@@petervonpanda You mentioned high toe hit. I believe TXG determined lighter swing weights produce better results with autoflex. Even lighter than D2. A head too heavy with autoflex will produce more shaft droop. Causing high toe hits. I have also cut my driver shaft down 3 inches.
Hey 👋 Im just happy with my Autoflexshaft 505 with an average of 98 mph CHS and it gives me additional 3-4 mph compared to a stiff or regular flex shaft. I wonder if the more flexible and lighter 405 would even have a greater impact on CHS like 6-8mph with a average speed of 94-95mph. Do you have any info on that? I have no chance to get a hand on a 405 or fitter near my place who’s selling Autoflexshafts.
I have a slow swing speed and not a long hitter like you. Have you tried Alta Distanza shaft? i currently using this shaft and it helps me to increase my distance round 10 yards. Not sure is this Auto Flex will give me further improvements.
I was so hoping you weren’t going to cut this thing up! I broke my first one after only 15 swings, it actually broke in 3 places! They made it up to me,no questions asked! Loving the new one, got 3 rounds on it now!
I have ordered and received SF505X last Nov.17. 2020 I play on the golf course 2 times so far and I hit an avg. 270~280 with my Taylormade M5 9* I really want to try this on the new Ping G425 Max 9* I waiting on the Ping G425 Max
I wouldnt recommend this at all. G425 heads are typically heavier than other brands. People that has tested this combination didn't have a good result. FYI
You mentioned high toe hit. I believe TXG determined lighter swing weights produce better results with autoflex. Even lighter than D2. A head too heavy with autoflex will produce more shaft droop. Causing high toe hits. I have also cut my driver shaft down 3 inches.
Interesting. I’ll try reducing the weight and see if it gets better. Makes sense about the toe hit. Makes sense that this shaft droops more than other graphite shafts
Did any of you had to change the weight of the head to ensure the swing weight stays at D1? I have not had any success with the shaft as the ball is all over the place. I am a 11 HC.
Thanks. I am a year late into this. Your cut out solve some mystery. I roughly know what makes it expensive. It’s not as simple as you said thinner. How to twirl the carbon yarns and weave variable strength out a fixed length is what they know best. Not the usual carbon sheet wrapped rounds and rounds of times onto a mold and do the impregnation and vacuum bagging method.
Hi, I play to a 6 handicap and my high end swing speed is 110mph. I bought one of the sf505 at D1 and I’ve seen great results on my titleist TSi3. I definitely have seen better control and about 15-20 yards distance. Obviously not cheap, but the results have me no longer looking for that one shaft to rule them all!
That is crazy. I played tonight and averaged 18 yards further than my old shaft. I’m still stunned. But also feel like I’m going to break the shaft eventually. But so far, it still works
@@petervonpanda is the 18y on a launch monitor or actual course conditions? I do have friends who found it does nothing for them at all. But for me, it works!
The numbers were gathered on a launch monitor tonight. I also got a day in at the outdoor range last week and I saw more distance than before hitting over a rise that I usually can’t reach. However, I don’t have a good way of measuring it. It’s also w range balls which I tend to hit a little worse. My real world concern is also with golf balls. I wonder if the balls that worked best with my previous setup are now suboptimal.
How did you get it down to D1? I can’t get it below D4 unless I start trimming or putting butt weights on. Not trying to do that. Currently playing at 45.75”
Shorter shafts and shorter guy isn't the issue, you have zero wrist hinge. Your wrists are so tight, you have zero lag. Lag equals speed and distance. I HIGHLY recommend Paul Wilson's youtube channel. Loosen up those wrists!!!!
I think all manufacturers should fit some adjustable weights in the club so that the club can be made lighter for slower swing speed players especially but also just swing-weighting. This would make more shafts viable and easier to swing.
I have the 505 shaft. Unfortunately, the lockdown has stopped me practising with it properly yet, but if I get your results in terms of extra distance I will be very happy.
It definitely takes a little while to get used to it. And I had to play several more rounds after practicing to get my best results - but I am a believer now
@@petervonpanda Great. I get that impression. It seems to be a new way of swinging the club, but it certainly seems to work. The few times I used it I was gaining distance, but it felt strange, that’s the only way I can describe it.
Is that simulator your home set up? I have the AF in both driver and 3 wood. It works. Also tighter dispersion. I’m in places in the winter cold weather, wind that I’m in during summer, hot weather. Also much straighter. I swing about 108 on smooth and 112-114 when I go after it. I’m about 15-20 yards longer. Same with 3 wood. I’m playing the SF505X. In one part of the video you say that these are the numbers and then the AF numbers pop up and you say it’s between your head and heart. Numbers are numbers.
True. No, it’s not my simulator. Numbers are numbers and I’m glad that it bears out in data, because I would otherwise say that it probably feel like it’s working without proof. It’s hard to believe that it makes that much difference. Especially when I’ve tried so many things that don’t show any improvement by the numbers.
Ok,you basically dont have any release and a classic flying elbow.Forget the shafts spend some money with a pro.Also for what it's worth the auto flex has better torque resistance ,so the offset center of mass in the head does not open or close the face at impact as much as the others. My compliments though on your approach to your endeavor.
I'm stunned. I'm trying to figure out if it's really possible that it's delivering or if I'm missing something that's biasing it. I don't swing fast, and I'm guessing the SF305 would've been a more appropriate shaft, but I'm planning on playing a lot more with it to see how it goes. If you're in Chicago, you're welcome to try mine!
@@petervonpanda Thank you for that! Sadly I’m a world away in Portland, OR. Definitely interested in a follow up after you have played more rounds. Currently I play the VG3 driver from Japan as they are quite audible second hand. Very nice but similar to all other top end drivers results wise. However I did buy an Edel EAS 4.0 just today based on your recommendation so excited to try it. Thanks again!
Oh man, John, I think you're going to like that Edel. Definitely a splurge, but it's great. I've discovered more ingenious details about it now that I've played it all summer.
This is in reply to your view of the inside of the Autoflex shaft and why you are seeing lines that run at an angle to the shaft. This is quite NORMAL in ALL graphite shafts, It has to do with the weave of the graphite cloth used to made the shaft, Each layer of graphite is cut in a way that the grain of the cloth runs in different directions, as the direction of the grain determines how that layer will effect the flex and torque of the shaft. When the grain runs from tip to butt, that layer MOASTLY effects the FLEX of the shaft. When the grain runs AROUND the shaft, that layer MOSTLY effects the TORQUE of the shaft. Layers that are at a 45 or 30 degree angle to the length of the shaft effect BOTH. This is why most top end shafts have 20 to 30 layers of graphite cloth, each layer with the grain aligned in a way to get what the shaft designed wants to get from the end product. In the case of the AutoFlex shaft, my bet is that the FIRST layer of cloth had the weave running at a 45* angle to the shaft, and that's why you SEE that 45* pattern in that shaft. With the other shaft you cut apart, the first layer was NOT at a 45* angle, so you did NOT see the same pattern.
Wow, great info, Don! Makes a lot of sense. Sadly, I was hoping for something really revealing on the inside, but it sounds like everything looked pretty standard.
Adding 20 yards doesn't change your game ? Really ? Club head manufactures for years have been telling us that we going to hit it farther, faster etc with little no evidence that's it's happening but when we get a product, in this case a shaft that test over test has givin golfers more yardage and straighter shots and you're confused ? And it's not a measly 4 yards, it's 15 to 20 yards which is huge. You're also hitting it straighter so now you're in theory hitting more fairways, more greens and with less club. Not sure where the confusing part is. Get it on your driver head and start enjoying the new found distance and accuracy
All very true! For me, this could be the game changer I’ve been looking for. Possibly more greens in regulation. I’m more confused that can it possibly be true? Is there something else happening. Am I so hopeful that it’ll work, that I’m doing something subconsciously and it’s not really the shaft. I feel like I’ve given it a honest shake and I’m going to keep trying it and experimenting. But considering all the gimmicks I’ve tried over the years that have ultimately underwhelmed me, is something this simple really effective? And if so, why haven’t any engineers at the numerous shaft companies released something like this already? That’s really my confusion
I swing a lot faster than you (110~) so I have the SF505X - but had the same result. I have the autoflex shaft for both my driver (normal Mavrik set to 10*) and 3 wood model (Mavrik Max 13) and have made 10-20 yards extra distance with my normal swing, straighter, and higher of the tee. In fact the 3 wood results are even more impressive for me. I think the most impressive thing is that it lets me swing even faster with confidence - so even more improvement above my normal swing too.
I hate to say that there is no way you are right about there being no new tech in that shaft. I have hit every flex shaft with the attempt to control it. I play an x-stiff in game. I gain speed with a regular flex but the dispersion is absolutely insane. I have autoflex and this just isn't the case when it is paired with the correct weighted head. Once this became evident to be a mandatory factor, I tried playing a light head on some stiff and regular flex shafts and still the dispersion was not even close to that is the autoflex. There is something happening in that shaft that no one else is doing.
So, I do agree with you. Someone also mentioned that maybe it's particularly torque resistant. Not sure how they do that with the thin/light materials but it must resist twisting at a Stiff flex level but flex like a ladies light.
@@petervonpanda it feels to me to have the torque of Velocore in a softer shaft. The only reason we play a stiffer shaft is to reduce lead deflection and get the face square back to address to control dispersion and launch. If this can be done with a shaft that is allowed to flex, it really trumps the use of stiffness because we know it will always be faster. Its pretty interesting.
With your club head speed being what it is, I'm surprised that you are playing an R flex shaft. Looking at your swing and your head speed numbers, I'm thinking you would be a good fit for a ladies flex. My wife swings her driver at 75-78 MPH and she's doing fine with the L flex shaft in her driver. If she gets up to 80 I'm thinking of building her a driver with an A flex shaft just to see if it would work any better.
I would've totally agreed with you about a year ago. I tried a variety of L flex shafts. I even bought an LL (Ladies Light) shaft and tried that for a while. I'm not sure why they didn't help, but none of them gave me more of anything, speed/distance/accuracy. I expected maybe some more distance and trading off accuracy. I suspect that part of it might be that I cut my shafts down quite a bit and maybe end up changing the characteristics. That's why I was pretty skeptical of the Autoflex... I figured it was like the Ladies Light shaft I tried (which was really flexible), but seemed to work.
@@petervonpanda Going by what you just posted, you didn't LOSE anything either using an L flex shaft. So my question would be why use an R flex shaft In your test with the AutoFlex shaft, you got the SAME performance with all the other shafts you tried, L flex and up. And since most all L flex shafts are lighter than an R flex, maybe you could try a light weight L flex shaft again and compare it to the HIGH dollar Autoflex shaft again.
I am, Newman! I played it yesterday! I actually ordered a Mitsubishi Grand Bassara (which is even lighter) and plan to test them head to head to see if the whippiness or the lightness is better.
Interesting, Bill. I didn't notice that but it makes sense if it's getting more speed at the tip. I was thinking about the "crack" that you get with a whip or a rolled towel. I wonder if the really flexible end mimics that kind of effect on a very small scale.
When look in the mirror I have the same build. Same stats on a simulation. This is the most important review for this product. Thanks.
Glad I could help. As a recreational golfer, it’s hard to tell what will work for me without just trying it!
@@petervonpanda You mentioned high toe hit.
I believe TXG determined lighter swing weights produce better results with autoflex. Even lighter than D2.
A head too heavy with autoflex will produce more shaft droop. Causing high toe hits.
I have also cut my driver shaft down 3 inches.
Thanks for the vid can't believe my eyes so I looked at other vlogs as well most of them have good results. How long is your driver?
Hey 👋 Im just happy with my Autoflexshaft 505 with an average of 98 mph CHS and it gives me additional 3-4 mph compared to a stiff or regular flex shaft. I wonder if the more flexible and lighter 405 would even have a greater impact on CHS like 6-8mph with a average speed of 94-95mph. Do you have any info on that? I have no chance to get a hand on a 405 or fitter near my place who’s selling Autoflexshafts.
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I have a slow swing speed and not a long hitter like you. Have you tried Alta Distanza shaft? i currently using this shaft and it helps me to increase my distance round 10 yards. Not sure is this Auto Flex will give me further improvements.
I was so hoping you weren’t going to cut this thing up! I broke my first one after only 15 swings, it actually broke in 3 places! They made it up to me,no questions asked! Loving the new one, got 3 rounds on it now!
That's good to know they stand by it, Brandon. It's so flexible, I do worry about breaking it, but mine has held up so far.
@@petervonpanda
Mine was a 505 and I swing around 95 with a quick tempo. Great comparison video by the way!
I have ordered and received SF505X last Nov.17. 2020 I play on the golf course 2 times so far and I hit an avg. 270~280 with my Taylormade M5 9* I really want to try this on the new Ping G425 Max 9* I waiting on the Ping G425 Max
I wouldnt recommend this at all. G425 heads are typically heavier than other brands. People that has tested this combination didn't have a good result. FYI
You mentioned high toe hit.
I believe TXG determined lighter swing weights produce better results with autoflex. Even lighter than D2.
A head too heavy with autoflex will produce more shaft droop. Causing high toe hits.
I have also cut my driver shaft down 3 inches.
Interesting. I’ll try reducing the weight and see if it gets better. Makes sense about the toe hit. Makes sense that this shaft droops more than other graphite shafts
Did any of you had to change the weight of the head to ensure the swing weight stays at D1? I have not had any success with the shaft as the ball is all over the place. I am a 11 HC.
Thanks. I am a year late into this. Your cut out solve some mystery. I roughly know what makes it expensive. It’s not as simple as you said thinner. How to twirl the carbon yarns and weave variable strength out a fixed length is what they know best. Not the usual carbon sheet wrapped rounds and rounds of times onto a mold and do the impregnation and vacuum bagging method.
Have you tried a “normal” lightweight shaft like a Ping Alta Distanza (40g)? Maybe get similar results for a lot less.
You're thinking exactly like I was, Joe! I actually tried it against a Grand Bassara. ua-cam.com/video/TWIsT6eZZ1Y/v-deo.html
Hi, I play to a 6 handicap and my high end swing speed is 110mph. I bought one of the sf505 at D1 and I’ve seen great results on my titleist TSi3. I definitely have seen better control and about 15-20 yards distance. Obviously not cheap, but the results have me no longer looking for that one shaft to rule them all!
Same for me. hcap of 4.2 index. SS if 108mph. Ping G410 head. 20yards longer than my old shaft.
That is crazy. I played tonight and averaged 18 yards further than my old shaft. I’m still stunned. But also feel like I’m going to break the shaft eventually. But so far, it still works
@@petervonpanda is the 18y on a launch monitor or actual course conditions?
I do have friends who found it does nothing for them at all.
But for me, it works!
The numbers were gathered on a launch monitor tonight. I also got a day in at the outdoor range last week and I saw more distance than before hitting over a rise that I usually can’t reach. However, I don’t have a good way of measuring it. It’s also w range balls which I tend to hit a little worse. My real world concern is also with golf balls. I wonder if the balls that worked best with my previous setup are now suboptimal.
How did you get it down to D1? I can’t get it below D4 unless I start trimming or putting butt weights on. Not trying to do that. Currently playing at 45.75”
Shorter shafts and shorter guy isn't the issue, you have zero wrist hinge. Your wrists are so tight, you have zero lag. Lag equals speed and distance. I HIGHLY recommend Paul Wilson's youtube channel. Loosen up those wrists!!!!
Thanks for the tip! I’ll check out his channel!
@@petervonpanda would love for you to make a video showing your progress! Where are you located?
I think all manufacturers should fit some adjustable weights in the club so that the club can be made lighter for slower swing speed players especially but also just swing-weighting. This would make more shafts viable and easier to swing.
I have the 505 shaft. Unfortunately, the lockdown has stopped me practising with it properly yet, but if I get your results in terms of extra distance I will be very happy.
It definitely takes a little while to get used to it. And I had to play several more rounds after practicing to get my best results - but I am a believer now
@@petervonpanda Great. I get that impression. It seems to be a new way of swinging the club, but it certainly seems to work. The few times I used it I was gaining distance, but it felt strange, that’s the only way I can describe it.
Is that simulator your home set up?
I have the AF in both driver and 3 wood. It works. Also tighter dispersion. I’m in places in the winter cold weather, wind that I’m in during summer, hot weather. Also much straighter. I swing about 108 on smooth and 112-114 when I go after it. I’m about 15-20 yards longer. Same with 3 wood. I’m playing the SF505X.
In one part of the video you say that these are the numbers and then the AF numbers pop up and you say it’s between your head and heart. Numbers are numbers.
True. No, it’s not my simulator. Numbers are numbers and I’m glad that it bears out in data, because I would otherwise say that it probably feel like it’s working without proof. It’s hard to believe that it makes that much difference. Especially when I’ve tried so many things that don’t show any improvement by the numbers.
Ok,you basically dont have any release and a classic flying elbow.Forget the shafts spend some money with a pro.Also for what it's worth the auto flex has better torque resistance ,so the offset center of mass in the head does not open or close the face at impact as much as the others.
My compliments though on your approach to your endeavor.
Wow that’s wild Peter, I’m in the mid to high 90’s with swing speed. Wonder how I would fair with it.
I'm stunned. I'm trying to figure out if it's really possible that it's delivering or if I'm missing something that's biasing it. I don't swing fast, and I'm guessing the SF305 would've been a more appropriate shaft, but I'm planning on playing a lot more with it to see how it goes. If you're in Chicago, you're welcome to try mine!
@@petervonpanda Thank you for that! Sadly I’m a world away in Portland, OR. Definitely interested in a follow up after you have played more rounds. Currently I play the VG3 driver from Japan as they are quite audible second hand. Very nice but similar to all other top end drivers results wise. However I did buy an Edel EAS 4.0 just today based on your recommendation so excited to try it. Thanks again!
Oh man, John, I think you're going to like that Edel. Definitely a splurge, but it's great. I've discovered more ingenious details about it now that I've played it all summer.
What length do you play your driver at? When you mentioned one length, you mean you play every club one length, not just irons?
Yep, I play everything one length. My driver isn't exactly the same length as everything else, but it's close at 40 inches.
This is in reply to your view of the inside of the Autoflex shaft and why you are seeing lines that run at an angle to the shaft. This is quite NORMAL in ALL graphite shafts, It has to do with the weave of the graphite cloth used to made the shaft, Each layer of graphite is cut in a way that the grain of the cloth runs in different directions, as the direction of the grain determines how that layer will effect the flex and torque of the shaft. When the grain runs from tip to butt, that layer MOASTLY effects the FLEX of the shaft. When the grain runs AROUND the shaft, that layer MOSTLY effects the TORQUE of the shaft. Layers that are at a 45 or 30 degree angle to the length of the shaft effect BOTH. This is why most top end shafts have 20 to 30 layers of graphite cloth, each layer with the grain aligned in a way to get what the shaft designed wants to get from the end product. In the case of the AutoFlex shaft, my bet is that the FIRST layer of cloth had the weave running at a 45* angle to the shaft, and that's why you SEE that 45* pattern in that shaft. With the other shaft you cut apart, the first layer was NOT at a 45* angle, so you did NOT see the same pattern.
Wow, great info, Don! Makes a lot of sense. Sadly, I was hoping for something really revealing on the inside, but it sounds like everything looked pretty standard.
Adding 20 yards doesn't change your game ? Really ? Club head manufactures for years have been telling us that we going to hit it farther, faster etc with little no evidence that's it's happening but when we get a product, in this case a shaft that test over test has givin golfers more yardage and straighter shots and you're confused ? And it's not a measly 4 yards, it's 15 to 20 yards which is huge. You're also hitting it straighter so now you're in theory hitting more fairways, more greens and with less club. Not sure where the confusing part is. Get it on your driver head and start enjoying the new found distance and accuracy
All very true! For me, this could be the game changer I’ve been looking for. Possibly more greens in regulation. I’m more confused that can it possibly be true? Is there something else happening. Am I so hopeful that it’ll work, that I’m doing something subconsciously and it’s not really the shaft. I feel like I’ve given it a honest shake and I’m going to keep trying it and experimenting. But considering all the gimmicks I’ve tried over the years that have ultimately underwhelmed me, is something this simple really effective? And if so, why haven’t any engineers at the numerous shaft companies released something like this already? That’s really my confusion
I swing a lot faster than you (110~) so I have the SF505X - but had the same result. I have the autoflex shaft for both my driver (normal Mavrik set to 10*) and 3 wood model (Mavrik Max 13) and have made 10-20 yards extra distance with my normal swing, straighter, and higher of the tee. In fact the 3 wood results are even more impressive for me. I think the most impressive thing is that it lets me swing even faster with confidence - so even more improvement above my normal swing too.
In % terms that is a big gain
I will absolutely play with this shaft!
I hate to say that there is no way you are right about there being no new tech in that shaft. I have hit every flex shaft with the attempt to control it. I play an x-stiff in game. I gain speed with a regular flex but the dispersion is absolutely insane. I have autoflex and this just isn't the case when it is paired with the correct weighted head. Once this became evident to be a mandatory factor, I tried playing a light head on some stiff and regular flex shafts and still the dispersion was not even close to that is the autoflex. There is something happening in that shaft that no one else is doing.
So, I do agree with you. Someone also mentioned that maybe it's particularly torque resistant. Not sure how they do that with the thin/light materials but it must resist twisting at a Stiff flex level but flex like a ladies light.
@@petervonpanda it feels to me to have the torque of Velocore in a softer shaft. The only reason we play a stiffer shaft is to reduce lead deflection and get the face square back to address to control dispersion and launch. If this can be done with a shaft that is allowed to flex, it really trumps the use of stiffness because we know it will always be faster. Its pretty interesting.
Great video
Can't wait for a cheaper version of this next year from other OEM's 😄👍🏼
You and me both! I'd love to have it on my hybrids!
With your club head speed being what it is, I'm surprised that you are playing an R flex shaft. Looking at your swing and your head speed numbers, I'm thinking you would be a good fit for a ladies flex. My wife swings her driver at 75-78 MPH and she's doing fine with the L flex shaft in her driver. If she gets up to 80 I'm thinking of building her a driver with an A flex shaft just to see if it would work any better.
I would've totally agreed with you about a year ago. I tried a variety of L flex shafts. I even bought an LL (Ladies Light) shaft and tried that for a while. I'm not sure why they didn't help, but none of them gave me more of anything, speed/distance/accuracy. I expected maybe some more distance and trading off accuracy. I suspect that part of it might be that I cut my shafts down quite a bit and maybe end up changing the characteristics. That's why I was pretty skeptical of the Autoflex... I figured it was like the Ladies Light shaft I tried (which was really flexible), but seemed to work.
@@petervonpanda Going by what you just posted, you didn't LOSE anything either using an L flex shaft. So my question would be why use an R flex shaft In your test with the AutoFlex shaft, you got the SAME performance with all the other shafts you tried, L flex and up. And since most all L flex shafts are lighter than an R flex, maybe you could try a light weight L flex shaft again and compare it to the HIGH dollar Autoflex shaft again.
Peter, are you still playing the autoflex today?
I am, Newman! I played it yesterday! I actually ordered a Mitsubishi Grand Bassara (which is even lighter) and plan to test them head to head to see if the whippiness or the lightness is better.
Great video! thanks!
You bet!
Dude, you ought to have worked with a fitter to optimise it for you. One length on this shaft may not have been the best call!
The manufacturer Dumina Co. has the English website at www.autoflexshaft.com for worldwide FedEx delivery (3-6 days)
thank you
A fit at a good fitting center would have saved you hundreds for the same or better results.
Hey, if you ever get the urge to carve up another 405, just mail it to me instead. LOL
You want to carve it up too? ;)
@@petervonpanda no, I want to use it! LOL
what the heck, you actually cut it open. or is that the 5 inches you took off from the beginning?
Good eye, Mike! The cut was the 5 inches that I trimmed off.
@@petervonpanda anything in the tip, did you stick a rod down it to check? Clear all the way down?
who cares how it works or what it is made of.... as long as it works....
nice job.
Thanks!
I thought I could hear more whoosh with the Autoflex shaft swings
Interesting, Bill. I didn't notice that but it makes sense if it's getting more speed at the tip. I was thinking about the "crack" that you get with a whip or a rolled towel. I wonder if the really flexible end mimics that kind of effect on a very small scale.
@@petervonpanda Not sure, but I went and watched the “swing” part twice before seeing the results and based on sound knew The Autoflex would be faster
matti boy was right!
He’s been right a lot lately, Mark!!
Cool video
Thanks, Jim!
You say you want extra distance, yet you cut 5 inches off your driver shaft...
Maybe don't cut it.
wow, cutting an $800 shaft in half is over the top.
cost $10 to make it
Fix the audio sync i cannot watch this with the stupid dubbing so far out
Can not get a good sense with the casting swing