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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2022
- ** So, it's cold 🥶, like really cold!... But we still gotta work and so does the Fendt 724 so let's try get it going here and drive it up to the north farm.
This has proven to be a "create work" project 🤦🏻♂️
For whatever reason the Wabasto has seemed to went on strike and without it's help to circulate and heat up that engine coolant, there's a slim chance of getting it going...
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Mike - Before retirement 12 years ago, I was an engineer for Caterpillar. I needed to give engine division an unaided cold start requirement for Tier 3. I said -22F or -30C. I gave this because of our difficulty starting Tier 2's at our Minneapolis plant for shipments on the coldest mornings. We are only talking maybe -10F. We learned on Tier 3 the fuel system would not inject until cranking speed reached 90 rpm. So Tier 3 they did give us improved everything and at least from the plant, no cold start problems. Major advantage - Caterpillar uses 24 volt on most construction equipment (excluding backhoe loaders, skid steers, etc.) and the performance of 24v over 12v is super, like the old days when dad switched our old tractors from 6v to 12v. I can feel for you.
In BC when we needed to start the equipment when EXTREMELY COLD we would wrap the engine area with a heavy duty canvas tarp and place a tiger torch inside a piece of heavy wall steel pipe with a 90 Degree bend on the end and in a very short period of time the engine block was toasty warm and the equipment started very easily.
I’ve done the same thing helping people start their cars that have to park on the street. I just used old blanks over the engine and let the hood down on top. 5 to 10 minutes and they would fire up, smaller engine closer to the ground.
It's crazy how he's trying to start a tractor that will barely turn over.
He could use the exhaust of the genset instead of the tiger torch. Use the genset to power the block heater, battery blanket and oil pan heater and the exhaust to heat the overall engine.
What was the 90° bend for?
We would do exactly this to get stuff running here in Alberta when it’s-40 and somethings the stupid -50
@@verlinswarey507 It is common to have a 4' straight pc with a 1' 90 degree elbow so a person can direct the heat upwards towards the engine block.
Sometimes a person would put extra blocking under the elbow end to get top of elbow closer to engine block
It’s amazing how much help a old canvas tarp over the hood and covering the sides makes with just the block heater. Then we move onto the tiger torch in one end of a exhaust pipe with the other end under the oil pan
Thats what they use to do with the semi trucks combined with one of those little can heaters
Installed plenty of Webastos in my life. The diesel line freezes easily below -25C. Helps to insulate it and especially keep it out of the wind
Yeah that's what I was thinking, the diesel just can't flow properly so it cuts out.
Up in sask our winter fuel flows at -25c thats not an issue. Unless he had summer fuel in it
I tend to be in-line with Mikes thoughts and view in 90% of cases, and I find him one of the most balanced/unbiased people on this sort of platform. However Im afraid expecting modern machinery with Tier V engines to start in these sort of conditions when not left inside or covered is asking for trouble regardless of make. Starting is one thing, but how much wear is that putting on the engine, fuel pumps, hydraulic pumps, vario etc when the oil is like tar.
As a mechanical engineer who designs equipment typically rated from -29 to 180 Deg C (and up to 350 C in some cases) with working pressures up to 25,000 psi. Designing for cold working is often much more challenging than hot. Yes older equipment is sometimes better in colder environments, but tolerances are looser, compression ratio's less, hydraulic pumps are open center not closed/load sensing (so aren't as loaded on cranking) and they don't have 50,000 psi common rail injection pumps to turn etc. Fendts are arguably one of the best when it comes to fuel efficiency, so this come at a cost, which is basically makes an already highly toleranced engine very stiff (in the case of this engine, although I would agree its sounds like the starter is pants in any case). If you have a 100k+ tractor that needs to be left out in a field for a while in cold weather, surely a tarp or a machinery shed in certain locations is a wise investment?!
Government legislation dictates efficiency and emissions and engineers have to design to meet this.. I think this is somewhat in part to blame as you don't get something for nothing.
DEF... DEF is just a nightmare and should be banned IMO.
Mike doesn't put enough hours on a machine to worry about long term wear.
Modern engines start way better due to better fuel injection systems and direct injection versus indirect injection. I suspect that the timing is way reduced on the Fendt during startup. An oil pan heater and battery blanket would go a long way to getting that thing started.
THIS^^^
Yeah modern machinery is junk.
@@memesandmusic Therefor he should expect to have to tarp it and then blow hot air into tarp with a huge space heater, it should start in 20 minutes. Those two items will fit in back of his pick-up.
@@allannantes8583 put the tarp on and tie it in such a way that it stays on all winter weather it's running or not...I did with my McCormick MTX110
Mike
I use the wabasto heaters on all of our milk trucks. You can program them for up to 2hrs. 120 mins. There are many different options for programming. Just go to settings and turn the voltage down lower.
We had a John Deere R diesel with a two cylinder gas pup starting motor that was cooled by the same antifreeze as the big engine..To start it when it was cold and not plugged in we use to run two tanks of gas through the little pup that was enough to make the radiator steam and it would fire right up ..They were great cold starting tractors and we live in north central Sask...I don't understand why they don't make tractors like that anymore..Great video too...
Hey there Mike! First of all Thanks for all the great videos. Something that might be worth looking into... I've seen a setup where, using quick connections, you could hook up your truck to the tractor and warm up the coolant with the warm coolant from the truck. Like boosting, but with antifreeze lol. Works with excavators and bulldozers so it should with tractors too
Heating the coolant is not as important as heating the oil. Going back to the 1950s- pre rural electrification- The oil was drained at shut-down and put in a heated building. Batteries also. Just before cranking, boiling water was poured over the fuel system.
Happy New Year 🥳 Mitchell families and all your employees
Best investment ever, i have a webasco on my truck, between that the block heater and a oil pan heater it fires up like its summer time. Plus its nice when you fire up and its blowing warm air in the cab!
All newer tractors need a warm home in the winter . The cow feeding guys have horror stories . Every brand . I have had 0.0 issues but mine is stored at 20C. For a new tractor parked outside Just get a frost fighter and warn the whole thing up. My John deere loader tractor literally froze up working yesterday and it is new.
Hey Bill you need to cover that tractor maybe...give em a coat to wear...I did that with my McCormick MTX110 made a big difference also put a circulating in line heater in it...maybe I'll do a video of how it is plumbed this week
I would build a heated shop. A very expensive tractor it would be worth it.
When it gets that cold here in Manitoba we put a battery charger on and put a tarp underneath and put a propane heater on to heat and start it easier whatever kind of equipment you have....and using a propane heater works great for us
Amazing insight into the challenges your face with equipment and weather - fascinating watch 🇬🇧👍
I'm impressed with your patience, and I agree it should start regardless the temp if you are prepared as you are. Also congratulations on the addition the newest Mitchell family member. with your patience you'll be an awesome dad.
Haha thanks Kevin, 🙂
Back in the 80s Mike the lumberjack we hired, plumbed hydraulic hoses and quick couplers into the heater hoses of all the equipment and their pickups, so when they needed to start something they just hooked up 2 hoses between the pickup that was running and something that wasn't, had a cup of coffee and started the equipment right up.
I also remember those hoes,but then gm can along with the red antifreeze and said don't mix the red with the green. And I think that was the end of a good idea. It worked.
@@stepark3437 still a good idea. Most vehicles use red or yellow antifreeze now anyway so i don't think it is an issue. You can mix the colors, but what happens is the green color will dilute the additives and bring down the effectiveness of the other colors.
Works great….until you crack you pickup block.
Yup best and fastest is wrap a tarp around and either a tiger heater or even just a nipco space heater works wonders and pretty quickly.
In our 2014 Ponsse Buffalo Forwarder, there's a 7.7 L Mercedes Engine.
And when it drops down to -25/-30c here in Sweden it requires the 12kw webasto to be on for at least 1 hour to be happy. Most of the time we run it for 2h
We have a Webasto 90ST on our 2001 Komatsu 901, and I have never had so many issues on a auxiliary heater before. Old Volvo's not-famous-in-a-good-way Ardic's work better and more reliably than that Webasto. I just prefer Eberspächers nowadays.
I feel your pain, when I worked in the Yukon in the winter years ago we used to tiger torches and stove pipes to warm up the oil pan and a a few times a bucket of saw dust a desil fule and light it up!
Thank you Mike - my stepfather always watched your videos and loved them as a mechanic and farmer guy too.
He is now bedridden in hospice care (at home thank God), already mostly unconcious with aggresive terminal stage cancer.
I'm playing your videos to him.
Sometimes he opens his eyes and tries to really focus to see, but otherwise I'm sure he hears, listens and loves the clinging of tools and engines running.
He sometimes talks or mumbles something about tools and cars lol, God bless him.
All the best from cold Finland ❄️
19:20 my dad always parked the important tractors inside the cow barn. It is a lot warmer in there than outside.
Good luck with it Mike, I'll hope it will start at some point.🤔😉
If you go into the settings on webasto you can change the run time to 120 minutes and you can change the low voltage shut off to 11.2 volts is the lowest I believe
Don't they need to detect 12.4v to start?
@Farmer Lamb yes they need to be over 12v for the initial start up and most of them come set up to shut off below 12.2 i believe which is a good idea if your only using 1 or 2 batteries. I run 6 batteries on my semi and I have 2 on an isolater switch and the webasto hooked onto them with the webasto low voltage cut off as low as it will go. 11.2 volts I believe so it can suck them 2 batteries right down if it wants then that still leaves me 4 good batteries to start the truck. Then I flip that isolater switch in the cab and it hooks all 6 batteries back together so the truck can charge them other 2
@@farmerlamb2372 Should be at 8.8 at absolute minimum.
On the feeding subject, you know every rancher pulls out their old soundguard deere or boxcar magnum when these temps hit because nothing hardly stops those tractors
Hey Mike I dont know much about those Wabatso but as a cattle guy I use a circulating inline heater on my main feeding tractor at -40 plug that heater in for 2 hours and my McCormick fires right up and I don't have a heated shop...pick them heaters up at Peavy Mart for about 100 bucks
Hi Mike, Don't worry about the Fendt Its -31 here - 40 plus wind chhill and my CNH TS 125 was plugged in all night and only turned over twice. We're now going to put a small consstruction heater under the engine and tarp over the engine Keeping the heater away from wires plastic and hoses. For about 2 hours it'll start. Done this before and it works Happy New Year to you and your families
Great video Mike good luck starting your tractor
For the DEF tank, I see a metal tang on the bottom where a Katz Handi-heat would stick on nicely!
Hello from Moosomin, Saskatchewan, Canada. Thanks for sharing your great video’s please keep them comin
Clear story Mike, feel ánd understand the frustration! Such a top-class tractor (although maybe designed and tested for the easy European weather conditions), should start quickly, sure with all the precaution measures taken and the lasting preparation you have been working on. A whole day has passed before you get it running. Of you got it running?
Fully understand you like and prefer the easy starting tractors, like the loader (Johnny) tractor you mentioned, or Earny (the 'old Massey'), as well as the Fendt tractors using the Deutz engine or either the Mann engine (like the Fendt 1050). Not to talk about DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) issues ...
Good luck buddy, don't forget to enjoy family life of today in wintertime.
You’re 724 is due the latest software update, you’ll have some nice functions on the screen. Won’t help the cold start though!! 🤣
My 6155R with the 6.8 has started down to -22C without being plugged in. Haven't tried colder because it doesn't get that cold here but it was pretty grumpy at that temperature.
Growing up on a dairy stuff has to run. When it gets ridiculously cold we just left stuff run over night. It was literally easier on equipment to burn some extra fuel over night then try and get it going in the morning.
Running a diesel engine at idle... for long periods of time...is one of the worst things you can do to it...the unburnt fuel that creates...will eventually reduce compression...glaze and frack up the cylinders
@@Sean-tx6mb Who said they were at idle?
Those newer Webastos are really finicky on voltage. Can't let it drop very much or it will kick it out. But if you can get it to stay running it'll heat that engine up toasty warm.
This parameter can be set... depends which installation kit you buy.
Feelin' yer pain , Mike. I don't think the "other" people understand what it's like to get shut down when it doesn't have to be that way.
Thank you Mike for increasing the value of our John Deere pre def tractors. Never bought or poured def in my life.
We used to plumb in quick connects on the coolant lines on our tractors and trucks so you could drive one over to the other, hook up and use the running equipment to fire up the frozen equipment. After about 20 min the cold equipment was at operating temp and would fire right up
I own a 1979, 2745 Massey Ferguson with the 539ci v8 Perkins engine. Last year in northern Missouri it got to -19 Fahrenheit, which is damn cold for us. We were out of opinions to feed with due to non cold related break downs and the ole Massey was in the unheated open air bar and not plugged in. I repeat, not plugged in!!! It started 3rd crank and hardly blew any white smoke or knocked. Let run for 35 minutes and fed hay for the cows. Perkins engines, in my humble opinion, were some of the best ever made! Shout out to your Ernie!
I used to plug in a 1500 watt circulating heater for the block and had a heating element jammed up to the oil pan. In -35, in 2 hours the water temp was at 190 and it roared to life like it was +30 outside! I would also run some very thin oil in the hydraulics. Like you said, It has to work when you feed animals. I feel your frustration.
Oil pan heaters in the 70s and 80s was an essential piece of equipment on every tractor, truck and van where I live, but these days no young person knows the joy of having to plug any vehicle in now
People used to start a small fire under their exacavator to warm it up too i've heard, and yes in theory that should work. We've also used a gas burner (handle + thick mouthpiece) to blow on the oil sump to heat it up aswell. Also works pretty good for smaller equipment.
@@Rx37Legacy not just fires under the oil pan some equipment we had to burn a few pages from a newspaper in front of the air filter to heat the air going in when glow plugs didn't work very well
@@Rx37Legacy Did that in th e Yukon, bucket of saw dust and desiel or tiger tourches and stove pipe.
Love that sound. Mini jet engine start. :)
Enjoyed the video. I guess there’s nothing more entertaining than watching someone struggling to get something started in the cold! I wish I had some good cold weather starting tips for you,but I really don’t! And where are you at?! The main farm? What are all those brown buildings?! I’m lost! And I still can’t believe that you just left us hanging out with the dead Fendt while you went and bought party hats! That’s just mean,man!
Good Morning,
I am a Webasto Engineer ;) This is not a comapany statement, but my personal view.
I am always happy to see our puppies running. But to be honest lower than -40°C is also hard for us.
There I some things you should look after to make it run properly:
1st: secure electricity: You are right, it has a low volatage shut off. It should leave you with a minimum battery capacity to start your engine, especially when you set it on auto mode. For a 12V heater it is around 8.8V as threshhold.
2nd: secure fuel supply. Just because you hear the pump ticking, it doesn't mean the fuel is running. Diesel at -40°C doesn't run well. But since it was running this obviously wasn't a problem.
3rd secure the right air volume: Make sure neither the air intake or the exhaust is blocked in any way. No snow or dead mice in the tubes. It needs the right pressure ratios for the blower to deliver the right air volume for the fuel. Not enough air, or too much air also kills it in the starting phase.
Generally stick to the mounting manual! There are several released mounting positions. I think the way it is mounted it is possible to have some air bubbles in the heat exchanger. It needs to be able to vent/bleed the bubbles. Otherwise you get a overheating of teh heatexchanger. This is also detected and leeds to a shut down. If it happens too often it goes into permnent lock, cus you dont wanna burn you machine down. Always mount the heater below the equelizing tank (reservoir).
The heater itself worked, but faced some shutdown conditions.
Did it throw any error code?
What model is it exactly?
And did the dealer solve the problem?
By the way we also have electric pre-heaters to plug in. And also fully electric heaters up to 10kW.
Best regards
As a Webasto user in semi truck applications, I can confirm what this random guy is saying!
They work great when the conditions are right, but they also have a lot of sensors to keep them safe, so you have to check all the codes and troubleshoot the system.
Webasto engineer ... an actual engineer at the plant or engineer as in repair/field engineer by a dealer?
@@valkman761 Engineer at the production plant. I was responsible for the production line of this model (Thermo Top C) and also responsible for the industrialization of several OE customer projects, so also involved in product development. We also build some smal waterheaters in Fenton, Michigan, but I am from the main plant in germany...
I have webasto in my 16 yo diesel BMW, Best invention ever. I have it on remote start from my home, 15 min later all warmed up and ready to go :D
I would love to see some more deeres around ! But honestly like in a comment somewhere below , Valtra is the tractor you want if you like to keep going in the cold weather. And also a very comfortable tractor 👌
Valtras are not available or supported in canada but see the odd imported ones
Modern valtras with the 7.4 liter agco are just as bad at starting in cold weather as any modern tractor. We have the same engine in our komatsu 875 and the webasto is a necessity
@@valtramies2 Then i would stick to John Deere : )
over in southern Alberta it was really cold then warmed up this weekend now its cold again but next week it going to be 6c on the plus side
You basically have a plug in hybrid tractor, takes 3 extension cords to get it going LOL
I’ve worked in the Arctic where there are temperatures of -50 aplenty , this is a graveyard of cold starts , new engines will start without engine heaters at these extreme cold temperatures only to have the aluminum pistons heat up before the sleeves , causing scoring and wrecking of engines with almost zero hours , and manufactures will not cover the damage under warranty.
it’s not limited to certain manufacturers!
As a cow guy you just do what you have too. Tarp it over and put a torch under it, or drag bales with a pickup and chain. We do have one Belarus, a kubota, and a john Deere all around a hundred horse and all under 10 years old. That Belarus plugged in outside, out starts all of them. Just not as fun to drive, but a couple hundred cows dont like waiting to eat. Been deleting def out of our pickups and any new tractor will be deleted too, frick the warranty when you have cows to feed.
Those Russians do know how to make stuff start in the cold🥶
We switch our oil in our tractors that we use in the winter to 0w40 makes a huge difference
We used to use that in our semis, but wheb the are working we aren't happy with the oil pressure, so we went back. But the Fendts all run Synthetic or *Premium Synthetic is what they actually say 🤷♂️😆
@@mikemitchell2554 Synthetics come in a variety of weights too- maybe the one you are using is 15w-40?
@@wssides I just checked and it's a 10W/40, so my opinion 0w/40 would still improve the starting but anything other than 10w/40 is not covered by AGCO 🤔
I have been working a lot with wabasto heaters, and they do cut off under 11.0 volts, but they also stops if they get to hot inside, and if just mounted this there maybe some air in the coolant system and if that air pocket should stop in the heater it will keep shutting off until you help it circulate the water again, this is one of the most common problems i have dealt with on newly mounted units.
You nailed it.
Well mike i am so pleased you will hopefully end up all green!!!! We have tried the rest and now we are back to the best 👍👍👍👍
A friend got an older Fendt over here in Sweden, and he dual inlets for grid heaters. One is for the coolant and the other one is for heating the oil in the gearbox. Without those the tractor is impossible to get moving in temperatures below 0 degrees celcius. A good idea would be to connect a batterycharger that charge the battery every single time you plug in the grid heater. 👍 Keep up the good work, Mike. And take good care of your family.
Johnny Sound like you have your own knowledge, too. Good advice. May I also add that a digital volt/ohm meter is a necessary tool so you know if your battery/ batteries voltage is where it should be, 12.6V. And buy the best battery charger you can afford. I am partial to Snap-On. Cheers
@@edwinhsingmaster9135 : That’s just something I usually do on a tractor that mostly is used in the wintertime. It’s a cheap solution to make sure that you always have good cranking amps, even when it’s cold. And it helps a lot to extend the life of the batteries. 👍 But that is what we trying to do in the cold over here in the north of Sweden. (The best charger i can get is Ctek... But I think they are not aviable for you guys overseas...)
0 40 eng oil and a pan heater is a must at -30. Your webasto also likely has a air pocket and is over heating as it's mounted pretty darn high up.
Probably is air in it yes. We use the exact same Webastos in our excavators and they mostly work flawlessly, but since he just got this one installed it might need further bleeding.
@@Rx37Legacy I believe you hit the nail on the head with your answer. He also needs an oil pan heater glued to the bottom of the oil pan. Warm oil works better than warm coolant when it comes to zero engine wear on start up. Oil pressure happens right away. Mike go buy one at any Audi car dealership.
@@allannantes8583 I think the Audi heater is only 200 watts. You want at least 400 watts for this tractor and likely another one to heat the hydraulic oil.
@@wssides You’re right again, he needs a big boy pan heater and one for the transmission as well.
Best way to keep emm working ones you git it working is to runn it once a day even in summer time
24v 5.9 Cummins has all ways started. As long as you have a grid heater and good batteries and connections.
"It's actually only -34 c ..." That counts as only? Ddddaaammmnnnn. I'm impressed.
We had that problem with the def on some trucks so we used die electric grease in each connector and it helped alot
One of the best tractors i had for cold starting was a 1958 cockshutt 570 with the Hercules diesel. Would start down to about -10c without being plugged in. And remember when i got this tractor it was already a worn out 40 year old machine. But at the same time it took 40 years for other manufacturers to even match what that old Hercules diesel would do.
That would be the 298 cu. inch. My dad owned the Cockshutt 550 with the four cylinder 198 cubic inch Hercules engine. It was a 1962 model year diesel (little brother to the 570). A great engine and a great tractor to this day. It is is still home on the farm. A sad story about the Cockshutt company’s demise. However the Cockshutt designed 9700 rotary axial flow combine lives on in the current Massey Ferguson combines. I think that AGCO should sell the Fendt Ideal combine in North America as the Cockshutt Ideal combine as AGCO owns the rights to the Cockshutt name.
From my experience most tractors made in the 80s and 90s with a 1500 watt circulating heater start pretty good. Seems like new tractors now a day’s don’t start good parked outside in winter. And even if you get them going you can’t drive them until the transmission warms up. And even then the def fluid freezes.
They used to make a heat magnet that
You attached to the oil pan which would warm the oil. It would also warm most of the upper engine too.
Yes, they did. worked well.
You re so composed ! 👍👍👍
Gotta Love modern technology and the good old cold
hi ive had some webasto in trucks etc before. if battery is low on juice the webasto will shut off, so you can start the engine. and i will had moved the fuel line from the exhaust outlet, and away from plastic etc it will be hot.. best regards from cold Norway
Belarus will start 😅we had a Zetor build in Tsjechië-slowakai (soviet-union time) it was our feeding tractor,always started in winter,no problem what so ever 💪🏼👌🏼
Mike. Agco have also tractors witch start on cold. My tractor starts -30c without heating. Valtra T214D
Greetings from Eastern Finland
I'm in Saskatchewan right now definitely wasn't any warmer yesterday for today lol pickup been running since Sunday when left Wisconsin up in sundre Alberta wasn't good yesterday either
Get a 90s era case with the older Cummins a little either and those things always fire up. Colorado cold -30 it will start.
Wow that is funny, our jd 7930 is our best starting tractor on our farm too! Just started this morning at -2° F not plugged in!
I feel your pain as most stuff will not start at minus 35 or colder. The only tractor that will is my dad's old 1950 John deere AR. I plug in the inline block heater for a couple of hours and that old girl just needs to turn over 2 or 3 times and a way she goes. Only tractor that can move snow in this weather lol
Hey Mike, Happy New Year to you and your family, and thanks for making great informative videos. If you need a great tractor, reliable in all kinds of weather you should try a VALTRA. Great quality, build for the cold. All the best for a great year.
Not the newer valtras anymore. The agco 7.4 liter is just as bad in the cold. We have that engine in our 875 komatsu and when it becomes -0c the webasto is a necessity. Older sisu engines in valtras we're incredibly good at starting cold but the new agco powered valtras are the same crap as every other modern tractor with adblue
@6:10 Sounds like a starting Jet APU, just not as noisy... :)
The dedication to his viewers to go through all this in the cold and still record is admirable.
connect a smart charger as a ctek on the engine heater 120v connector. so it charges the battery a little at a time. have it on the tractor at home it does good. in sweden
I honestly liked it more when you were still calling it „webasco“ 😂 😂
Me too! 😆😆
@@mikemitchell2554 u can take off the def system my nabours took theres off
Low viscosity hydraulic oil and a heater in the hyd res/transaxle when starting below -10F. Plug in block heater and oil heater. I’m guessing if you read the ops manual they possibly have recommendations for running at your ambients. Oil viscosity changes will go along ways to helping you out. If you’ve already done that, god bless.
My first gen 716 I honestly can’t complain starts with just a block heater plugged in 24/7 at negative 25 Celsius but I agree negative temp suck everything takes way longer
Hi Mike when I lived up in the northwest territories we would take an old parachute cover the trucks tractors cats whatever needed to be worked on take a torch with the Pham and it took about an hour and the vehicle would be in a 70° area so you could work on it without coats on you might wanna try that a parachute will cost you between 150 and $300 depending on what size you go with the torch I saw you had one in your shop so you already have that
That 12.4 MANN engine is a great starter. It the same base engine as the international Maxxforce 13, N13, and A26. I work for an international dealer. Those engines will start in almost any weather. Compared to the cummins ISX15/X15. It always surprises me how well that 12.4L engine starts
That’s interesting about the ISX b/c the ISB6.7 in my dodge (2011) starts fine down to 0F w/o waiting on the grid heater. Grumps a bit, if your wait for the grid heater it lights right off even down to -20F or so (or well, mine does). Big problem on the dodge is the in tank lift pump is weak/iffy when new. Mine went and replaced it with a bolt on one (FASS in my case) -solved my cold weather power issues.
Ran into your exact situation. Remove the battery, charge it in a warm place, then bring it back out and try it again. You’d be surprised if you took a tester to it after charging the battery in a cold setting it will test weak. I had a brand new battery in my Puma 185, and it was below -30 when it went dead. The voltage on the tractor may read over 13 V when you try to boost it, but it will hardly turn over. Solution: warm battery that’s charged.
Safe travels up North Mike
There must be a way around this. Surely someone in Canada has invented an electric blanket type thing you could wrap the engine compartment in, which would use hot air to warm up the entire front end of the tractor?
Electric engine blankets are a thing.
Log skidder owners know what it takes
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Our forestry machines have mercedes engines and I've started them down to 15-20 below fahrenheit. I try not to because it's hard on them, but yes, there are fuel efficient diesels that start well in cold weather. Webastos are thermostatically controlled, and for that reason it's important on a new install to make sure there are no air bubbles in the system. And yes, they have a low voltage cutoff. They can also be picky with cold diesel. Best case scenario is to run a separate fuel tank and use kerosene. Also, go ahead and run them in the summer a couple times just to keep them cleaned out and lubricated.
I know some cattle guys that take an insulated tarp and throw it over the engine area and run a diesel fired forced air heater inside the tarp. Tractor fires up after 10 mins.
It’s not ideal but works in a pinch. Peavey mart sells the heaters for like $300.
Oh that definitely works like a hot dam, everything gets warm. As long as the tractor doesn’t “fire up” literally if you catch my drift. It takes a lot of monitoring and you better have a fire extinguisher on hand.
I remember our Cockshutt starting and running in -30 -40 Saskatchewan - always in sheds, always with a recirculating block heater running for 4-5 hours.... I agree with Matt Manning before - a tarp and small heater would have helped...and battery wraps.
I have a burner similar to that on my car and its said that if you use the heater you need to let the engine run for at least the same amount of time to get the battery recharged. They are really nice but they are hard on the battery and if you use to much and just drive short distances you will end up with a car that wont start. And yes I have tried it so I know all about it!
damn. Here I thought only our Allis Chalmers were cold-blooded. Plug em in when it gets down into the 30s and save yourself a whole lotta headaches n hassles.
Anytime you're dealing with a dead battery or week battery issue always make sure everything is turned off in the cab expecially the blower motor for the air conditioner and heater
We run a 2014 6210r, or a 2012 6430, both of them don't have def, I really can't complain with cold starting, just plug em in, and they are good to go
Webasto has air pocket in coolant or valves on the coolant lines are shut off. Thats usually the problem if it starts up but wont keep running and it isnt low volts kicking it out.
Webasto coolant heaters cut out if the voltage drops below 11v, that could be why that keeps cutting out. It would also be draining the battery and removing the ability to crank the engine effectively too.
If you leave the battery charger connected it should work (in theory of course).
Vell he did that, you didn't watch all of it right?😆👍
All dending on what you set the lvd at when it cuts out to save battery
We installed an engine oil heater that attached to the oil pan on to get the oil warmed up so things aren't stiff.
i deleted def on my fendt best thing i ever did ! , i was a john deere man until i tried fendt wouldn't want to go back now
You are a smart man.
I think that the only solution could possibly work is modification I've seen many years ago. Modification I'm talking about is heater installed right in oil sump. In order to protect already struggling batteries this heater must be powered up from your mains. Interestingly, combination of webasto and oil sump heaters are used in good old T-72 tank. One other thing I'd like to point out which is I'd suggest great care when trying start the engine with flat batteries as some of electronic modules don't like low voltage. In some cases this can even cause damage to certain electronic components.
fend is the best tractor ever, and -47 degrees is not a normal temperature, at such a temperature the tractor must be in the garage, this is usually done, so I'm not surprised that you can't start it
I have seen on semi if the water has air pockets they will shut off because they over heat
On the farmer side you really have had a hard year, but hold on to the joy of Chaple's birth and keep on keeping on.
It comes down to any new engine with emission control. Piston clearance is so tight to control blowby. In low temps cyl. walls are seizing to the piston. Bearings & so forth.
Mike doesn’t understand metallurgy stuff. I don’t believe him when he says that he doesn’t abuse machinery. Just tell him cold is bad and warm is good.
I used to drive a sterling dumpster truck with a c7 cat, it was a miserable bastard trying to start when it got cold. Had other trucks with c15 and didn't plug them and they would fire right up, just the curse of the in-between motors.
I can’t even imagine these type of temps. I’m in the south and it’s 28F this morning and that’s freezing cold to us. I couldn’t imagine being in negative temps like y’all deal with 🥶🥶🥶☀️😮
To be honest, you just get used it.. And when it does warm back up to say 28F, you would be in a t - shirt and it would feel like Maui 😉
@@mikemitchell2554 probably so, but I think I would’ve had to been born there. I wouldn’t be able to walk I’d be so bundled up 🤣. Take care bro
Mean while in Australia I burnt my hand picking tools off the floor after not starting the tractor all day and not having the a/c running in the cab when I fire up a machine I dont bother letting the engine warm up, the coolant temp is usually already at 30+c* 86f
Before I even start it, just start up and go, reach operating temp in about 5mins amd watch for over heating all day
the def rots the electric cables, we already had on our merlo, just a piece of cables. it would be nice for you to park the fendt under cover during the winter cold and buy the old john deere for cold work.