of love.
And God attribute is Love. God is Love. Just read 1 John 4.
Also, I love you.
Be bless!
Can you say if you're triune in nature?
So, about the first question: I believe in the person of the Son as existing before the creation of the world. But was He called the "son" before His incarnation? What does Psalm 2:7 mean? "You are my son, today I have begotten you"? He was always the second person of the Trinity, of course. But I think that is why John calls Him "the word" in the intro to his gospel.
This was very interesting. I really enjoyed this a lot . Keep up the great work 😊
😊 Yup
Acts 2:38 doesn't say baptized into the name of Jesus Christ... Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I really didn't have good grasp of the trinity until I started watching Sam, David and Jon.... eventhough I always have been a trinitarian.
You should check out Jay Dyer. Has great content on the Trinity