Here's an idea for another nothing map, what if you had a map called "Idle Nothing." On this map you have to make sure your units are moving around or doing something at all times. If you don't, they will slowly take damage over time and even die if you ignore them for too long. That way, T90 can point and laugh as players accidentally let their vills perish by ignoring idles for too long.
that would be boring rather fast, people would just patrol or just watch their idles faster, unless the idles as the game goes on take more and more dmg. ? like the dmg increases
alternative idle nothing: units who are standing around doing nothing generate resources. Vills generate food, barracks/stable units generate gold, Archery range units generate wood, monks and castle units generate stone. moving, building or attacking means not generating resources.
@@16semiquavers Attempts to do Persian douche in AoE 1 with this. Enemy player sees : _All ruins have been captured! You will lose if they are held for 2000 years!_
What about a tourney where the rules or mechanics of how the scenario works is hidden? Players must figure it out how it works. Maybe every level of the bracket a new mechanic comes into effect or a whole new map. Like in one round you could make the vision of the TC only see forest. The players think they are in forest nothing. But once they explore a bit they see there is something beyond their forest. That would be cool as we see the meta develop on real-time. Challenge is coming up with all the new ideas.
"Welcome to Delete Nothing: a map with LITERALLY nothing but TC, 3 Vilagers, and a Scout" Me: Sees an HOUR AND A HALF of video left. "You have my curiosity, good sir"
Spanish Bombard Towers seem to be the clear answer. The main bottleneck is building stuff to delete so 30% build speed would be a powerful resource bonus. Bombard towers in the corner of the map has always been the optimum static defense. Normally you lose map control but here there's *nothing* to lose. If you're just racing to build/delete more then eventually you should have more resources.
I gotta think that you got to invest APM into lumber camps. Each lumber camp takes 35 seconds to make. Each gives 50 resources. In a minute each villager puts 60 seconds of building time into two houses (70 seconds of production required) that will produce 100 resources. So each villager can theoretically make 60/70*100 = 85 wood per minute. Even at 80% efficiency thats about 70 resources per minute. That is nuts. The average villager makes 20-30 resources per minute on other resources. Spending some times, especially in feudal with a market just microing wood production seems really strong. Go to food when the market prices make it worth it to go sheep or when you need to spend APM else where. Invest in a group of lumber camps you don't delete to be your reserve incase you need a burst or spend too much and cant build more lumber camps. Spanish 30% increase in build speed makes the lumber camp production a lot faster. Rushing feudal seems strong too, so maybe Britons for food off sheep? Or Khmer to skip the buildings? Or huns to keep more vils on food to skip houses?
Yeah, I thought Spanish as soon as I saw this. 30% increased build speed, that means that 35 seconds is reduced to 25 seconds. So that means that a villager can construct 2 lumber camps per minute roughly, so that means theoretically that they can make 120 wood per minute maximum, however that's disregarding the need to move around, so 110ish wood and roughly 9 stone per minute per villager then. So you could easily get a few 100 wood per second if you try hard enough.
Deleting the lumber camp should give you forest tiles instead. That would make it difficult to attack and raid, as a smart player might surround his base with forest, though, but I'm sure people could think of a way to minimize that.
If you look at the starting TC locations for each other players, after about 15 min in I had a pretty good idea who was favorite to win the whole match. Too much tension in middle of map. But there were enough ups and downs to definitely keep things interesting.
Someone should be making a "normal" map *WOLOLO* where: - Lumber camps functions as farms - Farms functions as mining camps/deposits - Mining camps functions as lumber camps - Barracks builds mounted units - Stables produce ranged units - Archery range produce infantry *WOLOLO* - Castles produce monks and can't shoot - Temples *WOLOLO* produce special units and can shoot - Siege workshop produce boats - Dockyards produce siege units - University gives military upgrades - Armory gives structure upgrades - Towers give pop cap but can't shoot - Houses don't give pop cap but can shoot Obviously it *WOLOLO* would be best if the function was changed, and not the skin, so the keybidings for each player will remain the same (and function for keybinding related building is changed). Even have pros play like this against each other! *WOLOLO* And you are now converted and agree with me.
How about a fish nothing map? First you need villader to make space for a shipyard/haven then you must create boats to get mir food, only fight with boats:P
I rooted for Red the whole time, I'm happy. When the game finished I shouted in my room "YEAHHH I WISH I WAS WOBBLESSSS!" while shaking my fist to the sky
What happened to 'no more nothing maps'? Not that I'm complaining, I love nothing maps. Don't scare me like that, T90! I don't want to see nothing from you in that department!
I guess it would make more sense if the deleted lumbercamp turns into actual trees (or forest) which you can chop, instead of a building foundation which you can get refunded.
Imagine if there is a 'kill nothing' scenario, where killing something will turn it into another unit via devolving them. The map is filled with random numbers of wild animals. Villagers dying turns into a sheep. Wild animals dying turns into tree/stone/gold. Destroyed structures turns into a lower age version. Dark age structures will not turn into anything and is erased on death. When you create soldiers, and they get killed, they respawn as a lower level class until they hit their lowest and will die permanently. This does mean that it will be very tough to destroy Imperial age structures that are walled off as they are immediately replaced with another structure.
here is a ideea for a nothing map. each building like lumber camp, mining camp, mill can produce resources overtime (tc can produce all types of resources too), relics and trades are disabled
"Nothing cup" for pros is a great idea! The table would be turned. Viper would be lost, TaToh would be king, and we all would be entertained. Please do it T90!
Map Explode nothing, where rules are similar to this one but everything explode when killed, destroyed, deleted and more expensive thing in cost of material the bigger explosion but the power of exploson is the same.
Because I have a weird mind, going into this vid I genuinely thought this was going to be some psychological game of chicken where players goad each other into deleting their TC until only one person remains… a really rubbish premise but a cool social experiment. This works better xD
NGL I thought it was gonna be forest nothing but you could delete enemy buildings and units, so the goal would be line of sight snipe... this is something else
Here's an idea for a map: Create a map with way fewer resources than normal, with no water, no relics, and ban feitorias, so that there's no possible way to get unlimited resources with any civ. See how people play with really tight constraints on every resource. For example: only a couple starting sheep, no boars, only a few deer scattered far from the starting TCs, only straggler trees (no proper woodlines), gold and stone piles are single tiles only, etc.
I love this.... except the storage part... it should be you need to build and then delete it, or not have to make it, just delete lumber camp and get wood... it's not consistent and so unnecessarily complicated... my opinion, at least.
you missed a lot of them messing up and building them throughout the entire episode. i was just like BRO!!!!! how do you not see this happening before your eyes!?!?!?!
There was a Wwarcraft 3 custom map called "Don't Disturb the Kodo" or something, and the objective was to just not move and chat to each other. The moment you move, your single unit is stampeded by Kodos (think of a rhino that fucked a mammoth and a "Kodo" is the baby). That was it though... don't move, or die and get booted from the chat. I thought maybe "delete nothing" was AoE2 version of this :D
How about "clicker nothing"? TC has a 0.1 second build that gives you a tiny amount of resources. You get additional resources/click for every mill, lumber camp, mine, and market you own.
Please please please make an "everything" map/mod ... where (one of the idea) is to have resources jumbled up ... farming will give you stone instead .. chopping will give gold,etc ..... another idea would be to mix military units where trebs attack like rams ...and infantry are like arch,etc
Idea for nothing maps: 1) Daut Nothing: -Deleting a villager gives you 10 stone and 10 wood -Unfinished castles give you stone over time -starts in castle age, or with a Tc fused with market 2) Islands nothing: -custom map -each player has an island with one resource - 1 island with boars (Mongol player) - 1 island with forest (Celt player) - 1 island with stone (Korean player) - 1 island with gold (Turk player) - 1 island with relics and 1 monastery + 1 monk(Aztec player) - 1 island with player starting with 10 Feitorias and 40 houses (Portuguese player) - 2 islands with players starting with a dock (Italian and Viking allies) - A market should be given to most players. Some extra res could be given too for balance. - No shore fish, moderate amount of Salmon 3) Blue Cofee nothing: - empty map - Changing an ally to enemy gives you 50 of each res
I feel that Spanish would be quite good here with the fast building speed for wood income (second to Japanese most likely), and they also get a nice trade gold bonus and for relics Aztecs would be great as well. If you allow for diplo it would be a powerful combo. Portuguese wouldn't be that OP, the Fetoria costs population, relics don't. So if you boom your gold well, you can have a huge production without using population. You're not getting 80k resources with Fetoria. Would be even more fun with regicide+king of the hill enabled like one the previous maps (I think it was stone nothing)
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Here's an idea for another nothing map, what if you had a map called "Idle Nothing." On this map you have to make sure your units are moving around or doing something at all times. If you don't, they will slowly take damage over time and even die if you ignore them for too long. That way, T90 can point and laugh as players accidentally let their vills perish by ignoring idles for too long.
that would be boring rather fast, people would just patrol or just watch their idles faster, unless the idles as the game goes on take more and more dmg. ? like the dmg increases
... How would the "nothing" work?
alternative idle nothing: units who are standing around doing nothing generate resources. Vills generate food, barracks/stable units generate gold, Archery range units generate wood, monks and castle units generate stone. moving, building or attacking means not generating resources.
That's not a nothing map if it just damages idles, but it's a cool idea for a commy game, not all of em have to be nothings.
@@TheHadMatters The lingo is already evolving, now "nothing" just means any special map lmao
This is one of the most awful game modes I have ever watched. 10/10.
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1:26 "And if you delete the Town Centre you get ruins"
Yeah that's usually what happens
But are ruins used for something ?
@@paulmarchi1393 Tourism?
@@the-darkest-day7808 Oh of course yeah
I'm an AoE 1 player and I interpreted this differently 11
@@16semiquavers Attempts to do Persian douche in AoE 1 with this.
Enemy player sees : _All ruins have been captured! You will lose if they are held for 2000 years!_
I like how farms turn the cracked desert beneath into grassy desert after they are gone... TERRAFORM NOTHING?
Delete Nothing, the mode where the first person to resign wins.
Then you got Nothing Nothing, where the last person who doesn't resigns wins.
@@DeadHandtheSurvivor Which is many of the noobs in ranked actually think lol
That's all nothing maps.
0:54 lol "If you delete a lumbercamp, you get wood??!" villiger: "Ja!" XD
Holza
What about a tourney where the rules or mechanics of how the scenario works is hidden? Players must figure it out how it works. Maybe every level of the bracket a new mechanic comes into effect or a whole new map.
Like in one round you could make the vision of the TC only see forest. The players think they are in forest nothing. But once they explore a bit they see there is something beyond their forest.
That would be cool as we see the meta develop on real-time. Challenge is coming up with all the new ideas.
like the card game mao
It is this game. Seems players were not told the rules. I just down voted and quit.
"Welcome to Delete Nothing: a map with LITERALLY nothing but TC, 3 Vilagers, and a Scout"
Me: Sees an HOUR AND A HALF of video left.
"You have my curiosity, good sir"
*skips ahead to see Yellow surviving with 0 economy and double digit pop* "You had my curiosity, now you have my attention."
23:18 - 23:28 Red has 420 wood nad gets 69 stone right after, that is just too perfect
Spanish Bombard Towers seem to be the clear answer. The main bottleneck is building stuff to delete so 30% build speed would be a powerful resource bonus. Bombard towers in the corner of the map has always been the optimum static defense. Normally you lose map control but here there's *nothing* to lose. If you're just racing to build/delete more then eventually you should have more resources.
"He lost his castle to one Teutonic knight", sounds like the Age of Empires ll meta to me.
The last time I saw anything this cursed, La Hire's sword was still dry.
Oh man, when you laugh out loud at a reference to a 20 year old game. Good one😂
when the only building that is unstable and is blinking in and out of reality is the one building called stable
whens "something nothing", where resource sources actually randomly provide a different resource.
Normal map, but everything just gives you wood
@@Owen-bk5fc this s just Forrest Nothing 😉
I gotta think that you got to invest APM into lumber camps. Each lumber camp takes 35 seconds to make. Each gives 50 resources. In a minute each villager puts 60 seconds of building time into two houses (70 seconds of production required) that will produce 100 resources. So each villager can theoretically make 60/70*100 = 85 wood per minute. Even at 80% efficiency thats about 70 resources per minute. That is nuts. The average villager makes 20-30 resources per minute on other resources.
Spending some times, especially in feudal with a market just microing wood production seems really strong. Go to food when the market prices make it worth it to go sheep or when you need to spend APM else where. Invest in a group of lumber camps you don't delete to be your reserve incase you need a burst or spend too much and cant build more lumber camps.
Spanish 30% increase in build speed makes the lumber camp production a lot faster. Rushing feudal seems strong too, so maybe Britons for food off sheep? Or Khmer to skip the buildings? Or huns to keep more vils on food to skip houses?
So this is the actual meta.
Yeah, I thought Spanish as soon as I saw this. 30% increased build speed, that means that 35 seconds is reduced to 25 seconds. So that means that a villager can construct 2 lumber camps per minute roughly, so that means theoretically that they can make 120 wood per minute maximum, however that's disregarding the need to move around, so 110ish wood and roughly 9 stone per minute per villager then. So you could easily get a few 100 wood per second if you try hard enough.
what resources do houses make?
Here so early the comments section looks like this map.
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm dying, hahahaha
And here we are putting down the early trading post comments to generate some like resource.
@@ChrisStavros *starts trading*
'*pulls a yellow player on u guys*'
Love the nothing maps!!!
Edit: Nothing is better than the maps that have nothing scheme or the nothing maps,nothing!
“If you delete a lumber camp... you get wood?”
Villager at 1:01
Lol
Overconfidence remains a slow and insidious killer.
Rusty Spurs darkest empires
Deleting the lumber camp should give you forest tiles instead. That would make it difficult to attack and raid, as a smart player might surround his base with forest, though, but I'm sure people could think of a way to minimize that.
39:03 please please make this happen!!!!! Want to see viper and rubenstock on a nothing map
28:25
"Who would you guys say is winning this?"
Me: "Noone, they'd all lose playing this modmap"
I imagine yellow’s last unit is an old man who herds sheep and watches battles from a distance
0:54 "If you delete a lumber camp... you get wood?"
Villager: "Yah"
🤣
26:50 "I shall make you shepherd of men."
12:30 Hey, I can read, or hear anything, that explanation kept me sane, thank you, tnaintin
T90, you should make a "T90 Farm Nothing" map. Farms already built all over the place!
and can't be built the regular way
Yellow was probably "noob" MBL. Refuses to die! Well played my lad, CloseTuna864542. Well played.
0:54 "if you delete a lumber camp, you get wood" villager: "JA" xD
We NEED a Nothing Cup.
40:29 T90 humming the theme for McDoland's.
26:52 I was really hoping he'd delete the vill for a sheep.
If you look at the starting TC locations for each other players, after about 15 min in I had a pretty good idea who was favorite to win the whole match. Too much tension in middle of map. But there were enough ups and downs to definitely keep things interesting.
0:58 "you get, wood?"
In game Women says "Ja"
haha.
The donation sound at the start really helps introduce the map.
Oh my days this game had everything! Thanks for uploading this T90 :D
"Do they have a TAPEWORM???"
-T90, 2020
Someone should be making a "normal" map *WOLOLO* where:
- Lumber camps functions as farms
- Farms functions as mining camps/deposits
- Mining camps functions as lumber camps
- Barracks builds mounted units
- Stables produce ranged units
- Archery range produce infantry *WOLOLO*
- Castles produce monks and can't shoot
- Temples *WOLOLO* produce special units and can shoot
- Siege workshop produce boats
- Dockyards produce siege units
- University gives military upgrades
- Armory gives structure upgrades
- Towers give pop cap but can't shoot
- Houses don't give pop cap but can shoot
Obviously it *WOLOLO* would be best if the function was changed, and not the skin, so the keybidings for each player will remain the same (and function for keybinding related building is changed). Even have pros play like this against each other! *WOLOLO*
And you are now converted and agree with me.
That's no *WOLOLO* that's just cursed not blessed like *WOLOLO* .
I had Heresy so "dies".
@@temkin9298 lol
How about a fish nothing map? First you need villader to make space for a shipyard/haven then you must create boats to get mir food, only fight with boats:P
The blinking stables are unhinged, but I'd like to watch a high level game in this nothing map
I rooted for red until I realized blue was teutons, my most favorite civ, with my most favorite unique Teutonic Knights!!!!!
TEUUUTONS!!!!
I rooted for Red the whole time, I'm happy. When the game finished I shouted in my room "YEAHHH I WISH I WAS WOBBLESSSS!" while shaking my fist to the sky
At 1:23:00 you should call spirit of the law for maths .
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What happened to 'no more nothing maps'? Not that I'm complaining, I love nothing maps. Don't scare me like that, T90! I don't want to see nothing from you in that department!
0:16 that's one dedicated fetus right there, part of the community three years before birth
I guess it would make more sense if the deleted lumbercamp turns into actual trees (or forest) which you can chop, instead of a building foundation which you can get refunded.
DO IT T90, WE NEED A Nothing CUP
That Stable was 2 parallel universes ahead of everyone.
A Nothing series tournament? That would be amazing
Guys, we finally got Nothing Nothing!
Imagine if there is a 'kill nothing' scenario, where killing something will turn it into another unit via devolving them.
The map is filled with random numbers of wild animals.
Villagers dying turns into a sheep.
Wild animals dying turns into tree/stone/gold.
Destroyed structures turns into a lower age version. Dark age structures will not turn into anything and is erased on death.
When you create soldiers, and they get killed, they respawn as a lower level class until they hit their lowest and will die permanently.
This does mean that it will be very tough to destroy Imperial age structures that are walled off as they are immediately replaced with another structure.
If people had deleted mills would they have gotten food, and if a mining camp gold and stone?
here is a ideea for a nothing map. each building like lumber camp, mining camp, mill can produce resources overtime (tc can produce all types of resources too), relics and trades are disabled
"Nothing cup" for pros is a great idea! The table would be turned. Viper would be lost, TaToh would be king, and we all would be entertained. Please do it T90!
i have an addiction to T90 casting nothing maps LOL
Surprised it took them so long to use trade. That would have been my first thought on reaching feudal.
Love you T90 - thanks for all the great content. This kinda stuff is exactly what I need during the craziness that is 2020.
That final resign was perfect
I Frickin love yellow. Legendary light cav
Map Explode nothing, where rules are similar to this one but everything explode when killed, destroyed, deleted and more expensive thing in cost of material the bigger explosion but the power of exploson is the same.
A "Delete nothing" game with pros, only one game. I would be down for that.
Can't wait to watch the "Each time a building is destroyed it explodes"
Because I have a weird mind, going into this vid I genuinely thought this was going to be some psychological game of chicken where players goad each other into deleting their TC until only one person remains… a really rubbish premise but a cool social experiment. This works better xD
Next: nothing nothing
Already exists
>raid enemy's resources
>kill 8 villagers
>give them free food
1:12:35 Blue's monk in the top of the screen is going be wtf when he gets there. I was told there would be relics.
Damn, T90. The title got me.
2000's: NASCAR
1900's: Moonshine Running
1800's: Kentucky Derby
1200's: 1:02:05
NGL I thought it was gonna be forest nothing but you could delete enemy buildings and units, so the goal would be line of sight snipe... this is something else
ok but going into a resigned player's base to snipe vills and get sheep would be 200iq
"if youre the knight in front you just have to make sure you dont trip over your cape because if you do everyone else will trip"
T90, do it! Pitch Microsoft the “Nothing tournament” idea!!!
Here's an idea for a map: Create a map with way fewer resources than normal, with no water, no relics, and ban feitorias, so that there's no possible way to get unlimited resources with any civ. See how people play with really tight constraints on every resource. For example: only a couple starting sheep, no boars, only a few deer scattered far from the starting TCs, only straggler trees (no proper woodlines), gold and stone piles are single tiles only, etc.
Well I mean you could always tell Microsoft that the nothing maps perform the best with viewership. I would love to see the pros doing this.
I mean, sure, the production line is weird, but those teleporting buildings..
I love this.... except the storage part... it should be you need to build and then delete it, or not have to make it, just delete lumber camp and get wood... it's not consistent and so unnecessarily complicated... my opinion, at least.
The Villa ate the Vills and the ETKs ate the Celts. LoL, then blue lost because ETKs can’t kill 3 elephants apiece, only one or two.
Great game. These crazy games says a lot about unit composition, timing and all. Keep casting man.
This video should've been called the Legend of Tuna.
you missed a lot of them messing up and building them throughout the entire episode. i was just like BRO!!!!! how do you not see this happening before your eyes!?!?!?!
What if you have a surprise "Nothing" map for the finale of the tournament runoff bracket?
At the end, yellow light cav massacred those 5 red hussars but it was way too graphic for us to see.
There was a Wwarcraft 3 custom map called "Don't Disturb the Kodo" or something, and the objective was to just not move and chat to each other. The moment you move, your single unit is stampeded by Kodos (think of a rhino that fucked a mammoth and a "Kodo" is the baby). That was it though... don't move, or die and get booted from the chat.
I thought maybe "delete nothing" was AoE2 version of this :D
At 23:15 red deletes lumbar camps to get 420 wood. He then deletes the storage which brings him up to 69 stone 😂
How about "clicker nothing"? TC has a 0.1 second build that gives you a tiny amount of resources. You get additional resources/click for every mill, lumber camp, mine, and market you own.
Please please please make an "everything" map/mod ... where (one of the idea) is to have resources jumbled up ... farming will give you stone instead .. chopping will give gold,etc ..... another idea would be to mix military units where trebs attack like rams ...and infantry are like arch,etc
1:03:46 Press F to pay respects to Trey the Tradecart.
When it said delete nothing, I thought it was that you can't delete any buildings that you make.
Idea for nothing maps:
1) Daut Nothing:
-Deleting a villager gives you 10 stone and 10 wood
-Unfinished castles give you stone over time
-starts in castle age, or with a Tc fused with market
2) Islands nothing:
-custom map
-each player has an island with one resource
- 1 island with boars (Mongol player)
- 1 island with forest (Celt player)
- 1 island with stone (Korean player)
- 1 island with gold (Turk player)
- 1 island with relics and 1 monastery + 1 monk(Aztec player)
- 1 island with player starting with 10 Feitorias and 40 houses (Portuguese player)
- 2 islands with players starting with a dock (Italian and Viking allies)
- A market should be given to most players. Some extra res could be given too for balance.
- No shore fish, moderate amount of Salmon
3) Blue Cofee nothing:
- empty map
- Changing an ally to enemy gives you 50 of each res
1:12:35 - blue monk going for the relics a few seconds too late 😆
Honestly, Yellow is the real winner here. I half expected Red to resign and let him have that cus it was too good
This should have been called "cannibalism nothing"
1:14:25 😂😂😂😂😂😂 the monks
I feel that Spanish would be quite good here with the fast building speed for wood income (second to Japanese most likely), and they also get a nice trade gold bonus and for relics Aztecs would be great as well. If you allow for diplo it would be a powerful combo. Portuguese wouldn't be that OP, the Fetoria costs population, relics don't. So if you boom your gold well, you can have a huge production without using population. You're not getting 80k resources with Fetoria.
Would be even more fun with regicide+king of the hill enabled like one the previous maps (I think it was stone nothing)
38:43 Nice Darkest Dungeon reference in chat
T90 can we please have just like one silly nothing map in the midst of the next hidden cup, to let the pros be silly and show their personalities?
I don't think the Spear Elephants were better than the Knights. There were just more of them. And it was easy to repopulate for the Elephants as well.
Scientists are investigating the Quantum Stables found on this map.
32:58 The stables are unstable xD
Yo that game was actually legit. I'd watch that again
Lmao the remaining yellows cav literally become bandit harassing anyone who cross path