I used to buy them for $25 each out of a big barrel of them. Sometimes I would swap parts when the gun store guy wasn't looking. I'm not overly fond of them but I hit what I was shooting at and they do hit hard.
I have a model 38 pre-war production, and it's smooth as silk. The wartime production guns were crap, but they weren't going for perfection, just survival.
@sl0re10 think the reason why he used iron sight instead of scope is that he was compromised once due to the reflection on the scope, same thing that likely killed Joseph Allerberger's (2nd highest kill rank German sniper) partner
The Thompson Submachine Gun isn’t about functionality or effectiveness. It’s about looking cool and saying “nyeh” and “see?” at the end of every sentence.
The Thompson did play a critical role in winning ww2. It laid great close cover fire and quick maneuverable room clearing. That being ssid ya there's a lot of modern weapons that would probably do a better job.
I was right there with you, thinking "mine is crazy accurate!" But then I forgot about the grueling time spend figuring out what ammo it likes and polishing the trigger and bolt groups. That being said, after finding preferred ammo to a gun that wasnt neglected via corrosive steel cartridge ammo, and an hr polishing and working the trigger to1.6lb pull, it's the first gun I grab regardless of what I'm shooting for... currently holds 4.5" 3shot groups at 900yrds.
While I bought one for cheap, I would never defend any criticism of it, or count it as a go to if needed. They were a craze due to the no longer available cheap surplus ammo.
Here... I'll drop a little present for anyone who loves their mosin. I've tried this in multiple mosin nagants across the country, and get the same results with each... some being better than others due to bull barrels and trigger groups... Hand load... .311 dia 174gr Sierra match king hpbt, 43.5 grain varget powder, cci 250 mag primers, chanfer and de-bur the primer pockets and neck, and seat the projectile where its .002 jammed.... biggest group I've seen from this was 1"@100yrds with probably the most abused mosin ever. Its throat and chamber was so worn some of the shelf ammo cases would split on the shoulder.... aside from that one, groups ranged from 3/4" 1/8"....... oh, and this is for barrels that have been cut down to 22"-24" from the throat. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
Garbage Rod is a good & cheap surplus rifle, shit I even own one. Definitely not a fan boy of it however. I prefer my Mauser Kar98k ten times over my Mosin, hands down. Bolts easier to manipulate, easier to quickly reload, and in my opinion; far better ammo type than the Mosins 7.62x54R, and not to mention the Kar98k is ridiculously more accurate.
You'd have a point, Prince Mercy, except he didn't say, or even imply, that "this is not meant to offend anyone". What he actually said was *Warning: this video may cause undue butthurt to people who own one or more of these firearms* . He did said right away that this video is _probably going to cause butthurt_ !
Freedom Isn't Free The Mosin is incredibly reliable, and incredibly easy to take down/clean. I deer hunt with it in rain, snow. Quick clean and she’s good as new. Some bolts work flawlessly, others not so much. Mines a ‘39, never had a single issue.
Friquido A lot of money? You think 150$ is a lot of money lol. I’ve taken 4 deer with mine. Put 1000 plus rounds through mine. So no. Either you’ve never owned a Mosin, or you didn’t check yours before and it turned out to be garbage, which is your fault lol. Take care of it, it’ll be fine.
Friquido Will I send you 150$? Lmfao no. I will spend that money on myself though. You can be naive and suck your “gun nut friends” off lmao. I’m sure they’re all Fudds, or cringy tacticool black synthetic stock rifle fanboys that role play like soldiers lol. You go ahead and tell Simo Hayha, or all the Russian female snipers of WW2 with some of the highest kill counts, that their rifle was garbage. I’ll give you a tip - they’d outshoot you any day of the week with your little modern synthetic rifle, lol. Maybe it’s user error? Maybe you don’t take care of your arms? Either way - me and my “always trash” firearm will be out for deer this season :)
I am a U.S. Navy Vietnam combat vet. in 1971, the year when my missions took place, the Navy still had the M1A1 in issue. Fortunately, due to the nature of my missions, I was able to choose my weapons. Of course, for a sidearm I carried the M1911. I chose the M1A1 Thompson for my long weapon. One of my main reasons was that it used the same 45ACP as my sidearm which made ammo carry more efficient. It didn't disappoint. For combat in the jungle, where you couldn't see an enemy more than 30 yards away at most, it was ideal. You heard them, and bug sprayed the area where the noise came from, heard the scream, saw the movement, and finished with another burst. I saw M16s jam and men die trying to get the damned thing to work. I never had a problem. To this day I won't carry any of the AR type weapons, they evoke too many bad memories. Is the M1A1 a wonder weapon? Hell no. It is what it is, a very effective weapon for short to medium range combat. It got me through my missions and I came back alive. "Nuff said.
I never understood why they called it the chicago typewriter until I had a chance to shoot one myself and it was a magical experience.. Now for a shameless plug when in Vegas head over to Battlefield Vegas and shoot one of these, they also have a B.A.R. which is also amazing. The instructors a Battlefield Vegas are Awesome
@willl 77 Your statement seems born of ignorance. The AR is superior in what way? Accuracy at longer distances? Yes. Reliability these days? Maybe. Ability to use the same ammunition as your side arm? Nope, no way. You obviously have a prejudice for the AR type of gun. Perhaps this is because that is what YOU used in the military. I carried an 03 A3 Springfield in boot camp. I still have a soft spot for that weapon, but in combat I would MUCH prefer the M1A1, as would most WW2 veterans, as is witnessed by the fact that they grabbed them as quickly as they could in the Pacific when the original non-com to whom they were issued fell. For jungle fighting they are an excellent weapon. Each weapon has its own strengths and weaknesses. Grow up and learn that.
+Jeremy lol I see so many comments that got way off topic, from rockets to even the metric system. All the author was trying to do was put some realism in the capabilities of a few firearms with a few tongue in cheek comments.
We shouldn’t forget that the Mosin Nagant and the G43 were mostly made during wartime. So no time for high quality standards and they probably didn’t expect the rifles to be used for so long.
Fun fact: The M3 “Grease Gun” was designed just because of the said weight gripes surrounding the Thompson. It’s a decent enough Submachine-gun, and a competitor well up to the point it needed to be. But, it’s failings prompted it’s designed replacements, along with costs closer to 200 dollars in its initial design. I imagine the M1 variant cut corners considerably to save on money, but I don’t think it can beat 15$ circa 1942. The M3 machine gun of course has its own problems, what with its folding stock being made of wire metal. It also has fixed sights (100 yards) so adjusting for closer or further is a bit of a guessing game. (Although effective range is about that, so not much point in trying to lob .45 acp.) However, it makes up for this fact 8.15 lbs at heaviest when empty, with improvements by its A1 variant making it into the 7.95 lbs range. 2 ish pounds may not mean much to folks, but when you’re hoofing it for a while it adds up. Along with being exceedingly simplistic and easy to replace by their standards. It’s still seeing service today in the middle east. And by western powers as late as Kosovo. So while the Thompson has her place, I’m surprised more people don’t geek out about her successor. I will give the Thompson one thing tho, she has style. I think the Thompson has its place and is fun and fantastic in its own way. But, it has drawbacks and we should be realistic about em. The German rifle: Ho boy, even German infantry bitched about it. Mind you, they had a lot more to bitch about, considering their smoothest to operate rifle that wasn’t cutting edge and reserved for a select few units (Stg-44 cough) being the Kar-98 bolt action and you have good reason to grumble. That gun is NOT superior to the Garand. And I will die on that hill, or not, considering I could hold the mountain with a Garand like my Great Grandad in North Africa and Italy. It may only fire 8 rounds, but it also is easy to operate, care for, and has decent heat treating and parts. The Garand is a mean battle rifle. And while a little heavy, for your average rifleman it had good range and accuracy. It also just feels really good in your hands. So yea the G-43 is quite honestly not all she’s cracked up to be. No issue with the Armalight criticism. And the Soviet gun. I like it for its historical value. That’s it. It’s not a superior weapon, it’s not even all that well made. It shoots, can load, and in a pinch kill Nazis. If you put a scope on it you can maybe improve the accuracy a bit, but there was always a deviation error that most snipers whom modified it had to deal with. For a gun to crap out in mass quantities, however, it fits the bill perfectly. It’s disposable, a stop gap, and easy to make in large quantities. Why else do you think they produced so few of the gun that was SUPPOSED to replace it? The SVT-41 I would argue would have been better if not for its own design flaws and issues with upkeep in wartime conditions. It did well in its role with specialty units, but its difficulty in production made it a liability. Just generally Russian Rifles for those years are less impressive than their Sub-Machinegun counterparts with the PPSH-41 to 43 being excellent weapons by comparison. Although with diminished range, so the Mosin has that going for it; I still find it awkward as a weapons system. Additionally, I’m not sure if I just found a mega small one, or what, but the stock sucks. Of the ones I’ve held, it feels awkward on my shoulder. Would make for part of the Accuracy problem I believe.
They dont call it a garbage rod for nothing. When my dad found out I paid $120 for a "hex bolt" tula built in 1933, he asked me if I got a case of ammo free. He also calls them tomato stakes.
Weird how can mosin be shit when the deadliest single weapon known in history is a slightly modified mosin wielded by white death. Claiming its inaccurate is also a joke considering that guy just used the iron sights to kill 546 soviets.
@@Jebu911 they aren't that bad they were probably pretty good new but some of them are well over 100 years old and have seen a ridiculous number of rounds so most of them are no longer accurate also they used a corrosive ammo so they can be pretty bad at this point
As a Swede, I damn laughed at the thompson weigh in. Well played. Metric system was used in calculations to getting your asses up there though. *slap* Great channel and easy on the ears. I like "to the point" information channels.
The difference is that the SA-80 isn't overrated. Everyone agrees that it's shit. ;) (Well, the L85A1 version anyway. The H&K upgraded A2 & A3 are at least usable.)
@Barracuda340000 people hate it the same reason they hate on the sks now because a few years ago they were both cheap. I saw mosins for 80$ and bought my sks for 120$ now theyre both being sold for around 300$ and as they get more expensive they become worse in comparision to other rifles.
I think it’s a rifle where you get what you pay for. It doesn’t feel good and isn’t extremely accurate, but they aren’t a bad backup gun. They are cheap guns that do there jobs. They don’t to their jobs amazing, but they can get it done.
@@SonataNoKami Ah. I see what you mean. Like the gun, a white tiger can kill you, and like a housecat, an RX7 attracts lonely middle-aged women. That seems awfully harsh to RX7 drivers.
I was a commander of a tank team in the army during my obligatory military service. Besides the side gun (pistol) of each tank crew, each tank was equipped with 2 automatic pistols. There were 2 options; 9mm mp5 or 45. cal Thompson. I preferred the cool Thompson, and since then, there hasn't been a day that I haven't had a backache.
I like the Mosin because it's simple and it shoots a big bullet. I also have a couple bolt 30-06s for that reason. The only reason they're accurate is because 7.62x54 is a pretty decent round for shooting long distance, but so is a .308 and .338 for the same reasons
That’s the shame with the price these days. When they were, it was awesome because you’d get a high-powered rifle and a piece of military history at the same time. Now though, it’s a much tougher and honestly impractical choice.
@@MustardanBiscuits the Aug just has the quick change barrels, which would be good if the AUG rifles civilians could buy had the full auto option. Other than that they are both just bullpup rifles with mushy triggers.
The point he was making was that the Thompson weighs more than an M4, and only fires a pistol cartridge. If I had a choice between a Thompson and an M1 or M2 carbine, I'd take the carbine any day.
@@mc-ps-playa5569Yeah, about 20 years after they should have been. NATO might get their dream of a universal infantry rifle yet if this HK 416 keeps gaining popularity.
Funny thing about the Thompson, my dad did two tours in Korea with the 25th, and he was issued a Thompson, and he was not a fan. Another soldier was drooling over it, and my dad offered to trade arms which the other guy gladly did, so my das became a BAR man throughout his two tours. He loved the BAR even though he said it was pretty tired from already serving in WWII. He said the best way to keep the action moving well in the cold winters was to squirt lighter fluid and set it on fire. That warmed everything up and it fired fine. He even got recommended for a medal because the CO said he was firing so much it caught on fire. Still- I think Thompson's are gorgeous.
My dad was in the 25th in Korea he said he carried an M1 and was the ammo man for the BAR. He said it was a 2 man team one carried the BAR and the other carried the ammo
@@chrisfritsch7934 the only thing he ever ready said about the war was the Chinese ran them back south and his group got split he went with his old sergeant and the other half went with I think a 2nd Lieutenant and the other half didn’t make it. He wasn’t one to talk about it much
@@thekaiseroftheeast3895 Is it just me, or is the Desert Eagle one of the silliest handguns ever made? It’s like the gun equivalent of a racing team going “Fuck it. Let’s just drop the biggest engine we have in it and see what happens.”
Those two first guns are my favorite ww2 rifles I own a mosin and I completely agree with you. When I bought mine it was exactly how you said. I have gotten 3 people to look at the action to make it move quicker and with more ease it’s gotten better but still not much better, in the end I just got the mosin because of its historical significance. I just think the G43 looks good.
There's an anecdote M16 - harder in production than some airplanes AK47 - used by countries who can't afford airplanes Mosin Rifle - known for shooting down airplanes
@@patrioticamerican6414 For romantic's sake yes. But some american soldiers in WW2 often reported that they didn't like it, because it was too heavy and clunky.
You're pretty spot on with the mosin. I do love mine but I get it. One thing though....try the stripper clip again but make sure to run them home to full depth then swipe right with your thumb. The spring will lift the rounds up to the correct height, launching the clip out before you can even get to the bolt handle
@@17MrLeon 45-70 is the same price as .308, but the 45-70 bullet is over twice the size (145 grain vs 405 grain average), twice the amount of powder, twice the brass, twice the energy foot pounds (3900 vs 2000 average), and the range of 7.62x51 NATO (.308) isnt much different, if you want to talk powerful bang for buck. Some 45-70 ammo is loaded as hot as .458 win mag for 1/5 of the price. .308 is a yuppi round, there's a reason asians at Starbucks that have never fired a gun in their lives know what it is
The "garbage rod" was an 1890-91 design. It literally was there when everybody was trying to figure out what a bolt action infantry rifle was supposed to be. It's almost a prototype that saw 70 years of military service. It is what it is. When fed decent commercial or handloaded ammo through a decent specimen it's a lot better than 5 inches for 5 shots at 100 yards
Mosin is the shit for what it is. Sharp enough for most shooters, cheap, simple, indestructible. I love mine for the fact that its a test driver - its not too scary to get into it and try things to see how they effect the weapon. and in the words of Boris 'the Blade' - 'Heavy is good, heavy is reliable, and if it doesnt work, you can hit him over the head with it'
I don't think when you have to talk about guns, religions should come first in your speech. It's all about the gun's performances. Yes, I understand why you are a little offended, but we are in 2018. Everybody know what happened to the jews. I don't say it must be totally forgotten but when guns is involved, this shouldn't be a priority.
People who like the Mosin Nagant: > hickok45 > DemolitionRanch > Iraqveteran8888 > Miculek > sootch00 People who don't like the Mosin Nagant > TFB TV > James Yeager
My father carried a Thompson during WW2. He preferred it over the M3 grease gun which was lighter but as he put it more delicate He also said the weight was reassuring and useful when it needed to be used to push back civilians or control prisoners. In close combat such as clearing buildings accuracy wasn't important but easy maneuvering and stopping power were. For suppression fire it was more than accurate enough and accurate fire could be supplied by the M1 Garands. In fact he was a great proponent of sending large volumes of lead down range. As for the 45cal round it had good stopping power out to 150yrds and most combat was at less than 100yrds and could punch through thick underbrush. Both his side arm and main weapon used the same round. He personally preferred it to the M1 carbine because it had a higher rate of fire and bigger mag and as noted his ammo was interchangeable. To sum it up by your standards it wasn't any good too heavy didn't have a nice site or finish okay. But my father chose to carry that weapon because it was the best gun available that would keep him and his men alive. No insult but I think I'll side with my dad
patriotic halo 13 "Erika" is a marching song used by the German military. The song was composed by Herms Niel in the 1930s, and it soon came into usage by the Wehrmacht, especially the Heer and, to a lesser extent, the Kriegsmarine.
Heres the thing about the mosin, it's a heavy enough rifle that it is made useful in close combat. I have a mosin, and I agree with you that it's not a good long range rifle, and it does have a very cheap and rugged design. I mean, what do you expect from the ussr in 1941. I have noticed, based on personal experience, that it makes a decent close or medium range rifle, especially when you have a bayonet attached. I've killed several coyotes using it, and have missed about a quarter of my shots on average, so there is evidence that it's not too accurate. But when I charge down a coyote, and transfix him with my bayonet, it does the job. And I believe that's what the soviets intended when they reengineered the rifle in 1931. They wanted it to get the job done, not to be better than all other rifles. So, yes, I agree. The Mosin Nagant is an overrated rifle, but shouldn't be spat on either. You said yourself, see it for what it is. (ie.) A really crappy sniper rifle but will do the job at 200 yards or less
Freddie Ellis the Russians could've armed their soldiers with pistols for gods sake all they did was overwhelm the Germans with infantry, with casualties in the millions for the Soviets by the end of the war
+MajorArtillary Because they were fighting the whole world. The Bolsheviks lost close to 5x as many men to the Germans. Their training was inferior and so was their equipment (at least until Churchill and Roosevelt gave Stalin 150 Billion)
SeverdSeouL Even with inferior training and equipment, they still marched down the Germans all the way to Berlin. The Germans had arguably the best defense of any nation at the time, especially with their machine gun and AT gun doctrines. There is no excuse why they lost. No allied tank could bounce the Flak 88 and Pak-40, and the MG42 was devastating to infantry. They lost because the took on an enemy they couldn't beat.
I think it's more accurate to say that the reason Germany lost because of the fact that their commander was Hitler! he had no military command experience, he refused to listen to his generals, refused to allow withdrawal or retreat and spat his dummy out when things didn't go his way.
Best response ever lmao. How does the old saying go? 'There is no such thing as a free lunch.' But hey we shouldn't rag on their country just because their people were fooled into 'free' healthcare, and we shouldn't rag on them for being fooled into supporting people who willingly don't work, in fact we should congratulate and commend them for being great human beings.
+Winstan hey man if you don't mind paying for other people then more power to you. just don't look down on other people who disagree like most people do who subscribe to that opinion.
Well, for the price the Mosin is a damn stellar weapon, especially if you find one the Fins tweaked :) Sure, more modern (and/or more expensive) weapons will of course be better, naturally! ps: I doubt the Russians wanted the clips automatically ejected! They are stingy ass bastards and so the soldier better bring his clips back, to reload them!
“I don’t know why people get butthurt when you don’t like something they like” “...uppity neckbeard fanboys like this pile of garbage for some reason” Mysterious world 🤔
I would point out, the reason so many people talk greatly about the AR-18/180 has to do with the huge number of rifles based on it (Examples include the Daewoo K2, Howa Type 89, H&K G36, Royal Ordinance SA80, HS Produkt VHS/VHS-2, and CZ 805 BREN). People think that "Oh, all these guns are based on it, so it must have been great!" when, in reality, it's more that those rifles took the best elements and dumped a LOT of the AR-18s issues in the process. It had plenty of good elements, but its concept as a cheaper alternative to the AR-15 meant that it could never really be fully realized in the hands of the original designers. Thankfully, everyone else picked it up and went "hey, there's something good in here." A flattered rifle imitated by many but copied by none, and for plenty of good reasons. That being said, the Brownells BR-180 is cool as hell, I just wish the AR-15 style trigger group weren't so prone to getting jammed up by dust. Darned tight tolerances in a part that's supposed to have tight tolerances 😅
CrusaderBricks lol! It's a cool vintage gun with a lot of history that makes it a fun collector's item, but I pity the guys who had nothing better issued for actual combat duty as it's fucking heavier than my issued H&K G3-based militia battle rifle! X/
A S C E N D E D you and everyone else that complains about a heavy gun all need to grow a pair of fucking balls and go to the gym because if you didn’t have the muscle mass of a middle school girl you wouldn’t have to complain
@@mbr5742 nope, just iron sights, and right out of the factory, he used it to kill about 300 germans in WW2, so i guess it comes down to how you use a weapon, regardless of how shitty it is
@@isaiasalonzo2563 Not quite right out of the factory. The man took that rifle home and used and maintained it himself. I think I even recall him turning down a 'right out of the factory' weapon since he was so comfortable with his known weapon.
The Finnish Mosin's were not Russian or Soviet built and or made. The Finn's rifles were made by Sako, Tikka or Valmet. Higher quality metal used in the receiver, trigger internals and heavy barrel. The Finn's had superior weapons.
The Thompson was a WW1 design still in use in WWII. They cost about $200 back then or adjusted for inflation $3,751 each. This was a lot of money to equip a foot soldier and by later in the war they cost $50 each or $892 adjusted for inflation. This reduction was obtained by both volume of production and design changes for less expense. The late war Thompsons were of less finish quality than earlier yet functioned just as well. The advantage of the Thompson was it's 45ACP cartridge which was powerful and already in production and military stockpiles. The Thompson was replaced by the lighter M3 'grease gun' also chambered in .45ACP not to reduce weight but to cost less. Development and production delays prevented the complete replacement of the Thompson and there were three Thompsons for every one M3 in service. The Thompson was a weapon of it's time and functioned well and served it's role well. You could carry a lighter Sten gun, which the M3 was inspired by, with it's lighter 9mm cartridge. Both the Sten and Thompson were close range volume of fire weapons the major difference was the hammer like blow from the .45ACP round. If I were in close range of an enemy I would want the .45ACP round. Better to carry some weight and be alive than less tired and dead.
@@looinrims that investment deprecates in a couple decades when the meme dies and no one wants the pile of disintergrating Soviet relics as its unlikely you're going to maintain and repair a bunch of "investment" guns you don't shoot personally on a regular basis. The furniture will dry, split and rot over the many seasons, the metal will degrade and failiure points will mutltiply. Leave the antique firearms to the museums who can blow the money on maintaining a rapidly failing platform.
The G43 just screams: [Late war German war production] Endless quality issues and a design that probably was released into the wild 3 versions before it was ready
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I may be from Britain, But u can see the 98k is probably the best of the ww2 bolt guns. The clips for the Enfield aren't spring loaded, and the rims of the rounds need to overlap. I'd say that the rifles are comparable in accuracy, and the Germans didn't make use of their rifles as much
The Thompson was a status symbol during WW2. They were crazy expensive for the government to buy, so not a lot were issued to troops. Most soldiers went into combat with bolt-action or semi-automatic rifles. Machine pistols came later (i.e. the M3 Grease Gun), making the Thompson the "best" gun for firing a lot of lead at the enemy while still being mobile. The alternative was lugging around a machine gun or a BAR, which was more like a LMG and much bigger and heavier than any rifle, which were also quite big and heavy. So if you had a Thompson as an American soldier during WW2, you weren't going to part with it readily. Some were literally handed down in the unit when the owner was killed or taken out of action. And in the often close confines of the battlefields of the Pacific 1941-1945, being able to hose down entire bunkers filled with Japanese soldiers was something every Marine and GI wanted.
The Desert Eagle maybe ? It's heavy, expensive, it has poor penetration and a bad recoil.... Edit : "meh penetration is good" No, stop using games as references, the gun can't even go through a basic bullet proof vest.
Alex EatDonut because they’re so fun. I’ve shot a couple some time ago in the us (I’m British, no handguns here) and shot my first de .50 in Vegas when I was 15, aswell as a .500 magnum. Honestly not bad. The desert eagle was easily controllable but the 500 was like a cannon, but controllable still.
It's a kinda stupid weapon, not really meant for militarily use, its just kind of a gimmick, i don't think anyone designing it expected it to be anything other than a fun gun, they shoot rlly fun the recoil is not that bad, yeah they're expensive, but you should be happy that it's heavy otherwise it'd hurt while shooting. I think the desert eagle was just made as a gimmick and it sold well. I don't think anyone that bought it wanted to use it realistically for self defense or something. Its just fun to shoot, it kinda falls in the same category as the double barreled 1911s. Useless but fun
@@sovietry4944 exactly. But there's no point putting it on the overrated list as even though it was made for fun it's actually a really well made gun that is very reliable and innovative eg gas system
ikr. People get so fucking excited over the Mosin Nagant, even though most of the time it's kinda a junky bolt action rifle compared to all the other major country's primary infantry rifles (Primarily due to mass manufacturing demands). Even when it WAS manufactured with quality (such as many of the American made Mosins) they still weren't exactly great, especially compared to other rifles
There were tens of millions of Mosins produced. Many to most are absolute phenomenal shooters that are quite accurate and extremely reliable, however many are also bad shooters that as you said, are worth $85
I own a sniper mosin from 1943 with matching numbers. The wood is full of dents but the bolt is a real bitch. I think it has more historic value than gun value.
Charles XII of Sweden Ive never had a problem with one, It has flaws compared to other firearms but its mainly based on what you prefer style wise, Weight wise and such.
Buddar you were wrong, This is how to clean mosin: 1 Put Mosin on ground 2 Grab bottle of Vodka 3 Poor Vodka on mosin “How do you dry it though?” You might be asking yourself well you get a Husky to cuddle with the mosin
I feel like this guy is just being really petty tbh. From what I've heard at least with the Tavor 7 in 308, it has an adjustable gas block. No clue how you'd manage to "accidentally" knock the mag out when your hand will be tightly gripped onto the grip, with your arm moving on the side of the gun, but okay. He said it's too heavy in the back; don't have the gun yet so I can't confirm or deny, but it's much better to be in the back than the front. Idk why he said it's not ergonomic, when it's literally ambidextrous. Mushy trigger, yet its better than most bullpups and theres also trigger upgrades for the gun.. As you said though, the X95 is def a big upgrade from the Tavor 7, also giving more rail space. I really hope there'll be a conversion to chamber it in 308.
7.5 thousand dislikes. "Wow, gee, I wonder what guns he posted to get people mad. I mean, they can't be that famo-" "So first up is the Mosin Nagant." "Oh..."
He is comparing to other rifles and he didn’t say it was a bad rifle how ever it is overrated I used to swale by it how ever it does have draw backs especially when compared to say a British enfield how ever it is still a joy to shoot and is a cheep rifle
I have both a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and an M1 Garand. I purchased the 91/30 and inherited the M1. Both have their uses. You have to take into account that not everyone has the cash for a $1000 bolt gun. Some of us don't have the cash for a $500 bolt gun. That taken into consideration, a $110 Mosin Nagant (mo-SEEN nah-GAHN) _is_ an -excellent- decent rifle in some respects, definitely not in others: FOR THE PRICE: 1. is it fun to shoot? Yep, but it kicks harder than a .30-06 bolt gun. I have a bolt-action 12ga shotgun that has less 'felt recoil'. The steel buttplate does it no favors. The short length of pull will put some people off. 2. is it cheap to shoot? It _can_ be if you're shooting corrosive milsurp ammo. If you're shooting quality ammo the price goes up. And quality ammo can be hard to find locally. 3. is it accurate? Not really, but _acceptable_ accuracy truly depends on what you need the gun to do: Are you punching holes in paper at 100 yards on the cheap? This is the _perfect_ rifle. If your goal is to piss off everyone around you with muzzle blast, get the carbine. Are trying to put lead on a gong at 1000 yards? This is the wrong gun. You'll spend more on ammo trying to accomplish this than you would on a much better rifle. Are you looking for a cheap deer rifle? At the price it was when I bought mine, $119 it definitely fit the bill. You can definitely make a kill-zone shot out to a few hundred yards if you have practiced with the rifle (like you should with _any_ hunting firearm). But at today's $325? Umm... No. For another hundred hundred bucks you can get an inexpensive used near-MOA bolt gun. Oh no - don't tell me you won't get one if you can't get it new. If you're willing to pony up for a 91/30 you're already willing to buy a used gun. 4. But really, is it _accurate?_ OK, you keep pressing this. By 1890's standards and manufacture, the were _impressively_ accurate. Even by WWII they were acceptable, especially for the piss-poor production standards that prevalent from mid-war onward. Even today you can find a (very) few that are probably under 2.5 MOA given high-end ammo or the painstaking task of tuning a hand load, but good luck getting the stores to let you paw through their stock of 91/30s to find that gun. There is at least one video out there of people demonstrating the difference in accuracy of a 'garbage rod' shooting eastern bloc mil-surp ammo and genuine 7N1 ammo. With the 7N1 (IIRC) the guy hit a target at 730 or so yards on the third shot. Bear in mind that AFAIK 7N1 is no longer available. That said, a great many are so shot out that you'd have a better chance of hitting your target _if you threw the rifle at it._ This is the norm, not the exception. But given the choice between which gun to take hunting, the Mosin or the Garand, I usually take the Mosin. The M1 is in excellent condition and shoots about 2 MOA. I don't like to risk damaging it, and M1 specific hunting loads aren't common. Just grabbing any old .30-06 hunting ammo off the shelf runs the very real risk of bending or breaking the op-rod with too hot of a powder. Similarly, the M1 chamber is designed for a spitzer-style bullet, specifically in the 147-155 grain size (depending on construction, though I've heard that 170 is the upper limit as well). Firing round-nose ammo isn't good for the gun - my understanding is that the bullet is jammed into the throat and runs the risk of chamber overpressure. I could be completely wrong about why it's bad, but it's bad nonetheless. The last thing I have to say about the Mosin is this: Even though they have a poor reputation, I've never heard anyone badmouth it on anything _other than_ accuracy, trigger feel, or bolt feel. Yes. that covers a _lot_ of the gun, but I've never heard: "It's not safe to shoot that, even with original loads" (I'm looking at you 1916 Spanish Mauser chambered in 7.62 NATO, marked .308 Win) "You shouldn't shoot it - some weren't heat treated properly" (early Mausers, a few 1903's, some modern firearms) "be careful, it's not a stronger three-lug action" (many rifles this old, including Mausers up to 1898) "It's just not durable" (said no one ever of the MN 91/30)
@@ChineseChicken1 what? How the fact that Nasa used and uses the metric system makes someone a commie? America's measurement units are not intuitive, not easy to learn and completly unnecessary
As the owner of a Mosin-Nagant, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. It goes BANG every time the trigger is pulled but that's about it's only positive attribute.
Georg Eidemiller as much dislikes Americans Russia can only achievement in history was being communist and just about beating America into space fist but you still couldn’t land on moon first such disappointment soo…
"the sights aren't adjustable"
Who aims with a Thompson? You should only fire from the hip while wearing a fedora
doesn't even have the right one, the one with the vertical grip and drum mag
probably why it's common in normal production
And a tux
Also killing vamp-
Too many mafia movies, what's next? M249 neither needs sights because you just do a Rambo?
I have a mosin and I know it’s garbage. But it’s my garbage :)
how's the accuracy on that gun? The German sniper with the 2nd highest kills during WWII used it for a year until he gave his gun to a younger sniper
I used to buy them for $25 each out of a big barrel of them. Sometimes I would swap parts when the gun store guy wasn't looking. I'm not overly fond of them but I hit what I was shooting at and they do hit hard.
My parents talking about me lol
I have a model 38 pre-war production, and it's smooth as silk. The wartime production guns were crap, but they weren't going for perfection, just survival.
@sl0re10 think the reason why he used iron sight instead of scope is that he was compromised once due to the reflection on the scope, same thing that likely killed Joseph Allerberger's (2nd highest kill rank German sniper) partner
The Thompson Submachine Gun isn’t about functionality or effectiveness. It’s about looking cool and saying “nyeh” and “see?” at the end of every sentence.
"Eat lead, coppers!"
“I’m shootin’ ‘ere!”
The Thompson did play a critical role in winning ww2. It laid great close cover fire and quick maneuverable room clearing. That being ssid ya there's a lot of modern weapons that would probably do a better job.
@@squirlnutsbigsack4864 grease gun was used more according to price although thompsons was used.
They will bury you in a lunchbox!
Me: *Gasp! 'How dare he disrespect my beloved Mosin?!'
Also me after he makes his points: 'Yeah alright, fair enough.'
same lol i love my mosin. but it would be the last gun in my safe i would grab for practical or impractical use lmao
I was right there with you, thinking "mine is crazy accurate!" But then I forgot about the grueling time spend figuring out what ammo it likes and polishing the trigger and bolt groups. That being said, after finding preferred ammo to a gun that wasnt neglected via corrosive steel cartridge ammo, and an hr polishing and working the trigger to1.6lb pull, it's the first gun I grab regardless of what I'm shooting for... currently holds 4.5" 3shot groups at 900yrds.
While I bought one for cheap, I would never defend any criticism of it, or count it as a go to if needed. They were a craze due to the no longer available cheap surplus ammo.
Here... I'll drop a little present for anyone who loves their mosin. I've tried this in multiple mosin nagants across the country, and get the same results with each... some being better than others due to bull barrels and trigger groups...
Hand load... .311 dia 174gr Sierra match king hpbt, 43.5 grain varget powder, cci 250 mag primers, chanfer and de-bur the primer pockets and neck, and seat the projectile where its .002 jammed.... biggest group I've seen from this was 1"@100yrds with probably the most abused mosin ever. Its throat and chamber was so worn some of the shelf ammo cases would split on the shoulder.... aside from that one, groups ranged from 3/4" 1/8"....... oh, and this is for barrels that have been cut down to 22"-24" from the throat.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
Yeah . But I still want one just for the history and collection
I always saw the Thompson weight optimistically. When you're out of ammo, you can easily use it as a hefty club ;)
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1st minute of video "this is not meant to offend anyone" 30 seconds later "this is the garbage rod Its trash and so are its fanboys"
Garbage rod fanboys aren't people
Garbage rod fanboy lives matter
Garbage Rod is a good & cheap surplus rifle, shit I even own one. Definitely not a fan boy of it however. I prefer my Mauser Kar98k ten times over my Mosin, hands down. Bolts easier to manipulate, easier to quickly reload, and in my opinion; far better ammo type than the Mosins 7.62x54R, and not to mention the Kar98k is ridiculously more accurate.
You'd have a point, Prince Mercy, except he didn't say, or even imply, that "this is not meant to offend anyone". What he actually said was *Warning: this video may cause undue butthurt to people who own one or more of these firearms* . He did said right away that this video is _probably going to cause butthurt_ !
E guy sorry I'm not reading your whole name you can't take a joke can you sheesh
This didn't age well on the Mosin, fucking $500-600 now.
I bought my M44 early 90s for $74
@@belmarustheelder5503 hell, I got my 91/30 in 2007 for $89. Guy at the shop tried to sell me a crate for $400, cause he had twenty in the back.
@@jacobisraelforever well, its 130 old rifle, and i dont know what people expect
Saw a mosin nagant go for $800.
*cries*
@@very7962 Jesus christ
The unironic use of the troll face merely five years ago still kills me
Yeahhh, some guntubers are kinda out of touch when it comes to memes. Except Brandon Herrera.
Life tip:guns made in war by a struggling country are usually not very reliable
I feel the mosin is reliable just dont expect to hit a dime
Freedom Isn't Free The Mosin is incredibly reliable, and incredibly easy to take down/clean.
I deer hunt with it in rain, snow. Quick clean and she’s good as new.
Some bolts work flawlessly, others not so much. Mines a ‘39, never had a single issue.
u mean except the russians?
Friquido A lot of money? You think 150$ is a lot of money lol.
I’ve taken 4 deer with mine. Put 1000 plus rounds through mine. So no.
Either you’ve never owned a Mosin, or you didn’t check yours before and it turned out to be garbage, which is your fault lol. Take care of it, it’ll be fine.
Friquido Will I send you 150$? Lmfao no. I will spend that money on myself though.
You can be naive and suck your “gun nut friends” off lmao. I’m sure they’re all Fudds, or cringy tacticool black synthetic stock rifle fanboys that role play like soldiers lol.
You go ahead and tell Simo Hayha, or all the Russian female snipers of WW2 with some of the highest kill counts, that their rifle was garbage. I’ll give you a tip - they’d outshoot you any day of the week with your little modern synthetic rifle, lol.
Maybe it’s user error? Maybe you don’t take care of your arms? Either way - me and my “always trash” firearm will be out for deer this season :)
TFB: Tar 21 is terrible
L85A1: Hold my beer
But the A2 is better though :c
At least virtually everyone agrees the L85 was shit so its definitely not overrated.
Ye have you heard of the A2
iT wAs ThE bEsT GUn iN rAiNBow sIx sEIge. Honestly i main this gun virtually, but it bad irl. Ak gang ak gang
Zip 22: am I a joke to you
The reason why the mosin was not accurate for anybody else was because that person wasn’t drinking enough vodka.
You see Vladimir, when you load up on vodka, your wobbling cancels out the recoil!
VADIUM BLYAT!! WHY ARE YOU SOBER?!?!?
Its just cheap communist garbage made with forced labor in a communist dictatorship
@@nativeamerican7424 If you look at a list with snipers with the most confirmed kills, 8 of the top 10 used Mosin Nagants.
@@thekaiseroftheeast3895 yeah idk about that cheap Russian gun probably made by forced labor just communist propaganda trying subvert people
I am a U.S. Navy Vietnam combat vet. in 1971, the year when my missions took place, the Navy still had the M1A1 in issue. Fortunately, due to the nature of my missions, I was able to choose my weapons. Of course, for a sidearm I carried the M1911. I chose the M1A1 Thompson for my long weapon. One of my main reasons was that it used the same 45ACP as my sidearm which made ammo carry more efficient. It didn't disappoint. For combat in the jungle, where you couldn't see an enemy more than 30 yards away at most, it was ideal. You heard them, and bug sprayed the area where the noise came from, heard the scream, saw the movement, and finished with another burst. I saw M16s jam and men die trying to get the damned thing to work. I never had a problem. To this day I won't carry any of the AR type weapons, they evoke too many bad memories. Is the M1A1 a wonder weapon? Hell no. It is what it is, a very effective weapon for short to medium range combat. It got me through my missions and I came back alive. "Nuff said.
I never understood why they called it the chicago typewriter until I had a chance to shoot one myself and it was a magical experience.. Now for a shameless plug when in Vegas head over to Battlefield Vegas and shoot one of these, they also have a B.A.R. which is also amazing. The instructors a Battlefield Vegas are Awesome
Respect.
Also used the weapon….you only had to hit some once…they went down and stayed down….same with my 1911
@willl 77 Your statement seems born of ignorance. The AR is superior in what way? Accuracy at longer distances? Yes. Reliability these days? Maybe. Ability to use the same ammunition as your side arm? Nope, no way. You obviously have a prejudice for the AR type of gun. Perhaps this is because that is what YOU used in the military. I carried an 03 A3 Springfield in boot camp. I still have a soft spot for that weapon, but in combat I would MUCH prefer the M1A1, as would most WW2 veterans, as is witnessed by the fact that they grabbed them as quickly as they could in the Pacific when the original non-com to whom they were issued fell. For jungle fighting they are an excellent weapon. Each weapon has its own strengths and weaknesses. Grow up and learn that.
Fck yes! Sir thank you. What you shared here today is true wisdom and experience.
Thompson may be overrated but its a fucking maffia gun
It is pretty fucking classic
Pepe The Donkey thats why its loved
al capone
But as a military weapon it was kind of a financial travesty. For the mafia it served it's purpose well I suppose.
Roland Deschain yeah but im just talking about its use in the maffia
Jesus, you tried to piss off as many people as possible as hard as possible. I love it, please roast more overrated guns!
Scarlett Johnston Undo the calamities that are your mammaries.
My tits are just fine, thank you ^-^ Also, unfortunately I've heard that one before. X)
Scarlett Johnston tinky winky would be scared if a video of you appeared on his tv belly
+Jeremy lol I see so many comments that got way off topic, from rockets to even the metric system. All the author was trying to do was put some realism in the capabilities of a few firearms with a few tongue in cheek comments.
Ret Old Nice memes.
"Countries who have not put a flag on the moon"
German rocket scientists working on the Saturn-V using metric: ...
Apollo Guidance Computer was actually programed in metric units, so every mention of moon landing in support of imperial units make me chuckle.
@@rimanLip was looking for this comment xD
@@rimanLip Imperial units are unusable for serious science.
Was it "The Right Stuff"; 'Our Nazis are better than their Nazis'? Jeff Goldbloom...
Not German rocket scientist's Naturalized U.S. Citizen rocket scientist get your facts straight
"The bolt cycles like dragging a grand piano across a gravel beach" 😂😂😂 the truth
Just so people know, overrated doesn't always mean it's bad it just means gets more credit than its deserves.
Thank you
The dude is undirectly telling you its bad with his jokes
@@Alexesssp no
@@ajaxmaxbitch yes
@@Alexesssp no
The Thompson weighs more than my damn cat
Makes sense.
I had a cat that was in the same weight class. 14lbs of solid muscle. that'd be Buster.
Not my cat
You, guys, haven't compared the Thompson with Finns ' Suomy SMG...
Brady22 big boi
We shouldn’t forget that the Mosin Nagant and the G43 were mostly made during wartime. So no time for high quality standards and they probably didn’t expect the rifles to be used for so long.
Fun fact: The M3 “Grease Gun” was designed just because of the said weight gripes surrounding the Thompson. It’s a decent enough Submachine-gun, and a competitor well up to the point it needed to be. But, it’s failings prompted it’s designed replacements, along with costs closer to 200 dollars in its initial design. I imagine the M1 variant cut corners considerably to save on money, but I don’t think it can beat 15$ circa 1942.
The M3 machine gun of course has its own problems, what with its folding stock being made of wire metal. It also has fixed sights (100 yards) so adjusting for closer or further is a bit of a guessing game. (Although effective range is about that, so not much point in trying to lob .45 acp.) However, it makes up for this fact 8.15 lbs at heaviest when empty, with improvements by its A1 variant making it into the 7.95 lbs range. 2 ish pounds may not mean much to folks, but when you’re hoofing it for a while it adds up. Along with being exceedingly simplistic and easy to replace by their standards.
It’s still seeing service today in the middle east. And by western powers as late as Kosovo.
So while the Thompson has her place, I’m surprised more people don’t geek out about her successor. I will give the Thompson one thing tho, she has style.
I think the Thompson has its place and is fun and fantastic in its own way. But, it has drawbacks and we should be realistic about em.
The German rifle: Ho boy, even German infantry bitched about it. Mind you, they had a lot more to bitch about, considering their smoothest to operate rifle that wasn’t cutting edge and reserved for a select few units (Stg-44 cough) being the Kar-98 bolt action and you have good reason to grumble. That gun is NOT superior to the Garand. And I will die on that hill, or not, considering I could hold the mountain with a Garand like my Great Grandad in North Africa and Italy. It may only fire 8 rounds, but it also is easy to operate, care for, and has decent heat treating and parts. The Garand is a mean battle rifle. And while a little heavy, for your average rifleman it had good range and accuracy. It also just feels really good in your hands.
So yea the G-43 is quite honestly not all she’s cracked up to be.
No issue with the Armalight criticism.
And the Soviet gun. I like it for its historical value.
That’s it.
It’s not a superior weapon, it’s not even all that well made. It shoots, can load, and in a pinch kill Nazis. If you put a scope on it you can maybe improve the accuracy a bit, but there was always a deviation error that most snipers whom modified it had to deal with. For a gun to crap out in mass quantities, however, it fits the bill perfectly. It’s disposable, a stop gap, and easy to make in large quantities. Why else do you think they produced so few of the gun that was SUPPOSED to replace it?
The SVT-41 I would argue would have been better if not for its own design flaws and issues with upkeep in wartime conditions. It did well in its role with specialty units, but its difficulty in production made it a liability. Just generally Russian Rifles for those years are less impressive than their Sub-Machinegun counterparts with the PPSH-41 to 43 being excellent weapons by comparison. Although with diminished range, so the Mosin has that going for it; I still find it awkward as a weapons system. Additionally, I’m not sure if I just found a mega small one, or what, but the stock sucks. Of the ones I’ve held, it feels awkward on my shoulder. Would make for part of the Accuracy problem I believe.
"the mosin is trash"
"we know"
Not all of them, i have Mosin Nqgat M44
Pretty good riflie
And still love it! It's like riding a scooter. Shity, but FUN!
"we"
"know"
They dont call it a garbage rod for nothing. When my dad found out I paid $120 for a "hex bolt" tula built in 1933, he asked me if I got a case of ammo free. He also calls them tomato stakes.
*Makes fun of mosin*: "you've incited a gang war"
No, that's the Thompson.
Good thing he left Hi Point firearms out of this....course even us who like them won't say they're "over-rated" in any regard.
"provoked"
Weird how can mosin be shit when the deadliest single weapon known in history is a slightly modified mosin wielded by white death. Claiming its inaccurate is also a joke considering that guy just used the iron sights to kill 546 soviets.
@@Jebu911 they aren't that bad they were probably pretty good new but some of them are well over 100 years old and have seen a ridiculous number of rounds so most of them are no longer accurate also they used a corrosive ammo so they can be pretty bad at this point
As a Swede, I damn laughed at the thompson weigh in. Well played. Metric system was used in calculations to getting your asses up there though. *slap*
Great channel and easy on the ears. I like "to the point" information channels.
NASA didn't use Metric till the 1990s
@@ravenwing199 Minutes before showing calculations they quickly swapped to imperial units
The Enfield SA 80 started sweating when the words “worst bullpup” were spoken😂.
The difference is that the SA-80 isn't overrated. Everyone agrees that it's shit. ;) (Well, the L85A1 version anyway. The H&K upgraded A2 & A3 are at least usable.)
It's basically a bullpup AR18
The mosin is one of my favorite bolt action rifles. It is a cheap "OK" rifle that does its job. And I'm not afraid to drop it off a cliff.
@Barracuda340000 I mean, it is trash. But there's nothing wrong with liking it despite that.
Drop it off a cliff and leave it there...haha. then come back and get it when ya need it.
Nah just leave it there
@Barracuda340000 people hate it the same reason they hate on the sks now because a few years ago they were both cheap. I saw mosins for 80$ and bought my sks for 120$ now theyre both being sold for around 300$ and as they get more expensive they become worse in comparision to other rifles.
I think it’s a rifle where you get what you pay for. It doesn’t feel good and isn’t extremely accurate, but they aren’t a bad backup gun. They are cheap guns that do there jobs. They don’t to their jobs amazing, but they can get it done.
"It's the RX-7 of guns." Shots fired.
Unlike the RX-7, I don't think the G43 can be fixed by shoving a bunch of American parts into it.
Yeah, or not
Yeah but the RX7 is a JDM legend and is very unique like comparing a white tiger to a depressed cat
@@SonataNoKami Ah. I see what you mean. Like the gun, a white tiger can kill you, and like a housecat, an RX7 attracts lonely middle-aged women.
That seems awfully harsh to RX7 drivers.
John Boyd huh? I had no meaning behind that I just like white tigers and I’m an rx7 fanboy but uh thanks for giving a meaning to my comment
I was a commander of a tank team in the army during my obligatory military service. Besides the side gun (pistol) of each tank crew, each tank was equipped with 2 automatic pistols. There were 2 options; 9mm mp5 or 45. cal Thompson. I preferred the cool Thompson, and since then, there hasn't been a day that I haven't had a backache.
Backaches? Well, you were in tanks. Uploading that main gun ammo will do that to your back.
I know what this is you’re trying to make these guns less desirable so you can get them for better prices 🧠🧠🧠
Spoiler alert: it didn't work
I don't own a Thompson.
But I'd like to.
Roger Sheddy I have 2 Thompson’s and I love shooting then with the stick, the Drum is to heavy
Me too, especially since my name is Thompson. Although, I’d like the earlier gangster model.
@@cal-tana2977 lol im jealous
You didn't drink enough vodka before shooting the Mosin, that's your problem comrade.
Ah, yes. You need vodka strength to operate bolt.
He's just a pussy.
Shit dude u right!
Da vodka helps you aim better
@@theinstitute1324 the vodkas there to help you ignore the shitty qualities just like with a butter face!😂😂
I like the Mosin because it's simple and it shoots a big bullet. I also have a couple bolt 30-06s for that reason. The only reason they're accurate is because 7.62x54 is a pretty decent round for shooting long distance, but so is a .308 and .338 for the same reasons
I own a model 1891 7.65 Argentine Mauser that is a very fine rifle.
try the kar98k, really smooth bolt. i agree tho, the mosin is hella simple.
That’s the shame with the price these days. When they were, it was awesome because you’d get a high-powered rifle and a piece of military history at the same time. Now though, it’s a much tougher and honestly impractical choice.
@@stonksfromcs1224 Simple? they're overengineered!. While the Mauser is like AK47 of bolt action.
The IWI Mini Tavor X95 is a huge improvement over the original Tavor! I love my IWI X95!
Me too. Works wonderfully...smooth action.
Not a bad bull pup rifle but not even in the league with the Styer AUG
@@MustardanBiscuits the Aug just has the quick change barrels, which would be good if the AUG rifles civilians could buy had the full auto option. Other than that they are both just bullpup rifles with mushy triggers.
TFB: says Thompson is overrated
Me: Defeatedly puts on fedora
...and closes violin case.
Lol
it's a M1A1 Thompson he uses (thats a WO2 use gun ), not an 1921 or a 21/28 Thompson guns the real "Chicago typewriter" mob guns
*puts on fedora
The point he was making was that the Thompson weighs more than an M4, and only fires a pistol cartridge. If I had a choice between a Thompson and an M1 or M2 carbine, I'd take the carbine any day.
But hell it looks good!
TBF: “Tavor is the worst bull pup in production”
L85: “Am I a joke to you?”
I know right
FAMAS series: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"
@@twotailedavenger At least THOSE are getting replaced
@@mc-ps-playa5569Yeah, about 20 years after they should have been. NATO might get their dream of a universal infantry rifle yet if this HK 416 keeps gaining popularity.
@@twotailedavenger Deutschland prove's they have superior weapons once again.
Funny thing about the Thompson, my dad did two tours in Korea with the 25th, and he was issued a Thompson, and he was not a fan. Another soldier was drooling over it, and my dad offered to trade arms which the other guy gladly did, so my das became a BAR man throughout his two tours. He loved the BAR even though he said it was pretty tired from already serving in WWII. He said the best way to keep the action moving well in the cold winters was to squirt lighter fluid and set it on fire. That warmed everything up and it fired fine. He even got recommended for a medal because the CO said he was firing so much it caught on fire. Still- I think Thompson's are gorgeous.
My dad was in the 25th in Korea he said he carried an M1 and was the ammo man for the BAR. He said it was a 2 man team one carried the BAR and the other carried the ammo
@@doylesanderson9697 yep! Gee- maybe they knew each other! Was he a "Chowhound"?
@@chrisfritsch7934 the only thing he ever ready said about the war was the Chinese ran them back south and his group got split he went with his old sergeant and the other half went with I think a 2nd Lieutenant and the other half didn’t make it. He wasn’t one to talk about it much
Soldiers can just trade guns like that? Korean war was a while ago but damn, still!
imagining a soldiers rags-to-riches journey trading a grease gun all the way to getting a rocket launcher
“How can you expect a 150 dollar gun to perform like a 1000 dollar gun?”
Proceeds to compare a 150 dollar gun against a near 1000 dollar gun.
My kar was less than both those numbers
@@noblehinen5271 I miss those days
@@lawfulspoon4457 me too
I agree that doesn't even make sense. I'll bet you a $1000 my $70 AK from Afghanistan is gonna wipe the floor with your $1000 Desert Eagle.
@@thekaiseroftheeast3895 Is it just me, or is the Desert Eagle one of the silliest handguns ever made? It’s like the gun equivalent of a racing team going “Fuck it. Let’s just drop the biggest engine we have in it and see what happens.”
"Here it is in american units"
"And here it is for countries that havent put a flag on the moon"
DAMN
that was a bad one XD
@@rookie_Nimble what do u mean, that shit went in hard
that shit was weak af no cap
who gives a fuck about who went to the moon? if it wasnt me walking around up there i dont care
It should have been
"Here it is in American units "
"And here it is in countries that aren't hugely in debt"
"...flimsier than Bill Cosby's morals." That escalated quickly.
felidae9 😂😂
Those two first guns are my favorite ww2 rifles I own a mosin and I completely agree with you. When I bought mine it was exactly how you said. I have gotten 3 people to look at the action to make it move quicker and with more ease it’s gotten better but still not much better, in the end I just got the mosin because of its historical significance. I just think the G43 looks good.
An unfinished concrete floor and too many guns. Looks suspiciously like my house.
What is this "too many guns" you speak of? I have never heard of it.
There's an anecdote
M16 - harder in production than some airplanes
AK47 - used by countries who can't afford airplanes
Mosin Rifle - known for shooting down airplanes
AkezhCorp lmao
Damn that was good xD
airplanes made out of paper, you mean
@@coaiemandushman1079 Fabric-covered biplanes and scout planes are still planes!
Here’s another one:
Thompson-expensive to make, fixed sight
Sten-cheap to make, fixed sight
Mosin Nagant-cheap, bolt action, hard bolt cycling, adjustable sights
_Sees Mosin_
Tarkov Players: *angry screaming*
rs2 players will scream even more angrily
Video games are gay.
DayZ players: *REEEEE*
@@sebathadah1559 No, you are.
@@belgianfried No no...
You're supposed to say, "No u."
4:18 dam I felt that one
“Better than a Garand”
*Laughs in American*
1. Mosin Nagant
2. G43
3. AR180
4. IWI Tavor
5. Thompson SMG
Mikael Weiss Thompson’s are great
@@patrioticamerican6414 For romantic's sake yes. But some american soldiers in WW2 often reported that they didn't like it, because it was too heavy and clunky.
Cheers for this
#2 not a single-stack Glock pistol.
It's heavy but you could smash a Germans head in with one
I believe you... BUT MY TOMMY GUN DON'T!!!
I agree. I regret my purchase
Ya filthy animal
Good home alone reference
Lol
leave the money on the door step and get the hell out of here
You're pretty spot on with the mosin. I do love mine but I get it. One thing though....try the stripper clip again but make sure to run them home to full depth then swipe right with your thumb. The spring will lift the rounds up to the correct height, launching the clip out before you can even get to the bolt handle
I think I'll give that a try myself
That was the most passive aggressive warning I've ever heard in my life. Lol
Same
I don’t disagree with anything in this video but to rant on 3 weapons designed over 75 years ago wasn’t something I expected.
Only PRO why you should buy mosin is because its fun chepa shooting. Thats all.
@@17MrLeon $12 for 20 rounds is not cheap. That's what it costs where I'm at. 22 is cheap
yes it is cheap try shooting .308 that costs almost twice as much. show me cheaper 7.62 full rifle carthrige.
@@17MrLeon I don't usually buy 7.62. It just seems expensive to me since I buy 200 rds of 9mm for less than $40.
@@17MrLeon 45-70 is the same price as .308, but the 45-70 bullet is over twice the size (145 grain vs 405 grain average), twice the amount of powder, twice the brass, twice the energy foot pounds (3900 vs 2000 average), and the range of 7.62x51 NATO (.308) isnt much different, if you want to talk powerful bang for buck. Some 45-70 ammo is loaded as hot as .458 win mag for 1/5 of the price. .308 is a yuppi round, there's a reason asians at Starbucks that have never fired a gun in their lives know what it is
I'd love to see the weight of a Tommy gun with a FULLY LOADED DRUM ! No wonder those gangsters just kind of sprayed till they hit something!
I read somewhere 14 pounds with the full round clip.
It equals the weight of a BAR!
@@sharpe227 ITS A MAGAZINE
The gangsters used drums, while the army used sticks, soooooo...
Im just glad i didnt see the m1 grand.
The "garbage rod" was an 1890-91 design. It literally was there when everybody was trying to figure out what a bolt action infantry rifle was supposed to be. It's almost a prototype that saw 70 years of military service. It is what it is. When fed decent commercial or handloaded ammo through a decent specimen it's a lot better than 5 inches for 5 shots at 100 yards
Mosin is the shit for what it is. Sharp enough for most shooters, cheap, simple, indestructible. I love mine for the fact that its a test driver - its not too scary to get into it and try things to see how they effect the weapon. and in the words of Boris 'the Blade' - 'Heavy is good, heavy is reliable, and if it doesnt work, you can hit him over the head with it'
epstein didn't kill himself
I don't think when you have to talk about guns, religions should come first in your speech. It's all about the gun's performances. Yes, I understand why you are a little offended, but we are in 2018. Everybody know what happened to the jews. I don't say it must be totally forgotten but when guns is involved, this shouldn't be a priority.
ArchOnua85 Gameplay[AOG]
It was like a joke, man.
I know its a joke since the beginning. It's not like if I was using caps.
Boy gun people get offended quicker than feminist
LieutenantIrsric I am pretty sure it was 666 million Jews.
People who like the Mosin Nagant:
> hickok45
> DemolitionRanch
> Iraqveteran8888
> Miculek
> sootch00
People who don't like the Mosin Nagant
> TFB TV
> James Yeager
You left out Nutnfancy favoring it to.
OkayNiceOne
OkayNiceOne vv
mongoose2040 Was about to say that. How can you leave out Nutn...
The Mosin wasnt for fighting? it only killed more Nazis than any AR15.
My father carried a Thompson during WW2. He preferred it over the M3 grease gun which was lighter but as he put it more delicate He also said the weight was reassuring and useful when it needed to be used to push back civilians or control prisoners. In close combat such as clearing buildings accuracy wasn't important but easy maneuvering and stopping power were. For suppression fire it was more than accurate enough and accurate fire could be supplied by the M1 Garands. In fact he was a great proponent of sending large volumes of lead down range. As for the 45cal round it had good stopping power out to 150yrds and most combat was at less than 100yrds and could punch through thick underbrush. Both his side arm and main weapon used the same round. He personally preferred it to the M1 carbine because it had a higher rate of fire and bigger mag and as noted his ammo was interchangeable.
To sum it up by your standards it wasn't any good too heavy didn't have a nice site or finish okay. But my father chose to carry that weapon because it was the best gun available that would keep him and his men alive. No insult but I think I'll side with my dad
Nothing wrong with loving your honda civic. But dont pretend its a Mercedes
"If you like beeing gased in the face"
*erika starts playing
I stand corrected
>jewish rifle
>gasses you in the face
Elite Club Projection, as always.
patriotic halo 13 "Erika" is a marching song used by the German military. The song was composed by Herms Niel in the 1930s, and it soon came into usage by the Wehrmacht, especially the Heer and, to a lesser extent, the Kriegsmarine.
*In Einam Polenstadtchen plays in the distance*
9:30
Sorry we also use centimetres instead of cheeseburgers per square insulin shot.
Wait U use centimeter instead of inches/feet
Very ignorant
Ali Sallam centimetre , meter and kilometre is 1000x better than feet and inches
@@5geeseinabucket of course, who said otherwise except this channel
You sound resentful and a lil jealous. How about a cheese burger
@@GuadalupeF.Arredondo I don't think he's jealous I think he just think that is stupid what he said
Heres the thing about the mosin, it's a heavy enough rifle that it is made useful in close combat. I have a mosin, and I agree with you that it's not a good long range rifle, and it does have a very cheap and rugged design. I mean, what do you expect from the ussr in 1941. I have noticed, based on personal experience, that it makes a decent close or medium range rifle, especially when you have a bayonet attached. I've killed several coyotes using it, and have missed about a quarter of my shots on average, so there is evidence that it's not too accurate. But when I charge down a coyote, and transfix him with my bayonet, it does the job. And I believe that's what the soviets intended when they reengineered the rifle in 1931. They wanted it to get the job done, not to be better than all other rifles. So, yes, I agree. The Mosin Nagant is an overrated rifle, but shouldn't be spat on either. You said yourself, see it for what it is. (ie.) A really crappy sniper rifle but will do the job at 200 yards or less
Still, I love the Thompson. It just looks so damn cool!
Was the Nagant a good rifle? No
Was the Nagant good ENOUGH? Yeah.
Freddie Ellis the Russians could've armed their soldiers with pistols for gods sake all they did was overwhelm the Germans with infantry, with casualties in the millions for the Soviets by the end of the war
That would be a good excuse for the Germans, except they also lost with millions of casualties
+MajorArtillary Because they were fighting the whole world. The Bolsheviks lost close to 5x as many men to the Germans. Their training was inferior and so was their equipment (at least until Churchill and Roosevelt gave Stalin 150 Billion)
SeverdSeouL Even with inferior training and equipment, they still marched down the Germans all the way to Berlin. The Germans had arguably the best defense of any nation at the time, especially with their machine gun and AT gun doctrines. There is no excuse why they lost. No allied tank could bounce the Flak 88 and Pak-40, and the MG42 was devastating to infantry. They lost because the took on an enemy they couldn't beat.
I think it's more accurate to say that the reason Germany lost because of the fact that their commander was Hitler! he had no military command experience, he refused to listen to his generals, refused to allow withdrawal or retreat and spat his dummy out when things didn't go his way.
I would take single payer health care over a flag on the moon any day.
Free? Whats your income tax rate.
Best response ever lmao. How does the old saying go? 'There is no such thing as a free lunch.' But hey we shouldn't rag on their country just because their people were fooled into 'free' healthcare, and we shouldn't rag on them for being fooled into supporting people who willingly don't work, in fact we should congratulate and commend them for being great human beings.
Health over income is my opinion.
+Winstan hey man if you don't mind paying for other people then more power to you. just don't look down on other people who disagree like most people do who subscribe to that opinion.
TFB TV Thanks for checking me on that, tax funded free healthcare.
Apart from your great List, you know that NASA uses metric right? 😂😂
Well, for the price the Mosin is a damn stellar weapon, especially if you find one the Fins tweaked :)
Sure, more modern (and/or more expensive) weapons will of course be better, naturally!
ps: I doubt the Russians wanted the clips automatically ejected! They are stingy ass bastards and so the soldier better bring his clips back, to reload them!
I cant believe I hurt the feelings of so many delicate little snowflakes :'-(
dont do it next time if you want peace
dont do it next time if you want peace
don't do it next time if you want peace
don't do it next time if you want peace
+TFB TV how do you not have a 1911 on the list?!
“I don’t know why people get butthurt when you don’t like something they like”
“...uppity neckbeard fanboys like this pile of garbage for some reason”
Mysterious world 🤔
Metaphor as fuck
I’ll bet you have a neck beard and a mosen huh😂
Matzbeatz I don’t have shit because I’m poor
He's a hypocrite
Fanboys aren't people they're sheep
I would point out, the reason so many people talk greatly about the AR-18/180 has to do with the huge number of rifles based on it (Examples include the Daewoo K2, Howa Type 89, H&K G36, Royal Ordinance SA80, HS Produkt VHS/VHS-2, and CZ 805 BREN). People think that "Oh, all these guns are based on it, so it must have been great!" when, in reality, it's more that those rifles took the best elements and dumped a LOT of the AR-18s issues in the process.
It had plenty of good elements, but its concept as a cheaper alternative to the AR-15 meant that it could never really be fully realized in the hands of the original designers. Thankfully, everyone else picked it up and went "hey, there's something good in here."
A flattered rifle imitated by many but copied by none, and for plenty of good reasons.
That being said, the Brownells BR-180 is cool as hell, I just wish the AR-15 style trigger group weren't so prone to getting jammed up by dust. Darned tight tolerances in a part that's supposed to have tight tolerances 😅
I have milled AKs and I was surprised by the Thompson’s weight when I first held one, getting a drum in is a pain with that slot! Haha
You could've called this video "Reality check, the butthurt edition"
Lol!!
+TFB TV my poor mosin :( you hurt its feelings! lol
LMBOOOO
+Xenrip LMFAO
LMFAO
If you don't want your Thompson, let me help you and take it off your hands...
CrusaderBricks lol!
It's a cool vintage gun with a lot of history that makes it a fun collector's item, but I pity the guys who had nothing better issued for actual combat duty as it's fucking heavier than my issued H&K G3-based militia battle rifle! X/
Thompsons are way to heavy. I rather get my hands on a MP40
SonsOfLorgar Of course it’s heavier, you idiot. It’s made of steel and wood, and was designed in 1918.
A S C E N D E D you and everyone else that complains about a heavy gun all need to grow a pair of fucking balls and go to the gym because if you didn’t have the muscle mass of a middle school girl you wouldn’t have to complain
Tell that to all the marines who have to lug around machine guns, guarantee you’d get fucked up
The country that put a flag on the moon did it using the metric system.
The best German autoloading rifle was the FG-42, not the Sturmgewehr
First garbage rod fanboy was Simo Hayhä with his pimped mosin-nagant, at the end the 1930s
My guess is the pimped part involves having a gunsmith going over the weapon, cleaning some rough edges etc. Resulting in a smother running rifle
@@mbr5742 nope, just iron sights, and right out of the factory, he used it to kill about 300 germans in WW2, so i guess it comes down to how you use a weapon, regardless of how shitty it is
@@isaiasalonzo2563 to kill about 300 soviets, not germans ;-)
@@isaiasalonzo2563 Not quite right out of the factory. The man took that rifle home and used and maintained it himself. I think I even recall him turning down a 'right out of the factory' weapon since he was so comfortable with his known weapon.
The Finnish Mosin's were not Russian or Soviet built and or made. The Finn's rifles were made by Sako, Tikka or Valmet. Higher quality metal used in the receiver, trigger internals and heavy barrel. The Finn's had superior weapons.
When 13 year olds act like theyve been to war and have ptsd because they play cod all day and have dorito fingers
justin mccoy hahaha xD
justin mccoy @me
just saw your channel and I would be suprised if you are any older...
Don't forget bf fanboys as well....or any other fps with a bitchy fanbase
justin mccoy Mosin nagant is just OLD, it's from russian empire.
There is a big difference between "firearm enthusiast" and "fanboy"....the latter has fired every gun known to man at the firing range on Saturdays
The Thompson was a WW1 design still in use in WWII. They cost about $200 back then or adjusted for inflation $3,751 each. This was a lot of money to equip a foot soldier and by later in the war they cost $50 each or $892 adjusted for inflation. This reduction was obtained by both volume of production and design changes for less expense. The late war Thompsons were of less finish quality than earlier yet functioned just as well. The advantage of the Thompson was it's 45ACP cartridge which was powerful and already in production and military stockpiles.
The Thompson was replaced by the lighter M3 'grease gun' also chambered in .45ACP not to reduce weight but to cost less. Development and production delays prevented the complete replacement of the Thompson and there were three Thompsons for every one M3 in service.
The Thompson was a weapon of it's time and functioned well and served it's role well. You could carry a lighter Sten gun, which the M3 was inspired by, with it's lighter 9mm cartridge. Both the Sten and Thompson were close range volume of fire weapons the major difference was the hammer like blow from the .45ACP round.
If I were in close range of an enemy I would want the .45ACP round. Better to carry some weight and be alive than less tired and dead.
Current Mosin buyer philosophy: You buy 5, salvage 1 good rifle out of the bunch - it's still a bargain if you can find the ammo.
Cavemale2000 shit I just buy them cheap cuz no matter what that price is going up in the future, it’s an investment in finances not safety, not at all
@@looinrims that was true when they were $100 now they seem over priced.
diyVT eh I’d still buy em up if you find some 300$ examples especially for investment
You could just buy a "refitted" Finnish version..
@@looinrims that investment deprecates in a couple decades when the meme dies and no one wants the pile of disintergrating Soviet relics as its unlikely you're going to maintain and repair a bunch of "investment" guns you don't shoot personally on a regular basis. The furniture will dry, split and rot over the many seasons, the metal will degrade and failiure points will mutltiply. Leave the antique firearms to the museums who can blow the money on maintaining a rapidly failing platform.
You can call the mosin garbage but no one can say its a "bad" gun.
+iansojo117 It's a bad gun lol!
Ryan Ivester :(
No sad face..... It's a plinking gun lol
Hell, you want a bad gun go look at the Remington 710/770, piece of fucking shit
"Garbage" is a harsher word than "bad"
"The Mosin is cheap now."
Well that aged like milk
The G43 just screams:
[Late war German war production]
Endless quality issues and a design that probably was released into the wild 3 versions before it was ready
"Better than a Garand"
Spewed Mt Dew on my phone...
SVT-40 beats Garant easily
iota no...just no... smh
@@Axel-wj4sh lighter weight, detachable magazine, greater reliability and overall better comfort
iota No disrespect but that is one of the most idiotic things I’ve ever heard
@@Axel-wj4sh then prove me wrong
I would take a Kar98k, or a Garand, even an SMLE MkIII instead of a Mosin everyday.
Oh, btw, Steyr AUG > Tavor
ver br comentando sobre rifles sem ao menos conseguir uma espingarda sem burocracia é uma pérola.
alias, acho que vc quis dizer anytime ao invés de everyday
The SMLE is a great rifle
MrChristoffer5700 i know m8
I may be from Britain, But u can see the 98k is probably the best of the ww2 bolt guns. The clips for the Enfield aren't spring loaded, and the rims of the rounds need to overlap. I'd say that the rifles are comparable in accuracy, and the Germans didn't make use of their rifles as much
Didn't piss me off. You presented facts in a fair and informative way and such. Great job!😀
The Thompson was a status symbol during WW2. They were crazy expensive for the government to buy, so not a lot were issued to troops. Most soldiers went into combat with bolt-action or semi-automatic rifles. Machine pistols came later (i.e. the M3 Grease Gun), making the Thompson the "best" gun for firing a lot of lead at the enemy while still being mobile. The alternative was lugging around a machine gun or a BAR, which was more like a LMG and much bigger and heavier than any rifle, which were also quite big and heavy.
So if you had a Thompson as an American soldier during WW2, you weren't going to part with it readily. Some were literally handed down in the unit when the owner was killed or taken out of action. And in the often close confines of the battlefields of the Pacific 1941-1945, being able to hose down entire bunkers filled with Japanese soldiers was something every Marine and GI wanted.
The Desert Eagle maybe ?
It's heavy, expensive, it has poor penetration and a bad recoil....
Edit : "meh penetration is good"
No, stop using games as references, the gun can't even go through a basic bullet proof vest.
It can break your wrist
@@bepisman8948 You ever fired a DE in .50 ae? Recoil isn't that bad at all.
Alex EatDonut because they’re so fun. I’ve shot a couple some time ago in the us (I’m British, no handguns here) and shot my first de .50 in Vegas when I was 15, aswell as a .500 magnum. Honestly not bad. The desert eagle was easily controllable but the 500 was like a cannon, but controllable still.
It's a kinda stupid weapon, not really meant for militarily use, its just kind of a gimmick, i don't think anyone designing it expected it to be anything other than a fun gun, they shoot rlly fun the recoil is not that bad, yeah they're expensive, but you should be happy that it's heavy otherwise it'd hurt while shooting. I think the desert eagle was just made as a gimmick and it sold well. I don't think anyone that bought it wanted to use it realistically for self defense or something. Its just fun to shoot, it kinda falls in the same category as the double barreled 1911s. Useless but fun
@@sovietry4944 exactly. But there's no point putting it on the overrated list as even though it was made for fun it's actually a really well made gun that is very reliable and innovative eg gas system
This guy has a PBS documentary voice.
My grandfather carried a Thompson in WWII, He always spoke well of it. It kept him alive and he returned home.
You forget 1911... - Phuc
Heavy and high recoil. That's all you need to know.
forgot the Glock too
1911 is cool af. but I would rather the more military modern edition. (don't know the name). But I do love the ruger 45.
No!! It's a classic
+Robert Williams I don't know about overrated but its capabilities are definitely exaggerated from time to time
I still have my first $85 Mosin. Because it's worth...85 bucks.
ikr. People get so fucking excited over the Mosin Nagant, even though most of the time it's kinda a junky bolt action rifle compared to all the other major country's primary infantry rifles (Primarily due to mass manufacturing demands). Even when it WAS manufactured with quality (such as many of the American made Mosins) they still weren't exactly great, especially compared to other rifles
Johnathan Bloch the Finns couldn't fix it
There were tens of millions of Mosins produced. Many to most are absolute phenomenal shooters that are quite accurate and extremely reliable, however many are also bad shooters that as you said, are worth $85
I own a sniper mosin from 1943 with matching numbers.
The wood is full of dents but the bolt is a real bitch. I think it has more historic value than gun value.
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The Finnish M39 is pretty good, and ngl I’ve always pronounced it nag-at
list of disagree and agree:
0:23 disagree
2:55 agree
5:08 agree
7:15 agree
8:15 disagree
I thought I'd see here Desert Eagle :D
Any Israeli made gun is rated high because they're actually good.
The Tavor is Israeli, and it is not good.
Charles XII of Sweden Ive never had a problem with one, It has flaws compared to other firearms but its mainly based on what you prefer style wise, Weight wise and such.
I thought I'd see here modern weapons not guns from the second world war designed 70 or 80 years ago lol
Folken Winters I did, mainly because many people put anything from the WW's on a pedestal
Now you can't see why I got these likes.
But ya gotta clean up the yard.
For some reason, I've read this with a russian accent.
Andrew T you’re supposed to
Moisten Nagant
Buddar you were wrong, This is how to clean mosin: 1 Put Mosin on ground
2 Grab bottle of Vodka
3 Poor Vodka on mosin
“How do you dry it though?” You might be asking yourself well you get a Husky to cuddle with the mosin
I can’t imagine killing Nazis with something as heavy as a Thompson. They really were the greatest generation.
The X95 fixed most of the problems that you cited with the original Tavor. I really like mine.
I feel like this guy is just being really petty tbh. From what I've heard at least with the Tavor 7 in 308, it has an adjustable gas block. No clue how you'd manage to "accidentally" knock the mag out when your hand will be tightly gripped onto the grip, with your arm moving on the side of the gun, but okay. He said it's too heavy in the back; don't have the gun yet so I can't confirm or deny, but it's much better to be in the back than the front. Idk why he said it's not ergonomic, when it's literally ambidextrous. Mushy trigger, yet its better than most bullpups and theres also trigger upgrades for the gun.. As you said though, the X95 is def a big upgrade from the Tavor 7, also giving more rail space. I really hope there'll be a conversion to chamber it in 308.
7.5 thousand dislikes.
"Wow, gee, I wonder what guns he posted to get people mad. I mean, they can't be that famo-"
"So first up is the Mosin Nagant."
"Oh..."
yea he pronounced it wrong
He is comparing to other rifles and he didn’t say it was a bad rifle how ever it is overrated I used to swale by it how ever it does have draw backs especially when compared to say a British enfield how ever it is still a joy to shoot and is a cheep rifle
I was wondering the same thing and then as I own two mosins and really enjoy them I immediately felt personally attacked.
I have both a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and an M1 Garand. I purchased the 91/30 and inherited the M1. Both have their uses.
You have to take into account that not everyone has the cash for a $1000 bolt gun. Some of us don't have the cash for a $500 bolt gun.
That taken into consideration, a $110 Mosin Nagant (mo-SEEN nah-GAHN) _is_ an -excellent- decent rifle in some respects, definitely not in others:
FOR THE PRICE:
1. is it fun to shoot?
Yep, but it kicks harder than a .30-06 bolt gun. I have a bolt-action 12ga shotgun that has less 'felt recoil'.
The steel buttplate does it no favors.
The short length of pull will put some people off.
2. is it cheap to shoot?
It _can_ be if you're shooting corrosive milsurp ammo. If you're shooting quality ammo the price goes up. And quality ammo can be hard to find locally.
3. is it accurate?
Not really, but _acceptable_ accuracy truly depends on what you need the gun to do:
Are you punching holes in paper at 100 yards on the cheap? This is the _perfect_ rifle. If your goal is to piss off everyone around you with muzzle blast, get the carbine.
Are trying to put lead on a gong at 1000 yards? This is the wrong gun. You'll spend more on ammo trying to accomplish this than you would on a much better rifle.
Are you looking for a cheap deer rifle? At the price it was when I bought mine, $119 it definitely fit the bill. You can definitely make a kill-zone shot out to a few hundred yards if you have practiced with the rifle (like you should with _any_ hunting firearm).
But at today's $325? Umm... No. For another hundred hundred bucks you can get an inexpensive used near-MOA bolt gun. Oh no - don't tell me you won't get one if you can't get it new. If you're willing to pony up for a 91/30 you're already willing to buy a used gun.
4. But really, is it _accurate?_
OK, you keep pressing this. By 1890's standards and manufacture, the were _impressively_ accurate. Even by WWII they were acceptable, especially for the piss-poor production standards that prevalent from mid-war onward.
Even today you can find a (very) few that are probably under 2.5 MOA given high-end ammo or the painstaking task of tuning a hand load, but good luck getting the stores to let you paw through their stock of 91/30s to find that gun.
There is at least one video out there of people demonstrating the difference in accuracy of a 'garbage rod' shooting eastern bloc mil-surp ammo and genuine 7N1 ammo. With the 7N1 (IIRC) the guy hit a target at 730 or so yards on the third shot. Bear in mind that AFAIK 7N1 is no longer available.
That said, a great many are so shot out that you'd have a better chance of hitting your target _if you threw the rifle at it._ This is the norm, not the exception.
But given the choice between which gun to take hunting, the Mosin or the Garand, I usually take the Mosin. The M1 is in excellent condition and shoots about 2 MOA. I don't like to risk damaging it, and M1 specific hunting loads aren't common. Just grabbing any old .30-06 hunting ammo off the shelf runs the very real risk of bending or breaking the op-rod with too hot of a powder. Similarly, the M1 chamber is designed for a spitzer-style bullet, specifically in the 147-155 grain size (depending on construction, though I've heard that 170 is the upper limit as well). Firing round-nose ammo isn't good for the gun - my understanding is that the bullet is jammed into the throat and runs the risk of chamber overpressure. I could be completely wrong about why it's bad, but it's bad nonetheless.
The last thing I have to say about the Mosin is this:
Even though they have a poor reputation, I've never heard anyone badmouth it on anything _other than_ accuracy, trigger feel, or bolt feel. Yes. that covers a _lot_ of the gun, but I've never heard:
"It's not safe to shoot that, even with original loads" (I'm looking at you 1916 Spanish Mauser chambered in 7.62 NATO, marked .308 Win)
"You shouldn't shoot it - some weren't heat treated properly" (early Mausers, a few 1903's, some modern firearms)
"be careful, it's not a stronger three-lug action" (many rifles this old, including Mausers up to 1898)
"It's just not durable" (said no one ever of the MN 91/30)
9:35 LOL fun fact, astronauts used metrics on the moon
Commie
@@ChineseChicken1 what? How the fact that Nasa used and uses the metric system makes someone a commie? America's measurement units are not intuitive, not easy to learn and completly unnecessary
Gali Wow, someone got triggered. It was just a joke, damn.
@@ChineseChicken1 idiot, you're the commie. My country had colonial ruling. Imperial system is also British.
@@ChineseChicken1 "uhhhh my insults are funny why you no laugh"
As the owner of a Mosin-Nagant, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. It goes BANG every time the trigger is pulled but that's about it's only positive attribute.
Hot tip: NASA uses metric, so the flag on the moon comment is as off as the Mosin Nagant's accuracy
9:33 Jokes on you the murican flag has turned white due to sunlight so now it looks like french went there
Oooh fuck, that is like a layered cake.
@@bleachedmud8723 frances flag from 1812 to 1814 was completely white
@Paddy Hickman hmm ok
Paddy Hickman you probably can’t even do basic algebra
Georg Eidemiller as much dislikes Americans Russia can only achievement in history was being communist and just about beating America into space fist but you still couldn’t land on moon first such disappointment soo…