7 Most CONTROVERSIAL CUTTING Techniques in Carpentry + Woodworking! (Safe or Not Safe?!)
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7 Most CONTROVERSIAL CUTTING Techniques in Carpentry + Woodworking! (Safe or Not Safe?!)
There are often a lot of differences between what gets taught about power tool usage on UA-cam channels...and what actually gets practiced out in the construction field.
This video from The Honest Carpenter explains seven of the most controversial cutting techniques in carpentry and woodworking--things that some pros do, but many DIYers are told not to do.
The various cutting techniques for circular saw, miter saw, and table saw are examined for exactly what makes them dangerous, and also what also makes them safe at times, or solves some other problem.
REMEMBER: You should follow manufacturer guidelines and typical safety procedures every time you use your power tools. This is just an informational video. ANY WORK YOU TAKE ON IS AT YOUR OWN RISK. WE DO NOT ASSUME ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR SAFETY.
Thank you!
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You are not a carpenter until you have completed a journeyman course and worked in the field for at least 8 years. I started in 1968 and retired in 2010; worked residential and commercial as a journeyman union carpenter. The only accident I had was a strained back. I love to listen to these so-called honest carpenters that sound like junior high shop teachers with little or no actual field experience.
Boss, I get you. But I started working construction at the age of 13 way back in 1995. We didn’t have apprenticeships in NC back then, and still don’t. I’m sure you’re highly experienced, but you’re not the only one in the world who knows how to use a circular saw. Being salty and mad on the internet doesn’t really help anybody-it’s just something you do to make yourself feel superior. 😂 Construction needs less of that, I assure you.
@TheHonestCarpenter Boy, you are truly full of yourself. Do you mean to tell me anyone in North Carolina can just call them selves a carpenter. If you consider my comment, salty or angry, you definitely don't have any real time in the field as a tradesman of any kind.❗️👎
@@TheHonestCarpenter Townie has a point, you're saying that you have all this experience and trying to teach these newbies this stuff, but you really are lacking the most important lessons, not being stupid about it, and having respect for the process. You're trying to teach someone to drive a car without imparting that that car can kill, maim, or destroy. That is not only dishonest, but inherently irresponsible. There are many practices that anyone can shoot a vid about and say "This will kill you if you do!!!", but is commonplace in the trades. Why is it commonplace? Because when you teach someone how to operate those machines you explain all of it, not just go for the thirst traps. And you also chose to insult Townie, yes he insulted you first, but he had a valid point. And before you think I'm attacking you, I like a lot of your videos, I disliked this one for obvious reasons, and I dislike all of the other doom-saying thirst trapping half thought out "instructional" videos out there.
You all three sound like 10 years old in school yard & jeez enough already & to each his or her own WOW argue to make a point and good luck
@@kennywoods7232 that a power tool like a saw can hurt you is pretty obvious and doesn’t need to be belabored. I don’t think this video was intended for master carpenters with 40 yrs of experience. It’s an interesting vid for people like me who occasionally pick up some tools to do a project. There’s an old saying that “an amateur breaks the rules and doesn’t know it (dangerous). A professional may knowingly break a rule, but understands the risk and make adjustments.” You guys need to relax a little.
Testimony: 34 years ago when I was 21, I took the guard off my 10" Miter saw to cut 4 1/4" baseboard. The saw was on the floor, & once when I got up after a cut, my hand swung into the blade as the brake just engaged. Cut between my right thumb & wrist, cut the radial nerve & hit the bone. 22 stitches to close it up. I was lucky, lost no permanent function. I put the guard back on.
Thanks for sharing! Glad it didn’t do any permanent damage chap! 😮
Thank you
A very experienced and otherwise intelligent carpenter I worked with also lost a couple of fingers to a mitre saw whose blade guard had been removed. Most of us are prone to rushing and an accident only takes the slightest instant of distraction.
More reasons not to work on the floor. My father does that crap readily. (Not the blade gaurd but floor cutting)
It's horrible for workflow.
Was your saw not a sliding compound? Our bosch 12" slices any molding I've thrown @ it and the gaurd is never an issue.
@brandonhoffman4712 It was 34 years ago, I'm pretty sure there were no sliding compound miter saws. If there was, I couldn't afford one. I'm 55 now and have refined my work habits.
As a 20+ yr wood hobbyist and a 45 yr professional commercial electrical foreman, I applaud your safety focus.
I've seen people injured on jobsites and it's life-altering. I'm happy to say that none of my men ever left the job in an ambulance because I was such an anal S.O.B. about it. Especially because people tend to think that they know how it's gonna go, but don't consider what could possibly happen.
The parallel is the same. You don't know what you don't know.
If you're a hobbyist, and especially new at it, then you don't know. Time is not an issue for you. Keeping your limbs and digits should be.
Be safe out there, gentlemen. Most of us work alone. There might not be anyone to hear your cries over the tool noise. 😮
Well put, Rick! 🙏
So true! The one or two times I’ve been tempted to try a risky cut, all I have to do is remind myself that I live way out in the country and work by myself at least 80% of the time!
Edit: autocorrect mistake🙄
Omg. This sounds really scary.
Way to go, making me feel like a jerk now!
I was originally going to edit my comment to say "ladies and gentlemen", but then I thought "nah, it'll be alright". I see more and more gals are getting into this hobby as is obvious by the replies.
My apologies 😕
@@wilburrrrr742 ha! I didn’t take offense at all! I’m not that girl! 😁
I have to tell you what I like about your channel. It is related to my favorite saying. It goes, the smart man learns from his own mistakes, the wise man learns from others mistakes, and the fool learns from nobody’s mistakes. We are able to get wisdom from your mistakes or actually from your wisdom in seeing other peoples mistakes. By watching your channel, we can avoid a lot of grief and learn how to do things in the correct safe way. Thank you.😊
That’s a great saying Joel! Thank you! 😄
I’m a retired orthopedic surgeon who also taught high school shop including wood shop prior to starting medical school.
They are basically , in many ways, the same job.
A very important technique which is never discussed but is a potentially deadly error .
I learned this while exiting the Emergency door while leaving the hospital one morning.
I encountered a man entering the ER who had just managed to drive himself to the ER after having a table saw accident.
I shall attempt to reconstruct the accident in words as I can’t draw pictures.
He had a 5 foot length approximately 1 foot wide board with one straight edge.
The other edge was angle along the entire length of the board edge opposite the straight edge.
He wanted to cut the board so as to have a resultant board with two parallel straight edges but retains the maximum remains width of the board.
He measured this width setting by conveniently laying the narrowest width of the tapered board by adjusting the fence with the straight edge of the board against the fence and moving the fence until just the narrowest point of the board just fit adjacent to the innermost side of the saw blade.
The mistake was that he flipped the board end over end so as to get a square starting entrance into the wider end of the board.
As he cut, the end of the waste side of the board became narrower and narrower until it had a knifelike or, in this case , spear like edge pointing straight back at him.
He had no guard except for riving knife and as the heavier end of the waste piece was now over the unsupported out feed side of the table the waste stock caught over the top of the blade driving it into his neck.
I later learned , from the vascular surgeon who took him to surgery , that it had miraculously lodged in between the carotid artery and vein without actually severing either of them.
The patient supported the length of the piece with his left hand as he somehow got into his own vehicle and drove him into the hospital.
That is where I encountered him and learned the story after I asked him how he got this “splinter” 😏?
I escorted him into the ER and got a diagonal pliers from maintenance and trimmed it to a more manageable 4 inches. That’s when I could see it pulsating with every beat of his heart . I stayed with him until the vascular surgeon arrived.
The lesson I would hope you would convey in a future video is that when cutting a tapered board to have two parallel edges , THAT THE NARROW END OF THE BOARD ENTER THE SAW BLADE FIRST THEREBY ALLOWING THE OPERATOR TO GET STRUCK WITH THE MORE BLUNT END OF THE WASTE STOCK SHOULD IT LAUNCH REARWARD TOWARD THE OPERATOR !
Note that if starting with the wider width first as the waste stock narrows, even with anti kick back dogs in place, the sliver may be too thin for the dog teeth to grasp the spear. It may just enter your abdomen instead of your neck.
Again please spread this advice as I gave adhered to this lesson for forty years.
EXCELLENT DESCRIPTION! I can almost 'see' it. Scary.
There's another reason for cutting in this orientation, and that's to hold the waste piece as firmly as possible until the cut is completed. This results in a more controlled cut and less chance of kickback.
The table saw is the scariest saw I've got. I got it used, and the guard was already missing. Thankfully, I'm paranoid with safety and PPE, and I never stop paying attention while using it, and I have rules I never break with it, such as leaning over it, even a little bit, unless it's not running.
The other kind if scary one is the sawzall. What I don't like is that my forward hand can't wrap my fingers all the way around, and it is always on my mind that I'm going to lose my grip, which might be why I haven't yet *knocks on wood*.
The circular saw is dangerous too, but at least I can get a solid grip on it. I would never use my foot to lift a board to do a cut, because I can always use something else to hold up the board for me.
Or…just don’t ever hang out in the firing line behind the offcut. I don’t want to get hit with EITHER the sharp end or the blunt end of that spear kicking back at 120 miles an hour. Instead of planning which end of the offcut you want to be impaled on, it might be better, easier, and wiser to tell folks to never stand there in the first place, just like you don’t look down the barrel of a loaded gun or put your head in a crocodile’s mouth. You don’t have to be a brain surgeon to figure that out. I would be surprised if the lesson that man came away from that accident with was to make sure he got hit with the dull end of the kick-back stick next time! How about don’t get hit at all?
Good job describing and thank God for that shot placement! I'll remember this. Thank you.
Ethan, you are one of VERY FEW content makers that actually give safety talks and mean it!! THANK YOU!!!
For as long as I can remember my Dad had a Sears table saw, old school: heavy steel body, belt driven with external motor. I never saw a blade guard on it….so as a kid, I figured that was normal. As an adult I bought my own table saw and thought blade guards were a “more recent” safety feature. Fast forward many years and after Dad passed, my brother and I were going through all of his tools and, at the very back of a drawer of this
huge tool chest (he built it) was the blade guard to his saw! Apparently never used. That’s my Dad. BTW he died at a ripe old age with all his fingers. That saw was a keeper; my brother has it….and the blade guard😀
Keep em coming!
My first thought with power tools in general is "is this a good idea?" I have great respect for any power tool, saws especially because i almost cut off my thumb when I was a kid "helping" my dad. It was decades ago and it was a hand saw but I still vividly remember the pain, the steel scratching my bone, the blood, the tears... Trust me... You do not want to know. I'm 49 and to this day, when I prep to make a cut, the first thing I do is look to make sure my right thumb is safe because i almost cut it off. Play it safe kids... Don't "play" with saws. They're not toys. They're made to remove things and it will hurt really bad and you will regret it for the rest of your life. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
While working on a bridge construction crew about 40 years ago a young laborer (new hire) tried to do a “knee cut”on a 2x4. He cut his thigh pretty badly when the worm drive saw he was using kicked back. He had previously seen older workers doing knee cuts (I never did). I wound up driving him to the hospital, which was about 30 miles away, quite a few stitches and multiple layers. There was not a lot of emphasis put on job site safety back then, and not just in the carpentry end of construction. I now credit my several years of construction work as a major contributor to my poor hearing now.
This is one thing I do preach to younger carpenters all the time. Don't let old timers try to shame you into being deaf or blind...put on your glasses and your ear plugs.
But don't ask me where the harness is because ain't nobody got time for that or even knows how to put it on. Welcome to hard dollar in Texas baby!
@@jerrellbevers6071I want to yell at these guys who won't use eye and ear protection!
Starting out as a remodeler in the mid '70s, and for it least a decade beyond, I didn't use ear protection. Now I deal with a significant amount of ear ringing. Tinnitus! It's no fun.
I tell the young guys if they want to be able to hear the laughter of their children, and then grandchildren, to wear those earplugs! I keep fresh ones on hand at all times.
I've used the "knee cut" on a few occasions. Afterwards I realize how incredibly stupid it was! I know I used up my odds of going uninjured after getting through it.
@@jerrellbevers6071 Harness? Oh yeah, that’s probably in the tool trailer with the board stretcher…. 😁
@@markgarland9000 Yelling won't do any good. They won't hear you anyway.
Top safety tips. Thanks for taking the time to share them with the community. I'd say the most important tip to staying in one piece when using power tools has to be taking your time and not rushing. Of course, you make the point that when we are working on site, and up against it, there is always a tendency to take short cuts. That might be an option for experienced professionals, but not for the hobby woodworker, who - often as not - will be working alone in a garage workshop.
The foot support, for me anyway, seemed the most ill advised, although none of the dodgy practices mentioned seem at all necessary.
Also, it goes without saying, but when do we cut the miter/notch/etc etc on the wrong side? When we rush.
90% of my mistakes? Late in the day. Trying to finish something off before I quit.
Thank you thank you thank you!
I am a beginner, working on very small jobs around the house and you have given me the confidence to tackle some basic jobs.
Today I patched a hole in the floor by cutting a board with a low end circular saw that I measured from the blade and guided with a level, measuring with a speed square, and using a drill block to keep my pilot holes straight. There are many more projects around the home that require more skill. I purchased a kreg 520 pro pocket hole jig to get started. This house needs a whole lot of work, thank you for the inspiration and skill sharing!
I’ve been a carpenter since 1976. I’m retired now. I still have all my fingers and toes. I’ve never had an accident with a power tool. I’ve done all those things while working. If you use the opposite foot than the hand you’re holding the saw with there in no problem with using your foot to hold a board off the floor. That stance is stable and you’re not standing in a awkward position. Your foot is also much further from the blade. I’ve done it with 1x4 up to large pieces of plywood.
Well done. I agree that ignoring the topics or saying, "just never do it" us unhelpful. Real discussion is important.
Earning my OSHA 30 card was one of the best things that could have happened to me, even at 49 years old. Our class sat for an entire semester, learning about all the ways you can die, and all the ways your life can change doing tradeswork--no matter how old you are or how much experience you have. Most folks were bored, but that class changed the way I look at everything. I already knew this life is precious, but it really drove home just how much.
By the way, I'm a North Carolinian, too. If they'd had apprenticeships here, I might have gotten into the field long ago. As it is, you chance learning from people who believe that these techniques are safe. I would have liked to have gotten into this work, but I also feel as if I dodged a bullet.
Thanks for the excellent content!
I’ve been doing this long enough that I was taught how to do a “boot cut” in trade school, I still do them. That being said I think you make a lot of good points here for folks new to this. Taking responsibility for your actions, thinking things through all the way, every day, not blaming things because you took a risk or were not paying attention and lost a couple fingers goes a long way. There is a lot of idiot proofing out there that I personally skip, and if it goes wrong I’ll own it like everything else. I also see a lot of straight up Darwin Award stuff as well. Some tradesmen are riding one long wave of good luck and they mistake it for skill.
A Community College instructor for carpentry/forestry showed us his medical slides of his cut foot (from the early 80's) after doing the "Boot Cut." Steel Toes is only thing that saved his toes/foot as the blade lodged into the steel. His other lesson from that slide was to never use a dull/damaged blade (which is why the blade seized and he then "muscled" it into his foot and not the wood). He's probably retired by now but he definitely saw a lot, like you.
i'm still really new to woodworking and power tools. but i have a huge respect for that power as well. I've been going with the mindset of being intentional and not forcing something if it isn't going through. I really appreciate the tips and techniques in how to safely use these tools, esp when injury can happen so quickly and suddenly.
Battery tools better , no cords , stops quicker , ,has torque, does the job , little quieter not as dangerous but still need use right skills , , , get brushes, for commercial use , I still prefer to use hand tools , still can cut just be smart 😊
Another good video Ethan. Doing a lot of my work alone, I have used some of these but not others. Knowing I am alone, I tend to review the safety in my head & take my time. I never use my foot or leg as a stand or prop-up for cutting any lumber. I have tried flip cutting but only on a flimsy piece of panel because it flexed so much even with a support stand.
I was on a job site where a guy had his blade guard blocked open. He was making a cut up on the roof holding a 2x4 in his hand and bracing against his leg. im not sure if he wasnt paying attention but the saw ran through and hit the front of his leg at the ankle cutting almost the depth of the blade. Not only that but with the force he was using to push through the wood he hit his leg again before he could react. The second hit got through his bone and his foot was barely attached by a small piece of skin. Not only was he badly injured but now he also had to be rescued from the roof. His life changed forever that day. Im 55 now and ive seen three other very serious life altering accidents at work and probably hundreds of "pretty bad" ones. It only takes that one time and theres no going back, no oops, and no do overs... please take safety seriously. When you take risks you put the people you love and who need and depend on you to be whole at risk too. Not to mention even just the pretty bad ones end up with hospital and doctors and follow ups and medications. Often a surgery or two or more. Out of work for days weeks months.. Physical therapy, appointments, care and assistance from your loved ones family or friends. Even if the docs can fix you up like new its not worth it.
😢😢😮😮😮😮 omg. 😱 the few seconds saved is not worth it.
Thank you, Ethan. That is an excellent discussion. I've seen some of these techniques, and might come up with the ones I haven't seen. Now I understand the safety tradeoffs of each and won't try them blindly.
As I get older, man those safety tips become far more critical to my survival :) Very important tips Nate.
Recently I got into making wooden spoons from scrap. The scary parts are using a router table to round the handle and using a flush-trim bit to create multiple copies. Spoons are not large objects and tackling it, even with 20 years+ of experience on a router - I'm still extremely cautious because it just takes one careless move with your fingers and then its' fingers - 1.
Dave...
*Ethan
i returned a small router i bought because it was a death trap you could just easily stick finger on spinning tool while holding it in one hand no guard to cover sides of cutting tool
@@ranger178 IMHO, routers in general are the most dangerous tools a woodworker can use. Granted, grinders are extremely dangerous but I rarely use one. Routers, I can't make any furniture without that terrifying tool.
grinders I use a lot with cut off wheels and wire brushes and such i don't use the crazy chainsaw attachment on them I can bump grinder disks and just get a small abrasion.
but routers will just chop away anything that touches them before you can't react fast enough my brother was doing a pantograph letters and numbers with one and somebody distracted him, and he sliced a grove right across his finger through everything.@@JackKirbyFan
As a complete amateur, I found this very informative and hopefully, I'll be more critical of some of the things I see done on UA-cam. Thank you.
Great Video. It does not matter your skill level/experience. Refreshing/learning some safety is never a bad idea. Great instructions for beginner DIYers.
I have done a lot of Flip Rips because I don't have the room in my small, crowded shop. When doing the rip, I take it past the halfway point. And when I stop, before flipping my work over to complete the cut. I always shut the saw OFF.
I always use push sticks on my Cabinet Saw. And I always try to stand slightly to the side when pushing work through the blade. I don't use my hands to push the work through the blade ever. If I am using full 4' X 8' sheets and cutting them down to a working size for projects. I always use my Worm Saw to cut the sheets down to size before using the Cabinet Saw for the finish steps of my work. It's easier to do the work making the final cuts on the project wood and it's a lot safer.
Oh my, I have seen so many use their foot to cut two by fours or bigger construction lumber. Just making a cut like that, I use one of my work tables. I have 4 Black and Decker tables that I can clamp the wood piece in place. There is no substitute for safety.
These safety videos are so valuable. Love them.
Thanks for having the guts to create and post this video. Crucial information. 👍🇺🇸
Thank you for a great video. I am fairly "green" with table saws but, I have seen the instant damage they can do when bad judgement comes into play.
Great video. Good explanations of things that i shouldn’t do but sometimes do. Now that I’m older I don’t try them anymore. Thanks Ethan
In big commercial projects all of these (or most) of these methods are the norm.
Eg if I was the cut man on a reshoring crew and I was pulling my speed square on every 4x4 or 4x6 post I’d be slowing down the whole operation: Flipping the post while keeping the saw stable is the way to go. Would I recommend that to a DYIer? Nope.
It’s all about ur experience level. I have made literally thousands of these cuts as part of my job. Nothing special just time on task.
Being a pro vs a DYIer is different.
U see gymnasts doing a complicated routine, u don’t go yeah I can do that. But for some reason ppl think they can do what the pros do with no consequences and without putting the time in.
Thanks for the vid 🙏
I'm building a new house, and the framers were just scary with the things they do. I've seen cutting using feet and knees to support the board. Watching them hold a board with one hand and cut with the other while balancing themselves on rafters was quite a trick as well. Nice guys, and they seemed very skilled, but they were difficult to watch as a retired quality and safety guy.
I see that and cringe...yeah, they may not be operating safely, but they're almost certainly not getting an accurate cut, either.
Always cut on foot
Yeah that's the thing about safety practices right...they never really matter a lot of the time, especially if you have some practice under your belt. Until suddenly they do.
Great video. I learned a few things that I guess I should have known before. I have remodeled homes for decades. Framing is a very small percentage of the work I do. I really like the table saw gravity technique. Looking forward to trying it out sometime. Ha ha.
I can't imagine not flip ripping.
I'm older now and seldom cut off the foot method. Aluminum benches are pretty cheep now and scatter my project sites. However, when I used to do it I used the far foot (for a righty, the left) to hold the board, for better balance stability and distance from the cut. Importantly I would put a tilt on the board which is easy to do with your leg and foot. This allows the the saw to more easily glide down the cut. I have felt this gravity method makes it much easier to control the heavy saw even compared to cutting from a bench.
I am impressed with your you tube and wish I had your knowledge presentation skills. Thank you.
It's nice to see that I wasn't the only greenhorn on the job site that thought the older guys were a bit nuts for doing the "boot cut" and several other techiniques shown on this video. That being said, I learned how to do the "boot cut" and all the others because most of the time (read 100% of the time) we didn't have a cushy garage/workshop to work from. I do think that it's great that these videos do bring up a firestorm of comments from the old hands on down. IMHO, if you aren't thinking of how to do every cut safely to the best of your ability you're not being a good carpenter as your quality of work only increases with that thought process.
Thanks from Germany. Your tips are internationally controversal but even more appreciated.
Thanks again for making your channel ..... it's been a HUGE delight and educational being subbed all these years
Thank you for the good safety tips. I have violated a few, but not many ( & don't want to try the others). Usually, the safer methods provide a better product at the end of the day.
Something that isn’t mentioned many times is when cutting lumber be careful of the piece breaking of while cutting,very important to check for cracks in the wood,I’ve seen projectiles flying off the table saw when cutting as the wood breaks and the part left between the blade and fence becomes a bullet
I love you for posting this instead of telling everybody never do it you just give an explanation of how it can go wrong. I have one rule never run the saw. So I do have to get something done so I'm going to break the rule a little bit but never run the saw one time is okay if you were going to run a saw set it all the way up and take it all the way down. If there's anything questionable you're about to do don't do it. If you have to do something questionable for productivity stay right on top of it understand the forces involved. Do it if you have to but find the safest way you can.
Thanks for the great video. You convinced me that I really need to replace my old slider miter saw (yay!!). Of its many defects, is the need to disable the blade guard when doing bevel cuts, particularly on baseboards. The blade guard works fine with straight or miter cuts, but tilt it over to do bevel cuts and the blade guard just binds and causes bad cuts. So, I have always waited for the blade to stop before raising the blade to hopefully help with safety, AND to stop the blade from wandering on the way up out of the cut. Thanks again.
Thanks for the very informative video. Its really helping beginners like me. I see loads if “Don’t come to teach me” comments but I can assure you that you are doing an excellent job. Keep it up buddy.
As a carpenter back in the '80's who was often the one called on to cut stair stringers and rafters i had the "OSHA disproved" mod of a setscrew in my blade shroud that i could hook the guard lever over to hold it open.
Of course back then i also had a Makita 5007 NBA (W/ electric brake and gold shroud) so it would stop right away instead of coasting to a stop.
Great through-provoking video. I think it comes down to what you want from your cuts: speed, accuracy, and safety. And the riskier cuts simply MUST get more of your attention on safety, even if you're experienced doing it.
Then sometimes the extra care and strain of that long unsupported ripcut isn't worth it....and it's better to devise an outfeed solution.
Yes to "outfeed solution".
Thanks for the content, solid as always. I've seen professional finish carpenters on here use circ / miter saws for tasks best served by a jigsaw and scratched my head... like I know they're not starved for tools and what they did was super-sketchy... be smart people!
Sometimes you see people on YT and you know they've never done it for a living.
Nicely done! No BS here, just factual, real-world stuff.
I'm definitely a beginner..I actually wasn't aware that back cutting on long pieces was considered a no no. I honestly did this method because I noticed with the long pieces..the far end would tend to stray away from the fence no matter the technique I used..even with feather board. After about 3 feet or so I would walk around to side of table saw and grab board on fence side of blade and pull it toward fence and pull it through. I'm not sure if this is backpulling or side pulling. I'm honestly not sure a better way to keep long piece tight against fence
Always ask yourself where your fingers are before the cut so you don't have to ask where they are after the cut.
I think flip ripping is the only one I've done when it was long rips so i could end my cut halfway. As long as you are very certain you have good fence alignment, i prefer it to a single pass because my hands are ultimately further from the blade.
With the table saw i always try to stablize my hand on something like the outside edge of the table or sticking my thumb in the miter slot so i don't make reckless movements in the blade path.
Thanks for showing that post rolling thing...That's a good idea.
One thing to mention about older tablesaws like mine. It has a blade guard and splitter but no riving knife. Simply have to remove it for non through cuts. Shark Guard does make an aftermarket splitter but there is no way of adding a riving knife that moves with the blade.
I have a technique for cutting posts that makes roll cutting look safe and sound. I clam the post on waist hight, pull the blade guard up then plunge cut front facing side, follow to top side and then the tricky part, follow to the far side while standing atop the post and reaching around. It's so brilliant that I can't put it to words.
Excellent video. Very informative. Something else you might consider doing in the future is rotary impact very hammer drill. Not the one that you use for putting screws. The two types that can drill into masonry.
Thank you for posting this video. I think it is important to explain what might go wrong. I'm sure there are plenty of people who did the boot cut, not realizing that their shoe laces might get caught. Even if they continue boot cutting, at least now they will check their laces.
Just telling people not to do something won't work. Explaining why might change minds.
Table saw blade guard: Microjig Gripper. Great explanations of those problematic cutting methods.
I usually do flip ripping as I find it actually safer. Especially on longer pieces for stability and narrow rips where I wouldn’t want to use even a push stick between the fence. It also allows twice as long cuts.
I turn the saw off while flipping the board.
He is the best. You always learn from his videos. Thanks buddy.
I really appreciate these kinds of videos. Knowledge is king.
Don’t EVER make a cut on a table saw without using the fence or the miter gauge! I’ve seen guys try to rip a 10” wide strip from a full sheet of plywood _freehand_ because the table is too narrow to handle the width of the sheet. All kinds of chaos can happen in this scenario - just don’t do it!!
I saw a guy with a circular saw try to balance a sheet of plywood on his knee so he could cut a corner off to make the ply fit the opening he was working on. Yep. He did it. Earned himself a really fast trip to the ER with a quickly-fashioned tourniquet above his knee. He just missed the bones and ligaments by millimeters.
I saw another guy standing at the top of a ladder running a circular saw *above his head* 😱😳 trying to cut the ends of a pergola off. He earned an intensely fast trip to the ER with a cop sitting across his midsection trying to hold his leg together and another cop jamming his fingers into the guy’s femoral artery, pressing it against the femur to slow the bleeding. He darn near lost his life that day, and then a week later he darn near lost his leg from the hip joint down because the wound became so infected from the sawdust and the gunk from the saw blade. That blade went clear in past the arbor, the blade still spinning, it slid just past the guy’s femur … he was still pulling the trigger when he fell off the ladder. A co-worker was walking past the drop cord and saw it jerking and moving around as the guy was falling off the ladder - he didn’t know what was going on but he grabbed the cord and yanked it out of the outlet that was 10’ feet away because he knew it wasn’t good. The guy wasn’t so lucky with keeping his job - the company owner took him off the payroll that day but didn’t tell him he was fired until everyone knew he was going to survive with his leg intact. It took him over a year to relearn how to walk.
You just can’t ever be too careful around power tools!
someone who uses a table saw to cut a 10" strip from a piece of plywood (fence or no fence) rather than using a handheld circular saw is making life harder for themselves and probably the kind of person prone to an accident. I make table saw cuts without the fence every single day I'm at work. It's the only way to make diagonal cuts. Totally normal and safe practice.
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Ok, the 10” slice was an example meant to gather attention as in “what not to do with a piece of power equipment”. As far as using a table saw in an unsafe manner, that’s your prerogative. However, I sure wouldn’t be telling anybody to use a table saw in the manner which you describe. That just sounds like a law suit coming your way. Just saying.
Be careful and enjoy your day!
I still have all my digits, but admit to doing any of the silly things you can think of at one time or another !
My favourite of these is the wired trigger upside down in the B&D workmate with a jammed open blade cover, circular saw trick. Essential for emergency rips !!
My favourite injury ? A friend of mine managed to drill his own kneecap !!
Really appreciate your discussion on tips that I heard about but thought only seasoned Pros really used. 👷🏿♂️
Thanks W! I know that newcomers are tempted by a lot of these…I like them to be informed 😄
Clear explanations, clear demonstrations. We subscribed.
Good presentation on exposing the risks. I share a technique that I have used that will really make you gasp. I have used my Makita circular saw to grind down tree stumps and with the blade guard not pinned just incase of a kickback.
Excellent instruction. I would just shake my head at anyone that challenged you. You’re doing your best to keep the DIY workers safe. I appreciate your time and enthusiasm.
Awesome. Thanks for the new tricks. I started in 1980, some of those are new to me.
Great video and explanation. Stay safe!
Thank you, Paul! 😄
lots of good ideas for me to try out on my next project !!! Of the 7 I have only ever done the table saw pull through. But my table saw does not have a clumsy guard nor riveing knife. My knife did not move with the blade. And I hate the awkwardness of cutting while bending over my foot or a small block.
Great advice as always. Thank you 🏥
Thanks for showing me these helpful tricks to make my tasks easier and quicker n
With flip ripping your hands may never come within a foot of the blade. I think that pretty much offsets all the issues you mention that others have raised. The bump in the middle often doesn't mater, and mostly just happens in situations where if you ran it through from one side you would have a wobble in the cut somewhere, it just isn't visible.
Thanks for all of the time saving tips!
If you don’t go to work you will never get hurt
Always a worthwhile video , any time safety is focus
Thanks for a great video. All words of good wisdom. Carry On Sir!
Have a 20 year old Ryobi portable table saw. I find the 2 things with the teeth that stop kick backs actually stop the piece from going thru sometimes.
Great video. I see so many on YT channels doing things that are absolutely absurd and I'm surprised they even have their hands still.
Thanks B! I try to only show safe methods on my channel, but just had to discuss some of these 🙂
I agree that the blade guard on a table saw is more trouble than it is worth. Too many jigs, sleds, dados etc. But you always have to be mindful to not to reach over a spinning blade to grab a cut piece. Best bet is use an outfield table or roller stand, push it all the way through with some type of push block shut the saw off then walk around the saw and grab the work. I also try to break down sheet goods with a circular saw and guide slightly oversized before final cutting on the table saw. Takes more time but the cuts are safer and in the end more accurate. The riving knife is another story. Unless you are not doing through cuts you need that thing in there almost all the time. Without it the saw can turn cut off pieces into wooden bullets. Finally don’t freehand and never use a miter gauge with your fence as a stop. The cutoff needs space to move away from the blade. That setup can jam the cutoff between the blade and fence and it also come flying back at you.
the lack of a guard on table saws terrify me - seen those stop sensors but in Europe we must have them I believe . I guess not confident enough as a DIYer with table saws - great vid and info
Thanks for your knowledge!!
Thanks for showing me a number of processes I would never have thought of to facilitate appendage removal! Loads of 'maybe's' and 'what if's'. The No one pair of rule I use when using ANY sharp tool whether manual or powered is 'keep your eye on the cutting point and don't carry on a conversation whilst doing so'!
Didn't he say to watch the FENCE, and not the cutting point?
Agree completely with the removal of tablesaw guard. Its also prone to damage during transport. Tbh most of the other tablesaw techniques are prone to damage the material. This is ok for rough work, like sheathing or backing, but a bad idea for finish work.
I find a jigsaw is a better idea if you gotta nip an inch due to mitre saw width limitations, but this could be personal preference.
Any time i see guys doing a cut on the foot, they always also seem to be the same ones who use a circular saw for everything, have never even seen a power plane and generally seem to take pride in their disdain of safety rules.
Great video as always
🤗 THANKS ETHAN …GREAT TIPS FOR SAFETY ..: of course, never being in too big of a hurry… I think it’s worth mentioning, especially if you lacking in skill or tired or distracted. 😅💚💚💚
Good point, Budget! Hurrying is probably the worst mistake pros make…and they do it all the time. I know I certainly did! 😅
Thanks for the 7 new cutting tips I can try!
Good points. Well explained. Excellent information.
I've used the tilt cut on both my RAS and miter saw for years. I never really considered it dangerous in the slightest. Never had an incident. Thanks though for pointing out its possible hazards.
I've also, on rare occasions, used the pull rip on my RAS. When I do so, I am very aware of the risks although , again, never had it go wrong. Would never do so with my hands within several feet of the blade. Workpiece could well get ripped out of my hand if it kicked back but I don't believe my hands are endangered.
Some of these, like cutting on my foot and roll cutting, were things i was taught decades ago as an apprentice. They're so ingrained at this point that i wonder if it might be less safe for me to try and remove them from my habits
Would you need to have a prop piece when roll cutting since the blade isn't long enough to reach the ground? Or does it just make it easier to roll?
Doing this stuff now for nearly 35 years. No saw injuries to date. Some comments,
When I started in construction, the framers removed the guards from the circular saws. I got in the habit of laying it on it's side. Still do today, even though the guard is present.
Don't believe in tablesaw guards. I believe it's safer if I can visibly see where the blade is in relation to my fingers. A guard hides that. The R-knife is still attached. My fence is adjusted so there's slightly more room, a 64th, on the fall off side of the blade. Never had a kickback.
I've cut lots of 16" super shelf on a 10" Dewalt. I have a custom stand that supports the entire piece. I lift up and make the front cut first, then set it down and finish the cut. No issues. I have seen people do it the other way with a normal non supporting saw stand. once they lift and finish the cut, the piece falls off and they try and catch it with their knee or other hand.
Thanks Again, Ethan!
Your shop is so neat! I wish I had something even half that nice. 👨🏭⚒👍
Word of advice for all you cutting on the foot guys mostly framers. 1st off if your cutting with the saw in your right you want your left foot under the board which would be further away from the blade and then your right foot and leg a 1' or so back for stability and keeps it further away from the blade also keeps the cord back, The exact opposite of what they're showing. Also use a worm drive type saw so you can see the blade cutting without having to lean your head over the top of the saw to see the cut line. Remember power tools with spinning blades have guards for a reason to keep you counting to 10 with both hands.
Great vid.
Thanks Ole! Worm drive can definitely help, especially for driving down on a tilted board. But I feel even more unsteady with left foot propping! With right foot (a good ways in), I can control the saws forward momentum better. Not that I use this method!! 😅
But, those worm drive saws are quite heavy and not as well balanced imo. I say stick with the spare board trick, preferably a 4x4.
Hey Ethan, would it be safe to stand to the side of a table saw and push things through that way? Of course I wouldn't get my hands near the blade and would only push toward the outfeed. I've tried it and it seems to work well and put me out of the direction of any potential kickback, but I'm wondering if I've never seen this done for a good reason.
Thanks, great vid as usual!
I'm not Ethan, but how much to the side are you talking about? I think you need to be behind the wood you are pushing through to minimize accidentally binding the wood between the blade and fence by not pushing it straight through. That being said, when I am cutting narrower pieces (1x4, 1x6, etc) I still stand on the side of the table saw that I am pushing the wood through, but just a half step to the left so I am not directly behind the wood I'm pushing through. Occasionally, a small rip of wood that you just finish cutting off can fall or be bumped back onto the blade and it shoots out toward you. I've seen shards of wood fly through the air and stick into the wall, that would hit you right in the stomach if you weren't just a little to the left.
You can cut small pieces as shown on the miter saw 1:49. You need to apply hard clamping force to the piece as you cut.
If you go much smaller though, it needs supported across the back.
On my job site saw, with a 2 foot folding outfeed table, I'll take flip ripping over back pulling most any day. Done it thousands of times. To me, seems vastly safer that trying to push a long board all the way thru from the front, and much more controllable than back pulling. I might be a little more hesitant with my 50 year old 2 hp Powermatic cabinet saw in my shop, but it has a much larger outfeed table, so only rarely any need to do so on that one.
When I was 16 years old, I became distracted while using a table saw. Fortunately, I had a good surgeon that was able to reattach the bouquet of fingers I carried into the ER and he did a good enough job that I make my living on a keyboard.
Be safe out there
Uggghh…I’m sorry to hear about that! 😪
@@TheHonestCarpenter It was 36 years ago... I'm over it.
Took a long time to not flinch when I heard that circular saw sound.
Some lessons in life have to be learned the hard way.
I back pull, seems safe. What I find is the main issue is that it seems easier to bind the blade and thus it is much harder on the table saw than when I have someone helping/holding the other side gently.
I think the key to any controversial technique is knowing When you use it and when you'd be better served, finding a better position?
Like with the foot cuts.If you can Fairly easily carry your piece, you should easily be able to find something to rest it on at table height to cut it off.Without hunching over
Basically, if you're using a controversial technique, there's a very specific reason why you picked it and you didn't just arbitrarily, decide to do it.
Thanks for the great warnings and whys Ethan! 😊😊
always good information ....thanks so much.....Paul in Florida
"don't boot cut" shows video of foot used to clamp board in roughly same position as foot used to hold board up. The nice thing about boot cutting is you're able to keep your foot about half a body stance away from the saw blade while cutting. This works well on a job site
Y'all missed a bunch: plunge cutting (hold the guard right back and rock the saw into the middle of the sheet to cut floor registers, window openings, etc); sheathing full sheets and trimming the excess in-situ (run the saw up the outside corner of a house or along a roof overhang to trim a full sheet to size); but my favourite is gang-ripping/cutting:
If you need multiples (studs), stack 'em up and chop them together; circ or mitre saw, works either way. Bonus points for staring with four and trimming down through the pile from a mark only on the top one, especially if done over your knee. Ripping furring strips goes the same way, stack a few sheets of ply and rip them all at once with a circ saw. Bonus points if you just rip them straight off the top of the fresh lift, the partially cut sheet a few layers down provides the guide to continue through the pile. Though if you're making furring strips and really want to up the game, you flip one of those little job-saws upside down and push that down the pile, you get two extra sheets per cut due to the bigger blade...
Yes, guys do in fact flip those baby table saws over and push them over a stack of material...
I know @ 8:24 is just an example but it does show how important the writhing knife is to safety since it can help prevent kickback
Thanks for teaching me Flip-ripping! 😀
When looking for a circular saw do I really need a 7.5" blade vs. a 4.5" bladed saw? I don't plan on cutting very thick boards so for my DIY projects would a small saw be better for me?
done them all, not the last one but good idea, will try!
I would never roll cut a post. I’ve done some timber framing so I have to do that type of cut with a 16” circular saw on an 8x8 post/beam. To get the best cut, you have to follow through with the cut motion until the saw clears the material, so I cut each side separately.
I always use a speed square fence with a circular saw.
I like using the chop/miter saw, it is the safest because the blade is going in a constrained up & down path, and the work material isn’t moving and is well controlled by the bar & fence.
If you have a big/awkward piece to cut use a circular saw. Always ask yourself if it is easier to bring the work to the saw, or the saw to the work.