Like every UA-camr he still has a level of bias, it’s impossible to not, just makes sense that all of these you tubers are good resources when looking for a car, but never base a decision solely off of them
And yet still wrong on facts. This uses an intel atom processor, not Nvidia which was abandoned after they switched to MCU 2.0. Also everything can be controlled by voice, which is the redundant controls.
Did not cover track mode or sentry mode/dashcam. Did not test sound system. 0-60 is 3.1, 1/4 mile 11.8 not stated. Incomplete review. There is so much more.
@@Samuel-ym7ls but don't worry. They covered how my 300 mile car is irrelevant after 5 years because it's an iphone 1. Like I am going to landfill my 50k car where it covers 100% of my needs but I am merely inconvenienced a few more mins at the supercharger twice a year when i go on road trips. Wtf kind of thinking is this. They take this computer on wheels thing a little too far, as if my car in 5 years can't accelerate at 60 frames per second or something because the computer will be too slow..lol. Got to upgrade because your car can't handle 4k and ray tracing driving dynamics. You will not reach your destination due to dropped frames.
@@Samuel-ym7ls Sound system was tested in the previous base level video, feel free to check it out. Also, if you want cookie cutter videos which spew out the Wikipedia page and review commonplace aspects which are already covered a zillion times on UA-cam, then you're on the wrong channel! :)
This is one of the only Tesla reviews that seems genuine, honest, and no bias. Even my boys over at throttle house sounded like they were trying to sell Tesla's.
There are many car review channels out there but this one consistently provides detailed "real-world" evaluations. No fuss, no ratings, no quirks, no hype, just straight forward useable information. Thank you! This coming from a Tesla P85D owner.
Slight correction on the infotainment, it is powered by an Intel Atom E3800 series CPU exclusively. As of HW3, Tesla no longer use any Nvidia hardware in new production vehicles.
Fyi we did video on older model. Thats why I mentioned Intel and AMD as they are rumored to switch again. Do you know when they switched production in 2018 or when the cutoff was?
@@savagegeese HW3 switch over was in May 2019 but that was from HW2.5 which was also not NVidia. I don't think the Model 3 ever had NVidia for the AI computer as I think they fell out with Mobile Eye in ~2016. I'm less clear what the MCU computer was that controls the main infotainment and honestly this is the first I had heard it was powered by an Intel Atom but based on speed I could see it.
@@savagegeese April/May 2019 was when Tesla switched to their in-house designed HW3. Please note that the *infotainment* CPU is an independent system from the Autopilot one. Model S & X prior to March 2018 has a Nvidia Tegra 3 powered "MCU1" (which has ongoing lawsuits/recalls for faulty eMMC chips right now). Therefore iit is possible to have MCU1 & HW3 Autopilot if FSD was purchased. I believe since late 2017, all Model 3s are produced with Intel based infotainment. AMD rumors are still just rumors.
After almost ten years of Tesla news and reviews, this is the first review that was right down the middle. It’s about as unbiased as it can be. It’s nice just to learn about the car.
Man, Mark! You weren't kidding when you said that car is an echo chamber! In all the cars I've seen you give commentary in, or just talking to Jack, none of them sounded that bad.
Seriously the best car reviewer on UA-cam period. Extremely in-depth. You can tell you research and try to understand the car fully before filming. It’s more than just numbers and reactions like most reviewers.
Just purchased a 2019 Model 3 Performance with 34k miles and FSD for $20,600 after the EV tax credit. For this price point, it is an amazing vehicle and I can live with its shortcomings
A willingness to live with shortcomings is an admirable quality in a girlfriend, and understandable when buying used, but Tesla’s a ways off from earning my “new car” money. A lot of the appeal of a used Tesla, for me anyway, is that it’s an acceptable holding action until legacy car makers with decades of practice in quality assurance catch up. I can keep snapping trim pieces like rear trunk garnish back into place until then. ;-)
As a Tesla Model 3 Performance owner, going from a 2013 Prius for 7 years to this thing is definitely life changing in terms of daily fun, looking forward to driving every day, hitting tight corners, and the acceleration in sport mode is just ridiculous. Overall very happy with the purchase.
I think this is an interesting comment because I feel Tesla makes bad cars for the price and they don’t generally sell to the higher end market so most of their customers think jesus himself must have built the car because they’ve only ever driven a Honda civic
So many tesla haters its hilarious. Its all a “cult” blah blah. I dont care about Elon. The fact is when you drive a tesla, especially the newer models, they have gotten so much better. Quieter, better handling, and addictive acceleration that ICE cars cant touch for the price. The sound system on the LR models is fantastic. Its simply a fun car you cant wait to drive every day!
The frameless door windows seem like a risky choice for a company so inexperienced in car design/manufacturing. That’s gotta be a big contribution to the wind noise.
@@twystedhumour you can buy various after-market sound proofing kits for model 3s, but most reviews conclude the it makes just a marginal improvement. i owned a 3 series bmw (f30 2013) and a model 3 tesla and I would say that the model 3 is very quiet
@@savagegeese It’s kind of weird how you complained it cost $1000 to get your hands on a model 3 with the FSD beta, but you didn’t show a single clip of it in action. You showed the standard AUTOPILOT...that comes with every car. Look up any FSD beta video on UA-cam and you can clearly see the difference in the UI. It’s a dead giveaway. Very misleading, and misinformative to the viewer. FSD costs 10,000...that’s 1/6th the price of the actual car. I expected you to fully review the state of the beta and show examples of what you liked and didn’t like, and what exact improvements could be made. I don’t even think you have the beta bro. also the collecting data part, there is no way to create a fully functional autonomous car that can adapt to every environment without the use of machine learning, collecting data is essential, and no other automotive manufacturer could do it any other way. The most effective and efficient way to do this is through the millions of miles the customers will drive, it’s not as bad as you make it out to be.
@@JonFiya I cut out the additional ramblings of the FSD beta largely because it didnt work in our area until we got onto the Toll Way which was a 30 minute drive just to get there. What you saw was part of that trip to the tollway. I discussed it during final thoughts because we have a Tesla Model Y video also coming that is large part is identical the Model 3. So for purposes of spanning content I will make that a focus of that video. And before you make some kind of claim like I "made it up or didnt have it." you may ask yourself why would we do that? What would be the benefit to anyway including renting a model3 for the sole purposes of testing that function. (Which I have reciepts for and proof of the, car VIN that had the full beta enabled.) Did I gloss over it, yes. Does almost every Tesla fanboy that treats these cars as religion get butt hurt when you say something is less than perfect, yes.
@@seanleal591 Apparently not. They are behind on such things for the price range, but I expect them to improve a lot over time as they are very quick to make design changes.
@@iltrmb Yeah, that thud shocked me. I'm no interior snob (I know the difference between excellent quality and being built to a price.) That thud sounded like something I'd expect from a 2001 Chrysler 300M, not a new car. My Fusion Hybrid has a quieter interior, and it's not like it's a high quality interior. That glass roof really killed things.
Thanks for being so honest about this car. As a car and tech enthusiast, I’ve watched hundreds of Tesla video, and this is the most genuine. Great job 👍
The audience for this kind of content isn't that big. The more intelligent and mature it is aimed to be, the smaller it will be. Adding quality is superior to adding any kind of quantity, since the existence of one example adds that reality to the collective consciousness, so to speak. Quantity is so much easier. Of course, in some contexts there may be a practical need for quantity, so that has to be fulfilled. But that's a different stage of the process.
Because the reviews are technical, because he isn't an especially slick presenter, and because he is often reviewing performance cars that few are shopping for.
Hit the nail on the head. Quality definitely needs to be improved, but coming from a WRX it seemed nicer overall to me. I wanted that crazy acceleration, and the model 3 delivers on that
Credit where credit is due, this car looks like it performs great. However I hate everything about how it looks from the exterior to the interior. I'm not a fan of Tesla's aesthetics.
And to think being the performance model ot is 60k ish which makes you wonder what tesla is thinking cause every other auto maker delivers a better interior for that price!
It's the big screen, lack of gauges, and lack of personality to the driving experience that puts me off completely. Doesn't seem like Tesla's future plans want to walk back their "the driver doesn't matter" ethos, instead focusing on a mammalian blob of an entity occupying the interior whose inputs will be rendered obsolete with time.
I continue to keep the first iPhone 1 I bought 13 years ago. Hence, I was surprised to hear what SG had to say about the Model 3, as it reminded me of the same thing-buying the current products from Tesla could be like my iPhone 1, which pretty much got irrelevant in the following year of 2008. However, I do greatly appreciate how Tesla and Elon Musk were able to put out such an extraordinary vehicle when other OEMs were dragging their feet regarding BEVs. In any case, another wonderful video from SG. Thanks!
One big problem with the iPhone analogy, the Roadster will be 13 in February! Unlike the iPhone, you can still use the Roadster. The 60 kWh Model S is 8 years old and still running around.
@@aygwm I agree. The M3 interior noise is pretty loud. But my prior 2014 3 series was pretty loud too. Much worse than a Camry. Long road trips were very tiresome.
Basically all true … Still 10k miles on my model 3 performance and each day is still just as fun as day 1. Autopilot is not “perfect” but still used daily. 2022 cabin is fine. Sound system great. For the price and how violently fast it is , who cares about the flaw’s for the price. Maybe upgrade the sway bar and coil overs? then most of the handling “issues “ (which are not really bad at all ) are gone.
I needed this to keep me from rushing into buying a Tesla. Maybe a used one when the next generation causes people to dump these. In 5 years there will be many EV choices.
Personally I'd do as you said and wait. We dont know if these cars have failures later in life and maybe a future one will be significantly better and fixes the current issues.
@@guidedprismg.e.w.p5673 there's definitely no a disadvantage to waiting but the batteries and motors are guaranteed for 8 years and there's plenty of Model S cars with over 200,000 miles already and those batteries and motors are not as good as what's in the new cars. Advances like the new heat pump are definitely a step in the right direction though
@@Shiftheads well tesla is going to be bankrupt soon, so a little wait will not hurt anybody. Instead, once the tesla goes bankrupt in 2 years time you can afford any tesla for penny's worth 😉.
I just realized that this video is 3 years old? No new reviews of the teslas is possible? Maybe an update comparison of this video versus the new model?
Yeah it actually makes it hard to understand them and is so much worse than their other reviews. I think phone calls in this car are virtually impossible...
Most high horsepower cars have trouble handling an entire track day too, even cars that people believe are bullet proof, like some porsche models. If you drive hard you can get engine failures from oil starvation, overheated brakes, worn out pads, overheated diffs/transmissions, tires etc. Depends on the track/weather and how hard you push of course but a ~460hp car that can just lap all day without stuff wearing out is pretty expensive
The only thing I would worry about in regards to Tesla is customer service and the occasional poor build quality (like gaps on the exterior) or some interior flaws. A lot of their vehicles though don't have this problem (well at least my wife's 2021 Model Y performance doesn't have that issue). However, build quality is a valid concern.
This guy does the best in-depth car reviews on the web, hands down. Hey Savage Geese, you should also start doing some motorcycle reviews. Would love to see some in-depth videos on certain Ducati's, BMW's, Aprilia's, etc.
@@Frexican54 It'd be great. If you enjoyed their reactions when driving that Ferrari 458, can't imagine their reaction on a Tuono or Streetfighter, which would blow the ferrari away from excitement level.
Now that you mentioned it, in the driving portion it’s so evident the voices echo all over. The mic’s sound different in this video than pretty much any other you’ve made - and I’ve seen many. Unless it’s new microphones, I think that perfectly proves your point of too much glass. Great work as always!
Wrong about the touchscreen.... some people also said that when smartphones came around “Ohh we need buttons”..... I wouldn’t have my Model 3 Performance with buttons.
I was watching and wondering if it was the A.C. or heater. Then they stopped. It got quiet. Interior sound is a major sales consideration for me. My '15 Outback is so much quieter than many cars. Damn..
I’ve driven one of these, and the actual road/wind noise level didn’t seem any higher than in a normal car of the same price point. I think not having any engine noise makes all of the other noises a lot more noticeable.
@@splewy ehm dude, i had the model s for a 1000mile road trip and for the price tag of any tesla car, the loudness level is just absolutely unacceptable. I always thought that one of the few benefits of an EV is me being in my little capsule, isolated from the outside world only hearing a bit of wind and tire noise and otherwise enjoy music in a new way in my car. reality is, the car is as "loud" as my old shitbox chevy for 15k and on top of that the speaker system is complete shit. these cars are still beta testers. man was i glad that i didnt own that car haha
They are somewhere around Woodstock, IL; I don't know the exact road. The slower cars they start the test drive at Fisher Rd just South of 120 in Volo, IL
Oh boy, a Tesla review, I sure hope the Tesla fanboys comments section isn't calling the extremely knowledgeable and experienced car reviewer a sham for pointing out commonly known problems with the car!
you are one of the top car review channels, crazy you don't have 1 million subs. However what makes you good is your technical knowledge which might not appeal to the masses. Keep up the good work
Lots of great content here, so I’ll just pick one major nit- I’m not sure I agree with the “disposable” part (at least, not any more so than any other modern cars). My model 3 is at 3 years old, and isn’t going anywhere. Ditto for the model s owners I know back to 2013 or so. In particular, I take issue with your implication that 300 miles of range will be pointless/thrown out in a few years when EVs have 600 mile range. They won’t. Batteries are just too heavy and too expensive. Automakers aren’t even willing to build many ICE cars with that kind of range, and an extra 12 gallons of fuel tank weighs and costs almost nothing. Yes, due to charge rate, EVs and ICE vehicles may have different optimum range, but the market will choose an ideal range based on charge time, weight, cost, and performance. And it won’t be anywhere near 600mi.
I'm sitting here grooving to the music, and then I read you create it yourself. Keep up the amazing quality man. You deserve to be bigger than any other car youtuber out there.
@@markmiller3279 but he failed to mention why he didn’t show/review any actual footage of the Full self driving beta, all he showed was footage of the autopilot that comes with every single Tesla. He was talking specifically about the beta but didn’t actually show any examples of it, and I promise you if you look up any recent videos of the beta it’s waaaay farther along than he makes it out to be in this video...kinda misleading. Edit- he did end up clarifying why the FSD beta wasn’t fully reviewed in the comments section.
There's a mistake in the video, Model 3/Y and Model S/X for a few years use an Intel Atom soc, the nvidia tegra2 is a thing of the past and was never used on the 3. The old neural network processor was nvidia iirc and that shipped in early FSD model3, but the new one is made by tesla.
I agree with most of what you say. However, the disposable discussion overlooks the fact that this car has and will get continual software updates to keep it feeling new and fresh. No other car has that. It's minimalistic interior also helps this point, as it can't really look dated with how simplistic it is. The UI of the screen is so much the character of the car, that a major UI revision makes it feel almost like a new car. Regarding handling, I think Tesla did a very good job based on their experience and history. You also have to remember the tires are abnormally skinny to improve range, compared to something like a BMW M3 or Mercedes C63. That being said, I feel it's an excellent handling car for the road, and considering it's weight. I've never experienced a car this heavy that feels so light. Most of it's ICE competition, such as the M3, weigh several hundred pounds less. Something like a Honda Accord 2.0T is near 1000 lbs less. The fact that a car this heavy handles this well on 235mm tires with an open differential is impressive. And track mode really opens up the options. For those looking for a dedicated track car, this isn't it. But if you want a practical and fun daily driver that is toss-able, capable, and quick, it's very compelling. On the flip side, I completely agree with the quality side of things. While the refreshed 2021 3 has the double pained glass and a few other improvements, interior noise and rattles could be better. Just a bit more attention to detail in this regard would be appreciated. But the interior feels sturdy and pretty durable. But I think it's a bargain for the money. No other company can currently give you this level of performance, practicality, and range at this price point. This will change, but Tesla still has the advantage of being fast to evolve and adapt compared to the competition. This is likely one of the reasons their Build Quality is worse. I look forward to 5 years from now when the 2026 Model 3 is competing with mid-sized near-luxury EV cars also in the $35-65k range.
@@Hmmmthatsprettyfvckinclose nah it is actually great for the money but they need to get the fire thing figured out. You can get one dirt cheap even new right now
@@Shiftheads they did release a patch but it limits your battery range to 90% because the fires came with batteries being too close to full. chevy is getting class action-ed over lower battery capacity than promised (someone claims their car only has a 57wh battery when it should be 60, plus the whole reduced range by 10 percent thing). they did a recall on the cars (which is great that they did, especially considering GM's past with the ignition switch scandal) i think owners of the model S sued for a similar thing because they also had an update reduce range after that battery fire of that one in the parking garage went viral. i don't think that went anywhere, but class actions usually take a while to resolve
@@markmiller3279 we could say the same about Model 3 with the terrible assembly quality and other issues. I love all the Teslas but definitely have their issues too. The Bolt isn't unattractive it's just not trying to be flashy or garish.
These things are already rusting out here in eastern Canada. Poor lower body design, inconsistent paint thickness and no mud flaps means tons of road grime and rock projection against the rocker panels. There's a huge opening in front of the rear wheel well that accumulates road grime and accelerates rust behind the panels. The rear underbelly aero panel also collects tons of dirt and debris, some garages state they sometimes knock off about 50 pounds worth when they take the panel off. Some guy here in Montreal had a 35 000 km (22 000 miles) model 3 with rusted out rockers. Some people start noticing paint problems within 5000 km (3000 miles). Tesla claims it isn't covered under warranty, they consider driving on roads where rocks and road debris are present negligence. Pretty abysmal for a car that costs 60 000$ in Canada.
SG, another great job - really appreciate the production values and the honest review. Between this and the recent LFA content you guys are really hitting it out of the park.....
Exellent review, it certainly is early days for Tesla. Apparently the build quality has greatly improved from their purpose built factory in Shanghai and we can probably expect even more of the same in Berlin and Austin. A nice thing about Tesla is they're extremely quick learners and constantly innovating.
Electric cars *could* be built to be upgradable to the extreme. They are already component-based... as batteries improve, software improves, etc. The car itself could last a long time.
Right now being pressured from all directions by one paid project, one hobby project with friends, two university projects and now I can finally relax and procrastinate even more by watching a savagegeese video :D
I'm a truck driver. I drive 544 miles per night from Garland Texas through Austin to Schertz Texas and back. I never see Teslas being driven fast and I never see Chargers being driven slow. 20:01
Really love the final thoughts segment, and the exploration of the concept that this car is a disposable product. To an extent, perhaps all cars are, but this is a tech product first and foremost. There's always going to be the new hotness, and for that, people will always want to ditch their current model for the latest. Perhaps it's more of an American consumerism problem than anything, but that's entirely antithetical to Tesla's "green" image and I wish more people talked about it!
i mean there's also that underground tunnel concept only for teslas that they talked about wanting to make at some point that's literally just a subway train but worse. public transit so people don't have to own a car if they don't particularly want to is a solution for some environment saving but tesla/elon musk isn't really for that (understandable since they build vehicles only for personal use. and i guess those semi truck concepts for business. it'd be cool if they made a bus that was like an electric streetcar but didn't need to use train tracks). relying on personal consumption of electric cars to solve all environmental troubles isn't a good idea generally. what tesla did do which was cool was make electric cars cool and force others brands to actually try and make good electric cars. i feel like the environmental stuff is really just a side effect reason to their main mission. their company goal is to make an iphone on wheels, saving the planet is just a side effect which i don't think they really care about much beyond the government green rebates making their cars a better option for consumers. maybe the cynicism about the environment stuff is just from me seeing people focus more on the tech than anything else.
@@arsenalfanatic09 it's similar to what happened with plastics in the 50s-60s: they considered it an indestructible material (in normal use... far from heat, lol), and they made so many things from it that it became ubiquitous. then we found out how much it contributed to pollution. so, i wonder when the boomerang-effect will happen for EVs, and technology in general.
@@twystedhumour 50-60s: hey let's use this new light and durable material for things that'll last a really long time now: hey let's use this material that takes millions of years to break down for packaging you use once and crappy cheap stuff that breaks in less than a year
That's fine for someone to want to upgrade to the new model, _if_ I can buy their car and use it for years to come. The company has to provide long-lasting quality and factory support, or they lose any green credentials and justify all the criticisms.
I agree with what geese said about handling. I have a M3P and the car is heavy and you can feel it when you take corners. Canyon driving you it’s hard to take hard turn with out the front end wanting to wash out or you end up loosing too much speed to get optimum grip.
Here I am three years later in my 2019 performance M3 and it’s only gotten better. It’s not disposable as you would think because software updates have allowed it to gain performance and I was able to upgrade the CPU to hardware which lets the car drive itself Effectively. Let me repeat I was able to upgrade the computer in my car for $1000 and give it a whole new level of driving capability. I’ve never in my 40 years of driving Had a car that I could upgrade like this. Every other car did everything it could to make itself obsolete either through styling or features so that I would want the newer car. This is the first car ever where the manufacturer worked so hard to keep my car fresh. The power is still mind blowing and i’ve never loved the car as much as this one.
Going to be very interesting over the next 5 years to see how fast Elon/Tesla can ramp up and improve. What they've done in a short period of time is amazing, not sure I'd bet against them.
Great review as always. I bought my RCF because of you and the next vehicle I purchase, must pass through, The Crucible of the Goose before I do. Cheers!
Which car? He says rented a second car specifically to test those features. It's not the car he shows in most of the video, except briefly at the end. Given he talks about the autonomous lane changes being poor, I strongly suspect the second one he rented did have the FSD Beta running.
@@markmiller3279 You have to agree to an NDA in order to be a Beta tester. Only with this latest version can people publicly share the experience. I doubt he rented a car with the actual FSD Beta unless it was a private owner. Even then, savagegeese didn't seem like he experienced it or knew what he was talking about.
The 15% reduction you mention in cold climates, is that due to simply battery temperature and decreased performance, or the additional loading due to heating the car....or both? Thank you
@Bucky Fiden I'd find that pretty surprising myself. When it's 0F outside, the heater running a significant period of time....I'd be quite surprised if it's only a 15% reduction in total distance. I feel like temperature alone could easily cause that 15% difference.
Honestly, the best part about owning a Tesla with the autonomous driving capability is now I can eat my sloppy McRib while driving to Planet Fitness.
A full slab of McRibs on the dash sounds like an express train to culinary heaven.
@@savagegeese I'm getting two for lunch today, I'll tag you on IG!
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You forgot to mention while downloading the newest update that increases your
horsepower. 👀
Just one problem. It doesn't exist.
The only reviever I truly respect. One of the very few that has actually done his homework and knows what hes talking about
Plus they actually track and drive their cars hard
Yeah it beats the lammas ass
Its fairly basic stuff though
Like every UA-camr he still has a level of bias, it’s impossible to not, just makes sense that all of these you tubers are good resources when looking for a car, but never base a decision solely off of them
@@buytheredcar yup
I subscribed to savagegeese, and I got my pardon from the governor the next day!
me too.
and i dont even live in a political system with governors....
ok
I subscribed, and my dad finally told me he was proud of me!
No I didn't.
Narrator: He didn’t.
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*thousands of model 3 video "reviews" out there... yet he is managing to make the best (complete) and most objective one in only 25 mins!* ❤️
Right? All those Model 3 “reviews” videos are comical compared to this. They all basically suck balls.
And yet still wrong on facts. This uses an intel atom processor, not Nvidia which was abandoned after they switched to MCU 2.0. Also everything can be controlled by voice, which is the redundant controls.
Did not cover track mode or sentry mode/dashcam. Did not test sound system. 0-60 is 3.1, 1/4 mile 11.8 not stated. Incomplete review. There is so much more.
@@Samuel-ym7ls but don't worry. They covered how my 300 mile car is irrelevant after 5 years because it's an iphone 1. Like I am going to landfill my 50k car where it covers 100% of my needs but I am merely inconvenienced a few more mins at the supercharger twice a year when i go on road trips. Wtf kind of thinking is this.
They take this computer on wheels thing a little too far, as if my car in 5 years can't accelerate at 60 frames per second or something because the computer will be too slow..lol. Got to upgrade because your car can't handle 4k and ray tracing driving dynamics. You will not reach your destination due to dropped frames.
@@Samuel-ym7ls Sound system was tested in the previous base level video, feel free to check it out. Also, if you want cookie cutter videos which spew out the Wikipedia page and review commonplace aspects which are already covered a zillion times on UA-cam, then you're on the wrong channel! :)
This is one of the only Tesla reviews that seems genuine, honest, and no bias. Even my boys over at throttle house sounded like they were trying to sell Tesla's.
15:03 those farmers must be like "Ohh it's those two guys again who love speeding past our farm".
I think of this every video haha.
There are many car review channels out there but this one consistently provides detailed "real-world" evaluations. No fuss, no ratings, no quirks, no hype, just straight forward useable information. Thank you! This coming from a Tesla P85D owner.
I can’t hit like enough to express my approval to this video, this is one of the most objective in depth videos without the EV hype I’ve ever seen.
come on, Jose, it's just a few more hundred ineffectual clicks... lol.
@@twystedhumour TBH, my comment is part of my intention of bump up the algorithm numbers for Mr Goose.
Slight correction on the infotainment, it is powered by an Intel Atom E3800 series CPU exclusively. As of HW3, Tesla no longer use any Nvidia hardware in new production vehicles.
Fyi we did video on older model. Thats why I mentioned Intel and AMD as they are rumored to switch again. Do you know when they switched production in 2018 or when the cutoff was?
@@savagegeese HW3 switch over was in May 2019 but that was from HW2.5 which was also not NVidia. I don't think the Model 3 ever had NVidia for the AI computer as I think they fell out with Mobile Eye in ~2016. I'm less clear what the MCU computer was that controls the main infotainment and honestly this is the first I had heard it was powered by an Intel Atom but based on speed I could see it.
@@savagegeese April/May 2019 was when Tesla switched to their in-house designed HW3. Please note that the *infotainment* CPU is an independent system from the Autopilot one. Model S & X prior to March 2018 has a Nvidia Tegra 3 powered "MCU1" (which has ongoing lawsuits/recalls for faulty eMMC chips right now). Therefore iit is possible to have MCU1 & HW3 Autopilot if FSD was purchased. I believe since late 2017, all Model 3s are produced with Intel based infotainment. AMD rumors are still just rumors.
@@gregb7353 Tesla need alert.
Probably the best thumbnail you've ever made.
Musk magic
That dent in the wheel at 8:12 is giving me anxiety
Don't be gentle , It's a rental.
Ich auch.
It's not, but I totally get you.
I hate the thin wheel style. Never understood why that is so popular.
Take some Xanax
After almost ten years of Tesla news and reviews, this is the first review that was right down the middle. It’s about as unbiased as it can be. It’s nice just to learn about the car.
Man, Mark! You weren't kidding when you said that car is an echo chamber! In all the cars I've seen you give commentary in, or just talking to Jack, none of them sounded that bad.
Some say that this geese man is secretly worth more than Elon Musk’s entire net worth
And that he makes his money on cover songs and live karaoke 🤨
All we know is, he’s called the Geese!
Some say that the Model 3 looks like an egg and has low build quality. I say they're correct.
he lost half his wealth in the divorce from turbowski
@@mothaybabonnam5632 turbo who?
@@80s_Boombox_Collector exactly
Seriously the best car reviewer on UA-cam period. Extremely in-depth. You can tell you research and try to understand the car fully before filming. It’s more than just numbers and reactions like most reviewers.
Dearest Mr. Geese, please bless us with a Porsche Taycan review this holiday season!
Just purchased a 2019 Model 3 Performance with 34k miles and FSD for $20,600 after the EV tax credit. For this price point, it is an amazing vehicle and I can live with its shortcomings
A willingness to live with shortcomings is an admirable quality in a girlfriend, and understandable when buying used, but Tesla’s a ways off from earning my “new car” money. A lot of the appeal of a used Tesla, for me anyway, is that it’s an acceptable holding action until legacy car makers with decades of practice in quality assurance catch up. I can keep snapping trim pieces like rear trunk garnish back into place until then. ;-)
As a Tesla Model 3 Performance owner, going from a 2013 Prius for 7 years to this thing is definitely life changing in terms of daily fun, looking forward to driving every day, hitting tight corners, and the acceleration in sport mode is just ridiculous. Overall very happy with the purchase.
I think this is an interesting comment because I feel Tesla makes bad cars for the price and they don’t generally sell to the higher end market so most of their customers think jesus himself must have built the car because they’ve only ever driven a Honda civic
Couldnt be further from the truth Lol @@car_tar3882
So many tesla haters its hilarious. Its all a “cult” blah blah. I dont care about Elon. The fact is when you drive a tesla, especially the newer models, they have gotten so much better. Quieter, better handling, and addictive acceleration that ICE cars cant touch for the price. The sound system on the LR models is fantastic. Its simply a fun car you cant wait to drive every day!
Completely unrelated, but that lighting in the closing thoughts segment is fantastic.
8:12 - Gotta love 20 inch wheels. Car's brand new and it's already bent to shit. Engineering explained found this out the hard way.
Fuck yeah
Folks…believe it or not, I just sold my corvette and got a model 3 performance! What an awesome car to drive! The torque is just insane
I hit subscribe and was immediately assaulted by hot women at the local farmers market
The frameless door windows seem like a risky choice for a company so inexperienced in car design/manufacturing. That’s gotta be a big contribution to the wind noise.
My bmw convertible has frame less doors. Noise is fine
Personally I think it’s quiet inside, though if you are after a mobile anechoic chamber, then I believe that they now come with double glazed glass
@@myaccount__7269 Yeah but it's a bmw not a tesla
@@Miguelsw would any lamination applied to the interior glass help with the sound absorption?
@@twystedhumour you can buy various after-market sound proofing kits for model 3s, but most reviews conclude the it makes just a marginal improvement.
i owned a 3 series bmw (f30 2013) and a model 3 tesla and I would say that the model 3 is very quiet
I always get so sad hearing that last piano music
The production quality of these videos is unparalleled!
Finally an honest review thats not completely shitting or fanboying Tesla
2:35 Look at panel gap on the hood.
That’s pretty bad not gonna lie
#justteslathings
Tesla is the king of panel gaps.
@THEODORE SWEET 🙄It is a hood.
I just bought one. I'm surely going to get in trouble with all the Tesla nerds doing douche wraps and tinted taillights.
Its a great car from a paint correction and detail perspective. A LOT to do.
And Matt can surely eat a zebra cake while in auto pilot..
@@savagegeese It’s kind of weird how you complained it cost $1000 to get your hands on a model 3 with the FSD beta, but you didn’t show a single clip of it in action. You showed the standard AUTOPILOT...that comes with every car. Look up any FSD beta video on UA-cam and you can clearly see the difference in the UI. It’s a dead giveaway. Very misleading, and misinformative to the viewer. FSD costs 10,000...that’s 1/6th the price of the actual car. I expected you to fully review the state of the beta and show examples of what you liked and didn’t like, and what exact improvements could be made. I don’t even think you have the beta bro. also the collecting data part, there is no way to create a fully functional autonomous car that can adapt to every environment without the use of machine learning, collecting data is essential, and no other automotive manufacturer could do it any other way. The most effective and efficient way to do this is through the millions of miles the customers will drive, it’s not as bad as you make it out to be.
@@JonFiya I cut out the additional ramblings of the FSD beta largely because it didnt work in our area until we got onto the Toll Way which was a 30 minute drive just to get there. What you saw was part of that trip to the tollway. I discussed it during final thoughts because we have a Tesla Model Y video also coming that is large part is identical the Model 3. So for purposes of spanning content I will make that a focus of that video. And before you make some kind of claim like I "made it up or didnt have it." you may ask yourself why would we do that? What would be the benefit to anyway including renting a model3 for the sole purposes of testing that function. (Which I have reciepts for and proof of the, car VIN that had the full beta enabled.) Did I gloss over it, yes. Does almost every Tesla fanboy that treats these cars as religion get butt hurt when you say something is less than perfect, yes.
@@savagegeese name calling doesn't improve the review.
Yikes. The wind noise and overall sound that gets into the car really comes through during the driving segment.
That's because there's no other noises to cover it up. The wind noise would be just about the same in any other sports car.
@@seanleal591 Apparently not. They are behind on such things for the price range, but I expect them to improve a lot over time as they are very quick to make design changes.
I rented one in the same area. Listen to thud, thud, thud ... at 20:00. 45 psi tires and also the glass roof reflects noise.
@@iltrmb Yeah, that thud shocked me. I'm no interior snob (I know the difference between excellent quality and being built to a price.) That thud sounded like something I'd expect from a 2001 Chrysler 300M, not a new car. My Fusion Hybrid has a quieter interior, and it's not like it's a high quality interior. That glass roof really killed things.
No engine dude.....
Thanks for being so honest about this car. As a car and tech enthusiast, I’ve watched hundreds of Tesla video, and this is the most genuine. Great job 👍
Unlike most here bashing Tesla I daily drive one.. and love every second of it... misaligned panels and all... never going back to an ICE car.
Quality review as always, how is Savagegeese not at 1M yet
Because he doesn’t do infomercials.
Too honest.
The audience for this kind of content isn't that big. The more intelligent and mature it is aimed to be, the smaller it will be.
Adding quality is superior to adding any kind of quantity, since the existence of one example adds that reality to the collective consciousness, so to speak. Quantity is so much easier.
Of course, in some contexts there may be a practical need for quantity, so that has to be fulfilled. But that's a different stage of the process.
Because the reviews are technical, because he isn't an especially slick presenter, and because he is often reviewing performance cars that few are shopping for.
@@markmiller3279 Who isn't reviewing performance cars among regular cars? I see no connection between that and audience size.
Hit the nail on the head. Quality definitely needs to be improved, but coming from a WRX it seemed nicer overall to me. I wanted that crazy acceleration, and the model 3 delivers on that
Wrx is almost gone, new ride Tesla
You've done the impossible, and made me like Tesla. I still prefer a car with a good sound, but I appreciate what they're doing.
Credit where credit is due, this car looks like it performs great. However I hate everything about how it looks from the exterior to the interior. I'm not a fan of Tesla's aesthetics.
The interior is horrible. Just looks cheap. I personally like the exterior but dear god that interior.
And to think being the performance model ot is 60k ish which makes you wonder what tesla is thinking cause every other auto maker delivers a better interior for that price!
In general the car already looks dated, which is crazy for how new it is.
@@aygwm The Model 3 looks like what you'd get if you fired up a time machine, went to the year 2000, and asked someone to design a futuristic car.
It's the big screen, lack of gauges, and lack of personality to the driving experience that puts me off completely. Doesn't seem like Tesla's future plans want to walk back their "the driver doesn't matter" ethos, instead focusing on a mammalian blob of an entity occupying the interior whose inputs will be rendered obsolete with time.
I continue to keep the first iPhone 1 I bought 13 years ago. Hence, I was surprised to hear what SG had to say about the Model 3, as it reminded me of the same thing-buying the current products from Tesla could be like my iPhone 1, which pretty much got irrelevant in the following year of 2008. However, I do greatly appreciate how Tesla and Elon Musk were able to put out such an extraordinary vehicle when other OEMs were dragging their feet regarding BEVs. In any case, another wonderful video from SG. Thanks!
One big problem with the iPhone analogy, the Roadster will be 13 in February! Unlike the iPhone, you can still use the Roadster. The 60 kWh Model S is 8 years old and still running around.
Can’t wait to see your review of the 2024 Performance version…
This needs a retake with a 2023 model
I noticed one of the rear wheels has a rim dent
really , really sounded poor while talking during the drive.
noisy as hell.
paul pellico there is A LOT of road and wind noise in the model 3, especially on the highway
Yeah, it basically feels and sounds like a Camry but worse
Our packs went bad sadly ☹️ during the drive so we were using the internal mics off the cameras and sound recorders.
@@aygwm I agree. The M3 interior noise is pretty loud. But my prior 2014 3 series was pretty loud too. Much worse than a Camry. Long road trips were very tiresome.
Ive been in one. Its crazy when a similarly sized ICE car like a Civic or Impreza is quieter on the road than the performance model.
Basically all true …
Still 10k miles on my model 3 performance and each day is still just as fun as day 1. Autopilot is not “perfect” but still used daily. 2022 cabin is fine. Sound system great. For the price and how violently fast it is , who cares about the flaw’s for the price. Maybe upgrade the sway bar and coil overs? then most of the handling “issues “ (which are not really bad at all ) are gone.
I needed this to keep me from rushing into buying a Tesla. Maybe a used one when the next generation causes people to dump these. In 5 years there will be many EV choices.
Rush into it you won't regret it. Trust me
Personally I'd do as you said and wait. We dont know if these cars have failures later in life and maybe a future one will be significantly better and fixes the current issues.
@@guidedprismg.e.w.p5673 there's definitely no a disadvantage to waiting but the batteries and motors are guaranteed for 8 years and there's plenty of Model S cars with over 200,000 miles already and those batteries and motors are not as good as what's in the new cars. Advances like the new heat pump are definitely a step in the right direction though
@@Shiftheads well tesla is going to be bankrupt soon, so a little wait will not hurt anybody. Instead, once the tesla goes bankrupt in 2 years time you can afford any tesla for penny's worth 😉.
@@ghq8982 if you think that let me see your Tesla short position
I just realized that this video is 3 years old? No new reviews of the teslas is possible? Maybe an update comparison of this video versus the new model?
Man you weren't kidding with the way your voice reverberates off of the surfaces in it.
If there ever was a purgatory. This would be it
Yeah it actually makes it hard to understand them and is so much worse than their other reviews. I think phone calls in this car are virtually impossible...
and now you can get your very own for just 55k
@@hazardeur where do I sign my kidneys away
don't worry, @@THESLlCK i'll take em off ya
@@hazardeur here's a razor, can't wait for that beautiful plastic interior
I’m so surprised/happy at the lack of Tesla hate in the comments. I think it’s a great company and I think people are slowly starting to realize that.
TMW wanting a reliable comment is hate
This channel is going to receive the recognize it deserves as the BEST automotive review channel. Its already the go-to channel for reddit
Please do the new one, the 2024 Model 3 performance. I have one on order and am hearing it’s ridiculously better in quality and dynamics.
I was just about to say this. Please review the 2024 M3P.
Excellent review. I’d love to see a savagegeese review of the Taycan
He did it a couple of months ago if you look at his channel
@@LJ-fr1ei I only see the Cayenne, Macan, and 911. Could be PEBKAC.
@@vgame64 oops I thought you said the cayenne. My bad
Most high horsepower cars have trouble handling an entire track day too, even cars that people believe are bullet proof, like some porsche models. If you drive hard you can get engine failures from oil starvation, overheated brakes, worn out pads, overheated diffs/transmissions, tires etc. Depends on the track/weather and how hard you push of course but a ~460hp car that can just lap all day without stuff wearing out is pretty expensive
Well, the Camaro SS 1le is one of those that is engineered for that usage with 455hp). GM even warranties cars that see the track.
@@Aaron-sn3sn Yeah and that is a remarkable car because of it, and it *still* gets worn out by hard driving eventually.
I love the company and the mission, but I just can’t own a Tesla at this point in time. Too many compromises. Balanced and thorough review!
The only thing I would worry about in regards to Tesla is customer service and the occasional poor build quality (like gaps on the exterior) or some interior flaws. A lot of their vehicles though don't have this problem (well at least my wife's 2021 Model Y performance doesn't have that issue). However, build quality is a valid concern.
thinking about buying a used 2020 for $18K, for daily to get to work
This guy does the best in-depth car reviews on the web, hands down. Hey Savage Geese, you should also start doing some motorcycle reviews. Would love to see some in-depth videos on certain Ducati's, BMW's, Aprilia's, etc.
Somebody asked him this in one of his livestreams, and Mark said he doesn't ride motorcycles although I think Jack said that he does.
@@Frexican54 It'd be great. If you enjoyed their reactions when driving that Ferrari 458, can't imagine their reaction on a Tuono or Streetfighter, which would blow the ferrari away from excitement level.
I’ve watched over 20 videos about the 3P and this is by far the best. Thank you.
Now that you mentioned it, in the driving portion it’s so evident the voices echo all over. The mic’s sound different in this video than pretty much any other you’ve made - and I’ve seen many. Unless it’s new microphones, I think that perfectly proves your point of too much glass. Great work as always!
I thought it was just me it had a lot of road noise and lots of echo
Wrong about the touchscreen.... some people also said that when smartphones came around “Ohh we need buttons”.....
I wouldn’t have my Model 3 Performance with buttons.
Love how you can hear SO MUCH road noise during the behind the wheel portion. Wind noise and tire roar galore
I was watching and wondering if it was the A.C. or heater. Then they stopped. It got quiet. Interior sound is a major sales consideration for me. My '15 Outback is so much quieter than many cars. Damn..
I’ve driven one of these, and the actual road/wind noise level didn’t seem any higher than in a normal car of the same price point. I think not having any engine noise makes all of the other noises a lot more noticeable.
@@splewy ehm dude, i had the model s for a 1000mile road trip and for the price tag of any tesla car, the loudness level is just absolutely unacceptable. I always thought that one of the few benefits of an EV is me being in my little capsule, isolated from the outside world only hearing a bit of wind and tire noise and otherwise enjoy music in a new way in my car. reality is, the car is as "loud" as my old shitbox chevy for 15k and on top of that the speaker system is complete shit. these cars are still beta testers. man was i glad that i didnt own that car haha
@@splewy that's some BS right there
You could always aftermarket those if you care about it so much. You can afford it because it's so much cheaper to add luxury than performance.
Does anyone know how much range you get if you do multiple 0-60 pulls with mixed driving?
I think our drive segment killed 20-30 miles of predictive range.
@@jackholmes8105 Thanks for the reply Jack.
15:10 Looks awfully cold for Mexico
They are somewhere around Woodstock, IL; I don't know the exact road. The slower cars they start the test drive at Fisher Rd just South of 120 in Volo, IL
Oh boy, a Tesla review, I sure hope the Tesla fanboys comments section isn't calling the extremely knowledgeable and experienced car reviewer a sham for pointing out commonly known problems with the car!
you are one of the top car review channels, crazy you don't have 1 million subs. However what makes you good is your technical knowledge which might not appeal to the masses. Keep up the good work
Would the battery life decrease with more updates (ehm, ehm, apple)?
The videos are getting better (already good). I always appreciate your candor combined with the perfect amount of specs and nerdery.
Model 3 Ludicrous Highland just got release!😮 All new redesign! Better driving and handling!😊
Lots of great content here, so I’ll just pick one major nit- I’m not sure I agree with the “disposable” part (at least, not any more so than any other modern cars). My model 3 is at 3 years old, and isn’t going anywhere. Ditto for the model s owners I know back to 2013 or so. In particular, I take issue with your implication that 300 miles of range will be pointless/thrown out in a few years when EVs have 600 mile range.
They won’t. Batteries are just too heavy and too expensive. Automakers aren’t even willing to build many ICE cars with that kind of range, and an extra 12 gallons of fuel tank weighs and costs almost nothing.
Yes, due to charge rate, EVs and ICE vehicles may have different optimum range, but the market will choose an ideal range based on charge time, weight, cost, and performance. And it won’t be anywhere near 600mi.
I'm sitting here grooving to the music, and then I read you create it yourself. Keep up the amazing quality man. You deserve to be bigger than any other car youtuber out there.
They designed their own chips, no longer on nvidia going forward
@@fxkraft1037 besides being impressive, he said in the video it was nvidia I figured I should I should point it out
He did address that there weren't tied to any one company, while noting (correctly) that the car he was testing was using an nVidia chipset.
@@markmiller3279 but he failed to mention why he didn’t show/review any actual footage of the Full self driving beta, all he showed was footage of the autopilot that comes with every single Tesla. He was talking specifically about the beta but didn’t actually show any examples of it, and I promise you if you look up any recent videos of the beta it’s waaaay farther along than he makes it out to be in this video...kinda misleading.
Edit- he did end up clarifying why the FSD beta wasn’t fully reviewed in the comments section.
With AI in it...epic
There's a mistake in the video, Model 3/Y and Model S/X for a few years use an Intel Atom soc, the nvidia tegra2 is a thing of the past and was never used on the 3. The old neural network processor was nvidia iirc and that shipped in early FSD model3, but the new one is made by tesla.
hahahah tesla and lexus im torn betwwen
We had older models in last two videos.
I know UA-camrs like the hook viewers with giveaways, but Mr. Geese goes ALL OUT!.. Not some lame ass swag here, they givin away McMansions over here!
I agree with most of what you say. However, the disposable discussion overlooks the fact that this car has and will get continual software updates to keep it feeling new and fresh. No other car has that. It's minimalistic interior also helps this point, as it can't really look dated with how simplistic it is. The UI of the screen is so much the character of the car, that a major UI revision makes it feel almost like a new car.
Regarding handling, I think Tesla did a very good job based on their experience and history. You also have to remember the tires are abnormally skinny to improve range, compared to something like a BMW M3 or Mercedes C63. That being said, I feel it's an excellent handling car for the road, and considering it's weight. I've never experienced a car this heavy that feels so light. Most of it's ICE competition, such as the M3, weigh several hundred pounds less. Something like a Honda Accord 2.0T is near 1000 lbs less. The fact that a car this heavy handles this well on 235mm tires with an open differential is impressive. And track mode really opens up the options.
For those looking for a dedicated track car, this isn't it. But if you want a practical and fun daily driver that is toss-able, capable, and quick, it's very compelling. On the flip side, I completely agree with the quality side of things. While the refreshed 2021 3 has the double pained glass and a few other improvements, interior noise and rattles could be better. Just a bit more attention to detail in this regard would be appreciated. But the interior feels sturdy and pretty durable.
But I think it's a bargain for the money. No other company can currently give you this level of performance, practicality, and range at this price point. This will change, but Tesla still has the advantage of being fast to evolve and adapt compared to the competition. This is likely one of the reasons their Build Quality is worse. I look forward to 5 years from now when the 2026 Model 3 is competing with mid-sized near-luxury EV cars also in the $35-65k range.
Isn't the Bolt an affordable well put together good selling EV?
With a class action forming for catching on fire 😔
@@Hmmmthatsprettyfvckinclose nah it is actually great for the money but they need to get the fire thing figured out. You can get one dirt cheap even new right now
It's not nearly cheap enough for a car with all the charm of an elderly Kia Rio. They are not in the same league at all.
@@Shiftheads they did release a patch but it limits your battery range to 90% because the fires came with batteries being too close to full.
chevy is getting class action-ed over lower battery capacity than promised (someone claims their car only has a 57wh battery when it should be 60, plus the whole reduced range by 10 percent thing).
they did a recall on the cars (which is great that they did, especially considering GM's past with the ignition switch scandal)
i think owners of the model S sued for a similar thing because they also had an update reduce range after that battery fire of that one in the parking garage went viral. i don't think that went anywhere, but class actions usually take a while to resolve
@@markmiller3279 we could say the same about Model 3 with the terrible assembly quality and other issues. I love all the Teslas but definitely have their issues too. The Bolt isn't unattractive it's just not trying to be flashy or garish.
These things are already rusting out here in eastern Canada. Poor lower body design, inconsistent paint thickness and no mud flaps means tons of road grime and rock projection against the rocker panels. There's a huge opening in front of the rear wheel well that accumulates road grime and accelerates rust behind the panels. The rear underbelly aero panel also collects tons of dirt and debris, some garages state they sometimes knock off about 50 pounds worth when they take the panel off. Some guy here in Montreal had a 35 000 km (22 000 miles) model 3 with rusted out rockers. Some people start noticing paint problems within 5000 km (3000 miles). Tesla claims it isn't covered under warranty, they consider driving on roads where rocks and road debris are present negligence. Pretty abysmal for a car that costs 60 000$ in Canada.
There built in a tent. Tesla is a perfect example of outstanding engineering decimated in production.
SG, another great job - really appreciate the production values and the honest review. Between this and the recent LFA content you guys are really hitting it out of the park.....
I suppose there is a difference between self-driving and autonomous driving, right? 23:15
Really happy to hear the shout out to Speed Academy. Their channel is great, and doesn’t get enough love
I have test drive the polestar and the wind noise is even worse, there is not engine noise and that is why !!!
Exellent review, it certainly is early days for Tesla. Apparently the build quality has greatly improved from their purpose built factory in Shanghai and we can probably expect even more of the same in Berlin and Austin. A nice thing about Tesla is they're extremely quick learners and constantly innovating.
@24:50 is that a McRib I see in the outro? I’m dead 😂
Electric cars *could* be built to be upgradable to the extreme. They are already component-based... as batteries improve, software improves, etc. The car itself could last a long time.
Right now being pressured from all directions by one paid project, one hobby project with friends, two university projects and now I can finally relax and procrastinate even more by watching a savagegeese video :D
hahahah tesla and lexus im torn betwwen
Off to Thestraightpipes, only after watching the Goose first...
It accelerates hella fast, but doesn't seem fun to drive. There is no experience. Just quiet fast. 🤷🏽♂️
Exactly.
If this had a gauge cluster it would help the interior a lot
And just a few basic hard controls. They don't even need to put many of them on the dash. A new steering wheel could house some of them.
I'm a truck driver. I drive 544 miles per night from Garland Texas through Austin to Schertz Texas and back. I never see Teslas being driven fast and I never see Chargers being driven slow. 20:01
Really love the final thoughts segment, and the exploration of the concept that this car is a disposable product. To an extent, perhaps all cars are, but this is a tech product first and foremost. There's always going to be the new hotness, and for that, people will always want to ditch their current model for the latest. Perhaps it's more of an American consumerism problem than anything, but that's entirely antithetical to Tesla's "green" image and I wish more people talked about it!
i mean there's also that underground tunnel concept only for teslas that they talked about wanting to make at some point that's literally just a subway train but worse. public transit so people don't have to own a car if they don't particularly want to is a solution for some environment saving but tesla/elon musk isn't really for that (understandable since they build vehicles only for personal use. and i guess those semi truck concepts for business. it'd be cool if they made a bus that was like an electric streetcar but didn't need to use train tracks).
relying on personal consumption of electric cars to solve all environmental troubles isn't a good idea generally. what tesla did do which was cool was make electric cars cool and force others brands to actually try and make good electric cars.
i feel like the environmental stuff is really just a side effect reason to their main mission. their company goal is to make an iphone on wheels, saving the planet is just a side effect which i don't think they really care about much beyond the government green rebates making their cars a better option for consumers.
maybe the cynicism about the environment stuff is just from me seeing people focus more on the tech than anything else.
@@arsenalfanatic09 it's similar to what happened with plastics in the 50s-60s: they considered it an indestructible material (in normal use... far from heat, lol), and they made so many things from it that it became ubiquitous. then we found out how much it contributed to pollution. so, i wonder when the boomerang-effect will happen for EVs, and technology in general.
@@twystedhumour 50-60s: hey let's use this new light and durable material for things that'll last a really long time
now: hey let's use this material that takes millions of years to break down for packaging you use once and crappy cheap stuff that breaks in less than a year
That's fine for someone to want to upgrade to the new model, _if_ I can buy their car and use it for years to come. The company has to provide long-lasting quality and factory support, or they lose any green credentials and justify all the criticisms.
Retreating to your bathroom… Your sarcasm/humor is the best.
Definitely can hear the interior noise!
I agree with what geese said about handling. I have a M3P and the car is heavy and you can feel it when you take corners. Canyon driving you it’s hard to take hard turn with out the front end wanting to wash out or you end up loosing too much speed to get optimum grip.
Need an update test 2023
@6:40 is that wheel on the left bent?
Here I am three years later in my 2019 performance M3 and it’s only gotten better. It’s not disposable as you would think because software updates have allowed it to gain performance and I was able to upgrade the CPU to hardware which lets the car drive itself Effectively. Let me repeat I was able to upgrade the computer in my car for $1000 and give it a whole new level of driving capability. I’ve never in my 40 years of driving Had a car that I could upgrade like this. Every other car did everything it could to make itself obsolete either through styling or features so that I would want the newer car. This is the first car ever where the manufacturer worked so hard to keep my car fresh. The power is still mind blowing and i’ve never loved the car as much as this one.
Refreshing. This video feels like savagegeese 2016. Informative, interesting and relevant the whole way through. Nice job.
Going to be very interesting over the next 5 years to see how fast Elon/Tesla can ramp up and improve. What they've done in a short period of time is amazing, not sure I'd bet against them.
Watching this after the new performance release, I really wonder what the savagegeese going to cook up on this one
Great review as always. I bought my RCF because of you and the next vehicle I purchase, must pass through, The Crucible of the Goose before I do. Cheers!
I have a 3 series convertible with hard top. It’s so damn good! Good choice with rf
You gotta mod the suspension and brakes on these cars and it makes a huge difference.
Your assessment of the fsd is incorrect. That model 3 don't have fsd beta enabled
Which car? He says rented a second car specifically to test those features. It's not the car he shows in most of the video, except briefly at the end. Given he talks about the autonomous lane changes being poor, I strongly suspect the second one he rented did have the FSD Beta running.
You’re right, FSD is a lot farther along than he makes it out to be too.
@@markmiller3279 You have to agree to an NDA in order to be a Beta tester. Only with this latest version can people publicly share the experience. I doubt he rented a car with the actual FSD Beta unless it was a private owner. Even then, savagegeese didn't seem like he experienced it or knew what he was talking about.
@@vandkay5439 FSD is still in beta in consumer production cars.
@@cavramau Yes, I am aware of that. I'm missing your point.
The 15% reduction you mention in cold climates, is that due to simply battery temperature and decreased performance, or the additional loading due to heating the car....or both? Thank you
@Bucky Fiden I'd find that pretty surprising myself. When it's 0F outside, the heater running a significant period of time....I'd be quite surprised if it's only a 15% reduction in total distance. I feel like temperature alone could easily cause that 15% difference.
I wanted to swing by and mention that the UA-cam thumbnail is top notch
@24:50 What is that on the rear bumper? Woopie cushion? Loaf of bread?