Seriously go follow Landon for helping to carry the video - I learned so much doing this. Subscribe if you want to see more collabs with other top Tekken players - I've been enjoying this game SO much, going to be covering this game for a bit. Also should be obvious, but no order within tiers.
Tekken 8 reminded me why I love fighting games, the last time I had similar vibrations was during sf4 era, i have already 60 hours on steam, sf6 and gbvr are great games, I would give them both 9/10 but there's always something that bothers me about them, with tekken 8 it's different I can't find anything I don't like and that's quite surprising especially since I'm more of a street fighter player, Tekken 8 is as great as Tekken 3 was in year 1998
Always remember, don't skip a character just because people say they're hard to play or because they're "a low tier character". Play whoever you think is fun and fits your playstyle!
Tier lists only matter when you are at the highest of level of play and even then rarely do high skill players have identical tier listings. It's just internet argument fodder for the rest of us plebs. For the majority, matchup knowledge is way more important.
"The scary thing about fighting a bear is that you don't want a bear to get close to you." is a really good piece of advice for life in general, honestly.
@@Björntobewildliterally, the second I think I’m getting the hang of things I get mixed by something I didn’t even know existed. That or I do a move I didn’t even know as well
... Somehow landon just being like "hey just do this move this move and this move and you're golden" is a better character guide than 95% of the content on youtube, he should make a series
Been playing Dragunov and I can FEEL the power. Easy, straightforward and strong. Not even gonna pretend like my brain is working overtime. Mad fun tho.
@@XamusTV game is full of scrubs right now. I don't mean just people who suck (like me), I mean people spamming the same 3 or 4 moves over and over again. Dragunovs are among the scummiest.
@@Haka-f3k-uyea it’s expected because it’s still new. You have a lot of new players that probably never even played tekken before so they are learning. If they find something that works then of course they are going to keep using it. Scummy or not, if you lose to it that means you failed to adapt.
This was a very good video, and Landon's wise words of "just throw shit out" makes me feel better about starting tbh. May get this game this weekend and give it my best :)
Do it dude! Just getting into fighting games myself this past year! Just got my pc fixed to try two fighting games out, but I’ve been playing street fighter 6(my favorite right now) mk1(dropped after the first week 😕), guilty gear, and now tekken 8! Tekken 8 feels so flipping good right now and very excited to explore my favorite characters , Steve, Kuma and Leo! This game reminds me of street fighter where every character feels unique that play. Sadly why I don’t like mk1 :/ loved mk11 tho
In my opinion, it’s the easiest fighter there is. The layouts are super ergonomic (top 2 are L & R punch, bottom 2 are L & R kick). The moves are the easiest in all fighting games (again, just my opinion). Just rotate a half hour in practice and a half hour in arcade. Or rotate a half hour in practice, then turn on the cpu in practice.
I play Tekken since i was a kid. But even for new players its very worth it ! If you rly buy it. You won't regret it. And even if you strugle first you will learn it with time or watch pros. But anyway the game teaching very good too with all the single player content what it has now. And just play who ever you want.
I didn't invest into a fighting game till Tekken 7. I'd recommend just learning a handful of moves at a time, and once you're confident with your knowledge of the character you're playing, look some stuff up on them like juggles and important moves. And get accustomed to losing, because you're going to get stomped. At least that was my experience when starting in T7.
I picked hworang because i remember button mashing with him on tekken 3 way back when and now i can dress him up as sanji from one piece so it’s even better
@@Perofgloves i think you need reading glasses. I said i remembered button mashing in tekken 3.. i'm obviously putting time and effort into the character now
I wasn't familiar with Landon before this, but now I'm an instant fan. Dude's energy is infectious, and he seems super knowledgeable. Ended up watching the whole thing. Already followed him on Twitch. Great vid, Dia!
Only when you get it in No sword stance or heat. I think you can get a small follow up with Sword Flash, but nothing crazy. And most of his moves aren't useless. That's the fun of the character, you use everything to mix up your opponent.
@@jimmyrustles1988 you get guarenteed b22 on sword and that engages heat so still insanely strong, most of his moves arent "useless" simply for the fact no one uses them, you can throw out lots of moves that act as a knowledge check on often times they will land. Its really nice as a yoshi main because of lot of what I know others dont, and fighting other yoshis lets me see moves that I never use optimized and its really nice to see.
Diaphone, you genuinely just make some the of most in-depth, but easily digestible fighting game content there is. Thank you for making this cause I'm slightly struggling with character identity crisis lol, I want to be a Kuma player, but I know I might not have a great time in the long run and I just need to learn the fundamentals and maybe starting off with a less niche character will probably help.
u can learn fundamentals with any characters tone down the gimmicks and see what strengths weakness they have play around that try to see what players do then adapt to that u can learn to catch whiffs by df1 2 , sneak jabs db1,2 u can frustrate turtles with b1 , chip damage moves what do you do against his bad moment play patients and when they least expect it go crazy stance mixups are great when players respect you and gimmicks are fun to do from time to time just don't be too involved into them overall but this is stuff to be acquired gradually , Have fun and learn with your pace , in the end this is a game you turn to after a tired day of work , to escape from everyday stress , have a good time , please don't let this feeling die down
I’ve always played King in arcades bc I thought he looked cool as a kid. Tekken 8 is the first Tekken game I’ve owned and I’m excited to learn all he has in his toolkit.
Nina is so cool, but she's definitely hard to understand at first. However, once it's clicks it all becomes easier. I play her very mixup heavy and it works. The Hayashida step is a nice tool as well.
@@justinmour6928 I don't know if my other reply saved, sorry if this is repetitive, but I suppose I don't do anything too crazy different. I use her grabs probably more often than other people. She has so many it makes it easy to vary it up. Also, it's almost not fair she can cancel so many things and make them super safe. Started actually learning combos and this video (ua-cam.com/video/p37RwzQ0xtY/v-deo.htmlsi=OOi_UZb_rUWtmkFC&t=1) is really good. Their new video is also good as well.
@@justinmour6928 I stopped playing Tekken 7 a few years ago, so I had to get used to her again. I think she is very good in general and I think my biggest tip would be to not always worry about going for optimal stuff or flashy stuff if it's too risky. Tournament combos! lol.
@@170AndBeyond hahaha yeah you’re right about that!! I’ll stay focused on the fundamentals, her pressure game, frame traps, and using those moments to bait the big 80 damage combos I have lock and loaded!! Thank you!
Yeah keep lying to yourself A normal hit launcher df2 and hopkick makes the character a struggle to learn If you want true Mishima suffering, play Devil Jin or Kazuya
this is my first Tekken game and I am trying SO hard to learn Azucena and its really rough LOL Seeing that she's easy kinda freaks me out, I feel kinda stupid. Having a lot of fun though.
Didn’t know how I felt at first about Diaphone doing a Tekken ranking because “how would this guy know” but I enjoyed it and I like how he brought Landon in to give experienced insight great vid🙏🏽
Really? The dude that said that dragunov is super easy and op? Just to say that characters with wave dash and crouch dashes are more difficult and more rewarding with stronger tools cuz they are harder to use? While raven is a baby mode crouch dash character? One of the easiest slightly complicated characters to use, while he clones, auto parries, built in crushing properties, easy mode evasion,infinite range for some moves? Dragunov doesn't have most tools like a good df2, good strings, good mids (awful hotboxes for mids and super slow. The only good one is CD4 and a sideways fart will let you sidestep it. A characters stance moving around gets them off axis enough to make him whiff most of his moves). Dragunov is strong now but only because of easy wr moves (still nowhere near like what azucena has, where she tracks with the second hit that's a high, so to avoid her we move you have to sidestep and duck super fast or whiff the first hit and dick the 2nd. Drags wr2 gets stepped super easily by a single step). And also his damage thanks to a new string coupled with the weird hit grab at the wall. Remove that and he is back to being Tekken 7 dragunov.. where he was bottom 5.
@@kato093idk man bottom 5 in t7 is a stretch and besides that even if he was (and he clearly wasnt) hes still not hard to play at all. Sure there are characters that are easier to play than him but make no mistake drag is a scrub pick plain and simple. If you find it hard to win then thats on you G.
@@killerkrok55 dragunov is a trash tier character in Tekken 7 my dude. The only way he had to make you duck was D2 and dealt no damage. His best move was wr2 and it's one of the easiest moves to sidestep. He had the worst wall damage in the game. His mids were atrocious and had the worst hotboxes in the whole game (high crushing moves would consistently duck under almost every single mid he had). He had zero tracking and the only tracking move that was consistent was D2 and df3+4 (one of the worst moves in the game). You can ask any pro player, they will tell you that dragunov was a joke at the end of Tekken 7. In Tekken 8 he is a lot stronger thanks to a strong low, better mix ups, qcf4 (A GOOD MID! FINALLY) and the damage at the wall being massively buffed. And no, he is not easy compared to most of the case. Be was and still is intermediate, even if a lot easier to use in Tekken 8 (I'm so sad his F3 sway cancel into 1 are not as useful anymore). Most scrubs hate dragunov because they suck. It's usually the same people that hate kazuya for his vortex. Usually it's victor players (let's not name names). But yeah, it's a surefire way to see who is a noob and who is not just asking how good dragunov is, right after asking the same question about kazuya. That one is to see if you are a complete scrub. After that, it's an Eddy question, which says if you are intermediate or lower. At least for Tekken 7.
@@kato093 Bro, stay calm, I'm not talking about Dragunov but about Raven, and I don't care if he puts Raven in the easy, intermediate or difficult position, I'll continue to love the character and play with him, whatever I wanted to highlight, it's the explanation he gave about the character, because a lot of people don't understand the character, they don't give a convincing explanation and they just say "It's a character full of mixups, teleports and stuff" and puts him in the position intermediate, not because they exactly think the character is intermediate but because they don't understand the character, they don't understand the game plan behind the character.
This video made me a fan of Landon, explains things super well, this is my first TEKKEN and I really wanna play Hworang, gave me a good sense of what I needed
I love how you cover so many fighting games. Whenever a new fighting game comes out i always land on your videos completely on accident. Youve far passed earn my sub but hadn't until now 🤘
i been a Lee main since T4(3 was my first but he wasnt in it) but tbh i always imagined he was near the middle on difficulty. but after playing him for years ig id be biased cuz i have the muscle memory nowadays.
Lmao is it fuck. You need to get used to the feeling of dropping combos and pickups, regardless of how good you are you will constantly be messing up with Lee.
Landon happy to be called a pro for the first time ever lol. I know I should've expected this video for tekken since you do it for all the games you try but I didn't think it'd happen this early, ngl.
Xiaoyu is really hard to learn if you wanna be a master on her. I was tgp we always consider so many situations, setups,okizemes and possibilities during playing
I haven’t played since tekken 2. Had a tiny bit of experience with kaz in smash and hoped it would translate so I picked him up in this game and it’s a humbling experience
I also haven't played since tekken 2. I picked up Asuka, and she is really fun. I hopped online for the first time yesterday, and I went 3 outta 7. Definitely have a LOT to work on.
Started with Jin to get into understanding the basics of Tekken. Then switched to Victor very quickly, because I loved his trailer. Not even pretending that I'm using a lot of brain power, I can spam 2 for a good portion of the match and get away with it. I thought about trying Leroy, but tohught he would be very hard. Thanks for the heads-up, I will look deeper into him, now.
they need to nerf her brain dead running move, at least remove the tracking, that shit is too op I don't even play and jus spectate now but that's so infuriating to see whenever someone spams that.
Love the vid! Xiaoyu main here. Every topic like this - most of her slot is taken up by rants about playing against her 😂 - would definitely call her hard, especially to play optimal- the basic party stuff stops working pretty early
Coming back to this video 5 months later and no one articulates the logic of a Feng player quick like Landon has here. I am not good, but the more I learn about the game and my main, the better I understand how everything works. It's a true mountain to learn Feng since you need to know almost ALL 100+ moves & movement to make him the monster that people say he is.
Played law super casually in tekken 6 - but only played against CPUs Im learning steve and law this time around! i appreciate the commentary on all the characters!
8 is the first Tekken I’ve played online and at launch. Decided to main Reina and having a blast with her. She also has some great costume customizations.
if you ever feel like giving up just remember i play panda with the bumblebee outfit. Im a proud bumblebee panda main and currently vanquisher and its been 1 week or so. Have fun playing what you like.
couldnt agree more , saying asuka is easy is understatement , people need 10 times their current skills to rank her up to blue , and 20 times their skills to get her to kishin and 100 times their own skills to get her to Gold rank saying something is easy and so on is pure garbage to me.
1:07:46 "...two thirds of his move is useless..." I wouldn't call a lot of his moves as straight up useless but rather situational. If you rely only on a few of Yoshi's moves and you get predictable, you're dead more so than a lot of other characters. A lot of his moves are high risk/okay rewards but even above the noob ranks, throwing them randomly can catch people sleeping. A lot of his situational moves are used to setup his actual useful ones. He's a good knowledge check character.
Diaphone is great, and Landon D is a phenomenal tekken player, but if you’re looking at this video for the actual difficulty tier list, this one is NOT the move💀
@@LethalAscend Fergus's character introductions are pretty useful imo. Just google "tekken 8 fergus characters overview reddit" and it should be the first result that shows up
don´t even know why i like those tier list videos, i never care about how hard or top tier a character is... all that matters to me is the style and fun factor xD
I like how Landon is the only one that still thinks Law is on a harder side to play, opposite to the whole "they made DSS easy so now the character is easy to play" sentiment. It really is all about timing His WS4 into DSS moves are still tricky to do perfectly and CH WS4 into DSS 3+4 4 is still really hard to do and even harder to time with the new input
Maining Leo because I love the way they look and feel. As a new Tekken player it is definitely a challenge. I've been having more fun than any other fighting game I have played though.
First time Tekken player here and I used Reina for all of arcade quest and went through it no problem. It was very fun too! I didn’t even know she had the wave dash wind god stuff until after I was finished with it.
I think its very hard to justify putting Reina, a full mishima with perfect electrics, more just frames than all the other Mishimas, mandatory stance transitions that you must learn as a beginner because they come from your bread and butter punishes, with options that will get you killed if you don't know what you're doing, and 3 seperate (technically 5, but its really 3) stances, in average, because she has a ff2 with some fake pressure if your opponent doesn't know how to duck it... Especially with Nina, a NOTORIOUS scrub killer with easy strings that will demolish an opponent who doesn't know them, in the harder tier. Seems like its a bit inconsistent.
I mean, wanna talk about Jin and Reina in the tier below Kazuya? When kazuya is hands down the easiest mishima, people still act like doing electrics is hard.
Almost every tekken character I've played has ewgf input in their kit somewhere, its not a crazy move like you said@@nofuccerino6025 I play king and ewgf before the RDC grabs. EWGF is just a shoryuken with a neutral in the middle practically
i just picked up tekken 8 (my first tekken game) solely for Steve, boxing is such a cool fighting style, especially when its in media where everyone else is doing crazy shit. i main Mac in smash and I main Dudley in SF, I just love boxing in general. reading the comments and watching this video has now made me aware of the extreme mountain I have unknowingly chosen to climb 😭😭
As a former Tekken 7 Feng main, the character is easy as fuck. Yes, you should know how to apply every move of his - but that goes for every other character. Want a free, easy gameplan? Here you go: DF1, B4, B1, DB3, SS4, UF2, DF3, and use his jab a lot. Would you like to be plus? B3 is a new i22 mid that's +6 on block. Want to prevent opponents from pressing? When minus, simply choose one of the following: kenpo (B3+4), BF1, B1, 1+2 (sabaki), or do some high crush move like DB3. Speaking of broken lows - is DB3 not enough for you? Go with QCF1: a i22, -14 on block, +2 on hit, launch on counter-hit low that's immune to low parry and has high-crush, or just go for SS4 (i21, clean-hit launching low). Feng has ZERO mechanical skill involved (the hardest thing you can do in combos is dashing jabs, delaying F,(F)4,3, or doing side-steps for realignment), most of his moves are either cracked or average at worst, and he has counters for almost every conceivable situation. Feng is easy af, don't be gaslit into believing that he takes much effort to play.
Ya Landon is Amazing. He really knows this Game so well. You were picking up the moves he said to try pretty fast. I'm Very new to Tekken and I've been using Bryan. I've figured out quite a bit playing him. I was a little let down by MK1 so this game has been filling the gap pretty well. Allot of fun. Great Video. I watched the whole thing. Thanks. 👊😎
This is my first time playing tekken, I picked up Steve because I thought he was cool, I didn’t realize he was one of the harder characters in the game. But it’s super fun playing as him. 👍
you can play her like a average difficulty character BUT when you want to play her to her full potential she is insanly hard to play. maybe even top 3 hardest, so I disagree with her placement, sure low ranks player can pick her up and do well in but when they get to rank where they chees playstyle does not work anymore they will get destroyed without lerning the advanced stuff
@@ngdome7583 Completely agree, especially if we go by their own reasoning for a character like Nina, a NOTORIOUS scrub killer who had probably the cheapest string in all of tekken 7, where you press 3 buttons and the only answer is to low parry or eat a million damage or a CH. She's extremely easy to knowledge check with, though definitely harder at the highest level, so the same should apply in my humble opinion to the STANCE MISHIMA, even if she has fake ff2 pressure where if you don't know how to defend against it it becomes oppressive.
As a Reina main, she’s really hard to play at advanced levels and I’m kinda exhausted of it. Feels like every character I play against has easy launcher against Reina and I’m kinda fed up. Think ima try a new character to take a break
Take 30 minute to an hour learning her matchup/mixup and you shut down 90% of her stuff and Lili is forced to play defensive. She does have an easier time in T8 because she no longer feels all in-ish with those additional safe moves now where before she's pretty all in.
I'm happy to say that I've been playing Yoshi since T1 and still don't fully understand him, so he is well deserving of the title of hardest character in the game lol.
They didnt consider if the characters can be blocked, dodged, countered or parried. Sure you can spam moves with everyone that they mentioned but how does it work with a sidstepper or with a dasher? Their rankings are maybe 60% accurate!
I feel very proud to be a steve main. I was a Lei Wulong main back in tekken dr but I switched to steve when tekken 6 was launched. Up until now, I still love that character even after all the nerfs.
The big difference between Kazuya and other Mishimas is that Kazuyas ONLY launcher is his electric and block punishing with an electric IS SO DAMN HARD. Give it a try in practice mode you'll understand!!
Highly debated picking up tekken 8 as all the homies played 7 (i have like 20 hours logged into 7 learning paul [friend said he was reminiscent of captain falcon in melee]). This video helped a ton! I just finally got a mayflash arcade stick and im ready for them to whoop my ass while i learn! Liked and subbed!
I've mained Paul for like 10 years, his inputs may be simple, but his linear game plan and lack of panic moves/strings make him extremely difficult at higher levels. You pretty much have to play flawlessly, defensively and punishment wise just to get a round. This also makes him satisfying to play.
When you put Lili as easier compared to Feng that's when I lost respect to this tier list. Feng is like the definition of easy whereas Lili has Dewglide canceling in everything she does since T7
Played maybe 30 hours of tekken 7 before this one so literally still a noob and I chose Yoshi knowing he’d be hard and I don’t regret my choice. I’ve made it to dominator with him and for a total noob im proud of what I’ve learned so far. Don’t let lists discourage you. Pick the character you think looks cool
I've started with Yoshi too 7 years ago before settling with Heihachi a couple of years later. Yoshi is GREAT, just go for whatever makes playing Tekken exciting. The thing I loved about Yoshi is the amount of new situations I would find myself into on a match to match basis, a mindblow after the other.
Seriously go follow Landon for helping to carry the video - I learned so much doing this.
Subscribe if you want to see more collabs with other top Tekken players - I've been enjoying this game SO much, going to be covering this game for a bit.
Also should be obvious, but no order within tiers.
This is great! Probably edit the name though lol and timestamp for DJ. Nice work!
LARDON
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love his insight - he's a dope guest
Tekken 8 reminded me why I love fighting games, the last time I had similar vibrations was during sf4 era, i have already 60 hours on steam,
sf6 and gbvr are great games, I would give them both 9/10 but there's always something that bothers me about them, with tekken 8 it's different I can't find anything I don't like and that's quite surprising especially since I'm more of a street fighter player, Tekken 8 is as great as Tekken 3 was in year 1998
I’ve been learning Yoshimitsu for 20 years
I would like to fight you online. Just to see what that looks like.
This comment rocks.
😂😂😂
Ah, fellow grandmaster player
Your the one that i would see doing wild stuff and back out 🤣😂🤣🙆 i like to keep my sanity.
Always remember, don't skip a character just because people say they're hard to play or because they're "a low tier character".
Play whoever you think is fun and fits your playstyle!
Almost as if tier lists are dumb... lmao
Ppl gonna read this comment then commit seppuku after missing their 100th electric
except azucena
Tier lists only matter when you are at the highest of level of play and even then rarely do high skill players have identical tier listings. It's just internet argument fodder for the rest of us plebs. For the majority, matchup knowledge is way more important.
this! so much this! please pick up the hardest character, completely fail at it and then drop the game entirely and never play it again
"The scary thing about fighting a bear is that you don't want a bear to get close to you." is a really good piece of advice for life in general, honestly.
Someone forgot to tell this to one half of humanity...
Easy:
Hard: all of them
Entire game feels like learning a fucking dictianory out of my head
@@Björntobewildliterally, the second I think I’m getting the hang of things I get mixed by something I didn’t even know existed. That or I do a move I didn’t even know as well
Lol feng is insanely easy
@@_zombiezonelol that’s Tekken. There’s a lot of tools both you and your opponent can employ.
I think the hardest aspect about Tekken is the defense
... Somehow landon just being like "hey just do this move this move and this move and you're golden" is a better character guide than 95% of the content on youtube, he should make a series
basically giving the bread and butter for the characters
Been playing Dragunov and I can FEEL the power. Easy, straightforward and strong. Not even gonna pretend like my brain is working overtime. Mad fun tho.
Bro is going crazy in strategist rank 😂
@@XamusTV LOL unprovoked
@@XamusTV game is full of scrubs right now.
I don't mean just people who suck (like me), I mean people spamming the same 3 or 4 moves over and over again. Dragunovs are among the scummiest.
@@Haka-f3k-uskill issue get good and maybe you won’t get spammed by the same moves 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Haka-f3k-uyea it’s expected because it’s still new. You have a lot of new players that probably never even played tekken before so they are learning. If they find something that works then of course they are going to keep using it. Scummy or not, if you lose to it that means you failed to adapt.
This was a very good video, and Landon's wise words of "just throw shit out" makes me feel better about starting tbh. May get this game this weekend and give it my best :)
Do it dude! Just getting into fighting games myself this past year! Just got my pc fixed to try two fighting games out, but I’ve been playing street fighter 6(my favorite right now) mk1(dropped after the first week 😕), guilty gear, and now tekken 8! Tekken 8 feels so flipping good right now and very excited to explore my favorite characters , Steve, Kuma and Leo! This game reminds me of street fighter where every character feels unique that play. Sadly why I don’t like mk1 :/ loved mk11 tho
dont overthink it, sometimes u just need to hit your coolest move. Dont get fixated on wins alone and enjoy yourself, we are happy for every newcomer
In my opinion, it’s the easiest fighter there is. The layouts are super ergonomic (top 2 are L & R punch, bottom 2 are L & R kick). The moves are the easiest in all fighting games (again, just my opinion).
Just rotate a half hour in practice and a half hour in arcade. Or rotate a half hour in practice, then turn on the cpu in practice.
SFV is easier, at least at a beginner level. Spend 5 minutes in practice, or just practice in between games and your set for bronze to silver.
Never invested time in a fighting game before but this looks really good might actually give it a try.
I play Tekken since i was a kid. But even for new players its very worth it ! If you rly buy it. You won't regret it. And even if you strugle first you will learn it with time or watch pros. But anyway the game teaching very good too with all the single player content what it has now. And just play who ever you want.
I didn't invest into a fighting game till Tekken 7. I'd recommend just learning a handful of moves at a time, and once you're confident with your knowledge of the character you're playing, look some stuff up on them like juggles and important moves. And get accustomed to losing, because you're going to get stomped. At least that was my experience when starting in T7.
i am dogshit at fighting games but i played 13 hours over the last two days
You can try but you will cry
Trust me u not gonna get good it takes years and years i been playing tekken since 5 and im still learning new stuff tbh😂😂
Nice video as always! Tekken fans are having a blast right now!
I picked hworang because i remember button mashing with him on tekken 3 way back when and now i can dress him up as sanji from one piece so it’s even better
On G thats amaing.
Oooh, cool idea 👍👏
No way ur a hwo main and saying he’s button mashing hwo is a hard charecter to learn
@@Perofgloves i think you need reading glasses. I said i remembered button mashing in tekken 3.. i'm obviously putting time and effort into the character now
@@Perofgloves hes a hard character to play properly. hes not a difficult character to get to orange/red ranks with by just mashing shit
I wasn't familiar with Landon before this, but now I'm an instant fan. Dude's energy is infectious, and he seems super knowledgeable. Ended up watching the whole thing. Already followed him on Twitch. Great vid, Dia!
I planned to fast forward to see the list in the end but then found myself watching the whole thing.
Thanks Diaphone and Landon for this!
Yeah i didn’t even realize im 48 minutes in already
Old school Tekken head here. Shaheen’s charge isn’t the first charge move in Tekken. Law had a down/up charge flip in Tekken 1. Great vid!!
Yoshi had a charged sword stab too. Since the first game
And Paul has always had one
Man, Yoshimitsu is so hard they don't even know you CAN combo out of flash and think most of his moves are "useless" and barely know what he can do
Only when you get it in No sword stance or heat. I think you can get a small follow up with Sword Flash, but nothing crazy. And most of his moves aren't useless. That's the fun of the character, you use everything to mix up your opponent.
the most useless move is 4,4,4, shits not even a CH anymore, but its a legacy move so i understand why they wont take it out
@@jimmyrustles1988 you get guarenteed b22 on sword and that engages heat so still insanely strong, most of his moves arent "useless" simply for the fact no one uses them, you can throw out lots of moves that act as a knowledge check on often times they will land. Its really nice as a yoshi main because of lot of what I know others dont, and fighting other yoshis lets me see moves that I never use optimized and its really nice to see.
@@felipev4077 Pretty decent on the wall if your are parallel to the wall.
Me a new player who started with Yoshi and Devil Jin. Honestly it wasn’t bad at all
So glad I stuck around till the end, really needed that "atleast I have Nun chucks" line lol
Landon is hilarious, and I love the Tekken enthusiasm. Fighting game players have been eating good lately.
I been gorging on this game since I got it Tuesday night. Already clocked over 40 hrs in this game.
Diaphone, you genuinely just make some the of most in-depth, but easily digestible fighting game content there is. Thank you for making this cause I'm slightly struggling with character identity crisis lol, I want to be a Kuma player, but I know I might not have a great time in the long run and I just need to learn the fundamentals and maybe starting off with a less niche character will probably help.
nah bro just play kuma, you'll have more fun playing the character you want to.
Kuma legitimately terrifying to fight rn, just don't be an idiot and spam 111
u can learn fundamentals with any characters
tone down the gimmicks and see what strengths weakness they have play around that
try to see what players do then adapt to that
u can learn to catch whiffs by df1 2 , sneak jabs db1,2 u can frustrate turtles with b1 , chip damage moves
what do you do against his bad moment play patients and when they least expect it go crazy
stance mixups are great when players respect you
and gimmicks are fun to do from time to time just don't be too involved into them overall
but this is stuff to be acquired gradually , Have fun and learn with your pace ,
in the end this is a game you turn to after a tired day of work , to escape from everyday stress , have a good time , please don't let this feeling die down
I’ve always played King in arcades bc I thought he looked cool as a kid. Tekken 8 is the first Tekken game I’ve owned and I’m excited to learn all he has in his toolkit.
Im a completely new player but raven just speaks to me man been enjoying learning him fs
Nina is so cool, but she's definitely hard to understand at first. However, once it's clicks it all becomes easier. I play her very mixup heavy and it works. The Hayashida step is a nice tool as well.
Im a Nina main as well and I just made it to Vanquisher. What is your go-to game plan with her?!
@@justinmour6928 I don't know if my other reply saved, sorry if this is repetitive, but I suppose I don't do anything too crazy different. I use her grabs probably more often than other people. She has so many it makes it easy to vary it up. Also, it's almost not fair she can cancel so many things and make them super safe. Started actually learning combos and this video (ua-cam.com/video/p37RwzQ0xtY/v-deo.htmlsi=OOi_UZb_rUWtmkFC&t=1) is really good. Their new video is also good as well.
@@justinmour6928 I stopped playing Tekken 7 a few years ago, so I had to get used to her again. I think she is very good in general and I think my biggest tip would be to not always worry about going for optimal stuff or flashy stuff if it's too risky. Tournament combos! lol.
@@170AndBeyond hahaha yeah you’re right about that!! I’ll stay focused on the fundamentals, her pressure game, frame traps, and using those moments to bait the big 80 damage combos I have lock and loaded!! Thank you!
Perfect opportunity to fight his ghost and find out for yourself. Might pick up some new tech@@justinmour6928
I’m so amazed Landon know like all the inputs for all the characters.
hes been playing for 12 years
I loved this video so much. You guys are both wholesome af, this was just awesome
First Tekken game tryna learn Reina is a struggle XD
Mishimas can be challenging but they're cool af
Mishimas are difficult but so rewarding once it clicks
Yeah keep lying to yourself
A normal hit launcher df2 and hopkick makes the character a struggle to learn
If you want true Mishima suffering, play Devil Jin or Kazuya
Im learning Yoshimitsu atm....so many stances. Fun as hell though
@@qweqweqwadcsc kaz and devil jin have tools that reina doenst have like actual lows lmao its a trade off
Really amazing video and some insight per character, to have them fleshed out without having to play everything to know whats going for who. Thanks!
this is my first Tekken game and I am trying SO hard to learn Azucena and its really rough LOL Seeing that she's easy kinda freaks me out, I feel kinda stupid. Having a lot of fun though.
finally a good video on this topic from someone.landon is crazy he knows everything LMAO hes like a lexicon
Landon doesn't know what hes talking about at all
Didn’t know how I felt at first about Diaphone doing a Tekken ranking because “how would this guy know” but I enjoyed it and I like how he brought Landon in to give experienced insight great vid🙏🏽
51:25 Finally, someone who understands the character and doesn't put him as an intermediary just because he doesn't know the character. Thanks man 🙏🏾
Really? The dude that said that dragunov is super easy and op? Just to say that characters with wave dash and crouch dashes are more difficult and more rewarding with stronger tools cuz they are harder to use? While raven is a baby mode crouch dash character? One of the easiest slightly complicated characters to use, while he clones, auto parries, built in crushing properties, easy mode evasion,infinite range for some moves?
Dragunov doesn't have most tools like a good df2, good strings, good mids (awful hotboxes for mids and super slow. The only good one is CD4 and a sideways fart will let you sidestep it. A characters stance moving around gets them off axis enough to make him whiff most of his moves).
Dragunov is strong now but only because of easy wr moves (still nowhere near like what azucena has, where she tracks with the second hit that's a high, so to avoid her we move you have to sidestep and duck super fast or whiff the first hit and dick the 2nd. Drags wr2 gets stepped super easily by a single step). And also his damage thanks to a new string coupled with the weird hit grab at the wall. Remove that and he is back to being Tekken 7 dragunov.. where he was bottom 5.
@@kato093idk man bottom 5 in t7 is a stretch and besides that even if he was (and he clearly wasnt) hes still not hard to play at all. Sure there are characters that are easier to play than him but make no mistake drag is a scrub pick plain and simple. If you find it hard to win then thats on you G.
@@killerkrok55 dragunov is a trash tier character in Tekken 7 my dude.
The only way he had to make you duck was D2 and dealt no damage.
His best move was wr2 and it's one of the easiest moves to sidestep.
He had the worst wall damage in the game. His mids were atrocious and had the worst hotboxes in the whole game (high crushing moves would consistently duck under almost every single mid he had).
He had zero tracking and the only tracking move that was consistent was D2 and df3+4 (one of the worst moves in the game).
You can ask any pro player, they will tell you that dragunov was a joke at the end of Tekken 7.
In Tekken 8 he is a lot stronger thanks to a strong low, better mix ups, qcf4 (A GOOD MID! FINALLY) and the damage at the wall being massively buffed.
And no, he is not easy compared to most of the case. Be was and still is intermediate, even if a lot easier to use in Tekken 8 (I'm so sad his F3 sway cancel into 1 are not as useful anymore).
Most scrubs hate dragunov because they suck. It's usually the same people that hate kazuya for his vortex. Usually it's victor players (let's not name names).
But yeah, it's a surefire way to see who is a noob and who is not just asking how good dragunov is, right after asking the same question about kazuya. That one is to see if you are a complete scrub. After that, it's an Eddy question, which says if you are intermediate or lower. At least for Tekken 7.
@@kato093 Bro, stay calm, I'm not talking about Dragunov but about Raven, and I don't care if he puts Raven in the easy, intermediate or difficult position, I'll continue to love the character and play with him, whatever I wanted to highlight, it's the explanation he gave about the character, because a lot of people don't understand the character, they don't give a convincing explanation and they just say "It's a character full of mixups, teleports and stuff" and puts him in the position intermediate, not because they exactly think the character is intermediate but because they don't understand the character, they don't understand the game plan behind the character.
Bro you think you know more than Landon lmao drag is easy as hell
Great video, I'm maining Law and I thought he was easy! Thanks for the slide trick
This video made me a fan of Landon, explains things super well, this is my first TEKKEN and I really wanna play Hworang, gave me a good sense of what I needed
Heyyy same, lets go🔥
I love how you cover so many fighting games. Whenever a new fighting game comes out i always land on your videos completely on accident. Youve far passed earn my sub but hadn't until now 🤘
Lee main since Tag 1 here, yeah not very beginner friendly but once muscle memory kicks in, it is smooth sailing.
Muscle memory implies you're not a beginner though so that doesn't apply for new people
i been a Lee main since T4(3 was my first but he wasnt in it) but tbh i always imagined he was near the middle on difficulty. but after playing him for years ig id be biased cuz i have the muscle memory nowadays.
@@BillyBlakeington this is exactly what he wrote
Lmao is it fuck. You need to get used to the feeling of dropping combos and pickups, regardless of how good you are you will constantly be messing up with Lee.
As a new Tekken player I appreciate you going through the inputs (and having the input display on).
First tekken game since ps2. Went with Jun and I haven’t looked back
Love being a character loyalist when a new game drops and they are top tier lol
Me with Nina.
it's tierlist for how easy or hard they are to learn... not how strong they are
@@polakuu I'm not talking about the list just speaking in general
Landon happy to be called a pro for the first time ever lol.
I know I should've expected this video for tekken since you do it for all the games you try but I didn't think it'd happen this early, ngl.
Xiaoyu is really hard to learn if you wanna be a master on her. I was tgp we always consider so many situations, setups,okizemes and possibilities during playing
She not that hard to play with nina Williams is hard 😢
@@topshotta2000 only button mashing, not strategic....
"if you like rhythm games, try Lee." That is actually very accurate. I love his just frames
when i study tekken more than i study at school, this game is so hard, but it is fun although I get insane from time to time.
I haven’t played since tekken 2. Had a tiny bit of experience with kaz in smash and hoped it would translate so I picked him up in this game and it’s a humbling experience
I also haven't played since tekken 2. I picked up Asuka, and she is really fun. I hopped online for the first time yesterday, and I went 3 outta 7. Definitely have a LOT to work on.
He's not that hard, if you learn him learning other characters will be easier.
I gotten everything down except pewgf and wavedashing. I can do regular electrics and make it work. Keep pushing
Started with Jin to get into understanding the basics of Tekken.
Then switched to Victor very quickly, because I loved his trailer. Not even pretending that I'm using a lot of brain power, I can spam 2 for a good portion of the match and get away with it.
I thought about trying Leroy, but tohught he would be very hard. Thanks for the heads-up, I will look deeper into him, now.
Well as a beginner to Tekken and being Peruvian i think Azucena seems to be a no brainer
they need to nerf her brain dead running move, at least remove the tracking, that shit is too op I don't even play and jus spectate now but that's so infuriating to see whenever someone spams that.
@@metalsadmanyeah, leave the mid plus homing running moves to Dragunov mains! We need it :)))))
@@metalsadman
>someone who doesn’t play wants nerfs
@@metalsadman "I don't even play" but you want a nerf I'm crying that's Twitter discourse summarized in a nutshell
so you have to subject yourself continually to a shitty game to have an opinion? idiot@@rejectscorner9939
Love the vid! Xiaoyu main here. Every topic like this - most of her slot is taken up by rants about playing against her 😂 - would definitely call her hard, especially to play optimal- the basic party stuff stops working pretty early
I was just thinking how I’ve never seen a top Aliza uses her chainsaws
Man, you chose the right dude to invite, not only he knows his stuff but he's GREAT at explaining. Kudos.
Coming back to this video 5 months later and no one articulates the logic of a Feng player quick like Landon has here. I am not good, but the more I learn about the game and my main, the better I understand how everything works. It's a true mountain to learn Feng since you need to know almost ALL 100+ moves & movement to make him the monster that people say he is.
Played law super casually in tekken 6 - but only played against CPUs
Im learning steve and law this time around! i appreciate the commentary on all the characters!
8 is the first Tekken I’ve played online and at launch. Decided to main Reina and having a blast with her. She also has some great costume customizations.
Diaphone the goat forreal 🙏🏼
ong no kap
Law has been my main since the beginning. This new tekken is fantastic
if you ever feel like giving up just remember i play panda with the bumblebee outfit. Im a proud bumblebee panda main and currently vanquisher and its been 1 week or so. Have fun playing what you like.
Tbh most people rather care about the highest rank and high rank players fights and ranks in Tekken games is what is all about
As a Paul main since 2013, you are definitely simplifying his game. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that
Shhh, we can't let them know that he actually is one of the hardest characters in the game.
Good point. Lets not let them know what he is capable of at high levels, then every other player will be a Paul lol@@TekkenPlayer-z7j
yeah sure.
You rated some characters on their skill ceiling, and some others on their skill floor. List feels weirdly inconsistent.
couldnt agree more , saying asuka is easy is understatement , people need 10 times their current skills to rank her up to blue , and 20 times their skills to get her to kishin and 100 times their own skills to get her to Gold rank
saying something is easy and so on is pure garbage to me.
Very insightful Tier List! YOu did a great job with that!
1:07:46 "...two thirds of his move is useless..."
I wouldn't call a lot of his moves as straight up useless but rather situational. If you rely only on a few of Yoshi's moves and you get predictable, you're dead more so than a lot of other characters. A lot of his moves are high risk/okay rewards but even above the noob ranks, throwing them randomly can catch people sleeping. A lot of his situational moves are used to setup his actual useful ones. He's a good knowledge check character.
Excellent description of the character.
Such great info!! First Tekken game and LOVING it
Diaphone is great, and Landon D is a phenomenal tekken player, but if you’re looking at this video for the actual difficulty tier list, this one is NOT the move💀
Where to go
@@LethalAscend
Fergus's character introductions are pretty useful imo. Just google "tekken 8 fergus characters overview reddit" and it should be the first result that shows up
ahahah mad cause your main is easy eh?
@@riki4404 I actually play Bryan and Lee💀 but go off lil dude
@@riki4404proud cause yours is "hard"? 😂😂😂
don´t even know why i like those tier list videos, i never care about how hard or top tier a character is... all that matters to me is the style and fun factor xD
"Pick who looks cool cos when it gets tough, at least you have nunchucks" is the greatest fighting game quote i've ever heard 😂
I like how Landon is the only one that still thinks Law is on a harder side to play, opposite to the whole "they made DSS easy so now the character is easy to play" sentiment. It really is all about timing
His WS4 into DSS moves are still tricky to do perfectly and CH WS4 into DSS 3+4 4 is still really hard to do and even harder to time with the new input
This vid actually taught me a little bit about my main Shaheen, I didn't know about the forward back, or that I could do my charge while side stepping
Maining Leo because I love the way they look and feel. As a new Tekken player it is definitely a challenge. I've been having more fun than any other fighting game I have played though.
5 months later and this video is golden
Yoshi is my main and im having a ton of fun with the silly ninja man despite his complexity
First time Tekken player here and I used Reina for all of arcade quest and went through it no problem. It was very fun too! I didn’t even know she had the wave dash wind god stuff until after I was finished with it.
I think its very hard to justify putting Reina, a full mishima with perfect electrics, more just frames than all the other Mishimas, mandatory stance transitions that you must learn as a beginner because they come from your bread and butter punishes, with options that will get you killed if you don't know what you're doing, and 3 seperate (technically 5, but its really 3) stances, in average, because she has a ff2 with some fake pressure if your opponent doesn't know how to duck it...
Especially with Nina, a NOTORIOUS scrub killer with easy strings that will demolish an opponent who doesn't know them, in the harder tier. Seems like its a bit inconsistent.
nina's strings have been nerfed i belive, she no longer has plus on block strings but i do agree with you on Reina
I mean, wanna talk about Jin and Reina in the tier below Kazuya? When kazuya is hands down the easiest mishima, people still act like doing electrics is hard.
yea, putting king on easy, wtf... all the females are toxic super sonic speed, that B.A. lars too.
Almost every tekken character I've played has ewgf input in their kit somewhere, its not a crazy move like you said@@nofuccerino6025 I play king and ewgf before the RDC grabs. EWGF is just a shoryuken with a neutral in the middle practically
Yeah, i think she's like heihachi but more complicated, at least as hard as dvj with how ass her lows are
haha this is nice. Ive seen this type of reviews on watches and its nice to see it done on tekken :)
under one minute crew rise up
Under 30 min gang like this
I’ll have my wife vouch for me but I promise I’m an under one minute man.
Bro is king of the never touching grass squad
Why is this a flex? Being the first in a video is the stupidest and most no life thing ever
@@IDisagree100 I just happened to refresh my youtube at the most opportune time.
I played Raven in Tekken 5 with brother on PS2,I’m glad he’s back
Grew up on Soul Calibur, so sink or swim, I'm maining Yosh! It is my first Tekken however lol
As a fellow Yoshi main, good luck and party hard.
Never forget to party! Your opponent will be expecting you to fight seriously
i just picked up tekken 8 (my first tekken game) solely for Steve, boxing is such a cool fighting style, especially when its in media where everyone else is doing crazy shit. i main Mac in smash and I main Dudley in SF, I just love boxing in general. reading the comments and watching this video has now made me aware of the extreme mountain I have unknowingly chosen to climb 😭😭
As a former Tekken 7 Feng main, the character is easy as fuck. Yes, you should know how to apply every move of his - but that goes for every other character. Want a free, easy gameplan? Here you go: DF1, B4, B1, DB3, SS4, UF2, DF3, and use his jab a lot.
Would you like to be plus? B3 is a new i22 mid that's +6 on block. Want to prevent opponents from pressing? When minus, simply choose one of the following: kenpo (B3+4), BF1, B1, 1+2 (sabaki), or do some high crush move like DB3. Speaking of broken lows - is DB3 not enough for you? Go with QCF1: a i22, -14 on block, +2 on hit, launch on counter-hit low that's immune to low parry and has high-crush, or just go for SS4 (i21, clean-hit launching low).
Feng has ZERO mechanical skill involved (the hardest thing you can do in combos is dashing jabs, delaying F,(F)4,3, or doing side-steps for realignment), most of his moves are either cracked or average at worst, and he has counters for almost every conceivable situation. Feng is easy af, don't be gaslit into believing that he takes much effort to play.
This almost reads as a salt post lmao, all characters take a ton of effort to play at higher levels
DF1 0 on block D4 0 on hit, imminent CH B1 trade go brrrr
FR though Feng insanely simple to play since T7
Ya Landon is Amazing. He really knows this Game so well. You were picking up the moves he said to try pretty fast. I'm Very new to Tekken and I've been using Bryan. I've figured out quite a bit playing him. I was a little let down by MK1 so this game has been filling the gap pretty well. Allot of fun. Great Video. I watched the whole thing. Thanks. 👊😎
been waiting for this video
"hes like a character you would play after you beat the game"
me starting on yoshimitsu as my first character looooooooool
Yoshimitsu mentioned raaaaaaaaaahhh 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
This is my first time playing tekken, I picked up Steve because I thought he was cool, I didn’t realize he was one of the harder characters in the game. But it’s super fun playing as him. 👍
There's no way they put reina in average difficulty
you can play her like a average difficulty character BUT when you want to play her to her full potential she is insanly hard to play. maybe even top 3 hardest, so I disagree with her placement, sure low ranks player can pick her up and do well in but when they get to rank where they chees playstyle does not work anymore they will get destroyed without lerning the advanced stuff
Anakin himself made a guide on her and said she wasn’t hard to play
@@mikaylalaymance6812 Of course it's not hard... FOR HIM but for 90% of the players without his experience and skill, well
@@ngdome7583 Completely agree, especially if we go by their own reasoning for a character like Nina, a NOTORIOUS scrub killer who had probably the cheapest string in all of tekken 7, where you press 3 buttons and the only answer is to low parry or eat a million damage or a CH. She's extremely easy to knowledge check with, though definitely harder at the highest level, so the same should apply in my humble opinion to the STANCE MISHIMA, even if she has fake ff2 pressure where if you don't know how to defend against it it becomes oppressive.
As a Reina main, she’s really hard to play at advanced levels and I’m kinda exhausted of it. Feels like every character I play against has easy launcher against Reina and I’m kinda fed up. Think ima try a new character to take a break
Thanks!
You actually do get a full combo from flash in No Sword Stance or in heat mode. Nice video tough, quality work.
I will always love Marshall law /bruce lee , dragon kicks , kung fu , jet kune do moves , one inch punch ,yep this is in the game
Tell me you don’t play Lili without telling you don’t play Lili💀
Take 30 minute to an hour learning her matchup/mixup and you shut down 90% of her stuff and Lili is forced to play defensive. She does have an easier time in T8 because she no longer feels all in-ish with those additional safe moves now where before she's pretty all in.
@@FrozenFacade 100% agree with u
Landon had some verrrryyyy helpful tips good video. Also, you are adorable
How was Diaphone the first to make this
Mainman didn't do a tier list but he did something similar day 1
I'm happy to say that I've been playing Yoshi since T1 and still don't fully understand him, so he is well deserving of the title of hardest character in the game lol.
They didnt consider if the characters can be blocked, dodged, countered or parried. Sure you can spam moves with everyone that they mentioned but how does it work with a sidstepper or with a dasher? Their rankings are maybe 60% accurate!
I feel very proud to be a steve main. I was a Lei Wulong main back in tekken dr but I switched to steve when tekken 6 was launched. Up until now, I still love that character even after all the nerfs.
“Asuka is the scrubbiest character in T7.”
Me: *cough* Katarina. Spam 4 all day long.
The moment i saw reina being "hard" on thumbnail i was face palming i'm glad u guys fixed that in the vid
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1:08:02 does he know
No Sword Stance was buffed with high damage moves that heal yoshi and flash is one of those buffed moves that gets a combo out of NSS and in heat
man i was expecting a longer breakdown on lee, he's my fav
The big difference between Kazuya and other Mishimas is that Kazuyas ONLY launcher is his electric and block punishing with an electric IS SO DAMN HARD. Give it a try in practice mode you'll understand!!
Kazuya has twin pistons as launcher...
@@Teddious. You are not going to block or whiff punish with TP you have to electric -15 mids
@canberksahinable man I get Twin Piston launched on block all the time lmao. It's also literally a 15 frame launcher
Highly debated picking up tekken 8 as all the homies played 7 (i have like 20 hours logged into 7 learning paul [friend said he was reminiscent of captain falcon in melee]). This video helped a ton! I just finally got a mayflash arcade stick and im ready for them to whoop my ass while i learn! Liked and subbed!
I've mained Paul for like 10 years, his inputs may be simple, but his linear game plan and lack of panic moves/strings make him extremely difficult at higher levels. You pretty much have to play flawlessly, defensively and punishment wise just to get a round. This also makes him satisfying to play.
When you put Lili as easier compared to Feng that's when I lost respect to this tier list. Feng is like the definition of easy whereas Lili has Dewglide canceling in everything she does since T7
i picked up tekken for the first time last week and started playing raven off rip. glad to now know my struggling is for good purpose!
Lili easy? Isn’t the popular opinion that she needs solid fundamentals or you get crushed?
Claudio is my guy haha and some days it's just "ugh at least I can shoot arrows now" lol
Law is defo not harder than xiaoyu wtf xD
Yeah I kinda feel like that’s some ho shit putting law next to kazuya like whhaaaaaaat
Like he said it's subjective for example I think Eddy is actually one of the hardest characters to use despite easy inputs Reina is easier
Played maybe 30 hours of tekken 7 before this one so literally still a noob and I chose Yoshi knowing he’d be hard and I don’t regret my choice. I’ve made it to dominator with him and for a total noob im proud of what I’ve learned so far. Don’t let lists discourage you. Pick the character you think looks cool
I've started with Yoshi too 7 years ago before settling with Heihachi a couple of years later. Yoshi is GREAT, just go for whatever makes playing Tekken exciting.
The thing I loved about Yoshi is the amount of new situations I would find myself into on a match to match basis, a mindblow after the other.
Law, Dragunov, King in average. Shaheen easy, Hwo Harder