Challenger MBT: Tracked Fortress
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- In the 1980s, the outdated Chieftain MBT was superseded in the British Army by the more modern Challenger. Despite the fact that the new tank was based on its slower predecessor, they don’t really share a lot of traits. The Challenger was considerably more mobile thanks to its powerful engine and an improved transmission - not to mention that its composite armor arrangement was more suited to the challenges of the modern era. The new MBT became the main tank that the British Armed forces used at the end of the century. In War Thunder, the vehicle proudly sits at the very top of the sixth rank in the ground vehicles part of the British tech tree.
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Nice, now fix the armor of the challenger
And the ariete one
@@pierluigiadreani2159 yeah man fr
*flashbacks to leaked challenger documents*
Oh yeah and HESH
@@Goddamndan200i mean HESH is pretty good these days
When the chally trades it's mobility for protection but gaijin makes it's armour worse than almost every MBT ingame.
The problem is its mobility isn't even that bad the tank can really move in real life and hold its speed while turning something which in game if u do it just stops.
I wrote to them on their website about this issue, but as a result, they didn’t post my comment. Nice move, Gaijin. Russian bias, go go!!!
actually Challenger can spin his turret for 10s, but super slow in game, wow nerf by Gaijin
@@DanSpam225because Gaijin won’t add regenerative braking for some reason.
@@ledbythereaper likely because russian tanks dont have XD
I want Chally 2 to have a turret rotation speed like in real life, turning 1 round takes only about 10 seconds, instead of as long as a lifetime.
I want a reallife Chally 2 cause than any other tank ingame can go take his stuff and leave haha cause Chally is stronger then Leo2A6 now proofen in Ukrain. Stronger than Abrams, cause they fight over years the Same weaponery. and Chally 2 didnt explode from a Tow rocket like the Trashcan Us tank.
@@fernandojohnsen7639 the challenger hasn't yet been used by ukraine in combat and Leo2A6 failed due to lack of air defense/air superiority.
@@Achillobator85 When Chally 2 Joins the Comabt its the Same Firepower he has to defend like in Iraq oder Kosovo. And its a Fact that the Swinez 2 Round did not Penetrate his Armor Parts. Of course maybe he get destroyed in Ukrain, I mean the Leo got destroyed cause no Air support. Btw. CHally 2 fight 4 years without Air Support in Iraq but dont matters cause Mines and hundret of Rocket or 3BM42/46 round who are fired into his armor but yeah. Chally 2 Survived Cause he has the strongest Armor. Of Course he is a Old Dog but Dude Leo 2A6 from the Canadians fight every single day and the stand against Anti Tank weapons who any other Tank maybe got destroyed but. Chally 2 say whatever you want got dested hundret of times. Swinez 2 Rounds, DM63 Rounds, M829A3 rounds the Only one able to fire threw the Entire Hull Armor Part was the DM63 round. But Chally didnt fight against German Engeneering. He fight against Old Russian Technologie I mean the Swinez 2 Round Penetrate 700mm Armor ?? Able to destroy any Nato Tank include Chally 2 but only in his Weakspots wich mean Driver Spot and Lower hull. Thats a Fact. Leo and Abrams are completely Fucked cause they have only Turret armor wich get not Penetrated by this Round.And Abrams is maybe a lag too when its the M1A1 cause the First really strong Abrams was the M1A2 Tusk 2.
Too bad it takes 20 seconds to move ammo to first ammo storage, so the 4 second is useless after only 4 shots
So worst round, worst engine, average reload, no safe ammo storage and meaningless armour. Point is?
@@arron4749 But french have better armor and mechanized ammo pack and Soviets have also lighter weight. British have the most heavy weight, worse engine power, worse round, average reload, thats the worst tanks in warthunder
@@arron4749 The Abrams having a longer reload after 1st stage is meaningless because the first stage it the area in the back of the turret which hold plenty of rounds for an entire match.
Like wise the Leo 2s and Type 10s only having blow out panels for 15-16 shots isn't a problem, because you won't need more than that in a standard match. Basically everyone leaves after one death so its unlikely you'll encounter more than three enemies and if you need more then 5 shots per enemy it won't matter how big your ammo reserve is because aiming like that means you won't last long enough to use it.
While you may be right that some other tanks have worse reload, or armour, or whatever else, the Chally has, or is tied for, the worst of all of them at the same time on one tank.
The Challenger is restricted to Hull down defensive position game play, but Gaijin can't even give it proper breach armour so it can fulfil this role...
yeah gaijin does this to alot of tanks like a deliberate nerf. its not good gameplay to treat breaches and there armour like paper and have them shot out every 10 seconds people should have to actually aim not get cheap kills. one of the most annoying for me is the fv4005 breach that when a single 50cal touches is knocked out yet the bloody things thicker than most tanks armour.
All MBT's in War Thunder have nerfed breach armour. If the Challenger gets proper breach armour all other MBT's should get it as well.
@murkser4149 Of course, these are weak points in the game. However, the Challenger's, compared to the likes of the Leopard and the T80/90's (as an example), is unreasonably massive and unrealistic. You don't even need to try and shoot the weak points around the Challenger's breach. It's so big that it takes up about 1/3 of its frontal turret armour.
@@DanSpam225 I know, every hit even too the hull seems like it will knock out the breech
@@p3rranIt's also a massive weakspot on Type 10, Leclerc, ZTZ99A, Ariete, etc. As I said, if they buff it on Challenger buff it on these tanks as well.
"tracked fortress" in real life perhaps, but not in game, given how stunted gaijin has it
I was waiting for these comments. Gaijin is so delusional and won't listen. FIX CHALLY 2 TES ERA!
I can agree with that the Challe in the real life one of the safest MBT's and it is a real tracked fortress,
btw the almighty snail doesn't like the briish tech-tree, so its one of the weakest MBT's in the game and deffinetly not a tracked fortress... Isn't it a pity?
Not to mention Gaijin refuses to listen to the leaked top secret documents that would take the Chally to immortality
@@AxlePlaysGames Ofc. Gaijin ignore anything less than secret documents. Secret documentation Will also be ignored like the game own file. Gaijin Logic at finest
@@AxlePlaysGamessmartass they can't use Classified documents, it's illegal
@@Chronesys it annoys me because I've been grinding chally for several years and I'll suffer in top tier... seems a good deal for me
@@trebicszsigmond5482 As an italian main i understand you quite well.
"tracked fortress" but with composite armor less effective than the stronk soviet rubber.
“rUsSiAn BiAs DoEsNt ExiSt”
It's red team bias because that's where most of the cheaters and hackers are and they are all nearly PC users. There needs to be separate services for console and PC users.
@@lastswordfighter i play on PC and i have never ever seen anyone cheating. Its just significantly easier to play WT on PC and the skill gap between pc players and console players is noticeable
BUT what the snail needs to do is make a GROUND BATTLES actually be ground battles instead of CAS battles
Please fix challenger 1 and the challenger 2 armour. Over the years since challenger 1 first came to the game i have provided plenty off source's from every challenger book out there to unclassified documents like documents on the challenger 1 trails were they compared it to the Abrams. And it proved challenger 1 MK2 had around 500mm against kinetic and atleast 1000mm against chemical ammunition. And don't get me started on challenger 2 are how yous have give its add-on armour kits there incorrect protection values !!
It's not a Russian tank so it will never be fixed
ERA from TES have just 30mm KE and heavier and thicker..... Thats not logical
@@Ritsu_Kuriaki yes I agree it is absolutely ridiculous like it's atleast 200mm thick then plus you have the composite armour back plate. And when you add it all up plus the tanks side hull armour it should be atleast 30mm apfsds proof of not 40mm and with the configuration that TES is in, it should stop Tandam warheads so it should should be pretty much immuned from every sort of chemical ammunition in the game !!
@@duckmartin9853 yeah but that would make a british tank competitive so gaijin will never fix it
fix the chally's mantlet armour
Please fix the breach armour and reload times. The ERA too but at this point just a breach armour fix would be enough.
Why Just fix the Entire Tank line. Chally 1 and Chally 2 I mean dude Gaijin Massacred the Tank over 7 times until he is now Useless
My favourite tank, with the worlds best armour package, completely massacred by this games company lmao
Like they do the British lines in all thier games
I also love playing Chally 2 but Chally 2 is easier to die than Chally 1 and I hate that
not just armour but its mobility especially when turning as well as its turret traverse and gun elevation speed. theres also the wet bins that prevent the charges from exploding in a way that would kill the crew easily but this isnt modelled. and now with the apds changes most of the mid tier stuff is rubbish like the conqueror especially i bounce or shatter leo 1s endlessly.
Its armor wasn't even "the world's best" the year it was built... M1A2's is stronger, on the turret at least
@@theScottishKoala America literally bought the challenger armour system of Britain....
War thunder trying to convince me the 75 ton tank has glass armour
It dosent
Tracked fortress = T80BVM / T80U
Tracked toys = all nato tank
The only people we don't despise at gaygin is the model artists.
@@knowahnosenothing4862 and the basement guy
In my experience, Challengers get punched through by anyone on their BR and the Challenger 2 has a very weak dart for its tier compared to other MBTs. Then when you hear to go to the nearest sniper spot... where every other MBT is faster and has better darts at the same time, I wonder if the staff are playing their own game.
Big shame about the armor but the weaker dart makes sense because it uses a rifled cannon which due to the fins of an APDSFS round causes it to act like paddles in the air
550mm of pen at 1000m its not bad penetration, even when u play with abrams sep and leopard 2a6 you have to aim carefully to destroy enemy tanks, when i face challengers I have a lot of trouble finding the weak spot and if I miss the first shot I'm sure I'm still in the fight because I know he'll reload faster and finish the fight. the challenger's only real weakness is mobility
and u have stock APSFDS
@@ycgameplays the L23 is so horrible that even though you hit the side of a Russian mbt right in the ammo and then into there fuel tank you have a 90% chance of doing nothing to him or a 10% chance of killing him.
I do agree that getting stock apfsds is better then getting heatfs. But there are still downsides to the stock dart which does make the grind painful.
@@dedneyder3586 a while ago i faced the challenger with a t80 stock minion and when i saw this tank in front of me i knew i just had to sit and cry, because my shots didn't cause any damage, especially the version with extra protection on the sides
Add some more light tanks for Britain and fix the challanger armour
Dunno about the Fortress part.
The chally's armor in game is as effective as a wet blanket.
It works 50/50. I've been swarmed by T-72's, T-80's, and leopards and survived while not being able to move and can fire back
Armour in top tier is something, sometimes you survive without a scratch and sometimes you just explode
I dont about that one when i first got the chally 2f i was able to eat missles and side shots
armor doesn't matter after cold war, everything is able to be 1 shot
@@Gears-2 thats probably because Gaijin has nerfed it semi recently, took out all the armour plating in the side of the turret and made the ufp weaker
when gaijin makes the cally armor worse and someone responds by posting official classified documents:
having to research L27A1 5 times for each chally 2 sure was enjoyable thankyou snail...
Fix the bloody armour would you? Like come on mate - the challenger was made to be a literal castle on tracks, not a slow moving block of butter.
Buff the Challengers please. Both 1 & 2
3:08 the l23 round does not do a lot of damage. When grinding the challenger 2 and challenger TES it refused to detonate Russian ammo racks.
This is the finest form of gaslighting.
Also fix and buff the challengers protection. (main problem is that most documents are still classified )
except for the ones that arent, and plain as day say what protection it has, cough cough, TES side skirts by rafael
@@izwoofletime4883 But it's so much easier to just rename them to "ERA" and give them the identical stats to the ROMOR armor from 30 years prior!! you can't expect them to look at the unclassified stats that Rafael provides!!
@@izwoofletime4883 30mm KE i think I should take them off for faster speed
why does Gaijin hate the British
Id love the TES if it actually had its real applique armour values, The TES package is supposed to be pass STANAG level 6 which is protection against 30mm APFSDS at 500m, looking at the rounds in game that would give around 80mm of effective kinetic protection, rather than 30mm of kinetic protection given in game. It doesnt sounds like much but that increase would dramatically improve it against the IFVs and would seriously reduce the effectivness of spalling against the challenger 2 TES.
And the armour hole that is the breech makes 0 sense, fix those and the Challenger 2s will be a lot more viable in game.
It literally does protect from 30mm APFSDS on the TES. People always ignore the extra composite armour plate behind the ERA.
@@murkser4149Yes it does, but the key is that the TES ERA should be able to resist 30mm APFSDS entirely by itself, no composite required. Right now it is functionally identical to the 2F in terma if protection outside of a few edge cases, while weighing substantially more.
It's arguably one of the best end of the line vehicles in the game back when it was an end of the line because it made the 2F lose it's research penalty and there was no reason to get the TES and be disappointed, you can already be disappointed without getting it.
Hey Gajin, any reason of all the dozens of vehicles your planning op "decompressing", why are you buffing just the russian ones to compensate?
Because its a russian company and they need to make russian tanks looks as good as possible
@TheBullterrier2005 that's skill issue the reactive armour acts as another protection plate against APFSDS
@@steelnail1917Well yeah but then you have the t72 turms at the same br as the challenger DS when it is statistically better than its British counterpart in almost every way
Its been like that for years. I think the last 2 br changes were the only where Russian tanks weren't lowered. Previously you'd see more lowered than raised which was opposite of every other nation
The hole reason I started playing challengers is just for there beauty they are gorgeous and this is coming from an Australian
Australians for the challenger!
Because it's not Russian Gaijon will give the Challenger armour made of paper 📜🗞️
1:19 the story of the flying tank🤣
Too bad the Challenger 2 TES is completely nerfed into the floor by having the wrong ERA... IRL it has Rafael Shield R armor that's a mix of a NERA underplate with an ERA brick on top, in War Thunder it is visually Shield R, but is only ROMOR in protection. this problem's been pointed out for for years on the forums now, ever since before it was even officially added to the game.
the TL/DR of the Challenger 2s in War thunder is IMO that the Black Night is the ONLY one worth using. as the rest are too slow and heavy and their top round is easily the worst in the game at top tier.
(and unlike USSR/USA/(maybe) Germany, they have NOTHING that can back up their Challengers as their planes and helicopters are essentially worthless when compared to MiG-27K/Mi-28N and F-14B and F-16A) (and maybe Germany's MiG-29 as an intermediate solution to their lack of actual 12.0 groundstrikers)
Gaijin, please give them challengers more armor, with their weak darts and lack of mobility, they really deserve to have one of the best armors in the game... meanwhile they have one of the worst
It’s not a fortress, not at all, if you want a fortress get the T-80BVM. Ok now buff all the minor nations armor and fix them to be more realistic and not missing armor
“Powerful round” with the lowest pen of any top tier mbt
I'm sure the top secret information leaked about this tank has not been implemented in game and will not preform as the real deal.
tracked fortress with made up holes in the turret...
ATTACK THE D POINTTT !!!
Now how about you guys fix the armor of MBTs you intentionally scuffed
Now give the C2 TES power regenerative steering
No point grinding UK, the top tier is pointless with so little difference between the vehicles.
Please make its manuverability realistic
AJAX 40mm and Boxer with 30mm capability….. are both confirmed to enter service.
it'd be great if the chally got its armour wouldn't it
The Challenger experience is having someone look at you and shooting anywhere without a care in the world whilst you have to aim for very small and specific points to even damage them, let alone kill.
The Challenger experience is spending near a minute repairing your breech and gun barrel because someone hit one and somehow got both. This is with a level 150 silver crew too.
The Challenger experience is getting ammo racked by Ruskis and Jerries but rarely detonating their ammo even with a direct hit.
The Challenger experience is having your armour work when your gun is out and you are surrounded by T tanks.
The Challenger experience is having a thirty millimetre mantlet, so even if the armour did work consistently, it would not matter anyway.
Boy am I glad I got them all.
Nice video, now how about you fix its armor as its far from being the fortress you claim it is
Britain doesn't need the t90 it should have a challenger 2 for its squadron vehicle like every other tree
"The cake is a lie."
Please make its manoeuvrability realistic, please give it a faster turret traverse, please give the round its actual penetration, please model the armour correctly, please add more IFVs to Britain around top tier.
When will we get another sherman in the game? We clearly don't have enough shermans.
Can't believe I watched an 8 minute video about top tier british vehicle as a German main at 6.3
chally armour should be the best in the game since were trading in mobility
They would be as good at the "leopards and the Leclercs" but sadly gaijin hates britain and intentionally neglects them.
They hate every nation except Russia.
Just look at the centurions. They were used to be 6.7 now 7.7 ~8.0
The survivability of all Challengers is almost the same as light tanks. One hit to the armor under the turret and you go to the hangar. Interestingly, when you shoot at Russian MBT tanks, you need at least 3 shots to the same place. As a result, the Challenger is not a Tracked Fortress. I’m ruining your myth in your own game.
1:18 what in the Only in Battlefield was that?!
Q: When will naval ships br 7.0 to 9.0 be added in?
Challenger 3 + Challenger 2F equipment is probably the strongest tank ever made add APS its a super tank
Hopefully the MoD gets there act together
FIx chally 2 armor
so does this means your gonna folder some of them and buff the turret breach armour? oh and fix the ERA? or are you gonna keep it nerfed because you hate Britain?
Imagine calling it a "tracked fortess" and its completely useless
Would be interesting to seen the Challenger 1/2 with the Jordanian Falcon turret in the premium/South African line
Interesting fact about the Challenger 1 is that holds the record for the longest tank kill in history during the 1991 Gulf War knocking out a T55 at 3.1miles or 5000 meters away.
Never had any issues with challengers at all i love them and i survive alot. No negative towards the british mbt
1:16 😂 Isnt it Mario Kart?
add the F15 Eagle to War Thunder as a official plane plss😭😭😭
Glass cannon more like, not tracked fortress.
I think Type 10 more suits to glass cannon
@@professorjackal4083 Yeah, but it's most likely built like that, the challenger is not
Challengers and again Challengers
I don seen them to the zaporojie front
Where is them?
"Challenger, try to remember the basics of CQC"
So even you guys know that it’s not competitive. Fix the breech armour for the love of god
The slow speed is okay. If the lower front plate is penned, the player is using it wrong(though Chobham 2F really should be strong enough to ricochet most apfsds). The turret rotation and gun elevation should be much faster. But the breech armour error just makes it borderline unplayable
wrong tea amour is best amour the amount of shells I bounce is crazy
Day 1 of asking for modern RWR.
If you want modern RWRs, pls help make this the top comment!
Good, and now GIVE TES THE ERA PANELS IT DESERVES!!!!!!@!@!11!!!
still. its turret and parts of the hull should be immune to all shells but nope :(
Hello Gaijin, just a question for the next shooting range, had war thunder had a collab with other games, like minecraft, and if not when will it happen?
Only if people knew that the Leclerc armour is the weakest of all the western MBT's.
because it’s one of the weakest MBTs for armour irl. The challengers aren’t.
@@thatonelocalauthority2809 Indeed. I was one of the fortunate lot to see those leaked Challenger classified documents put up on the WT forum before taken down.
As usual the game Devs are kind of way off. Lol
The armour is wrong that fact that all nato mbt have licensed chobham armour copies makes no sense plus the challenger 2 has radium plus the rounds have wrong hit Jericho bag one is 510mm pen and Jericho two bag has about just under 600 pen as well the turret rotation is one the fastest in the world because it was designed to hunter killer mode as it’s called think gaijin just hates the uk, France and Italy
Lol, ask Ukraine to put the Challenger 2 on front line and we can see if Gaijin is telling the truth. Simple way to test in real battle
Challenger 3 when?
We likely won't get it anytime soon, russia seems to be the only nation that gets its tanks ahead of when they're accepted into service, like the 2S38
@@mattbrown7935 It's so they can have a half a centaury tech disparity and claim they aren't bias. 50 years difference between the A10 and the 2S38.
14 times asking for a normal l3/33 premium with a flamfrower
You should have mentioned how the Challenger was a continuation of the failed Shir tank project
Do you remember when chalenger 2 front armour was good? ... me neither
Hi.Did you hear about He-115.
please add vapour vorticies in the next update. Also please add the Chinese J-10(and also make a premium version).
A J-10 would be great. A premium version of it however... would be not so great.
so top tier japan spaa when?
korea??
It would be nice if you brought the rounds you were speaking of on the screen, when you list off the round types, it means almost nothing to me.
When will the suspension on wheeled vehicles (example: Radkampfwagen) react with the movement of the wheels? atm it seems they don't, at least not on console.
yea i main it and its fun to bully the leopards at 10.0 as the round pens the amour on the turret.
Yo the LFP has ERA placements
Making a video instead of fixing the issue with the MBTs armor is not a way to appease the community. Video pretty much screams anyone who plays British MBT are getting dogged because the tank is dog when thats not the case. t80 BVMs and other vehciles tank shells better then this and they're worse armored. and when they don't tank the shell. they have a fuel tank eat it. and prevent them from dying.
Not an accurate reflection of the real Challenger then. 🤦
ok i dont know if this is new or not but i just found out about migrating console accounts to pc and i just want to say thank you so much
Song name in the later part of the video?
IRL The LFP was penetrated by RPG-29, injuring the driver...it's huge weakspot, even with ERA, the RPG rocket used tandem head...
the incident your on about was a challenger without era or dorchester block on it was the reason they started applying the extra armour there as while very unlucky timing with the tank cresting a bank an rpg was shot through the lfp. its a shame the armour doesnt extend all the way down to the floor but lessons get learned things dont always hit where u expect them too.
@@DanSpam225 The shot was from a RPG-29 in fact, I think, which can penetrate practically any MBTs LFP if the gunner has the balls to aim there, a T-80 or an abrams stands the same chance against it too
@@tianhaoju4634 in Afgahnistan an M1 Abrams got destroy from a turret shot from an RPG29 I mean the Turret Armor defend 800mm Ap Rounds but Bro 750mm Armor Penetration yeah Abrams just got ripped of and Even the 70-90mm Chally 2 lower Hull armor got a Scratch. The Chally 2 lower Plate is an Chobham Steel Plate as I know thats why the RPG come threw less. Cause when you shot an Rpg agains a 500mm thick Beton wall the Wall would break and you would die when you stand behind. And the Mix from Steel and Chobham is stronger then any other Combination of Steel. and thats the Reason why the RPG only Hit and not kill the Tank. The Dorchester Block later after this happens. Is able to stop 3BM46 rounds from the Russinas so yeah. Gaijin wheres Buff ?
The LFP was penetrated by an RPG-29 using a tandem warhead. the RPG-29 was only first issued in 1989. there isn't much a few blocks of ROMOR could've done to stop this penetration, it's why the TES armor was such a huge leap forwards for it.
@@sydney4814 Okay...but there are rounds for RPG-7V with Tandem that are said to have similar effectivness to the RPG-29...
Could we have a triathlon for modern top tier anti aircraft machines
I just started playing with challengers and BOOM, there is a video. Do you guys stalk me?😂
Tracked fortress when its protection levels are nowhere near the BVM and STRV 122, the true holders of this title
What song started playing at 4:20?
To be fair the stock round is very good
a normal day of stealing miratery document
Ok fix the TES chemical protection please
OFL-120 F2 When?
I downloaded war thunder on xbox last night, so that i can play as a challenger 2
Important! historically the Panther has night vison. this is true because in 1944 and 1945. the Germans conducted tests of Fg 1250 night vison sets on the panther tanks although in 1945 we guessed 50 or 63 panthers has night vison Sets equipped to ambush Us convoys or tanks in the night. they aren't common in war
Can you already repair sounds in this game? Every update its getting worse and worse.